#1922131 - 04/05/08 02:29 AM
Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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TimR
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Has anyone used one of these?
http://www.warwickbass.com/amps/amps07.htm#211
Any opinions? Looks like a good priced cabinet to me.
Thanks,
Tim
Edited by TimR (04/05/08 02:31 AM)
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#1942577 - 05/15/08 12:31 PM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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TimR
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Obviously not!
Anyway I tried one out in the shop and liked it so much I bought one. (For my birthday, thanks everyone for your well wishes  )
Gave it a first run at a practice last night.
My original plan was to see how it fits as an extension speaker to my Trace Elliot combo. However I am getting quite a lot of very noticeable frequency masking when running both the 1x15 and the 2x10 together. On their own both the Trace and the Warwick cabs sound phenomenal, but together they are just not cutting it. The volume is there, but it just sounds strange.
I'm going to check that the Trace and the Warwick speakers are in phase tommorow, stranger things have been known but it looks like it might be plan B (which was really my plan A all along, honest guv). Sell the Trace, buy a head and another Warwick 2x10. Shame really because the Trace is excellent, just to bulky to be practical anymore.
Unfortunately the compact heads thread has become somewhat derailed, as I was hoping for some serious, informative comments there.
Another great blog thread bought to you by that lonely Brit TimR 
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#1942640 - 05/15/08 02:26 PM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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I've tried it like I said on your thread...
Great value for money cab, and way better than any 1x15 from warwick, I can see two of them working really well. I do like Warwick stuff...their amps and cabs seem to be very reliable with a great modern sound and they don't burn your wallet...we can't say that about their basses thought. I'd try to find a tubepath head if weight is not an issue... http://www.warwickbass.com/amps/tubepath5-1.htm
Or if you want you can try my MB and see how it works for you...I'd lend it to you to try at a reharsal.
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#1942703 - 05/15/08 04:16 PM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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I tried a used one at a GC. Not bad but I found it a little lacking in the low frequency range.
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#1942729 - 05/15/08 05:18 PM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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Sorry - missed this thread when you first posted it TimR.
I have two WCA 211 Pro cabs.
They're great - one for small gigs and rehearsals with my Pro FET 5.1 head (or just my NC210 combo), and both of them together brings the load down to 4 ohms and it makes a great quad!
I find the lows to be abundant - even when my head is flat (which it mostly is). I play a 4 string however, and can't report on how this cab sounds with a fiver.
You can stack the two 211 Pro cabs vertically together also. They make a great pair!
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#1942809 - 05/16/08 01:38 AM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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Does the profet 5.1 have enough headroom to fully drive two cabs? I still love the sound the new cab makes from the Trace amp so might try to get an old used AH from somewhere, or the Mark Bass or, maybe the Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0.
Man I feel like a kid in a sweetshop!
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#1942811 - 05/16/08 01:50 AM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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Is the weight an issue Tim?
When comes to weight of a head that's a big issue for me, not so much on the cabs, because I tend to hire a cab wherever i'm playing. Or take mine on my car if i'm driving.
I know Davo has been looking at some light weight amps as well...I hope he steps in and give his opinion...you have two comparisons my MB and Phil's Acoustic Image.
The Little Mark II is bigger but cheaper and it's an A/B amp. You may want to try the new ashdown series http://www.ashdownmusic.com/bass/detail.asp?section=labs&ID=211 they also have a 1000w version of that head. I believe Stuart Clayton was reviewing it for bass Guitar Magazine. That will give you the more vintage tone you like...(I assume)
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#1942834 - 05/16/08 04:04 AM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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Does the profet 5.1 have enough headroom to fully drive two cabs?
Yeah - sure - sounds great. The Pro FET 5.1 can really make two WCA 211 Pro cabs kick it out! Works very nicely with a WCA 411 Pro cab too - haven't tried the Warwick 15" cab though.
The gain is pretty conservative. You do need to push it a little - Warwick techs have stated that it's normal operations to configure the gain so you do see the clip LED flicking on regularly.
Many people were afraid of this, and did not drive the gain as hard as required, and therefore complained about the volume of the Pro FET series heads.
Additionally, Warwick say the Master volume is configured to allow a broad range of useable volumes across the Master volume pot instead of having almost all of the useable volume at 12 o'clock as many other heads do.
As a result of this many users feel the Pro FET heads aren't as loud as "Brand X", because with each head's volume set at 12 o'clock, the Warwick is not as loud. They do not realise that "Brand X" may run out of puff at 12 o'clock and not provide much more clean volume whereas the Warwick Pro FET can go much further and provide more useable volume increase after 12 o'clock without audible distortion or degradation of sound quality.
I can confirm you can drive the gain and Master volume very hard on a Pro FET 5.1 before any audible clipping becomes present.
Due to the lack of understanding of many users and complaints about volume compared to "Brand X", Warwick have now revised the gain structure on some of their amps including the Pro FET series so the clip LED comes on a little later, and the taper of the volume pot has been modified so that useable volume is present earlier in the master volume sweep (to conform to the way most other manufacturers set up their volume knobs).
So - the Warwick Pro FET 5.1 and revised Pro FET 5.2 are both 500w heads (at 4ohms) and produce the same volume, but the 5.2 will do it with less "apparent" gain and earlier in the Master Volume sweep.
.....additionally, the on board compressor has said to have been improved in the Pro FET 5.2 also.
Before I bought my Pro FET 5.1 I A+B'ed it extensively next to a Mark Bass LMII through a WCA 411 Pro cab.
The LMII is a lovely sounding head , but apart from size and weight it didn't bring anything to the table that I could use over the Pro FET and cost much much more (actually - it even lacks a mute button which the Pro FET has - a feature that I consider essential).
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#1942837 - 05/16/08 04:12 AM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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Have you tried reversing the phase on one of the cabs yet?
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#1942848 - 05/16/08 05:40 AM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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I checked the phasing with a 9v battery and everything is OK there. I didn't expect them to sound brilliant together, just thought I might get lucky. The second 211 looks like a way to go.
Weight of the amp is not a real issue, the Trace combo is just a little to bulky for the weight it is 24" high and 35kgs (77lbs) which just makes it awkward for stairs and narrow hallways. The Warwick cab is 25kgs (55lbs) which makes it practical to carry one handed.
Having the amp separate from the cab will make the most difference and is my main aim.
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#1943417 - 05/17/08 10:03 AM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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Have you tried reversing the phase on one of the cabs yet?
G.
This what I was going to suggest - it bit me once and was quite painful. Sorry this wasn't the problem - it's an easy fix!
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#1947536 - 05/25/08 12:26 PM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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TimR
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Thank you Luke.
I now have one Profet 5.1S in my possesion. S comes with the wooden carpet covered sleeve.
What an awesome sound.
http://www.warwickbass.com/amps/profet_5_1.htm
Edited by TimR (05/25/08 12:28 PM)
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#1947678 - 05/25/08 04:40 PM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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Great to hear you like it TimR.
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#1947859 - 05/26/08 06:58 AM
Re: Warwick WCA211 2x10 Cab
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Can we have some sound clips?
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