#1757315 - 05/25/07 09:57 PM
Trying to recreate panning technique, but failing....
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Rit
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Hello all. There's this great panning technique I've been trying to reproduce for a couple of years, but I can't seem to get it right. The first time I heard it, (now don't laugh), is on the old Rick Wakeman live album, "Journey to the Center of the Earth". At the very end, and this is apparent only when listening with headphones, the sound moves to the upper left quadrant, about 45 degrees, and slowly fades, and as it fades it seems to be moving away from the listener.
I've tried going mono, panning the sound and lowering the volume, but I'm not getting the effect that they got on that recording. Any tips will be greatly appreciated.
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#1758752 - 05/29/07 12:38 PM
Re: Trying to recreate panning technique, but failing....
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As a Wakeman fan I won't laugh at you, but I think the Wives of King Henry XIII is a better album. I appreciate The Journey though and it provides an entertaining listen. Oh yea this is about panning, right?
I'm not an expert on the subject but I would think you would have to go stereo to get this type of effect. It is difficult to pan complex sound movements with just mono. I'm not completely sure about this but if you are stuck this might be a good thing to try.
Good luck
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#1758824 - 05/29/07 02:33 PM
Re: Trying to recreate panning technique, but failing....
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Bill@Welcome Home Studios
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Offset the timing between the tracks by a few MS. The ear will hear the earlier track as the 'direction' from which the sound comes. Much more impressive than a pan.
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#1758859 - 05/29/07 03:29 PM
Re: Trying to recreate panning technique, but failing....
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Bill offers a neat trick, but I wonder how they did this before digital. I looked for a copy, but couldn't find it to listen. Wasn't that track from the 70s? If I was trying it back then, as mentioned I'd start with a fully spread stereo image summed to the main outs sub-bus(1). Slowly bring the right side to, then past the straight up position.
Reverb can be a key to depth perception. When it's time to fade, keep any reverb out of the fade. IOW, set all reverb sends to pre-fader, then to the reverb, and return the reverb to a different sub-bus(2) from the main track.
Do the source fade at main track sub-bus(1). You could then finalize the fadeout by lowering the reverb sub-bus(2). Of course you need to do the main fade while there's still enough source to feed the reverb. It works to move background singers in and out of the mix, mabee it would work here. Just a thought.
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#1759317 - 05/30/07 10:36 AM
Re: Trying to recreate panning technique, but failing....
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Rit
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Thanks for the tips. As this was a live recording, I'm thinking this was done "post" in the studio. I have tried this stereo as well as mono, didn't mean to confuse. I'll try to decipher all of these instructions. Presently I've just finished a third CD, and please don't laugh again, but my studio is a Roland 1680 with 20 gig harddrive, a couple of good mics, and I wing it. Hope to move up to ProTools within the year. I have been doing sound and recording for, good heavens, it's been 20 or so years, so by now I kind of know what I'm doing, but for me, it's all in the ears.
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#1763984 - 06/08/07 03:21 AM
Re: Trying to recreate panning technique, but failing....
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Hey Bill do you find that effect works better if the side that comes in slightly later is reverbed and the main side isnt reverbed or barely reverbed? Or is using the same exact sound on each side and just off setting them by a couple milliseconds best?
... I geuss I should probally just go try it myself real quick instead of typing the question here but oh well lol.
P.S on a side note Rit, I got my digi 001 last year for only $250 used(it comes with pro tools le). Pro tools was cheap as hell for only 250 and I like the convertors on the digi 001 just fine too!
Edited by thanksforhelpethan (06/08/07 03:24 AM)
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#1764402 - 06/08/07 05:35 PM
Re: Trying to recreate panning technique, but failing....
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Bill@Welcome Home Studios
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Hey Bill do you find that effect works better if the side that comes in slightly later is reverbed and the main side isnt reverbed or barely reverbed? ....
Like all good tips, there is no cookie-cutter rule, same with the timing difference... it just depends upon the context.
Bill
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