#1682957 - 07/11/05 10:31 AM
Archiving project files - How to do it?
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gaotu
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I guess it's to the point where I need to start freeing up HD space and putting all these projects I have onto something external. The most obvious answer for me is to use my built-in DVD burner. I have a PC running XP Home. The DVD buring software that I have appears only to work for movies. Is there a way to do it with something already in XP or do I need to get some other software... and what is that software? Or... other external storage suggestions would be good to. Thanks.
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#1682958 - 07/11/05 11:15 AM
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Well, I don't really know how a PC handles/sees a blank DVD, but in Apple, all I do is pop a blank in, and the system shows it on the desktop as blank, and I can simply drag and drop files over to it, and burn. The computer sees it as a 4.7GB storage device, really.
As for projects, I always make sure I've compacted the file, first--getting rid of any unwanted takes, and clearing out the memory buffer for edits, that sort of stuff--then I just drag the whole project folder over to the DVD, and burn.
If I want to go back and work on a project later--add tracks, or remix, or whatever--then I re-transfer the file from DVD to the working hard drive, and have at it.
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#1682959 - 07/11/05 11:24 AM
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for dvd/cd burning on PC nero is the best app..
http://nero.com
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#1682960 - 07/11/05 05:14 PM
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If you are truly archiving (ie you ar done with the files and ready to put them into long term storage) then I'd recommend what we recommend to our clients, an HDD backup and a DVD backup. the rule being nothing is backed up til it's backed up twice, this gives both a mechanical and optical version. Seal them airtight with a couple silica gel packs, and store them in a low humidity and temperature low light environment. Every 3-5 years, back them up again on the current popular formats.
The optical backup is done as data, not music.
If these are ongoing projects, first off they should not be on your system drive, and they should be backed up twice already, or thus you risk losing all this data forever.
FW is the method of choice for us for ongoing projects. Faster than USB 2.0, inexpensive, and very reliable.
FWIW we use a Firedock system. We have two firedocks and piles of drives, so we can easily drag and drop to copy from one to another.
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#1682961 - 07/11/05 08:14 PM
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Matt.Hepworth
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Originally posted by where02190:
FW is the method of choice for us for ongoing projects. Faster than USB 2.0, inexpensive, and very reliable.
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More to the subject:
Archiving is not only backing up your audio files (wav, etc.), but is filing the audio in a state from which progress can be recovered at a later point. So, in addition to the wav files, all channels should be rendered individually with effects and clearly labeled. Channels with stereo effects should be rendered as stereo files and all auxes should be rendered separately. Yes, this will leave you with a large amount of files, but they alone will represent all the time, effort, and money invested so far.
I do the following:
1. The project data folders and sequencer files if it's a project that I may work on again within the next year or less.
2. Individual raw, unaffected wav files rendered in their entirety so all files will line up.
3. A render of each file in its entirety with its effects, but not auxes. Stereo if stereo effects are involved and mono if not.
4. A render of each auxillary in stereo.
5. A copy of wav files of all mixes and masters.
All files must be very clearly labeled for recognition.
Then repeat. I do the first set to DVD+R and the second set to DVD-R or HDD. The DVD-R's should be a different brand from the DVD+R's to present the best chance of wide system compatibilty.
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#1682962 - 07/11/05 10:53 PM
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gaotu
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Thanks guys. This is helpful stuff. At my smaller level, I think I will just stick with the DVD method until I'm attracting higher paying and bigger clients.
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#1682963 - 07/11/05 11:57 PM
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where02190
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Originally posted by Matt.Hepworth: Originally posted by where02190:
FW is the method of choice for us for ongoing projects. Faster than USB 2.0, inexpensive, and very reliable.
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#1682964 - 07/12/05 02:06 AM
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Matt.Hepworth
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Originally posted by where02190:
Wrong, but a common misconception, since the max speed of USB 2.0 is 480Mb/sec vs FW 400's 400. However, the sustained throughput of FW400 far exceeds that of USB2.0, and in head to head transfers the FW400 drive will be much faster than the USB2.0.
Despite that, I've seen stats before where USB 2.0 is completely trounced by Firewire. Maybe it's cables, who knows why the inconsistency is, but notice that I did fully recommend Firewire as the superior format. My drives use both connections and I run USB 2.0, but if I had to pick one type it would be Firewire, since I trust it more.
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#1682965 - 07/12/05 02:10 AM
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Matt.Hepworth
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Look at this showing quite the opposite!
http://www.frozentech.com/?p=7
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#1682966 - 07/12/05 08:49 AM
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The cunfousion lays in that USB2.0 has a max speed of 480mb/sec vs fw 400. However, USB2.0 cannot sustain that, the result being at the end of the race down the pipe, FW400 will transfer the big file faster than USB2.0.
However both will work fine. You may find USB2.0 will choke a big quicker when your track count gets high, the real difference comes with transfers and backups.
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#1682967 - 07/12/05 11:53 AM
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So... I've got an external box for a IDE/ATA drive. It then converts to USB 2.0 or Firewire. Do I go Firewire for this case too? Or doesn't it make a diff?
I'm lost... 
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#1682968 - 07/12/05 12:25 PM
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Does the box use the Oxford 911/922 chipset? It's pretty much a requirement for audio and FW.
Definitely go Firewire if you can.
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#1682969 - 07/12/05 02:29 PM
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Personally I use a DVD burner and FW / HDD solution for backups. On my PC I have 3 physical disks (all partitioned up), of which my SATA drive is the scratch disk, IDE0 is the operating system and IDE1 is the Project backup disk. I also backup projects to DVD when I've finished with them.
On my Powerbook (which is only really used for Logic and mobile work), I've partitioned it up to OS and Scratch, backing up to my external Formac Firewire drive and again use DVD to backup.
It works for me but your mileage may vary. Oh and process-wise, I'd like to reiterate what Matt Hepworth said, it can be very useful. I also backup my files (both raw and with rendered VSTi's and effects) to OMF format. As well as the original Picture with dialogue tracks on the filesystem of the DVD.
The average project I work on takes about 3-5 DVD's to fill though when I start doing feature length it can get much more intensive.
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#1682970 - 07/12/05 03:13 PM
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Lee Knight
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Originally posted by where02190:
Does the box use the Oxford 911/922 chipset? It's pretty much a requirement for audio and FW.
Definitely go Firewire if you can.
I'll check into this... thanks.
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#1682971 - 07/12/05 04:11 PM
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where02190
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No if this is purley data archive, then it is not necessary, however since it's not any additional cost (most fw enclosures are OXford 911/922 chipsets) then you can run the session directly from the fw drive.
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