#1915620 - 03/24/08 06:09 PM
Re: My first attempt at a multi track track..
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#1915622 - 03/24/08 06:10 PM
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Sounds great Trucks!! is that the new drum program your using on that?
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#1915641 - 03/24/08 06:34 PM
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cool, fun isn't it? what are you using for tracking? i need to get off my arse and get productive.
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#1915669 - 03/24/08 07:05 PM
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Some nice stuff going on there! Keep it up!
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#1915689 - 03/24/08 07:46 PM
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Cool jams trucks!
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#1915766 - 03/25/08 01:55 AM
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Nice!
I think the shifts are the coolest thing about it, gives it a jazzy kinda vibe.
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#1915777 - 03/25/08 02:57 AM
Re: My first attempt at a multi track track..
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cool, fun isn't it? what are you using for tracking? i need to get off my arse and get productive.
Reaper, but it is a bit clunky for more than a few tracks I found.
I need to get a H/W interface that comes with something liek pro tools.
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#1915794 - 03/25/08 04:55 AM
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Well, you might consider one of the hardware contollers. I've got the Mackie, but I understand that the Behringer is quite useful, and quite a bit cheaper.
Also, once you have decided that a particular effect and eq combo belongs in a track, you can render that track to a file, and replace the track with the new already effected file, thereby not asking your machine to recompute the same real-time effect sequence each time that you play the song. That will free up a bunch of resources, and open up more tracks. It is the DAW equivalent to the old style track 'bounce' (or "collapse" as they termed it in England..) that we used to have to do with reel to reel in order to free up more tape tracks for more parts.
Also, I've heard a lot of good things from people who use Reaper in terms of sound and ease of use, but from some tech guys who dig a little deeper, they say that it wastes resources and leaks resources, so it is -possible- that some other app might provide you with more efficent performance. Not sure though, as I have not used Reaper, myself.
(You might look at SAWStudio, which has several different price points based around user needs. This program has an on-screen mixer that is as responsive as a real mixer, and the program is both fixed-point and written in assembly language (making it small, tight, efficient, and fast). The author uses his own program to run multichannel stage shows in the casinos in Vegas where he lives. It does less than most other apps on a dollar for dollar basis, but what it does, it does very well, and it is rock solid, no crashes.)
And a word about hardware mixers.... I have found that the multiple trips through cheap digital converters required to go out to external devices like mixers degrades the sound significantly; and also the addition of electronic noise and hiss from consoles and cheap effects introduced to the sound file has quite an impact on stereo spread, soundfield depth, and the overall texture of the sound. In other words, the cleaner the path, the less you are going to mess up what you worked so hard to faithfully record. It is in all this mucking about that we lose the difference in sound between good amps/guitars/effects and less good, between good mics and less good. The 'air'goes away. the sparle goes away, the soundfield collapses, and we wonder what happened to those great original tracks.
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#1915799 - 03/25/08 05:14 AM
Re: My first attempt at a multi track track..
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Thanks for the advice Bill.
From what I can tell (as im no expert), Reaper will "reserve" the CPU time it thinks each track would need when it has audio pumping through it, in turn this ends up with 8 or 9 tracks which are sitting there doing nothing but using 8% CPU each.
You are right I should have rendered all the tracks that had effects running on them.. lol I don't know why it didn't occur to me to do so.. :-)
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#1915821 - 03/25/08 06:05 AM
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That was fun, Lee. Yes, the Dan came to mind for me, too.
There seems to be some reverb on the bass which is usually best avoided in a band context unless it's a bass solo.
Some very nice guitar playing.
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#1915839 - 03/25/08 06:36 AM
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Great job, Trucks! That's a great first effort and EZ Drummer gets a great advertisement in your ability to create such a neat track in little time.
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#1915845 - 03/25/08 06:44 AM
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Nice feel on that Trucks.
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#1915855 - 03/25/08 07:07 AM
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Very good job! Some really good musical ideas you have going on there!
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#1915856 - 03/25/08 07:07 AM
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Thanks everybody! Your comments are too kind lol
Thanks for the advice on the bass Phil, i'll leave it dry next time. How did it sound EQ wise? I was playing the ABG but wanted it to sound more like an electric bass  The first part of the track I wanted to sound a bit "wonky", played fignerstyle bass there and with a pick for the other bits. I can't play the bass line that is in my head though... That is my main downfall.. And I struggle to keep bass in time, more than guitar.
EZ Drummer, is really that easy yes. I first put up a scratch track, took about 30-40 mins to get something I wanted, then about an hour to tweak it as I went along... It would have been faster without a doubt, if I had more experience with it. I think it supports RTAS and VST, so if pro tools LE supports those, you should be fine Randy. I believe Fumblyfingers uses pro tools and he has just bought EZ Drummer... So he may be your best bet on that one. I believe in the US you get a $50 rebate too.
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#1915890 - 03/25/08 08:11 AM
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...There seems to be some reverb on the bass which is usually best avoided in a band context unless it's a bass solo...
Phil,
You need to go back and listen to Carol Kaye on the Pet Sounds album and Macca on "A Little Help From My Friends." I know these are exceptions, but sometimes a little reverb on the bass can be a good thing.
Tracy
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#1915894 - 03/25/08 08:16 AM
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Yes, I've used reverb and echo on bass myself. I do quite a bit of solo bass stuff using a looper and reverb can work very well on some of the lead/solo tracks to build the sonic picture. Generally, though, it is not that common. I thought that on this track, specifically, it would have sounded better without.
If you're an experienced engineer, reverb can, as you say, be an effective effect on a bass recording but if you're new to it (like me)- it's safer to say to avoid it most of the time.
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#1915895 - 03/25/08 08:18 AM
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Bill, is this the kind of thing I should be looking for? Not this particular make model etc but is it the right concept? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Alesis-Firewire-12...7QQcmdZViewItemSo it works like a standard mixer for recording tracks, but can also be used to mixdown the recorded tracks? Is that right?  Thanks
That is pretty much exactly the wrong thing, because it is an analog mixer with digital converters, so you end up with the same multiple trips through converters and the same added analog noise/hash/hiss of a cheap mixer. I'm thinking more along the lines of :
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AlphaTrack/
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MCUpro/
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MCmix/
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/UC33e/
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/M24/
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DControl/
there is a smattering of them, all from one vendor. I've used some of them,... the Digidesign Icon, the Mixed Logic, the Mackie.... and as I said, Behringer makes one... I think they might make two, one with faders and one with knobs.
The trick is to find one that works with your software. Most support the Mackie protocol, and most software understands the Mackie protocol, so that is an easy solution. But some do better with their native protocol if your software supports it. I was talking to the guys from Frontier at a trade show (I used to beta test for them...) and they said that Bob Lentini (SAWStudio) wrote massive support for their little Transport controller (which I have). I talked to Kevin from Mixed Logic, and he was fighting to get recognition (though he must be doing okay by now... that was several years ago and he's still making the controller, and it is pretty cool.)
a part of the coolness of these things is that the controls are soft...meaning that they are assignable if you care to go through that route... I just let mine be volume faders, but I'm lazy...
Bill
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