#1646551 - 07/21/05 05:29 PM
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Max Sidman
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Dear Music Player Forum Users,
There has been a lot of talk on the Music Player Forums lately about recent changes, namely the archiving of Craig Anderton’s Sound, Studio and Stage (SSS) forum and the exodus of Craig Anderton, Gus Lozada, Phil O’Keefe, Dave Bryce and Lee Flier as forum moderators. The Music Player Network sincerely appreciates all that Craig, Gus, Phil, Dave and Lee have done for the forums, and I and the company wish them the best in their new endeavors.
As you may know, the Music Player Network recently relaunched its Web sites. As these magazine-focused sites begin to mature, we are expanding our focus to the forums in order to better integrate them with Guitar Player, Bass Player, EQ, and Keyboard magazines.
I am extremely happy with and confident in the vibrancy of the Music Player Forums. I and everyone else at MPN value the community’s friendly and professional demeanor, and we’re thrilled that the forums have evolved into a top-notch informative resource. While I’m sorry to see Craig, Dave, Phil, Gus and Lee go, I also see this as an opportunity to reinvigorate the forums.
We’ll be launching a new EQ forum for the pro-audio community that continues the mature and unbiased tips and tech-talk that exemplified the SSS forum. Ace Keyboard contributor Steve Fortner will take over as the main man at Keyboard Corner for Dave Bryce (who will stay on in a limited capacity as a “Moderator Emeritus”).
Furthermore, in order to clarify the forums’ special relationship to the Music Player Network publications, we plan on renaming some of them to match the title of their related magazine. Each magazine’s editorial staff will become a more consistent online presence, hosting live Q&A sessions and taking a more actively participatory role in discussions. The magazine editors are assuming this participation as a part of their duties here at the magazines, and will also host threads specifically related to magazine content, allowing the community to chime in on the latest product reviews, lessons and artist features. The thread archive will remain, and current members will not have to re-register to take advantage of these exciting new features.
I welcome feedback from the community on these pending changes, and everyone at MPN is very excited to continue supporting and fostering this fantastic and productive musical community.
Sincerely,
Max Sidman
Web Editor, Music Player Network
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#1646553 - 07/22/05 03:45 AM
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Jim Quinn
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#1646555 - 07/22/05 03:33 PM
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Philip O'Keefe
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#1646557 - 07/22/05 04:15 PM
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#1646558 - 07/22/05 04:18 PM
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Sounds great!
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#1646559 - 07/22/05 04:19 PM
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C. Alexander C.
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Cool.
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#1646560 - 07/22/05 04:36 PM
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nursers
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Dear Max,
Great news and thanks for the update.
Will any forums be deleted at all if they don't match one of the magazines?
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#1646562 - 07/22/05 05:28 PM
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#1646565 - 07/22/05 06:05 PM
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Jim Quinn
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I will remove the Announcement cross-links next week.
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#1646567 - 07/22/05 06:23 PM
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Anifa
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Thank you Max and thank you Jim!!!
The archives will be greatly appreciated and certainly revisited by many of us from time to time. I know that I, for one, will be revisiting posts relative to Sonar 4 as well as many other quality posts about recording technique.
I do hope that ALL forums are preserved for review. There were some great things that happened over in Nursers forum, The Collaboration Corner. The Tsunami Relief project and the Internotes project are both notable projects where many members contributed. The Songwriters on Songwriting also has some very informative discussions that have transpired over time. Though I mainly made my home here on the SSS forum, all of the forums have merit in keeping the archives.
Thanks to CMP for all of these years that you have hosted these forums and provided the users here a virtual community to share our knowledge, thoughts, dilemmas, and etc. The acts of benevolence will not soon be forgotten by those of us who understand the generousity that the CMP and those individuals who have voluntarily served as mentors, moderators, and administrators.
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#1646571 - 07/22/05 08:32 PM
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forceman
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[Edit]: I would like to change the opening sentence from: Question: why all of the congratulations? to: [/edit]
It is always great to see people part ways as friends--this is the way to do it.
Kudos to all of the excellent volunteer moderators who did a wonderful job moderating this sometimes lively community.
Thank you!
That said -- Open question directed to the publisher/editors:
You have effectively driven away many, many good (and with disposable income might I add) people who invest (and I quote "invest") their time, energy, and passion into this crazy thing we all love: music.
The vibe is gone. I wish you the best of luck regaining it.
Regards.
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#1646572 - 07/22/05 10:15 PM
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Gus Lozada
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Hi Force!
To answer your question:
Because it is FAIR PLAY.
Changes always happen and both sides are wishing the best to each other.
I am very thankful to MP.com for having me as a "mod" during the last 4 years -do you ever realize how that helps on a resume?- and because even when "Nuestro Foro" did not really supported any magazine and did not make any difference sales or subscriptions-wise, they allowed us to live into their server. And that counts a lot for my community.
Time has come for a change and I'm moving together with my friends to a new place, but that does not mean I'm not thankful and loyal to the company's ideals I originally had when I became a moderator.
Additionally, it is good to see that even after the changes, the most of the forums will remain open. Say, Bass, Guitar, David Frangioni's and Ethan's for EQ and the Keyboard Corner will still be working and going and personally, I will fully support them when they decide to create a new hispanic forum or whatever they need my help for.
... and after all, it is great to see a company willing to adapt to changes and keep improving something already good. There are not a lot of good magazines out there and having MP.com willing to support their great mags in a better way with their new vision of the forums, worths our best wishes.
Gus
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#1646574 - 07/23/05 12:06 AM
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nursers
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Originally posted by Gus Lozada:
Hi Force!
To answer your question:
Because it is FAIR PLAY.
Changes always happen and both sides are wishing the best to each other.
I am very thankful to MP.com for having me as a "mod" during the last 4 years -do you ever realize how that helps on a resume?- and because even when "Nuestro Foro" did not really supported any magazine and did not make any difference sales or subscriptions-wise, they allowed us to live into their server. And that counts a lot for my community.
Time has come for a change and I'm moving together with my friends to a new place, but that does not mean I'm not thankful and loyal to the company's ideals I originally had when I became a moderator.
Additionally, it is good to see that even after the changes, the most of the forums will remain open. Say, Bass, Guitar, David Frangioni's and Ethan's for EQ and the Keyboard Corner will still be working and going and personally, I will fully support them when they decide to create a new hispanic forum or whatever they need my help for.
... and after all, it is great to see a company willing to adapt to changes and keep improving something already good. There are not a lot of good magazines out there and having MP.com willing to support their great mags in a better way with their new vision of the forums, worths our best wishes.
Gus 
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#1646575 - 07/23/05 07:08 AM
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forceman
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Gus and Nursers.
Yes, saying goodbye is a fine gesture, no question about that.
After rereading my initial post I see where perhaps it should have been phrased a bit differently (at least the opening sentence).
Apologies for this.
[edit] I changed it. [/edit]
My point dealt more with the "why for goodbyes.."
Not to take anything away from the volunteer moderators--you all did a GREAT job.
I am openly question the change.
Perhaps the publisher thinks this change is a positive one.
However, if you look at it from the customer perspective (my perspective) you see it a bit differently.
Too bad the hosting site didn't value your (and our) contributions, and couldn't figure out the value of profiting off of the huge intellectual property here.
I sure profited from it.
TIp to the publisher/editors: there are several excellent Harvard Business Review articles and also several good books understanding/defining/maintaining an internet-supported community.
Harvard's Peter Weil's name comes to mind.
Peace and love.
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#1646576 - 07/23/05 09:52 AM
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first, Thanks Max for the information on where this forum is headed and the respectful goodbye's to those moderators moving to a new location. CMP has allowed these forums to exist as their own world, and I entirely understand the decision to focus the MP online community back to your products.
I have to disagree with you Forceman.
There are definitely benefits to hosting a vibrant cross section of the industry here at CMP. But as I stated in another thread, I've noticed the virtual lack of MP magazine content-driven posts as a percentage of the whole, even in forums that will remain after this shake-up.
CMP has chosen to focus their resources. More power to them. I will still be an active member of the Guitar Player Forum (ne Guitar Forum) after the split.
For one thing, after checking out the HC Guitar Forums, I still feel more comfortable in our own neck of the woods. I sincerely hope other MP Guitar Forum members will continue to frequent the Guitar Player Forum.
Though I am not a subscriber, perhaps I'll come back to GP if the content driven threads and interaction with the contributors to the magazine show me content I'm interested in reading in a tangible form.
Gibson doesn't have a large, general music forum. They have forums dedicated to Gibson products. Digidesign doesn't have forums dealing with all DAW software and hardware. They focus on Digi compatable equipment. This is the nature of companies.
CMP is no different. They are a company with several products. Their resources should support the users of those products. I wouldn't go so far as to say they would do well to charge fees to non-subscribers for access to most (if not all) web content related to the magazines, but focusing these forums on that content, IMO, is necessary, no matter the bumps in the road during this transition.
This quote, IMO, is not only uncalled for, it's dead wrong.
Originally posted by forceman:
You have effectively driven away many, many good (and with disposable income might I add) people who invest (and I quote "invest") their time, energy, and passion into this crazy thing we all love: music.
I haven't heard of anyone "driven away" by this change. Yes, some will go. Some will stay. But this change doesn't require any members to declare an allegiance to CMP or HC. To cop a phrase from a Southwest Airlines commercial, "You are now free to move about the (internet)."
The bottom line is CMP made a decision to focus their resources. Craig and several moderators who, for well documented reasons, are grateful and loyal to Craig for supporting their own ascention to moderators, decided to leave for a place where the SSS and the other mods could continue to thrive. Both parties are fine with the arrangement. They have mutual respect for each other and the work that has been accomplished here until now.
Why is it even your (our) business? 
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#1646577 - 07/23/05 10:56 AM
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forceman
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I have stated my opinion.
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#1646578 - 07/23/05 11:47 AM
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#1646579 - 07/24/05 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by forceman:
I have stated my opinion.
I've been away for a couple weeks. What's up with the exodus?
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#1646580 - 07/25/05 01:40 AM
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I would like to add that many of the changes being made to the MP forums are things that I've suggested over the years, particularly editorial presence, threads devoted to articles, magazine feedback polls, etc. So not surprisingly, they get a "thumbs up" from me. I'm happy to see these changes because they are a good direction for these forums.
CMP is at its core a publishing company. The forums were a leftover from MP.com, the "dot com" days attempt to create a "pure play" web effort. Unfortunately, they were never properly integrated with the magazines with a few exceptions (e.g., Roger Nichols' forum). In fact, during the early days of MP.com, there were people who wanted the site to compete with the magazines, and I was absolutely dead set against that -- I even wanted to do interviews with the editors on the site (which was voted down, but I still think it was a good idea).
So the forums sort of drifted through cyberspace, like a space probe that keeps sending back information long after it was supposed to go away. To their credit, Canned Bananas and CMP kept the forums going because they realized they were a sleeping giant. Now they've decided to wake the giant up, which is a good thing.
Meanwhile, I have dreams for SSS that simply cannot be done under the aegis of CMP. I believe they can be done under the aegis of HC, and I'm eager to stretch the definitions of what an online community can do. Let me emphasize no one at CMP asked me to leave. I asked to leave. I'm just itching to take SSS further and sometimes changes, though difficult, are necessary. I'm not getting any younger, and it's time to make my dreams come true.
I expect to continue contributing to the EQ and Keyboard forums for as long as I write for these magazines if not beyond, and no one's told me to stop writing, so...draw your own conclusions!
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