#1828517 - 10/22/07 03:19 PM
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How's that for a suggestion? I am a husband and father. Quite frankly, I'm getting tired of having to hide my bass player mag from the kids because it contains so much filthy language or say...some reggae dude with patches of pot plants all over his jacket ON THE FRONT COVER! Are you seriously hurting that much for material that you have to include this nonsense? Perhaps you guys need to realize that not everyone who reads your mag is a hell-bent single dude with no morals whatsoever. Would you seriously want your kids to read some of this garbage? Perhaps you don't care...but I do. I have been a subscriber for three years but I will say that if the garbage continues, I will end it at three!
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#1828867 - 10/23/07 10:08 AM
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I didn't notice the pot plants on the jacket, but the language was why I canceled my subscription years ago. It's also the only thing that makes me hesitate to resubscribe now.
I'd be happy with asterisks.
If I'm not mistaken, these fora have tighter restrictions on words than the magazine.
Just my two cents.
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#1829405 - 10/24/07 08:42 AM
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Freedom of speech dudes -
I dont choose to swear like a sailer in my own public life
but many folks do....
If you want the freedom to talk about God, Religion, Jesus, or wear a symbol of faith - then you need to allow others to express themselves as well.
Now if some great player decides to share the Gospell in an interview and Bass player magazine edits it out, would that be cool?
You wouldn't do that would you BP?
Mongo....
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#1856717 - 12/14/07 05:48 AM
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Freedom of speech dudes -
I dont choose to swear like a sailer in my own public life
but many folks do....
If you want the freedom to talk about God, Religion, Jesus, or wear a symbol of faith - then you need to allow others to express themselves as well.
Now if some great player decides to share the Gospell in an interview and Bass player magazine edits it out, would that be cool?
You wouldn't do that would you BP?
Mongo....
Well. Mongo, I got nuttin' but love for ya. I'm not quite to the point of disagreeing with you, but have these thoughts.
First, protection of freedom of speech only applies to government action. If the government ordered BP to stop printing cuss words, or pictures of pot plants, or somebody's Christian testimony, that's when the Bill of Rights kicks in. BP itself, as a private entity, can impose its own limitations on content.
I acknowledge my own bias as a Christian having much less objection to an artist in BP sharing his Christian faith than somebody using language we as a society identify as vulgar, or espousing drug use, etc.
As a parent I always tried to let my kids be exposed to whatever the realities were and use it as an opportunity to share my values, encourage critical thinking, etc. To my mind it's more effective than making it "forbidden fruit."
But I have a young friend, 14 years old, just learning to play bass. I believe his parents' heads would explode if they saw him reading BP and saw some of the content contained in it. They would probably not let him read BP. This would be a loss, because there's lots of stuff in the mag that could help him. From that standpoint, BP might actually increase readership by controlling content a little more tightly so as to offend the fewest number of readers (or their parents).
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#1856955 - 12/14/07 12:34 PM
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If you're going to aim for 14 year olds with a publication, you will lose everyone else. It's an entirely different mindset. If Mom and Dad think a cuss word or two is too vulgar for Johnny then they should take it upon themselves to use a magic marker and censor what he reads. Don't expect everyone to comply with what Johnny's parents might feel is offensive.
Just a thought.
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#1876288 - 01/20/08 09:58 AM
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If you're going to aim for 14 year olds with a publication, you will lose everyone else. It's an entirely different mindset. If Mom and Dad think a cuss word or two is too vulgar for Johnny then they should take it upon themselves to use a magic marker and censor what he reads. Don't expect everyone to comply with what Johnny's parents might feel is offensive.
Just a thought. +100  I wish people would stop trying to run the lives of others in the name of their kids. I had nothing to do with making the kids, now you're expecting me to help you raise them? Get real, people.
Sorry, but that sounds like a copout to me. If we cannot figure out how express ourselves in such a manner that we do not offend people by our choice of vulgarities we are, indeed, in trouble. My radio show is geared toward teenagers and adults. But you will not hear a single vulgarity or mention of drugs or alcohol. We do not need these things to appeal to all ages. Gimme a break!
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#1876407 - 01/20/08 01:13 PM
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Sorry, but that sounds like a copout to me.
Well, that's your prerogative, isn't it? 
If we cannot figure out how express ourselves in such a manner that we do not offend people by our choice of vulgarities we are, indeed, in trouble...
Well, I found the original post, ie
Perhaps you guys need to realize that not everyone who reads your mag is a hell-bent single dude with no morals whatsoever. Would you seriously want your kids to read some of this garbage?
to be offensive in the extreme. "Hell bent single dude with no morals whatsoever"? WTF??? Never mind the moronic assertion that just because the poster is "a husband and a father" (whoo-hoo!) that makes him some sort of moral authority, I also object strongly to the idea that anyone that smokes dope is "hell-bent" and has "no morals whatsoever". So you see, I feel that it is the original poster who has been unable to express himself without resorting to vulgarity. Who's to say that overbearing bigots like him are not far more hell-bent?
Once again, some people should get real and stop using their kiddies to run the lives of others. We didn't MAKE the kids, why should we be expected to RAISE them? If that dude is such a candidate for Father Of The Year, then he really should take more of a role in guiding his family rather than expecting the world to adapt itself to suit him.
My radio show is geared toward teenagers and adults. But you will not hear a single vulgarity or mention of drugs or alcohol. We do not need these things to appeal to all ages. Gimme a break!
I don't think that BP has ever said that smoking dope (etc) is an essential part of playing bass. In other words, BP has never used "those things to appeal to all ages". However, it is part of reality that, yes Virginia, some people do have clothes with illustrations of dope leaves on them (Gram Parsons comes to mind). Big deal.
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#1917758 - 03/28/08 10:45 AM
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Look at the front of the SGT. Pepper Album!
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#1919692 - 03/31/08 09:51 PM
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They're just words. Get over it.
I curse like a sailor. I edit my vocabulary when around certain people - especially young people. Because when I'm talking to them they don't have a choice to turn it off or not buy it.
It is a magazine. You can choose to not buy it. You can choose to not read it. Words aren't going to kill you.
I fully think that anything should be fair game on the radio and on public TV. There is a local public access TV station where a guy used to show hard core pornography for his show and talk about it. I don't know if he still does it but I do recall that several years ago there was a huge "to do" locally about this horrible thing. Get over it. If you don't want to see it don't watch it.
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#1923005 - 04/07/08 12:51 AM
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Well, I found the original post, ie
Perhaps you guys need to realize that not everyone who reads your mag is a hell-bent single dude with no morals whatsoever. Would you seriously want your kids to read some of this garbage?
to be offensive in the extreme. "Hell bent single dude with no morals whatsoever"? WTF??? Never mind the moronic assertion that just because the poster is "a husband and a father" (whoo-hoo!) that makes him some sort of moral authority, I also object strongly to the idea that anyone that smokes dope is "hell-bent" and has "no morals whatsoever". So you see, I feel that it is the original poster who has been unable to express himself without resorting to vulgarity. Who's to say that overbearing bigots like him are not far more hell-bent?
Once again, some people should get real and stop using their kiddies to run the lives of others. We didn't MAKE the kids, why should we be expected to RAISE them? If that dude is such a candidate for Father Of The Year, then he really should take more of a role in guiding his family rather than expecting the world to adapt itself to suit him.
Not to smear the Christian theme we have going over to the other side of the fence, but AMEN. Never mind the fact that so many people have chosen only one definition of morality that ignores greater social complexities in our world involving race, class, and culture. This sort of attitude is rampant in America and exists in the entire "West" as far as I can tell. If "reggae dudes" with pot patches are your greatest fear then I would ask you to go read some Jamaica Kincaid, followed by a long hard look in the mirror.
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#1956506 - 06/11/08 03:26 PM
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I try to watch my language around my kids, and in public. In my opinion, swearing in a public place is flat out impolite. At work, I consciously avoid swearing, because it's not professional to do otherwise, though I might just to get a point across. Among friends, I can swear all I like, but even then I don't. After a certain amount of swearing you know longer sound like you're "keeping it real", you merely sound like you have a limited vocabulary. My opinion only.
As for the objections people have to their kids being exposed to swear words or marijuana leaves, are you going to keep them in a bubble for the rest of their lives? Seeing a marijuana leaf on a reggae musician's jacket will not turn a kid into a pot smoker. Talking to your kid about the realities of abuse of any legal or illegal substances won't give them any reason not to do drugs. IN the world, but not of it, etc. Unless you're going to move into some cult-like compound, you can't keep kids from becoming aware of the outside world, you can only guide them in dealing with it.
In Europe, radio stations don't bleep song lyrics, so Snoop Dogg can spew his raps right alongside Puddle of Mudd's F-bomb title track. We dealt with it by telling the kids that while people do swear, they should not.
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#1961495 - 06/22/08 06:43 PM
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Words are words. Not Bad words... Just bad intentions, or bad thoughts, but the words themselves are just words.
You can keep your piety to your self, as long as the bass lessons are accurate and informative. The interviews are of a particular player and their mindset, and IMO, accepting others and their mindset is just Christian. You don't have to subscribe to their beliefs, just understand them.
Again, keep your "god", and your related opinions, out of my life, and my Bass Player.
Just because you have "been saved" doesn't mean I need your beliefs infecting me or my life.
Judge not, lest ye be also judged.
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#1970287 - 07/15/08 08:43 PM
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Jeez, I didn't know there was stuff like that in bass player. I've only ever seen the mildest of swearing in GP. I'm glad you said something.
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#1971561 - 07/19/08 06:03 AM
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Words are words. Not Bad words... Just bad intentions, or bad thoughts, but the words themselves are just words.
You can keep your piety to your self, as long as the bass lessons are accurate and informative. The interviews are of a particular player and their mindset, and IMO, accepting others and their mindset is just Christian. You don't have to subscribe to their beliefs, just understand them.
Again, keep your "god", and your related opinions, out of my life, and my Bass Player.
Just because you have "been saved" doesn't mean I need your beliefs infecting me or my life.
Judge not, lest ye be also judged.
Peace,
wraub
I will say that probably most people in the U.S. get "infected" every day with beliefs they do not hold. I, as a Christian, am bombarded almost daily with references to drug use, irresponsible sexual activity, violence, and attacks on the divinity and lordship of Christ. I do not seek to censor any of it, because of the First Amendment. All I ask is that nobody try to censor me when I express my Christian faith.
Nor do I think, respectfully, that a non-Christian is the best expositor of what is "Christian," necessarily. Christians are called to love everybody, which is not the same thing as "accepting" the way I think you mean it. There is a difference between loving the person, for whom Christ died, versus loving or sanctioning all of that person's actions or attitudes. But these are things that are perhaps not fully comprehended unless and until one is "saved," or "born again," or becomes a "new creature in Christ." Until then it's kind of pointless to talk about "right" and "wrong."
Moderators, I'm done. I wouldn't have started this particular discussion, mindful of the guidelines, but I do think wraub's post opened the door and called for a response, in all fairness. Anybody who wants to continue this can PM me.
Edited by Chad (07/19/08 06:27 AM)
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#1973283 - 07/24/08 08:13 PM
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Reespectfully, as much as I may agree with your system of belief, and your practice of it, and respect your willingness to understand the rights of expression of others, I still would insist that the depictions of words, pictures, etc. (might) do nothing more than posit the system of beliefs of those depicted therein. And musicians do occasionally posit some wacky stuff.
One need not subscribe to the "intentions" of the depictions, but should rather inform/instruct the people they would protect as to what might be right, wrong, or other about said depictions, and let them decide for themselves.
That would only be compassionate and Christian, no?
A picture, a word, or bible scripture is just a representation of an idea, or an ideal, and is only thus.
IMO, it is in the individual interpretation of same that problems usually arise.
Thanks, Chad, for the cogent response.
Again, respectfully,
wraub
p.s. who says I'm not christian?
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