#1626617 - 06/25/03 03:42 AM
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Lee Flier
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Drums are loud. For a drummer to play with energy and excitement that's just the way it is. A drummer can be sensitive to the situation (size of the room and such) but at the end of the day, drums are just a loud instrument and they're meant to be that way. No sense trying to make them something they're not. We aren't a metal band or anything, but we love it when our drummer beats the crap out of the kit.
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#1626618 - 06/25/03 03:54 AM
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Drums should be loud...but dynamically so. I like a drummer who can go from Gadd to Ulrich in a matter of seconds.
The band as a whole has to be free to play at whatever energy level their stuff requires, otherwise they should all put on matching red satin paisley tuxedo jackets with black velvet collars and go play at the local Holiday Inn.
Not being loud for the sake of being loud, mind you, but being able to play at the right energy level for the song.
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#1626619 - 06/25/03 03:57 AM
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Lee Flier
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Originally posted by Tedster:
Drums should be loud...but dynamically so. I like a drummer who can go from Gadd to Ulrich in a matter of seconds.
In the thread Dendy posted though, it sounds like the guy is a good drummer and probably has good dynamics, but he's just loud. Well... DUH. 
The band as a whole has to be free to play at whatever energy level their stuff requires, otherwise they should all put on matching red satin paisley tuxedo jackets with black velvet collars and go play at the local Holiday Inn.
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#1626620 - 06/25/03 10:12 AM
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DJ, since your a drummer, how do you feel about this subject. I have already voiced what I thought was a very tame reply at the Lowdown.
My real opinion is that if the drummer can't supply the appropriate volume for the gig, fire them immediately.
I get to play with a bunch of different drummers and, for the most part, they are all good at doing exactly what they are supposed to do or they wouldn't have the gig. Last year I worked with the loudest drummer I ever met, but come showtime you could talk to the rest of the band while he was playing without shouting and he was grooving his ass off. That's the way it should be.
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#1626621 - 06/25/03 11:37 AM
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I agree...
Drums are drums. They're big-ass things that need to be hit in order to make sounds. They're gonna be kinda loud simply by virtue of being what they are.
However... Dynamics are important. Even in hardcore. I think the real key is for the drummer (and everyone else in the band as well) to remember that band performances aren't just about the drums (or guitar, bass or vocals). Band performances are about THE BAND. Duh. If any part is sticking out too much (through overplaying or sheer volume), that musician is screwing the whole band.
If this kind of stuff happens with my band, I usually turn to the musician in question and remind them of this... "It's not about YOU, douchebag."
This doesn't happen often anymore.
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#1626622 - 06/25/03 11:58 AM
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I like drummers that are loud. Ok maybe not just loud for the sake of being loud but a drummer with any presence is going to make some noise. Have you ever seen a drummer that wasn't very assertive in his playing? It sucks. I'll take the loud guy and turn my amp up a little more.
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#1626623 - 06/25/03 02:39 PM
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daviel
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The volume of the drums basically determine how loud the band will be. If your drummer cannot moderate his volume consider a plexiglass 'booth' that screens him off, sonically, like used in studios, then the pa can mix the volumes.
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#1626624 - 06/25/03 02:52 PM
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djarrett
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tnp:
Here is my take: A drummer has to be able to adapt dynamically, but there has to be some reasonable expectations as well on behalf of the band mates and the venue owner.
DON'T HIRE THE WRONG BAND FOR YOUR VENUE.
I have been at gigs where we were booked by an agency. Turned out that instead of kicking out originals and cover tunes, ... the club owner was looking for soft lounge music. WE WERE TOTALLY THE WRONG BAND FOR THE VENUE.
Partly the booking agents fault, and partly the venue owners fault.
You also have to use your head when hiring a drummer. If he shows up with all his heads caved in like soup bowls, ... and he is using 2B marching sticks ... you got a problem on your hands! Unless you are looking to play mosh-pit venues!
Most drummers that are musically inclined are able to access the situation and adapt. A drummer with a good personality helps make this possible.
The main thing ... I never see bands last where everyone is out for themselves. If the drummer says, I not playing quieter unless you play quieter, then you are going to have constant battles between the band members. This is never a good situation.
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#1626625 - 06/25/03 03:08 PM
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I was in a band once where the drummer played so loud and aggresively that he actually drove away the customers. Drummer jokes aside, they're musicians - and they should be able to play appropriately.
I don't cut guitarists any slack for this, either. Sure, Marshalls sound best when they're on 10; but, they are also designed for large venues. Marshall Stacks were invented in the days of small, sucky PA systems. Dragging them into a club and turning them up to 10 for the sake of "Your Tone" is dumb, considering you can get a smaller amp to run at 10 get that same "tone" at a reasonable volume.
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#1626626 - 06/26/03 01:39 PM
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patrick_dont_fret
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I think I'm gonna roll with everyone else on this one...they should be loud, but not too loud. I saw Galactic here once at a very small venue. Stanton Moore, an excellent drummer, beat the hell out of his drums. But I could still hear the rest of the band through him. I still wonder why they had him mic'ed, though.
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