#1876700 - 01/20/08 08:21 PM
Tascam remote control cable
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Jazzman
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I wanted to get a cable that is long enough to go from one room to another either via built into the wall or just run it through the rooms to the drum room. I would prefer to have it built into the wall like the rest of the cabling in the studio.
Tried to get a hold of Tascam without success. The remote control cable that I have now is good to 10'. It is about 5o' to get from the drum room to the control room.
Is there someone that can make up a cable that would match the existing cable with the (20)? pin heads on them??
I would like to use the remote unit in the drum room to control my DA88's in the control room.
Jazzman 
Edited by Jazzman (01/21/08 11:48 AM)
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#1876890 - 01/21/08 08:50 AM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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Can you take some closeup pics of the connector on the end of the RC 808 and post them up? Hard to tell from the manual if it's a DIN or a larger plug. Also, take some measurements. It's only got seven pins, so Alpha, Belden or one of the other manufacturers should have the 8 conductor multi-cable. IDing the connector is the important thing. If you can't do the above, contact http://njfactoryservice.com/ and see if at the very least they can ID the connector. Tascam is their bread and butter. Your best bet is with Tascam direct at: +1-323-726-0303 extention 840(parts). They could also probably ID the connecter type immediately.
EDIT: I just re-read, and it looks like you have the RC 848(larger remote). Same deal applies. Multi-cable is available if you can ID the connector. It actually looks like a printer parallel port D-sub connector(pre-USB), but with less pins. Here are a couple of links to what's available in 15 pin, and a way to measure/match your cable connector with what's needed for an extention:
http://portal.fciconnect.com/Comergent//fci/drawing/c-dsub-0071.pdf Mouser
http://www.redco.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=34&cat=DSUB+Connectors Redco
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#1877652 - 01/22/08 03:47 PM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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I think that the Tascam cable company is aclled Cable Up, you might check with them. I built my own back when I had DA-88s, I think mine was about 30 or 35 feet. It is really not a big deal to do yourself, but probably any cable manufcaturer like Horizon Rapco, ProCo, Whirlwind, etc could do it for you. Even CCT could do it, and probably cheaply.
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#1878430 - 01/23/08 08:30 PM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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Well,here is what I have.
The cable is a "AWM VW-1SC 2803 60C E44013 DAIICHI DENKO"
The remote connector is an "RC-848". I can have up to 6 DA88's on the unit being controlled.
8 pin holes on the top and 7 pin holes on the bottom of the female connector. On the male side there are 4 pins starting from the left on the top with the other 4 empty. On the bottom there are 6 pins. Starting from the left a empty space then the 6 pins.
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#1878584 - 01/24/08 07:13 AM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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The cable that you want is an PW848L, which is ten meters or 30 feet.
If I had to guess, I would think that a standard pin to pin extension cable tagged onto your shorter PW848 cable would do the trick, which can be bought almost anywhere, my choice would be CC&T on the web. 50 feet is beyond the protocol, and is unlikely to work without some sort of booster (don't ask me what kind, I wouldn't know).
Have you investigated MMC with the 88? You might be able to do what you want from a laptop or computer.
I don't kbow why you haven't had any luck reaching Tascam. Their telephone support is usually available. You might also look up their contractor website, which may have a pinout for you.
also, when the DA88 was first introduced, Petersen did a review of the machine in Mix, wherein he spilled the beans about the pinouts. This pissed off Tascam, who refused to give the pinouts to me, though I was one of the earliest DA-88 purchasers (my original machines even had different faceplate art than the final release). If you can find that Mix issue or look on the Mix website....
Bill
Edited by Bill@Welcome Home Studios (01/24/08 07:15 AM)
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#1878923 - 01/24/08 05:14 PM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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Jazzman
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Thanks Paully and Bill for the great information.
As far as the pin-out goes, I think all I need to do is check the contunity of each pin and socket location to get a reading, and mark it down on paper. When I see the meter read I will know that I am connected. I could go pin by pin until they are accounted for. This is what I think I would do for a new cable build. Now, if I reuse the existing cable that would connect into the Tascam 88 unit, then buy a longer standard cable that has a 15pin connectors, male and female then it would line up correctly going from that existing factory cable to the remote unit because the pin to pin make-up is already good from the Tascam 88 unit to the existing factory cable. I would just then connect a made-up cable or purchased cable having 15 pins on them to the other end of the factory cable. The pins that are not needed will slide into empty socket locations. Only the pins from the end of the factory cable would be connected to the made-up or purchased 15 pin cable. This should work.
Does this make sense?
I'm already using Redco's cables in my studio walls. (They are Mogmi cables)
Hummm....50 feet seems to be a small distance to loose signals in. Some folks use 300 feet on control cables on PLC's for industrial applications before you need to amp up the signal. Something for me to think about.
The Tascam cable is very plyable. Is it because the copper is stranded? The cable should be shielded right?
Paully, the connectors that I saw on the link seems to be the correct match to my Tascam cable connectors.
What about the ground issue for the connectors? Do I need to review that for these cables. Are one of the pins grounded?
Bill I will try to contact Tascam, and some cable companies to see if they heard of the cable that I have. I will also see if I can get a hold of the MIX info.
Bill I didn't realize about the ring-out patterns of the cables. Thanks for the heads up. One way for them to sell cables. I would even buy it if they would make one up for me.
My existing cable length is about 18 feet long.
One last qusetion..........Are there connectors that can be built into the wall, and in a box like the XLR ones?
Thanks a bunch folks.
Jazzman
(George)
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#1879154 - 01/25/08 06:29 AM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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So George,
what you are saying is that the cable that you need terminates in a standard computer style D-sub connector? With 15 pins in two rows? If so, then yes you can buy chassis mount or cable mounts in male or female configuration, usually in solder, crimp, or wirewrap versions.
And if I am getting the gist of what you are saying, then you want a pin-to-pin matching extension cable. I am making this distinction because many cables for serial data transmission have a couple of pins swapped.... the send and recieve pins... so that the two devices send and recieve data correctly. The 'send' pin/s on one end need to connect to the 'recieve' pin/s ont he other end of the cable, and vice versa. But an extension cable runs straight pin to pin. Your existing 848 cable will perform all the pin exchanging that needs done.
If this is indeed a Dsub connector, the cables are inexpensive to buy, ready-made, from CC&T. Buy the higher grade verion, thye are only a couple of bucks more and are well worth it.
Bill
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#1879230 - 01/25/08 08:13 AM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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The Tascam cable is very plyable. Is it because the copper is stranded? The cable should be shielded right?
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I'd guess it's stranded wire, only because a cable that's subject to motion if less likely to snap if it's stranded. In-wall wire it probably wouldn't matter that much.
What about the ground issue for the connectors? Do I need to review that for these cables. Are one of the pins grounded??
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What I'd suggest is that you pull back the connector cover on the current cable's D-sub and see if the cable is shielded or not. That'll make the wire length issue a little easier to deal with. If not shielded, I'd have no problem suggesting a 50' run. You have to be careful with what's actually being transmitted. If it's strictly control voltages, you're OK. If it's digital data packets, that's another issue. If shielded, that of course dictates using the same type of shielded cable for the extention.
My existing cable length is about 18 feet long...
Are there connectors that can be built into the wall, and in a box like the XLR ones?
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So you only need about a 30' extention. Unless you can find a supplier for pre-made, get the regular chassis mount female sockets and mount them like you would an XLR or any other connector. D-subs with solder cups are the best bet unless you are familiar with crimping and have the tool.
Wire can be had thru Redco, Mouser, or several others, but may be limited to 100' minimum order. Sounds like you know how to match up the lines, and multi-cable can be ordered with color-coded wires. I'd opt for #20-22 stranded copper wire. I forgot what your pin count was, but you apparently don't need the full 15 wires in the multi-cable. Order as many internal wires as needed PLUS one(in case a wire breaks latter on).
Bill, oh Bill, who is CC&T? Tried to google it, but found nothing relevant. Have you got an active link or an address?
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#1879394 - 01/25/08 12:51 PM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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Bill, oh Bill, who is CC&T? Tried to google it, but found nothing relevant. Have you got an active link or an address?
Best, Paul
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#1880407 - 01/27/08 09:14 PM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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A bit more of an up date. I've checked for a ground using a continuity meter and touching the metal connector on the male and female conectors, it rang out. So I think that the shield of the cable is the ground. So when I connect the cables up the ground should be continuous.
Bill, I'm thinking that if I connect one end of the Tascam factory cable to the DA88, then connect a standard built up multi conductor cable with the same pin-out on both ends to the other side of the Tascam open cable. Then connect the other side of the built up cable to the controller, it should be OK. What ever the pin-out is on the controller side will connect to the built up cable no matter what the pin-out is on that end and the active pins on the built up cable will match the controller side automaticlly. The remaining pins in the built cable would just be dead in the sockets.
Does this sound right? It should work.
Thanks for the links Bill and Paully.
Looks like distance is an issue, and digital data moving in the cables is a concern for the type of cable to use.
Jazzman
George
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#1880982 - 01/28/08 06:43 PM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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George,
Question: is the current cable hardwired to the remote, or is it basically a stand-alone connection that plugs into the remote and the recorder; with a male on one end and a female on the other?
Also, what you proposing is what I thought you had in mind all along, to just continue the wires that are already in place. What you have in mind is exactly what I'd try.
About the shield. If you can, test from either D-sub's shell, as you already have, to each of the pins inside the D-sub's male connector. Check for which pin, if any, connects to the cable's shield. You'll want to make sure the shield is actually brought back into the circuit in the right way, and at the right spot, so that it is actually doing what it's supposed to. You should also use metal shells on the new wire's D-sub connectors, making sure they continue the shielding from the current cable.
Thanks, Bill. I checked that site. Not a lot of stuff, but some neat stuff. Found this http://www.callcct.com/Stainless-Steel-Plate-1x-D-Sub for terminating in-wall runs.
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#1880996 - 01/28/08 07:31 PM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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Question: is the current cable hardwired to the remote, or is it basically a stand-alone connection that plugs into the remote and the recorder; with a male on one end and a female on the other?
About the shield. If you can, test from either D-sub's shell, as you already have, to each of the pins inside the D-sub's male connector. Check for which pin, if any, connects to the cable's shield. You'll want to make sure the shield is actually brought back into the circuit in the right way, and at the right spot, so that it is actually doing what it's supposed to. You should also use metal shells on the new wire's D-sub connectors, making sure they continue the shielding from the current cable.
Great thought Paully.....didn't think of it. I shall do as you suggest and see what I get.
WOW!!! A wall plate for the connector...guess what I'm going to look at doing in the studio. You guys are great!
I'm still building the studio and in a few months I should be complete with the build. I really can't wait. It has been two nutty years since I started. What a trying event for me.
Jazzman
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#1891973 - 02/14/08 08:31 PM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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Well I called Tascam twice and had two people claiming to get back to me. Well........I'm still waiting. This is starting to bug me a little. They are like bobble heads, agree to help until you hang up the phone!!!
I was trying to see how long the cable could be before I needed to boost the signal, and what equipment I need to do this with if I needed it.
They were going to hook me up with their cable folks that they do business with. None of this happened.
I plan on calling them back to see what excuse they will come up with this time.
Jazzman
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#1897953 - 02/25/08 10:03 AM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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George,
That sucks! AAR, you might get some help with this at one of these links:
This is a dedicated Tascam forum:
http://tascamforums.com/index.php?showforum=24
This guy(Eddie Ciletti) is well worth the $15 e-mail charge. Guaranteed he'll give you the right answers, and may even be able to supply you with the right cable. Include all your questions in one e-mail to save dough.
http://tascamforums.com/index.php?showtopic=18195
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#1898384 - 02/25/08 05:04 PM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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Well I called Tascam twice and had two people claiming to get back to me. ...I was trying to see how long the cable could be before I needed to boost the signal, ... Jazzman
I gave the stock answer to you already. They will not tell you any differently. Not only that, but there probably isn't anyone left there from that time period, anyway.
Meanwhile, you might look for that George Peterson article in Mix that I mentioned, he may have crossed that threshold, too. And he did print many of the pinouts, and it pissed Tascam off.,.. I know, because they refused to give the pinouts to me and I was so early into the game that I was practically a beta tester for the DA88.
Bill
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#1904776 - 03/06/08 06:04 PM
Re: Tascam remote control cable
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Thanks Paully and Bill for the response. Points well taken.
George
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