#1691827 - 07/23/06 03:53 PM
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Opinions, please...
We got a nice piece of fan mail about Lee Flier's column, but we're looking for any and all opinions about what we're doing right, and what needs a course correction.
Thanks!
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#1691828 - 08/03/06 09:04 PM
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Just from the cover,there looks to be a TON of useful stuff.
Let you know when I get the chance to sit down next!
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#1691829 - 08/04/06 10:19 PM
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Hi Craig,
I'm writing about the July issue on recording vocals. I don't subscribe to EQ and based on my experience with this issue I won't be. Pretty much every one of the many articles on recording vocals said the same thing, buy an expensive microphone, buy an expensive mic pre and buy pitch correction software. I didn't see anything useful like how to find and eliminate schmotz. There weren't any tips on how to tame backup vocals and get a smooth airy sound. So no useful tips but I'm sure your advertisers are happy with all the suggestions to buy stuff. Who cares how to use it!
If your readers want a useful article that's an entertaining read, google slipperman's recording distorted guitar article. Actually I'll make it easy, here's the link;
http://www.badmuckingfastard.com/sound/slipperman.html
Now that's much more real than anything in the July EQ. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Steve
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#1691830 - 08/09/06 01:46 AM
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You're not. I asked about the August issue because that's the first one where I've been Executive Editor and helped direct the editorial content. It's taken a much more applications-oriented approach, which all of us at EQ feel is more relevant to what people really need.
We certainly don't have anything against people buying gear, but we also think it's really important they get the most out of the gear they have, and above all, use it creatively.
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#1691831 - 08/09/06 01:51 AM
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Oh, and one more thing: We're really trying to stress in reviews what a product is for more than whether a particular reviewer likes it or not. The assumption is that if readers know what something does and what it's intended to do, they're adult enough to decide whether it's something that would be useful to them or not.
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#1691832 - 08/09/06 02:07 AM
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And I noticed that you characterized my pitch correction article in that issue as "buy pitch correction software." I don't think you can show me anything in the article that says that. But what I can do is present some quotes from the article, and people can make up their own minds about my recommendations regarding pitch correction software (italics added for emphasis):
"If a singer is having pitch issues, don’t automatically reach for a fix: The problem may be a symptom of something deeper. For example, if the monitor level is too low and the singer can’t hear the vocals well enough to produce proper pitch, the vocals might be sung at too low a level as well, which leads to dynamics issues. Pitch problems might also mean a singer who’s tired, in which case the performance itself will suffer — not just pitch. As with so many aspects of recording, check for the root of the problem and try to solve that, rather than put a band-aid on the symptoms."
"And if you do need a fix, try punching first. I believe that processors such as pitch correction are a last resort to be used sparingly, unless you’re consciously using the process as an effect. No matter how little the pitch corrector messes with the sound — and these days, pitch correction algorithms are uncanny in their ability to fix problems unobtrusively — a natural vocal will always be, well, more natural."
"Finally, just because you can fix something doesn’t mean you should. It’s like the early days of MIDI quantization...here’s a quick story. I had just fired up a Commodore-64 MIDI sequencer and called up Spencer Brewer, a superb piano player with a great “touch,” to check it out. He played into it, and as we looked at the data, he was shocked at how “bad” his timing was compared to the quantized “ideal.” So we quantized it, and his beautiful expressiveness disappeared faster than Kenny G at a Nine Inch Nails concert. The lesson: His timing was fine; it was the sequencer that didn’t understand music.
So it is with pitch correction. When you start using pitch correction, you’ll see that your voice has all kind of “pitch problems.” But despite the superb graphical tools present in today’s programs, listen with your ears, not your eyes. Fix only those notes that sound wrong. If a note’s a little off pitch, don’t worry about it. Quantizing pitch and rhythm too tightly can remove much of a vocal’s expressiveness."
"Some people have commented to me that using pitch correction is a hassle, what with drawing in little changes and such. Hello?!? What they're really saying is either the singer couldn't sing (solution: new singer, not extensive pitch correction) or they were obsessing over the vocal just because they could...It's been said that the government that governs least, governs best...and so it is with pitch correction."
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#1691833 - 08/09/06 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by Anderton:
...It's been said that the government that governs least, governs best...and so it is with pitch correction."
I believe that the Anarchists Manefesto runs something along the lines of "There is no government like NO government." Just my opinion, but to quote a well known fellow in these parts, "...and so it is with pitch correction."
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#1691834 - 08/09/06 10:52 AM
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Hi Craig,
Thanks for taking the time to address my concerns. To be honest by the time I got to the pitch correction article I was a bit "done with it" and that's a bit unfair to your article.
So let me say congratulations on being Executive Director as of the August issue. You now know my concerns and I appreciate your focus on a more practical approach. Sorry if I hit a nerve and frankly this issue is why I no longer subscribe to any music magazines. It seems there's great information available on the web that's easier to access.
So here're some thought for content going forward. How to EQ, hint don't EQ for a full sound, the low mids of all the tracks will add up to mush. How much reverb is too much (less than you think). Mastering, isn't it more than limiting the life out of your song? Room acoustics for poor people, build your own bass traps, diffusion for dummies. Mic placement for the rest of us. You get the idea.
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#1691835 - 08/09/06 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by pantonality:
... this issue is why I no longer subscribe to any music magazines. It seems there's great information available on the web that's easier to access.
Unforunately, this is a faulty possition and has turned the majority of the trades into little more than publicity organs for the gear manufacturers.
Asking the audience what they want to read about is like asking your children what they want for dinner. Be prepared to serve a lot of ice cream and chocolate cake. But your kids need a lot more than ice cream and chocolate cake. And so does the audience for the industry trades on this level.
Personally, I like to read about and write about the broader issues. I also like to read other peoples takes on the technologies and science behind the music. So often some clever writer has a way of describing something that I have been reading about for years, that will make that subject perfectly clear in the minds of any reader.
All the basics have been covered, but every couple of years a new crowd joins the fold, and they need the basics described for them.
Articles that grow and build are always a great idea and keep readed coming back to see the next installment.
Too much of the rest of the picture is being ignored. Distribution, copyright, replication, delivery, rights management.... I could probably go on and on.
It is also important to cover pieces of the rest of the world. Rolling Stone covers politics, for example. There is life outside of the dark room with the big glass and blinking lights.
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#1691836 - 08/09/06 01:40 PM
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Pantonality and Bill, Amen. I agree with you guys pretty much 100%. In fact you're the kind of people we're targeting in the new issues. I'd also like to comment on:
<<...Frankly this issue is why I no longer subscribe to any music magazines. It seems there's great information available on the web that's easier to access.>>
I for one am a tremendous booster of the web and its potential. But I also feel that there are things print can do that the web can't, otherwise I wouludn't be doing the EQ thing.
A good example is how we're handling ToolBox these days. "New gear" sections used to be one of the most popular parts of a magazine, and many publications have just gone on "auto-pilot" and ignored the fact that by the time a new gear thing appears in print, it's already old news on the web.
So we forged a partnership with Harmony Central, which puts press releases on their home page every day. That's fine, but it changes so fast you really have to check in every day to make sure you don't miss something. So what EQ is doing is taking a "newsfeed" from Harmony Central where we excerpt a few lines about new products, include a link and sometimes a picture, and that's it. We can include a much greater number of product releases, including the little updates and stuff that magazines usually don't have space to cover; it's like a "Reader's Digest" version of what happened that month. And it even benefits HC fans, because if they don't have the time to check in, they can find out the "greatest hits" by reading EQ.
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#1691837 - 08/09/06 01:46 PM
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We've added four new columnists to the mag for precisely this reason. I really look forward to getting their columns each month so I can see what they're up to, and I hope readers feel the same way.
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Please do! We have a very cool article scheduled for September on music distribution, it had some things in there that blew me away. In October, we're doing a major piece on podcasting -- another means of music distribution, but also another possible income stream for studios.
I should add there still is great interest in gear, and we don't want to abandon those readers. But we very much want to talk more about using gear. We get the space to do that by not really dealing with specs, we just tell people to go to the web for those.
Your comments are VERY encouraging because what you want to see is what we think people want to see. I can't guarantee we'll always succeed in giving you what you want, but we do hope each issue has something for everybody.
Thanks again for the instructive dialog.
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#1691838 - 08/09/06 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Bill@Welcome Home Studios:
Asking the audience what they want to read about is like asking your children what they want for dinner. Be prepared to serve a lot of ice cream and chocolate cake.
There's been too many occasions over the last 2-3 years that whenever discussions come up about EQ’s direction...the MP/EQ folks end up asking..."What should we write about...what should we be doing different?"...etc...
...and maybe it's just me, but that sure comes off as though THEY don't really know what/how to write...???
And that's a bit disconcerting.... 
Personally, I like to read about and write about the broader issues. I also like to read other peoples takes on the technologies and science behind the music. So often some clever writer has a way of describing something that I have been reading about for years, that will make that subject perfectly clear in the minds of any reader.
Yeah...we are all "gear sluts"...nothing new there...but there are different ways of bringing attention to certain gear and it's value/purpose…AND application.
The last few years...most articles are short-skim-the-surface blasts that have NO CHANCE IN HELL of getting at anything deep.
I don't know if the authors don't have much to say...or of the editors don't want them to say it past one...rarely two pages or more...???
And the August issue is not any different...lots of "general info"...but not much depth.
There are mostly one page articles….stating the obvious…and as pantonality noted, it’s just much easier and faster these days to get THAT kind of “quick blast” info on the Internet.
As an example of some perfectly accurate but totally useless info...
The "How The Hell They Did It" article implies that some deeper secrets/methods would be reveled...
...but this is what you got:
EQ: I see you have an SSl 4000G+ in your studio. How often do you use the onboard gates and compression in your mixes?
BC: A fair amount. I do a tricky patch that turns the equalizer and the compressor, in fast limit mode, on one channel into an automated de-esser for the lead vocal on an adjacent channel. The gates are handy in "expand" mode for getting rid of unwanted noise, or reducing hi-hat bleed in the snare mic.
EQ: How much compression do you use during your mix?
BC: Also a fair amount, but it really depends on the recording.
EQ: Do you rely heavily on room tones?
BC: Sometimes. It sure helps to have a nice stereo pair of drum room mics for rear surround channels, even if they're not used in the stereo mix.
EQ: Do you ever use a 2-bus compressor for your mix?
BC: Always, as well as a six-channel compressor that's slaved off the stereo compressor for the surround. It's actually a little mod we did on my SSL using it's "patchable VCAs".
NOTHING.
And…the method/line of questioning that was used…didn’t do much to make him get deeper, to really let the readers in on BC’s approaches…on his “mindset”.
It’s all very much like watching CNN or FOX 24/7 news channels…you get sound bytes…and often JUST as the guest starts heading toward some “meat” in the story…the newsperson doing the interview says, “Ok, sorry but we’ve run out of time now…and we have to go to a break.”…and then after the break they go to a new story!
Heck…everyone seems to think that the average person has only a 3-5 minute attention span…so they feed that beast by reducing “information” to a sound byte!
Boy do I hate that…makes me wanna’ throw something at the TV set.
And I kinda’ wanna’ throw the magazines across the room when I flip the page hoping to read on…and then I realize…THAT’S IT…THAT was the whole article…one page of superficial blah blah…
As I said…the August issue was mostly that…one page “primers”…and no follow-up or real depth for most of them.
And it's not just EQ.
In the August issue of MIX there is an interview with Geoff Emerick.
Hey...love Geoff...love the Beatles...
...but shit...I've read the same interview in 2-3 other magazines already.
Same thing goes for Eddie Kramer interviews...always the same Jimi questions.
It's like these guys only existed for that short period of their lives...and then the get to relive it over and over in some "Groundhog Day" type magazine interview scenario... 
I didn’t even bother reading the Geoff Emerick interview in MIX…as I already new the questions and the answers… :rolleyes:
OK…I’ll stop there…
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#1691839 - 08/10/06 12:10 AM
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Just in the section you quoted, where you said Clearmountain said "nothing," actually there were quite a few interesting points:
1. Despite the purist approach that it's evil to throw compression on your two-track, Clearmountain said he did it ALWAYS and even did six tracks of compression on surround. This is a very hot topic in various forums, and the fact that BC goes against the prevailing "I'm just so much purer than you" attitude du jour is interesting. It also definitely gives some insights into the guy: He has no desire to impress you with how hip he is, he goes his own way.
2. Of course, you know all about how to use expanders, so you didn't find those comments interesting. But there are a lot of people who don't really exploit the expansion options in their dynamics processors, and they likely did find what he said interesting...especially that some mixers will let you do that, you don't always need external gear.
3. And as someone who has been asked to have my material remixed for 5.1, I sure wish I'd read the part about recording room mics even if you had no plans to use them in a stereo mix. Maybe you just think I'm stupid for not having considered that, but I didn't, and I bet other people haven't either.
Magazines can only survive if they appeal to a broad spectrum of readers. There have been magazines that tried to appeal to the creme de la creme, like RE/P, Studio Sound, and the early db. None of them survived, while a magazine like Recording, which pretty much caters to newcomers, does just fine. I would like EQ to sit somewhere in between those extremes. If it's not advanced enough for you, okay, no hard feelings. There are other people for whom it's not basic enough. As we get more pages, we can cover more "minority" topics at the ends of the bell curve.
Meanwhile, I suggest you spend your time doing things other than reading magazines. I feel the same way about movies you do about media; that there's not really much there for me. Yet clearly, as they rake in hundreds of millions of dollars, they've found and satisified an audience. So instead of going to movies, I hang out with my family, which is a much more interesting movie  . If media drives you nuts, turn off the TV, put down the magazines, and do something you DO enjoy.
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#1691840 - 08/10/06 12:22 AM
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<<...and maybe it's just me, but that sure comes off as though THEY don't really know what/how to write...???>>
The problem is that there are too MANY things to write about, not too few, and I have some pretty esoteric tastes. So I don't need help in figuring out what to write about, I need feedback about whether the choices I've made about what to write about are good ones.
For example, I love trance music. If I wrote some articles about trance and got an avalanche of letters saying "Jeez, stop writing about that crap," that's one thing. But if there were a ton of letters saying "Wow, thanks for turning me on to that stuff, it's great!" then I would write more.
The reason why I reviewed Kore was specifically because of all the forum posts I read of people saying "so what exactly does it do?" The review so far has gotten a good response, so it does help to listen to what people want to know.
I wasn't asking people to tell me what to write about for the September issue. I was asking people what they liked and didn't like about the August issue. You want much fewer articles that are longer and more in-depth. (You didn't say fewer, but given that the number of pages is fixed, longer articles = fewer articles.) Your vote has been tallied
The comments about covering a broader range of more peripheral topics, such as distribution, has also been tallied. And so on.
The greatest volume of favorable comments we've received by far have been regarding applications-oriented articles. People want more of those; they want to know how to use stuff creatively. So it was a no-brainer that if that's what a huge number of people wanted, that would be our priority. The "thought pieces" have not done as well. Maybe they weren't done right or didn't have the right writers, but for whatever reason, they didn't pull.
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#1691841 - 08/10/06 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Anderton:
Meanwhile, I suggest you spend your time doing things other than reading magazines.  …and television has also become quite the bore, to where I am able to surf the net and watch TV at the same time, as there is not enough depth in either one alone to keep me deeply focused.
Heck...some days I have the TV on, and I'm surfing the net, while also flipping through the latest EQ...
…all at the same time.
You see…one of the benefits of being able to “surface skim” is that it allows you to multitask a lot easier. 
When either a movie or a good article….or even some interesting item on the web…pulls me in deep enough so that I stop “surface skimming”…and really dig in...
...I do enjoy that!
Though it’s rare these days.
Tape Op still gets me involved...though I know you've said in the past that EQ is not intersted in being Tape Op...which is fine.
I'm just giving an example of the type of trade magazine that still manages to keep me reading, and not just surface skimming.
And I couldn't tell you exactly what it is about Tape Op that keeps me reading...???
It just does.
Originally posted by Anderton:
The greatest volume of favorable comments we've received by far have been regarding applications-oriented articles. People want more of those; they want to know how to use stuff creatively.
...is that you CAN'T possibly give the newbies enough insight into the creative application of some piece of gear or some studio technique...or the life of some “name”…
...in a one-page article.
All they can get is a few “tips”…and mostly fluff.
Heck...that is one of the reasons I see lots of posts on the forums that go something like this:
Hey guys, I'm new to this forum. I went out and bought an "XYZ" mixer....and I also downloaded a copy of "XYZ" DAW software.
The guy at the music store told me the these "XYZ" mics are real good...but now I don’t know if I'm supposed to plug the mic into the computer...or should I plug the output of the computer into the mixer...and what kind of cables do I need…
…and oh by the way, does the computer need to have some kind of audio card, and where does it go and what does it do?
Boy, I really hope someone can answer these questions for me, as I'm planning on recording my band (and a few other bands) in the next couple of weeks.
And THAT is no exaggeration!
So my point is...if you are going to take the time to do how-to articles...and use up precious, costly hardcopy space...
...then give 'em something they can really sink their teeth into.
Answer those questions that they have…with some greater detail, and some knowledgeable depth.
Otherwise, they are at the mercy of music store "sales people" that don't know much more than they do, as it's probably just an after school/summertime jobs for most.
Or these newbies bounce around on the Internet getting all kinds of “information”....but they have no idea how to really put it all together.
When I was starting out, I got a lot of my deeper information…from the trade magazines. Articles just seem to go longer…they covered all angles…answered questions I didn’t even know that I needed answered…
…and the light bulbs went off big time!
So...having Bob Clearmountain provide answers like "always" and "sometimes"...isn't going to say much to those people that are in serious need of "how-to" knowledge.
Me...I just like an entertaining read these days...even if it is about something I already know...as long as it's done with some depth, and maybe with a slightly new perspective...something to make me go "Hey, that sounds cool...I'll have to give it a try”…or…“Hmmm…I didn’t know THAT about Bob Clearmountain”…etc. 
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#1691842 - 08/11/06 09:33 AM
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Craig, I would like to see more depth in some of the articles myself. It's difficult, I know, to straddle the balance between newbies & experienced folks, but I believe it can be done. Perhaps an approach like this: shorter, just-the-facts articles aimed at the new folks coupled with fewer but more in-depth articles that really get into techniques; maybe following a theme, maybe not. (I'm not a big fan of regular "theme" issues, generally, but now & then...)
I have found good inspiration in hearing exactly how someone does a given task - not that I'd do what they did every time, but it does spawn other ideas: "Hmm, Bob did A-B-C in this case, I have something similar, let's try A-B-D..." See what I mean?
I asked you a similar question about using Live once, and while I appreciated your answer at the time about finding my own approach because of the many ways of using it, I was trying to do exactly that - and I did find, on the Ableton forum, a thread where many people said more specifically how they themselves used Live & their related equipment. For me, that was very educational - not that I'd just jump in & emulate someone (NTTAWWT) but it gave glimmers of light into a vast darkness for me. (BTW, I REALLY enjoyed your recent article on using Live in SOS, and I'm going to go down & grab Pt. 2 shortly - this is the kind of thing I'm talking about.)
Another example is when I saw you give a PARIS demonstration many years ago. The most memorable moment, that I've carried with me for years, was when you showed how to sweep with a parametric filter to find built-up resonances in a track, and to cut that out to get the track to sit. I've used that from time to time, but it also got me to look at frequency content of a source in a different way, which has helped me a lot over the years.
(BTW, I'm not trying to suck up. :p I just wanted to give you a couple of 'personal' examples that maybe you could relate to better.)
I know that some guys play close to the vest & don't want to reveal their "secrets", but maybe it would serve the more experienced folks as well as the newbies to pick apart their approach to specific cases. I agree that it doesn't serve the many to simply state "I put the SSL compressor through the Neve EQ, and it sounds phenom! Nothing like it!" - but instead, consider someone's individual approach to sidechain, or EQ choices & why they did it and specifically WHAT they did with it...and maybe ask them how they might approach the same problem with more limited means.
On a side note - regarding what miroslav is saying about how-do-I-hook-up-this-stuff questions, maybe someone could add some basic FAQ-type stuff to the website, with generic diagrams maybe, and the magazine could just send people there? "For more information, go to [url=http://www.musicplayer.com/basics/studio_setup.html"]http://www.musicplayer.com/basics/studio_setup.html"[/url]
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#1691843 - 08/11/06 09:54 AM
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Not a bad idea...but the problem is that we now have this forum dichotomy...as there seems to be more of a focus by the new EQ exec to send people to the Harmony Central forums for additional “info”...than here to the Music Player forums, the home of EQ.
And I find that a bit…weird…
...how all of that “works” for the MP Group folks…???
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#1691844 - 08/11/06 09:56 AM
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#1691845 - 08/11/06 09:56 AM
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Boy...the "SUBMIT" button musta' jammed!!!
I hit a triple!!! 
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#1691846 - 08/11/06 10:28 AM
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Well, my URL was just an example. Since they have a partnership, there is no dichotomy, and they can decide where best to host such a thing.
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#1691847 - 08/11/06 01:06 PM
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Well...I guess it depends on how one looks at it.
I'm just going on the fact that when the forums split last year...the reasons that were given were based on differences in direction/opinion...and so those forums/people that left did so because they were looking for something different than what MP had or where MP was going (or supposed to be going).
To me...that's a dichotomy.
Now if in fact after a year has passed we are finding that actually there are parallel/overlapping directions/ideas...then I guess that split last year was not needed...but it's too late now.
So I'm kinda' concerned that if people keep getting pointed toward HC in order to get follow-up info that originates in EQ...
…well, these forums here will most certainly become a ghost town after awhile....
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#1691848 - 08/11/06 04:28 PM
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A dichotomy is a division of conflicting or mutually exclusive groups. If they have an agreement to work together, there is no conflict or mutual exclusivity.
As for the forums, I frequent several forum myself, both audio-related and otherwise. There's no reason one has to overshadow another. I also don't lie awake nights worrying about whether they will be there in the morning. I think that horse has long since died.
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#1691849 - 08/11/06 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Christopher Robin:
A dichotomy is a division of conflicting or mutually exclusive groups. If they have an agreement to work together, there is no conflict or mutual exclusivity.
So at the time...it sure seemed to me that a dichotomy existed.
OK...so now we have “agreements”...and we've kinda' come full circle...except that there are now two parallel forum sites…more similar than different.
As for the forums, I frequent several forum myself, both audio-related and otherwise. There's no reason one has to overshadow another. I also don't lie awake nights worrying about whether they will be there in the morning. I think that horse has long since died.
So if we no longer have a dichotomy here...then that must mean we have overlap, and as I said above…quite a lot of similarity/duplication.
Since there IS overlap/similarity...that is exactly what may cause more and more people to eventually just pick one forum over another.
And I while I too do not lay at night worrying about whether some forums will be there in the morning or not...
...I also do have a certain sense of "community", and I view the MP forums as my "home base".
So I would prefer to have this place remain on it's own...rather than watch it be “assimilated by the collective”...
You may feel different...and that's cool.
And hey…maybe none of that will happen...?
I was only stating that it seemed a bit weird to be directing people from EQ magazine to go to the HC forums for certain info...rather than directing them here to the MP forums and to the EQ Magazine Forum...don't you think...?
But let’s get back to the “EQ magazine content” discussion…
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#1691851 - 08/11/06 05:58 PM
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#1691853 - 08/11/06 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by miroslav:
I was just pointing out that many of the reasons given for the division that occurred last year were based around potential conflicting directions.
So at the time...it sure seemed to me that a dichotomy existed.
Where there, in fact, was none. Both entities have the same base qualities in they are both, MP and HC, music related in their overall context.
OK...so now we have “agreements”...and we've kinda' come full circle...except that there are now two parallel forum sites…more similar than different.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. You were bitching about a perceived dichotomy and that statement is a negative remark about the similarities.
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#1691855 - 08/12/06 12:25 AM
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Hello?!? I'm here responding to you, at least I think so...unless I have acquired some strange sort of spectral presence where subharmonics of my HC presence somehow manifest here.
Did I post this thread on HC? No. I'm starting to think you're complaining about things just for the sake of complaining...and yes, the audio examples I create are still going on the EQ site.
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#1691856 - 08/12/06 12:30 AM
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Cool. You'll find more and more of that as we get past "legacy" articles and obligations, and EQ gets more fully into its new character.
One of the "rules" I laid down was no more laundry lists of gear unless people said WHY they use particular gear. And if they say they used a particular patch or something, we now expect them to describe that patch. We're getting there
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