#1647392 - 03/31/04 05:01 PM
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Saint Johnny B
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Cool, a forum for making your space sound better. Thanks Ethan.
I visted Walter at Sear Sound in NYC and he said he liked to use cork placed in a series of arches across his ceiling. He could turn the cork panels over when they started to sag a little too much. His rooms are big, so his use of cork is not about trying to do anything to the bass response, and judging from the acts that have done great work there, who can argue with the man. He's a legend. So cork could be cool to use for certain things. Walter is big analog fan and really cares about the sound quality which helps explain why he has 235 mics ready to be plugged in for just the right sound.
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#1647393 - 04/01/04 01:57 PM
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Ethan Winer
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Johnny,
> I visted Walter at Sear Sound in NYC and he said he liked to use cork <
As far as I know cork is not particularly useful as acoustic treatment. It might be okay as a thin covering over rigid fiberglass, as a way to hide the fiberglass.
--Ethan
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#1647394 - 04/01/04 05:22 PM
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Saint Johnny B
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Ethan,
I think it acted more like a difffuser and broke the sound up somehow.
Sear Sound has good sounding rooms so I guess it works to some degree or another.
To me, it's interesting that some of the best sounding rooms that produced many hits were done in spaces that did not look completely professional by current state-of-the-art-standards. Chess Records and Motown (Detroit) come to mind.
Sound and the way it behaves in different rooms is a very interesting thing, thanks again Ethan for this forum.
I'm very surprised at how many people spend thousands of dollars on outboard gear and the latest fad gimmick goody, but they neglect to even consider spending the required money to get their tracking and mixing rooms in a useable condition. And, when the mix comes out of their un-treated rooms sounding like crapola, they blame the equipment, the manufacturers, the talent, the engineers, the producer, in short, everything else except the one thing causing the problem...and that is the terrible room they are trying to get pro results from.
Bad Room = Bad Mix
Good Room = Good Mix
Thanks again Ethan.
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#1647395 - 04/01/04 06:07 PM
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Ethan Winer
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Johnny,
> Motown (Detroit) <
Yes, and I thought about that recently when I saw "Standing in the shadows of Motown." One thing they had going from them was a large room, helped further by a two-story ceiling height.
> I'm very surprised at how many people spend thousands of dollars on outboard gear <
No kidding. I don't know if you get Sound On Sound magazine from England, but I have an article in this month's issue about this very subject. I call it "gear lust" whereby rows of knobs and flashing lights blinds people to what really matters.
--Ethan
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#1647396 - 04/02/04 11:57 AM
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It's like the set of Star Trek.
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#1647397 - 04/03/04 12:31 AM
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Hmmm, some of those Brits seem to demand high fidelity and quailty thruout the entire process.
But the room is maybe more important than the equipment. People also never seem to be willing to move stuff around like boards, computers, speakers, amps, mics, players, they do it all by eye, by appearance, by looks, and not by how it sounds. Figuring out the right mic placement in a good room is most of the battle, you win it by taking the time to move things, listen, move things again, listen some more, and so on, until you find the sweet spots in the room.
It ain't about whether the space looks all that pretty, it's all about getting the best sounding results out of your room. I'm glad Ethan has been kind enough to moderate this forum to help us do just that, get the best *sounding* results from our rooms. Thanks again, Ethan.
PS, maybe you could post a link or some of that article for us.
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#1647398 - 04/03/04 11:58 AM
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Johnny,
> maybe you could post a link or some of that article for us. <
As with all the articles I write, about a month after they appear in print they magically show up on the Articles page at my web site:
http://www.ethanwiner.com/articles.html
So wait a few weeks and it'll be there. Though this article is mostly just a "cheerleading" piece that explains the importance of acoustic treatment versus gear.
Since I'm writing more than usual these days, and mainly about acoustics, I plan to make a separate Acoustics subsection one of these days. When I get some free time - ha!
--Ethan
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