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Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band

Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/07/19 02:36 PM

Pro or very good student model. Budget is $1k.
I was looking at Ibanez Artcore.
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/...-hollow-natural

Better suggestions?

Thank you!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/07/19 05:34 PM

The Artcores are actually pretty good guitars, IMHO.

A used Godin Icon 3 is another option worthy of consideration. The P90s in that model are Lollars. Itís a LP shape, but it is a semihollow.
Reverb: Godin Icon 3

Their Kingpin II is another worth looking at:
Reverb: Godin Kingpin II

Reverend has some good semihollows in your price range:
Reverb: Reverend semihollows
Posted By: Scott Fraser

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/07/19 05:42 PM

I have the Ibanez AS153, which cost used about the same as this AS93, but with a maple top. It's a stunningly well finished instrument. If the 93 is in the same general quality range as the 153 it will be a great instrument. Chinese made & beautifully detailed.
Another slightly different take on the double cutaway semi-hollow body is the Gretsch center block series. Also very well made affordable instruments.
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/...ck-walnut-stain
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/07/19 06:17 PM

I'm super-impressed by the Pat Metheny PM2 model. I prefer single pickup models at that size, so if you'd rather have a double pickup model, also look into the George Benson model, even though it's laminated spruce vs. laminated maple (so it's a different sound).

The Artcores are fine too, but it's worth the extra money to go for the Metheny or Benson models, if you're looking for more of a jazz sound than a blues box. They come with nice hardshell cases, and the Metheny model arrives already strung with D'addario flatwounds (though I switched mine to Thomastiks).

If you'd rather spend as little as possible though, your best bet is to buy a previous year's Artcore on blowout, as the price savings is similar to when Gibson rolls out a new model year.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/07/19 08:23 PM

Before I offer any more suggestions, what do you mean by ďstageĒ band, exactly?
Posted By: DocPate

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/07/19 10:02 PM

Epiphone ES Seriies

https://reverb.com/p/epiphone-es-339-pro...m_source=google
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/07/19 11:06 PM

The Epi ES's are mostly nice instruments (depends on the instrument) but are a COMPLETELY different sort of guitar from a jazz box. Although plenty of artists use them (or their equivalents); including the main guitarist in my own combo -- but he's more blues and rock oriented than a traditional jazz guy.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/08/19 02:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Before I offer any more suggestions, what do you mean by ďstageĒ band, exactly?


Competition jazz band - high school level. Big band charts, a lead now and again.
Posted By: Scott Fraser

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/08/19 03:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
The Epi ES's are mostly nice instruments (depends on the instrument) but are a COMPLETELY different sort of guitar from a jazz box. Although plenty of artists use them (or their equivalents); including the main guitarist in my own combo -- but he's more blues and rock oriented than a traditional jazz guy.


Certainly, but Elmer listed a 335-esque semi-hollow as the model currently on his radar, so I'm guessing he has an idea for an instrument which is more Scofield than Montgomery. Maybe Elmer could give us a more specific idea of what type of music he's interested in, & which guitarists he's influenced by.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/08/19 04:30 AM

Oh, sorry, I didn't know Ibanez branded some 335-style instruments as Artcores. I'm cautious about clicking on links, so waited until I had a fresh computer session with nothing at risk.

Interesting instrument, that one. For 335-style though, I am super-picky and absolutely despise 99.99% of them. It's a hard design to pull off correctly, just like the SG. The one I own now is a lifetime keeper and wasn't expensive: Eastman Ray Benson model. Truly great Lollar pickups also.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/08/19 04:45 AM

P90s have been a big part of Jazz.

You could buy a guitar you like the feel of and drop upgraded P90s or HB-sized P90s (depending on how itís routed) and have a quality jazz axe.

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Vintage Vibe HS90


Railhammer Humcutter (HB-sized noiseless P90r): Cleancutter



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Posted By: Scott Fraser

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/08/19 02:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
Interesting instrument, that one. For 335-style though, I am super-picky and absolutely despise 99.99% of them. It's a hard design to pull off correctly, just like the SG. The one I own now is a lifetime keeper and wasn't expensive: Eastman Ray Benson model. Truly great Lollar pickups also.


Everything Eastman makes is stellar. I have a couple, & they're the best guitars I own.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/08/19 06:32 PM

My reading suggests that the 335 is sort of the gold standard of semi-hollow-bodies and itís strength is that you can make adjustments to settings, swap strings, tweak the amp and jump styles. I currently play a Guild X-150 Savoy which I use as a jazz box just by using heavier flat wounds. Works great but not versatile. Iím thinking a semi for my student because it would be better for going from a big band chart to pop song without dragging around another guitar.

On a side note, it was suggested to me one time on my Guild to put in pickups that were known as ďthe systemĒ for a killer jazz sound. I donít know if this was a P90 variation or who or was made by. Iíve searched without much success. Anyone familiar?
Posted By: Delta

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/08/19 08:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
The Artcores are actually pretty good guitars, IMHO.

A used Godin Icon 3 is another option worthy of consideration. The P90s in that model are Lollars. Itís a LP shape, but it is a semihollow.
Reverb: Godin Icon 3



Their Kingpin II is another worth looking at:
Reverb: Godin Kingpin II

Reverend has some good semihollows in your price range:
Reverb: Reverend semihollows


Good suggestions Danny, however the Godin Icon 3 is a chambered solid body, not a semi-hollow. I have an Icon 2 Classic, which is basically the same guitar but with only 2 pickups, a GHAN1 on the neck and a Duncan 59 on the bridge. It's an all round awesome guitar as I'm sure the Icon 3 is.

I've been holding off on pulling the trigger on a EPI ES-335. If I did get one, I'd upgrade the pickups immediately.
Posted By: picker

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/08/19 10:52 PM

I would definitely recommend a semi-hollow instrument. They are much more versatile , and you won't have any trouble with feedback. Fully hollow bodied instruments can be a problem if you have to turn up.
With the budget you have, you should be able to get quite a good one. If it was me, I'd look into used instruments first. A used Ibanez Artstar AS153 like this one would really be a good way to go, much better than the Artcore series.

Posted By: Scott Fraser

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/08/19 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By: picker
With the budget you have, you should be able to get quite a good one. If it was me, I'd look into used instruments first. A used Ibanez Artstar AS153 like this one would really be a good way to go, much better than the Artcore series.


This is the model I have. I was able to find it used on Craigslist for about $650 a couple years ago.
Posted By: Larryz

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/09/19 12:31 AM

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/...07387000002000? <---I would take a look at this Epi ES-175 with dual US made 57 humbuckers. The Gibson ES-175 was a favorite of Joe Pass and Wes Montgomery for a jazz guitar. Epi did a great job putting out a lower priced model. If you want some old Scotty Moore rock and roll sound it will fill that bill too. I paid $1,000 for mine and the later models have dropped to $700 or so. The Epi will keep up with guitars costing 4 times as much... cool

ps. a little over budget at $1,300 is a nice little semi hollow sized down ES 175 Gibson called the ES-235 made in USA. It is a satin finish that will keep up with the $1,700 version in gloss. The 235 is a mini version of the 175 with a center blocked semi hollow body that will avoid any feedback concerns at higher volumes. Jazz at low and rock'in blues at higher volumes with Burstbucker Humbuckers...
Posted By: CEB

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/09/19 12:56 PM

For a center block guitar I like my used Epiphone Sheraton II. Look for one that is made in Korea.

The used Godin stuff is cool. At that price used axes are the best bang for the $$$.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/10/19 05:14 PM

The more recent Epiphones from Korea are top-notch; I bought the way-underpriced ES-295 model last year. These new MIK Epi's are of similar quality to the short-lived top-end MIJ models of a few years back.

Don't forget that the ES-175 and ES-295 are essentially the same guitar, but with P-90's vs. humbuckers in the 295. But of course Gibson is an inconsistent company so that rule does not apply across-the-board.
Posted By: whitefang

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/11/19 09:42 AM

Originally Posted By: picker
I would definitely recommend a semi-hollow instrument. They are much more versatile , and you won't have any trouble with feedback. Fully hollow bodied instruments can be a problem if you have to turn up.
With the budget you have, you should be able to get quite a good one. If it was me, I'd look into used instruments first. A used Ibanez Artstar AS153 like this one would really be a good way to go, much better than the Artcore series.



A friend of mine(the only guy I know who plays jazz professionally) utilizes BOTH a semi-hollow( Gibson 335 "Stereo") and hollow( Howard Roberts) but I don't know which he really prefers. Would probably tell me each serves some specific purpose that one or the other can't replicate.
Whitefang
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/11/19 05:46 PM

I agree with what whitefang said. I would certainly not characterize one as more versatile as the other, as I work in every genre imaginable (the majority of people on this forum will never have encountered most of them, as I specialize in ethnomusicology, including music from all around the world and also historical periods). So what is versatile for one may not be so for another.

The two are very different beasts. A thin-body is much more like a solid body or even an SG, usually, depending on neck design (through body, e.g.) and pickups. A good hollow body is more like an acoustic arch-top guitar with pickups in place of a mic or piezo, where most players will only use the amped sound, but the player might have trouble knowing what the audience hears as the acoustic sound can overpower the amp unless one turns up the stage monitoring so loud that feedback results. I never get feedback, but I don't play loud. Only you will know your volume levels and thus how big a risk is feedback in your choice.
Posted By: p90jr

Re: Recommendation on Hollowbody or Semi HB for Jazz/Stage Band - 01/22/19 01:23 PM

Now is probably the best time in all of history to be looking for a well-made semi-hollow for 1K or under...

I have a great Hamer Echotone (ES-335) I bought barely used for $200, from a jazz guitarist who had the frets nicely dressed and had it set up with flatwound strings with a wound third (the key to old school "jazz tone") and had the pickups swapped out for Seymour Duncan '59s already. Killer.

I also bought a little Epiphone Casino Coupe (fully hollow) barely used for $200... it needs some fret work and I'm swapping out the pickups (overwound because that seems to be what "the kids" expect, which robs the guitar of brightness and clarity) for some GFS P90s (such a simple pickup that I don't hear much difference between the cheapest and the most expensive boutique versions as long as they're wound in the right lower output range).

Epiphone also has a version of the ES-339 (these and the Casino Coupes have smaller Les Paul sized bodies).

I think there's some semi-hollow Epiphone Les Pauls around (and let's not forget that the solid Les Paul was designed and intended to be a jazz guitar!).

The Epiphone Dots are good.

The Ibanez Artcores are good.

You might be able to score a Gibson Mid-Town or even an ES-135 used for under $1K (I've seen them go for $800, often).

There's the Es-335 Studio, and the ES-333 (a 335 that was cheaper because it had a back panel to assemble/access the electronics, which I and the rest of the world probably find preferable) that was in production for a short while and people who have them don't seem to part with...

and then, stepping away from the "purist" angle...

I've heard amazing jazz guitar tone floating out of restaurants in the French Quarter in New Orleans, only to look in and see someone playing a Steinberger guitar, or a Parker Fly, or a Line 6 Variax...
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