#1925930 - 04/12/08 12:45 PM
I have an RD700GX and you don't
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#1925937 - 04/12/08 01:11 PM
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But I have Korg Polysix and you don't.
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#1925942 - 04/12/08 01:18 PM
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I snuck one out of NAMM (shhhh!) but was keeping it under wraps. Busch helped me. 
Cool bragging rights, Busch! Let us know how you like it. I'm sure you're in heaven with that Ivory feel action.
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#1925947 - 04/12/08 01:22 PM
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And the modelling behind the ARX-02 sounds works how?
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#1925955 - 04/12/08 01:30 PM
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I got a whole lotta of nothing and nuttin's alright with me!
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#1925988 - 04/12/08 02:11 PM
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Congrats... C'mon Busch; give us the report on the Rhodes sounds. 
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#1926157 - 04/13/08 12:43 AM
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Would be curious to play the GX next to the CP300.
I've been playing almost all acoustic this whole year..I think I've played my P120 3x and S90 once or twice, but now I might have a couple steady blowing trio/quartet gigs where I need the keyboard thing. Tonight I played the the P120 and it just wasn't doing it for me anymore. I think part of the reason was not being used to playing a digital piano, the acoustics of the room didn't help either.
Hopefully, the Roland will be in W. LA Music soon so I can compare side by side.
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#1926161 - 04/13/08 01:34 AM
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I got a Yamaha PSR and you don't.
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#1926168 - 04/13/08 02:25 AM
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So how's the 'supernatural' piano sound, say, compared to the 700SX/FP's? I understand the action is much better.
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#1926176 - 04/13/08 03:58 AM
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No problem... I predict that you will sell it next week.
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#1926327 - 04/13/08 10:55 AM
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So how's the 'supernatural' piano sound, say, compared to the 700SX/FP's? I understand the action is much better.
I WANT TO KNOW TOO!
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#1926460 - 04/13/08 05:09 PM
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I've only been able to play it for a few hours. Hopefully in the next day or two I'll be able to go through it thoroughly.
First the SuperNatural EPs really ARE something new. There is absolutely NO velocity or tonal jumps as the tone goes from ppp/mellow to full bark. It responds in a completely predictable manner to your touch. The technology appears to be blending sampling with physical modeling, so unlike pure physical modeling the tone is accurate. But it retains the positive aspects of modeling including the ability to change tone and playing aspects as well as no velocity tone/volume issues. I know of nothing like it. The only thing close might be Digidesign's Velvet.
The new Expressive Grand (Hamburg Steinway) is pretty great as well. Like the SN EPs I can detect NO tonal/velocity jumps. Remarkable given the range of the piano. With the other two 88-note ac pianos you can detect jumps. For the most part they're tolerable, but I think the goal would be to get the Expressive Grand to your liking EQ-wise as it will be the best piano from a performance perspective. The upper three octaves on the Expressive Grand are very cool as you can quite easily make them pop dynamically.
Much more...
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#1926464 - 04/13/08 05:18 PM
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BB, nice opener and its great the Expressive Grand and SuprNat'l EP's are large improvements
I don't have any word on my GX order as of last week. Great work on your early acquisition
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#1926480 - 04/13/08 05:53 PM
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The technology appears to be blending sampling with physical modeling, so unlike pure physical modeling the tone is accurate.
http://emusician.com/futuretech/goes_around
According to the article above, SuperNATURAL appears to be a combination of samples and Additive Synthesis called "Structured Adaptive Synthesis".
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#1926483 - 04/13/08 05:54 PM
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Excuse me, I have a little, um, GAS!
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#1926521 - 04/13/08 07:32 PM
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rut row... I might have to find the Rd700GX and a Kurz PC3x for comparison.... I am partial to Rolands since they are simple to master.
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#1926547 - 04/13/08 08:21 PM
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B,
Did Roland finally include some decent Wurly sounds?
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#1926550 - 04/13/08 08:36 PM
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Time to start an angry letter campaign to make them release the 'SuperNatural' FP's. 
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#1926559 - 04/13/08 09:07 PM
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The technology appears to be blending sampling with physical modeling, so unlike pure physical modeling the tone is accurate. According to the article above, SuperNATURAL appears to be a combination of samples and Additive Synthesis called "Structured Adaptive Synthesis".
So it's similar to what Kawai have been doing with the acoustic pianos in their MP series?
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#1926573 - 04/13/08 10:26 PM
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SA Synthesis really?
Roland invented this way back in the RD-1000 / MKS-20 days.
The claim used to be that it was resynthesis using samples as models. I don't know if it is the same now, but one of the reasons MKS-20s were prized for so many years was the absolutely great response of the pianos to midi velocity, with no loop sounds and no velocity jumps at all.
It's intriquing that they seem to have modernized it. Cool!
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#1926760 - 04/14/08 08:24 AM
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That is also what they do on V-Drums. In the early days they never mentioned the samples and indicated it was all modeled. Then they had a lawsuit over someone sampling a V-Drum set and revealed that the V-Drum sounds are really ROMpler based. They really got hit with a backlash from V-Drum users over that revealing court case.
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#1927283 - 04/14/08 09:17 PM
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In that SAS article, reference is made to violins and brass... I wonder what he was talking about there? New ARX boards perhaps?
I had the MKS and RD back in the 80s and 90s... great boards for their time.. I tried the MKS recently and it was really expressive though not as impressive to my ears these days...
I just got my Promega back and know that they also use samples as models then apply sophisticated filtering and synthesise the percussive part... if you hear the raw sample (I guesss if you turn the filter up its the raw sample?) the piano sound is really nothing to write home about (think M1 House piano).. but the way the DRAKE manipulates that sample is what its all about... still... I reckon theres room for improvement... with the GEM sample ROM being something like 30-50MB shared between all kinds of other sounds, it will be interesting to hear Rolands 256MB set in the GX.
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#1927286 - 04/14/08 09:33 PM
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Are you suggesting that the interface is so intuitive that it does not matter if you ....er .... mislay a few pages, or that the manual is so bad that it makes no difference if you do?
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#1927299 - 04/15/08 12:08 AM
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I am pushing for a G8 to replace the aged Kurzweil PC88mx that I used to play at my church. We are getting a tight band together and the G8 makes great sense for the smooth setup transitions.
(Will not have to haul my keys to church if we get the new keyboard)
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Are you trying to gain our respect or our disdain William.. 
You know, like the beta OS PC3x you've been playing around with of late. 
