#1904864 - 03/07/08 12:33 AM
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Giro
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Where in the room the drum will sound best to me and in the recording after acoustic treatment?
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#1905014 - 03/07/08 07:30 AM
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In a room like that I'd say you should experiment to see what sounds best to you. As long as you have sufficient absorption it shouldn't matter a whole lot. The only places I'd avoid are very close to corners and very close to the middle of the room.
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#1905071 - 03/07/08 08:43 AM
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yeh.. depends on the sound you're looking for. Positioning can really change the character of the sound.
Corners may not be a fav spot... but alot of times thats all we got to deal with as drummers. it IS A sSPACE TAKING instrument to play.
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#1905200 - 03/07/08 11:51 AM
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Many thanks,
The O.H. Mic will be just above my head, and that i also my listening position.
Maybe the 38% reflection free zone listening room concept will work also in this case?
Short way or long way of the room ?
O.H. mics and drummer facing the wall or facing the room?
If I set up near the center of the long wall (short way of the room)the side walls will be about 10 feet from me, not too bad I guess...
Instead only 6 feet from me if I set up the regular way(long way)
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#1906143 - 03/09/08 10:43 AM
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generally speaking, you need to shape the room to get the desired characteristics - live, dead, somewhere in between, and then find the best placement for your kit by trial and error. once you find the right spot for the kit, put something overhead to reduce the ceiling reflections back into your overhead mics.
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#1907741 - 03/11/08 09:18 PM
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#1908200 - 03/12/08 01:10 PM
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Thank you, I'm done with this, I will set up just like this:
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#1910471 - 03/16/08 11:22 AM
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Thanks Ethan ,
Will be a good idea to cover almost 100% of the walls and ceiling of the recording/drum zone with absorption? Almost like a both? I guess the drum set is too close to the walls back there to consider any diffusion or reflection correct?
also,
Why the bass drum sound much more tight if pointing to a flat wall about a feet or less from it? The sound cannot develop? Or it is absorbed from the drywall?
P.S. I really like your music videos!
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#1911233 - 03/17/08 01:53 PM
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Will be a good idea to cover almost 100% of the walls and ceiling of the recording/drum zone with absorption? Almost like a both?
Probably less than 100 is percent needed - maybe 1/2 to 3/4. It really depends on how close to the walls the drums and microphones are.
Why the bass drum sound much more tight if pointing to a flat wall about a feet or less from it?
The goal is to be farther from reflecting surfaces.
P.S. I really like your music videos!
Thanks!
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#1913127 - 03/20/08 10:43 AM
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Probably less than 100 is percent needed - maybe 1/2 to 3/4. It really depends on how close to the walls the drums and microphones are.
The goal is to be farther from reflecting surfaces.
Thank you Ethan,
To avoid problems...
How far should be the drums or mic from a reflecting surface MINIMUM?
And also, near the drum or mic, how big the reflecting surface between the absorption can be MAXIMUM?
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#1913171 - 03/20/08 11:26 AM
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The dividing line between early and not early reflections is around 20 milliseconds. Since sound travels at approx. 1 foot per millisecond, that means a round trip distance of about 10 feet.
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#1913605 - 03/21/08 08:39 AM
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It's really tough for me to know exactly what things will sound like in your room with different placements and distances. The best approach is to experiment and see what happens as you add more and more absorption. The goal is to have a neutral sound, where hand claps don't make a ping or boing sound having a specific pitch you can pick out. Once you have enough absorption for the room to sound neutral, with no pings or hollowness, you're done.
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#1916584 - 03/26/08 12:49 PM
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It's really tough for me to know exactly what things will sound like in your room with different ......--Ethan
Thank You Ethan, I'm done with my experiments...
The room sound best when I spread the absorption all over the walls rather than just in the drum zone, I like 18% coverage on the walls, I guess it's all I need because the ceiling iis made with school ceiling tiles that already absorb some sound,
18% coverage include: 10-broadband panels on the ceiling/walls corners and 7 - 2" panels for the walls , I am thinking about some diffusion too.
The room sound OK now however I need more low frequencies absorption, things are not tight enough jet.
I experimented increasing the thickness of the 2" absorbers (from 2" to 4" , 6" up to 8") and axially it works .. but at expenses of too much absorption at mid high frequencies!
maybe because the edge?
A wood frame around the panels will resolve the problem?
What else I can try? wood panels traps?
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#1916996 - 03/27/08 08:12 AM
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Thicker is best for bass, and you can put thin cardboard in front of the large surfaces to reduce mid/high frequency absorption. That's probably better and easier than building wood frames.
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#1917071 - 03/27/08 10:22 AM
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Thicker is best for bass, and you can put thin cardboard in front of the large surfaces to reduce mid/high frequency absorption. That's probably better and easier than building wood frames.
--Ethan
Thank you Ethan , my idea was to keep the same 18% coverage for the walls because now I know it works, next increasing the thickness of the panels for the bass, and then covering the extra edge of the panels to avoid the extra mid/high absorption.
but if is better to put thin cardboard in front of the large surfaces...I will go that way!
Where I can find this thin cardboard ? Can you please add a link, USA department store name etc. It is made with paper ? plastic? polystyrene? Cork ? etc? I'm not sure what is it.
Some of my extra panels have already an aluminum foil in one side, is that equivalent to a cardboard? In my room that foil doesn't make a lot of difference, for example , even with the foil facing the room, 18% coverage is still the dividing line between what I like and what I don't like.
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#1917629 - 03/28/08 08:40 AM
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It doesn't have to be cardboard. Any thin rigid material will pass bass and reflect higher frequencies.
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