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#1925934 - 04/12/08 01:02 PM Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s
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Finally tried out an Orange Tiny Terror the other night, through an Orange closed-back 2x12 loaded with Celestion Vintage 30s; played a G&L A.S.A.T. (Tele-Custom style, with a humbucker at the neck position).

In short, what a killer amp!

With that particular guitar, I soon found the favorable control-settings to have the power-selector set to 7 watts, the Master-Volume absolutely fully dimed (I kinda wondered why they even included the Master Volume, they could've cut cost by only having one Volume and the Tone), the Tone at about 8:00 (very, very low, nearly all the way off), and the Gain up to about 2:00. This allowed me to roll back the guitar's volume for crisp, clean, surpisingly tight and somewhat reasonably loud clean (and I DO mean CLEAN) tones- nice and spanky!- and turn up for more and more overdrive and bite. VERY nice! AC/DC, ZZ Top, Clash, Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, etc. tones spoken fluently here!

Gainier and a little less refined (or a little differently
refined) than my Fuchs Lucky 7. I could DEFINITELY dig owning both amps, though, and they'd probably play very well together simultaneously...

The difference betwwen the 7- and 15-watt settings was very subtle, with just a bit more compression and ever so little more overdrive when set to 7 watts; at 15 watts, there was a slightly tighter low-end and midrange. Far more noticeable a difference to the player than to any audience, I'm sure, and still not much of a difference, realy. A barely perceptible difference in headrom and volume.

I highly, HIGHLY recommend the Orange 2x12 w/ Celestion Vintage 30s to ya, Guitarzan!
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#1926056 - 04/12/08 05:07 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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oh yeah, i have that in my sites for the future. thanks for the GAS.
i am glad you liked the toaster. i am quite happy, i just need lots of pedals now.
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#1926090 - 04/12/08 06:47 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: guitarzan]
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i am sure a real happening set of tubes would push the tone even further. V30's are my choice of celestions and i think a 2x12 is as big as i would go. i have no desire to drag a 4x12 anywhere any more.
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#1926123 - 04/12/08 08:58 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: guitarzan]
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How are you liking your Luck 7 Ceav? Have you played it in a band context?
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#1926287 - 04/13/08 09:32 AM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: MILLO]
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 Originally Posted By: guitarzan
oh yeah, i have that in my sites for the future. thanks for the GAS.
i am glad you liked the toaster. i am quite happy, i just need lots of pedals now.


Hey, yer welcome! \:D

That TT sounded so good to me, I hafta ask you- what pedals do you need so bad as to put off playing and hearing that amp in its full glory, through a speaker-cab that'll do it justice? It sure does NOT need any overdrive or distortion pedals right off the bat!

I got GREAT results with the Master full-up, the Gain at about two-o'clock, and the Tone reigned-in to suit the given guitar's pickups (it was quite bright cranked-up). I just rolled the guitar's volume down 'n' up to dial in the amount of biting grind and overdrive. That Orange 2x12 cab with the Celestion Vintage 30s really suited it, with a sound somewhere between a "blackface" 2x12 and a Marshall-y closed-back 4x12... lots of kick 'n' bite, like a furious horse! \:D

If I hadn't already scored such a great deal on that Fuchs Lucky 7 ($700 brand-new with a valid warranty!!), I would now own a toaster of my own. You must be pretty happy with it; get that Orange 2x12 with the Vintage 30s, and you'll be in a state of rapture, 'Zan!!

I did try a very nice Option 5 phase-shifter in front of it, with great results- and some echo mightta been real nice. But all by itself, the TT is pretty kick-@$$!

 Originally Posted By: guitarzan
i am sure a real happening set of tubes would push the tone even further. V30's are my choice of celestions and i think a 2x12 is as big as i would go. i have no desire to drag a 4x12 anywhere any more.


I've read since that others have found real great results with tube-upgrades in their TT's. And I think you'll be PERFECTLY, blissfully happy with that closed-back Orange 2x12.

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How are you liking your Lucky 7 Ceav? Have you played it in a band context?


I have not yet had the time nor opportunity to try it in a band setting, but certainly will sometime this Summer.

I've played it here connected to the stock, onboard speaker in a Carvin 1x12 combo-amp, but that speaker does NOT seem to go very well with the Lucky 7- not after having played it through Orange and Budda cabs with Celestions! \:D

In general, low-notes through the Lucky 7 sound more like a cranked big amp that's been shrink-rayed than a little amp that's raging, like the Tiny Terror; less sag and compression on hard-hit, overdriven low-notes. Due largely, I'm sure, to its heftier transformers and exceedingly rare, possibly unique single EL34 arrangement- as opposed to the T's duet of EL84s. That being said, the TT is voiced with a lot more bass on-tap, and a single tone-control besides its pre-Gain and Master-Volume knobs, whereas the Lucky 7 has much less bass and low-mids overall, with a much leaner voicing and less preamp-gain, and controls for (one) volume, bass, middle, and treble. Both of these amps should be approaced with the master/volume cranked or even dimed (in the case of the Orange T, with the gain between "non" and "three-o'clock", and the master full-up), and the guitar's volume down low at first, "IN MY HUMBLE OPINION"... !! \:D

I really need to get a speaker-cabinet that does it justice; I'd strongly considered that Orange 2x12- SERIOUS bang for the buck, though not exactly cheap- but I think I'll save up for a few weeks here for a matching Fuchs tuned, ported-backed 2x12 loaded with a pair of Celestion G12H30s. (Fuchs carries Celestion G12H30 and 1265 speakers as options, so Mr. Andy Fuchs must feel that these specific models best match his amps and cabs.)

Man, are their (Fuchs') cabs pricey!! But, they are all solid-woods, and they're designed specifically to best match their amps; so, as good as the Orange/Vintage 30 2x12 sounds, I'm gonna wait a bit and bite the bullet and see (and HEAR) how the Fuchs 2x12 goes with the Lucky 7.
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#1926302 - 04/13/08 10:02 AM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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I've had my Tiny Terror for about four months. I find myself bypassing my pedal board and plugging in direct to the amp. I can go from clean to grungy with a twist of a knob. The only thing I add is a bit of 'verb. I love it.

BTW - I you buy one, I highly recommend the Jule Mod.

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#1926311 - 04/13/08 10:28 AM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: 02R96]
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 Originally Posted By: 02R96
I've had my Tiny Terror for about four months. I find myself bypassing my pedal board and plugging in direct to the amp. I can go from clean to grungy with a twist of a knob. The only thing I add is a bit of 'verb. I love it.

BTW - I you buy one, I highly recommend the Jule Mod.

http://www.juleamps.com/


So, 02R96, I take it that you had the "Jule Mod" done to your TT? Give us a run-down on the before-and-after onnitt...

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Musically, the Jule Mod makes the Tiny Terror sound larger and more defined. Notes that were lost in the studio become clearer. The touch of the Tiny Terror after the Jule Mod is also greatly enhanced. Great Guitarists, looking for an amp to show what they have to say, love it. It becomes an amp that is difficult to stop playing.

None of the outstanding overdrive characteristics of the Tiny Terror are diminished in any way. That would be a tragedy. Instead, those overdrive tones become easier for the guitarist to use, and more flexible for the engineer to record.

In the words of a great producer, after playing the Jule Modified Tiny Terror for several days, "It makes a $600 dollar amp sound like a $1200 dollar amp."


Hmmmnn, kinda reminds me very much of my experience comparing the Orange Tiny Terror to my Fuchs Lucky 7... Might be worth it, current cost is listed (as I type this) as being $125 plus $25 shipping... you could spend a lot more than that on a bunch of unsatisfying pedals, easy...

I'd spend for better tubes first, not to mention a happening speaker-cab to suit the TT, and only then consider this mod... The TT does pretty darn well stock 'n' all on its own, through a good cab...
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#1926369 - 04/13/08 12:49 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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the only pedals i want are delay, chorus/flange or maybe a wah.
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#1926371 - 04/13/08 12:52 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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 Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
 Originally Posted By: guitarzan
oh yeah, i have that in my sites for the future. thanks for the GAS.
i am glad you liked the toaster. i am quite happy, i just need lots of pedals now.


Hey, yer welcome! \:D

That TT sounded so good to me, I hafta ask you- what pedals do you need so bad as to put off playing and hearing that amp in its full glory, through a speaker-cab that'll do it justice? It sure does NOT need any overdrive or distortion pedals right off the bat!

I got GREAT results with the Master full-up, the Gain at about two-o'clock, and the Tone reigned-in to suit the given guitar's pickups (it was quite bright cranked-up). I just rolled the guitar's volume down 'n' up to dial in the amount of biting grind and overdrive. That Orange 2x12 cab with the Celestion Vintage 30s really suited it, with a sound somewhere between a "blackface" 2x12 and a Marshall-y closed-back 4x12... lots of kick 'n' bite, like a furious horse! \:D

If I hadn't already scored such a great deal on that Fuchs Lucky 7 ($700 brand-new with a valid warranty!!), I would now own a toaster of my own. You must be pretty happy with it; get that Orange 2x12 with the Vintage 30s, and you'll be in a state of rapture, 'Zan!!

I did try a very nice Option 5 phase-shifter in front of it, with great results- and some echo mightta been real nice. But all by itself, the TT is pretty kick-@$$!

 Originally Posted By: guitarzan
i am sure a real happening set of tubes would push the tone even further. V30's are my choice of celestions and i think a 2x12 is as big as i would go. i have no desire to drag a 4x12 anywhere any more.


I've read since that others have found real great results with tube-upgrades in their TT's. And I think you'll be PERFECTLY, blissfully happy with that closed-back Orange 2x12.

 Originally Posted By: MILLO
How are you liking your Lucky 7 Ceav? Have you played it in a band context?


I have not yet had the time nor opportunity to try it in a band setting, but certainly will sometime this Summer.

I've played it here connected to the stock, onboard speaker in a Carvin 1x12 combo-amp, but that speaker does NOT seem to go very well with the Lucky 7- not after having played it through Orange and Budda cabs with Celestions! \:D

In general, low-notes through the Lucky 7 sound more like a cranked big amp that's been shrink-rayed than a little amp that's raging, like the Tiny Terror; less sag and compression on hard-hit, overdriven low-notes. Due largely, I'm sure, to its heftier transformers and exceedingly rare, possibly unique single EL34 arrangement- as opposed to the T's duet of EL84s. That being said, the TT is voiced with a lot more bass on-tap, and a single tone-control besides its pre-Gain and Master-Volume knobs, whereas the Lucky 7 has less bass overall, with a leaner voicing and less pramp-gain, and controls for (one) volume, bass, middle, and treble. Both of these amps should be approaced with the master/volume cranked or even dimed (in the case of the Orange T, with the gain between "non" and "three-o'clock", and the master full-up), and the guitar's volume down low at first, "IN MY HUMBLE OPINION"... !! \:D

I really need to get a speaker-cabinet that does it justice; I'd strongly considered that Orange 2x12- SERIOUS bang for the buck, though not exactly cheap- but I think I'll save up for a few weeks here for a matching Fuchs tuned, ported-backed 2x12 loaded with a pair of Celestion G12H30s. (Fuchs carries Celestion G12H30 and 1265 speakers as options, so Mr. Andy Fuchs must feel that these specific models best match his amps and cabs.)

Man, are their (Fuchs') cabs pricey!! But, they are all solid-woods, and they're designed specifically to best match their amps; so, as good as the Orange/Vintage 30 2x12 sounds, I'm gonna wait a bit and bite the bullet and see (and HEAR) how the Fuchs 2x12 goes with the Lucky 7.


i run it wide open and dial the gain accordingly. all my cleans are done with the strat's volume.
you are correct on that. it sounds great with the power tubes melting.
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#1926418 - 04/13/08 03:25 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: guitarzan]
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Besides enhancing it's tone, the other thing Jule does is go through the entire amp fixing any assembly concerns, such as skimpy or bad solder joints, sloppy wiring etc. The early ones were made in Korea, with the later versions coming out of China. I asked him if there were any differences between the two, and he thought the quality of assembly was a bit off on the Chinese Models.

Regardless where yours will come from, it's a nice bonus to have an experienced hand go over it.
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#1927689 - 04/15/08 02:30 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: 02R96]
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> B U M P <

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#1927875 - 04/16/08 12:47 AM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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I gotta check one of these out. I know from the Youtube clips the TT is one of the best sounding hard rock amps out there.

I think for recording it would be hard to beat for rock tones.

My only question mark would be using a boost for solos. Of course in a 1 guitar band, granted your drummer and bassist are dynamic you wouldn't need to worry. But in 2 guitar bands I think it would be a tougher task.

I would love to hear an Orange 2/12.

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#1929149 - 04/18/08 04:27 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: Gifthorse]
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 Originally Posted By: Gifthorse
I gotta check one of these out. I know from the Youtube clips the TT is one of the best sounding hard rock amps out there.

I think for recording it would be hard to beat for rock tones.

My only question mark would be using a boost for solos. Of course in a 1 guitar band, granted your drummer and bassist are dynamic you wouldn't need to worry. But in 2 guitar bands I think it would be a tougher task.

I would love to hear an Orange 2/12.

Rock on.


Ya really gotta check one out- and, given the chance, same DEFINITELY goes for the super-cool, uber-bad Fuchs Lucky Seven; love mine, it's a keeper for sure! If I hadn't got one, I'd probably have bought the Orange Tiny Terror already, but the Fuchs is even better (but it aughtta be!)...
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#1929156 - 04/18/08 04:51 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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I haven't had a chance to play thru a TT. But, my Fuchs Lucky 7 is at the store waiting on me! I ordered one about 2 months ago.....cream tolex to match my Fuchs ODS 50 head....

I may have a chance to pick it up tomorrow. I've got a bunch of speaker cabs to play it thru, so I'll try it out thru several and post with my impressions.
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#1929488 - 04/19/08 05:22 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: mdrs]
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 Originally Posted By: mdrs
I haven't had a chance to play thru a TT. But, my Fuchs Lucky 7 is at the store waiting on me! I ordered one about 2 months ago.....cream tolex to match my Fuchs ODS 50 head....


Cool! I'm gonna get a red-Tolex cab, and a red-Tolex head-cabinet and a set of cream knobs, for my Lucky Seven (mine is currently dressed in black, with black knobs). I know it's completely irrelevent to function 'n' tone, but the red looks so good on the Fuchs 'site...

 Originally Posted By: mdrs
I may have a chance to pick it up tomorrow. I've got a bunch of speaker cabs to play it thru, so I'll try it out thru several and post with my impressions.


Please do, I'll look forward to that; if ya can, try it through any Fuchs cabs they may happen to have at the store when you pick it up, too...

I'm almost certain now that I want to pair it with a (Fuchs) tuned/ported-back 2x12-cab with Celestion G12H30s... any opinions or ideas there, Doc? I need input!!
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#1929533 - 04/19/08 07:13 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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 Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
 Originally Posted By: mdrs
I haven't had a chance to play thru a TT. But, my Fuchs Lucky 7 is at the store waiting on me! I ordered one about 2 months ago.....cream tolex to match my Fuchs ODS 50 head....


Cool! I'm gonna get a red-Tolex cab, and a red-Tolex head-cabinet and a set of cream knobs, for my Lucky Seven (mine is currently dressed in black, with black knobs). I know it's completely irrelevent to function 'n' tone, but the red looks so good on the Fuchs 'site...

 Originally Posted By: mdrs
I may have a chance to pick it up tomorrow. I've got a bunch of speaker cabs to play it thru, so I'll try it out thru several and post with my impressions.


Please do, I'll look forward to that; if ya can, try it through any Fuchs cabs they may happen to have at the store when you pick it up, too...

I'm almost certain now that I want to pair it with a (Fuchs) tuned/ported-back 2x12-cab with Celestion G12H30s... any opinions or ideas there, Doc? I need input!!


great now i have 2x12 gas.
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#1929537 - 04/19/08 07:21 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: guitarzan]
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 Originally Posted By: guitarzan
great now i have 2x12 gas.


Get that Orange 2x12 with Celestion Vintage 30s innit, 'Zan! You'll love it with your Toaster and your Strat!
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#1929540 - 04/19/08 07:34 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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i am a V30 fan, my former Yamaha Dg100 had a set and it was nad rattlin.
that orange cab with v30's should give me a bit of a boost in vol and bottom.
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#1929667 - 04/20/08 09:48 AM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: guitarzan]
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I'm tellin' ya, if it plays with your Strat's single-coils anything like the way it did with that G&L (Tele-stylee) A.S.A.T.'s bridge-pickup, it'll be clang-ariffic!
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#1929732 - 04/20/08 02:22 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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clangerously good i suppose
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#1930653 - 04/22/08 08:56 AM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: 02R96]
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im going to get the Jules mod myself. i love the amp but it doesnt do anything that my goblin cant so i dont know if i can justify keeping it. im hoping the Jules mod will make it more versatile.
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#1930823 - 04/22/08 03:50 PM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: dead mike]
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Hey Caev, do you know if the TT cathode or fixed bias?
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#1950386 - 05/30/08 06:36 AM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: Zephyr]
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Mike, that is too cool, having a Reverend Goblin AND a TT! You wind up doing those mods yet?

Maybe they'd be cool together for a stereo/closed-back & open-back cab combination...

 Originally Posted By: Zephyr
Hey Caev, do you know if the TT cathode or fixed bias?


Hey, Zephyr- sorry I took so long in replying to ya here, I didn't see this till I was just searching for something else...

The TT is cathode-biased; apparently, some people have been modding them by swapping the cathode-resistors to extend the useful life of the output-tubes, and adding components that change the bias when switching from full-power 15-watt mode to half-power 7-watt.
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#1950400 - 05/30/08 07:21 AM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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You Orange afficonados...the TT is one sweet little amp, but does anyone have an opinon on the Orange Rocker 30?

I was recenty looking at some Organe amps online...and the Rocker 30 really looks like something I could go for...since I favor EL34 tones.

What's also intersting...looking at this website:

http://www.humbuckermusic.com/orange.html

...the Rocker 30 head sells for $1369...and the Rocker 30 112 Combo for only $1399!
Not a bad deal...for $30 more, you get a combo (if you need a combo).
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#1950895 - 05/31/08 07:40 AM Re: Orange Tiny Terror & 2x12 w/ Vintage 30s [Re: miroslav]
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I'll make a point of trying out the Rocker 30 next time I'm in that shop (they're well-stocked with loads of Orange and Budda amps and cabs); but, I've been avoiding going there, 'cause I always seem to walk out having just purchased a pricey pedal or something, even on my lunch-break from work... !! \:D
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~Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite~
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