#1681999 - 06/15/05 11:23 PM
i have 12 hours with a DPS24
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Sean Eldon
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so i sold my buddy's akai dps24 for him on ebay, and the guy is picking it up tomorrow. i brought it home to format it and install the latest OS so it'll be ready to roll, and can't help but think of how cool looking (probably due to it's size) this thing is.
we sold this one for 1,225. Is that about what they go for used? i wouldn't mind buying one down the road, because there are certain times people want recordings of their live shows, and I'm not bringing a computer, desk, controller, monitors, interfaces, preamps, etc to do that. would i be expanding my business by investing in this unit some time in the future?
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#1682000 - 06/16/05 08:00 AM
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Bill@Welcome Home Studios
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Originally posted by Sean Eldon:
...i wouldn't mind buying one down the road, because there are certain times people want recordings of their live shows, and I'm not bringing a computer, desk, controller, monitors, interfaces, preamps, etc to do that.
...would i be expanding my business by investing in this unit some time in the future?  )
OR: buy a laptop, and allow it to do double duty. (As a laptop, and as a recorder with some external audio interface, running the software that you already own.)
Would you be expanding your business? well, how many live gigs do you have now? So the answer -might- be 'yes'. For how many of your potential clients would this machine prove to be adequate? In other words, might I, the client, turn you down because Joe Blow has a laptop and a Firewire (or similar)interface, running software that I am familiar with (or have at least heard of) and with some name brand converters and preamps on the front end?
I don't know this machine... 12 faders, 24 channels... will it record all 24 at once? In reading the specs, this definitey wasn't clear as they have a statement about all 24 channels being able to be hooked up at once because there are 24 XLR inputs, but nothing about being able to record 24 channels, all at once.
I used to be a big fan of stand alone recorders, and I have owned a couple. And I liked the Akai that I owned.... it sounded okay, back then. But today, I think that a laptop based solution -might- have more value. I don't like the fact that you are locked in when you buy one of these things. With a laptop, if you want to change a part, you don't have to loose the whole and re-learn a new system. So if you want to change the preamps, you just buy new preamps and plug them in. If you want to change the converters, you just buy new converters and plug them in. You can't do that with a stand alone recorder. So upgrading becomes expensive, and also a learning chore. Just my paradigm.
Don't forget that, for live recording, you'll also want to own at least 24 transformer balanced splitters, a boatload of mic cable, snakes, extra mics (because the PA usually doesn't have enough, and because you'll want crowd response mics that the PA would not carry). You might also want to carry your own vocal mics, after you hear some of the crap that gets put up in clubs. (20 year old 58s that have their original grilles and have never been cleaned...and they stink!!!!  )
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#1682001 - 06/16/05 10:30 AM
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Sean Eldon
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the thing with a laptop is that for one with enough juice to do all of the tracks needed for a live recording, i'll have to spend pretty much what i'm estimating to be MORE than the DPS24. also, if i went with a laptop, taking my 2 896hds out of the rack in my desk would require constant rewiring that 3 weeks ago i figured i wouldn't have to do for a while. i've got a snake. that's covered.
and the dps24 sounds good. 24/96 totally uncompressed, accurate preamps, not to mention a ridiculous amount of i/o.
as far as buying new gear, my studio currently has plenty of new gear. so much new gear that i could have definitely put a nice big old half payment on that cadillac cts i want.
whatever, i'll probably just buy 1200 dollars worth of wine in the next month and forget about it anyway.
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#1682002 - 06/16/05 01:22 PM
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Bill@Welcome Home Studios
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... i'll probably just buy 1200 dollars worth of wine in the next month and forget about it anyway. [/QB]
For a joke at Christmas, a friend gave me a case of assorted flavors of Two Buck Chuck.
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#1682003 - 06/16/05 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by bpark@prorec.com:
Ahh... they are putting a wine restaurant on the ground floor of my loft, so I'll probably not buy so much anymore.
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#1682004 - 06/16/05 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by Sean Eldon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bpark@prorec.com:
[qb]are you insisting that this place is giving it away for free? where is this magical land?
I won't have to experiment by buying whole bottles to try to find a bottle of something new that I like. I will be able to try it by the glass.
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#1682005 - 06/16/05 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by Sean Eldon:
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[qb]are you insisting that this place is giving it away for free? where is this magical land?
I won't have to experiment by buying whole bottles to try to find a bottle of something new that I like. I will be able to try it by the glass.
Bill
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#1682006 - 06/16/05 05:46 PM
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Sean Eldon
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yeah the MAB down the block from me used to be like that, but they stopped it because bums were just getting loaded for free and sleeping in the back near the dumpsters.
up until then though, it was glorious.
i mean...uh...DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY GOOD PREAMP ADVICE?!?!??!?!?!?
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#1682007 - 06/16/05 06:24 PM
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Well, one of the strengths of stand alones is, IMO, the mobility and "all in one" design. If you need something really compact and portable, then they are a good option IMO. While you can certainly get a better sounding system from using individual components and a laptop, many stand alones sound pretty darned good, and it's hard to argue with the convenience of a single device... just add cans, cables and mics and you're good to go with a very mobile system.
If I was doing a LOT of remote recording, it might be something I would consider... OTOH, I might also consider the laptop approach too. In either case, I would look for a seperate / dedicated system. I'm not a big fan of dismantling my main studio system and taking it to remotes... I don't like the thought of the added wear and tear. However, if it's an infrequent need, that probably should also remain an option.
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#1682008 - 06/16/05 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by Sean Eldon:
i mean...uh...DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY GOOD PREAMP ADVICE?!?!??!?!?!?
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#1682009 - 06/17/05 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by Philip O'Keefe:
Well, one of the strengths of stand alones is, IMO, the mobility and "all in one" design. ... I'm not a big fan of dismantling my main studio system and taking it to remotes... ... However, if it's an infrequent need, that probably should also remain an option.
And so many of the guys who say that they want to do this also say that they want to take the resulting recording and import it back into their home studios for editing.... so file format, and method of importation becomes an issue.
Were I serious about remotes, I'd probably be looking at a RADAR. I've had reasonable results using them in the field. Sound good, too. For now, the laptop and some of the studio gear works nicely, and I'm recording directly into the software which I will use for editing. It's really not such a big deal to drag this stuff around, if you build your racks to make stuff easy to get out and replace.
I used the RME converters live, and found that in most cases, they were good enough for live work. Good enough to make it not worth dragging out the Myteks unless the client wanted to go for the premium.
But I only do a few remotes a year, so for me it is not worth a huge investment in new gear.
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