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#1902639 - 03/03/08 01:00 PM The Big Difference!!!
ricotrex
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I thought I would post a couple of before and after measurements! I couldn't be more happy. Thanks so much to everyone who contributes so much great information to this forum!



Before Traps




After Traps \:D

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#1903124 - 03/04/08 09:24 AM Re: The Big Difference!!! [Re: ricotrex]
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Excellent, and I bet the ringing is greatly reduced too if you look at the waterfalls.

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#1903285 - 03/04/08 01:22 PM Re: The Big Difference!!! [Re: Ethan Winer]
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That is some pretty crazy LF response there. What subwoofer are you using? I didn't notice one in your pictures. I can't believe how flat your 20-45hz is.

Your spl range is a little too large. You might be better off changing your graph limits to 90db and 50db. Even my room looks pretty good at that scale.

What treatment did you end up using? Any pictures of the final install?

Jeff

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#1903435 - 03/04/08 07:53 PM Re: The Big Difference!!! [Re: Speaker Boy]
ricotrex
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Hi Ethan and Jeff,


"Excellent, and I bet the ringing is greatly reduced too if you look at the waterfalls."

Yes the ringing is greatly reduced.

"Your spl range is a little too large. You might be better off changing your graph limits to 90db and 50db."

Yes, the scale is a little too large on the "After Traps" graph. It actually had to be that wide of a range to show you how bad it was before. Some of the nulls I had extended more than 40 db!
Anyway, I will re-post some graphs after I finish my room. As it is right now, I am using a total of 21 Bass traps. 17 of them are 6" burlap wrapped, Johns Manville I/S 300 panels. I am still using 4 of my original wood panel traps but as of today, have decided that they are causing more problems than they are helping. I removed them today and took a quick measurement and discovered that they were "seemingly" causing they large null at 80 Hz. Once I removed the panel traps, the null at 80 Hz went away completely. I have concluded that I must not have constructed them very well and that their position in my very tiny room was responsible for their failure to work correctly. I will be replacing them with 4 more 6" Johns Manville I/S 300 burlap wrapped traps.
As for my sub woofer, it is a Dynaudio BM 9S. I am not 100% convinced of the accuracy of the results in the 20-45 Hz range. The BM 9S bottom range only extends down to 30 Hz. I am using the ECM 8000 and an SPL Gold Mike mice pre to measure my room.
I will post some pictures of the "New Treatment" and some new measurements once I am done with my new broadband traps.
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#1903976 - 03/05/08 05:49 PM Re: The Big Difference!!! [Re: ricotrex]
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That is strange how your panels were causing that 80hz dip. My guess was that your sub and sats were crossed over at 80hz and you needed to toggle the phase switch on your subwoofer to get rid of that dip.

It looks like you main speakers are a lot louder than your sub. If you look at your 40 hz versus 200hz there is over a 10db difference. I guess you would need to look at the full 20-20k to verify this.

It is possible that your sub is playing flat to 24hz. One of the nice things about a sealed box subwoofer--If you have nice bricks walls you can actually take advantage of room gain. At my old apartment my front speakers were flat to 23hz, but in my current apartment they are over 10db down at 23hz.

Jeff

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#1904098 - 03/05/08 11:39 PM Re: The Big Difference!!! [Re: Speaker Boy]
ricotrex
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It looks like you main speakers are a lot louder than your sub. If you look at your 40 hz versus 200hz there is over a 10db difference. I guess you would need to look at the full 20-20k to verify this.

Yes! You are absolutely right. Wow! Thanks for reminding me of that. I have always had my sub turned down since before I started treating my room. I forgot to turn it back up. I was kind of thinking that bump around 200 HZ was unusual! Duh!!! I will definitely turn it up a bit more now and will try flipping the phase.

My guess was that your sub and sats were crossed over at 80hz

60 actually! But good guess \:\) Now that you mention that, I should play with the crossover on my sub a little. It does not have hard switches at dedicated frequencies for its x-over like my satellites do.


I will say though that now that I have replaced the wood panel traps the null is better but not quite fixed yet. I will do more testing tomorrow as it is too late to test tonight.
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