#1791858 - 08/06/07 08:54 AM
can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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I have been on several posts and cannot seem to resolve this issue.
I have a g5 1.8 single and 8 gigs of ram I'm running Logic pro 6.4.3 , protools LE 6.9 and digital performer.
I wish to use multiple plugs in logic and so far can only get the my kurzweil , reason 3.0 one other plug (stylus) to work at one time, I wish to add MX4 and a couple of arturia plugs to this chain . I can do this in protools no problem , but it does not have the environment capabilities that logic has.
if some one is really knowlegeable with logic it would be great.
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Paris
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#1792193 - 08/06/07 08:59 PM
Re: can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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Hope there's not a support issue between Logic 6 Pro and the G5. You probably should take the question to a Logic specific site. Have you tried Sonicmatter http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/ ? There are forums for all versions of Logic plus tips, software hints, etc. Lots of experts there. Include the exact platform that you're running.
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#1792659 - 08/07/07 04:57 PM
Re: can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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Thank you for getting back to me
I have been every where I can think of on this one with no replies ( including Sonik Matters) it seems that it should be very straight forward , but in order to assign or activate the virtual synths you have to choose it and you can only have one plug active at a time, the G5s( I have 2 of them ) work fantastic and have enough memory
storage and capabilities to do some extemely intrincic recording.
Maybe I found Logics acheles heal! too bad, the environment allows me to totally create a virtual studio of all of my gear that is completely midi controlled ( I even built a virtual control to run my digi 002, levels panning etc from with in logic)
with real time automation.
BUT I CANT PLAY MORE THAN 1 PLUG SYNTH AT A TIME!
I have had 8 in protools playing for more than 2 hrs before it bogged down and even that was only slightly , the meters had a slower responce time then froze and came back up.
This was a shot in the dark I was hoping some one may have tried this and found a way to get the result.
thank you again
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#1792749 - 08/07/07 08:52 PM
Re: can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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Thanks again Paul,
I stuck with 10.3.9 ( for the audio) because that is as high as I could go without sending in the digi 002 for a 200.00 upgrade. just to have what I have now.I am running a large system 2.9 terrabite hardrives between the 2 G5s (lots of hot swaps)
to record to and each system has a tiger drive as well but I do most of my stuff in 10.3.9 all of the plugs run well in that OS
I was wondering if i had started a new session in logic and do some reassignments if it might work , or go into the environment portion and see if I can wire the plugs internally .
but if some one had encountered this before it would be intersting to see the work around.
I dont know if you are familiar with logic pro , very much like DP 5 or 6 or Protools 6.9 but with the ability to build midi control command structure applications for ALL of the connected midi devices in your system and write automation for each midi control comands.
VERY COOL!!!!!
the issue seems to be that I can only select one plug ata time and none of the books , manuals or sites I have been to have encountered this issue .
thanks again ,
I will figure this out some how
Paris
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#1796523 - 08/16/07 11:08 AM
Re: can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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...the issue seems to be that I can only select one plug ata time and none of the books , manuals or sites I have been to have encountered this issue...
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Paris,
Just checking back to see if you resolved this problem. Mabee it would help to bounce the exact procedure that you're using off of someone else. Post up the 'step-by-step' if you feel inclined.
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#1797296 - 08/17/07 07:40 PM
Re: can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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Paul,
Thanks for getting back to me ,
I am reading as much as I can right now, manuals books etc to see if i can find something out about this . no solutions yet but am still active in figuring it all out.
paris
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#1797331 - 08/17/07 09:26 PM
Re: can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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Paris,
When you get time, write down exactly how you set up a specific audio instrument in the Environment. Don't leave out anything. Post it back here. Mabee you're just overlooking something.
Are the instrument plugs internal(Logic plugs) or third party? If the latter, mabee they're in a place where Logic's I/O can't see them.
FWIW, I took a look at the assignment procedure to refresh. It clearly stated that "the number of plugins is set according to the version of Logic that you're running". What that means exactly I haven't a clue, but that what it says. Check in the dropdown 'authorization' menu to see that the (Logic) sounds are all authorized. If not, you may be out of luck, as code numbers are no longer provided by Apple for your XSkey. Logic instruments are part of the program source code, and a reload of Logic 6 Pro might be in order.
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#1798849 - 08/22/07 12:28 AM
Re: can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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Hi Paul,
thought you'ld like to know what I found out, this weekend!
I picked up the July issue of VIRTUAL INSTRUMENTS Magazine over the week end
on the back page there was an article by George Whitty about a Logic environment he developed for Micheal Brecker , this was clearly a complicated midi control aplication for several midi based virtual instruments , in the article George clearly states," When we started out Logic was only revised to 6.4.3, Which meant that only one instument could be active at a given time."
This is the version of logic pro 6.4.3 I am running at present I will have to upgrade to Logic 7 or better to rise above this limitation.
So I wasnt halucinating on this problem, I will try to find a work around to see if I can create something to over ride this short comming.
Paris
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#1800213 - 08/24/07 07:26 PM
Re: can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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Paul ,
FYI,
I contacted Virtual Instruments Magazine with the question I posed here
what I got in return was an environment template that gave me access to all of the
virtual midi channels to use in logic 7 pro but is downward compatable, applicable to Logic 6 pro, Problem solved!!!!!!!
If you've ever play with Logic PRO, the environment is an extremly versatile feature
allowing you to tailor make your studio to respond all midi commands and virtually wire your studio to any midi configuration with a front end that is accessable from with in logic itself , complete with automation , note on/off , sysex, program changes etc. for all virtual and external midi devicesthe only limit is your imagination. once I write all of these applications my studio will have great potential.
Thanks again for your help with all of this
Paris
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#1800507 - 08/25/07 05:43 PM
Re: can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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Paris,
Glad you found a solution to your problem. I still don't quite understand why Logic 6 Pro won't allow multiple instruments. I run Gold(the next level back from Pro) ver. 6.3.1 on (only) OSX ver. 10.2.8. and have no problem assigning virtual instruments of any kind. No big deal as long as you're up and running.
Two very misunderstood and feared features of Logic: the environment and the transpose windows. Learn them and you've got the program kicked. I use about a dozen templates to cover most situations. Objects are set up in the environment for every piece of midi hardware in the studio, plus some blanks for walk-ins. Also have 16 audio objects at the ready in every template. My midi router allows 8 ports X 16 channels. That's way more than I'll ever need in this lifetime! Logic can run intense midi and do the audio thing without a hiccup.. great program.
Best, Paul
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#1800791 - 08/26/07 06:49 PM
Re: can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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Agreed on the great program aspect!!!
I am learning about the environment as I go along here, A friend of mine in Vancouver has a monster set up with 4-5 macs running all functions of the studio
( from Midi , to Mastering with about 5 racks of outboard midi devices) all of them are using 6.4.3 so we are in the process of writing alot of the required environment apps to get him up and running and in the process I am getting to know my system really well. We are bouncing ideas off of each other as we proceed .
Back to school time for this kid!
I was really curious about the 1 virtual plug at a time limit as it did not make any sense to me to have that much power but such a limiting short comming in one program!
If you are curious let me know and I will send you the template that Virtual instruments sent me to over come the 1 plug thing!
I havent tried it yet, but will soon as I have just gotten all of the hardware, and software in place.
FYI, you were the only person who responded back to me on this issue on all the forums I was on, including Sonicmatter.
thanks again
Paris
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#1801053 - 08/27/07 09:27 AM
Re: can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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Hey,Paul
Im cautious about the latest greatest/new, as good as it sounds its never what you have now, ie. protools 7 designed to work with tiger so everyone runs out and buys the latest and greatest ( upgrade 300.00 us), and os 10.4 only to find that ALL of your plugs have to be registered on an ILOK key and for 100.00 us per year you can buy insurance for your ILOK , also for 25.00 us per app you can transfer the authorization to an other ILOK key then for 200.00us you can upgrade your Digi 002 to run in OS 10.4 tiger. that works perfectly well in OS 10.3.9.
I only have 2 motu apps that require an Ilok Mach 5 and MX 4 and I will not get any more.
conversely I have stuck with OS 10.3.9 Protools 6.9 all my plugs are free registered
and other than the motu do not require an ilok.
I am looking at going to Logic 7 but earlier renditions had serious bugs and later ones had the bugs worked out, and I will read the fine print to see if or how I have to modify my newly functioning system to accomodate this, I'm just really cautious here as I almost went to Pro 7 before it hit me what had to be adjusted and what it would cost to do so.
Logic Pro 6 works right up to OS 10.4.4 or 10.4.6 before you have compatability issues( I cant quite remember).
I will send you the template
thanks again
Paris
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#1801308 - 08/27/07 05:52 PM
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Paris,
Yup, if there's one thing that Apple and Digi do flawlessly it's to make money! They used to call this "nickel and dime-ing" the customer, but this is way beyond that. If you get a minute, attach that template to a PM and send it over.
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#1801506 - 08/28/07 04:55 AM
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Digi is truly the king of the nickel and dime. Just look at their history of discontinued/no longer software supported products in the Le line.
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#1801841 - 08/28/07 05:23 PM
Re: can some help with a question about logic pro 6 ,please
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but notice how now that Apple is releasing leopard, Logic is releasing 8, Protools will have their upgrades and all to corespond with "the Latest greatest " controlled obsolecence. Hand in your pocket , Must have new stuff.
only to do what we all have the capabilities to do now
( Motu also released the Mach 5-2 standalone for 200.00 us upgrade) AMAZING how we all lived with out these upgrades, every year.
the new power horse G5 line , intel dual quad, processors, liquid cooled 16 gigs of ram, PCI-express loaded rocket launchers (running at a balmy 1000watts, and need a power plant to operate )will be worth 500.00us in 2 years and we can all buy one then with this years latest , garage band!!!!
Sorry, planned obsolesence is a pet peeve of mine!
its outdated before you get a chance to learn it
Paris
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#1803249 - 08/31/07 11:18 AM
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Hi Paris,
I took a look at the pic, and it didn't really show me anything about the actual instruments, aside from the physical input structure. If I quessed what their 'solution' might be, they have created 2 seperate audio objects and assigned them to Logic instruments. That's a very easy thing to do. Of course the plugins must be authorized for the XSkey to work, otherwise you get a 'no-no' message! I have 3 authorized instruments in a template. Don't think I've ever used them, but they are set up properly. They get set up in the 'Audio' window of the Environment.
If you need some help getting these instruments created, touch base and I'll try to help.
Best, Paul
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#1803425 - 08/31/07 06:37 PM
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Thank You Paul , as I get deeper into this I may take you up on that!
I have 8 plugins in the pro version and a separate SXkey with Host tdm active (Protools app) I have been triing to figure out a way to get Logic pro authorized on that Key as well but may end up getting logic 7 any way.
I have a ton of 3rd paty plugs I use Reason 3.0 and about (75,000 samples aiff and wave) , Mach 5, MX 4, Stylus, Atmosphere, Outerlimits, Arturia's Minimoog, Moog Modular V, Minimonsta, Arp 2600, analogue factory, CUBE ETC. and build these incredable sonic ambient sound scapes. the files move seamlessly from Mach 5 to reason and in Mach 5 I can convert one format directly to another then save it out as an Aiff or wave which i can pick up in Reason to create my own samples, tons of fun for this kid!
I cut my teeth on the original Moogs I had a Minimoog Model D many years ago
as well as Putney VCS3 ( Pink floyds Hammer of choise) and the whole Korg modular and polyphonic 3300 all 60 keys were individual voices and was truly polyphonic ( Looked like a telephone operators Patch bay) so additive and subtractive systhesis is easy for me to follow.
But now with the digital and virtual stuff I have and it all being locked to midi its absolutly outragious, My controller is a Kurzweil K2000, nice stuff on its own.
but with all the gear in the right spot its time for me to learn all I can about logic, its features and how to lay them out . the environment is extremely powerful and I want to nail that aspect first then dive onto the transpose window and get that down.
I found the best way to learn is to keep the systems as simple as possible so you can reach in and grab what you need as you need it.
thank you again
Paris
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#1803850 - 09/01/07 05:42 PM
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very cool,
funny how that stuff sticks to you
Paris
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