#1790075 - 08/01/07 11:18 PM
Will UAD-1 card solve my lag problems?
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TLectual
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I'm thinking about getting one..or two cards. But I heard they only work with their own plug-ins? Is that true? if so what DSP cards work with all plug-ins? I have plenty of plug-ins already...Waves plugs are fine for me...but once I really get rolling in a mix and start adding FX and other plug-ins...my computer starts jarring pretty bad...and I got a 3.2 processor!
any advice please?
Tony
Edited by TLectual (08/01/07 11:19 PM)
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#1790123 - 08/02/07 04:52 AM
Re: Will UAD-1 card solve my lag problems?
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Bill@Welcome Home Studios
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Tony,
The big problem with the UAD cards is the latency.
Yes it is true that they only work with their own plug ins, not anybody elses.
I suggest to you that it is time to commit a mix. I know that it is unpopular to make a decision these days, but if you make up your mind about an eq, compression, or effect and you process it down to the sound file, then the computer does not have to re-compute that same effect package each time you play back the song. So it makes good sense to start rendering effects back to files when you know what you want.
There is also the matter of a well-tuned machine, set up for audio (not games, internet, etc...) Clearing out a lot of background processes can make it easier to get mroe tracks/effects going at once as the computer has to devote fewer CPUs to othe rprograms/processes, so there are mroe left for audio.
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#1790134 - 08/02/07 05:15 AM
Re: Will UAD-1 card solve my lag problems?
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audiorulez
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You don't need to "commit" to a mix, but you can do some submixing of things like drums, guitars, etc, which will lessen your latency issues for overdubbing. Then when mix time comes, you can revert back to the multitracks to mix these properly.
Another good solution is to disable tracks you really don't need. Typcially kick snare and OH are fine for overdubbing, one of mulitple tracks of guitar parts if there are any, etc.
Also, while a mixer's choice of preference, you might consider not getting carried away with the plugins while still tracking, and concentrate more on getting the sounds right going in, eliminating the need for the plugins until mix time, where a bit of eq and dynamics makes the track shine easily.
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#1791666 - 08/05/07 07:00 PM
Re: Will UAD-1 card solve my lag problems?
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TLectual
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Thank you guys for your responses by the way.
Well I produce electronica and I always have at least 30-40 tracks going due to all the layering and many elements...all my instruments are from MIDI and VST instruments/synths.
On the idea of rendering down to a wave file, I have tried doing that from MIDI tracks and I keep seeming to lose a small amount of quality from the original sound I get from the midi instrument itself. I use Cubase SX 3... I don't know if this is something due to the software or settings? but I do hear a small difference when I render down?
yeah audiorulez,I could get better about my grouping and sub-mixing where I can, I'm lazy about that:)
well basically the real question: I'm looking to make around a $2,000 quality(my 1st of this size) investment to my all digital studio - to help beef it up and take it to the next level, and I'm seriously considering the UAD-1e Extreme Pack or the SSL Duende...(or maybe even a nice synth???
If any advice can be given on any of these points it will be very appreciated?:>:> Thanks
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#1791670 - 08/05/07 07:18 PM
Re: Will UAD-1 card solve my lag problems?
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Griffinator
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The UAD-1 isn't going to help your latency problem.
Those VST instruments are CPU killers. Your best bet is to print the output from those plugs once you're happy with the patch. That'll reduce your CPU overhead big time. As to the "quality" change, that's probably something in your MIDI rendering settings. I'm not as familiar with the guts of Cubase, so I couldn't tell you where to start digging. I will tell you, though, that you'll have the same "change" in the final mixdown anyway, so you may as well adjust to it (and alter your mix for it) beforehand.
Meanwhile, put your $2K into a major system upgrade, or invest it in your front end (DA converters, mic pres, etc) to get you closer to not needing FX to "clean up" your live instrument and vocal tracks.
Edited by Griffinator (08/05/07 07:23 PM)
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