#1039592 - 11/15/05 02:36 PM
Locking PT 002-HD24 w/BRC-Amek Supertrue
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DanaKirkpatrick
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I was wondering if anyone had any success getting PT002 MIDI TC to run thru the Alesis BRC and have SMPTE come out of it? I have an AMEK Big console with SMPTE based automation and an Alesis HD24 with BRC. This combo works great together. Now lets add the PT002 Rack. Is there any way to lock the HD24 anf the PT002? Do I need an external sync?
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#1039593 - 11/15/05 06:18 PM
Re: Locking PT 002-HD24 w/BRC-Amek Supertrue
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Although I do not use PT002, I do work with the HD24 on some of my projects, and have flawlessly driven various automation devices using the MIDI Timecode output on the HD24....no problem whatsoever, and no need to convert to SMPTE for my devices (and most computer devices need MIDI Timecode as an input anyway).....If you do need to convert to SMPTE, there are lots of boxes that do this.
My memory is that I needed to first turn on the MIDI Timecode in the menus on the HD24....Having done this, I found the MIDI Timecode output of the HD24 to be plenty accurate to drive my console's automation.....I am guessing that PT002 will operate just fine from MIDI timecode, as well.
The simple situation I am describing above assumes that the HD24 is the MIDI time code master. If you need the HD24 to chase PT, however, I am not sure how you would go about doing that....
If you are talking about finding some way to sync to SMPTE for lock to picture, this is a whole other can of worms that might be better served with a different HD recorder.
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#1039594 - 11/15/05 10:40 PM
Re: Locking PT 002-HD24 w/BRC-Amek Supertrue
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Thanks for the insight. Amek Supertrue wants to see SMPTE. I have striped a track on the the PT002 with SMPTE to use an automated mix. I am fighting the fact that I have a ton of analog gear and want to use PT for a recorder at this point. If I could lock it to the HD 24 that would be cool. If it would all lock together - well, hog heaven!
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#1039595 - 11/16/05 11:56 AM
Re: Locking PT 002-HD24 w/BRC-Amek Supertrue
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DanaKirkpatrick
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What would be ideal is the use the BRC as the master and have the PT002 and the AMEK Supertrue as the slaves.
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#1039596 - 11/17/05 06:42 PM
Re: Locking PT 002-HD24 w/BRC-Amek Supertrue
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If you think about it from the beginning and work "backwards", I think you can achieve everything you want: Get one of the various boxes that convert MTC to SMPTE (I know Midi Time Piece used to do this...) and run the Midi output of the HD24 to the box, then
stripe Pro Tools with the resultant SMPTE, you will then have coordination between the two with the HD24 as the master.....The Supertrue automation will always be a slave.
I am not enough of an ADAT guy to know if the BRC will work well enough in this setting to allow some real SMPTE chasing, but my memory of all the nightmares described to me by folks who were trying to make ADATs chase timecode or video scare me a little in this regard (at least in the early days when the Tascam machines were doing this just fine), and I really don't know how much of the full functionality of a BRC makes it to the HD24.....The folks on the Yahoo HD24 forum don't always seem too sanguine about that, but you might want to browse and search over there to get some info....You are unlikely to get the full answers from Aleseis, as far as I can tell.
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#1039597 - 11/21/05 04:03 PM
Re: Locking PT 002-HD24 w/BRC-Amek Supertrue
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Another thing you might look at is using something external besides the BRC to control the HD via ADAT sync (which is apparently the only way you can get it to chase- i.e, this is why you might find it easier to use as the master).
If you look at page 67 in the HD24 manual, you will see they suggest a MOTU Digital Timepiece for this.....I don't know what your PT interface is, but there are multiple computer card manufactures that include an ADAT sync port, and there are at least a couple of external boxes that do something similar.
I would still lean towards one of the other solutions above, but just ran across this page in the manual after posting above.
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#1039598 - 11/21/05 05:09 PM
Re: Locking PT 002-HD24 w/BRC-Amek Supertrue
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Thanks for the input. I have had ADAT's since they first came out and never had much luck with the ADAT's chasing SMPTE. I have had success with the BRC spitting out ADAT sync, SMPTE TC to run the AMEK automation and MIDI TC, which was running a sequencer(with use of tempo maps). Since the only input/output the PT 002 has is MIDI, I need to find a way to put the PT 002 into slave mode.
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