#1039583 - 11/14/05 06:44 PM
PT le for sequencing?
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das1029
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Hello to all. I don't believe I've ever posted anything here before, but definitely I am looking for everyone's opinion for my question. Just real quick, I'm a pro producer and keyboardist running M-Powered PTle 6.8 and Digital Performer 4.12 ,obviously on a MAC G4 1.25ghz. Anyway, I've used Logic Express6.x and Cubase before, and of course DP which I've used ever since version 2.1 . So this is what I'm interested in knowing.
I went back to PT again recently simply because I've always loved PT since the 1st Nubus 4track version and the first MBox. And IMO there isn't anything else out there as simple to use for creating a song. But of course PT has always emphasized audio verses midi. Now the newer version of PT - 7 is supposed to be a major improvement over that issue with midi, so I'm wondering what is the really big difference in sequencing with PT verses ever other DAW today?
I know that Logic and DP are extremely powerful at midi features. But how many of those advanced features are really necessary for sequencing and producing pro tracks everyday? And does the average person really use all of those "advanced" features in Logic or Cubase all the time for sequencing? even if PT doesn't have as many advanced features as a sequencer, does it not come with more than enough to suffice as a professional sequencer compared to others, or is it only good for just audio?
I'm tempted to dump my DP setup if I can rationalize just running everything from PT effeciently. Especially now that PT7 is supposed to be better optimized for RTAS plug-in performance and overall PT performance on the CPU natively. I actually do love DP, but I still kind of have a better attachment to PT for some reason.
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DAS
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#1039584 - 11/16/05 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by das1029:
I know that Logic and DP are extremely powerful at midi features. But how many of those advanced features are really necessary for sequencing and producing pro tracks everyday?
Hey DAS 
I use Logic6/G4 regularly for midi apps, and except for the steep learning curve, IMHO it's the hands-down best. I know others will disagree, but software is like a car. You use what feels right. No, I don't use all the features, but it's sure nice to know they're there if needed. Logic Express is kinda' the lightweight version, so comparing it to fullblown PT or DP is like oranges to apples. From what I've read, the new Express does carry fairly decent midi implementation, and at a reasonal price. If recording audio, Logic is also their equal.. again mabee a little harder to master. All are well supported by third parties, but I like the sound of Logic's native instrument set. Logic also has a competent user forum(Sonikmatter.com). Let us know which path you take.
Paul (North Jersey guy!)
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#1039585 - 11/19/05 12:43 AM
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Hey Paully from N. Jersey. Thanks for the input. Yeah, I was using Logic Express for about 2+ years, and it was really cool, but I still didn't feel it was "intuitive" or as user friendly as I would've liked. Powerful for sure, that's an understatement. But the only thing with Logic is after all that time of using it, I still felt like I had to "think too much" just to accomplish some things. Now of course one could say that I wasn't thinking the way Logic expects you to think in using it, which could be true, but to me that doesn't necessarily make a particular software unique when that is the case. And for others that seems the case also.
But I'm not trying to bash Logic whatsoever. I can at least now say that I know how to use Logic, which I "can put on my resume", but I'm still drawn back to the ever so simple GUI of Pro Tools. But I'll still be using my ever faithful DP for sequencing and producing. Unfortanetly I'm not running OS 10.4 yet which is Tiger. Which is the minimum spec for PT le 7. So either I upgrade to OS 10.4 (if I can find 1 for cheap) or wait until I'm ready to upgrade to a G5 MAC, which of course ships with Tiger.
Decisions, decisions......
Oh yeah, by the way Paully, where in N. Jersey are you? I'm right around the Cherry Hill, Voorhees area in S. Jersey.
DAS
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#1039587 - 11/19/05 03:48 PM
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We use Pro Tools everyday for all of our MIDI sequencing. Been doing it this way for 5 years since switching from Logic. It does everything we need !!!!! After using Logic, DP, and Studio Vision Pro I've never felt Pro Tools MIDI was a sacrifice.
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#1039588 - 11/19/05 07:23 PM
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Hackettstown, NJ. Never been that far North West, maybe up to Morristown, but of course I didn't know what I was looking at! LOL!!!!!! Maybe I should take a trip up there if what you say is true about the taxes being cheap.
"After using Logic, DP, and Studio Vision Pro I've never felt Pro Tools MIDI was a sacrifice."
Really, that's cool Rob. So what type of music have you sequenced with PT? Adult Contemporary, POP, R&B, Trance, HipHop, Alternative? More importantly what I'm waiting to hear is if anyone has scored a film with a softsampler like Kontakt strictly through PT?
I might "bite" the bullet and for now find a cheap upgrade to "Tiger" and then download the free upgrade to PT7. I'm sure I can find a "version" of Tiger on LimeWire, but I try to always be legit when it comes to my music setup.
Or, I could just keep using PT 6.8 and "save" those few pennies and go back in Jan. to NAMM in Anaheim this year. I'm still debating about that for some reason. But I figure if I do get back to NAMM I could at least speak 1 on 1 with the reps to answer in questions I have about the DAW specs. That should give me as much info as you guys are providing also.
DAS
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#1039589 - 11/21/05 07:37 PM
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robmix
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Originally posted by das1029:
Really, that's cool Rob. So what type of music have you sequenced with PT? Adult Contemporary, POP, R&B, Trance, HipHop, Alternative? More importantly what I'm waiting to hear is if anyone has scored a film with a softsampler like Kontakt strictly through PT?
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#1039590 - 11/21/05 08:38 PM
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Rob,
I keep seeing posts by people looking for good mastering houses. Just wondering who's hot out there, and whether you do your own masters.
Paul
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#1039591 - 11/22/05 02:37 AM
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I either use Brian Gardner or I do it myself. I've also used Dave Collins with mixed results.
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and Apple. 
Mabee DP??? I'm up near Hackettstown. Surrounded by Deadheads, but the taxes are cheap. :rolleyes: Freakin' leaves! Gotta go rake. Keep us posted.
