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#1661938 - 03/10/04 10:02 PM Revisiting the 01V96
Dan South
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Phil,

I recall that you had some experience with the 01V96. I think that we may have discussed this previously.

I have a couple of quick questions for you.

(1) Does the channel count drop in 96k mode, or are all channels active at all sample speeds?

(2) How do you get 96k audio OUT to other devices?

Thanks, as always, for your time!!!

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#1661939 - 03/11/04 12:29 AM Re: Revisiting the 01V96
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Originally posted by Dan South:
Phil,

I recall that you had some experience with the 01V96. I think that we may have discussed this previously.


Yes, I think we did talk about it right after it was first announced. Since that time I've purchased one, and have been very happy with it.

I have a couple of quick questions for you.

Any time Dan!

(1) Does the channel count drop in 96k mode, or are all channels active at all sample speeds?

The only thing that drops at 96 KHz is the effects processor count. You still have full channel count, the same EQ's gates and dynamics (on pretty much every channel), but the number of onboard effects processors drops from four to two at the high sample rates. Otherwise, it remains unchanged.

(2) How do you get 96k audio OUT to other devices?

Take your pick - analog (Omni) outs. S/PDIF. The onboard ADAT interface supports S/MUX, and you've got a variety of new MY series digtal card options - mLAN, ADAT lightpipe, high sample rate AES, etc.

It's a cool board - definitely worth checking out.

Thanks, as always, for your time!!!

Anything for you Dan.

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#1661940 - 03/12/04 10:29 AM Re: Revisiting the 01V96
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Will agree with Phil..is a super board and works flawlessly...
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#1661941 - 03/13/04 03:00 AM Re: Revisiting the 01V96
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How does the Y56K fit in? Any issues running the Y56K with the board in 96k mode? I'm assuming that the Y56K runs are 48k internally. This is not an issue. Effects don't have to have as much resolution as the original program material. I'm just concerned that the Waves card might force the board into 44.1 or 48k mode.
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#1661942 - 03/14/04 01:17 AM Re: Revisiting the 01V96
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I also got a question. My system now consists (besides the analog gear) of a G4+001 (running Logic) and a 01V with an Adat card. I have 16 inputs this way (and I do need those). I´m thinking of upgrading to a G5, a 002 and a 01V96.

If I run everything in 96k I will not have 8 digital outs from the Adat out on the 01V96, so I will have 12 inputs. What can I do to still have 16 inputs? Have 2 Adat cards on the 01V96 (is it possible?)? Get another interface (since the 002 just has one Adat input)?

Help me please!
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#1661943 - 03/14/04 01:33 AM Re: Revisiting the 01V96
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Dan:

The Waves Y56K card is limited to 44.1 / 48 KHz - AFAIK, it's not going to function in the 01V96 @ 88.2 / 96 KHz. Unfortunately, I can't check it, since I no longer have my Y56K card - Lee Flier's now the proud owner. I'd check with Waves to confirm this, but I'm nearly positive it's not going to work at the higher sampling rates.

Andre t:

The limiting factor at 96 KHz isn't going to be the 01V96, it's going to be the Digi 002. While the 01V96 has several options available for high sample rate ADAT lightpipe (S/MUX and double speed lightpipe; with an 8 channel interface onboard and a 16 channel card available as an option), the Digi 002 will not run the optical port as ADAT lightpipe at the higher sample rates. It CAN run as a 2 channel S/PDIF at the high sample rates, but there's another limitation - you can not run the coax ("RCA") S/PDIF AND optical S/PDIF simultaneously. In other words, you get a total of 10 simultaneous I/O's on the 002 / 002R maximum - 8 analog and 2 digital S/PDIF - either coax or optical. That's it. And as of this time, there's no way to expand it further beyond those limitations.

Sorry I couldn't be the bearer of good news for both of you, but "them's the facts".
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#1661944 - 03/14/04 04:03 AM Re: Revisiting the 01V96
Alécio Costa - Brazil
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Phil, I am an old user of the 02R V2 and the 01V. Is the 01V 96 superior to the 02R V2 mic pres and internal efx?
There was a difference betwen the 02R V2 and 01V mic pres, S/N, etc.

I was thinking of upgrading to the new 02R 96k V2, but budget is limited here.

I am into a mix plus + DSP farm under OS 9.2/PT TDM 5.1.3. People insist on me to save money skipping the purchase of these boards ( 01V 96 and 02R 96k V2) and go Accel HD2.

What is your opinion?
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#1661945 - 03/14/04 02:36 PM Re: Revisiting the 01V96
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Quote:
Originally posted by Philip O'Keefe:

Andre t:

The limiting factor at 96 KHz isn't going to be the 01V96, it's going to be the Digi 002. While the 01V96 has several options available for high sample rate ADAT lightpipe (S/MUX and double speed lightpipe; with an 8 channel interface onboard and a 16 channel card available as an option), the Digi 002 will not run the optical port as ADAT lightpipe at the higher sample rates. It CAN run as a 2 channel S/PDIF at the high sample rates, but there's another limitation - you can not run the coax ("RCA") S/PDIF AND optical S/PDIF simultaneously. In other words, you get a total of 10 simultaneous I/O's on the 002 / 002R maximum - 8 analog and 2 digital S/PDIF - either coax or optical. That's it. And as of this time, there's no way to expand it further beyond those limitations.

Sorry I couldn't be the bearer of good news for both of you, but "them's the facts".
Thanks a lot. I guess I'll have to do some research on other interfaces then!
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#1661946 - 03/14/04 09:46 PM Re: Revisiting the 01V96
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Phil,

Thanks. It seems that Yamaha's larger mixers are getting an upgrade that will allow them to run plug-ins. Is this in response to the Y56K not running at 96kHz? Any word as to how well this plugin system will work or how well it will be supported? Mackie has had this kind of system for a while, IIRC.
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#1661947 - 03/14/04 10:48 PM Re: Revisiting the 01V96
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My understanding from what I saw at NAMM and what I've read online is that the effects packages Yamaha is releasing for the 02R96 and DM2000 use their onboard effects DSP's... so it's more of a software thing, as opposed to the Y56K, which is a hardware addition with its own onboard software. Will the code be released to third party companies? I have no idea. It might be cool if it was though. But Yamaha has already announced three or four optional effects packages, and to be honest, I think you'd like the "stock" onboard processors too - they're a bit nicer sounding than the ones in the old mixers.

I have no idea if these effects add ons will eventually be available for the other mixers in the range (01V96 / DM1000) but it would certainly be cool!

The Y56K not functioning at the high sample rates is really not surprising since they were originally made for the AW series, which, as you know, doesn't support the high sample rates. I don't know how hard it would be for Waves to release a high sample rate version of the Y56K, or if they have any plans to do so or not. I would imagine that if they were seriously considering it, it probably would have been done - or at least announced - by now.

I normally run at 24 / 44.1 KHz anyway.
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#1661948 - 03/14/04 11:04 PM Re: Revisiting the 01V96
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Originally posted by Alécio Costa - Brazil:
Phil, I am an old user of the 02R V2 and the 01V. Is the 01V 96 superior to the 02R V2 mic pres and internal efx?
There was a difference betwen the 02R V2 and 01V mic pres, S/N, etc.


I wasn't aware that there were differences between different "versions" of the 01V and 02R mic preamps, but as to the question regarding the preamps on the new boards vs the old boards: Yes. Absolutely. They are a significant improvement. Ditto on the internal effects.

I was thinking of upgrading to the new 02R 96k V2, but budget is limited here.

I am into a mix plus + DSP farm under OS 9.2/PT TDM 5.1.3. People insist on me to save money skipping the purchase of these boards ( 01V 96 and 02R 96k V2) and go Accel HD2.

What is your opinion?


Tough call. Actually, it's really going to come down to you and your needs, and your client's desires. That's a big one, and should not be overlooked.

On one hand, I can't stand mixing with a mouse exclusively. I personally want hardware faders to control DAW functions, and the new Yamaha boards are great for that. And I really still feel a mixing board of some type is crucial - at least for the way I work and the type of stuff I find myself doing most of the time.

OTOH, your clients (I'm assuming it's your clients) are asking for you to upgrade to HD2, and what the clients want should definitely be taken into consideration. I'd definitely consider that a significant step up from the MIX + you're using now.

How many channels do you need on your board? Maybe just one Yamaha and the HD upgrade would be a viable option?

Again, it's hard for me to give you an absolute answer - it's going to depend on your unique situation.

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#1661949 - 03/15/04 02:24 AM Re: Revisiting the 01V96
Alécio Costa - Brazil
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Many thanks for all your attetion!

In fact, I hardly go over 40 tracks so the higher track count and high frequency things is not what gets my eyes.
I´m in the same boat as you, I hate working with a mouse during mixdown.
Also, I have a nice DAE folder, so paying everything again just to go OS X/Hd > Accel compatibility is a major trouble. I paid Waves to go waveshell 3.2/3.6 and now another upgrade to do the same very thing with the basic TDM bundle and so..

Developers should take thisi nto consideration...That is why I am a big fan of companies like Soundform and PSP, developing nice plugs around $100.

At least here in Brazil I have never seen people buy used plugs...

As budget is limited I have to choose beteween the 02R 96 Version2 or HD Accel2. ]

I feel my sound quality improvment should be bigger upgrading from the 1997 02R V2 to the new board...

But as you smartly pointed, clients shall be more oriented towards the star name HD/Accel.

There is just one studio with a PT HD3. Others are Digi 001´s, PT Mix and Mix plus.

Nice week, your comments are greatly appreciated!
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