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Posted By: hurricane hugo cool new effects - 10/17/14 04:42 PM
Figured we could use this as a catch-all for mew effects unit news and discussion...anyway, check this out - a box for acoustic guitars that uses the guitar body itself as the "speaker": http://www.gizmag.com/tonewoodamp-acoustic-guitar-effects/33958/

grin
Posted By: Eric VB Re: cool new effects - 10/17/14 05:16 PM
Neato. Not sure it would work with my round-back Ovation, though.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 10/17/14 07:27 PM
cool That IS cool! Hmmmnnn.... a repeating looper function, as well as an effects-loop I/O, could be mighty mighty cool there...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 10/17/14 08:39 PM
this looks cool, too:

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 10/18/14 01:52 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo


That does look- and sound- cool. As an owner of two wonderful Strymon pedals- the El Capistan (which shares a little sonic flavor and virtual topology with the Deco) and Flint- I expect that this is a real winner.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 10/24/14 07:24 PM
I'm wondering if this Bitmap thing is something like that olde Digitech Pixellator:

Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 10/25/14 11:47 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
I'm wondering if this Bitmap thing is something like that olde Digitech Pixellator:



Bit crushers are great Crapulators (my term for anything that intentionally turns your signal into noise), but I'm not sure it's the same sound as the old Space Station Pixellator. Closest thing I've found is the Catalinbread Heliotrope, which is sub-titled Harmonic Pixelator. It's like a Ring Mod on weird street drugs. Another great Crapulator.

Still have my Space Station, I just wish they'd re-issue the damned thing so I could have a back-up.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 10/25/14 11:27 PM
well, here's a video of it in action:

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 11/25/14 09:00 PM
http://bigcitymusic.com/effectrode-mercury-tube-fuzz
Posted By: skipclone 1 Re: cool new effects - 11/25/14 10:53 PM
These sound interesting, I want to try the String Reviver:
www.mcsystemsmusic.com
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 11/26/14 08:28 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
http://bigcitymusic.com/effectrode-mercury-tube-fuzz


I'd like to be able to try one of those, or at least hear a GOOD clip or vid demonstrating its virtues and characteristics, particularly dynamic response to "touch" and a guitars volume-knob adjustments.

I see that this pedal's effective ( rimshot ) predecessor, their Helios Tube Fuzz, has apparently been owned and used by David Gilmour in recording for solo and/or 'Floyd projects; here's a vid demoing that pedal:

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Originally Posted By: skipclone 1
These sound interesting, I want to try the String Reviver:
www.mcsystemsmusic.com


cool The following features do look interesting:

Originally Posted By: MC Systems Music dot com
"...‘ V-Switch ‘ dynamic true bypass switching, which allows the player to enable the effect with dual intensity, dependent on how hard you stomp it. The dynamic response is applied to the most appropriate parameter for the particular effect e.g. Overdrive – drive, Chorus – depth, Delay – regeneration, etc. A second footswitch gives fast access two alternate parameters such as chorus rate, delay time, overdrive level, etc.
Posted By: skipclone 1 Re: cool new effects - 11/26/14 11:42 AM
Yes, very kool for live applications.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/05/14 06:00 PM
not exactly an effect, but a way to control them:

Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 12/06/14 05:16 PM
Love the overall concept, but I hate the idea of having to add a laptop or a tablet to my rig.

It also reminds me of these things - Z-tar
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/07/14 04:43 PM
Late in the video, they show an additional gadget that you can use instead of a laptop/tablet to get the signals to your gear. smile

That's the piece that has me actually considering the Wing.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/21/14 04:25 AM
This stereo filter effect has been out for a few months now, but is probably new to most of us guitarists.



You can find audio clips by scrolling down the page at their website; this lil' box can do some really crazy s**t. It would be nice if it had a footswitch input, though.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/21/14 05:14 AM
I love this thread. grin
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 12/21/14 12:29 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
This stereo filter effect has been out for a few months now, but is probably new to most of us guitarists.



You can find audio clips by scrolling down the page at their website; this lil' box can do some really crazy s**t. It would be nice if it had a footswitch input, though.


Looks like someone took the concept behind the EHX Flanger Hoax (multiple interacting Delay/Modulation effects) and carried it to the extreme! That's it, I'm off looking for one . . .
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 12/21/14 03:17 PM
And gates, Or Gates, If / Then Logic...it kind of reminds me of, and could have been named: The Flow Chart...cool though!

ps. It could also be a football option play coaches chart diagram! cool
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/21/14 11:15 PM
Not an effect, but it looks like a cool floor toy...

http://www.texasguitarwhiz.com/products/signal-splitter-box

Split my signal into discrete paths with different effects, then recombine...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/22/14 03:33 AM
^ oooooh, that's nice!

back to Filter Week!



love the momentary switch (last minute of video)!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/28/14 02:06 AM
Ohnoho's CHK CHK BOOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNLWPKI3pL0&sns=em
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/28/14 03:45 AM
Ohnoho's Utter Stutter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__6c5XN4BHU&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd5otybX1Ek&sns=em
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/28/14 05:18 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Not an effect, but it looks like a cool floor toy...

http://www.texasguitarwhiz.com/products/signal-splitter-box

Split my signal into discrete paths with different effects, then recombine...


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Originally Posted By: Analog Mike on Music Toyz Forums
HI,

César [Díaz] was very upset when Rene started to sell and take credit for these. He CC'd me on an email to Rene about that in May 2001 which I saved.

Anyway the box is very simple yet effective. It ties all the jacks together, like a Y-cord (or several Y-cords) but has an AC plug which is used just to ground the box. Then you disconnect grounds on the amps so they all share the same ground through the box.

This is simple and effective but unless you know what you are doing, you could be killed if the grounding is wrong, so I would not sell one due to liability.

Good luck!

Regards, mike ~^v^~ aNaLoG.MaN ~^v^~ vintage guitar effects

AnalogMike@aol.com www.analogman.com Analog Man
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/28/14 06:53 PM
Quote:
...you could be killed if the grounding is wrong...


I do not like these words.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/05/15 04:58 AM
More fun on the floor!

http://morpheusefxsite.abff.stackablehost.com/bomber.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDRtoEpcCuc&sns=em
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/05/15 05:08 AM
Also, has anyone ever experimented with splitting their signal?

That one I posted earlier from Texas Guitar Whiz- as well as similar devices from Lehle, Saturnworks, etc.- I wasn't thinking of going to separate amps with it, but rather, splitting the signal to have different discrete effects & combinations of effects that get recombined at the amp.

For example, imagine having your signal split 2 ways so that one chain goes through a distortion/OD, fuzz and wah, while the other goes through your chorus and B9, rejoining at your amp. To my mind, that would get you a distorted acid wah tone accompanied by celestial synthesized organ tones.

Am I right?
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/05/15 07:40 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Quote:
...you could be killed if the grounding is wrong...


I do not like these words.


Understandably so! eek freak

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz


I'm kinda likin' that more and more... I like that it doesn't seem to sound chirpy, flinty, or chorusy, but rather 'natural', and even seems to sound good clean...

______


Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Also, has anyone ever experimented with splitting their signal?

That one I posted earlier from Texas Guitar Whiz- as well as similar devices from Lehle, Saturnworks, etc.- I wasn't thinking of going to separate amps with it, but rather, splitting the signal to have different discrete effects & combinations of effects that get recombined at the amp.

For example, imagine having your signal split 2 ways so that one chain goes through a distortion/OD, fuzz and wah, while the other goes through your chorus and B9, rejoining at your amp. To my mind, that would get you a distorted acid wah tone accompanied by celestial synthesized organ tones.

Am I right?


Funny, I was thinking about very similar things just before reading your post...

You are right. I've dabbled in this kind of thing with the two channel-inputs of various combo-amps. I used to have a sweet sounding '80s Arion Stereo Flanger that I'd often use for splitting this way. And a "red-knob" '80s Fender "The Twin" had one of its several inputs that yielded the "clean" and "overdrive/distortion" channels simultaneously, balanced to taste, as well as the more usual separate inputs- both very cool for such applications!

I've also run a tube-amp and its speaker (miked or unmiked, or with or without a D/I output from the amp to the board) along with a digital-modeler/multi-effects direct to a PA and monitors, tube-amp and modeler/mfx in parallel, the signal split and going both ways via the dual/stereo outputs of either a Boss RT-20 Leslie-sim pedal or a Catalinbread Super Chili Picoso splitter/buffer/booster pedal.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 01/05/15 11:18 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Also, has anyone ever experimented with splitting their signal?

For example, imagine having your signal split 2 ways so that one chain goes through a distortion/OD, fuzz and wah, while the other goes through your chorus and B9, rejoining at your amp. To my mind, that would get you a distorted acid wah tone accompanied by celestial synthesized organ tones.

Am I right?


I've tried something like this, using a simple splitter box, and two amps; I even have a Volume pedal that doubles as a Balance pedal, so I could play with moving the sound from side to side. It took some tweaking to get the sound balanced, and even then, I wasn't convinced that it was worth the effort. In a small, intimate setting, that kind of thing can be a neat trick, in a large room or hall, no one really notices the faux-stereo effect.

Never tried using a splitter, then summing the two signal chains again? I could see where you might run into some weird phase issues trying that - like running two parallel Modulation effects. I could also see where you might have some issues with gain structure.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/05/15 02:22 PM
I ask because it is something I've been considering- obviously- and was wondering about others' experiences before dropping hundreds of dollars on an experiment. Splitters from Saturnworks, Carl Martin and Lehle run $95-195-295, respectively. Not including cables, of course.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 01/05/15 02:28 PM
Now, if you just had a pair of wah wah's for each side...LOL! cool
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/05/15 02:28 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I ask because it is something I've been considering- obviously- and was wondering about others' experiences before dropping hundreds of dollars on an experiment.


Start with something that provides two outputs that you may even already have, like some modulation pedals and the like, and/or a simple, inexpensive A/B/Y switcher and/or some of these little mini-mixers like those offered by ART, and/or multiple inputs on some guitar-amps. You may or may not run into noise, phase, impedance gremlins. Experiment, find things you like, and then decide if you need more betterer things 'n' stuff, like fancier A/B/Y switchers that include buffering, impedance matching, all that Jazz.

If you can find one, the older version of the Catalinbread Super Chili Picoso with two outputs, the second output a "non-inverted buffered output", would probably be a very good deal, and it's a sort of a Swiss-Army-Knife utility pedal, very useful in a number of ways. Besides buffering and boosting (from Unity-Gain on up to 35db!), it has a high-impedance input and two active low-impedance outputs, "inverted" and "non-inverted" so as to work well with the dual-channels and respective inputs of some blackface/silverface "Reverb" type amps; it can also work very nicely for the types of signal-path splitting that we're talking here. Been there, done that! cool twothumbs

I will eventually be getting a couple of Fulltone True-Path A/B/Y switchers; probably the ST "Soft-Touch" soft-click footswitch model, though the familiarity and positive certainty of the HT "Hard-Click" wouldn't be a bad thing, especially for live gigging...
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/05/15 02:37 PM
Originally Posted By: Larryz
Now, if you just had a pair of wah wah's for each side...LOL! cool


http://thevirtualcooler.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/homer-doh.jpg
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/05/15 02:40 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I ask because it is something I've been considering- obviously- and was wondering about others' experiences before dropping hundreds of dollars on an experiment.


Start with something that provides two outputs that you may even already have, like some modulation pedals and the like, and/or a simple, inexpensive A/B/Y switcher and/or some of these little mini-mixers like those offered by ART, and/or multiple inputs on some guitar-amps. You may or may not run into noise, phase, impedance gremlins. Experiment, find things you like, and then decide if you need more betterer things 'n' stuff, like fancier A/B/Y switchers that include buffering, impedance matching, all that Jazz.


Makes sense...
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 01/05/15 02:54 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Larryz
Now, if you just had a pair of wah wah's for each side...LOL! cool


http://thevirtualcooler.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/homer-doh.jpg


Funny! roll facepalm
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/05/15 03:33 PM
I will add that combining the dual/stereo-outputs of some "stereo" pedals downstream might result in little or no effect from that pedal, as the two signals may cancel-out each others processing-effect. Or other weirdness may result- though that may also yield some likable surprises, right?! crazy

Case in point: the "old" TC Electronic Stereo Chorus/Flanger + Pitch Modulator pedal had two outputs that, if combined/summed in mono, would cancel each others effect. When in Pitch Modulator mode, this would cancel out the modulation, but it would also yield a dial-able out-of-phase tone that could thin-out tones in a nice, likable way- for instance, making a Les Paul's humbuckers sound somewhat more like a Strat's or Tele's single-coil pickups.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/05/15 07:28 PM
Vernon Reid used to make rather extensive use of a splitter system; if you can find any interview from '93, you can check out how he did it.

moving on...Electro-Harmonix dropped this today:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/06/15 03:14 AM
Here's the rest of Johnny Hiland's Morpheus demo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTbtU81ZhD8&sns=em
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 01/06/15 12:20 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I will add that combining the dual/stereo-outputs of some "stereo" pedals downstream might result in little or no effect from that pedal, as the two signals may cancel-out each others processing-effect. Or other weirdness may result- though that may also yield some likable surprises, right?! crazy

Case in point: the "old" TC Electronic Stereo Chorus/Flanger + Pitch Modulator pedal had two outputs that, if combined/summed in mono, would cancel each others effect. When in Pitch Modulator mode, this would cancel out the modulation, but it would also yield a dial-able out-of-phase tone that could thin-out tones in a nice, likable way- for instance, making a Les Paul's humbuckers sound somewhat more like a Strat's or Tele's single-coil pickups.


The phase cancellation was the kind of problem I was thinking of, especially if you're going to sum the split signal again, to go into a single amp. Even using two matching amps, it's tricky.

My splitter box is a little old thing from Boss, the J-5, 1 In, 4 Out, no batteries, no buffering, no active electronics at all! I've had it since the late 80's, and it still works; don't know why they stopped offering it. I used to place an MXR Micro Amp in front of it, for buffering, but any Boss pedal will work for that purpose.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/07/15 01:24 PM
Vernon Reid used to use something called Ground Control, I think...looks like Voodoo Labs is making pretty much the exact same thing. It even looks just like the unit Reid used to use.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/voodoo-lab-gcx-guitar-audio-switcher
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 01/07/15 01:32 PM
IIRC, the Ground Control is the switching system for the GCX; big floor unit, with a bank of switches. My wife was looking into one of those systems for me a couple of years ago. Digital Music Corp is the digital division of VooDoo Labs. I have a couple of their MIDI patchbays, including an MX-8, a very cool MIDI tool.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/07/15 05:10 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Vernon Reid used to use something called Ground Control, I think...looks like Voodoo Labs is making pretty much the exact same thing. It even looks just like the unit Reid used to use.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/voodoo-lab-gcx-guitar-audio-switcher
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
IIRC, the Ground Control is the switching system for the GCX; big floor unit, with a bank of switches. My wife was looking into one of those systems for me a couple of years ago. Digital Music Corp is the digital division of VooDoo Labs. I have a couple of their MIDI patchbays, including an MX-8, a very cool MIDI tool.


Hmmmmmnnn.... Maybe something from them might help me to be able to simultaneously switch my Boss RT-20 Leslie-sim (connected in my amp's effects-loop) and EH B9 Organ Machine (in-line among the pedals between my guitar and amp) off and on, or in and out of the signal path, with one stomp... A little further down the road, when I can afford it, I would like to buy or build such a device...
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/07/15 06:01 PM
This is what I use:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifier...g-system?pfm=sp

You plug in 8 effects*- one in each rear slot- and then use the dip switches to choose what combination of effects you want each button to control. So, let's say you plugged in a chorus, tremolo, Pitch shifter, fuzz, ring modulator, bitcrusher/glitch pedal, reverb, and delay.

Then, you decide which effects will be engaged when a given button is selected.

For instance, button 1 might have your chorus & tremolo and nothing else. Button 2 might have both of those, plus pitch shifter & Fuzz. Button 3 might have your ring modulator and fuzz. The fourth could have your reverb, bitcrusher and chorus. Etc.









* I haven't tried it yet, but I don't see any reason why you couldn't use each of the 8 rear slots like mini effects loops, with multiple pedals plugged into each jack...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 01/08/15 11:31 AM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Hmmmmmnnn.... Maybe something from them might help me to be able to simultaneously switch my Boss RT-20 Leslie-sim (connected in my amp's effects-loop) and EH B9 Organ Machine (in-line among the pedals between my guitar and amp) off and on, or in and out of the signal path, with one stomp... A little further down the road, when I can afford it, I would like to buy or build such a device...


Caevan, I would suggest a Boss Line Selector, which has a switchable Send/Return loop. Most of the switching systems I've seen, whether for pedlaboards or racks, were meant to handle 6 or 8 or more devices, and they were all pretty damned expensive. The GCX and the Ground Control together run around $800 - the Boss pedal is around $80, and it doesn't care how many pedals or multi-efx you have in the S/R loop. Of course, you would have to have both pedals chained together, which might mean taking the RT-20 out of your amp's Effects Loop.

Boss Line Selector
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/08/15 11:59 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Hmmmmmnnn.... Maybe something from them might help me to be able to simultaneously switch my Boss RT-20 Leslie-sim (connected in my amp's effects-loop) and EH B9 Organ Machine (in-line among the pedals between my guitar and amp) off and on, or in and out of the signal path, with one stomp... A little further down the road, when I can afford it, I would like to buy or build such a device...


Of course, you would have to have both pedals chained together, which might mean taking the RT-20 out of your amp's Effects Loop.


Aye, there's the rub... I need a single-stomp solution for the two pedals, which individually need to be placed in front of the amp and in the amp's effects-loop, respectively. I'll probably have to research and cook up a DIY solution, I guess.

Too bad they don't each have a remote-switching jack like some pedals do, then I could probably rig-up a parallel three-way Y-cord and footswitch or somethin'. I'm not sure just how much of a complicated pain it would be to mod either pedal that way, with a remote switch option... They're both digital, at least in part, and off the top of my head I know that the B9 is buffered-bypass, not sure at the moment about the RT-20, but it's probably also buffered-bypass...
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 01/08/15 01:53 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Aye, there's the rub... I need a single-stomp solution for the two pedals, which individually need to be placed in front of the amp and in the amp's effects-loop, respectively. I'll probably have to research and cook up a DIY solution, I guess.
Too bad they don't each have a remote-switching jack like some pedals do, then I could probably rig-up a parallel three-way Y-cord and footswitch or somethin'. I'm not sure just how much of a complicated pain it would be to mod either pedal that way, with a remote switch option... They're both digital, at least in part, and off the top of my head I know that the B9 is buffered-bypass, not sure at the moment about the RT-20, but it's probably also buffered-bypass...


I'm perceiving a second RT20 in your future.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/08/15 02:44 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Aye, there's the rub... I need a single-stomp solution for the two pedals, which individually need to be placed in front of the amp and in the amp's effects-loop, respectively. I'll probably have to research and cook up a DIY solution, I guess.
Too bad they don't each have a remote-switching jack like some pedals do, then I could probably rig-up a parallel three-way Y-cord and footswitch or somethin'. I'm not sure just how much of a complicated pain it would be to mod either pedal that way, with a remote switch option... They're both digital, at least in part, and off the top of my head I know that the B9 is buffered-bypass, not sure at the moment about the RT-20, but it's probably also buffered-bypass...


I'm perceiving a second RT20 in your future.


Hehhehhehh... ! I can understand why you'd think that; but the RT-20, like echo and reverb devices, sounds much better overall in my amp's effects-loop, especially when using my amps overdrive/distortion channel, which I use the most by far, rolling back my guitar's volume-controls rather than channel-switching for clean and clean-ish tones.

If I were to get another Leslie sim pedal, it would likely be a Strymon Lex (though I really pine for a REAL vintage Leslie cab!); if a "rotary"/Uni-Vibe type, DEFINITELY a Fulltone MDV2 or MDV3.

And the B9 really needs to be close in line to the guitar, and also before a guitar-amps relative mid-emphasis/treble-DE-emphasis; it tracks best early in line, and it'll sound quite harsh if it's more "direct" or post-EQ and gain, at least to my ear. It can be pretty bright and peaky!

So, picky though I might be, and as much more difficult and involved as it may make a simultaneous switching solution, the RT-20 must remain in the amp's 'loop, and the B9 in front of the amp's input.

Hell, if I was running a REAL big, complicated "wet/dry" rig with an outboard power-amp and cab(s), I'd have my echo, reverb, and Leslie effects AFTER the guitar-amp altogether, either after being miked from the speaker, or via a GT Electronics Speaker Emulator. When I get it together with a regularly gigging band, I'll probably actually go that route!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 01/08/15 02:45 PM
Hey, Caevan, just sent you a PM, with some ideas about this.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/08/15 03:12 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Hey, Caevan, just sent you a PM, with some ideas about this.


Thanks! cool I had already seen that, thanks!

Hmmmnn... Y' know, I might even just make some kind of thingamajig that rests snugly on the off/on-footswitches of these two pedals, that I could step on to actuate both simultaneously... ! And easily lift away when not needing to switch both so quickly. As primitive and antiquated as it may seem, it might just be the best solution for me! crazy grin Hmmmmmnnn... ! crazy MAYBE I might even have on a hinged, anchored to the front of my pedal-board, or mounted on a weighted base for free-standing pedal-arrangements, so that it could be swung up and away when not in use, and back down again as needed... cool
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 01/10/15 11:46 PM
My thought (feeble as it may be) is get two heads, one with the RT20 in the loop and switched off (using the Carl Martin if you have to have a true bypass) along side the Leslie...the other head will have the B9 going direct with any other pedals (using a Carl Martin if you have to). Then use the AB/Y going to both heads and when you hit both (Y) with one stomp, on comes the Leslie and the B9. So, instead of an extra RT20, I see an extra amp head or so...I like Winsotn's Boss Line Selector (and one Carl Martin for the RT20 if you have to)...you guys are much better at this than me but I know you'll have fun with the DIY and Y cords. I like the two foot switches with a bar across them too LOL!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/19/15 12:46 PM
Electro Harmonix is at it again!

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/19/15 01:06 PM
Niiiiice!
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 01/19/15 02:20 PM
Man, those EH guys are really on a roll. This makes about 6 EH pedals I now have major GAS for.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/19/15 02:23 PM
They HAVE been on a bit of a roll the past year or so, haven't they?
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/19/15 03:05 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Electro Harmonix is at it again!



I had literally just finished watching that same video before clonking on this thread; very nice tremolo pedal, though I've already got a pretty snazzy tremolo (and reverb) pedal, a Strymon Flint (albeit digital, but REALLY NICE analog sounding and feeling digital), and don't really need another- even with so much fine control and so many options. FOR NOW. wink grin

Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Man, those EH guys are really on a roll. This makes about 6 EH pedals I now have major GAS for.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
They HAVE been on a bit of a roll the past year or so, haven't they?


I think that Chicagoan Bill Ruppert has had no small part in that; his experimenting with various combinations of EH pedals has led to the development of many of their latest offerings. He's the excellent player in many of their promotional demonstration videos.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/24/15 02:17 AM
Ladies & Gentlemen, the Catalinbread Anticthon:
www.sonicstate.com/amped/2015/01/23/namm-2015-catalinbread-antichthon-fuzz-tremolo-pedal/

And the Morpheus Bomber:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwAsYAKzQUA&sns=em
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/24/15 04:18 AM
Damn, that Anticthon is amazing. I lovelovelove the way it interacts with the guitar's circuitry.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/24/15 04:42 AM
Yep- and what he said about all that Re: jazzmasters makes me think about what it would do with my beloved Rverends...or a Brian May Special.

Or something like a Fret-King Gordon Giltrap or Parker guitar that has a piezo that you can put in the mix.

Or a Moog guitar.






Ohhhh, the possibilities!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/24/15 01:00 PM
That Brian May Special reference reminds me of that pickup switching system I'm still thinking of installing in my FrankenTele - that one with the 68 possible coil combinations or whatever. That plus this stompbox would be insanity squared! grin
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/24/15 03:09 PM
These guys, right?

http://www.awesome-guitars.com/0-about.html

I was thinking the same thing.
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 01/24/15 04:40 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
That Brian May Special reference reminds me of that pickup switching system I'm still thinking of installing in my FrankenTele - that one with the 68 possible coil combinations or whatever. That plus this stompbox would be insanity squared! grin


Much as I like infinite options, I pretty much now just find my one favorite pickup combination on each guitar & leave it there, making tone changes with the tone pot. 68 possible coil combos is cool, but I know I'd just find the one that I like best & stick with that. Invariably it is all pickups on, for me.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 01/24/15 05:15 PM
+1 I like to find the sweet spot on each guitar and then just play it from there. I call it playing an electric like an acoustic and/or an acoustic electric...I will admit to flipping a switch or changing a setting now and then though. cool

ps. I do the same thing with effects pedals and even amps (i.e. find that sweet spot I love best) although I do kick the pedals in and out, I rarely change the amp settings... cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/24/15 07:51 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
These guys, right?

http://www.awesome-guitars.com/0-about.html

I was thinking the same thing.


that b the 1. smile
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 01/26/15 06:10 PM
Check out the Digitec Trio, I posted it today on the 2015 Namm show thread with demos... cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/27/15 01:51 AM
is that the one-man-band pedal? I doubt I'd ever get one, but it looked really damned useful. smile
Posted By: troubledsecrets Re: cool new effects - 01/30/15 01:01 PM
that thing is making me dizzy.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 02/08/15 02:52 PM
oh, that EHX Super Pulsar pedal is now shipping. smile
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/08/15 07:16 PM
*droooz*
Posted By: Guitarzan Re: cool new effects - 02/08/15 08:00 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
That Brian May Special reference reminds me of that pickup switching system I'm still thinking of installing in my FrankenTele - that one with the 68 possible coil combinations or whatever. That plus this stompbox would be insanity squared! grin


Much as I like infinite options, I pretty much now just find my one favorite pickup combination on each guitar & leave it there, making tone changes with the tone pot. 68 possible coil combos is cool, but I know I'd just find the one that I like best & stick with that. Invariably it is all pickups on, for me.


68! that would drive me bonkers. i need to keep my pick in my right hand and my fingers on the neck. if i had 68 choices i wouldn't get very far playing. as long as i have a nice clean sound and a nice bucker in the bridge i am happy. heck i don't even use a tone control.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/08/15 11:14 PM
This is a flanger, but it seems to be a pretty nice one:

Subdecay Starlight Flanger MkII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyU1RHX4w6I&sns=em
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/09/15 02:20 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
This is a flanger, but it seems to be a pretty nice one:

Subdecay Starlight Flanger MkII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyU1RHX4w6I&sns=em



A flanger, huh... ? Iddunno... Well, as long as it seems to be a pretty nice one... wink thu
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/09/15 06:08 AM
Wah the heck?

Eleven Electric Human Sensor Wah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEUlD9XUv0Q&sns=em
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 02/09/15 04:34 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
This is a flanger, but it seems to be a pretty nice one:

Subdecay Starlight Flanger MkII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyU1RHX4w6I&sns=em




A flanger, huh... ? Iddunno... Well, as long as it seems to be a pretty nice one... wink thu


I love how he starts right off with The Cure's Primary, which was one of the great Flanger workouts of the 80's.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/09/15 04:52 PM
Perfect for early Cult, too.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 02/09/15 06:20 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Perfect for early Cult, too.


Funny thing about that; Robert Smith and Billy Duffy both use stock Boss pedals. I know Smith got the Primary sound from a Boss BF-2 Flanger.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/12/15 01:03 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Wah the heck?

Eleven Electric Human Sensor Wah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEUlD9XUv0Q&sns=em


And 2 similar devices from Z. Vex pedals:
http://www.zvex.com/VWP.html
http://www.zvex.com/VFP.html
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/12/15 01:11 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Perfect for early Cult, too.


Funny thing about that; Robert Smith and Billy Duffy both use stock Boss pedals. I know Smith got the Primary sound from a Boss BF-2 Flanger.


Oh, I don't doubt that for a second. I mean, if you look at most pro boards over the past 50 years, you're going to see a lot of big name brand pedals and only a very small number of small-company or "BOO-TEEK" pedals. Even younger big name guitarists you'd suspect of favoring exotic stuff only will sometimes surprise you when they reveal an old, beat up Boss pedal or some such as a key to their distinctive sound.

The reasons are many: availability, familiarity, functionality, reliability, etc. Who made 'em don't much matter as long as the doggone things get the job done, right?
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 02/12/15 11:22 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Perfect for early Cult, too.


Funny thing about that; Robert Smith and Billy Duffy both use stock Boss pedals. I know Smith got the Primary sound from a Boss BF-2 Flanger.


The reasons are many: availability, familiarity, functionality, reliability, etc. Who made 'em don't much matter as long as the doggone things get the job done, right?


Exactly that. Billy Duffy says he doesn't need to be hunting down some oddball box when he's on tour. If something breaks down, he can walk into nearly any music store anywhere, and find a replacement.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/12/15 01:40 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Perfect for early Cult, too.


Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Funny thing about that; Robert Smith and Billy Duffy both use stock Boss pedals. I know Smith got the Primary sound from a Boss BF-2 Flanger.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
The reasons are many: availability, familiarity, functionality, reliability, etc. Who made 'em don't much matter as long as the doggone things get the job done, right?

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith

Exactly that. Billy Duffy says he doesn't need to be hunting down some oddball box when he's on tour. If something breaks down, he can walk into nearly any music store anywhere, and find a replacement.


Sayeth the man who uses Gretsch White Falcons... facepalm roll
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 02/12/15 09:02 PM
kinda crazy to see an article like this so early in the year, but here it is:

http://reverb.com/blog/the-most-hyped-pe...campaign=buffer

...love that wah-with-no-actual-pedal posted up above!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/12/15 10:15 PM
I didn't hype anything...













Or did I? whistle
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/13/15 01:27 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
kinda crazy to see an article like this so early in the year, but here it is:

http://reverb.com/blog/the-most-hyped-pe...campaign=buffer

...love that wah-with-no-actual-pedal posted up above!


Damn... there are some very interesting pedals described there...
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/13/15 05:41 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo


...love that wah-with-no-actual-pedal posted up above!


Bruce Lee might describe those as "having no wah as wah, no motion as motion".
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 02/19/15 04:34 AM
from the top-of-page banner ad to you!

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/19/15 05:52 AM
Now THAT is a special kind of alarm clock!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 03/10/15 09:20 PM
Electro-Harmonix has reissued the Bad Stone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0csEWuzbNRg
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/10/15 10:15 PM
We've already seen the Red Panda Bitmap in this thread (reminder):
Red Panda Labs Bitmap
http://redpandalab.com/products/bitmap/

But nobody mentioned the Particle!
Red Panda Labs Particle
http://redpandalab.com/products/particle/
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 03/10/15 10:50 PM
damn, that was cool - and I really, really liked the mp3 clip of it being used on a human voice...but what's with the no-batteries thing?
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/11/15 12:52 AM
I've seen more and more pedals doing that. Perhaps it makes for a more compact design?
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 03/17/15 05:30 PM
maybe they're just assuming that everyone who'd purchase it is using a pedalboard with power supply...and they're probably right.

anyway...Electro-Harmonix is showing off this new reverb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wnhU2CiTeM

smile
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/02/15 12:41 AM
Not sure if real...

https://robertkeeley.com/product/absolute-wurst/
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/03/15 05:18 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Not sure if real...

https://robertkeeley.com/product/absolute-wurst/


They just sent out another email claiming its a real pedal. Could be real.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/03/15 05:22 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Not sure if real...

https://robertkeeley.com/product/absolute-wurst/


They just sent out another email claiming its a real pedal. Could be real.


Unreal, man. wink

No, seriously, I think it's for real.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/03/15 05:41 PM
KEELEY!

We. Need. Demos!
Posted By: p90jr Re: cool new effects - 04/03/15 11:02 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
This stereo filter effect has been out for a few months now, but is probably new to most of us guitarists.



You can find audio clips by scrolling down the page at their website; this lil' box can do some really crazy s**t. It would be nice if it had a footswitch input, though.


I do not want to try to tweak this onstage.
Posted By: p90jr Re: cool new effects - 04/03/15 11:03 PM
I gave in to the stupid deal of the day a couple of days ago:

Mooger Fooger mini MF Trem. Haven't had a change to plug it in, yet.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/04/15 01:31 AM


Originally Posted By: p90jr
I do not want to try to tweak this onstage.


facepalm freak crazy laugh grin thu

Too funny! NOT for those who've had a few beers... !

Originally Posted By: p90jr
I gave in to the stupid deal of the day a couple of days ago:

Mooger Fooger mini MF Trem. Haven't had a change to plug it in, yet.


Good for you! Congratulations; enjoy it in good health. Fill us in later. cool twothumbs
Posted By: p90jr Re: cool new effects - 04/04/15 03:20 PM
From a few minutes of messing around with it: very cool... more of a range of things than a normal tremolo pedal, some real otherworldly sounds available. It has a "shape" control that I need to play with more.

Pay attention to Musician's Friend, as they seem to blowing this line of pedals out in their deal of the day. Got it for $89... a friend succumbed to the delay for $135 a few weeks ago, and the day before this one came up it was the deal again for $115 (he was pretty pissed).
Posted By: Fred_C Re: cool new effects - 04/04/15 05:06 PM
Originally Posted By: p90jr


Pay attention to Musician's Friend, as they seem to blowing this line of pedals out in their deal of the day. Got it for $89... a friend succumbed to the delay for $135 a few weeks ago, and the day before this one came up it was the deal again for $115 (he was pretty pissed).


Tell your friend to call MF Customer Service. If he is within the 45 day return period I'm fairly certain they'll honor the deal.
Posted By: Danzilla Re: cool new effects - 04/06/15 02:06 PM
Ok, so it's not a NEW effect, but it's a new pedal to me:

I, too gave in to a sale (Prymaxe Vintage's St Patrick's Day sale - 20% off!) and got something I'd wanted for some time: The Big Joe Stomp Box Company Phaser. Goes from subtle to strange. The mix knob was the big seller for me. I'm trying not to go overboard, but I'm finding a little bit can fit in nicely so many places. If I can ever get the pics off of my new cell phone, I'll post them.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/06/15 03:03 PM
Originally Posted By: Danzilla
Ok, so it's not a NEW effect, but it's a new pedal to me:

I, too gave in to a sale (Prymaxe Vintage's St Patrick's Day sale - 20% off!) and got something I'd wanted for some time: The Big Joe Stomp Box Company Phaser. Goes from subtle to strange. The mix knob was the big seller for me. I'm trying not to go overboard, but I'm finding a little bit can fit in nicely so many places. If I can ever get the pics off of my new cell phone, I'll post them.


You're just going through a phase... rimshot laugh grin thu
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/06/15 09:16 PM
Channel your inner Mario!

http://www.noisemakereffects.com/crbst_24.html

http://www.noisemakereffects.com/noiseinvaders.html

http://www.noisemakereffects.com/plus.html
Posted By: Danzilla Re: cool new effects - 04/07/15 11:58 AM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Danzilla
Ok, so it's not a NEW effect, but it's a new pedal to me:

I, too gave in to a sale (Prymaxe Vintage's St Patrick's Day sale - 20% off!) and got something I'd wanted for some time: The Big Joe Stomp Box Company Phaser. Goes from subtle to strange. The mix knob was the big seller for me. I'm trying not to go overboard, but I'm finding a little bit can fit in nicely so many places. If I can ever get the pics off of my new cell phone, I'll post them.


You're just going through a phase... rimshot laugh grin thu


twothumbs

At any Rate, I appreciate your Feedback. You always add Depth to these discussions, Caevan.
Posted By: Griffinator Re: cool new effects - 04/07/15 12:02 PM
Originally Posted By: Danzilla
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Danzilla
Ok, so it's not a NEW effect, but it's a new pedal to me:

I, too gave in to a sale (Prymaxe Vintage's St Patrick's Day sale - 20% off!) and got something I'd wanted for some time: The Big Joe Stomp Box Company Phaser. Goes from subtle to strange. The mix knob was the big seller for me. I'm trying not to go overboard, but I'm finding a little bit can fit in nicely so many places. If I can ever get the pics off of my new cell phone, I'll post them.


You're just going through a phase... rimshot laugh grin thu


twothumbs

At any Rate, I appreciate your Feedback. You always add Depth to these discussions, Caevan.


Oh boy. At this Speed, the pun factor in this thread will Drive us all to madness aGain...
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 04/07/15 01:10 PM
Too much Speed and you'll go into the Tremolo Phase, which is the best use I found for the effect...Welcome to Puns R Us... laugh
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/17/15 02:52 PM
Why are pedal makers always trying to take my money?

https://robertkeeley.com/product/sojourner-fuzz-verb/
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/17/15 04:12 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Why are pedal makers always trying to take my money?

https://robertkeeley.com/product/sojourner-fuzz-verb/


Wow, that's pretty awesome, 'on paper'. I'd be plenty happy with just the fuzz side, apparently similar or the same as the Keeley Psi Fuzz pedal (which I wasn't aware of til now- thanks!). Hmmmmmmmmmnnnn.... crazy
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/17/15 04:50 PM
BTW, Caev- your recommendation to me a couple years ago that I should get an octave fuzz? I bought a Catalinbread Perseus this month. grin
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/17/15 04:57 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
BTW, Caev- your recommendation to me a couple years ago that I should get an octave fuzz? I bought a Catalinbread Perseus this month. grin


Cool; how d'ya like it?

I've got a Dunlop/MXR Blue box, two octaves-down fuzz like that, which is fun, but I generally find it a bit limited and don't use it a lot; I have combined it with other octave-(up)-fuzzes and distortion pedals, which yields some wild sci-fi sounds. grin thu cool

I REALLY dig vintage-y octave-up fuzz, and also one-octave-down fuzzes; for example, my beloved Foxrox Octron... !! crazy What an AWESOME pedal! Basically an upgraded fOXX Tone Machine (strong octave-up fuzz), a clean/straight buffer/boost, and the octave-down fuzz of a Mutron Octave Divider, all in one pedal... !

twothumbs coolrawk
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/17/15 05:07 PM
Quote:
Cool; how d'ya like it?


Well, it looks REALLY cool sitting in the little cardboard shipping box! laugh

This is my "Year of the Pedal"- I've been buying stuff I felt I needed or simply just wanted, whenever I find a good deal. But I've been too freaking busy- mostly family stuff (trying to help some people move to the area)- to get in any quality time with my purchases. frown

Well, priorities are what they are, y'know?
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/18/15 08:31 PM
Digitech's Obscura, anyone?

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/18/15 11:15 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Digitech's Obscura, anyone?



Cool. I like the pseudo reverse/gated-delay effects. And I REALLY like the "warp" ramp-up/down in pitch and speed when tap-tempo changes are toe-tapped. I wouldn't mind if that were a switchable option on my El Capistan. Speaking of which, it doesn't make me want to replace my beloved El Cap, but if I had moneys to burn, I might buy one to go with it. Speaking of which, what is the going rate for one, or is it even available for sale anywhere yet? I mean, it's been what, since last January or before that it's been publicised?
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/19/15 12:11 AM
Haven't seen any for sale, yet, but according to one article, it has a MSRP of @$187.

You might be thinking of a different pedal- most of what I've seen of this'n is from this year.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/19/15 12:56 AM
There was some rather premature and odd chatter about it put out by at least one retailer this past Winter...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/19/15 01:11 AM
http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2015/04/18/boss-intros-sy-300-guitar-synthesizer/

No hex pickup required.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/19/15 01:25 AM
We'll, THAT'S definitely different!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/19/15 02:26 AM
I'd buy one. smile
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/19/15 10:48 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2015/04/18/boss-intros-sy-300-guitar-synthesizer/

No hex pickup required.
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
We'll, THAT'S definitely different!
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
I'd buy one. smile


That's pretty cool! Hmmmmmnnnn.... if I could afford one....
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/27/15 10:13 AM
Certainly VERY cool, and with the improvements, upgrades and downsizing, I think it qualifies enough for "new":


Hey hey, my my... rawk

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Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 04/27/15 12:43 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Certainly VERY cool, and with the improvements, upgrades and downsizing, I think it qualifies enough for "new":
Hey hey, my my... rawk
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Yup, what's old is new again. I still own an original Mutron Octave Divider, purchased new in whenever they came out, 1972? Now if they want to repackage the BiPhase into a pedal the size of a Phase 90 I could get very interested.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/27/15 01:49 PM
Caev & I have been discussing octave divider pedals recently- there's another compact update of the concept, from Salvation Mods:

http://salvationmods.com/index.php?page=vivider
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/27/15 02:03 PM
Aaaaand just stumbled onto this- the Montreal Assembly Count to Five:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fpAFzXC-to&sns=em

It's almost like a miniaturized King Capitol Punishment/Skychord Glamour Box...
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/27/15 02:27 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Yup, what's old is new again. I still own an original Mutron Octave Divider, purchased new in whenever they came out, 1972? Now if they want to repackage the BiPhase into a pedal the size of a Phase 90 I could get very interested.


That's a mighty tall order! One thing to recreate or "clone" it, and even to make it more compact; but to somehow get all of the circuitry AND all those controls crammed into a Phase 90 size box? Hmmmmmmmnnnnn.... Virtually impossible. Or at the least very tough and impractical, certainly quite costly!

You could get a couple of these, or a couple of Minifooger phasers or other boutiquey, highfalutin feature-laden phasers, and hook 'em up to run either series or parallel...

Or, you could get one of these; while it's smaller than a hoary aulde Mu-Tron Bi-Phase, it's not nearly as small as a Phase 90, or even two Phase 90's.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Caev & I have been discussing octave divider pedals recently- there's another compact update of the concept, from Salvation Mods:

http://salvationmods.com/index.php?page=vivider


I wanna see a "shootout" comparison between the Foxrox Octron, Mu-Tron Octave-Divider, and this new Salvation Mods Vivider... cool


Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Aaaaand just stumbled onto this- the Montreal Assembly Count to Five:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fpAFzXC-to&sns=em

It's almost like a miniaturized King Capitol Punishment/Skychord Glamour Box...


Dat's messtupp! laugh grin
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/27/15 11:54 PM
I may have to scour this person's youtube channel- the same who brought the Count to Five to my attention has posted lots of unusual pedals, including the Chase Bliss Wombtone mkII:



And the Dwarfcraft Gears:



Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/28/15 12:51 AM
In the meantime, this pedal makes me want to grab my space suit and surfboard and ride the waves on Titan's methane seas, then play one of my Revs on the beach under a night sky filled with the reflected light from Saturn's rings...

Death by Audio's Reverberation Machine

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/28/15 07:28 AM
In short, cool
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/05/15 09:41 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
...but what's with the no-batteries thing?

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I've seen more and more pedals doing that. Perhaps it makes for a more compact design?


Lower cost, simpler design, and some designs may draw more than batteries can keep supplying for any usable amount of time. And yeah, compact size may sometimes be a factor, too.


Now, for more goodies! grin thu


The Z. Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky imparted a very distinctive, lo-fi and warbling sound to whatever was run into its repeating loop, but not onto the unlooped signal, which remained throughput "dry"/"straight".

THIS, the Z.Vex Effects Instant Lo-Fi Junky, gives you that same tone- and more! grin cool - in instant, live real-time (tonal degradation, filtering, modulation and compression, without delay or repeating/looping).




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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/05/15 01:10 PM
MOAR wierdness!



Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/06/15 05:37 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
MOAR wierdness!





Isn't it more- ehr, MOAR fun to make moar- ehr, more 'conventional' pedals give up noise, hiss, ring-modulation-like sounds, squeally oscillation, and the like? wink


In that spirit- or perhaps in spite of it- looking at the Keeley Sojourner Fuzz Verb that you'd (Danny'd) pointed out before here, I'd love it if the order could be reversed- that is, sending its reverb through its fuzz, perhaps with the option of blending-in straight/dry un-fuzzed, un-'verbed, all-analog signal from the input... I've found that there are times that I REALLY like overdriven, distorted, and/or fuzzed reverberation... It'd be rrreeeaalllllyyy niiiiiiice to be able to create, summon, and dismiss such a sonic ifrit without a labyrinthine network of series and parallel cables, pedals, splitters, buffers, and/or mixers... !


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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/06/15 01:16 PM
That kind of impulse is why I have things like my Carl Martin Octa-Switch! wink
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/06/15 01:27 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
That kind of impulse is why I have things like my Carl Martin Octa-Switch! wink


Good call, good call... I'll probably wind-up with something like that, myself...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 05/11/15 01:00 PM
I don't know how new this pedal is, but this review video went up a week ago.



never a big fan of the BM series, but I do like that this one has a built-in noise gate. smile
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/11/15 09:10 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
never a big fan of the BM series, but I do like that this one has a built-in noise gate. smile


I'm amazed at just how very quiet and low-noise the VFE Fiery Red Horse "Saturated Fuzz" is, which is initially based on the old "triangle"-era EH Big Muff Pi's of the '70s- and it DOESN'T have a noise-gate; it doesn't need one.

'Gated' fuzz effects can be had by rolling-back its voltage in three areas of its circuitry to the point of sag and starvation via the Power control, and midrange can be added to the Pi's scooped slice by its aptly-named Mid knob. (Instead of the Mid-knob, the latest version has a Baxandall EQ circuit with Bass and Treble controls; if one turns down the Bass and Treble knobs while increasing the Level (output-volume), a mid-boost emphasis will be achieved, and vice-verse... )

Going into a clean amp, it's virtually dead quiet; going into an overdriven or distorted amp or stacked into other gain and dirt pedals, it contributes a LOT less noise to the signal-chain than you'd expect. Anyone that digs BMP's would almost certainly find what they'd like in this pedal's extremely versatile controls and features and, again, it's MUCH quieter than most of its ilk... cool
Posted By: p90jr Re: cool new effects - 05/11/15 10:51 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
That kind of impulse is why I have things like my Carl Martin Octa-Switch! wink


how do you dig that?

I wanted one, or even the full Ground Control or gig rig set up... but I tend to mix effects on the fly a lot to get the tones I want.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/12/15 12:38 AM
I really like it. It is everything they claim: durable, intuitive, easy to use.

Plug in 8 pedals, and you can choose 8 different combinations of those effects.

The way I set it up to test it was with my tuner and OD & distortion before it, with a chorus, tremolo, Boss Space Echo, Boss Rotary, and Fuzz pedals plugged into it. I set it to space echo only, Rotary only, chorus + tremolo, chorus + fuzz, rotary + fuzz, chorus + echo, chorus + echo + tremolo + fuzz, and all 5 plugged in.

With all the pedals on, and the Octo not engaged, I had an overdriven, distorted rock tone, and nothing else. Once I tapped one of the preset buttons, the OD & Dist would be funneled through the other effects in the preset, and ONLY those in the selected preset. There was no lag- none that I could detect, anyway. I don't recall any pops, either.

So I could start playing something and- depending on how much tapdancing I wanted to do- have a sonic journey extraordinaire.

The ONLY problem is one of simple physics: 2 objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time. The Octo needs to be in front of your board, closest to your feet (unless you mount it up high where you can use your hands) to be able to switch settings on the fly. So if you have a pedal with a built in or ancillary expression pedal like my Boss space echo or rotary, you really don't want to put it into the Octo- you won't be able to reach the expression pedal.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/12/15 09:47 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I really like it. It is everything they claim: durable, intuitive, easy to use.

The ONLY problem is one of simple physics: 2 objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time. The Octo needs to be in front of your board, closest to your feet (unless you mount it up high where you can use your hands) to be able to switch settings on the fly. So if you have a pedal with a built in or ancillary expression pedal like my Boss space echo or rotary, you really don't want to put it into the Octo- you won't be able to reach the expression pedal.


I'd run into similar enough issues when laying-out pedal-arrangement on my pedalboard; for the same reasons, it's a LOT easier for me to have my RT-20, El Capistan and its outboard Tap/Favorite switch, and RC-20XL up front, rather than balance and reach over other pedals to do fast/slow/brake, tap-tempo, hold-for-infinite-echo-feedback, looper-manipulation, and such moves.

Now, in considering something like the Octo, I'd thought that maybe putting such a switcher to the rear of the board might work, especially if on a riser or otherwise lifted up for greater ease of access. Might that work for you?
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/12/15 10:52 AM
Those are both options I've been thinking about.

Putting it to the rear could be problematic. The eight pedal inputs into the Octa are all in its backside. That means, you'd have to run the cables over, under or around it- each option has +/- to it- or turning the Octo around so its rear faces you. But that makes ITS switches harder to access,

So, yeah, that makes mounting it on a riser one of the better solutions.

...which has all been integral in me talking about dividing my pedals into genre-specific groupings, getting REAL, well-made pedalboards to house said groupings...and getting more Octas (and power supplies).

All part of my Year of the Pedal initiative. The not-as-fun, expensive, LAST part.

Well, there is SOME fun in looking at pedalboards...here's my front-runner.

http://www.chemistrydesignwerks.com/holeyboard-wide.html
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/12/15 11:22 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Putting it to the rear could be problematic. The eight pedal inputs into the Octa are all in its backside. That means, you'd have to run the cables over, under or around it...


Using compact right-angle plugs on cut-to-fit cables (leaving a little extra for strain-relief), soldered or solderless, and running them beneath the Octa and pedalboard would minimize those troubles.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
So, yeah, that makes mounting it on a riser one of the better solutions.


What I had in mind was raising the Octa just enough to make its switches easily accessible; using them isn't quite as involved as, say, tap-tempo or hold-and-release maneuvers, which could be up-front...

It occurs to me that the Octa would be improved if the plug/jack matrix and the footswitch-array were two separate units, connected by a cable- so that you could have the footswitch-bank located remotely, instead of right on the same pedalboard. As an Octa owner and user, you might suggest that to Carl Martin...

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
...which has all been integral in me talking about dividing my pedals into genre-specific groupings, getting REAL, well-made pedalboards to house said groupings...and getting more Octas (and power supplies).

All part of my Year of the Pedal initiative. The not-as-fun, expensive, LAST part.


I'd also considered putting together two, smaller pedalboards- one for everything before the amp's input, and the other for everything connected in the amp's effects-loop.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Well, there is SOME fun in looking at pedalboards...here's my front-runner.

http://www.chemistrydesignwerks.com/holeyboard-wide.html


If you're continuing to stick mostly to home/studio use, those HoleyBoards would be an even better option than if you were gigging a lot; they seem rather cumbersome and awkward, particularly with those loose bags instead of out-and-out cases, "soft" OR "hard".
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/12/15 12:39 PM
Quote:
Using compact right-angle plugs on cut-to-fit cables (leaving a little extra for strain-relief), soldered or solderless, and running them beneath the Octa and pedalboard would minimize those troubles.


I try to use compact cables as it is.

Unless there was some kind of clearance created for the cables, I wouldn't feel comfy resting the Octo on them. There would be juuuust enough instability that your selection/deselection would be jeopardized. Not to mention the wear & tear on the cables themselves.

Quote:
It occurs to me that the Octa would be improved if the plug/jack matrix and the footswitch-array were two separate units, connected by a cable- so that you could have the footswitch-bank located remotely, instead of right on the same pedalboard. As an Octa owner and user, you might suggest that to Carl Martin...


THAT has serious potential. Not only would that potentially solve the described problem- hopefully,me it's minimal tonal impact- it could also lead to a bigger version of the unit.

Quote:
I'd also considered putting together two, smaller pedalboards- one for everything before the amp's input, and the other for everything connected in the amp's effects-loop.

Clearly a gigging musician's solution. Very practical!

Quote:
If you're continuing to stick mostly to home/studio use, those HoleyBoards would be an even better option than if you were gigging a lot; they seem rather cumbersome and awkward, particularly with those loose bags instead of out-and-out cases, "soft" OR "hard".


True.

One of the big attractions of the Holey Boards- besides their aesthetics- is the tie-down method of pedal attachment. I've seen others do that with some homemade boards, and it really does seem to secure the pedals like nothing else.

(Of course, if it is a battery operated pedal, it creates its own problem...)

Part of my problem with more traditional boards is size. An inordinate number of my pedals are behemoths. Ever see a Morpheus Dive Bomber? They're freakin' HUGE! By not having hard sides enclosing things, the Holey Boards give me precious extra cm to work with.

OTOH, their curvature and LACK of a hard carrying case introduce problems of their own, not the least of which is storing the damn things! If I do follow through and make multiple, discrete, genre-defined boards- and possibly 1+ for the effects loop- storage of the boards while not in use becomes increasingly important.

I'm smart enough to recognize the plusses & minuses of the various commercial boards, and maybe even design my own. But I lack the tools, fabrication/assembly skills and- most importantly- the will to make my own from scratch. wink

All of which will be considered when the time comes.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/12/15 01:48 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Using compact right-angle plugs on cut-to-fit cables (leaving a little extra for strain-relief), soldered or solderless, and running them beneath the Octa and pedalboard would minimize those troubles.


I try to use compact cables as it is.

Unless there was some kind of clearance created for the cables, I wouldn't feel comfy resting the Octo on them. There would be juuuust enough instability that your selection/deselection would be jeopardized. Not to mention the wear & tear on the cables themselves.


Oh, I did mean running the cables under the pedalboard, which would be beneath the Octa. Yeah, I wouldn't intend to run cables directly beneath a pedal.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
It occurs to me that the Octa would be improved if the plug/jack matrix and the footswitch-array were two separate units, connected by a cable- so that you could have the footswitch-bank located remotely, instead of right on the same pedalboard. As an Octa owner and user, you might suggest that to Carl Martin...


THAT has serious potential. Not only would that potentially solve the described problem- hopefully,me it's minimal tonal impact- it could also lead to a bigger version of the unit.


Please forward that to Carl Martin. thu

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I'd also considered putting together two, smaller pedalboards- one for everything before the amp's input, and the other for everything connected in the amp's effects-loop.


Clearly a gigging musician's solution. Very practical!


Yeah, it'd allow the two smaller 'boards to be arranged at an angle to each other, in front of the player, although it also makes for TWO things to carry, etc. I wound up getting one very large Pedaltrain Pro with a case.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Part of my problem with more traditional boards is size. An inordinate number of my pedals are behemoths. Ever see a Morpheus Dive Bomber? They're freakin' HUGE! By not having hard sides enclosing things, the Holey Boards give me precious extra cm to work with.


Yeah, tell me about it! crazy grin A number of my pedals are quite large and even enormous; in particular, a Sustainiac Model C (link to a big picture of a big pedal), among others. Most of my pedals are on the fairly big side.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
OTOH, their curvature and LACK of a hard carrying case introduce problems of their own, not the least of which is storing the damn things! If I do follow through and make multiple, discrete, genre-defined boards- and possibly 1+ for the effects loop- storage of the boards while not in use becomes increasingly important.


One thing that I really like about the HoleyBoards is that curved design. A similarly curvaceous Pedaltrain with matching hard-case would be ideal for me! I like having pedals somewhat radially arrayed; I had a quick-and-dirty plywood 'n' duct-tape affair that I arranged like that...


Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/12/15 03:54 PM
The Dive Bomber is the size of 2 normal Wah pedals, side by side. That is some serious floor space.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 05/19/15 02:20 AM
Looks like Strymon's got a new baby to show off tomorrow:

https://twitter.com/strymon/status/600478467298234369
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/19/15 06:56 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Looks like Strymon's got a new baby to show off tomorrow:

https://twitter.com/strymon/status/600478467298234369


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnn....
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/19/15 05:27 PM
Well, here it is:


____. Strymon DIG Dual Digital Delay


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Posted By: picker Re: cool new effects - 05/20/15 02:15 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Also, has anyone ever experimented with splitting their signal?
a long time ago, I used two DOD passive mixers, one to split the signal into 4 different rack effects and the second to recombine the signals. The output and input came from the effects loop on my amp. It worked great, no problems to speak of, except I found that I liked the way the gadgets sounded going from one to the next and back into the amp. The interaction of the sounds gave me more of the tone I liked, although I would freely admit it was also what I was most used to. Somebody else might like it better. It just wasn't for me.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 05/21/15 07:23 PM
Originally Posted By: picker
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Also, has anyone ever experimented with splitting their signal?
a long time ago, I used two DOD passive mixers, one to split the signal into 4 different rack effects and the second to recombine the signals. The output and input came from the effects loop on my amp.


I've used "stereo" pedals, like a Flanger or Chorus with dual Outs, which is very straightforward, if you're not using two amps that are horribly mis-matched. I've also used an old Boss J-5 passive splitter box with an MXR Micro Amp in front of it, to drive dual effects chains to different amps. Lots of fun with sounds, but it's easy to run into phase or gain issues with a rig like that.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 05/21/15 08:01 PM
Phase 1: I had/have an old Dan Electro chorus pedal with stereo outs that allows a signal split which I would run last in the signal chain. I lost interest quick in the concept of carrying around two amplifiers and in the chorus effect as well. You could get some very cool sounds with it though...

Phase 2: I had/have a Fender Floor pedal with dual xlr and dual 1/4" outs, that I can run to 1 or 2 channels of my PA or to two different amps. But, I really don't feel any big advantage as I usually wind up setting both channels on the PA the same. Plus, I feel guilty tying up 2 channels for guitar and 1 channel for my mic on an 8 channel mixer, as it only leaves 5 open for my buddies...

Phase 3: I have a new little Roland Cube EX4 amp which I can use as a monitor and then run it to the mixer on my PA. It has two 1/4" outs left and right and switch for using stereo or mono. So, here I go again with the experimenting...next time I set up the PA. Only this time instead of working with a split guitar signal, I'll be premixing the guitar and mic...and I will only tie up 2 channels on the PA leaving 6 open for my buddies LOL! Anyway, it should be fun to play around with even though I'm getting a little OT from just using the pedal(s). I actually prefer mono LOL! cool
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/08/15 01:32 PM
Funness!
http://proguitarshop.com/blackout-effectors-fuzz-bear.html

http://proguitarshop.com/catalinbread-fuzzrite.html
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 06/08/15 02:14 PM
If anyone is interested, Korg has shipped 90 of the Miku Stomp pedals to the U.S., to test the market, I guess. My FLMS got 3 of those, and of course, I got one. Still testing it out, but I'll have some tracks up soon. I don't know who got any of the others, but I suspect they mostly went to independents, rather than GC. I guarantee you, you don't have anything like it.

Korg Miku Stomp
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/08/15 02:21 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
If anyone is interested, Korg has shipped 90 of the Miku Stomp pedals to the U.S., to test the market, I guess. My FLMS got 3 of those, and of course, I got one. Still testing it out, but I'll have some tracks up soon. I don't know who got any of the others, but I suspect they mostly went to independents, rather than GC. I guarantee you, you don't have anything like it.

Korg Miku Stomp


Cool. cool



Cool; I particularly like that Blackout Effectors Fuzz Bear. crazy cool I really like that!

Check this out (I don't think I've posted this here on this thread before)- based on the old Shin-ei FY-6/Univox Super-Fuzz, upgraded and enhanced, with added controls for extra flexibility:

________ Wattson Classic Electronics EFY-6


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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/09/15 01:09 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
If anyone is interested, Korg has shipped 90 of the Miku Stomp pedals to the U.S., to test the market, I guess. My FLMS got 3 of those, and of course, I got one. Still testing it out, but I'll have some tracks up soon. I don't know who got any of the others, but I suspect they mostly went to independents, rather than GC. I guarantee you, you don't have anything like it.

Korg Miku Stomp


This part interested me more than all the demos I've seen thus far:
Quote:
A dedicated iPhone app makes it easy to enter lyrics
In addition to the internal preset lyric patterns, MIKU STOMP provides a user area that lets you vocalize any desired lyrics. Operation is easy; use the dedicated iPhone app to enter text data, load it via your guitar pickup, and then just play your guitar. Hatsune Miku will immediately start singing your original lyrics. The user area accommodates up to 6,000 characters (*), so you'll be able to enter an entire song worth of lyrics.
* Although this iPhone app can be used with an English system, MIKU STOMP's vocal functionality supports only Japanese. While it does not support input of English lyrics, it does support input of "romaji," the method of using the Latin alphabet to express Japanese. When entering Japanese directly, “hiragana” and “katakana” input are supported.


I have an iPhone...now I'd just need to learn enough Japanese to make the feature useful (if I bought the pedal). I know a little bit, but my vocabulary needs expansion.

Lesson 1: "Dangerous"
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 06/09/15 02:03 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz

This part interested me more than all the demos I've seen thus far:
Quote:
A dedicated iPhone app makes it easy to enter lyrics
In addition to the internal preset lyric patterns, MIKU STOMP provides a user area that lets you vocalize any desired lyrics. Operation is easy; use the dedicated iPhone app to enter text data, load it via your guitar pickup, and then just play your guitar. Hatsune Miku will immediately start singing your original lyrics. The user area accommodates up to 6,000 characters (*), so you'll be able to enter an entire song worth of lyrics.
* Although this iPhone app can be used with an English system, MIKU STOMP's vocal functionality supports only Japanese. While it does not support input of English lyrics, it does support input of "romaji," the method of using the Latin alphabet to express Japanese. When entering Japanese directly, “hiragana” and “katakana” input are supported.


I have an iPhone...now I'd just need to learn enough Japanese to make the feature useful (if I bought the pedal). I know a little bit, but my vocabulary needs expansion.


I've been running through what I call a "Stupid Loop", in trying to access the iPhone app. First off, it's only available through the Japanese iTunes Store, so I can't download it directly to my iPhone - can't use my computer as a workaround, for the same reason. If I try to create an iTunes account with the Japanese iTunes store, it asks me for an address in Japan, then switches me back to the U.S. iTunes store. There's probably a workaround, or else Korg and iTunes may make the app available over here, now that they're shipping the pedal, but for now, you can't get there from here.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/09/15 02:06 PM
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/09/15 02:40 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz

This part interested me more than all the demos I've seen thus far:
Quote:
A dedicated iPhone app makes it easy to enter lyrics
In addition to the internal preset lyric patterns, MIKU STOMP provides a user area that lets you vocalize any desired lyrics. Operation is easy; use the dedicated iPhone app to enter text data, load it via your guitar pickup, and then just play your guitar. Hatsune Miku will immediately start singing your original lyrics. The user area accommodates up to 6,000 characters (*), so you'll be able to enter an entire song worth of lyrics.
* Although this iPhone app can be used with an English system, MIKU STOMP's vocal functionality supports only Japanese. While it does not support input of English lyrics, it does support input of "romaji," the method of using the Latin alphabet to express Japanese. When entering Japanese directly, “hiragana” and “katakana” input are supported.


I have an iPhone...now I'd just need to learn enough Japanese to make the feature useful (if I bought the pedal). I know a little bit, but my vocabulary needs expansion.


I've been running through what I call a "Stupid Loop", in trying to access the iPhone app. First off, it's only available through the Japanese iTunes Store, so I can't download it directly to my iPhone - can't use my computer as a workaround, for the same reason. If I try to create an iTunes account with the Japanese iTunes store, it asks me for an address in Japan, then switches me back to the U.S. iTunes store. There's probably a workaround, or else Korg and iTunes may make the app available over here, now that they're shipping the pedal, but for now, you can't get there from here.
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz


Another 'workaround'- "everything old is new again" to the rescue... wink

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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/09/15 03:04 PM
Yes, but the point of the Miku is that you sound like Miku, not that you sound like very bad Frampton. wink

Besides, I'm playing a guitar, not a mutant wind instrument! grin
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/09/15 03:22 PM
'Besides, I'm playing a guitar, not a mutant wind instrument... or a virtual little Japanese girly-girl... '

wink

I suggested the Banshee 2, half-kiddingly, half-seriously, as a possible means to get a similar effect... 'S all good. smile

I must confess, I like the sound of layering the talk-box effected tone over the straight-amp-tone, as per the example given in that promotional vid...

And everyone forgets the fantastic use that David Gilmour put the talk-box to, when the topic of famous examples comes up...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 06/09/15 04:03 PM
Caevan, I love the idea of the Talk-Box sound, but never wanted to invest in one. My workaround for the Talk-Box sound involves a small synth with a Vocoder; sing into the Vocoder mic, and trigger synth tones with my guitar, via MIDI. I can also run the guitar audio signal through a second Audio In jack, so my voice modulates the guitar sound.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/09/15 04:12 PM
Don't get me wrong- I like talk-box techniques, when used well. I just never wanna be that dude!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/09/15 04:12 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Don't get me wrong- I like talk-box techniques, when used well. I just never wanna be that dude!


____ { grin

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Caevan, I love the idea of the Talk-Box sound, but never wanted to invest in one. My workaround for the Talk-Box sound involves a small synth with a Vocoder; sing into the Vocoder mic, and trigger synth tones with my guitar, via MIDI. I can also run the guitar audio signal through a second Audio In jack, so my voice modulates the guitar sound.


The DigiTech GNX4 has a similar mic-based 'talk-box'/'vocoder' type effect, but for whatever reasons, I just didn't cotton to it that much.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/13/15 06:32 AM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Digitech's Obscura, anyone?



Cool. I like the pseudo reverse/gated-delay effects. And I REALLY like the "warp" ramp-up/down in pitch and speed when tap-tempo changes are toe-tapped. I wouldn't mind if that were a switchable option on my El Capistan. Speaking of which, it doesn't make me want to replace my beloved El Cap, but if I had moneys to burn, I might buy one to go with it. Speaking of which, what is the going rate for one, or is it even available for sale anywhere yet? I mean, it's been what, since last January or before that it's been publicised?


Aaaand it is now on sale:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifier...r-effects-pedal
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/13/15 07:00 AM
And now, for something...well...not COMPLETELY different, but unusual: an overdrive pedal with a rude name

http://www.smallsoundbigsound.com/products/f***-overdrive/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_sycKnCzOg&sns=em
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/13/15 07:09 AM
And the Mr Black Supermoon original:
http://www.mrblackpedals.com/collections/pedals/products/supermoon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB6ii8z1pHk&sns=em

And the Chrome version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sjiBa25rmY&sns=em
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 06/13/15 07:13 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
And now, for something...well...not COMPLETELY different, but unusual: an overdrive pedal with a rude name

http://www.smallsoundbigsound.com/products/f***-overdrive/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_sycKnCzOg&sns=em


At least it aspires to be a truly original Crapulator, not just another TS clone. You'll either love or hate that signal breakup, excuse me, 'crackle', and it'll take some nerve to show up with that pedal for a P&W band . . .
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/13/15 08:01 PM
You have successfully posted what I was thinking when I found that pedal!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 06/14/15 12:14 PM
I love Crapulators & Randomizers, as I call them, Ring Mods, Bit Crushers, Lo-Fi boxes, what-have-you; anything that chews up your signal and craps it back out, bent, broken and bad-smelling. Any Tube Screamer or Phase 90 is going to sound pretty much like any other Tube Screamer or Phase 90, so if you want stock sounds, they're easy to find, but as the line from Tuxedomoon goes, "Give me new noise!"
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/14/15 01:00 PM
Amen!
cheers
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 07/10/15 01:25 AM
Roland dropped this at summer NAMM today:

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 07/11/15 07:28 PM
EHX has some new pedals at summer NAMM, too. here's one of them:



don't blame me for the tilt. they posted it that way.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 07/20/15 05:36 AM
The Plutoneium Chi-Wah-Wah is back!

http://plutoneium.com
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 08/24/15 01:23 PM
^ Looks awesome, but I wear size 13 shoes, so probably not for me.

moving on...gotta give it up to the homemade-effects crowd:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 08/24/15 01:53 PM
That is as clever as Puss in Boots taking smart drugs!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 08/26/15 10:36 AM
Love the idea, but I think it's something you could set up with a splitter and an A/B box? Have to try that later today . . .
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 08/26/15 11:43 AM
There are probably several ways tot do it. A Kaoss Pad might let you do something similar.

The trick is the SPEED with which he can do that. Fingers are much faster than feet.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 08/26/15 11:44 AM
I think his idea of using his feet/toes would be a good way to go, even though it might require redesigning and using a tapping board like those found on an electric drum kit. It would take practice and probably wouldn't be easy to keep up with what he is doing with his fingers. But, it would free up his right hand to get back on the guitar where it belongs...He could do some tapping, chording, picking, finger picking, etc., and make up some new melody lines as the current concept (although cool) starts sounding too repetitive to me.... cool
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 08/26/15 12:58 PM
Maybe with a momentary switch, so that you could flutter your foot up and down.

Or, something similar that could be mounted on the guitar...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 08/26/15 09:25 PM
Does Roland sell their D-Beams as stand-alone items?
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 08/28/15 12:10 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Does Roland sell their D-Beams as stand-alone items?


The D-Beam started out as a stand-alone item, then Roland bought out the company that developed the D-beam, and incorporated it into their Synths and Grooveboxes. Used Roland keyboard Synths with an onboard D-Beam show up for more reasonable prices than you're likely to find an original D-Beam on Ebay. FWIW, even an original would be very awkward to mount onto a guitar.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 09/02/15 08:14 PM
It is just a fuzz...but what a fuzz!

JHS Pedals Muffuletta Fuzz Pedal
http://www.jhspedals.com/products/guitar-pedals/muffuletta/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK1BLH-KkT0&sns=em
Posted By: SEHpicker Re: cool new effects - 09/03/15 12:02 PM
discalimer: I have not gone through every post on this thread so I don't know if this has already been posted - kinda cool though - a whole new level of percussion style guitar playing.

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 09/03/15 12:34 PM
Ain't for me, but nifty nonetheless!
Posted By: SEHpicker Re: cool new effects - 09/03/15 02:11 PM
Yeah Danny - I don't do percussive style either - but for those that do this could be a game changer... or not...
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 09/03/15 03:38 PM
The Wireless Midi Controller is not for me and I'm sure drummers won't like the idea LOL! But it is cool! I like Tommy Emmanuel's acoustically bang'en the box with his hands style over the electric drum machine sounds... cool
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 09/03/15 07:02 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz


That is pretty cool, if you're into various iterations of transistor-based Muffs. My VFE Fiery Red Horse Saturated Fuzz (V1) is a very versatile Muff-based pedal, as well; I bet that you'd really like it.

I really liked the V4 or V5 IC/Op-Amp-based EH Big Muff Pi that I had long ago; I'd love to have another such pedal...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 09/04/15 01:52 PM
This is NOT an effect, but I didn't want to start a new thread, so here we go:

Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 09/05/15 01:08 AM
"The Kemper Profiling Amp is so easy, even a Bass player can to it" LOL! cool
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 09/05/15 11:16 AM
I've read a number of reviews of that modeling amp, and they pretty much break down to "WOW!" If you could only spend a weekend in Rev. Billy Gibbons' Amp Shack with that thing . . .
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 09/05/15 02:40 PM
Well...even WITHOUT it, to be honest. Right?
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 09/05/15 09:15 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Well...even WITHOUT it, to be honest. Right?


True, I'd gladly spend a weekend in there, even without the Kemper, but still, the idea of bringing all those classic tones home with you, in one box . . .

Sorry, did I drool on the floor there?
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 09/06/15 11:22 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Well...even WITHOUT it, to be honest. Right?


True, I'd gladly spend a weekend in there, even without the Kemper, but still, the idea of bringing all those classic tones home with you, in one box . . .

Sorry, did I drool on the floor there?


Much agreed. cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 09/07/15 08:19 PM
This, on the other hand, looks like an amp but is really an effect: http://www.analogoutfitters.com/pedals

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Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 09/08/15 06:33 PM
I want this:

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Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
This, on the other hand, looks like an amp but is really an effect: http://www.analogoutfitters.com/pedals



grin


Sweet. cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 09/10/15 11:04 AM
Check out the 2nd module in this rack synth - it's like a D-Beam crossed with a looper!



This could be used to control any guitar effect with a control voltage input. smile
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/06/15 06:31 PM
Get low!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajxbXsBtuDE&sns=em
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 10/06/15 07:11 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz


Cool. Sounds great, looks to be an excellent pedal. It'd be great to also hear demonstrations of it fed into overdriven and distorted tube-amps, and/or other overdrive and distortion pedals. (I'm big on doing that with octave-fuzz pedals.)

You'd very likely really love the Foxrox Octron (have one, love LOVE love it) or Octron 2, and the Mu-FX Octave-Divider, the reborn, improved Musitronics Mu-tron Octave Divider (want one).

"Hey hey, my my... !" rawk

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/06/15 07:59 PM
Yeah, I bet I would!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 10/06/15 08:05 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
This could be used to control any guitar effect with a control voltage input. smile


Loved the synth module! For another approach to CV controllers, I think this is still available for the blow-out price? Hot Hand Wah with ring controller.

The Hot Hand Wah also has a CV Out, which sends the signal from the Hot Hand ring controllers, (wired, or wireless) to the CV/EXP In on another effects unit or synth. Yes, the pedal has a pretty large footprint, but for the price, it's worth exploring a new type of controller.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/08/15 01:52 AM
Jimi Hazel demoing the Keeley JH Echophase:

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 10/08/15 04:33 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Jimi Hazel demoing the Keeley JH Echophase:



I like that the phaser side of the pedal seems somewhat based on the classic Electro Harmonix Small Stone phaser; most are based on the MXR phasers (particularly the Phase 90). Both are great, but different. I wish I still had the magically perfect '79 Small Stone that I once had...


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equals the potential for a lot of funkalicious echo 'n' phase, albeit from two pedals... cool twothumbs

rawk
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/08/15 07:02 PM
There is something to be said for pedals that combine multiple functions, but also for those that are specialists...assuming we're just discussing quality pedals, of course.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 10/09/15 12:42 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
There is something to be said for pedals that combine multiple functions, but also for those that are specialists...assuming we're just discussing quality pedals, of course.


Mhn-Hmn, agreed.

My Strymon Flint is a cool example; three flavors of vintage amp-style tremolo, and three types of reverb; its most classic sounds seem to be those consisting of reverb > tremolo (the reverse order is available), which is the way it is on most vintage amps with on-board reverb and tremolo. This way, the reverb continues to be heard getting chopped-up by the tremolo in-between played notes and chords, and that's what is heard on countless classic records.

Now, in my previous post here, I should have posted or alluded to a pedal-order consisting of

phaser > echo > reverb

as this sounds the best, to me; the place in the sweep of the phase as sliced-up and repeated in each of the trailing echo-repeats rubbing up against that of the continuing phasered (non-echo) signal, and also that of the reverb's reverberations, all mixes together for a particularly heady, vibey texture. A little extra regeneration (more echoes trailing) and a fairly big, wet reverb further enhances this. Try it, you'll hear what I mean.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/26/15 03:27 PM
Some purveyors of peculiar pedals:

http://skychord.com/
http://www.industrialectric.com/
http://www.soniccrayonfx.com
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 10/26/15 05:20 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz


Some fun, cool, and quirky stuff there! grin twothumbs cool

Hmmmmmmm.... Spiral Light might find that Industrial Electric RM-1N reverb pedal to be interesting... cool


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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/26/15 05:50 PM
I like the momentary foot switch. That is why I bought my Ohnoho Chk Chk Boom.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 10/30/15 06:29 AM
Here ya go. I'm sure that some of you sonic perverts- and also some of the nicer ambient sound chasers amongst us- would really enjoy this:

Walrus Audio Janus Tremolo / Fuzz w/ dual joystick controls

(Currently, temporarily, promotional code Halloween15 can be used when ordering from Walrus Audio to net a 15% discount)


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Note the inclusion of a "Blend"-control, for blending between the clean/straight-signal and the fuzz... cool twothumbs

The joysticks look like they could, with care and practice, be manipulated by ones feet while playing...

I'd try running reverb through this fuzz and tremolo- that is, fuzzing, and tremolo-chopping, the reverb, but not the dry/non-reverbed "straight" signal from before the reverb, for fuzzed, stuttering sequencer-like hazy clouds of sound fading up and out after and behind my playing.

I'd also more conventionally feed it echoes rhythmically-timed (tap-tempo is a friend! to go along with- or rub up against- the tremolo, with or without the fuzz. Likewise reverb.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/30/15 12:07 PM
I have ben looking at the Janus for a while. But I wish they had used a pair of trackball-type controls instead of those joysticks. They'd be much easier to manipulate with a shod foot.

For visual reference,there would be a color spot in the center.





Yes, it would look like a pair of eyeballs in the pedal, but so what?
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 10/30/15 12:30 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I have ben looking at the Janus for a while. But I wish they had used a pair of trackball-type controls instead of those joysticks. They'd be much easier to manipulate with a shod foot.

For visual reference,there would be a color spot in the center.





Yes, it would look like a pair of eyeballs in the pedal, but so what?


Might not be a bad idea; might be do-able...

Have you brought this up with Walrus Audio?
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/30/15 01:23 PM
Actually, no I haven't. Perhaps I should.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 11/02/15 09:58 PM
another approach to infinite sustain: http://www.keithmcmillen.com/labs/strongarm/
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 11/03/15 09:51 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
another approach to infinite sustain: http://www.keithmcmillen.com/labs/strongarm/


Hey, that's cool! I like that!

And more than just sustain, this seems to impart blooming harmonic-overtones, much like feedback from loud amps and speaker-cabs does. And...

Originally Posted By: Keith McMillen Instruments / StrongArm Sustainer / YouTube video
"Tilt Detector enhances your choice of harmonics"


crazy grin laugh Haahh! Cool. Classic feedback-catching-technique poses rewarded at any volume, no matter how low! cool twothumbs I like that, too!


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Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 11/03/15 08:49 PM
That tilt detector looks awesome, and could lead to great new stage moves. I just hope KMI Labs actually bring it to market. The products that Keith McMillen has brought to market so far are great, and damn near indestructible.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 11/04/15 12:20 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
That tilt detector looks awesome, and could lead to great new stage moves.


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grin thu Sorry, just had to razz ya... wink wave
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 11/04/15 05:27 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
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grin thu Sorry, just had to razz ya... wink wave


I think Jimmy's doing that to rest the axe on his hip & take some weight off off his shoulder, though looking cool no doubt had something to do with it.
I've read that he retired the 3 pickup Black Beauty because it was just too damn heavy.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 11/04/15 05:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
I think Jimmy's doing that to rest the axe on his hip & take some weight off off his shoulder, though looking cool no doubt had something to do with it.
I've read that he retired the 3 pickup Black Beauty because it was just too damn heavy.


You might be right about this particular guitar and pose; though holding a guitar up to find and catch a feedback 'sweet-spot' contributed to the lexicon of iconic Rock imagery long ago. I believe that's what inspired the idea for the Tilt Detector circuitry and effect here in this product; great, useful function, and it makes the whole "feedback" experience more familiar and intuitive for players used to "the real thing"- that is, acoustically-induced electric-guitar feedback born of gainy, loud amps and speakers.

As for that "black beauty" Les Paul, wasn't that the one that was stolen from Page back in the late '60s or so? Possibly pre-Zeppelin?
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 11/04/15 06:17 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
As for that "black beauty" Les Paul, wasn't that the one that was stolen from Page back in the late '60s or so? Possibly pre-Zeppelin?


The Gibson site says it was stolen in September 71, having been played on Zeppelin tours in 70 & 71. So perhaps Jimmy's memory of why he stopped playing it is a bit clouded, but it no doubt was a heavy hunk of wood.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 11/04/15 07:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
As for that "black beauty" Les Paul, wasn't that the one that was stolen from Page back in the late '60s or so? Possibly pre-Zeppelin?


The Gibson site says it was stolen in September 71, having been played on Zeppelin tours in 70 & 71. So perhaps Jimmy's memory of why he stopped playing it is a bit clouded, but it no doubt was a heavy hunk of wood.


I'm guessing, then, that he'd stopped using it on stage, but perhaps used it (or would have) in the studio...


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Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 11/04/15 08:17 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I'm guessing, then, that he'd stopped using it on stage, but perhaps used it (or would have) in the studio...
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I bet whoever has it now has no idea what it's provenance is.
But apparently Page's guitar collection is around 1500, so I'm guessing he replaced the stolen one with something just as nice.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 11/05/15 10:04 PM
He must've gone on one massive binge after Zep broke up, then. There was a piece with Jimmy's guitar tech in a magazine called International Musician & Recording World back around the time when Zep were getting ready to make In through The Out Door, and the author was stunned to find that Jimmy's entire collection numbered 16 guitars and a handful of small amps, a Vox AC-30 being the heavyweight among them.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 11/06/15 05:01 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
There was a piece with Jimmy's guitar tech in a magazine called International Musician & Recording World


@hurrican hugo - sorry to truncate your post, but I was excited to see that someone else remembered International Musician & Recording World! Did they go under, or stop distributing to the U.S.? I haven't seen a new copy in years . . .
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 11/07/15 04:57 PM
I remember talk back in the mid-80s(?) about IM&RW merging with some other publication, but I don't know if that actually happened,or if they just went under. frown

Loved that mag, though. Their detailed walk-through of Pink Floyd's setup for live performances of The Wall was perfect.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 11/13/15 01:23 AM
something for all y'all tablet people:



it's almost a year old now, but it's new to me, so razz
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/01/15 01:13 PM
No new pedals here, but here's a very interesting piece by guitarist Henry Kaiser on his philosophy on using effects:

http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Henry_Kaisers_5_Essential_Effects
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/01/15 02:42 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
No new pedals here, but here's a very interesting piece by guitarist Henry Kaiser on his philosophy on using effects:

http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Henry_Kaisers_5_Essential_Effects


Cool, interesting article, as is the Nels Cline’s 5 Essential Effects article linked-to therein. cool

Originally Posted By: Henry Kaiser, on premierguitar.com
4. Reverse Delay

I’ve always loved backwards guitar solos, such as Jimi’s "Are You Experienced" solo. As soon as I got an Eventide H-3000 harmonizer, back in the ’80s, I realized that its reverse shift algorithm would let me create this effect in live performances. Such digital effects take samples of your playing and then play them back in reverse, cut up into whatever quanta you set the delay for. Five to seven seconds seems to be optimal for backwards soloing for me. I spent a few years practicing playing delayed, both backwards and forwards, over songs and recordings of chord changes, until I could play in the now, what I wanted to happen five or seven seconds in the future. This does wonders for your time sense, more than any practicing with a metronome could ever accomplish. One catch was that when you kicked the effect in, the harmonizer had to be listening to what you had been playing, so I used the effects loop of a TC 2290 that bypassed the harmonizer’s return, but not the send to it. Then when I wanted to sound backwards, I could kick the effect in instantly.

Eventide brought out the Eclipse harmonizer in 2002, and I used that model for this effect for many years. If I don’t want to bring that rack unit, I can use a TC Flashback pedal, with an Electro-Harmonix Killswitch, muting the return and not the send, to and from the TC. Most recently I picked up the Red Panda Particle, which has a great reverse shift, along with some unique stuttering abilities, based upon input level. It’s a great entry pedal to start messing around with reverse delay. Oddly, most high-end pedals that do reverse delay did not really implement this properly—they mute the send, instead of the return, leaving a guitarist with dead air when the solo is supposed to start. My pal Nels and other friends enjoy some lower-fi pedals for the unique/warm tones that they can create with them. I, on the other hand, have always preferred the most hi-fi pedals and rack units that I can find. For me, this backwards effect works best in maximum fidelity, and all of the pedals listed in this section are super hi-fi in practice.


Y' know what else helps immensely for crafting simulated "backwards" effects live in real-time, either with or without "reverse" delay and/or reverb? Volume-swell techniques, whether by manipulating the volume-knob on a guitar, deploying a volume-pedal, or using an envelope-controlled "slow volume" pedal or a noise-gate type processor. Swelling into notes and abruptly cutting them off when desired, either by hand or a volume-control, can really create very nice "backwards" sounds. When cutting off a note by hand, making some sort of percussive scritch or harmonic squeal or other such noise can also really enhance this effect very well. If you've got a whammy-bar, put that to good use here, too- particularly for bending up into "ghost-bends", etc..

Of course, reversed looper tracks are pretty awesome, too- downright addicting even! crazy
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 12/02/15 10:58 AM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite

Y' know what else helps immensely for crafting simulated "backwards" effects live in real-time, either with or without "reverse" delay and/or reverb? Volume-swell techniques, whether by manipulating the volume-knob on a guitar, deploying a volume-pedal, or using an envelope-controlled "slow volume" pedal or a noise-gate type processor. Swelling into notes and abruptly cutting them off when desired, either by hand or a volume-control, can really create very nice "backwards" sounds. When cutting off a note by hand, making some sort of percussive scritch or harmonic squeal or other such noise can also really enhance this effect very well. If you've got a whammy-bar, put that to good use here, too- particularly for bending up into "ghost-bends", etc..

Of course, reversed looper tracks are pretty awesome, too- downright addicting even! crazy


I love running an Attack Delay into a 100% wet Reverse Delay. You get no attack, and thus the backwards track has no sudden cut-off, either.

Much love for backwards looping! Sometimes, I'll capture a loop, reverse it, process that, then store the new, processed loop as well. Yeah, you need multiple loopers to pull that off . . .
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/02/15 01:33 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
I love running an Attack Delay into a 100% wet Reverse Delay. You get no attack, and thus the backwards track has no sudden cut-off, either.

Much love for backwards looping! Sometimes, I'll capture a loop, reverse it, process that, then store the new, processed loop as well. Yeah, you need multiple loopers to pull that off . . .


I like love LOVE love layering 'overdubs' on my Boss looper, and reversing to record some of them, so that those parts are "backwards" when the whole shebang is played forwards again. Sounds INCREDIBLE when "normal" reverb and/or echo is used during the process, as they too become reversed, sounding like the classic "backwards" effects heard on so many great albums over the years...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/14/15 08:59 PM
a different kind of looper:

Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 12/15/15 11:37 AM
Looper with a condenser mic input! Cool, reminds me of my old Casio SK-1.

Not exactly a new effect, but I recently picked up a Roland GR-S Space pedal. It has nothing to do with the Eventide Space pedal: it's an odd sort of Chorus/Mod pedal, built out from the V-Guitar series. Despite the four-button layout, it is NOT a digital re-creation of the classic Roland Dimension effect, so don't get your hopes up.

It's meant to work with a GK-3 pickup, but you can get some of the effect with a standard 1/4-inch guitar jack. Originally somewhere around $300, I got it as a blow-out pedal for $70. I guess not many people were interested in a $300 Chorus pedal that needed a $200 GK pickup, or an $800 Roland-ready Strat to go with it?



No Rate & Depth knobs, like you might expect, just Color (think of it as a 'More' dial) and Tone. Number 1, Crystal, sounds almost like a tuned Flanger effect. Number 2 sounds most like conventional Chorus. Number 3, Slow Pad, has the Chorus effect 'swell', but if you turn the Color knob clockwise, you hear the Guitar input, which masks some of the Swell effect. Number 4 is called Brilliant Clean!?!?!? It sounds more like the tuned Resonator effect in the old Lexicon Reflex. More Shrill than Brilliant to my aging ears, but maybe I need to experiment with it some more.

These things only came out within the last two years, and they're already on blow-out, wherever you find them. If you have a guitar with a 13-pin pickup, you might want to try this. Even if you don't have a 13-pin pickup system, if you see one in your FLMS, give it a try. It's different enough to be worth checking out.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/17/15 06:10 PM
^ sounds pretty dang cool; wonder how it would sound driven by the Fishman Rare Earth in my steel-string acoustic.

moving on...Electro Harmonix has a new overdrive. Sounds good, as overdrive pedals go:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/22/15 05:54 AM
Le woof! Le rrrRRROWlllllll! Le pant-pant!

http://www.godlyke.com/totally-wycked-au...monic-energizer
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/22/15 08:03 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Le woof! Le rrrRRROWlllllll! Le pant-pant!



Wow, what great sounding, touchy-feely, extremely versatile and cool pedal! I can understand how and why Joe Walsh, Greg Lake, and Frank Zappa were so enamored of the pedal that it's based on and improved upon... cool

I expect that it would be GREAT to use in conjunction with some other pedals, so long as they'd play well with it in front of them (such as the way some vintage type pedals don't work well with another pedal between them and the guitar).

I bet it'd work very well along with, say, my Octron octave-fuzz (either before or after), both followed by my El Capistan tape-flavored echo, what with the dynamic, textural, and colorful responsiveness of each interacting together... Add a good tube-amp and it' be hard to put the guitar down... grin
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/23/15 03:56 AM
Oh, man, that lil' box has Zappa's late-'70s guitar sound all over it. I'd love one, especially if there was a programmable version.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/23/15 12:40 PM
Well, if you're a pro, you can always stimulate the economy by hiring a guy to change your pedals to your desired settings. A..."knob jockey", perhaps?
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/23/15 01:01 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Oh, man, that lil' box has Zappa's late-'70s guitar sound all over it. I'd love one, especially if there was a programmable version.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Well, if you're a pro, you can always stimulate the economy by hiring a guy to change your pedals to your desired settings. A..."knob jockey", perhaps?


Many of my favorite pedals are very versatile, having quite a few different, great sounds in them- which brings me to the question, 'just which pedal do I want this to be... ?!?' crazy grin thu Everyone the world over should have such problems, eh? smile twothumbs

If I were ever a frequently gigging, touring pro, I'd have some kind of programmable gizmo with motor-controlled flex-shaft drives to turn knobs on a bunch of pedals, AND probably one of the better digital-modeler/multi-effects units. With any luck, and a lot of hard work, I just may wind up with such dilemmas to work out...

grin thu rawk
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/24/15 12:36 PM
oh, I think I could suffer through life with a non-programmable version.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/24/15 01:22 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
oh, I think I could suffer through life with a non-programmable version.


Indubitably, indubitably! grin I was just cogitatin' on wants 'n' needs if one was gigging frequently with lots of changes throughout set-lists and all that...
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 12/24/15 02:04 PM
I almost bought 3 Tech 21 Blondes...one for my basic sound, one for clean boost and one for distortion as I really liked that pedal. This would have been a very expensive way to go. Luckily I found the Fender Floor multi effects filled my needs and offered a lot of pre-sets if I really needed it for a set list. For the most part, I just go straight in and a clean boost is really all I need these days if I have the right amp...

Speaking of which, I have left my Hot Rod DeVille in the closet for a few years now. I've been using lightweight solid state stuff. Since I just moved and was stacking stuff in my new music room to be, and the amp was just sitting there, I thought oh what the heck, and I fired that puppy up. Golllllollllyyy was I brought back to the tube world sans any pedals! cool
Posted By: SEHpicker Re: cool new effects - 12/25/15 11:58 AM
Originally Posted By: Larryz
Speaking of which, I have left my Hot Rod DeVille in the closet for a few years now. I've been using lightweight solid state stuff. Since I just moved and was stacking stuff in my new music room to be, and the amp was just sitting there, I thought oh what the heck, and I fired that puppy up. Golllllollllyyy was I brought back to the tube world sans any pedals! cool

Larry - I have a HRD 4x10 for my backup amp. It is a dependable workhorse and you can get amazing tone from it. I love that amp.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 12/25/15 04:00 PM
+1 on the HRD 410 SEH, that's the same model I have...they are great amps! Mine is an older model made in the USA. It takes a licken and keeps on ticken! twothumbs
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/27/15 08:29 PM
I once had a Hot Rod DeVille, but mine was 2x12; personally, I much preferred the 2x12's to the 4x10's.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 12/28/15 12:06 AM
I haven't played a Hot Rod DeVille with 2 12's, but I have played my old Twin Reverb with 2 12's and it sounded great. I have no doubt that the HRD 212 sounds great too. Two of my buddies have Hot Rod Deluxe's with 1 12 and they sound very nice. I like the DeVille with the 4 10's but the Hot Rod Deluxe is the lightest of the crew weight-wise, which attracts me more these days. I just can't get either of them to sell or trade theirs LOL! cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/29/15 05:28 PM
might wanna check some of these out. Not effects pedals, but definitely affecting your playing: http://www.guitarplayer.com/gear/1012/the-10-coolest-guitar-gear-innovations-of-2015/55619

this one's my fave:

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/29/15 06:03 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
might wanna check some of these out. Not effects pedals, but definitely affecting your playing: http://www.guitarplayer.com/gear/1012/the-10-coolest-guitar-gear-innovations-of-2015/55619

this one's my fave:



That's cool. I particularly like the Triller and the Wond:

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Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 12/29/15 07:11 PM
I think the Hammer Jammer is very cool! cool
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 12/30/15 02:16 PM
Effect wise I can say that I have not seen anything released after 2013 that I would actually want to spend money for.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/05/16 05:24 PM
Electro Harmonix is back with a couple of Leslie simulators:


Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/15/16 08:20 PM
Strymon's teasing something new...that's NOT an effects pedal:

https://twitter.com/strymon/status/688078678199173120
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/15/16 11:58 PM
Cool; I look forward to finding out whatever it is. I like Strymon.


Speaking of not-a-pedal but a cool effect, for sure:

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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/16/16 12:30 AM
Earthquaker Devices is in yer hedz, buildin' yer dream-toanz:

http://earthquakerdevices.com/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/62578/New-for-NAMM-2016
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/20/16 01:42 PM
Also from NAMM...Eventide is rolling out a pedal called SpaceTime:

https://twitter.com/EventideAudio/status/689831110793031680
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/20/16 02:43 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Earthquaker Devices is in yer hedz, buildin' yer dream-toanz:

http://earthquakerdevices.com/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/62578/New-for-NAMM-2016


The Night Wire Dynamic Harmonic Tremolo and the Spatial Delivery Envelope Filter with Sample & Hold both look quite interesting... cool

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Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Also from NAMM...Eventide is rolling out a pedal called SpaceTime:

https://twitter.com/EventideAudio/status/689831110793031680


...as does the Eventide SpaceTime... cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/20/16 04:59 PM
Boss rolled out a Vocoder pedal: http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2016/01/20/boss-intros-vo-1-vocoder-pedal/
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/20/16 06:18 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo


Cool. The more tools, the freer and more empowered the creative imagination...

That could be cool if used for other styles, such as, say, more aggressive slightly proggy metal, if you will... 'Zan? Griff? Lokair? BiC? (Who'd I leave out?) Whatcha think?


My now-old DigiTech GNX4 does some similar things if a mic is connected to it's XLR mic input. DigiTech also had a similar enough pedal or two on the market.

"Live" (not necessarily performing onstage), I've found mic-interface "vocoder" devices for guitar to be less satisfying if the overall volume levels weren't a fair bit louder than my un-assisted voice; otherwise, it can be weird and distracting to hear your own voice competing with the effected guitar sound. If recording or just playing, full-sized closed-back headphones can help in such a scenario.

Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Electro Harmonix is back with a couple of Leslie simulators:



That Lester G sounds pretty good in the video; particularly its growly, gurgly overdrive.

It's got some stiff competition in the not-so-new Boss RT-20, though, which can be had brand-new for a little less...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/21/16 03:37 PM
Holy crap, Strymon's previewing a beast: http://www.strymon.net/products/generalissimo/

...it seems to be aimed at the modular-synth crowd, but I can see mad applications for us guitarists.
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 01/21/16 03:50 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Holy crap, Strymon's previewing a beast: http://www.strymon.net/products/generalissimo/
...it seems to be aimed at the modular-synth crowd, but I can see mad applications for us guitarists.


I see no mention of maximum delay time in their specs. I think that's a rather crucially important parameter.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/21/16 06:32 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Holy crap, Strymon's previewing a beast: http://www.strymon.net/products/generalissimo/
...it seems to be aimed at the modular-synth crowd, but I can see mad applications for us guitarists.


I see no mention of maximum delay time in their specs. I think that's a rather crucially important parameter.


I would imagine that it's got to be at least on a par with some of their El Capistan's Modes and functions (note that these reflect the typical times of the mechanical/magnetic tape-echo machines that they're digitally emulating):

El Capistan

Fixed Head A: 50ms - 250ms
Fixed Head B: 150ms - 750ms
Fixed Head C: 300ms - 1.5s


Multi Head A: 240ms - 1.2s (heads 1 & 2 selected)
Multi Head B: 240ms - 1.2s (heads 2 & 3 selected)
Multi Head C: 240ms - 1.2s (heads 1 & 3 selected)

Single Head A: 25ms - 770ms
Single Head B: 50ms - 1.5s
Single Head C (Sound On Sound): TIME knob left of 12 o’clock (double speed): max delay time
Single Head C (Sound On Sound): 10s
Single Head C (Sound On Sound): TIME knob right of 12 o’clock (normal speed): max delay time
Single Head C (Sound On Sound): 20s
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/21/16 07:52 PM
yep, probably a good guide to go with what they already do with other pieces of gear.

also, it could be that max delay time may not be finalized yet. unit ain't hitting 'til summer. still, I'd bet that Caev's on the right track.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/26/16 02:42 PM
Guitar Player magazine's e-newsletter heralds 12 New Must-Have Effects Pedals for 2016 in a three 'page article. (There's some sketchy writing here and there, begging the question, do the Editors nee editors... ? C'mon, guys... rolleyes )

There are some RRREEEAALLLY COOL stomps here! cool At least a couple that I do in fact think are "must-haves" that I will have to get for myself! See if you can which two or three would be the ones that I'd want; and tell us what ones catch your interest... twothumbs

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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/26/16 02:49 PM
I saw that- some nifty stuff.

Still, one of the things I found most interesting was the lighting system on the Casper. LEDs under the knobs that reflect down onto the pedals to light their settings and not much else. Could be a good idea for the gigging musician.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/26/16 02:54 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I saw that- some nifty stuff.

Still, one of the things I found most interesting was the lighting system on the Casper. LEDs under the knobs that reflect down onto the pedals to light their settings and not much else. Could be a good idea for the gigging musician.


Aw, c'mon, yer not gonna play my guessing and picking-favorites game? wink grin

The Casper's ghost-lights were kinda cool, though I wasn't sure where the light was coming from- I wondered if the case had a translucent panel with the LED's inside and underneath... ? You're probably right, though.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/26/16 03:10 PM
Well...wasn't it you who mentioned the EQD Bows as one you liked a few pages ago?

Besides that...the Keeley looked like a great deal, and I thought that Aspen Pittman device was pretty cool, too.

So I'll go with those 3 as the ones that caught your eye.

I liked the Keeley and Aspen Pittman myself, TBH. smile
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/26/16 04:23 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Well...wasn't it you who mentioned the EQD Bows as one you liked a few pages ago?

Besides that...the Keeley looked like a great deal, and I thought that Aspen Pittman device was pretty cool, too.

So I'll go with those 3 as the ones that caught your eye.

I liked the Keeley and Aspen Pittman myself, TBH. smile


All three of those do look to be pretty interesting! And various combinations of them, two or even all three at a time, particularly with the EQD Bows first in line, might prove to be pretty damn cool, indeed.


Frankly, I thought the Casper's demo-videos were rather ho-hum. To be fair, though, it might be a lot more betterer li- ehr, ghostly and in person, with a few control-tweaks.


However, it was the Alexander Pedals La Calavera Phaser that really gave me a sonic SHO ( wink ), and the Boss Waza Craft VB-2W also appeals to me; I am sure that I'd greatly enjoy both pedals and expect that I'll buy each of them, especially and starting with the La Calavera Phaser.


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Hungry Robot's The Wash ambient delay/reverb/wash pedal sure catches my interest, as well, but they didn't have any video or audio... I'd sure like to give one a test-drive!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/27/16 12:59 AM
Strymon puts their Eurorack Generalissimo through its paces:

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2016/01/25/strymon-generalissimo-euro-tape-echo-hands-on-demo/
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/27/16 01:55 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo


Kev likes! cool

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Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/28/16 08:27 PM
there's a website called PedalsAndEffects.com

they have a Youtube channel.

on their channel, you can watch NIN keyboardist demonstrate a Retro Mechanical labs' Electron Fuzz.



here's a cute pic. lookit its widdle face!

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/04/16 06:00 PM
This looks cool- the new DigiTech Trio +, effectively an upgraded, expanded, improved Trio "Band Creator" auto bass & drums combined with a Jamman Looper, in one pedal. Looks like a lot of fun, though I can't help but wonder if the available loop times would be enough for some things.

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Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 02/04/16 07:10 PM
Yeah, I came up with the idea of combining the Trio with my looper as I already have the looper. The Trio+ is a very cool pedal but from the demos I have watched, it would be one that would require a lot of bending over to work the knobs and switching, etc. I would mount it on a music stand and work it while sitting or standing. I could still write and save on the Trio+ and then offload it to my Digitech looper that will hold 99 complete songs...

I'm thinking of creating my jam tracks, etc., to include bass, drums, and a ton of real instruments on my computer using Band In A Box 2016 software. Then off load it to patches on my looper. And bypass the Trio+. The Trio+ is a definite improvement over the 1st Trio. cool
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/04/16 10:58 PM
Originally Posted By: Larryz
The Trio+ is a very cool pedal but from the demos I have watched, it would be one that would require a lot of bending over to work the knobs and switching, etc. I would mount it on a music stand and work it while sitting or standing.


Connecting DigiTech's FS36 footswitch would reduce and simplify a lot of that, though certainly not all of it...


Hehhehhehh... this one's nice... thu cool

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Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 02/05/16 12:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKwqg0U7ZLU <---long demo, but worth it! Yeah, I have the switch which works very well with the looper and you can use the same one with the Digitec Trio. It's great for starting/stopping and moving to the next patch or cruzing through the some of the Trio settings. But the Trio+ does so many things, it will leave the switch in the dust LOL! It may save a little bending over but the + is going to be so much fun you won't be able to keep your hands off of it...the Trio+, the Trio and the Digitech looper are all great practice and writing tools. And now you can save on not having to buy the looper cool

ps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfEPhrdf0D8 <---shorter demo.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/24/16 06:16 AM
Just brought to my attention:



Also, this:
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/24/16 11:07 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Just brought to my attention:



Also, this:


Interesting. For me, particularly the DBA Interstellar Overdriver Deluxe- seems like a lot of sounds in that box. Though I think there are other, simpler, less expensive pedals that would gain me many of the sounds that I like in the DBA IOD...

I'll tell you what, feeding echo into tremolo, or into reverb and tremolo, will give you some cool, pulsing sounds not unlike some of what that Twin Stags dual tremolo pedal has to offer. I do that with my El Capistan and Flint, often timing the echoes to sub-divide the rate of the tremolo. That's one of my favorite sounds!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/24/16 01:01 PM
The Twin Stags struck me as one of those that does a LOT of things that can be done with 2 good discrete pedals* (which is why I probably won't buy one- those bases are covered).

BUT it is all in one housing, so it is more efficient on a daily usage basis (3 fewer cables to deal with), and there's some additional tricks up its sleeve. So it could be great for a board running short on space.

Much the same could probably be said of the DBA IODD, but I think DOD fuzzes sound a bit different from many, more mainstream fuzz pedals, so it's more likely I'll purchase one.








* and to be clear, I have several "double" or "triple" pedals: Visual Sounds H20 and Jekyll & Hyde; the Black Arts Toneworks Sarcophagus; a Red Witch Titan delay; EHX's Epitome and so forth.
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 02/24/16 01:29 PM
The Boss DD-500 looks tempting. I would like a delay that will not murder the tone of a pedal steel with patch memory so I can save delay settings for particular songs.

The DD-500 just became a candidate. There is also a Line 6 thingy and the Korg SDD-3000 is on closeout. I don't really want to spend the extra cash for an Eventide but that may be a better unit.

PS - DL-4 seems to have only 3 presets plus it is modeled and I think Line 6 modeling amps suck. So their modeling delay sort of scares me. The Boss DD-500 looks pretty good on paper but I have not heard one.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/24/16 02:23 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
The Twin Stags struck me as one of those that does a LOT of things that can be done with 2 good discrete pedals* (which is why I probably won't buy one- those bases are covered).

BUT it is all in one housing, so it is more efficient on a daily usage basis (3 fewer cables to deal with), and there's some additional tricks up its sleeve. So it could be great for a board running short on space.

Much the same could probably be said of the DBA IODD, but I think DOD fuzzes sound a bit different from many, more mainstream fuzz pedals, so it's more likely I'll purchase one.








* and to be clear, I have several "double" or "triple" pedals: Visual Sounds H20 and Jekyll & Hyde; the Black Arts Toneworks Sarcophagus; a Red Witch Titan delay; EHX's Epitome and so forth.


twothumbs twothumbs cool cool
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 02/24/16 03:07 PM
I played a version 1 Visual Sound Route 66 double pedal for quite sometime. I liked it. Eventually 225-235 pound man wearing cowboy boots took its toll. Cracked circuit board and other component failures the poor pedal just wasn't dependable. The cases on the newer VS pedals are supposed to be stronger. I ended up replacing the pedal with Sparkle Drive Mod and a Wampler Ego.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/24/16 03:09 PM
I'm 265 myself, and wear cowboy boots, too- albeit not usually when playing guitar- and my VS pedals (both V2 models) still look nice & work just fine.

Yours may have been defective. I may have a lighter "touch". The V1 s might not have been as well made as V2 or the new TrueTone V3s.

And, of course, it is entirely possible that you've used yours more than I have mine. smile
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 02/24/16 03:46 PM
There is video demo somewhere that kind of addresses this. grin

I will see if I can find it.

PS Here it is!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/24/16 04:52 PM
Originally Posted By: CEB
There is video demo somewhere that kind of addresses this. grin


Well, case solved!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 02/24/16 05:55 PM
Originally Posted By: CEB
PS - DL-4 seems to have only 3 presets plus it is modeled and I think Line 6 modeling amps suck. So their modeling delay sort of scares me. The Boss DD-500 looks pretty good on paper but I have not heard one.


CEB, the DL4 sounds just fine. I have one of the original U.S.-made ones, and I've used it for years. The REAL issue with the DL4 is that there's no "Manual" mode, as such.

Every time you turn it on and press a switch, it will default to one of your 3 presets; the settings on the dials don't matter, in relation to what you're hearing, it's all about whatever settings you stored with that preset. You can reach down, and change all the settings, but unless you then store that sound, erasing whatever you may have already stored in that slot, as soon as you step on a different switch, for a different preset, the sound you just dialed up will be gone, and when you step back on that switch, you'll be back to the original preset. Same thing if you turn off the DL4. Next time you turn it on, and step on Footswitch #1 (or 2, or 3), the original preset will be there waiting for you. FWIW, all of the big Line 6 Modelers worked that way, but you could store 4 sounds in the others.
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 02/24/16 06:44 PM
Thanks. I already have one delay for making big lush sounds. The thing I want 2nd delay with patch memory for is to setup dotted 1/8 single repeats in specific tempos.

For a tele it is no big deal just use tap tempo. But on steel right foot rides volume pedal and left foot is on the changer pedals. I don't even set my effects on the floor they are on a small table to my right. There are not many. Just a RV-5 and and DE-7 delay and soon a 2nd delay. I have an old Jordan Boss Tone clone that plugs directly into the guitar output jack.

I just need to setup maybe a dozen preset tempos so I can get 2 notes for the price of one and sound like I am really fast. LOL

Good to know the Line 6 AD/DA conversions do not wreck your tone.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 02/25/16 12:21 PM
Originally Posted By: CEB
I have an old Jordan Boss Tone clone that plugs directly into the guitar output jack.


I have the VooDoo Lab Boss Tone reissue! Love it! Way back in the mid-70's, I was in a band where that was the Rhythm Guitarist's only effect, plugged right into the guitar jack. It went well with my NYC Big Muff.
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 02/25/16 01:22 PM
It's orginal purpose as far as I know was to provide a 'string' effect for pedal steel. Chris Mahoney is the guy building the most accurate reissue. It plugs right into the output on the guitar.

http://mahoneyguitargear.com/product8.htm

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/26/16 01:27 AM
Z. Vex Candela Vibrophase Candle Powered 'Vibe pedal

That's right, candle powered.

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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/26/16 03:05 AM
I can't believe I forgot to post that here. facepalm
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/09/16 09:01 PM
Funky stuff ahead:



Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/09/16 11:40 PM
Caev, I think you're gonna love this one. It's a space hog, yes, but...just LOOK at it!

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/10/16 10:21 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Funky stuff ahead:






Cool. cool I've long had and greatly enjoyed a tiny, similarly purple Guyatone SV2 Slow Volume, which is a particularly good "attack-delay/swell" envelope-controlled volume device, and definitely an improvement on the venerable and rare/overpriced Boss SG-2 Slow Gear. I am likely to score a VFE Bumblebee in the near future, though, as I suspect it to be a strong improvement on the Guyatone SV2, in turn. I've also occasionally used the SV2 as a noise-gate.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Caev, I think you're gonna love this one. It's a space hog, yes, but...just LOOK at it!



I'd seen and heard that! Hilarious cosmetic flare and a good combination-pedal, for sure. I do already have several octave-fuzzes (and will surely wind up with more! crazy ) and a really nice late-model Fulltone Clyde Deluxe, fuzz-friendly and with a switchable, adjustable active buffer/boost on its output, though...
Posted By: skipclone 1 Re: cool new effects - 03/10/16 12:45 PM
This is not exactly new but, it`s so hard to track one down that it might as well be. I have asked several friends from Italy about it but,no luck so far. Maybe someday-anyway...:
http://www.orlandoamps.com/ebrilliance.html
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/10/16 03:33 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Funky stuff ahead:






Cool. cool I've long had and greatly enjoyed a tiny, similarly purple Guyatone SV2 Slow Volume, which is a particularly good "attack-delay/swell" envelope-controlled volume device, and definitely an improvement on the venerable and rare/overpriced Boss SG-2 Slow Gear. I am likely to score a VFE Bumblebee in the near future, though, as I suspect it to be a strong improvement on the Guyatone SV2, in turn. I've also occasionally used the SV2 as a noise-gate.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Caev, I think you're gonna love this one. It's a space hog, yes, but...just LOOK at it!



I'd seen and heard that! Hilarious cosmetic flare and a good combination-pedal, for sure. I do already have several octave-fuzzes (and will surely wind up with more! crazy ) and a really nice late-model Fulltone Clyde Deluxe, fuzz-friendly and with a switchable, adjustable active buffer/boost on its output, though...


As of right now, the only octave-fuzz I own is my Catalinbread Perseus. But I like Dr. No's stuff, and...maaaaaayyyybe.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/10/16 04:52 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
As of right now, the only octave-fuzz I own is my Catalinbread Perseus. But I like Dr. No's stuff, and...maaaaaayyyybe.


The Catalinbread Perseus is a two-octave-down octave-fuzz based on or reminiscent of the MXR Blue Box of Jimmy Page/"Fool In The Rain" fame, no? cool I've got a Blue Box, and might be interested in the Perseus if it improves upon the BB in any way...


I can VERY HIGHLY recommend the all-analog Foxrox Octron or Octron 2 to you- Octave-Up Fuzz as per fOXX Tone Machine, Octave-Down Fuzz a la Mu'Tron Octave-Divider, and a buffered/boosted Direct, all three mixable/blendable to taste, with very useful internal trim-pots and option-switches to tailor it all to your tastes and needs. One of the very best pedals I have, and a true classic among latter-day stomps. Run it at 18vdc for best results- but no higher, despite older information out there.

The Octron 2 adds individual stomp-switches and status LED's respective to the Octave-Up, Direct, Octave-Down, and Bypass/On on a larger enclosure, to the Octron.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/10/16 04:58 PM
Quote:
The Catalinbread Perseus is a two-octave-down octave-fuzz based on or reminiscent of the MXR Blue Box of Jimmy Page/"Fool In The Rain" fame, no? I've got a Blue Box, and might be interested in the Perseus if it improves upon the BB in any way...


I believe you have the right of it. I can't say for sure, though- never even seen a BB, much less played one, so I can't really compare.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 03/14/16 12:36 PM
oh hell yeah my prayers have been answered!

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/14/16 01:24 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
oh hell yeah my prayers have been answered!



Yours and mine, as well, Harv'... cool I LOVE classic Mellotron sounds...
Posted By: JuJu Kwan Re: cool new effects - 03/14/16 01:39 PM
I'd like to get an Ibanez 808 plus boost but at 250 I can't really afford it right now as I have get a new amp in a few months.
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 03/14/16 01:57 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
oh hell yeah my prayers have been answered!



**** me! Just take my money right now! Right. Now.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/14/16 02:01 PM
...adding the Mel9 to the shopping list as we speak.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/14/16 02:06 PM
Originally Posted By: JuJu Kwan
I'd like to get an Ibanez 808 plus boost but at 250 I can't really afford it right now as I have get a new amp in a few months.


There are pedals that cost less that deliver the 808's tones. And some give you other features in addition. You could probably get a used Visual Sound Jekyll & Hyde V2 (OD/Dist) for @$90 or less. Ditto their Double Trouble V2 (dual OD).

They changed their name to TrueTone, and as part of the metamorphosis, they've reworked and are re-releasing their more popular pedals. The V3s are better built and have even more features.




...but you should still save up for your amp first. smile
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/14/16 09:13 PM
All you Angusphiles are about to feel young again:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/14/16 09:23 PM
I believe I posted here about the Catalinbread EchoRec, which took a shot at recreating the tones you get from the classic Binson Echoplex. Well, another company has taken aim at the same target. Here it is, the Gurus Echosex2:

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/14/16 11:37 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
All you Angusphiles are about to feel young again:



Interesting, and definitely different!

Seems that Shaffer Vega wireless-unit was for Angus Young what the preamp of the Solid State EP-3 Echoplex was for Jimmy Page, Eddie Van Halen, and others; or, similarly, what Paul Deacon's home-made SS preamp/booster was for Brian May, or that Aiwa tape-deck preamp was for Ritchie Blackmore. Cool.

I never would have suspected that a wireless-unit was an important part of Angus Young's recording signal-chain in the studio on those albums. Huh! crazy

"The more you know"... thu cool

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I believe I posted here about the Catalinbread EchoRec, which took a shot at recreating the tones you get from the classic Binson Echoplex. Well, another company has taken aim at the same target. Here it is, the Gurus Echosex2:



Sounds beautiful!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/15/16 11:39 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
oh hell yeah my prayers have been answered!



As a dedicated MIDI Guitar geek, and one who's programmed some version of that Watcher Of The Skies Mellotron sound in every Synth I own, I have to admit, I'm favorably impressed. That Court Of The Crimson King opening was very nice, as well.

I'm much too invested (in every sense of the word) in my Guitar Synth rig now to chuck it and switch over to, say, a Mel9 and an SY-300, but I do like the idea of having access to more of these sounds from my guitars lacking hex pickups. For players who've been on the fence, because of cost & hardware issues, this is breakthrough technology, and yes, I'll probably buy one.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/15/16 01:29 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
As a dedicated MIDI Guitar geek, and one who's programmed some version of that Watcher Of The Skies Mellotron sound in every Synth I own, I have to admit, I'm favorably impressed. That Court Of The Crimson King opening was very nice, as well.

I'm much too invested (in every sense of the word) in my Guitar Synth rig now to chuck it and switch over to, say, a Mel9 and an SY-300, but I do like the idea of having access to more of these sounds from my guitars lacking hex pickups. For players who've been on the fence, because of cost & hardware issues, this is breakthrough technology, and yes, I'll probably buy one.


Much agreed, despite my NOT having experience with MIDI and real synths and samplers and all. While some critical listening would have me HAVE to admit that this series of EH pedals sound a little cheesy if compared to 'serious' keyboards and synths, etc., they ARE a LOT of FUN and sound PLENTY good enough! grin twothumbs

I own a B9, and really will most likely end up owning all four of these. I will say that the B9 sounds even better yet when run through my Boss RT-20 Leslie-sim pedal- especially in stereo-. And, the B9 is awfully bright and piercing- so much so that it would be a LOT more useful in my live rig if it had some sort of tone-control to roll back, or its own dedicated amp.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/15/16 01:34 PM
Caev...Winston might have an idea or two about your switching problem.
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 03/15/16 01:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
and yes, I'll probably buy one.


Get in line, buddy. I had my wallet out as soon as he pulled up the flute preset. There is not a single person here of my age group who didn't know what was coming with that flute patch.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/15/16 01:48 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Caev...Winston might have an idea or two about your switching problem.


I'm sure he does. I'll get it worked out, eventually. twothumbs Temporarily it might be as simple as placing the B9 and RT-20 next to each other, with some longer cables going to and from the RT-20.

Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
and yes, I'll probably buy one.


Get in line, buddy. I had my wallet out as soon as he pulled up the flute preset. There is not a single person here of my age group who didn't know what was coming with that flute patch.


I know, right?! crazy grin twothumbs

I absolutely love those strange, dreamy, at times watery Melotron sounds that permeate many of my favorite classic recordings. To have something for my guitar that is even approaching them just enough to be recognizable as such is a beautiful opportunity to be savored.

I love my Strymon El Capistan tape-flavored echo pedal for similar reasons.
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 03/15/16 02:58 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I absolutely love those strange, dreamy, at times watery Melotron sounds that permeate many of my favorite classic recordings. To have something for my guitar that is even approaching them just enough to be recognizable as such is a beautiful opportunity to be savored.


I'm not a fan of lo-fi at all, but I always loved the Mellotron, primarily because it DIDN'T sound like actual instruments. It was a cool, synthy texture which was WAY more organic than the waveforms coming out of analog synths. I'm just glad I never had to tour with or maintain one of them.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/15/16 04:47 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I absolutely love those strange, dreamy, at times watery Melotron sounds that permeate many of my favorite classic recordings. To have something for my guitar that is even approaching them just enough to be recognizable as such is a beautiful opportunity to be savored.


I'm not a fan of lo-fi at all, but I always loved the Mellotron, primarily because it DIDN'T sound like actual instruments. It was a cool, synthy texture which was WAY more organic than the waveforms coming out of analog synths. I'm just glad I never had to tour with or maintain one of them.


Exactly on all counts. (Not that I've ever toured in any interpretation of the term.)
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 12:33 AM
When I play the organ, I play the organ...when I play the guitar, I play the guitar...Happy St. Paddy's Day to you all! cool
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 10:36 AM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Caev...Winston might have an idea or two about your switching problem.


I'm sure he does. I'll get it worked out, eventually. twothumbs Temporarily it might be as simple as placing the B9 and RT-20 next to each other, with some longer cables going to and from the RT-20.


Caevan, send me a PM, we'll figure something out. My first thought would be something like the Boss LS-2 Line Selector. It's more than an A/B switch, it's also a signal loop switcher, with independent Level controls. I'd say put the B9 in its own loop, with a slightly lower level, so you can kick it on when you want, without changing levels on your amp to compensate.

Boss LS-2 Line Selector.
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 12:41 PM
I don't know if this is new but I found this on Amazon. It is less than $70. 9 preset storage slots.



Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 01:45 PM
That $70 Delay seems to good to be true? Looking through the reviews on Amazon, there were quite a few reviewers who said their unit died in a very short time. Reviews of customer service went both ways, glowing and abysmal. I'd save my $70 towards a known brand.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 02:06 PM
Originally Posted By: CEB
I don't know if this is new but I found this on Amazon. It is less than $70. 9 preset storage slots.





Holy cow that's dirt cheap! Seems pretty cool, too.

I see they also have the very basic but seemingly quite alright (super long pedal-name warning crazy grin ) Donner Yellow Fall Vintage Pure Analog Delay, which is SUPER dirt cheap at $35.00 + Free Shipping... !?

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
That $70 Delay seems to good to be true? Looking through the reviews on Amazon, there were quite a few reviewers who said their unit died in a very short time. Reviews of customer service went both ways, glowing and abysmal. I'd save my $70 towards a known brand.


Good point...
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 02:58 PM
Here is one that is on my short list. I don't like the PCB switches on the Flashback and a lot of their smaller pedals. The case on this guy looks totally different.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ND1


Basically I have a general delay I like for adding a little delay over top of verb(RV-5) to get that big panoramic Pedal Steel sound. It is an old cheapo but I like the Ibenez DE-7.

What I am after is very clean single repeats for dotted quarter and dotted eighth tricks. Maybe a DD-7 is all I need. I looked at the DD-500 which is more than I wanted to spend. I can't find a DD-20.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 04:49 PM
Originally Posted By: Larryz
When I play the organ, I play the organ...when I play the guitar, I play the guitar...

Showoff! laugh
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 04:53 PM
Originally Posted By: CEB
I don't know if this is new but I found this on Amazon. It is less than $70. 9 preset storage slots.





My worry would be less about the electronics, and more about the overall quality of construction. How long will the buttons & knobs work properly? How durable is the enclosure?
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 06:21 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Larryz
When I play the organ, I play the organ...when I play the guitar, I play the guitar...

Showoff! laugh


LOL! That line comes from the John Wayne Irish movie The Quiet Man...the little match maker was offered ice for his whiskey and said "Madam, when I drink water, I drink water, when I drink whiskey, I drink Whiskey"...I always think of that line when looking at all the gadgets that make a guitar sound like something else. The banjo is bad enough...now when they get to the bagpipes, I'll be a throwin in the towel...LOL! sick grin

But seriously folks, that Mel9 pedal does sound pretty damn cool. Maybe not as good as a real synth but pretty darn close for such a small package. Let me guess on the flute part Scott, intro to Can't You See by Marshall Tucker? cool
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 07:34 PM
Originally Posted By: Larryz
But seriously folks, that Mel9 pedal does sound pretty damn cool. Maybe not as good as a real synth but pretty darn close for such a small package. Let me guess on the flute part Scott, intro to Can't You See by Marshall Tucker? cool


I'm not Scott Fraser, but I did watch a Kronos Quartet video last night... wink I'm gonna put my money down on, "In the Court of the Crimson King"... (Although "Strawberry Fields" is also in the running... )
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 09:03 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Larryz
But seriously folks, that Mel9 pedal does sound pretty damn cool. Maybe not as good as a real synth but pretty darn close for such a small package. Let me guess on the flute part Scott, intro to Can't You See by Marshall Tucker? cool


I'm not Scott Fraser, but I did watch a Kronos Quartet video last night... wink I'm gonna put my money down on, "In the Court of the Crimson King"... (Although "Strawberry Fields" is also in the running... )


Strawberry Fields is it. Court of the Crimson King is the very first thing you hear in the video, using the Orchestra setting, but when he demonstrates the Orchestra, he plays the opening from Genesis' Watcher of the Skies.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 09:14 PM
A quick thought from your friendly neighborhood Devil's advocate, regarding the Mel9, B9, etc.: If someone were to collect 'em all, they'd spend right around $1000, for a nice bank of keyboard sounds. If I were just starting out right now, to assemble a Guitar Synth rig, I probably would grab the SY-300 and the Mel9, for just about the same total, and be done with it.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/16/16 09:46 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
A quick thought from your friendly neighborhood Devil's advocate, regarding the Mel9, B9, etc.: If someone were to collect 'em all, they'd spend right around $1000, for a nice bank of keyboard sounds. If I were just starting out right now, to assemble a Guitar Synth rig, I probably would grab the SY-300 and the Mel9, for just about the same total, and be done with it.


Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

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Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 02:49 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Larryz
But seriously folks, that Mel9 pedal does sound pretty damn cool. Maybe not as good as a real synth but pretty darn close for such a small package. Let me guess on the flute part Scott, intro to Can't You See by Marshall Tucker? cool


I'm not Scott Fraser, but I did watch a Kronos Quartet video last night... wink I'm gonna put my money down on, "In the Court of the Crimson King"... (Although "Strawberry Fields" is also in the running... )


Strawberry Fields is it. Court of the Crimson King is the very first thing you hear in the video, using the Orchestra setting, but when he demonstrates the Orchestra, he plays the opening from Genesis' Watcher of the Skies.


You guys are right I was dreaming of myself instead of as Scott's dream pick. I was thinking as a Marshall Tucker fan and should have said Heard It In A Love Song. They used the flute extensively. That's why I would use it for doing copies of their songs if I was still in a country rock band... cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 03:06 AM
Originally Posted By: Larryz

I always think of that line when looking at all the gadgets that make a guitar sound like something else. The banjo is bad enough...now when they get to the bagpipes, I'll be a throwin in the towel




pm me and I'll send u my address so u can ship ur gear here. razz
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 05:13 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
A quick thought from your friendly neighborhood Devil's advocate, regarding the Mel9, B9, etc.: If someone were to collect 'em all, they'd spend right around $1000, for a nice bank of keyboard sounds. If I were just starting out right now, to assemble a Guitar Synth rig, I probably would grab the SY-300 and the Mel9, for just about the same total, and be done with it.


Well, I'm halfway to having the set, and I'm probably going to complete it. (I MAY have "Sucker!" tattooed on my forehead...)

But I'm not trying to build a full on synth rig. Instead, I'm trying to sprinkle some of those sounds into my...well, not so much a set pedalboard so much as a fluctuating pedalclump...in a compact housing.

On top of that is my personal prejudice against "all in one" technologies in general, since their convenience comes at a cost. Yes, you only have to deal with 1 power supply and 1 set of cables, but you risk losing everything if the thing fails.
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 07:48 AM
Originally Posted By: Larryz
You guys are right I was dreaming of myself instead of as Scott's dream pick. I was thinking as a Marshall Tucker fan and should have said Heard It In A Love Song. They used the flute extensively. That's why I would use it for doing copies of their songs if I was still in a country rock band... cool


Perhaps I'm mistaken in my perception of Strawberry Fields as the singularly most iconic use of Mellotron flutes ever.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 09:07 AM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Perhaps I'm mistaken in my perception of Strawberry Fields as the singularly most iconic use of Mellotron flutes ever.


Naaa, you're probably not. I just 'misremembered' what was played in that promotional video, and cross-pollinated that with my perception of your more eclectic tastes...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 11:17 AM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: Larryz
You guys are right I was dreaming of myself instead of as Scott's dream pick. I was thinking as a Marshall Tucker fan and should have said Heard It In A Love Song. They used the flute extensively. That's why I would use it for doing copies of their songs if I was still in a country rock band... cool


Perhaps I'm mistaken in my perception of Strawberry Fields as the singularly most iconic use of Mellotron flutes ever.


Can't think of another song that leads in with that sound . . .
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 11:41 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
. . . But I'm not trying to build a full on synth rig. Instead, I'm trying to sprinkle some of those sounds into my...well, not so much a set pedalboard so much as a fluctuating pedalclump...in a compact housing.

On top of that is my personal prejudice against "all in one" technologies in general, since their convenience comes at a cost. Yes, you only have to deal with 1 power supply and 1 set of cables, but you risk losing everything if the thing fails.


Understood, part of why I seek out gently used gear, at stupid prices. Also part of why I have more than one Guitar Synth, or MFX unit, so I don't keep all my eggs in one basket.

One other thought about all those E-H boxes. I'd want to sit down in the music store, and really go through all the sounds, exhaustively. I think you'd find enough of them are, well, redundant, such that you probably don't need all four. For me, the appeal of the Mel9, above the others, is the idea of having those sounds available for any and all of my Guitars. Getting that Orchestra sound with one of my SG's . . . Oh, yes! Getting my 7-string LP to sound like a Suitcase EP just does't have the same appeal, somehow.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 12:12 PM
@ Hugo, Cool song! I'm not selling out just yet. I do love the pipes, I just don't want my guitar to sound like one LOL!

@ Scott, I'm sure you are correct...and I love the song too! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUcfB5Whp4I <---at the end of the clip, Paul plays the flute on the mellotron...

@ Winston, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j1CUY2ELtE <---this is what I was thinking of for a variety of flute songs and I think it would be easier to pack around a keyboard than a mellotron LOL! I really like the breath tube in the 2nd demo and the 3rd demo is using the software with a band cool

@ all, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiLUTWcLCgU here's my favorite flute intro (it's cheating a bit because it's real) but it's the sound I would be shooting for... bang
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 12:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith

One other thought about all those E-H boxes. I'd want to sit down in the music store, and really go through all the sounds, exhaustively. I think you'd find enough of them are, well, redundant, such that you probably don't need all four. For me, the appeal of the Mel9, above the others, is the idea of having those sounds available for any and all of my Guitars. Getting that Orchestra sound with one of my SG's . . . Oh, yes! Getting my 7-string LP to sound like a Suitcase EP just does't have the same appeal, somehow.



I think there may be some overlap, but not a heck of a lot. I've personally found something unique on each I thought worth my money, making each sat least a 2-trick pony for me. Beyond that?

Well...I AM a collector. wink
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 02:03 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I think there may be some overlap, but not a heck of a lot. I've personally found something unique on each I thought worth my money, making each sat least a 2-trick pony for me. Beyond that?

Well...I AM a collector. wink


Understood. If a piece of gear does at least one thing that none of my others will, or does it with a more compact footprint, I'm in.

Having a legion of Piano & Organ sounds in my Synths, I'm less interested in the first three E-H pedals. For some reason, though, the folks who do Sound Design for most of the major Synth manufacturers have neglected the unique, throaty growl & grind of the Mellotron. Like Scott, I also have a deep sentimental attachment to those sounds. Before the Synth took over, the Mellotron ruled. The Beatles, The Moody Blues, YES, Genesis, King Crimson, all of them used the Mellotron extensively. While I can program any sound I want into my Synths, the Mel9 is the first pedal in this series that made me think, "I'd definitely use that."
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 02:20 PM
Sideways thought: For anyone trying to figure out how to integrate boxes like this, with radically different EQ & gain structures from your usual pedal array, an A/B box & a small, cheap mixer with an FX Send/RTN could be the answer to a lot of your problems.

Say you have a pedalboard, a Mel9, and an RT-20. Put your A/B box 1st in line, then your pedalboard on A and your Mel9 on B. Send them to different channels on the mixer, for now. Next, plug the RT-20 into the S/R Loop, and finally, send the mixer's Mono Out to your amp. Adjust your levels & EQ in the mixer, so when you switch from Guitar + pedalboard to Mel9, you have the balance you want. You could also just place the RT-20 between the mixer Out and the Amp In, if your mixer doesn't have an S/R loop. With any luck, you won't have noise bleeding through from your pedalboard, into the mix. Sorry I can't work up an illustration, but maybe this will help . . .

Guitar Out -> A/B In
A Out -> Pedalboard
B Out -> Mel9
Pedalboard Out -> Mixer Channel 1
Mel9 Out -> Mixer Channel 2
Mixer Send-> RT-20 In
RT-20 Out -> Mixer RTN
Mixer Out -> Amp In

IME, most 2 & 4 Channel mixer will not have any kind of S/R, in which case, skip past Mixer Send, and go right to -

Mixer Out -> RT-20 In
RT-20 Out -> Amp In

That's my best suggestion, for now. Scott may have some more informed thoughts about possible issues running a small mixer into a guitar amp, but I've seen it done.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 02:43 PM
Thanks for that.

Caev was having a setup issue involving connecting one in his effects loop and a another pedal before his amp. He wanted to use- and thus, engage/disengage both simultaneously. I had an idea, but was ultimately stumped because of where the pedals were connected to the amp.

Got any clue?
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 02:48 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
One other thought about all those E-H boxes. I'd want to sit down in the music store, and really go through all the sounds, exhaustively. I think you'd find enough of them are, well, redundant, such that you probably don't need all four. For me, the appeal of the Mel9, above the others, is the idea of having those sounds available for any and all of my Guitars. Getting that Orchestra sound with one of my SG's . . . Oh, yes! Getting my 7-string LP to sound like a Suitcase EP just does't have the same appeal, somehow.


I got the EH B9 when it came out because, well, Hammond. In truth, I pretty much just use one of the 9 presets. The others are all variations of Hammond tone, but not hugely compellingly different. The Mel9 though, those are mostly all pretty distinctly different. I can see using at least half these sounds pretty regularly for my stuff. I would have given my left arm for this box back in the 70's.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/17/16 07:33 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
One other thought about all those E-H boxes. I'd want to sit down in the music store, and really go through all the sounds, exhaustively. I think you'd find enough of them are, well, redundant, such that you probably don't need all four. For me, the appeal of the Mel9, above the others, is the idea of having those sounds available for any and all of my Guitars. Getting that Orchestra sound with one of my SG's . . . Oh, yes! Getting my 7-string LP to sound like a Suitcase EP just does't have the same appeal, somehow.


I got the EH B9 when it came out because, well, Hammond. In truth, I pretty much just use one of the 9 presets. The others are all variations of Hammond tone, but not hugely compellingly different. The Mel9 though, those are mostly all pretty distinctly different. I can see using at least half these sounds pretty regularly for my stuff. I would have given my left arm for this box back in the 70's.


The biggest reason that I wanted the B9 and want to also get a C9 is to use them together in parallel for pseudo Jon Lord & Ritchie Blackmore toothsome grinding roar; B9 and C9 through my RT-20 Leslie sim, "straight" guitar signal bypassing that, and all of the above getting pretty heavily overdriven/distorted.

Getting cool Fender Rhodes electric piano-like sounds to send through my phasers or flanger, or anything evoking a pipe organ, is also very appealing.

And now these sounds evoking the flavor of Mellotron string, cello, and orchestral sounds is also quite alluring... Mellotron flutes? cool, bring 'em...

If the SY-300 can do any of that better than these EH stomps, I'm interested...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/18/16 10:55 AM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite


And now these sounds evoking the flavor of Mellotron string, cello, and orchestral sounds is also quite alluring... Mellotron flutes? cool, bring 'em...

If the SY-300 can do any of that better than these EH stomps, I'm interested...


@Caevan - from what I read of the SY-300, it's not going to give you anything like a convincing instrument emulation, it's meant to sound more like a Virtual Analog Synth, with multiple Oscillators, Filters, etc.. You might be able to wrest an Oboe or Flute sound out of it, though it would probably sound as much like a real Flute as that Mellotron sound does.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/18/16 11:01 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Thanks for that.

Caev was having a setup issue involving connecting one in his effects loop and a another pedal before his amp. He wanted to use- and thus, engage/disengage both simultaneously. I had an idea, but was ultimately stumped because of where the pedals were connected to the amp.

Got any clue?


First thought would be to ask if it's a two-channel amp. You might be able to save some excess tap-dancing, just by hitting a channel switch. Have the RT-20 in the Amp's FX Loop, use a simple passive splitter box before the Amp's Inputs, so each of the B9/C9 pedals is going to a separate channel. Caevan mentioned that Jon Lord sound, so maybe one of the pedals would want to feed into a Drive Channel for that.

Another possibility would be to have a simple passive splitter right before the two B9/C9 pedals, then place an A/B box after them. Most A/B boxes that I've seen can act as 1-In/2-Out, or 2-In/1-Out, depending on whether you're switching instruments or Amp Channels. Split the signal, then use the A/B box to choose which one is feeding into the Amp's Input.

I have yet to see a Stereo A/B box? Would that be an AA/BB box?

The other way to go might be to look into some of those pedalboard signal routers, although those things aren't cheap, by any means.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/18/16 03:53 PM
I was trying to suggest an Octa Switch like mine, so he could trigger both with a single tap.

But then I realized that either the pedal he wanted in front of the amp would effectively be moved into the effects loop, or the pedal in the effects loop would effectively be moved in front of the amp, depending on where the Octa was placed.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/18/16 04:23 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I was trying to suggest an Octa Switch like mine, so he could trigger both with a single tap.

But then I realized that either the pedal he wanted in front of the amp would effectively be moved into the effects loop, or the pedal in the effects loop would effectively be moved in front of the amp, depending on where the Octa was placed.


I was also thinking of something like the Octa-Switch, or the Digital Music Ground Control. Lifted this from the Carl Martin site, concerning the Octa-Switch - "There are also two External Switching jacks which allow you to use two amplifiers and/or switch channels on those amps." Maybe trying something like the "4-cable method" Boss GT users employ, with our Guitar Amps. Here's a decent primer on the technique, for anyone who's tried to integrate any MFX system with a Guitar Amp's S/R Loop:

4-Cable Method

Sounds like we're getting close to a solution, although the price point keeps going up. To be honest, this is part of why I went over to Multi-FX, years ago. I get a movable, assignable S/R jack, an onboard Looper, and I can assign the onboard pedals to control up to 8 different onboard/outboard functions, including MIDI Control Commands, Program Change Commands & Amp Channel Control - it's all already in there, I just have to tell it what I want it to do.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/18/16 05:48 PM
Now, as for Mellotron type sounds- I for one want some sounds that sound very much like what a Mellotron sounded like, and not so much 'more life-like' improved flute, string, orchestral simulations. I am very nostalgic for those not-quite-perfect-replica sounds of the Mellotron- the types that were immediately recognized from record to record by various bands of the era. Beatles, Moody Blues, King Crimson, Yes, Led Zeppelin... I love that wonky, wavery, watery sound!

Now- as for the Think Tank cogitating on my B9 and RT-20 switch trials...

You guys are great. wave Thanks!

That's not a pressing matter right now, it can go to the back burner- partly because it can wait until I can and want to throw money at it.

Regardless, I will likely solder together a Super8 Programmable Looper-kit from B.Y.O.C. ("Build Your Own Clone"), an original design from them and NOT a "clone" of anything despite their brand-name acronym and usual mission-statement. It looks to be a particularly excellent 8 channel true bypass looper, as well as a fantastic deal.

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B.Y.O.C. also offers their own Amp selector and Stereo FX Router-kit; truly a genuine AA/BB/Y-switcher, Winston! grin thu Eghrr, twothumbs

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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/18/16 06:12 PM
Quote:
That's not a pressing matter right now, it can go to the back burner- partly because it can wait until I can and want to throw money at it.


I approve of this! laugh

I thought of one $$$-based solution:

1) one Octa in front of the amp, one in the effects loop.

2) into each Octa, put an individual RT-20 and B9.

Result- you have 2 distinct B9 + RT-20 sounds available one from the front Octa setup, one for the looped Octa setup.

All you need is 2 Octas and one more B9 & RT-20...that's what...$1000?

Oh yeah, and some more cables & power supplies.





...and a LOT of floor space. crazy
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/18/16 07:33 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Quote:
That's not a pressing matter right now, it can go to the back burner- partly because it can wait until I can and want to throw money at it.


I approve of this! laugh

I thought of one $$$-based solution:

1) one Octa in front of the amp, one in the effects loop.

2) into each Octa, put an individual RT-20 and B9.

Result- you have 2 distinct B9 + RT-20 sounds available one from the front Octa setup, one for the looped Octa setup.

All you need is 2 Octas and one more B9 & RT-20...that's what...$1000?

Oh yeah, and some more cables & power supplies.





...and a LOT of floor space. crazy


grin thu

Check out that Super8; if you like that but are daunted by the prospect of soldering and assembling it yourself, I'd be happy to do the building for you. I've some Mil-Spec experience and enjoy soldering perfect little solder-joints. cool This offer goes for any of you fellow Forummites here. wave
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 03/19/16 02:52 AM
Thanks Caevan, that is very nice of you to offer your soldering services to our forumites! thu
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/19/16 03:27 AM
Soldering forumites just sounds...bad.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 03/19/16 12:08 PM
He's not soldering the forumites, he's soldering for them LOL! facepalm
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/19/16 03:33 PM
Soldiering Mennonites... ?! crazy freak
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/19/16 03:37 PM
I don't mess with electronics out of fear of committing solder me.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/19/16 03:37 PM
Originally Posted By: Larryz
He's not soldering the forumites, he's soldering for them LOL! facepalm


Like that makes it any better? wink
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 03/19/16 10:59 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I don't mess with electronics out of fear of committing solder me.


Just make sure you don't have a cold solder joint! puff
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/20/16 07:41 PM
Seriously, though, if any of you here like the idea of having one of the pedals from B.Y.O.C. or MOD Kits or the like, BUT DON'T want to do any soldering and assembly, hit me up, I'll gladly solder 'em up for ya free of charge.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/23/16 02:59 AM
More fun stuff:




Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/31/16 07:25 PM
Here's a little something for those kooky crazy kids, the Industrialectric 4046-M:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/31/16 07:39 PM
See also the Chase Bliss Spectre:
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 03/31/16 10:42 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Here's a little something for those kooky crazy kids, the Industrialectric 4046-M:



i love this!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/01/16 02:20 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Here's a little something for those kooky crazy kids, the Industrialectric 4046-M:



i love this!


In that case,you need to check out Skychord. The Glamour Box, Sleepdrone6 and Cloudbuster at the very least would seem to be your thing!

http://skychord.com/glamour-box.html
http://skychord.com/sleepdrone6.html
http://skychord.com/cloudbuster.html
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/01/16 12:34 PM
will get on it, yes sir. grin

this unit (or at least this video) has been out about a month, but it's new to me, so here ya go:

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/02/16 04:45 PM
Stompbox Nation, meet Modular Synth Maniacs: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2016/03/no...campaign=buffer
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/02/16 05:24 PM
That's pretty nutty!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 04/03/16 10:45 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
That's pretty nutty!


It's not as crazy as it may seem. Many old-school Analog Synths had the ability to patch in an external Audio signal, treat it as an Oscillator, and process it through the rest of the Synth's components, like the Filter. A lot of current Analog & VA (Virtual Analog) Synths have the capacity. Anything with a built-in Vocoder, like the MicroKorg, or the Alesis Micron, will let you plug in a mic, Drum Machine, Guitar, or even another Synth, and process it.

IMHO, the MicroKorg is a lot of fun, much deeper than it looks from the front panel, and it's a great introductory tool for learning about Synthesis. Used ones run around $200-250, and there are tons of Patches available online. If you're thinking about getting a Synth module as a Guitar processor, might as well get a whole working Synth for the money . . .
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/03/16 12:25 PM
Get behind me, Satan!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/03/16 06:59 PM
I'm kinda finding a lot to like here:

______

I'm certain that there will be one or another ring-modulator stomp in my near future...
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/03/16 09:06 PM
Some very nice metallic ringing in there!

I love Knobs' channel...always something wonkwise from normal.

And now they have a new one called Meet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDw4dD2G9d0&sns=em

Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 04/03/16 09:50 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I'm kinda finding a lot to like here:
I'm certain that there will be one or another ring-modulator stomp in my near future...


I bought a Maestro Music Modulator (designed & built by Tom Oberheim, marketed through Gibson,) in 1971 & have been happily ring modulating ever since. It's a big part of my sound, though I now use the built in ring modulator in the Boss GX700.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 04/04/16 10:30 AM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I'm kinda finding a lot to like here:
I'm certain that there will be one or another ring-modulator stomp in my near future...


I bought a Maestro Music Modulator (designed & built by Tom Oberheim, marketed through Gibson,) in 1971 & have been happily ring modulating ever since. It's a big part of my sound, though I now use the built in ring modulator in the Boss GX700.


Scott, how are you liking the Boss Ring Mod effect? I find that the Ring Mod in my GT-series processors isn't quite . . . twisted enough. It seems to almost stay in tune, no matter what I do with the Frequency setting. Did they change the DSP that much between series?
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 04/04/16 02:37 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I'm kinda finding a lot to like here:
I'm certain that there will be one or another ring-modulator stomp in my near future...


I bought a Maestro Music Modulator (designed & built by Tom Oberheim, marketed through Gibson,) in 1971 & have been happily ring modulating ever since. It's a big part of my sound, though I now use the built in ring modulator in the Boss GX700.


Scott, how are you liking the Boss Ring Mod effect? I find that the Ring Mod in my GT-series processors isn't quite . . . twisted enough. It seems to almost stay in tune, no matter what I do with the Frequency setting. Did they change the DSP that much between series?


I don't have a dog in the analog vs digital fight, but I have to say my old analog Maestro ring modulator is fuller & richer, maybe more 3D, than the digital ring modulators in my Boss GX700 & SE70s. These are 20+ year old 16bit devices & digital conversion has come a long way since then, so this may just be that I'm hearing less than wonderful digital conversion, less than wonderful code writing, restricted dynamics, aliasing, who knows. But, I also never use the ring mod plug in in Digital Performer. Somehow, they all manage to be mathematically correct, i.e. the frequencies of the carrier & program are dutifully added & subtracted, but the end result is never as gnarly as the analog version. I put up with it in my guitar rack because I'm aiming for plug & play portability, & spicing up the ring mods with delays, reverb & chorus. I haven't yet gotten to porting my GX700 patches over to the GT10 to see if I'm liking a more modern digital processor better than the old ones. That was just one of many projects which took a back seat during the life events of 2 years ago. Some day, I can imagine my live guitar rig resembling Laurie Anderson's current set up; a Mac laptop & a MOTU UltraLite, with every bit of processing happening in software.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 04/04/16 04:34 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser

I don't have a dog in the analog vs digital fight, but I have to say my old analog Maestro ring modulator is fuller & richer, maybe more 3D, than the digital ring modulators in my Boss GX700 & SE70s. These are 20+ year old 16bit devices & digital conversion has come a long way since then, so this may just be that I'm hearing less than wonderful digital conversion, less than wonderful code writing, restricted dynamics, aliasing, who knows. But, I also never use the ring mod plug in in Digital Performer. Somehow, they all manage to be mathematically correct, i.e. the frequencies of the carrier & program are dutifully added & subtracted, but the end result is never as gnarly as the analog version. I put up with it in my guitar rack because I'm aiming for plug & play portability, & spicing up the ring mods with delays, reverb & chorus. I haven't yet gotten to porting my GX700 patches over to the GT10 to see if I'm liking a more modern digital processor better than the old ones. That was just one of many projects which took a back seat during the life events of 2 years ago. Some day, I can imagine my live guitar rig resembling Laurie Anderson's current set up; a Mac laptop & a MOTU UltraLite, with every bit of processing happening in software.


Thanks for that. I'll be very interested to hear how you feel the GT-10's Ring Mod compares with the older Boss units.

For me, it's not an Analog vs Digital issue. My Line 6 M5 and my old Alesis Quadraverb+ deliver great Ring Mod sounds, but the Boss GT-series Ring Mods are just okay. The M5 and the Quadraverb allow me to filter out the high frequencies, as well. The Boss effect almost sounds like it's still trying to follow the musical scale, which a Ring Mod shouldn't do, at all. I'm not sure it's a true Sum & Difference engine, driving the effect.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/09/16 11:57 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Figured we could use this as a catch-all for mew effects unit news and discussion...anyway, check this out - a box for acoustic guitars that uses the guitar body itself as the "speaker": http://www.gizmag.com/tonewoodamp-acoustic-guitar-effects/33958/

grin


Looks like Yamaha's dropped a similar thing on us:



a simpler version to be sure, but still sounds pretty good to me.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/09/16 12:05 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Figured we could use this as a catch-all for mew effects unit news and discussion...anyway, check this out - a box for acoustic guitars that uses the guitar body itself as the "speaker": http://www.gizmag.com/tonewoodamp-acoustic-guitar-effects/33958/

grin


Looks like Yamaha's dropped a similar thing on us:



a simpler version to be sure, but still sounds pretty good to me.


Aaaaaah... an acoustic guitar line with those 'effects' built-in... Should've seen that coming...
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 04/09/16 06:10 PM
My buddy has something very similar he has installed on his guitar. It can be used on any acoustic, it sticks on the back using magnets while the amp is inside so it can be taken off for strictly acoustic playing. It won't mar the finish. It's not that loud but does add effects like reverb and chorus and is louder for playing around the campfire. Although some acoustic snobbies might give you a hard time for using reverb LOL! They are cool though! cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/21/16 12:56 PM
not a specific new effect, but yeah, more interesting than it sounds; maybe others will think differently: http://www.electronicbeats.net/feed/listen-100-guitar-pedals-chained-together/
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/22/16 11:39 AM
twin trem pedal:

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/25/16 01:54 AM
floppy disc delay?

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/25/16 05:28 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
floppy disc delay?





Ok...that IS cool!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/25/16 11:28 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
floppy disc delay?





Ok...that IS cool!


cool Pretty cool, if QUITE pricey and of a pretty limited run. While it has some unique features, I certainly wouldn't trade my El Capistan for it... Rhythmic Multi-Head and Stereo-I/O options would have been nice... And what are those tiny jacks on the let side? The one 'page that the makers have up is actually not particularly rich with truly useful information...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 04/30/16 07:27 PM
I was out playing at 2016 RobotFest today. Lots of fun, lots of very cool, but non-musical, devices, and then I saw two guys sitting at a table with a Squier guitar plugged in to ???? I stopped to admire their set-up, and they invited me to try it out. What they'd built, among other things, was a version of this -

Schumann PLL (Phase Loop Lock)

After a minute or so, I realized that I might never leave that table, if I didn't put the guitar down and back away. I gave them my card, and offered myself as a demo prop for future shows, since neither of them played guitar. It's even weirder than the description makes it sound . . .
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/30/16 10:08 PM
That's a cool cat's kit for sure!
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 05/01/16 06:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WdwapX59K8 <---here's a demo of the Schumann PLL cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 05/01/16 02:43 PM
^ some of the effects in that video sound a LOT like some of what Tool's Adam and Justin were doing on Lateralus. Was this box around back in 2000-01?
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 05/01/16 03:36 PM
^I couldn't guess at when they came out but the link above in Winston's post gives an email address: mail@schumannelectronics.com where you can contact the company and ask? cool
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/02/16 06:30 AM
The PLL has a clone!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ND6VdYSZKHA
https://www.facebook.com/DIMEHEAD-electronics-252275288170679/
http://blog.dimehead.de/
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/02/16 12:38 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
The PLL has a clone!

____


Cool. Looks like a Wizard Suit wearin' Prog Rocker's dream... cool And I DO mean that in a very good way.

So, Dannyalcatraz- if you had to choose between this and a Triskelion Harmonic Energizer MkII... which would ya stomp?
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/02/16 01:16 PM
Tough choice...but...I already have the Triskelion, which gives it an edge. wink

I won't lie, though...you know I'm lookin' at it.laugh

The Tri is made in the USA and has fewer controls. The clone seems to have more features and is made in Germany.

I think the Tri wins out on factors like relative ease of use and it's being slightly more available.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 05/03/16 11:31 AM
ok, maybe I'm pushing it, but in my opinion, mics can be "effects" in themselves. This review is about an older product, but 2 newer ones in the family are mentioned at the end, so this is going here: Copperphone
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/03/16 12:12 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
ok, maybe I'm pushing it, but in my opinion, mics can be "effects" in themselves. This review is about an older product, but 2 newer ones in the family are mentioned at the end, so this is going here: Copperphone



Cool. cool
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 05/03/16 12:23 PM
+1 mics are a tool that have an "effect" not only for recording but for live performances as well. Blue Grass players invest heavily in them to get the most natural sound they can get through a PA. They want the natural sound of the guitar, banjo, mandolin, bass, vocals etc., and pickups are just not allowed LOL! I think the acoustic pickup systems are finding their way into the genre more these days... cool
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/03/16 02:18 PM
While this may not be terribly 'sexy' to a lot of players, various means of creating volume-swells are a big part of what I love to do, and touch-sensitive, input-triggered envelope-controlled devices such as the venerable (but long since improved upon) Boss SG-1 Slow Gear and Guyatone SV2 Slow Volume really work for my fingerstyle "touch" and "play-the-amp" approach. Playing rapid-fire pluck-and-mute lines produces violin-bowed sounds on EVERY note, and even faked "backwards" effects, that are easily 'touch-controlled' for longer and shorter notes. And it's not terribly "new"- neither the basic pedal type or this particular brand and model- but, it may be new enough to many players...

I've just pulled the trigger for a "pre-order" on the last of these VFE Bumblebee Swell + Compressor pedals. It's an envelope-volume-swell, it's an optical-compressor, but most importantly, it's BOTH together... This marks the third VFE pedal that I've bought, and for good reasons- great quality, excellent construction, small size, and reasonable prices... cool

____________________________

I've enjoyed my little purple Guyatone SV2, but besides having gotten a little damaged (runaway transient feedback + wah + octave-fuzz + phaser all at once hit it a little too hard! crazy ), it always was a little finicky and difficult to get just-right volume-swells without the sustaining envelope of longer notes getting cut-off too soon, too easily, too often.

Having this two-in-one pedal harness an optical compressor circuit on the back of its envelope-swell front-end should solve that! Aughtta be just swell! thu
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 05/03/16 03:15 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
ok, maybe I'm pushing it, but in my opinion, mics can be "effects" in themselves.


Yeah, in a sense. When I want the effect to be "this sounds amazing" I pull out various of my Neumann mics. It invariably works.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/03/16 03:39 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
ok, maybe I'm pushing it, but in my opinion, mics can be "effects" in themselves.


Yeah, in a sense. When I want the effect to be "this sounds amazing" I pull out various of my Neumann mics. It invariably works.


cool twothumbs

What else do you ever do with various mics to get different sounds, Scott? Multi-mic combinations- close and far- for room-sounds, brighter or darker tones, lo-fi/vintage character, etc.?
Posted By: Danzilla Re: cool new effects - 05/03/16 04:38 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I've just pulled the trigger for a "pre-order" on the last of these VFE Bumblebee Swell + Compressor pedals. It's an envelope-volume-swell, it's an optical-compressor, but most importantly, it's BOTH together... This marks the third VFE pedal that I've bought, and for good reasons- great quality, excellent construction, small size, and reasonable prices... cool

____________________________



Lead me not into temptation, good sir!



Too late... Just watched the demo. Now I really want one. PianoBanana
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/03/16 04:56 PM
Originally Posted By: Danzilla
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I've just pulled the trigger for a "pre-order" on the last of these VFE Bumblebee Swell + Compressor pedals.


Lead me not into temptation, good sir!

Too late... Just watched the demo. Now I really want one. PianoBanana


I'm not sure, but I may have bought the last one made- at a ten dollar or more discount, in a cool wooden box- and with custom/unique color and graphics. Even if that's the case, though, there are still some recent production units out there among various retailers; let me know if you want one but can't find one, Dan', I'll probably know where to look...

Now, IMHO, the demo videos and clips that I've seen and heard just don't do them justice, they don't show much of the real potential of these at all. Maybe it's just my personal brand of fingerstyle "touch", damping and muting- I'm not half-bad at using these if I say so myself. With a little practice and getting the control-settings zeroed-in, I can get great violin-bowed notes in lead-lines, and "backwards" effects, picking and muting and picking to trigger the swell... Put that through some echo and reverb and it's so cool... cool

I'll be getting a new laptop before too long, so I should be able to record and post clips again.
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 05/03/16 08:34 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
What else do you ever do with various mics to get different sounds, Scott? Multi-mic combinations- close and far- for room-sounds, brighter or darker tones, lo-fi/vintage character, etc.?


Close & distant mics is pretty common for me, mainly to get a more three dimensional picture, more of a sense of depth. I've done as many as 3 stereo pairs for solo acoustic guitar albums. Not liking the current trend of intentional distortion on acoustic sources, for me a lo-fi sound means using an AKG C451 instead of a more purist Neumann mic. The 451 is bright, & less three dimensional than a similar Neumann, so it can impart the sort of excitement you get by cranking high end EQ, but without the phase shift.
When stacking string parts I'll often move the mics around the room for each subsequent pass, replace good mics with crap mics, point mics away from the instruments, have the players switch bows, etc. All so that each set of overdubs has a different sonic quality.
Lots of tools, many applications, all depends on what you're building. And why.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 05/04/16 10:29 AM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I've enjoyed my little purple Guyatone SV2, but besides having gotten a little damaged (runaway transient feedback + wah + octave-fuzz + phaser all at once hit it a little too hard! crazy ), it always was a little finicky and difficult to get just-right volume-swells without the sustaining envelope of longer notes getting cut-off too soon, too easily, too often.


Caevan, you and I both love these things! It might be worth your while to have the SV-2 checked out. Guyatone went out of business back in 2012/13?, so all of those little Guyatone boxes have gone way up in value. When I traded my Guyatone pedals in, the only one I kept is the SV2. I also have a Behringer Slow Motion . . . for under $20, it's worth keeping around.

One thought - I usually run my SV2 right at the front of my pedal chain, so that it always reads the same signal strength coming from the Guitar, something I learned from using my original Slow Gear. If I have anything in front of it, it'll be a Clean Boost, like my MXR Micro Amp, that's on all the time.

I keep hoping that Boss will reissue the Slow Gear as one of the Waza Craft series; so far, they've brought back the DM-2 and VB-2, which were out of production since the 80's, and the Slow Gear is one pedal they've been asked to reissue, many times.

For anyone who has one of the Line 6 M5/9/13 multi-effects, or the big green DL4 Delay Modeler, the Auto-Volume Echo works as an Attack Delay, and you can even dial back the Delay effect, to use it as just a Swell effect, if you like.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/04/16 10:44 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I've enjoyed my little purple Guyatone SV2, but besides having gotten a little damaged (runaway transient feedback + wah + octave-fuzz + phaser all at once hit it a little too hard! crazy ), it always was a little finicky and difficult to get just-right volume-swells without the sustaining envelope of longer notes getting cut-off too soon, too easily, too often.


Caevan, you and I both love these things! It might be worth your while to have the SV-2 checked out. Guyatone went out of business back in 2012/13?, so all of those little Guyatone boxes have gone way up in value. When I traded my Guyatone pedals in, the only one I kept is the SV2. I also have a Behringer Slow Motion . . . for under $20, it's worth keeping around.

One thought - I usually run my SV2 right at the front of my pedal chain, so that it always reads the same signal strength coming from the Guitar, something I learned from using my original Slow Gear. If I have anything in front of it, it'll be a Clean Boost, like my MXR Micro Amp, that's on all the time.

I keep hoping that Boss will reissue the Slow Gear as one of the Waza Craft series; so far, they've brought back the DM-2 and VB-2, which were out of production since the 80's, and the Slow Gear is one pedal they've been asked to reissue, many times.

For anyone who has one of the Line 6 M5/9/13 multi-effects, or the big green DL4 Delay Modeler, the Auto-Volume Echo works as an Attack Delay, and you can even dial back the Delay effect, to use it as just a Swell effect, if you like.


I'm sure that I will eventually get the SV2 repaired; its scratchy/grainy sound is only noticeable when using it with clean tones- its NOT noticeable with overdrive, distortion, or fuzz. However, the VFE Bumblebee- and some other similar pedals out there- are better yet than the Boss SG-2 AND the Guyatone SV2. I'm expeting to really, REALLY like the Bumblebee... cool

I've put the SV2 in a number of spots in my signal-chain, and found about as good of performance out of it as can be. It isn't too terribly fussy about where it's placed, in my experience, it's just a little fussy with notes getting cut-off no matter what. As you've experienced, a boost or compressor helps.

I really like the sound of overdrive or distortion ramping-up with the swell, when I place the SV2 or a volume-pedal (or using my guitar's volume-knob) in front of an overdriven/distorted tube-amp or an overdrive or distortion pedal; y' know, starting a little cleaner-sh crazy and quickly swelling to more dirtier... wink I know that many prefer to swell the dirt, but THAT'S how I roll...

The built-in n'gate/swell in the old Johnson J-Station digital-modeling/multi-effects desktop preamp that I used to have was pretty good; very good, really. That in the DigiTech GNX4 was pretty good, too.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 05/06/16 12:04 PM
ok, this is 6 months old, but I missed it the 1st time around.

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/06/16 12:34 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
ok, this is 6 months old, but I missed it the 1st time around.





That's a lot of cool parameters and features included in one pedal! I won't ditch my current favorite wah for it, but this does a lot of things- I'll try one out sometime and it might just be handy...


(Tip: if you're faking the multi-layered 5/4 intro and bridge for "White Room" live, descending minor and Major triads on the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd strings with a LOT of sustaining, singing feedback really works well; being backed-up by the bass and as many singers as you can muster all doubling and harmonizing with you also further helps conjure-up that classic bit of Cream multi-track madness.)
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 05/08/16 05:33 PM
Well, folks, I got an email from the folks who built the Schumann PLL clone, and they're offering me the pedal for essentially the cost of the components. Talk about an offer you can't refuse . . .
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/08/16 06:03 PM
Dictionary definition, almost.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 05/09/16 09:34 AM
u ordered it already, right?
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 05/09/16 09:57 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
u ordered it already, right?


No question! This will be my first 'custom', hand-assembled nut job pedal, so I'm very happy to get it. I also like knowing that the folks who built it are local, so if anything goes wrong, I have someone I can take it back to.

We'll meet up next week, so I'll have more of a report then . . .
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/09/16 10:20 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Well, folks, I got an email from the folks who built the Schumann PLL clone, and they're offering me the pedal for essentially the cost of the components. Talk about an offer you can't refuse . . .

This will be my first 'custom', hand-assembled nut job pedal, so I'm very happy to get it. I also like knowing that the folks who built it are local, so if anything goes wrong, I have someone I can take it back to.

We'll meet up next week, so I'll have more of a report then . . .


That's fantastic! I'm glad for ya, Winston! rawk
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/10/16 01:17 PM
I have the WMD Geiger Counter, but this is a nifty option, too:

http://www.musicgearguys.com/shop/onboard/wmd-geiger-counter-onboard/
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 05/11/16 02:29 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Earthquaker Devices is in yer hedz, buildin' yer dream-toanz:

http://earthquakerdevices.com/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/62578/New-for-NAMM-2016


The Avalanche Run mentioned at the end of that piece is finally out; here's some video:



...while I'm here, there's this from Alexander Pedals, too:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/11/16 07:34 PM
Nice on both counts!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/11/16 07:44 PM
It isn't a pedal, but rather, something you put them on:




Soooo much want.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/11/16 09:05 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
It isn't a pedal, but rather, something you put them on:




Soooo much want.


I considered thise, before I got my Pedaltrain 'board. I like the Holeyboard's curved and tiered design, but I DON'T care for their flimsy transport bag. If one wasn't lugging it around much, or went to the trouble and expense of obtaining some sort of big heavy-duty case for it, it wouldn't b so bad; if one is gigging, the pedaltrain and others are a better out-of-the-box way to go.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/11/16 09:16 PM
They've started selling a HSC for the boards now, for all models except the brand new super sized board. So no more issues of flimsy carry bags!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/11/16 09:41 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
They've started selling a HSC for the boards now, for all models except the brand new super sized board. So no more issues of flimsy carry bags!


Oh, sure- now that I bought another pedalboard! wink
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/12/16 05:15 PM
I want to get the ultra large to build a huge pedalboard. So many pedals... But as noted, there's no HSC for them yet.:(

But I'm tempted to get 2+ of the regular large ones, especially since I REALLY need to make different boards for different genres. And then I could mix & match colors...;)
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/12/16 09:18 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I want to get the ultra large to build a huge pedalboard. So many pedals... But as noted, there's no HSC for them yet.:(

But I'm tempted to get 2+ of the regular large ones, especially since I REALLY need to make different boards for different genres. And then I could mix & match colors...;)


With their curved design, two would be very nice side-by-side... I'd like two smaller boards with pre-amp-input pedals on one, and effects-loop pedals on the other...
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/12/16 10:03 PM
Ooooooh...not bad!

I was just thinking in terms of my genre-specific boards, but FUNCTION-specific makes just as much sense!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 05/13/16 11:43 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Ooooooh...not bad!

I was just thinking in terms of my genre-specific boards, but FUNCTION-specific makes just as much sense!


Danger, Will Robinson!!!

I did that with 4 Pedaltrain boards. One for front-end effects like Ring Mods, Filters and Pitch Shift effects, (The Pre-Frontal Lobe), one for OD/Dist. (the Big Box of Noise), one for Mod effects (the Motion Sickness box) and one for Delay/Reverb effects (named, as you might guess, the Tardis). While I've always been fond of Wilde's axiom that ". . . nothing exceeds like excess." this was really pushing it.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/13/16 12:34 PM
Reverb dot com is running a 15% Off Sale on Pedals until Midnight Cental Time tonight; use Coupon Code "Flash15" on Checkout:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/13/16 03:15 PM
I know- my inbox was flooded!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/14/16 01:45 AM
...so I bought a SolidgoldFX Sasori and TrueTone H2O V3.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/14/16 06:08 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
...so I bought a SolidgoldFX Sasori and TrueTone H2O V3.


Oh, nice! cool twothumbs

If I wasn't needing to get a new laptop soon, I would've taken advantage of that sale.

If you ever decide to part with that Sasori, Lemmy know, I want first dibs onnitt...
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/14/16 08:17 PM
The one I bought is even in the traditional "rising sun" color motif. laugh

I intend to use it on all those nifty 60's era spy theme songs- "The Prisoner" will probably be first.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/15/16 07:00 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
The one I bought is even in the traditional "rising sun" color motif. laugh

I intend to use it on all those nifty 60's era spy theme songs- "The Prisoner" will probably be first.


Niiiice. (Copper and Black? Or White and Red?) What other paint-jobs 'n' motifs izzitt available in?
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/15/16 01:44 PM
The motif designs are all identical, near as I can tell. The colors?

I got the red & white. There's also white & black, red & black, copper & black, bronze & black, Phoenix blue & black, Roman bronze & black, silver & black...that I know of.

AFAIK, the differences are merely cosmetic.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/16/16 11:37 PM
Just found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBr4FRo3e7w&sns=em
Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 05/17/16 12:08 AM
I don't know how new the Rev 2's are, but I just ordered the Moog Minifooger 05 Analog Delay pedal this weekend. Really looking forward to it.

I'm going to put my Empress Superdelay (special black edition with the vintage mods) when I have time.

The Moog delay starts at 35ms and goes all the way to 700ms, which is beyond the range of most analog delays (at both ends). Nice for slapback at 35ms.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/17/16 12:12 AM
Another one I just stumbled on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4da9vheycZg&sns=em
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/17/16 02:44 AM
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
I don't know how new the Rev 2's are, but I just ordered the Moog Minifooger 05 Analog Delay pedal this weekend. Really looking forward to it.

I'm going to put my Empress Superdelay (special black edition with the vintage mods) when I have time.

The Moog delay starts at 35ms and goes all the way to 700ms, which is beyond the range of most analog delays (at both ends). Nice for slapback at 35ms.


I'm a big fan of my Empress Heavy- tell us more about the Superdelay!
Also, a review on the Moog will be cool, too. I've loads of pedals, but have never pulled the trigger on one of theirs, eve though I'm positive they're killer.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 05/17/16 03:47 AM
The Superdelay is too complicated for live use, bottom line. Therefore, why bother?

I have a gazillion delay plug-ins and all of them are better than the Empress. But it does have some unique features that those who play guitar live (I rarely do; mostly a live bassist and woodwind player these days, rarely even playing keyboards live anymore, but gigging more than at any time in my life).

I doubt there is a delay pedal that covers more ground than the Empress Superdelay Vintage Modified edition.

I also only want analog pedals anymore; for digital, I'd rather wait until mix time with plug-ins. And simultaneously, I am splitting up my bass, keyboard, and guitar effects vs. cross-purposing, so I am optimizing for best of each category per instrument vs. compromise choices to cover all instruments.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 05/17/16 10:52 AM
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
I don't know how new the Rev 2's are, but I just ordered the Moog Minifooger 05 Analog Delay pedal this weekend. Really looking forward to it.


AFAIK, the changes are mostly, if not entirely cosmetic. The first run of pedals were all black, so on a dark stage, it was hard to see which was which. Now, they all have a 'silver triangle' motif.

Mini Moogerfoogers
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 05/17/16 12:10 PM
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
I don't know how new the Rev 2's are, but I just ordered the Moog Minifooger 05 Analog Delay pedal this weekend. Really looking forward to it.

The Moog delay starts at 35ms and goes all the way to 700ms, which is beyond the range of most analog delays (at both ends). Nice for slapback at 35ms.


Congrats! Keep us posted on how you like the new pedal. Looking forward to your review! The Live vs. Studio use issue would be of interest even if you are not playing much guitar live these days... cool
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/17/16 01:40 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
I don't know how new the Rev 2's are, but I just ordered the Moog Minifooger 05 Analog Delay pedal this weekend. Really looking forward to it.


AFAIK, the changes are mostly, if not entirely cosmetic. The first run of pedals were all black, so on a dark stage, it was hard to see which was which. Now, they all have a 'silver triangle' motif.

Mini Moogerfoogers


Nice insight.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 05/19/16 01:33 PM
Digitech Dirty Robot:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/19/16 01:54 PM
Yeah, that one was already on my G.A.S. list- SURPRISE!- and I just recommended it to a guy down under for a project he wanted to do with those tones..but on a budget.

Seriously- a lotta options for that price.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/25/16 03:39 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite

With their curved design, two would be very nice side-by-side... I'd like two smaller boards with pre-amp-input pedals on one, and effects-loop pedals on the other...
Ooooooh...not bad!

I was just thinking in terms of my genre-specific boards, but FUNCTION-specific makes just as much sense!


Danger, Will Robinson!!!

I did that with 4 Pedaltrain boards. One for front-end effects like Ring Mods, Filters and Pitch Shift effects, (The Pre-Frontal Lobe), one for OD/Dist. (the Big Box of Noise), one for Mod effects (the Motion Sickness box) and one for Delay/Reverb effects (named, as you might guess, the Tardis). While I've always been fond of Wilde's axiom that ". . . nothing exceeds like excess." this was really pushing it.


Been mulling this over. One of the boards I thought about making was a "Sci-Fi" board. Well, it seems to me that THIS one at least might be dominated by effects that usually work best when in the FX loop- envelope filters, ringers, arpeggiators, random tone generators, etc. So making such a board could REALLY make sense.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 05/25/16 05:16 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz

Been mulling this over. One of the boards I thought about making was a "Sci-Fi" board. Well, it seems to me that THIS one at least might be dominated by effects that usually work best when in the FX loop- envelope filters, ringers, arpeggiators, random tone generators, etc. So making such a board could REALLY make sense.


My general rule of thumb is that anything I would tend to treat as an Instrument voice (Ring Mods, Synth Pedals, Octave & Pitch Shift effects) goes at, or right near, the front of my signal chain. Same goes for most Filter effects. If they're meant to be dynamics-driven, like an Envelope Filter, I want them to get a consistent signal level coming from the Guitar. The "Frontal Lobe" box held those types of effects, with my MXR Micro Amp first in line as a Buffer/Boost, followed by my SV2 Slow Volume (Attack Delay), so the SV2 would always get the same signal strength to drive it.

I have been looking at The Arpanoid pedal, and I have to admit, I'm not sure where I would place it in the signal chain. Most likely, I would experiment until I found wherever it responded best to my playing.

Two suggestions: Octaver into an Envelope Filter can give you some PHAT Jaco/Stevie Wonder-style sounds. Run that mix into a nice slow Phaser effect and all you need is your own Hot Tub Time Machine.

Second suggestion: 'Tune' your Ring Mod (dial in the Frequency to match your Root as best you can), then run it into an Envelope Filter. You'll get anything from thick Synth-like tones to Robot Frat Party tones, complete with gastric distress.

Have fun, whatever you decide to do!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 05/25/16 07:25 PM
I like this one:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/25/16 07:31 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz

Been mulling this over. One of the boards I thought about making was a "Sci-Fi" board. Well, it seems to me that THIS one at least might be dominated by effects that usually work best when in the FX loop- envelope filters, ringers, arpeggiators, random tone generators, etc. So making such a board could REALLY make sense.


My general rule of thumb is that anything I would tend to treat as an Instrument voice (Ring Mods, Synth Pedals, Octave & Pitch Shift effects) goes at, or right near, the front of my signal chain. Same goes for most Filter effects. If they're meant to be dynamics-driven, like an Envelope Filter, I want them to get a consistent signal level coming from the Guitar. The "Frontal Lobe" box held those types of effects, with my MXR Micro Amp first in line as a Buffer/Boost, followed by my SV2 Slow Volume (Attack Delay), so the SV2 would always get the same signal strength to drive it.

I have been looking at The Arpanoid pedal, and I have to admit, I'm not sure where I would place it in the signal chain. Most likely, I would experiment until I found wherever it responded best to my playing.

Two suggestions: Octaver into an Envelope Filter can give you some PHAT Jaco/Stevie Wonder-style sounds. Run that mix into a nice slow Phaser effect and all you need is your own Hot Tub Time Machine.

Second suggestion: 'Tune' your Ring Mod (dial in the Frequency to match your Root as best you can), then run it into an Envelope Filter. You'll get anything from thick Synth-like tones to Robot Frat Party tones, complete with gastric distress.

Have fun, whatever you decide to do!


I'm copying this post into my notes app for future reference.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 05/26/16 09:37 AM
Glad to be of service, brother! Still owe you an email, too, I haven't forgotten!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/26/16 10:42 PM
A little something different:
https://robertkeeley.com/product/bubble-tron-dynamic-flanger-phaser/
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/28/16 03:55 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz


Nice. cool

________
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/28/16 04:05 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
I like this one:



Cool. cool
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/28/16 04:07 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Digitech Dirty Robot:





I like how some of those sounds and passages evoke In Through the Out Door-era John Paul Jones keyboard-sounds with Led Zeppelin... I like that a lot. cool
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/28/16 04:21 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
I like this one:



Good 'un!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/28/16 04:21 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Digitech Dirty Robot:





I like how some of those sounds and passages evoke In Through the Out Door-era John Paul Jones keyboard-sounds with Led Zeppelin... I like that a lot. cool


I was thinking likewise!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/28/16 04:35 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
I like this one:



Good 'un!


Agreed. If I wasn't awaiting delivery of a special paint-jobbed VFE Bumble Bee, I might be more interested in that Maleko Sneak Attack. I know that the Sneak Attack does a lot that the Bumble Bee does not, but the Bumble Bee does EXACTLY what I want it to do (as far as I can tell from promotional videos and whatnot), no more and no less, it and other pedals that I already own have me covered, and I'm alright widdatt. cool

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Digitech Dirty Robot:





I like how some of those sounds and passages evoke In Through the Out Door-era John Paul Jones keyboard-sounds with Led Zeppelin... I like that a lot. cool


I was thinking likewise!


Great minds think alike. And often so do warped ones. wink
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/28/16 07:44 PM
And mine is greatly warped. wink
Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 05/28/16 07:56 PM
The Minifooger Delay does say "New Design" inside the box, but maybe that only refers to the cosmetic changes.

I put it through its paces today, and despise it. But it's been YEARS since I have used delay with an amp, vs. waiting until mixing and album production time. I probably just don't know how to take proper advantage of delay from a playing point of view.

What I love about this pedal is the slapback settings, but even though this has the longest available delay time (700 ms) of any analog pedal, I don't like it for anything but slapback, where it excels. Especially on Wall of Voodoo type material. Really rich and deep, and musical at any setting of feedback and/or drive.

It works pretty well on bass guitar, so probably keyboards as well (I'll try that later). Maybe it isn't voiced well for guitar. It gets boomy too easily, at any setting of the pedal, guitar, and/or amp. Also a bit harsh; maybe even too clinical.

I tried my Strat, my Yamaha Pacifica, and my Les Paul, at every setting, and all four channels of my Fender Deluxe Reverb amp. I didn't try the Effects Loop, or my other amps (Custom Hand-Wired Vox AC15, and Mesa Royal Atlantic head w/ 2x12 Rectifier cabinet). I'm short on time today and was trying to limit the number of permutations for initial review, as I was mostly trying out my EHX Big Muff Pi Nano Edition that also arrived last week.

I may just not like delay as an "effect" vs. a production technique. After all, I despised my TC Electronic D-Two rack unit that I sold a few years back. I make fairly subtle use of delay on guitar stems and submixes/groups at production time, and am quite happy with my plug-ins.

I think I may prefer the timbre of the Empress Superdelay (which I haven't had time to put up for auction yet), but I do find that pedal completely impractical for real-time use and insufficiently flexible for studio work where I have much better plug-ins at my disposal than forcing delay at tracking time with digital effects and AD/DA conversion degrading the sound.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/28/16 08:37 PM
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
The Minifooger Delay does say "New Design" inside the box, but maybe that only refers to the cosmetic changes.

I put it through its paces today, and despise it. But it's been YEARS since I have used delay with an amp, vs. waiting until mixing and album production time. I probably just don't know how to take proper advantage of delay from a playing point of view.

What I love about this pedal is the slapback settings, but even though this has the longest available delay time (700 ms) of any analog pedal, I don't like it for anything but slapback, where it excels. Especially on Wall of Voodoo type material. Really rich and deep, and musical at any setting of feedback and/or drive.

It works pretty well on bass guitar, so probably keyboards as well (I'll try that later). Maybe it isn't voiced well for guitar. It gets boomy too easily, at any setting of the pedal, guitar, and/or amp. Also a bit harsh; maybe even too clinical.

I tried my Strat, my Yamaha Pacifica, and my Les Paul, at every setting, and all four channels of my Fender Deluxe Reverb amp. I didn't try the Effects Loop, or my other amps (Custom Hand-Wired Vox AC15, and Mesa Royal Atlantic head w/ 2x12 Rectifier cabinet). I'm short on time today and was trying to limit the number of permutations for initial review, as I was mostly trying out my EHX Big Muff Pi Nano Edition that also arrived last week.

I may just not like delay as an "effect" vs. a production technique. After all, I despised my TC Electronic D-Two rack unit that I sold a few years back. I make fairly subtle use of delay on guitar stems and submixes/groups at production time, and am quite happy with my plug-ins.

I think I may prefer the timbre of the Empress Superdelay (which I haven't had time to put up for auction yet), but I do find that pedal completely impractical for real-time use and insufficiently flexible for studio work where I have much better plug-ins at my disposal than forcing delay at tracking time with digital effects and AD/DA conversion degrading the sound.


Just what sort of timbre and character are you looking for in echo/delay? Can you cite given known song recordings and/or post clips or videos?

Was it you who's posted before that you didn't like the Strymon El Capistan?
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 05/28/16 09:00 PM
@ Mark, try an MXR Carbon Copy next time you're near a GC store...it's a great little Delay pedal IMHO, and it will work very well with a Fender Deluxe Reverb amp...it's reasonably priced for what you get! cool
Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 05/28/16 09:26 PM
Can't remember if I once owned a Carbon Copy and sold it, but if so, it was when I was new to guitar sound manipulation (e.g. guitar amps and effects) and only had one since-sold amp (a Mesa Lonestar combo, which had fairly harsh speakers).

I will give it a try though. I didn't care for El Capistan (or any digital delay). Can't think of song examples of what I like right now; only what I don't like (e.g. David Gilmour's sound, even though I have a semi-positive view on Pink Floyd as a band).

I definitely love slapback, from the 50's through the 80's revival (e.g. Stan Ridgeway). The Moog Delay sounded best to me on my D'angelico XL-1 arch-top.

Oh, I also love the sounds of Johnny Marr (especially "How Soon Is Now?") and A Flock of Seagulls. EVERYTHING by Siouxsie and the Banshees also, but I was more aware of the chorusing on the bass than the effects on the multiple guitarists (one of whom was Robert Smith of The Cure) who passed through that band -- though I in general love Robert Smith's sound.

Big fan of Andy Summers' sound, as well as Devo's early albums (probably mostly slapback), and really, almost any of the 80's New Wave (including Tears for Fears, Joe Jackson) and later Brit-Pop (everything by Blur). Not such a fan of 70's guitar sounds/effects.

Maybe this is getting too specific about delays to stay in this thread? I think this topic is supposed to be just about announcements and discussions of brand-new pedals?
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 05/28/16 09:34 PM
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifier...r-effects-pedal <---here's the pedal and some reviews on MF. Should bridge the gap for 50' through the 80's and it's analog... cool
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 05/29/16 10:12 AM
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
The Minifooger Delay does say "New Design" inside the box, but maybe that only refers to the cosmetic changes.

I put it through its paces today, and despise it.

I may just not like delay as an "effect" vs. a production technique. After all, I despised my TC Electronic D-Two rack unit that I sold a few years back. I make fairly subtle use of delay on guitar stems and submixes/groups at production time, and am quite happy with my plug-ins.

I think I may prefer the timbre of the Empress Superdelay (which I haven't had time to put up for auction yet), but I do find that pedal completely impractical for real-time use and insufficiently flexible for studio work where I have much better plug-ins at my disposal than forcing delay at tracking time with digital effects and AD/DA conversion degrading the sound.


Mark, I'm sorry you didn't like the sound of the MF Delay. It seems from your post, and the one following, that you might prefer a much shorter Delay setting than the 700ms the MF tops out at? Old-school Analog Delays topped out at around 300ms. BTW, that gets you right in for that classic Cure/Siouxsie sound, Analog Chorus or Flanger into short Analog Delay. If you're a fan of Robert Smith's sound, a nice Analog Flanger will get you most of the sounds from Faith. IIRC, Robert Smith turned all the knobs on his Boss effects to the same setting, possibly Noon? There's an old issue of GP I'll have to dig out, to make sure, but it was something obvious, like that.

While I agree with Larryz that the Carbon Copy is a very nice Analog Delay, I can't imagine that it will give you anything you don't already get from the MF Delay? It should sound, and behave, almost exactly like the MF. If you're going to try out another Analog Delay, try the Waza Craft re-issue of the Boss DM-2; that'll give you a classic 80's Delay sound. If you don't like what it puts out, maybe Delay isn't the sound you're looking for?

One last thought; try the Delay in front of your amp, instead of putting it in the Effects Loop. Back in the 80's, we tended to run our pedals right into the amp; the only folks I saw using the Effects Loops were the guys running rack effects.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/29/16 12:50 PM
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
Maybe this is getting too specific about delays to stay in this thread? I think this topic is supposed to be just about announcements and discussions of brand-new pedals?


I think it's fine to discuss here! It's certainly topical enough for me.

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
One last thought; try the Delay in front of your amp, instead of putting it in the Effects Loop. Back in the 80's, we tended to run our pedals right into the amp; the only folks I saw using the Effects Loops were the guys running rack effects.


GOOD CALL. That just might be the difference.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 05/29/16 02:20 PM
+1 Winston, I can get most of what I want with just a Fender amp with reverb and have no idea if the MF at 700ms would be any different than the Carbon Copy which tops out at 600ms as I've never owned the MF or worried about the ms's LOL! I do have a Carbon Copy and they get some great 50's 60's 70's, etc. delay sound for rock and roll when you want some slap back or just to add a little echo to the verb now and then. If you don't like the Carbon Copy, you probably won't like the delay effect you get from other pedals either LOL! I switched to my SS Fender Floor pedal which gets some nice delay and reverb while amp modeling. If just adding some delay for rockabilly, I now just use the Memphis Sun by Keeley pedal... cool

ps. I don't care for effects loops, but appreciate those that do like that concept for some of their pedals...depends on the type of equipment they are using and how well the pedal works with the amp/pa/etc.
Posted By: SEHpicker Re: cool new effects - 05/29/16 02:36 PM
I recently bought a Wampler Faux Tape Echo Delay pedal and really like it. You can get that 50s & 60s slapback effect & much more.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 05/29/16 03:08 PM
Cool, some great suggestions, and thanks for the info that the typical delays of the day were topping out at 300ms at most. It may be that the Moog pedal is SO good at slapback and short delays that it's worth keeping, and just not using to its fullest.

I really detest the Carbon Copy; went through it again yesterday. The Moog is super-lush and even convincingly retro at its shorter delay settings.

Turns out I was wrong about Moog having the longest delay. I forget which it is now, but probably the Maxon (Pro Edition); maybe the Malekko Ekko. One or the other goes to 900 ms. I didn't like how either sounded, personally.

Yeah, I think I just don't like long delays in general, with the minor exception of special effects such as diffusion, which I use rarely but have found ways to customize (in plug-ins, of course) for musically pleasing results.

The Wampler delay is not a pedal Iw as familiar with; though I am aware of some of their other pedals. The problem is that Andy makes EVERYTHING sound good, so I'll see if they have the pedal at a nearby store to try out in person. :-)

I do think in a way though, that the built-in tremolo and reverb of the Fender Deluxe Reverb can cover most of the bases for time modulated guitar. Obviously there are so many permutations that can't be covered that way, but those two effects are ALWAYS musical and pleasing. Sometimes less is more, in terms of the sonic toolkit one surrounds oneself with. This forces us to master what we have.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 05/29/16 03:17 PM
The Sweetwater demo for the Wampler Faux Tape Echo pedal is also quite nice:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FauxEchoTap

At the more expensive end ($900), T-Rex has a BRAND NEW tape echo pedal, that of course uses actual tape vs. being an emulation:

http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/23993-t-rex-replicator-tape-echo-review

A friend of mine who has been through dozens of delay pedals over the years, says he can never go back to BBD based delay now that he has a real vintage tape echo machine. Unfortunately for my wallet, I might be on that same page. :-)
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 05/29/16 03:58 PM
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
The Sweetwater demo for the Wampler Faux Tape Echo pedal is also quite nice:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FauxEchoTap
At the more expensive end ($900), T-Rex has a BRAND NEW tape echo pedal, that of course uses actual tape vs. being an emulation:
http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/23993-t-rex-replicator-tape-echo-review
A friend of mine who has been through dozens of delay pedals over the years, says he can never go back to BBD based delay now that he has a real vintage tape echo machine. Unfortunately for my wallet, I might be on that same page. :-)


Having owned many a tape delay (Echoplex, Echolette, 2 Roland Space Echoes, Korg Stage Echo) over the years I'm quite over any sense of nostalgia for these devices. Everything I used them for is available at a much higher level of quality with digital devices. Not wanting to start a digital vs analog debate, I'll just reiterate, for what I used them for (VERY long, sustainy, ambient spacescapes) they were always too noisy & too wobbly for me, & I was very glad to switch to digital delays/reverbs when they became available. I presume current tape machines are somewhat better, but I know people like them precisely because they are full of quirky flaws. If you want my old Stage Echo or Echoplexes, currently stored in a gear closet of stuff I can't bear to look at anymore, let me know.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/29/16 05:28 PM
There are a lot of quality tape delay/echo emulation pedals out there- I've got a Catalinbread EchoRec, and will soon be following in the footsteps of Eric Johnson by getting one of ther Belle Epochs as well. (He has 3 of those on one of his recent touring boards.)
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/30/16 11:55 AM
Mark- can you cite some very specific song examples of the type of sound you're looking for? Can you tell us what you do and DON'T like in the sound of what you're getting with the MF? That could help us figure out an analog or maybe even digital solution for you here... I think that Winston had a really good idea there in your trying out echo-pedals in front of your amp's input, as well as in its effects-loop...

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
There are a lot of quality tape delay/echo emulation pedals out there- I've got a Catalinbread EchoRec, and will soon be following in the footsteps of Eric Johnson by getting one of ther Belle Epochs as well. (He has 3 of those on one of his recent touring boards.)


Other than having a lot of extended delay-time available that would go untapped (pun unintended) by Mark Schmieder, the Catalinbread Belle Epoch, placed in front of his amp's input, might net a really satisfying sound.

Or, Mark- you might consider shelling out for an old original EH Deluxe Memory Man. Those are FANTASTIC sounding analog-delay echo pedals! As far as I know, its original designer, Howard "Mick" Davis, will still repair/restore/optimize/modify them for optimal performance. He had a few for sale years ago, he might again.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 05/30/16 05:00 PM
Oh, I have Deluxe Memory Man and don't like it at all on guitars. Not even sure yet that I like it so much on analog synths and/or rare usage on bass guitar.

Yeah, I think I'm just not a delay man. Just as I am very sparse in my use of reverb. I don't even use chorus or flanging (or phasing) much anymore.

So I think it's just one of those things, where an effect may only have a few sweet spots but that's good enough.

The Caitlinbread stuff sounds good.

My main problem with the MF Delay is that it gets boomy really easily. But I haven't tried it in the effects loop yet, or on other amps.

As a producer, I am always conscious of mud and of colliding frequencies. The biggest conflict I have with guitarists when recording, is the near-universal insistence on having lots of "bottom" in their sound (except for the true studio-experienced professionals I occasionally deal with).

I even sculpt away a lot of bottom from my own bass sound when I record, to make room for the kick drum.

Anyway, everyone has been a big help in framing the evaluation process, explaining some historical context, describing era-specific delay styles/types, and in recommending some others to look at.

I think I'm going to have to hold off on further evaluation at this point though, and see if I can work with the MF Delay using EQ and HPF's to tame the boom. I was just hoping to finalize some stuff soon so I can make clear decisions about segregating my guitar, bass, and keyboard effects to different pedal boards.
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 05/30/16 06:13 PM
I liked the old Memory Man as a chorus pedal. As a delay pedal not so much.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/31/16 02:40 AM
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
Oh, I have Deluxe Memory Man and don't like it at all on guitars. Not even sure yet that I like it so much on analog synths and/or rare usage on bass guitar.

Yeah, I think I'm just not a delay man. Just as I am very sparse in my use of reverb. I don't even use chorus or flanging (or phasing) much anymore.

So I think it's just one of those things, where an effect may only have a few sweet spots but that's good enough.

The Caitlinbread stuff sounds good.

My main problem with the MF Delay is that it gets boomy really easily. But I haven't tried it in the effects loop yet, or on other amps.

As a producer, I am always conscious of mud and of colliding frequencies. The biggest conflict I have with guitarists when recording, is the near-universal insistence on having lots of "bottom" in their sound (except for the true studio-experienced professionals I occasionally deal with).

I even sculpt away a lot of bottom from my own bass sound when I record, to make room for the kick drum.

Anyway, everyone has been a big help in framing the evaluation process, explaining some historical context, describing era-specific delay styles/types, and in recommending some others to look at.

I think I'm going to have to hold off on further evaluation at this point though, and see if I can work with the MF Delay using EQ and HPF's to tame the boom. I was just hoping to finalize some stuff soon so I can make clear decisions about segregating my guitar, bass, and keyboard effects to different pedal boards.


Hmmm... many vintage-flavored echo pedals are slanted toward dark toned repeats, which might be contributing to a bit of muddiness in your mixes. Perhaps THAT is part of what you're not liking about many of these. Maybe brighter, cleaner, thinner toned delays would serve you better, and/or those that allow such tonal sculpting. For what it's worth, at least as an example, the El Capistan has Tape Age, Tape Bias, Low End Contour, and overall Boost/Cut parameters which all can have quite an impact on low-end and "boominess".
Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 05/31/16 05:51 PM
Good points. El Capistan is pretty good actually, and the ability to avoid the dark and muddy low frequency buildup is quite helpful. But I don't play guitar live (very often); I'm mostly a bassist and woodwind player plus sometimes (used to be regular) keyboardist and ethnic instrument multi-instrumentalist.

So, once we're talking studio vs. stage, I see no point in digital outboard effects, due to limited functionality, flexibility, ergonomics, and AD/DA conversion quality. I'm not completely closed to it; it's just a harder sell as I like to exhaust all of my "in-the-box" options first, once focused on digital vs. analog.

At any rate, this has all been very educational. I really didn't start focusing on electric guitar sound manipulation (amps, pedals, etc.) until a few years ago, when I suddenly met a LOT of really good guitarists who were patient enough to educate me in return for what I've done for them with my production work etc. I was too intimidated before, as I didn't leave the world of pure acoustic music/instruments until the mid to late 80's, and that was a really bad time for learning, history, buying, etc.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/01/16 01:40 PM
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
Good points. El Capistan is pretty good actually, and the ability to avoid the dark and muddy low frequency buildup is quite helpful. But I don't play guitar live (very often); I'm mostly a bassist and woodwind player plus sometimes (used to be regular) keyboardist and ethnic instrument multi-instrumentalist.

So, once we're talking studio vs. stage, I see no point in digital outboard effects, due to limited functionality, flexibility, ergonomics, and AD/DA conversion quality. I'm not completely closed to it; it's just a harder sell as I like to exhaust all of my "in-the-box" options first, once focused on digital vs. analog.

At any rate, this has all been very educational. I really didn't start focusing on electric guitar sound manipulation (amps, pedals, etc.) until a few years ago, when I suddenly met a LOT of really good guitarists who were patient enough to educate me in return for what I've done for them with my production work etc. I was too intimidated before, as I didn't leave the world of pure acoustic music/instruments until the mid to late 80's, and that was a really bad time for learning, history, buying, etc.


Well, then, whether by pedal or plug-in or what have you, I'm guessing that any means to roll-off a little treble and a little more bass from echo repeats, emphasizing midrange there, without wobble, warble, or degradation, would be beneficial to you.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/03/16 06:38 PM
Any fans of univibery?
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/03/16 08:04 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Any fans of univibery?


Yes. Though I've yet to get any sort of 'Vibe, unless you count the UV-Sim that my Boss RT-20 does, which is good enough to make me want the real thing. I'm VERY likely to score a Fulltone Mini Deja 'Vibe 3 before too long. (I'll listen to that McCaffery Audio 'Run Rabbit Run' vid when I can; I'm at work right now... )

Interesting, synchronous timing, considering the reference in the pedal's name- I saw your post there while "Raise My Rent" by David Gilmour was playing on Pandora streaming audio here at work... cool
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/03/16 10:03 PM
I've got the RT-20 as well, as you may recall, and have that same itch. I'm liking that Rabbit...
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/03/16 10:57 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I've got the RT-20 as well, as you may recall, and have that same itch. I'm liking that Rabbit...


I'm thinkin' I'll stay my course toward the Fulltone MDV-3...
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/03/16 11:36 PM
I gotta B me, U gotta B U!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/04/16 10:12 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I gotta B me, U gotta B U!


Always a good guide in pedal, amp, and guitar choices.

For example, while the B9, Key 9, etc. pedals from EH are plenty cool, when I copped various keyboard sounds "the hard way" with multiple pedals and techniques, I definitely sounded much more "like me".

And I know a lot of people enjoy EH's POG line; personally, I can't stand that sound, and would sound like a lot of people, and less individual, if I used those for octave sounds. Thankfully, the B9, C9, etc. don't sound quite as 'POGgy' as they might.

blah Sorry! grin
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/04/16 02:02 PM
Whereas, I don't have time to figure out how to dial in a keyboardy sound with other gear, so the EHX keyboard pedals are a godsend to me.

As long as people don't get too snooty about things, and realize there are many paths, things are good. Pedals are just tools.









...as are guys like me who buy 'em. wink laugh
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 06/04/16 02:29 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Whereas, I don't have time to figure out how to dial in a keyboardy sound with other gear, so the EHX keyboard pedals are a godsend to me.

As long as people don't get too snooty about things, and realize there are many paths, things are good. Pedals are just tools.









...as are guys like me who buy 'em. wink laugh


@Dannyalcatraz - I'm with you on the first part ("Pedals are just tools . . ."), less sure about the second?

As much as I love my Guitar Synths, I also love the idea of being able to get those Mellotron sounds out of my favorite SG, without mounting a plastic blister on its face. I'll be heading up to my FLMS to check out the Mel9 this coming week. I may even have a video to share . . .
Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 06/04/16 04:38 PM
I upgraded to the MDV-3 quite recently myself. I preferred the looks of my previous wah-pedal model (ivory) as blue is about the only colour I don't like, but I prefer the warmth and subtlety of the new version.

It took a lot of back and forth comparisons, and I wrote them up in detail in my eBay ad but can't remember them now. I'm the kind of person who decides and moves on; I don't believe in regrets or re-do's.

Off the top of my head though, I think the Fulltone MDV-3 has less range than the previous models. For me, that's a good thing, as it means more subtle expression and no fear of going into the extremes that I personally never like anyway.

Also, I think the chorus setting on the new version is sweeter and more distinct. The combinations of chorus/vibrato and vintage/modern can be "too much" at times, combined with the other controls, but I find that different guitars "take" better to different settings, so I'm writing those down for when I do recordings.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/04/16 07:42 PM
Sometimes, as you say, a more limited device is actually more suitable for the task. More focused.

After all, the Swiss make multitasking army knives, but you never hear about zweihanders with spoons, files, scissor, awls, and bottle openers...
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/05/16 12:18 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Sometimes, as you say, a more limited device is actually more suitable for the task. More focused.

After all, the Swiss make multitasking army knives, but you never hear about zweihanders with spoons, files, scissor, awls, and bottle openers...


grin thu
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 06/13/16 12:03 PM
Radial's got a new DI box/amp simulator; they make great equipment, so this should be worth at least a look: JDX
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/13/16 12:35 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Radial's got a new DI box/amp simulator; they make great equipment, so this should be worth at least a look: JDX


Niiiiiice.... cool

Radial does make great stuff; I love my Radial Tonebone Plexitube tube/SS hybrid dual-channel Marshallesque distortion pedal. For me, it works best for feeding a digital modeler/multi-effects unit going direct to headphones, PA/monitors, or recording device. This new JDX Direct-Drive™ Amp Sim/DI would probably be GREAT in place of the dm/mfx, followed by my El Capistan and Flint, etc....
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 06/16/16 02:07 PM
This pedal (from a company I've never heard of before today) came out about a year ago, but it just crossed my path, so better late than never. Named after the late '60s/early '70s band of the same name, the Silver Apple can get as freaky as they could.

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 06/22/16 02:21 PM
A pair of Converse...with built-in wah:

http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/...mpaign=converse
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 06/22/16 04:09 PM
It IS April 1st, right?
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/27/16 01:58 AM
Given the £'s post-Brexit vote decline, I've been looking at gear from the UK with the vulture-like enthusiasm. One company I revisited was Rainger. I believe I posted their Air Traffic Controller earlier in the thread. Here's another couple of their unusual devices:




Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/28/16 12:06 AM
Here is ARC Effects' Shepherd- their updated version of the classic Violet Ram's Head fuzz.

http://arc-effects.com/shepherd/
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/28/16 05:34 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Here is ARC Effects' Shepherd- their updated version of the classic Violet Ram's Head fuzz.



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Niiiiice. cool

Judging by their proffered videos, I kinda like their Crimson King pedal, too... cool


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But, I digress... wink

Now, if you like that ARC Shepherd, you'd like the V1 variant of the VFE Fiery Red Horse, which has a LOT of gain and output-volume on-tap, a Mid knob, and your choice of three different types of diodes, among many other extra features- and can probably be found for less, if you can find one. It's also smaller, a very compact pedal with a LOT of usable "bells and whistles"!

I'm sure that similar, perhaps identical sounds can be dialed-in with the V2 version of the Fiery Red Horse, and still for less. This version has a Bandaxall Treble and Bass EQ circuit, which boosts mids as the treble and Bass are dialed back, and cuts mids the more Treble and Bass are boosted. It also features a circuit and knob that dials compression in or out.

Not to put down or marginalize the ARC Effects Shepherd- not at all! That sure sounds like an excellent Muff-stylee, and I'm sure that I would enjoy one. I'm just kicking the ball around re: other vintage Big Muff inspired fuzztortion pedals with added midrange controls, and some such pedals that I've had experience with.

O0O0O0O0H, (also judging by their posted video demo) I'm also digging the ARC Gamut, their take on the venerable aulde treble booster, and the way it (A) sounds like Led Zeppelin in a box, and (B) cleans up pretty nicely with the twist of the guitar's volume-knobs...

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Now, Rangemaster/treble booster type pedals are usually pretty simple, and as such can make a great, easy introduction to DIY pedal-building. It may or may not be worth it to you to pay a fair premium for this, the ARC Gamut, which seems to be a high quality, quiet, gainy, versatile, good toned take on a treble booster stylee with added features and conveniences. "YMMV".
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/28/16 06:21 AM
Caev, I'm an avowed fuzz addict. If I looked, I probably have more fuzzes than any other kind of pedal. I bet the bulk of the entries on my G.A.S. list are some kind of fuzz. And a lot of fuzzes I own or on my list are updates of classic fuzzes.

I have the ARC Crimson. grin

I have a Russian Big Muff Pi, and yet I plan on getting the ARC Big Green, the Wren & Cuff Big Font, and the recently discovered McCaffery Green Vodka.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/28/16 06:44 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Caev, I'm an avowed fuzz addict. If I looked, I probably have more fuzzes than any other kind of pedal. I bet the bulk of the entries on my G.A.S. list are some kind of fuzz. And a lot of fuzzes I own or on my list are updates of classic fuzzes.

I have the ARC Crimson. grin

I have a Russian Big Muff Pi, and yet I plan on getting the ARC Big Green, the Wren & Cuff Big Font, and the recently discovered McCaffery Green Vodka.


My toez izz on the firzt few stepz o' that path, az well. I particularly like various octave-fuzzes, and I've found that they and 'regular' fuzzes can really work well with my whole fingerstyle "touch" and "play the amp (and pedals)"/guitar-volume-knob dynamic approach.

Any suggestions for fuzzes/octave-fuzzes that (A) "clean up" well, and (B) will still play nice with another pedal between them and the guitar, such as, say, a VFE Bumblebee swell/optical-compressor pedal... ? I rrreeeaallly love the sound of fuzz/overdrive/distortion ramping-up from cleaner to meaner to screamer along the sweep of a volume-swell... crazy love

I think that you'd have a lot of fun with the V1 and V2 VFE Fiery Red Horses. And LOADS of fun and inspiration with a Foxrox Octron or Octron 2! THAT is a pedal that YOU really should have!! Put a volume-pedal after it, and echo downstream- try a single repeat, high mix to nearly match the volume level of the 'normal' signal, maybe arund 200ms or so delay-time... cool
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/28/16 01:45 PM
These are the first to spring to mind.

The Magnetic Effects White Atom and their (discontinued) Buzzkill might be to your liking.



As might the excellent Thorpy Muffroom Cloud (being re-released as the Fallout Cloud after a C&D letter from EHX).


(The Thorpy is in my G.A.S. list. I own the other two.)
Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 06/30/16 03:29 AM
My new Suhr Jack Rabbit tremolo arrived today, and it is warm, transparent, vibey, subtle, yet authentic sounding. Green like the Diamond pedal that it is probably most inspired by, it wasn't originally my first choice as I didn't know about it given that it's pretty new. But I ultimately decided the Fulltone was a bit too coloured for my tastes, and felt the Suhr was likely an improvement on what Diamond offers.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/30/16 10:19 AM
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
My new Suhr Jack Rabbit tremolo arrived today, and it is warm, transparent, vibey, subtle, yet authentic sounding. Green like the Diamond pedal that it is probably most inspired by, it wasn't originally my first choice as I didn't know about it given that it's pretty new. But I ultimately decided the Fulltone was a bit too coloured for my tastes, and felt the Suhr was likely an improvement on what Diamond offers.


Niiiiiiiiiice... ! cool

Do you place it in front of your amp's input, or in your amp's effects-loop?

Do you have the option of feeding the Jack Rabbit Tremolo with reverb, from your amp or a pedal? How 'bout feeding echoes into it?

(Reverb > Tremolo is THE CLASSIC sound, and I've come to love LOVE love Echo > Reverb > Tremolo, with the echo-repeats and tremolo-rate timed to pulse together on various beats, or rub against each other... !! crazy )

Tell us more about the Jack Rabbit's Tap-Tempo and Strum-Tempo features, as well...
Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 06/30/16 05:40 PM
Well, last night I was only trying it on my brand-new Bassman LTD '59 reissue, which has no effects loop, so there you go. :-)

I didn't try the tap-tempo or strum-tempo features yet. I printed the manual from the web but was too lazy to search for it in my stack. Mostly it was late at night and I couldn't disturb neighbours or housemates so it was just a quick test session.

Good hints on feeding amp reverb to the tremolo pedal. I'm also thinking about experimenting with it in conjunction with delay, to get that "How Soon Is Now?" sound of Johnny Marr, even though that isn't how he achieved it.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 07/13/16 02:37 AM
Don't remember if this one got posted yet- the Electro Faustus Phototheremin:



Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 07/13/16 02:48 AM
Ordered the Xotic reissue of Robotalk, which arrived today. Too late at night to try it out, unfortunately. This is an envelope filter plus arpeggiator, but from what I can tell is a pure analog pedal (I saw nothing to the contrary). Demos are great.

I know the original pedal isn't new, but I think this R.I. model is from 2015-2016.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 07/13/16 02:48 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Don't remember if this one got posted yet- the Electro Faustus Phototheremin:





Witchcraft! Deviltry! Farts! Ducks with kazoos!

Hmmmmmmm, their EF103 GUITAR DISRUPTOR Overdrive/Fuzz/Oscillator is a bit interesting... It could be enjoyable to try to put it to a lot of oscillating use while avoiding sounding like an old video-game console...



Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
Ordered the Xotic reissue of Robotalk, which arrived today. Too late at night to try it out, unfortunately. This is an envelope filter plus arpeggiator, but from what I can tell is a pure analog pedal (I saw nothing to the contrary). Demos are great.

I know the original pedal isn't new, but I think this R.I. model is from 2015-2016.


This must be it, or the original that has been reissued?

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 07/13/16 03:07 PM
The Disruptor is so F-ed up! I love it! laugh
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 07/13/16 04:22 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
The Disruptor is so F-ed up! I love it! laugh


Do you have one?
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 07/13/16 04:51 PM
Just added to the G.A.S. list.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 07/16/16 01:06 AM
Nope that's the old model. The new one has clean and tidy silk screening compared to that model of Robotalk.

Just tried it with my Tele on the Bassmaster, and it is definitely the warmest, most transparent, and articulate envelope filter I have ever tried on guitar. A very different effect than wah or auto-wah, so not at all redundant.

The arpeggio mode is a bit weird, but I didn't put much time into it yet as I am backlogged on a lot of things. Mostly it seems hard to control the feedback if you play any low notes, but I didn't play enough with the frequency dial to see whether it can essentially be dialed out so that the full guitar is usable in that mode.

Overall though, I get the impression the arpeggio mode is just a variation on delay, or particularly tap tempo delay.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 07/16/16 05:54 AM
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
Nope that's the old model. The new one has clean and tidy silk screening compared to that model of Robotalk.

Just tried it with my Tele on the Bassmaster, and it is definitely the warmest, most transparent, and articulate envelope filter I have ever tried on guitar. A very different effect than wah or auto-wah, so not at all redundant.

The arpeggio mode is a bit weird, but I didn't put much time into it yet as I am backlogged on a lot of things. Mostly it seems hard to control the feedback if you play any low notes, but I didn't play enough with the frequency dial to see whether it can essentially be dialed out so that the full guitar is usable in that mode.

Overall though, I get the impression the arpeggio mode is just a variation on delay, or particularly tap tempo delay.


Aaaah, this must be it, then...

Posted By: Mark Schmieder Re: cool new effects - 07/16/16 09:17 PM
Yep. I much prefer the new look. The sound seems a bit better too... even if I shut my eyes to remove the visual bias. But as they say, they improved the filter tone.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 07/16/16 10:34 PM
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
Yep. I much prefer the new look. The sound seems a bit better too... even if I shut my eyes to remove the visual bias. But as they say, they improved the filter tone.


I know what you mean about looks having a lot of appeal like that! Two pedals that I really want were recently done in a limited run with custom art that just killed in comparison to their previous incarnations, and now I really want them with THOSE paint-jobs. They've all been sold off, but fortunately, I might be able to score one or both as eleventh-hour blems. We'll see.

As for that Xotic Robotalk, It sounds very good, very promising, in that video demo, and others; I can tell it's an excellent pedal. But personally, though, for an envelope filter type pedal, the Pigtronix EP2 Envelope Phaser is just the ticket for "my" sound, sounds that I want under my fingers and toes, so's to speak... I'm sure that you're satisfied and that the Robotalk is what YOU want for YOUR sound. Win-Win for both of us.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 07/31/16 12:04 PM
Not really a fan of the whole desktop effects thing (unless there are jacks for footswitch control), but this one does an awful lot of things.

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 08/01/16 02:20 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Not really a fan of the whole desktop effects thing (unless there are jacks for footswitch control), but this one does an awful lot of things.



Les Paul + Bumblebee + Octron + overdriven tube-amp + Cimmerian Caves in amp's effects-loop would sound so John Paul Jones' synth that Eddie Kramer and Jimmy Page would materialize...
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 08/02/16 03:31 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Well, folks, I got an email from the folks who built the Schumann PLL clone, and they're offering me the pedal for essentially the cost of the components. Talk about an offer you can't refuse . . .


Sooo...did you get this yet? I don't recall hearing the end of the story.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 08/03/16 01:45 AM
Many pages ago, I posted vids of 2 Lastgasp pedals. Here are 2 more:


Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 08/03/16 10:07 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz


Wow, I really like that one, the Octavella. I think that I'd get on very well with that and have a lot of creative fun... cool

I'll check out that other one later...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 08/04/16 09:41 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Well, folks, I got an email from the folks who built the Schumann PLL clone, and they're offering me the pedal for essentially the cost of the components. Talk about an offer you can't refuse . . .


Sooo...did you get this yet? I don't recall hearing the end of the story.


Lots of things got in the way, recently. Nothing too critical, here at home, but just getting life back on track, more or less. I'll check back with the maker this week, see what's up with the box. At one point, he had two slightly different models to A/B.

Follow-up later . . .
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 08/09/16 11:07 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz


...and the Octavella and the Misty Cave do make a good pair... crazy cool
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 08/10/16 01:57 AM
In-freaking-deed!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 08/10/16 09:19 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
In-freaking-deed!


It's not unlikely that I might wind up getting an Octavella sometime down the road...
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 08/10/16 11:53 AM
Ditto!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 08/13/16 01:53 PM
Just for fun, check out Michael Molenda's review of the Mel9 pedal, in the Oct. 2016 issue of GP.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 08/13/16 02:07 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Just for fun, check out Michael Molenda's review of the Mel9 pedal, in the Oct. 2016 issue of GP.


I will! I believe that I have that issue at home- I picked it up (I really need to renew my subscription), and haven't even looked at it yet...

EDIT: It's the September 2016 issue that I picked up; I haven't seen the October 2016 issue yet- what/who is on the cover?
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 08/14/16 10:41 AM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Just for fun, check out Michael Molenda's review of the Mel9 pedal, in the Oct. 2016 issue of GP.


I will! I believe that I have that issue at home- I picked it up (I really need to renew my subscription), and haven't even looked at it yet...

EDIT: It's the September 2016 issue that I picked up; I haven't seen the October 2016 issue yet- what/who is on the cover?


Sorry Caevan, long day yesterday. Paul Gilbert is on the cover. Mine just came in the mail, the other day.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 08/14/16 01:29 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Just for fun, check out Michael Molenda's review of the Mel9 pedal, in the Oct. 2016 issue of GP.


I will! I believe that I have that issue at home- I picked it up (I really need to renew my subscription), and haven't even looked at it yet...

EDIT: It's the September 2016 issue that I picked up; I haven't seen the October 2016 issue yet- what/who is on the cover?


Sorry Caevan, long day yesterday. Paul Gilbert is on the cover. Mine just came in the mail, the other day.


No need to say "sorry"! Not at all.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 08/16/16 12:57 PM
Too much going on here to post a single video. I started by looking at their Fernweh...

http://ezhiandaka.ru
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 08/26/16 02:36 AM
Unusualness abounding!

http://www.copilotfx.com/arrowairwaves.html

http://www.copilotfx.com/antenna2.html

http://www.copilotfx.com/molecule.html
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 08/26/16 05:58 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Unusualness abounding!


grin That phrase alone was worth logging on! Thanks for the smile that brought to my face.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 08/27/16 11:32 AM


I second Caevan's enthusiasm for that phrasing!

I have to say, I liked the idea of these effects, but what they make me think of is Synth Modules, adapted for Guitar? Crap, I may wind up going Modular AND diving back into pedals, all in one fell swoop . . .
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 08/27/16 01:02 PM
I'm so sorry!








No I'm not! laugh
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 08/27/16 11:01 PM
If you've got the money Winston, we've got the time...go for it! drool
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 08/28/16 10:32 AM
Originally Posted By: Larryz
If you've got the money Winston, we've got the time...go for it! drool


Sadly, I don't have the money right now, which is probably a good thing. I am, however, in favor of adapting Synth Modules for Guitarists. A whole realm of crazy sounds you can't touch with 'normal' pedal effects. Part of why I got into Synthesis, to begin with.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 08/28/16 02:11 PM
^I have never played a synth guitar rig or even a Line6 modeling guitar. I have played a keyboard using piano, strings, organs, horns, and other space age analog and digital sounds. I didn't get into sampling but I may get around to it some day LOL! The sounds the synths can create are beautiful, even with me trying to play them LOL! We have a costly hobby no matter which way you go. It just depends on whichever path interests each of us at the time. I always say have fun with it! cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 09/10/16 12:00 PM
3 in one video!

Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 09/10/16 12:06 PM
To quote Sgt. Schultz - "I see nothing!"

Probably my machine doesn't have the latest Flash player, or something?
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 09/10/16 12:37 PM
too bad, they're pretty cool...anyway, let's see if everybody can watch this one:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 09/10/16 12:52 PM
OMG. THAT is an instant classic in industrial design.

Pretty good fuzz, too!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 09/10/16 12:57 PM
The EQ Cirquitos are cool, too. Reminds me of other pedal brands like Chase Bliss with their insanity.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 09/14/16 08:30 PM
This. Is. So. Messed. Up.

grin

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 09/14/16 11:46 PM
Screwy, dude!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 09/20/16 03:28 AM
Spaceman Effects bring us a secret fuzz!

Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 09/23/16 03:29 PM
Got have one of these. The demo sold me. This was right up there with Gear Man Dude's Whammy demo.








Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 09/24/16 03:24 AM
Ummmm...okaaaaaay...

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 09/24/16 02:58 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Just for fun, check out Michael Molenda's review of the Mel9 pedal, in the Oct. 2016 issue of GP.


OK, I finally got it! Nice... grin cool
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 09/25/16 12:46 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Any fans of univibery?


I posted the Run Rabbit Run a while back...and I didn't find this other one mentioned. If I already posted it, apologies.

Ladies & Gents, the Keeley Dark Side:
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 09/25/16 03:32 AM
Another oddity from CopilotFX, the Gyroscope.


Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 09/25/16 03:38 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Ladies & Gents, the Keeley Dark Side:


Wow, that's an awesome pedal! cool Besides the obvious usefulness for a Pink Floyd cover/tribute player, I'd think that n=many players could get some really good use out of that. I'd love one, myself!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 10/14/16 08:16 AM
If Knobs makes a 7-minute demo for an effects pedal, you know it does a lot!

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 10/16/16 03:29 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
If Knobs makes a 7-minute demo for an effects pedal, you know it does a lot!



Sounds like an excellent alternative for those who'd dig those exceedingly rare vintage Ludwig Phase II "Synthesizer" monstrosities... I like some of the somewhat ring-modulator sounds...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 10/17/16 01:07 PM
Originally Posted By: CEB
Got have one of these. The demo sold me. This was right up there with Gear Man Dude's Whammy demo.






CEB, I've got one, used it on my most recent album project. It's tricky, much like a Mono Synth Pedal. When I use it, I tie a scarf around the top of the Guitar neck, between the nut and the 1st fret, to act as a string damper. Unless you're using one of the "Ohh, Ahh, Lahh" sounds, there's no way to get it to repeat what you just played, or to create semi-coherent phrases, without the iPhone app, which is only available in Japan.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/17/16 01:31 PM
You need to write them a letter about missed opportunities!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 10/17/16 02:42 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
You need to write them a letter about missed opportunities!


Seems to be a matter of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing (apologies to St. Paul). The pedal only got over here because a few folks heard about it and demanded it. When the gear guy at my FLMS told his Korg US rep about it, the rep thought it was a prank, until my gear guy showed the rep a video from Japan?!?!? The iPhone app still isn't available over here. There's supposed to be some convoluted way to create an iTunes Japan account, but IDK?
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 10/21/16 12:35 PM
just gorgeous!

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 10/21/16 12:47 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
just gorgeous!



I think I'd like that; and I'd also like feeding it through my tremolo pedal, reverb > tremolo, too...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 10/21/16 12:48 PM
Very cool! I've been impressed with Earthquaker's products, just trying to decide which thing to afford first.

FWIW, you can get very close to those sounds with the Particle Verb effect in the Line 6 M5/9/13. It's a Pitch-shifted reverb that deconstructs whatever you send it, and you can control all the parameters via Expression Pedal.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 10/22/16 04:25 PM
New Strymon baybeh on the way: http://www.strymon.net/products/riverside/
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 10/23/16 02:30 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
New Strymon baybeh on the way: http://www.strymon.net/products/riverside/


I love Strymon! And that sounds pretty cool!
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 10/24/16 11:56 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: CEB
Got have one of these. The demo sold me. This was right up there with Gear Man Dude's Whammy demo.






CEB, I've got one, used it on my most recent album project. It's tricky, much like a Mono Synth Pedal. When I use it, I tie a scarf around the top of the Guitar neck, between the nut and the 1st fret, to act as a string damper. Unless you're using one of the "Ohh, Ahh, Lahh" sounds, there's no way to get it to repeat what you just played, or to create semi-coherent phrases, without the iPhone app, which is only available in Japan.


I couldn't really use the pedal on my gigs but I would think if you did original music you could put it to use. I thought it sounded neat.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 10/24/16 02:45 PM
CEB, here's a link, so you can hear how I used it.

Untouched By Human Hands - The Winston Psmith Project
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 10/24/16 03:19 PM
Thanks. That was really cool.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/25/16 08:51 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
CEB, here's a link, so you can hear how I used it.

Untouched By Human Hands - The Winston Psmith Project


Nice work, WPS!

It is surprisingly subtle in the mix.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 10/26/16 05:08 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
CEB, here's a link, so you can hear how I used it.

Untouched By Human Hands - The Winston Psmith Project


Nice work, WPS!

It is surprisingly subtle in the mix.


You'd laugh if you'd seen the signal chain I assembled to get that particular sound. First thing, I tied a scarf around the guitar neck at the first fret, to act as a string damper; open strings are not your friends with this box. Next, I ran it into a simple Splitter box, to send the signal out to two different MFX processors.

(If you're using either Random 1 or 2, the MIKU Stomp won't repeat the same words/syllables you just played, as it's randomizing selections from among hundreds of mono-syllabic Japanese words. You can use one of the 'Ohh', 'Ahh', 'Lahh'-type sounds for consistency, but they're much less interesting. To get all three 'voices' to sing the same thing at the same time, I had to split the signal into multiple voices all 'singing' in chorus.)

One processor was set up for a Stereo De-tune, +/- a few Cents either way, to fill out the sound, the other for a Mono Echo, with an Attack Delay added, to give it a little depth, while taking out some of the initial attack on the notes. After that, I had both Processors going into a small sub-mixer, where I could work out the balance, then out to my digital recorder. Counter-intuitive as it may seem, all that processing helped to 'smooth out' the sound, and make it somewhat less artificial?!?!? Hey, it's what I do . . .
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 10/26/16 06:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
CEB, here's a link, so you can hear how I used it.

Untouched By Human Hands - The Winston Psmith Project


Nice work, WPS!

It is surprisingly subtle in the mix.


You'd laugh if you'd seen the signal chain I assembled to get that particular sound. First thing, I tied a scarf around the guitar neck at the first fret, to act as a string damper; open strings are not your friends with this box. Next, I ran it into a simple Splitter box, to send the signal out to two different MFX processors.

(If you're using either Random 1 or 2, the MIKU Stomp won't repeat the same words/syllables you just played, as it's randomizing selections from among hundreds of mono-syllabic Japanese words. You can use one of the 'Ohh', 'Ahh', 'Lahh'-type sounds for consistency, but they're much less interesting. To get all three 'voices' to sing the same thing at the same time, I had to split the signal into multiple voices all 'singing' in chorus.)

One processor was set up for a Stereo De-tune, +/- a few Cents either way, to fill out the sound, the other for a Mono Echo, with an Attack Delay added, to give it a little depth, while taking out some of the initial attack on the notes. After that, I had both Processors going into a small sub-mixer, where I could work out the balance, then out to my digital recorder. Counter-intuitive as it may seem, all that processing helped to 'smooth out' the sound, and make it somewhat less artificial?!?!? Hey, it's what I do . . .


cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 10/27/16 12:11 PM
Started as a kickstarter, now it here:



more info here: http://audionewsroom.net/2016/10/mod-duo...campaign=buffer
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 10/28/16 08:46 PM
Talking about this fuzz box at the Tele forum. You may have already discussed it. I think it sounds nasty but the vid is funny.

Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 10/31/16 11:32 AM
New Version of the Pinnacle Deluxe.

Cool. A previous version is my high gain pedal. My main rock guitar has a Duncan Custom 5 with a coil split in the bridge and a Duncan P90 in the neck. My issue is the ideal clean pickup height creates a bunch sag with the humbucker when the pedal is active. It sags really badly and I needed to really lower the bridge pickup.

The real question is do I spend $240 just for the sag switch?

Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 10/31/16 11:42 AM
A version of the Faux Tape echo..... They are good delays. So is the Strymon so are Eventides and a bunch of other things. I doubt I buy this. Heck I'm still using my $50 Ibanez DE7 on my guitar board. I might pick up a used Boss with tap tempo one of these days.

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 11/01/16 11:14 AM
^ love that delay. smile

Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Started as a kickstarter, now it here:



more info here: http://audionewsroom.net/2016/10/mod-duo...campaign=buffer


In case anyone's as curious about the guitar in this video as me, I asked the guy at MOD what it was; he says Giannini made it, and the model is an AE-08s.
Posted By: zeronyne Re: cool new effects - 11/01/16 12:36 PM
I'm sorry if this has been answered in this megathread, but has anyone tried the 9 series from EHX? The videos of the B9, C9, and M9 are incredible, but I'm wondering if there are some real life experiences anyone could share.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 11/01/16 01:00 PM
I have a couple, but I believe Winston has the set.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 11/01/16 01:16 PM
I don't have any of them as I like guitars that sound like guitars LOL! But I remember the demos and discussions posted on this thread for the B9 C9 and M9 and they sure looked great! Hopefully Winston and Danny will tell us more on how they like them? cool
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 11/01/16 01:44 PM
Originally Posted By: zeronyne
I'm sorry if this has been answered in this megathread, but has anyone tried the 9 series from EHX? The videos of the B9, C9, and M9 are incredible, but I'm wondering if there are some real life experiences anyone could share.


They're a LOT of fun! I have the B9. I have tried most of them, and would love to have them all.

Running the B9 through my Boss RT-20 Leslie-sim pedal or my Strymon Flint Tremolo/Reverb makes it sound much more convincing than the B9's on-board modulation effects. But the B9's modulation effects are alright and certainly fun.

And while your mileage may vary, the B9 sounds too bright through my guitar-amp on settings that sound 'right' for my normal guitar (a Les Paul).
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 11/01/16 01:45 PM
Originally Posted By: zeronyne
I'm sorry if this has been answered in this megathread, but has anyone tried the 9 series from EHX? The videos of the B9, C9, and M9 are incredible, but I'm wondering if there are some real life experiences anyone could share.


I have a B9. The tracking is very impressive. All the artifacts I used to get with any number of analog octave dividers or digital harmonizers are just gone. I'm not doing any Jimmie Smith-esque Hammond riffing, just making pads into a looper, but it does it very well. Only a few of the 9 presets seem worthwhile to me, but those that are, are very worthwhile. Thumbs up so far.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 11/01/16 01:58 PM
Originally Posted By: zeronyne
I'm sorry if this has been answered in this megathread, but has anyone tried the 9 series from EHX? The videos of the B9, C9, and M9 are incredible, but I'm wondering if there are some real life experiences anyone could share.


I have the Mel9, and like it very much. I've used it in some of my recordings already, although it might not stand out in the mix. I never picked up on the other three, as my mass of Synths cover all the Organ/Piano/EP sounds I might ever need.

The tracking is quite good, although I like dialing back the Attack knob, so the sound 'swells' when you play a chord. There's a built-in Vibrato effect on most of the sounds, which you can't dial out, although a detailed review in Electronic Musician said that part of what we're hearing is related to the sample looping? In either case, it's there.

Favorite sounds are Orchestra, Strings, Clarinet & Brass. I can get much more interesting Choir sounds out of my Synths, and IMHO, the Saxophone sound is just awful.

I mentioned this in a previous post regarding the Mel9, but bear in mind that the original Mellotron had a distinctive, slightly grainy tone, when playing back the tape loops that provided the sound banks; I suspect part of that sound was the playback mechanism itself. The Mel9 reproduces that tone, very well. Listen to the opening of Genesis' Watcher Of The Skies, or the opening of King Crimson's Court Of The Crimson King, for some good examples. EHX included both of those tunes in their demo video, and the results are pretty convincing. If you've ever wanted the sounds of the Mellotron, it's well worth the $200+/-.
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 11/01/16 03:02 PM
A friend is using a B9 to add an additional voice in some of the their material. He and his twin brother have a kickass Rockabilly 3 piece called Iron Horse. The first time I heard it I asked Aaron if he was running tracks and told I thought I was hearing Hammond parts. He showed me his pedal board. He routed the B9 to a separate amp. He used a combo guitar amp for the B9. It sounds good through a guitar amp. Hammond emulations don't need high fidelity. But it worked better going through a separate amp with separate volume and EQ control.

Some of you may have seen Iron Horse on TV. Great trio if you like Rockabilly.





Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 11/04/16 02:53 AM




Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 11/04/16 05:05 AM
Originally Posted By: CEB
A friend is using a B9 to add an additional voice in some of the their material. He and his twin brother have a kickass Rockabilly 3 piece called Iron Horse. The first time I heard it I asked Aaron if he was running tracks and told I thought I was hearing Hammond parts. He showed me his pedal board. He routed the B9 to a separate amp. He used a combo guitar amp for the B9. It sounds good through a guitar amp. Hammond emulations don't need high fidelity. But it worked better going through a separate amp with separate volume and EQ control.

Some of you may have seen Iron Horse on TV. Great trio if you like Rockabilly.







Been thinking about doing EXACLY that kind of thing. Good to hear how well it works!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 11/04/16 08:11 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz



totally sold on this for the patchbay alone!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 11/19/16 01:52 PM
Strymon has a new power supply; North American customers can get one of a limited run now at Strymon's online store while they last. Full production models coming soon to everywhere.

Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 11/19/16 01:57 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Strymon has a new power supply; North American customers can get one of a limited run now at Strymon's online store while they last. Full production models coming soon to everywhere.





Love the major power output, but will it mount underneath my Pedaltrain boards, like the Voodoo Lab PP2+ does?

Ah, just checked the site, and they say they'll have a mounting bracket available soon. Excellent . . .
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 11/19/16 02:14 PM
I like the expandable/modular aspect of the Zuma and Ojai; nice... cool

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Love the major power output, but will it mount underneath my Pedaltrain boards, like the Voodoo Lab PP2+ does?

Ah, just checked the site, and they say they'll have a mounting bracket available soon. Excellent . . .


Yhup:

Originally Posted By: Strymon
...we've designed a Pedaltrain mounting bracket that should be available within the next few weeks. It will work with the newer Pedaltrains. We'll announce when it's ready via our email newsletter: http://strymon.net/signup .

Also, since Zuma is lightweight, Dual Lock can be a great way to mount to the bottom of your board. We have a few mounted that way here without any concerns.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 11/19/16 06:07 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I like the expandable/modular aspect of the Zuma and Ojai; nice... cool

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Love the major power output, but will it mount underneath my Pedaltrain boards, like the Voodoo Lab PP2+ does?

Ah, just checked the site, and they say they'll have a mounting bracket available soon. Excellent . . .


Yhup:

Originally Posted By: Strymon
...we've designed a Pedaltrain mounting bracket that should be available within the next few weeks. It will work with the newer Pedaltrains. We'll announce when it's ready via our email newsletter: http://strymon.net/signup .

Also, since Zuma is lightweight, Dual Lock can be a great way to mount to the bottom of your board. We have a few mounted that way here without any concerns.


@Caevan - I'll wait and see how much it is, but that 500mA output is very impressive. Now, if only it had an AC out for old Whammy pedals, and a few other oddballs, like my Digitech Space Station.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 11/19/16 06:26 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Caevan - I'll wait and see how much it is, but that 500mA output is very impressive.


Note that the 12vDC output is good for 375ma, and the 18vDC is good for 250ma.

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Now, if only it had an AC out for old Whammy pedals, and a few other oddballs, like my Digitech Space Station.


I know exactly what you mean regarding various voltages both DC and AC...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 11/25/16 05:12 PM
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/03/16 06:08 AM
I have been a fan of the Visual Sound H2O Chorus/Echo V2 since I bought it. A little while ago, Visual Sound renamed themselves TrueTone, and started releasing new versions of some of their pedals. Among them was the H2O V3. It has improved on the V2 in many ways, and included a bunch of nifty new features...so I bought one.


Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/03/16 11:10 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I have been a fan of the Visual Sound H2O Chorus/Echo V2 since I bought it. A little while ago, Visual Sound renamed themselves TrueTone, and started releasing new versions of some of their pedals. Among them was the H2O V3. It has improved on the V2 in many ways, and included a bunch of nifty new features...so I bought one.


Niiiiiice. cool Looks- sounds- good and impressively versatile, and coming from someone who often detests chorus effects, that should say somethin'...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 12/03/16 12:11 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I have been a fan of the Visual Sound H2O Chorus/Echo V2 since I bought it. A little while ago, Visual Sound renamed themselves TrueTone, and started releasing new versions of some of their pedals. Among them was the H2O V3. It has improved on the V2 in many ways, and included a bunch of nifty new features...so I bought one.


Niiiiiice. cool Looks- sounds- good and impressively versatile, and coming from someone who often detests chorus effects, that should say somethin'...


I generally prefer Chorus effects that create that "pitch-bending" sound, like the H2O, and this one has it. Just wish the Delay Time was longer? 500ms just doesn't do it for me.

On a separate note, Bob Weil is one of the good guys in the industry. I bought one of the first 1 Spots, back when they had the skinny power cord and only 500mA output; it failed on me, and I returned it to my FLMS. For some reason, I felt compelled to write to Bob Weil about it, maybe because he was just starting out, and I really liked the idea behind the product. He sent me a new one, free of charge, just for my troubles. I now have a drawer packed with 1 Spots, and adapter cables for them, because I could see that the man stood behind his product. Respect . . .
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/03/16 12:23 PM
Big fan of the company's products, for sure. Like you, I have s verbal One Spots. I've also got a couple of Visual Sound pedals, and plan on ga thing their TrueTone descendants. PLUS at least one of his power supplies.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 12/03/16 03:04 PM
+1 1 Spots are a great product at a very reasonable price! cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/03/16 05:01 PM
Wampler has an amp. It's basically a clean channel that's meant to be a solid, clear sonic "platform" for their effects; I'm sure other manufacturers' pedals would shine here as well:

Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 12/03/16 05:06 PM
Glad to see someone making an amp which isn't just about distortion. But pretty far out of my tax bracket.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/03/16 05:07 PM
^ mine too, lol

an actual review can be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbIaNqqvWvM
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/03/16 09:34 PM


lolwtf
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/04/16 04:17 AM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Glad to see someone making an amp which isn't just about distortion.


Well, it isn't- and it is. Not distortion generated on its own, but from whatever pedals one puts in front of it.
Posted By: picker Re: cool new effects - 12/08/16 09:17 AM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Glad to see someone making an amp which isn't just about distortion. But pretty far out of my tax bracket.


Most of the stuff Wampler makes is out of my tax bracket.
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 12/08/16 02:40 PM
Originally Posted By: picker
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Glad to see someone making an amp which isn't just about distortion. But pretty far out of my tax bracket.


Most of the stuff Wampler makes is out of my tax bracket.


The definition of boutique.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/08/16 08:06 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo


lolwtf


Dass nutz!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/16/16 02:03 AM
Seems like Mr. Black has produced the Bizarro World cousin of Earthquaker Devices Rainbow Machine and Arpanoid.

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/16/16 01:53 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Seems like Mr. Black has produced the Bizarro World cousin of Earthquaker Devices Rainbow Machine and Arpanoid.



Sounds pretty!
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 12/16/16 04:12 PM
I've programmed several patches in my old Yamaha SPX900 to do that, or the up & down version of it. It's just a pitch shifter in the feedback loop of a delay, so, pretty easy to do. But kinda only good for one use in a whole gig, cause, yeah, it IS sorta cheesy.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 12/17/16 01:05 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
I've programmed several patches in my old Yamaha SPX900 to do that, or the up & down version of it. It's just a pitch shifter in the feedback loop of a delay, so, pretty easy to do. But kinda only good for one use in a whole gig, cause, yeah, it IS sorta cheesy.


This is one of my personal favorite odd FX stunts! I've set up some very similar patches in my various GT-processors, and my old Digitech Studio 5000 (essentially the final version of the DHP-66), and even composed several pieces of Music using them. Any device that has Pitch Shift + Regeneration should do it for you.

@Scott: you can set this up easily within the GT-10, using the Pre-Delay in the Pitch Shifter or Harmonist effects. If you create a two-channel patch, you can have FX-1 and FX-2 each set to Pitch Shift, and have the two stereo channels Pitch Shifting in different directions at the same time.

@Caevan: You can probably set up something like this in your Digitech MFX?

FWIW, just running a Pitch-Shifter pedal or effect into a Delay pedal (or vice-versa, running a Delay pedal into a Pitch-Shifter) will NOT give you this effect, and many Pitch-Shifter/Harmonist pedals won't do it, either. The trick is that each repeat of the Delay line is Pitch-Shifted once again, so you get a cascade of descending, or ascending, intervals, at a fixed time rate. You can even try to sync this to a Drum Machine, Sequencer, or anything that sends MIDI Clock.

My general formula is to set the interval at a 4th or a 5th, either Up or Down, with 125-200ms of Delay Time, and around 90% Regeneration. Shorter Delay Times, and incremental amounts of Pitch-Shifting (Say down into Cents, as opposed to Semi-tones) will give you a cool "Barber-Pole Flanger" effect.

That's a lot of function, for a small pedal footprint. I'm sorely tempted . . .
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/19/16 06:15 PM
Eventide's "upcoming attractions" video:

Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 12/20/16 02:06 PM
The only thing they really showcase in that video is the H9000; everything else, they just blow through. I still have no idea what that pedal is or does, and that's the product I'd be most likely to buy . . .
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/21/16 08:59 PM
isn't that pedal going to be the 1st item from the video to actually hit the market?
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/23/16 09:26 AM
this seems interesting:

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/06/17 08:19 PM
EHX's first reveal of the NAMM season: http://www.ehx.com/products/wailer-wah
Posted By: DocPate Re: cool new effects - 01/06/17 09:34 PM
Interesting article from Boss

https://reverb.com/news/boss-today-keepi...17bda1-58336773
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 01/07/17 03:26 AM
I have had several Boss pedals over the years. They hold up very well and hold their value for resale as well. You can argue over whether or not they get the best sound, but Boss has always made a great product when considering quality and price... cool

ps. MXR is another great old quality standard...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 01/07/17 01:49 PM
+1. While I've moved more into Boss Multi-effects in the last few years, Boss pedals always held up well for me, and delivered consistent sound and build quality. I've been very excited to see the Waza Craft re-issues of the VB-2 Vibrato and the DM-2 Delay. Now, if they would only bring back the SG-2 Slow Gear . . .
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/07/17 03:15 PM
Originally Posted By: DocPate
Interesting article from Boss

https://reverb.com/news/boss-today-keeping-the-worlds-most-iconic-pedals-fresh?utm_campaign=c98117bda1-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_01_06&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=0_5889ed6702-c98117bda1-58336773

Very cool!

Originally Posted By: Larryz
I have had several Boss pedals over the years. They hold up very well and hold their value for resale as well. You can argue over whether or not they get the best sound, but Boss has always made a great product when considering quality and price... cool

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
+1. While I've moved more into Boss Multi-effects in the last few years, Boss pedals always held up well for me, and delivered consistent sound and build quality. I've been very excited to see the Waza Craft re-issues of the VB-2 Vibrato and the DM-2 Delay.

Agreed. I currently have, use, and love two Boss pedals: an RT-20 Leslie/rotary-sim that I bought brand-new, and an RC-20XL Looper that I bought used for $50. I would have to spend a lot of money to get anything appreciably yet only marginally better than the RT-20 Leslie-sim (especially when heard through a full band mix), so it's not going anywhere anytime soon. And for an 'outdated', discontinued and relatively simple looper, that RC20XL is a LOT of fun!

Originally Posted By: Larryz
ps. MXR is another great old quality standard...

I have an original 1970's-vintage MXR M-117 Flanger that sounds FANTASTIC, and I've also got an MXR Blue Box that is a lot of fun.

My VFE Enterprise Phaser is based, in part, on the venerable classic MXR Phase 90, and calls up its sounds with aplomb...

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Now, if they would only bring back the SG-2 Slow Gear . . .

I'll tellya, Winston, that a used VFE Bumblebee will make you smile and forget about the Boss SG-1 Slow Gear and Guyatone SV2 Slow Volume; it might just be the very best envelope-triggered volume-swell ever made! It easily buries those two. They turn up on Reverb, eBay, etc.; get the latest-model, full-on Bumblebee with the optical compressor, not the Bumblebee Jr.; the compressor-circuit makes all the difference.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 01/07/17 06:25 PM
The only MXR pedal I do not recommend to others is the Dyna Comp. They do work great in combination with other pedals like OD's and Distortions, but I do not notice a lot of effect when using them on their own. I do love my MXR Carbon Copy Delay pedal but my Memphis Sun by Keeley makes a nice compromise for the sound I like. I still regret selling my MXR Comp pedal... cry
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 01/07/17 07:28 PM
Originally Posted By: Larryz
The only MXR pedal I do not recommend to others is the Dyna Comp. They do work great in combination with other pedals like OD's and Distortions, but I do not notice a lot of effect when using them on their own. I do love my MXR Carbon Copy Delay pedal but my Memphis Sun by Keeley makes a nice compromise for the sound I like. I still regret selling my MXR Comp pedal... cry


After not using it for maybe a dozen years I took my MXR DynaComp to a rehearsal a few years back. I couldn't believe how much I disliked its quality of compression. I ended up doing that whole gig with no pedals. Maybe it never sounded good & I just didn't realize it, but I've been using a Barber TonePress for compression in recent years & it's light years beyond the MXR in my opinion. Or maybe the MXR caps have gone bad over time.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/07/17 10:47 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: Larryz
The only MXR pedal I do not recommend to others is the Dyna Comp. They do work great in combination with other pedals like OD's and Distortions, but I do not notice a lot of effect when using them on their own. I do love my MXR Carbon Copy Delay pedal but my Memphis Sun by Keeley makes a nice compromise for the sound I like. I still regret selling my MXR Comp pedal... cry

After not using it for maybe a dozen years I took my MXR DynaComp to a rehearsal a few years back. I couldn't believe how much I disliked its quality of compression. I ended up doing that whole gig with no pedals. Maybe it never sounded good & I just didn't realize it, but I've been using a Barber TonePress for compression in recent years & it's light years beyond the MXR in my opinion. Or maybe the MXR caps have gone bad over time.

I've found them to be hissy, breathy/pumpy in a bad way, unpleasant, new or old.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 01/08/17 12:21 PM
+ I think the Dyna Comp knobs are too big...I think they made them that way so you could make adjustments with your feet and not have to bend over. The only problem with this is I would accidently bump the output knob while stomping on other adjacent pedals. Then when I clicked on the Dyna Comp expecting some nice output, I would kill my signal LOL! cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/11/17 10:05 PM
Fractal Audio has a new baby!

Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 01/12/17 01:50 PM
Old effect but for the life of me I never thought about using the Kaos pads with a guitar.

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/12/17 04:37 PM
^ Muse's Matt Bellamy has had them built into his Manson guitars for years.

Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 01/12/17 05:36 PM
Originally Posted By: CEB
Old effect but for the life of me I never thought about using the Kaos pads with a guitar.


The Kaoss pad is a big part of Nels Cline's armamentarium. And the only digital device in his otherwise all analog pedal arsenal.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 01/12/17 07:36 PM
I have one of the original Mini KP's, the little red one. The main difficulty in using it with Guitar is that you really need at least three hands; two to play the Guitar, and one to manipulate the Kaoss Pad. Lacking the 3rd appendage, I like using it to process loops . . .
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/12/17 08:41 PM
I was introduced to the original Kaoss Pad on a TV show on the now-defunct G3 network. I have wanted one ever since...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/17/17 03:29 PM
EHX trots out a new modulating filter pedal:

https://twitter.com/EHX/status/821421839867998208
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/18/17 09:15 AM
If you've ever thought about rolling your own effects, this article (with video) could interest you: http://www.effectsbay.com/2017/01/fx-development-board/

Not a fan of posting crowdfunding projects in threads like these, but this really looks like it could be worth it.
Posted By: Danzilla Re: cool new effects - 01/18/17 12:08 PM
It's like having your own personal Pink Jimi Photon!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/18/17 02:24 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo


lolwtf


I kinda like some of the sounds heard in that vid; that might be fun and even useful here and there...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/24/17 02:49 PM
Eventide showed this off at NAMM: http://www.pedal-of-the-day.com/2017/01/24/eventide-mixinglink-preamp-fx-loop/
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/28/17 09:11 PM
Empress Effects showed up at NAMM with this new beauty, and everybody was like woah.

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 01/29/17 01:13 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Empress Effects showed up at NAMM with this new beauty, and everybody was like woah.



Kinda don't wanna view that vid, 'cause I bet it'll be great and I'll want it and it'll be very expensive...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 01/29/17 11:22 AM
I have maybe half a dozen Delay effects, for trying to do that kind of thing. "Let's see, if I run the Reverse Delay into the Half-Speed Looper . . ."
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/30/17 09:55 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Empress Effects showed up at NAMM with this new beauty, and everybody was like woah.



Kinda don't wanna view that vid, 'cause I bet it'll be great and I'll want it and it'll be very expensive...


you can tap rhythms, not just tempos!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/30/17 10:10 PM
That's different!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/31/17 08:31 PM
Tone Report Weekly went to NAMM, too. Here's six pedals they want you to know about: http://www.magazine.tonereport.com/mag/0854596001485541736/p20
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/01/17 01:02 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Tone Report Weekly went to NAMM, too. Here's six pedals they want you to know about: http://www.magazine.tonereport.com/mag/0854596001485541736/p20


Whoa!! The Catalinbread Belle Epoch Deluxe and Epoch Pre sure look amazing!! KEV WANT.

My Strymon El Capistan will always hold a special place in my heart and my ear, but damn if this Belle Epoch Deluxe and Epoch Pre don't look to be even more of what I want here. I can easily imagine getting the Epoch Pre first, by itself, and really liking it with my El Cap' and other pedals and my amp.

I'll add that the El Capistan works best, for me, in an amp's effects-loop, while this Belle Epoch Deluxe and Epoch Pre probably would be very pleasing in front of an amp's input, as well as in the effects-loop. Though I might still end up choosing to put the Belle Epoch Deluxe in the 'loop (with the Epoch Pre in front of the amp's input), as I tend prefer echoing overdrive and distortion to overdriving and distorting the repeats of an echo-device, if you know what I mean.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 02/02/17 09:11 PM
They're talking about this over at the keyboard forum...and y'all know Radial brings the hi-quality s***.

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 02/03/17 12:47 AM
these kind of things are not for everybody...but I like all the input/output options:

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/03/17 12:16 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
these kind of things are not for everybody...but I like all the input/output options:



Oh, I think I would love that! As it is, I already have a Rivera RockCrusher, a very old GT Electronics (Groove Tubes) Speaker Emulator, an ART DUALZDirect 2-channel 1/4"-to-XLR DI, and an ART PowerMIX III 3x stereo headphone-amp. Two of my tube-amps have 'speaker compensated/voiced' direct outputs, as well- one has a 1/4" DI, the other an XLR.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 02/03/17 10:47 PM
Keeley at NAMM, showing off a few new pedals:

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/04/17 03:55 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Keeley at NAMM, showing off a few new pedals:





I don't usually like most chorus-effects at all, but that Dyno-My-Roto tri-chorus sounds pretty good there!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/12/17 06:21 PM
Just saw this:
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 02/13/17 12:00 PM
Sounds like my weekend! Thanks for posting that, Dannyalcatraz, I'll try and dial up some of those sounds in my Delaylab.
Posted By: DocPate Re: cool new effects - 02/13/17 09:32 PM
Ed Sheeran's Chewie II pedalboard on Grammys last night.
https://reverb.com/news/ed-sheerans-chew...eb65fb-58336773
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 02/15/17 01:18 PM
@ Doc, He did a very good job of using that huge looper. I would have no use for one that size. I have a small Digitec looper that is good enough for me... cool
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 02/16/17 11:53 AM
Reminds me of the "Large Print" books we used to sell for the vision-impaired. That thing is bigger than ANY pedalboard I've ever hauled around.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 02/17/17 08:00 PM
Almost threw this in the Crapulator thread:



Does just what it says.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 02/17/17 08:29 PM
That would qualify! You have to love how they 'distressed' the pedal, so it looks like it sounds . . .
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/17/17 10:11 PM
I love Industrial Electric's thought processes. I've a few of their pedals on my G.A.S. list...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 02/20/17 06:09 PM
The next EHX 9 is here!

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/20/17 08:56 PM
I just can't get enough!

Once I complete the set, I should be able to recreate the score to damn near any schlock sci-fi film of the 1980s.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 02/21/17 12:04 PM
Chase Bliss Audio bills this as an "analog gain stage", and the level of control it gives you is stunning.



edited to replace crap demo with a good one.

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/21/17 03:52 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Chase Bliss Audio bills this as an "analog gain stage", and the level of control it gives you is stunning.



Nice! cool I like that! Looks very versatile! And I bet it'd only be better yet when stacking other pedals into it.

Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
The next EHX 9 is here!



This seems to be my least liked of the series- I really like all of the others so far. I wouldn't touch most of the musical examples that they use throughout the video, though I could use some of the pedal's sounds in my own way for my own music- most likely combined with other pedals, as well.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 02/22/17 12:45 PM
Caevan, I hope we can agree to disagree about the Synth9. Other than the Mel9, which I already have, this is the only other model in the series that calls to me. I'm with you on most of his examples, but what I really dislike about these demo videos is that they're over-produced, if that's the right word? In a few cases, we're hearing multi-tracked riffs, and in every example, that bloody Drum Machine is going in the background. I think a lot of folks are going to take the thing home and expect to sound like a band, from those videos!

Can't find a purchase price anywhere yet, but I expect it'll be in the same $225+/- range as the others, coincidentally, right around the price of a Roland GK-3 Synth pickup. If you're NOT in need of deep programming or MIDI control, just looking for a few cool sounds, this is much easier and neater than glomming a Synth pickup onto a favorite Guitar.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/22/17 02:20 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Caevan, I hope we can agree to disagree about the Synth9. Other than the Mel9, which I already have, this is the only other model in the series that calls to me. I'm with you on most of his examples, but what I really dislike about these demo videos is that they're over-produced, if that's the right word? In a few cases, we're hearing multi-tracked riffs, and in every example, that bloody Drum Machine is going in the background. I think a lot of folks are going to take the thing home and expect to sound like a band, from those videos!

Can't find a purchase price anywhere yet, but I expect it'll be in the same $225+/- range as the others, coincidentally, right around the price of a Roland GK-3 Synth pickup. If you're NOT in need of deep programming or MIDI control, just looking for a few cool sounds, this is much easier and neater than glomming a Synth pickup onto a favorite Guitar.


I think you and I agree more than disagree here, Winston; I wouldn't mind having one of these- being of the least usefulness to me of them still means I could make use of it, I just wouldn't use it the way it's demonstrated in that video, playing music that, for the most part, I'd gladly forget. I'd use the Synth9 to generate sounds and music of my own, bearing little resemblance to what's trotted out in the demo-vid. I imagine you would, too! That is, be more original, and less ' '80s review', if you will.

There are cover bands that will get a LOT of miles out of that, though! And more power to 'em.

That all being said, I just find much more of what I'd want and need in all the previous EHX "9"-series pedals. If I had most or all of 'em, I'd likely run several in parallel from time to time, including that Synth9, with other various modulation and delay pedals following. I think I'd likely enjoy running the Synth9 into some distrotion, overdrive, or fuzz- say, my Octron?! crazy cool It'd be INSANE with the harmonic-overtones of my Sustainiac Model C and my Les Paul!

By the way- how does your Mel9, or this Synth9, work with your 7-String Les Paul? I bet THAT would be AWESOME with this pedal!
By the way- how does your Mel9, or this Synth9, work with your 7-String Les Paul? I bet THAT would be AWESOME with this pedal! rawk

And you're so very RIGHT about the convenience of using the Synth9 instead of glomming a synth-pickup onto a favorite guitar!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/22/17 02:29 PM
Just wait 'till you try one of those EHX 9 pedals with a poly-octave generator- "18 string guitar", y'all!- and a Morpheus Dive Bomber...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 02/22/17 04:13 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite

By the way- how does your Mel9, or this Synth9, work with your 7-String Les Paul? I bet THAT would be AWESOME with this pedal!
By the way- how does your Mel9, or this Synth9, work with your 7-String Les Paul? I bet THAT would be AWESOME with this pedal! rawk

And you're so very RIGHT about the convenience of using the Synth9 instead of glomming a synth-pickup onto a favorite guitar!


The Mel9 works very well with all of my Guitars, but it is fun pairing it with the 7-string, as it brings in two unexpected elements, playing in front of people: you don't often see a 7-string LP, even less one that sounds like a Mellotron!

What I've done, so far, is to create a handful of patches in my GT-10 that allow me to run a chain of effects for straight Guitar signal on one (virtual) Channel, then have an effects chain for the Mel9 on the other Channel, with different, discrete effects & Amp models, for each signal chain, like having the Mel9 go through a Rotary effect and a short Delay, into a Full Range Amp model. (The GT-10 has dual Amp models and Noise Suppressors, and you can arrange or route your signal chain pretty much any way you like. I patch the Mel9 in through the GT-10's Send/Return.)
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/27/17 03:02 PM
Aaahhh, the new Plus Pedal seems to be smoother and warmer than the EHX Freeze- and may use a different approach?


________ Plus Pedal 'piano-sustain pedal'


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Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 03/03/17 10:05 AM
^ I love that. Very interesting.

...I don't even know how to describe this here Stereo Field device. It does a lot of things. Plenty of info and demo videos at link: http://www.landscape.fm/
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/03/17 10:36 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
^ I love that [Plus Pedal 'piano-sustain pedal']. Very interesting.


I think that the DigiTech FreqOut

________

plus the Plus Pedal 'piano-sustain pedal'

________

plus a looper (I've got a Boss RC-20XL and a Strymon El Capistan for looper duties), would be a very useful combination of tools to add to my arsenal... ! crazy cool twothumbs

________
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/03/17 03:41 PM
@Caevan - Put a Volume pedal in that line-up somewhere, so you can 'swell' the Feedback effect in and out. I find the Volume pedal to be a great assist with the E-Bow, as well. Also, a Volume pedal following your Looper will allow you to fade out Looped material. Some Loopers have a Fade-out feature, or a function that lets you play to the end of the loop, but too often, they just abruptly cut off the loop whenever you hit the switch.

(Does the Strymon allow you to assign an Exp pedal to the Loop playback? I know the Boss doesn't.)

FWIW, that Plus Pedal was too subtle for my taste; I could barely hear what it was doing. It seems like the FreqOut would cover much of that territory, with a little tweaking?
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 03/03/17 03:50 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
FWIW, that Plus Pedal was too subtle for my taste; I could barely hear what it was doing.


It's not a very good demo, for sure, but I was thinking it may just be the answer to my dreams. Can't tell without a hands on demo, though.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/04/17 12:48 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Caevan - Put a Volume pedal in that line-up somewhere, so you can 'swell' the Feedback effect in and out. I find the Volume pedal to be a great assist with the E-Bow, as well.


Oh, yeah, I love using a volume-pedal, for gain/clean-to-dirty tones and feedback control, as well as volume-swell and simulated 'backward' effects.

I could put a volume-pedal in the effects-loop/insert of my Sustainiac Model C to control the feedback that way, or simply place it before the input of the Sustainiac 'pedal'.

Somewhat similarly, I can and do use my guitar's volume-controls to adjust, bring in, or eliminate feedback generated by my Sustainiac Model C, as well as 'natural' feedback brought on by gain and speaker-proximity. Works great!

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Also, a Volume pedal following your Looper will allow you to fade out Looped material. Some Loopers have a Fade-out feature, or a function that lets you play to the end of the loop, but too often, they just abruptly cut off the loop whenever you hit the switch.

(Does the Strymon allow you to assign an Exp pedal to the Loop playback? I know the Boss doesn't.)


I could assign an expression-pedal to the El Capistan's Mix control if I wanted to. Or, I could do so with its Repeats (feedback/regeneration) control, or just dial the knob back manually, to have a loop fade-out, earliest to latest layers dubbed fading out respectively.

I could probably get similar results with something like an Option Knob or Third-Hand mechanical-pedal connected to my Boss RC-20XL's loop Level control...

For the most part, currently, my looping needs are relatively simple and straightforward; I don't mind the more utilitarian and abrupt endings, etc..

The RC-20XL is plenty enough looper for me for now, and it's good for typical cut-and-dry looping.

I use the El Capistan much less often for looping, and when I do, it's less often for straight-up 'live overdub' looping where one plays over repeating figures, etc., and more often for stranger, somewhat more surreal aural painting that benefits from the El Capistan's simulated tape-crinkle, wow and flutter, and gradual but steady fading and degradation, not to mention occasional deliberate upward or downward jumps in pitch and speed.

Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
FWIW, that Plus Pedal was too subtle for my taste; I could barely hear what it was doing.


It's not a very good demo, for sure, but I was thinking it may just be the answer to my dreams. Can't tell without a hands on demo, though.


I suspect that the controls on the Plus pedal could be dialed-in for 'more', greater bombast, if you will.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/04/17 01:25 PM
BTW, Caevan, did you ever get to try the Mel9?
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/04/17 03:06 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
BTW, Caevan, did you ever get to try the Mel9?


I wound up short on time, but I will be back there this week, quite possibly on Tuesday or Wednesday; I'll keep you posted...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/05/17 03:21 PM
Alright, it's not exactly new, but somehow I missed the Vox Delaylab, when it first came out. Anyone looking for a versatile, sweet-sounding Delay box, needs to check this one out. I've been digging into it for a little while, and it's quickly become one of my favorite effects devices.

Think of it as a sort-of DL4 on steroids; 30 User memory slots, instead of 3, a dedicated Reverse Loop switch, and a bunch of surprising effects. The big drawback; no MIDI or USB connections, so if you want to share you patches with anyone, you'll need to work up a Patch Data Sheet (remember those?) from the Preset Program Chart in the back of the Manual.

There are a lot of videos featuring the Delaylab, including a bunch of A/B comparisons with other Delays, but this one shows off some of the more oddball features.

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 03/07/17 11:31 AM
The people at knobs are back from their monthlong vacation with a demo video for Earthquake's Rainbow Machine:

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/09/17 10:28 AM
Winston- The Delaylab looks to be an excellent pedal! Something Something something somethin zumti for everyone, and then some.

Also- I did get to try out the Mel9 the other day! Short answer: I liked it! I found that, on the one hand, it's a little fussy at times regarding picking-dynamics- you have to be very clear and succinct with it if you want it to trigger accurately. On the other hand, it isn't difficult to get a good grip on that; with a little attention and focus, I was quickly able to not only get excellent, consistent response, I was able to, say, sustain a wonderful low pedal-tone not unlike a cellist playing long continual whole-notes, while also playing shorter notes and figures along the lines of two or more viola and violin players harmonizing over said cellist pedal, by playing on the higher strings. I got compliments on that from a couple other people in the store. cool

I liked some of its voices better than others, but the ones I did like, I enjoyed quite a bit.

One thing that I've found with all of the 9 series- they are very bright and trebley, to the point that the control-settings on any given amp that my guitar- any guitar- sounds best with, are very much too bright for these EHX 9-series pedals, which require very different amp control-settings. I'd need a second amp and a good A/B/Y-switcher (Fulltone True-Path?) or at least an EQ of some kind to make them usable for live performance.

Hugo- That Rainbow Machine is indeed colorful and trippy!


Strymon has just trotted out their new Sunset Dual Overdrive:

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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/11/17 03:30 AM
Because...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/11/17 12:46 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Because...


Thank you, Dannyalcatraz! Possibly my favorite gear demo of all time!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/11/17 01:25 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Thank you, Dannyalcatraz! Possibly my favorite gear demo of all time!


grin I know, right?! crazy Hysterical! laugh roll
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 03/11/17 01:40 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Thank you, Dannyalcatraz! Possibly my favorite gear demo of all time!


grin I know, right?! crazy Hysterical! laugh roll


OK, I've been sitting on the fence about the Miku but this demo clinches the deal, firstly because, as he states, "It is the perfect pedal" but more importantly, I need to be able to crack myself up like this.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/11/17 03:10 PM
As ever, your friend & faithful servant. grin
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 03/11/17 03:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4XwNVhHWTM <---here's a future pedal sound you could put in a looper if you figure out how he's doing it... cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 03/14/17 09:25 PM
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/17/17 10:47 AM
It's not entirely new, although the MKII version is more recent. They have one of these at my FLUMS; I'm tempted to make the drive out there today . . .

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/17/17 02:58 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
It's not entirely new, although the MKII version is more recent. They have one of these at my FLUMS; I'm tempted to make the drive out there today . . .



Hmmn... Short answer (for now)- thank you for introducing me to this pedal and this maker, Winston! Very interesting...
Posted By: Danzilla Re: cool new effects - 03/17/17 04:06 PM
Woah!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/17/17 05:52 PM
Winston, that's a new company for me, too. Let me also say...

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/17/17 06:02 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo


Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/17/17 06:23 PM
Well, friends, I took a chance and called my FLUMS, and they're holding the Bad Comrade for me until Monday - big work weekend ahead, so I'm not at liberty to go gear shopping for the next couple of days. Full report when I have it in my paws, but this could be the final brick in the wall, as far as my pedalboard array goes, the Crapulator I've been looking for. (It could also be the last straw, for some of my listeners, but WTH . . .) I would have liked a WMD Geiger Counter, and might still hold out for one at some later time, but this thing . . . it's almost obscene.

FWIW, I'm not sure if they (it may just be one guy?) make anything else. They're hand-signed and dated on the inside of the box, even the MKII's, which is why I suspect it's one guy, or at most, a very small crew. The MK1 version looks like a project box, while the MKII looks more like a commercial product, although they kept the 'dog-tag'-style serial # plate: Adds a nice, industrial vibe, don't you think?

Now, if it works with my EV-5 Expression Pedal . . .
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/17/17 07:11 PM
Yes they do:
http://www.graigmarkelmusic.com/Graig_Markel_Music/FX_Products.html
https://www.facebook.com/RecoveryEffects/
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/18/17 12:29 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Well, friends, I took a chance and called my FLUMS, and they're holding the Bad Comrade for me until Monday - big work weekend ahead, so I'm not at liberty to go gear shopping for the next couple of days. Full report when I have it in my paws, but this could be the final brick in the wall, as far as my pedalboard array goes, the Crapulator I've been looking for. (It could also be the last straw, for some of my listeners, but WTH . . .) I would have liked a WMD Geiger Counter, and might still hold out for one at some later time, but this thing . . . it's almost obscene.

Winston- when you go to check this Bad Comrade MkII out, be sure to first power it up with the Stutter off, and the Gate and Time controls turned up fully clockwise; do so EVERY time you power one up. Otherwise, it won't work right. After that- each time- set the controls however you like. Some useful information I ran across searchin' 'n' readin' up on this enthusiastic li'l robotic buddy from an alien world.

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
FWIW, I'm not sure if they (it may just be one guy?) make anything else. They're hand-signed and dated on the inside of the box, even the MKII's, which is why I suspect it's one guy, or at most, a very small crew. The MK1 version looks like a project box, while the MKII looks more like a commercial product, although they kept the 'dog-tag'-style serial # plate: Adds a nice, industrial vibe, don't you think?

Turns out that Graig Markel and Recovery Effects do in fact make and distribute a variety of electronic/sonic-pervertulators. I believe you're otherwise right on all counts therein, Mr. Psmith.

The following F.A.Q. entry 'splains much to one of the extrapulatin' mindset:

Originally Posted By: Graig Markel Music dot com
Q: What is your Return Policy? A: If you want the option of returning a perfectly functioning pedal, please order from one of our dealers. We have a small operation, and our primary focus is building pedals. Product returns add a lot of work to our day, and pull us away from focusing on our products. Alternately, all of our dealers have excellent return policies. It is their focus to deal with sales, refunds, exchanges, etc.


Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Yes they do:
http://www.graigmarkelmusic.com/Graig_Markel_Music/FX_Products.html
https://www.facebook.com/RecoveryEffects/


Yes, they do, don't they?! crazy grin twothumbs

I like that you and I both went 'n' searched 'em all up 'n' stuff... wave

I betcha you 'n' Winston both 'd dig this belligerent box of bandicoot bamboozlery:

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And this fractured bit of cassette deckery:

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I kinda sorta like this one, myself:

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Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Now, if it works with my EV-5 Expression Pedal . . .

If your EV-5 Expression Pedal via a TRS cable is more or less functionallyinterchangeable with a Moog EP, I believe you'll be in business.

I wouldn't be surprised if you've got a Moog EP not far from reach, anyway, as well... wink

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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/18/17 12:58 AM
Well, Caev, as a great philosopher once said:


And helping people find guitar gear, etc. on the Internet is about as close to handy as I get! laugh

I'm a bit concerned by that info your extraterrestrial android buddy revealed, though.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/18/17 02:22 AM
thu

Yer a boon to this community and a good, friendly friend to have, Danny boy.

Originally Posted By: DannyAlkaSeltzer, or AlkyShitzu, or That Guy
I'm a bit concerned by that info your extraterrestrial android buddy revealed, though.

Meh, of whom weird is given, weird is required. The controls and circuitry are interactive and quirky, as are the potential results. 'S not much to ask to have a power-up ritual- breakfast is the moist important meal o' the day...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/18/17 12:01 PM
Thanks for that, Caevan! Usually, when I find a cool used pedal, I'll hunt for the Manual online. For such a crazy device, the Bad Comrade has a one-sheet instruction Manual. I think they should add the warning/benediction "GFL", in bold letters, as the final instruction.

No Moog EP (nobody around here carries them?), but I have 5 EV-5's, and they seem to to work with almost anything that needs a TRS jack, including my MoogerFooger pedals.

Getting ready for a weekend of catering work, but on Monday, I'm heading out to enlist the Bad Comrade. Sadly, I just missed a Subdecay Starlight Flanger, that was at the same store. Dannyalcatraz will be shaking his head at me for missing that one, I'm sure.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/18/17 05:03 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
For such a crazy device, the Bad Comrade has a one-sheet instruction Manual. I think they should add the warning/benediction "GFL", in bold letters, as the final instruction.

I know, right?! crazy I noticed that being the same with the manuals for all of their crazy devices.

"GFL"- Three-letter acronym for 'Good Funkin' Luck'? Or... ?

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
No Moog EP (nobody around here carries them?), but I have 5 EV-5's, and they seem to to work with almost anything that needs a TRS jack, including my MoogerFooger pedals.

Bestaluck widdatt, Winston! Please take one with you (and a TRS Y-cable) when you check that Bad Comrade out, and please let us know if and how well they work with that pedal. Keep us posted!

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Getting ready for a weekend of catering work, but on Monday, I'm heading out to enlist the Bad Comrade. Sadly, I just missed a Subdecay Starlight Flanger, that was at the same store. Dannyalcatraz will be shaking his head at me for missing that one, I'm sure.

That looks to be a pretty cool flanger pedal, indeed.

On the one hand, I see that the original iteration of the Subdecay Starlight Flanger occasionally turns up for fairly cheap;

but on the other hand, the Manual and Depth controls- and whatever other improvements and upgrades were added- seem to be VERY desirable features that I'd sorely miss on the original!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/18/17 05:53 PM
Yeah, I love my Starlight Mk II; the Shepard's End is my other flanger. Lots of bang for the buck. I'm looking at more flangers, but most are pricier. They're on my radar mostly because they have additional functions, not necessarily because they sound better.

Haves:
http://proguitarshop.com/subdecay-starlight-mkii-flanger.html
https://www.mrblackpedals.com/products/shepards-end

Wants:
http://catalinbread.com/product/zero-point/
http://chaseblissaudio.com/spectre/
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/20/17 12:41 PM
@Caevan - re: "GFL", that's close enough . . .

@Dannyalcatraz - I love the idea of a Sample&Hold Waveform on a Flanger, and I've been enjoying their Prometheus Filter quite a bit.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 03/24/17 11:18 AM
not really an effect as much as an instrument in its own right:



More info here: holy crap!

You might also wanna check out Sonicsmith's YouTube channel. They've already got one other Squaver video up, and more are on the way.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/24/17 12:14 PM
Still seeing a big blank space, but the holy crap link worked!

Analog Modular Synths have made a big comeback in the last few years, and there's been a good bit of cross-over, between Guitar Effects and Synth Modules in that time. There are also a number of hardware Synths that have Audio In jacks, so you can run your Guitar, Bass or Voice through the Filters and Effects sections of the Synth's processor.

One warning from all of my friends who are into Modular Synths: Once you start collecting Modules, it never ends.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/24/17 12:41 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Still seeing a big blank space, but the holy crap link worked!


Hit Quick Quote or Quote, and the URL address for the given video link will be there in the text. Then you can copy and paste it in a new tab on your browser and almost certainly view the video content. Try that! I hope it works; that's how I had to do it on my old computer.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/24/17 02:28 PM
Thanks, Caevan, I'll try that.

BTW, check yer PM's, here and on FB . . . I may have a solution to reviving the Vortex.
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 03/27/17 11:48 AM
Not new new, but I missed it when it came out. This could be really cool for the right person. EXH combined their Klone with the Holy Grail Max and an effects loop to run whatever you want between the drive and the verb.

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/28/17 08:00 PM
Revisiting the Miku...partnered with a fuzz...
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 03/28/17 08:34 PM
Fuzzy Miku. LOL
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/29/17 10:46 AM
For some reason, there are a lot more videos of this pedal than there were just a short time ago? People must need a laugh . . .

I tend to run mine through Delay or Reverb, to stretch out the sound a bit, but after seeing the video with the Rainbow Machine, I may have to experiment more.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/02/17 08:09 PM
presented w/o comment:

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/04/17 08:19 PM
this does a lot, and you know I love anything with momentary switches:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/05/17 12:25 AM



...I can haz Super Wizard?
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 04/05/17 09:48 AM
The Pigtronix Echolution will do a lot of the same things as the Super Wizard, plus, you get 60 Preset slots for storing your sounds.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/05/17 12:27 PM
True, true...also on my list, too. wink
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/05/17 12:43 PM
I like that! I enjoy dreamscapery...

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
The Pigtronix Echolution will do a lot of the same things as the Super Wizard, plus, you get 60 Preset slots for storing your sounds.


That's very good to know!

Does the Echolution include an insert loop TRS patch-in jack, as well? If so, does it allow for the regeneration/repeats to be recycled through and exponentially effected by whatever's inserted there?
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 04/05/17 01:03 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I like that! I enjoy dreamscapery...

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
The Pigtronix Echolution will do a lot of the same things as the Super Wizard, plus, you get 60 Preset slots for storing your sounds.


That's very good to know!

Does the Echolution include an insert loop TRS patch-in jack, as well? If so, does it allow for the regeneration/repeats to be recycled through and exponentially effected by whatever's inserted there?


No Insert or S/R jack on E2, at least not on my Filter Pro, and not that I recall on the other models. OTOH, the E2 will Pitch-Shift your echoes, and let you choose the intervals, or run your echoes through the internal Filters & Modulation FX. There's a Bit Crusher effect, although it's not nearly as ugly as say, the Geiger Counter, it can add some serious grit to your repeats. It's almost a MFX disguised as Delay pedal, and I get a few sounds out of it that sound nothing like a Delay pedal, more like a Ring Mod, or a Mono Synth. BTW, Ive mentioned it before but the Filter Pro is much less expensive than the Ultra Pro, but you get ALL the same features by using the software that goes with the E2. The mani difference is that you get fewer control knobs on the Filter Pro, so there are a handful of parameters you can only access via the software; the Ultra Pro has all the controls on the front panel.

Adding a good old Roland EV-5 Expression Pedal gives you a LOT of real-time control over the E2's parameters. Increase or decrease the Mix, Delay Time, Modulation Speed & Depth,

One other Delay I've been looking at, because I want a ridiculously long Analog Delay, is the JHS Panther Cub. ! full second of Analog Delay, w/Modulation, and an insert jack. They're not cheap, which is why I haven't already got one, but it's the only serious contender against the Mini-Moogerfooger Analog Delay, for my money. If I had the $600-700 for a full-size MF Analog Delay, no question, that's what I get.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/05/17 10:31 PM
Nice preamp in pedal format. Video's been out about 6 weeks, so still pretty new:

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/07/17 08:16 PM
more new stuff:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/07/17 09:32 PM
Beat me to it!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/08/17 12:20 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
more new stuff:



Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Beat me to it!


O0O0Oooh, I like that... I sense a lot of potential for me to dial-in some calamitous cyborg fuzztortion tones that I'd really enjoy... I love the dual Tone and Body EQ controls! Full-figured AND brightly burning wire-hair sounds together again for the first time!

Long, long ago- in the early to mid '80s- I used to have an original "IC/Op-Amp" V4 or V5 EH Big Muff Pi, the same as what was later to be known as the 'Siamese Dream' machine of Corgan yore. This seems like an excellent progression from that stomp!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/12/17 11:43 AM
EHX has a new OD pedal on the way. Click on link to see details and demo videos!

Operation Overlord
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/19/17 03:31 AM
They're baaaaaack...



The use of Swell B at 14:08 just sounds HUGE!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 04/19/17 05:46 PM
Some of these are right on the borderline between Synth Modules and Guitar Effects. I approve, heartily . . .
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/19/17 06:15 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Some of these are right on the borderline between Synth Modules and Guitar Effects. I approve, heartily . . .


I thought of you, Winston, listening to some of that, and others... cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 04/19/17 08:51 PM
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 04/19/17 10:33 PM
I saw that video before, and I'm still confuzzled.
Posted By: icarusi Re: cool new effects - 04/21/17 08:38 PM
Got the Synth9, and returned it. Massive 'cracking' noise on retriggering of notes on the Mini Mood on the solo portamento voice. Other aspects were good. Polyphonic tracking of the guitar was near supernatural. It even effortlessly extracted chords after a distortion box, which should have had it glitching. Synth sounds all seemed to be variations on saw/triangle waves. Variations seemed to be 'signature' selections from the existing big EH HOG and MicroSynth pedals with limited adjustment. It has 20ms delay between the synth and dry outs. It's light as a feather and although not battery powered is rated at 100mA so should be easy to do. If they sort out the noise problem, and I subsequently tried 3 all with the same fault, I'll get one again. The underlying tech is good. It also shows the limits of guitar/synth control. Double stop faux steel bends easily accomplished and also demonstrates reasons for not using the Synth9 sounds for that purpose.

The Synth9 onboard compressor makes a difference. Haven't like the other *9 pedals with 'touch sensitivity' especially the organ types. I think the EH pitch-to-sound system may include touch/velocity conversion by default, and limited DSP capacity to exnclude a compressor on the organ types, so may be worth trying the organs with an outboard compressor in front.

Used it in parallel with a distortion box with a passive splitter at the synth-out with no problems. YMMV on that.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 04/22/17 11:55 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I saw that video before, and I'm still confuzzled.


There should be more & better explanations of the gear being driven through the effect. That little thing that looks like a toy pocket calculator is a tiny, inexpensive Synth, made by Teenage Engineering. We never even see the MicroBrute, an Analog MonoSynth, and there's no explanation of how the Drum Machine (Roland?) is driving the mini-Synth.

From what I can see and hear, the Pulsar seems to be a combination of a Sequenced Tremolo, with an Attack Delay. You could very likely work up a Patch like this in a good Multi-FX processor, with some effort.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/25/17 11:58 AM
Originally Posted By: icarusi
Got the Synth9, and returned it. Massive 'cracking' noise on retriggering of notes on the Mini Mood on the solo portamento voice. Other aspects were good. Polyphonic tracking of the guitar was near supernatural. It even effortlessly extracted chords after a distortion box, which should have had it glitching. Synth sounds all seemed to be variations on saw/triangle waves. Variations seemed to be 'signature' selections from the existing big EH HOG and MicroSynth pedals with limited adjustment. It has 20ms delay between the synth and dry outs. It's light as a feather and although not battery powered is rated at 100mA so should be easy to do. If they sort out the noise problem, and I subsequently tried 3 all with the same fault, I'll get one again. The underlying tech is good. It also shows the limits of guitar/synth control. Double stop faux steel bends easily accomplished and also demonstrates reasons for not using the Synth9 sounds for that purpose.

The Synth9 onboard compressor makes a difference. Haven't like the other *9 pedals with 'touch sensitivity' especially the organ types. I think the EH pitch-to-sound system may include touch/velocity conversion by default, and limited DSP capacity to exnclude a compressor on the organ types, so may be worth trying the organs with an outboard compressor in front.

Used it in parallel with a distortion box with a passive splitter at the synth-out with no problems. YMMV on that.


I'm sorry to hear that, icarusi! I've read that some of these EHX '9 series pedals have been having quality and reliability issues. Some other GPF members might chime in on the matter... ?
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/25/17 12:06 PM
Interesting, and promising- considering what might come further along the road here...

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Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 04/27/17 01:55 PM
Shameless GP Classifieds notification:


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Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 05/04/17 09:58 PM
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/05/17 04:46 AM
Nice!

I found this:



Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/18/17 11:51 PM
Yo!



Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/19/17 10:07 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Nice!

I found this:


Env. Controlled Harm... ?! Wha... ?! crazy smirk rawk wink grin

This pedal sure has you, Dannyalcatraz, Winston PSmith, and hurricane hugo written aaalllllll over it! Am I wrong? Is there anyone that I missed? crazy cool

Hmmmmnn; I'd be interested in how some of those sounds sounded when sounding through the sound of an overdriven sounding or distorted sounding tube-amp or pedal sound... wink

Seriously, some of the sounds- such as around 2:32 there in the ProGuitarShop vid- strike me as what I'd like when feeding a distorted tube-amp, so that overall, the distortion tone would be a bit more warmly 'traditional' and smoothed out, but with that quirky textural morphing in the middle... know what I mean? "Stacking" is a term often applied to such serial deployment...

I've achieved that sort of thing with my VFE Fiery Red Horse ("triangle"-era Big Muff based fuzztortion)) by dialing-back its Power control- effecting a bit of voltage-starvation to three crucial points of its circuitry- for a barky, strangling sound hitting the "Lead"/OD/Dist. Channel of my amp. Less jagged, sputtery fuzz, animated midrange character shifting and weirdness, very cool...

It'd also be interesting to hear how it responds to volume-swells and/or compression before its input.

Or how about inserting it into the feedback-loop of an echo pedal? Effecting and re-effecting and infecting and redistructing each echo-repeat in turn? crazy

laugh Haahh! "Who's That Lady" kinda sorta sounds with the neck-pickup and its tone-knob rolled-back there at around 3:33. Almost sounds like some kind of flanger or phaser modulation is in effect, as well- just the inherent dynamic textural response, I suspect? Nice.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz


Nice riffery; settings that sound a li'l more closerer to Classic Rock tones. Nice.

I like how a little ring-mod-ish squirreliness comes in around the edges- or sometimes takes over altogether!- sort of like some of the artifacts squidged out by an Octavia style octave-fuzz when pushed.

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/19/17 10:26 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Yo!



Niiiiiiiiiice. You know how I love octave fuzz, both up and down- especially when a dry signal can be blended-in to taste.

I dig this. Beautiful finish graphics, by the way.

Compare the Okto-Nøjs to Foxrox Octron 2 (I have, love, and rock an original-iteration Octron; Octron 2 adds individual stomp-switches for Oct-Up, Direct, and Oct-Down), and Mu-FX Octave Divider.


Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/19/17 11:58 AM
You were the first person I thought of, Caev!

(After me, of course. wink )
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/19/17 05:05 PM
Speakin' o' TWA, I think that I could really like their Great Divide 2.0 Analog Synth Octaver, particularly if paired with my Sustainiac Model C acoustic-feedback generator and my Boss RT-20 Leslie/rotary sim pedal, or my phaser or flanger... I enjoy copping keyboard-like sounds while still sounding like 'me', instead of yet another guitar player with a POG or '9 series pedal...


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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/20/17 12:51 PM
Slightly OT:

I'm sitting in a Thai restaurant eating breakfast. Never been to this one before, and it's gooood.

But the owner is watching something online that seems to be a talent or variety show, but right now sounds disconcertingly like a Miku Stomp demo vid. I almost shot noodles out of my nose...
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 05/25/17 04:35 AM
Something a bit more subtle:

Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 05/25/17 12:58 PM
I saw one of these at my FLUMS; looks like even more fun than the Prometheus.

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/26/17 12:50 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Something a bit more subtle:



Nice. cool

Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
I saw one of these at my FLUMS; looks like even more fun than the Prometheus.



While there are a lot of cool sounds in that stomp- W 0 W, that rearranged Beatles medley is absolutely FANTASTIC! (And the "Don't Worry Be Happy" quotes are, too!)
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 05/26/17 07:16 PM
the latest from the people behind the Dream Sequence pedal:

Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 05/27/17 11:29 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
the latest from the people behind the Dream Sequence pedal:





@hurricane hugo - Thanks, I think you just sent me on my next quest . . .
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 05/29/17 07:42 PM
new stuff!

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 05/30/17 12:15 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
new stuff!





Wow, I liked that a lot more than I thought I was going to; someday I might actually want to have TWO of those- one to have after a looper to process the repeating loops coming OUT of the looper, and another to have for my 'straight'/pre-looper material, for both processing what goes INTO the looper, and what I might play parallel to the repeating-loops, over them- dig?

I really like how it sounds like a tape-flavored alternative to chorus modulation, without the obnoxious LFO waveform-sweep of a chorus. Nice. cool

I already love the random glitchy artifacts and crinkly wrinkles in the repeats of my Strymon El Capistan when I have the Tape Crinkle maxed and the Wow & Flutter modulation quite high; if I could add some of the Shallow Water's quirky rippling to just the echo repeats of the El Cap, I'd really love it!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 06/07/17 08:10 AM
Lots of what we seem to post is boutique stuff.
Feels strange to be dropping some BOSS in here.


Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/07/17 09:32 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Lots of what we seem to post is boutique stuff.
Feels strange to be dropping some BOSS in here.


I have and love a Boss RT-20 Leslie/rotary-sim; it sounds amazing in 'stereo'. An RT-20 was good enough for Gary Moore to use for the Hendrix song "Angel" during his Blues for Jimi concert- it sounded great, like a real-live Leslie!
Posted By: CEB Re: cool new effects - 06/07/17 11:04 AM
Never had a Boss pedal fail. I've had MXR, Rats, Visual Sound, Morley, EHX, Tech21, Vox, Thomas Organ Co., DeArmond etc..... in the shop but never a Boss.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/07/17 11:27 AM
Haven't killed any of my Bosses* yet, either. And the RT-20 is a solid piece of kit. One of the few I haven't tried to improve upon with another pedal purchase.







* At least, not any pedals....
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 06/07/17 12:49 PM
I've seen exactly one broken Boss pedal, an ancient T-Wah at a pawnshop. The switch plate was cracked where it screwed into the main body of the pedal.

That Boss switcher isn't exactly a new concept for them. I had a Boss/Roland catalog from the late 80's/early 90's(?) that showed a bunch of Boss pedals arranged on this large combination Switching System/Pedalboard, the SCC-700 Sound Control Center. It held 7 Boss pedals, and it was bigger than most modern Multi-FX.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/07/17 01:56 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
That Boss switcher isn't exactly a new concept for them. I had a Boss/Roland catalog from the late 80's/early 90's(?) that showed a bunch of Boss pedals arranged on this large combination Switching System/Pedalboard, the SCC-700 Sound Control Center. It held 7 Boss pedals, and it was bigger than most modern Multi-FX.


Yeah, but did it include a flexible multi-effects with what, 112 effects types, USB-connected computer-editing, etc. etc.? This looks pretty cool...

This is more a MFX with patchable, switchable external effects-loops, than a switcher with bells 'n' whistles...

It can be deployed within the "four cable" topology, as well.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 06/07/17 02:45 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
That Boss switcher isn't exactly a new concept for them. I had a Boss/Roland catalog from the late 80's/early 90's(?) that showed a bunch of Boss pedals arranged on this large combination Switching System/Pedalboard, the SCC-700 Sound Control Center. It held 7 Boss pedals, and it was bigger than most modern Multi-FX.


Yeah, but did it include a flexible multi-effects with what, 112 effects types, USB-connected computer-editing, etc. etc.? This looks pretty cool...

This is more a MFX with patchable, switchable external effects-loops, than a switcher with bells 'n' whistles...

It can be deployed within the "four cable" topology, as well.


Point well made, brother. It's a very cool concept, and very compact, easy to incorporate into a pedalboard.

In fairness, I'm not the target market for this device. I can see it being ideal for someone who just has a couple of pedals, looking to expand or upgrade to a MFX, without giving up the pedals they've been using.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/07/17 03:00 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Point well made, brother. It's a very cool concept, and very compact, easy to incorporate into a pedalboard.

In fairness, I'm not the target market for this device. I can see it being ideal for someone who just has a couple of pedals, looking to expand or upgrade to a MFX, without giving up the pedals they've been using.


I'm essentially with ya- although it might be just the thing, if a bit extravagant, for my EH '9 series and Boss RT-20 deployment quandaries, being able to easily switch them on and off together, perhaps with an EQ to tame the EH '9 series' excessive brightness, while leaving my amp-settings intact for my guitar... I don't currently have as much need for that as I did a little while back, but, I may again...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 06/07/17 03:59 PM
Just saw the price; $399.99, pretty much everywhere. I'd wait a few months, maybe a little longer, see if that price drops.

I'm not sure that it's exactly the right cross-over product at the right time. The Boss GT-100 is just $100 more, and you have access to every type of effect within the GT-series MFX, not just 6 onboard effects + three outboard pedals. Andy Summers, no less, says that we're living in the Golden Age of pedals, right now, and he should know. OTOH, more people are moving to VST's and iOS Apps, for a lot less money than $400. It'll be interesting to see if this thing takes off, or if it becomes a blow-out item in six months.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/08/17 06:16 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I'm sitting in a Thai restaurant eating breakfast. Never been to this one before, and it's gooood.

But the owner is watching something online that seems to be a talent or variety show, but right now sounds disconcertingly like a Miku Stomp demo vid. I almost shot noodles out of my nose...


Haahh! crazy laugh grin thu
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/08/17 11:43 PM
Mo' good stuff...


Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 06/12/17 07:14 PM
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 06/14/17 12:25 PM
Such a great - not to mention obvious - name for a comp that I can't believe it hasn't been used before now:

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/14/17 02:01 PM
Hugo- while there are a LOT of very worthy compressor pedals of a number of types out there, this EH Corset is SUPER CHEAP- I mean, the price is VERY low- a great deal, huh?

Now...

KEV WANT... !!


Both the Belle Epoch Deluxe, and the Epoch Pre...


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Posted By: Danzilla Re: cool new effects - 06/14/17 03:48 PM
I would like to see a comparison of the EH Tone Corset* and their Soul Preacher, which wasn't released that long ago and got good reviews. I guess the main difference is the Blend knob on the Tone Corset.



*Yes, that is a great name
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 06/14/17 03:56 PM
Originally Posted By: Danzilla
I would like to see a comparison of the EH Tone Corset and their Soul Preacher, which wasn't released that long ago and got good reviews. I guess the main difference is the Blend knob on the Tone Corset.


I haven't used either of these pedals, but having a blend control, for parallel compression, makes a HUGE difference in clarity, & even more than the Attack parameter, IMO, helps preserve natural attacks. It gets you a lot closer to what a good studio compressor can do, as far as not emasculating the attack of the notes.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/14/17 04:07 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: Danzilla
I would like to see a comparison of the EH Tone Corset and their Soul Preacher, which wasn't released that long ago and got good reviews. I guess the main difference is the Blend knob on the Tone Corset.


I haven't used either of these pedals, but having a blend control, for parallel compression, makes a HUGE difference in clarity, & even more than the Attack parameter, IMO, helps preserve natural attacks. It gets you a lot closer to what a good studio compressor can do, as far as not emasculating the attack of the notes.


Let's hope that it also loses a lot of the noise that the old EH compressssorrsss put out, too...
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 06/15/17 11:01 AM
I was wondering how long it was going to take for that Belle Epoch box to show up here, hahahaha.

Anyway, this came out 3 months ago, but it just crossed my internet path today. Roots/rockabilly players take note!







Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 06/19/17 02:00 PM
This is 9 months old, but I just came across it so here ya go.



This device probably should've gotten its own thread, but whatevs. My curiosity's definitely piqued.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/22/17 03:38 PM
A Keeley trio:





Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/26/17 06:04 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
I was wondering how long it was going to take for that Belle Epoch box to show up here, hahahaha.

Anyway, this came out 3 months ago, but it just crossed my internet path today. Roots/rockabilly players take note!





Hey! I really like that Milkman Slapback & Boost pedal! That's sweet, and would be a really nice pedal for a small, simple, convenient yet versatile rig. I'd love to have one even if I wasn't going to use it all of the time- it'd be a good pedal to have on hand.

Sort of like the Nocturne Mystery Brain in basic concept...


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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/27/17 02:59 PM
Not exactly new, but not yet posted here; for Caev:
Posted By: Danzilla Re: cool new effects - 06/27/17 05:54 PM
And just when everyone's plunked down their compressor budget on the EH Tone Corset, they come along and release the Platform compressor (and then some). And play some King Crimson licks with it to draw you in deeper.


So many pedals, so little money...
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 06/27/17 09:41 PM



...I can haz Platform?
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 06/29/17 12:36 AM
You'd love a VFE Bumblebee feeding your favorite overdrives, distortions, and tube-amps, especially with some judicious echo and/or reverb. The VFE White Horse optical compressor, too, as far as squeeze goes.

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
...I can haz Platform?
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 07/01/17 12:22 AM
Watching this space:
http://www.godlyke.com/totally-wycked-audio-effects-pedals/hand-built/krytical-mass

(So new, there aren't even demo vids up yet.)

A taste of the pedal it was based on:
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 07/01/17 01:45 PM
Local company bringing the dirt:

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 07/01/17 04:30 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
...having a blend control, for parallel compression, makes a HUGE difference in clarity, & even more than the Attack parameter, IMO, helps preserve natural attacks. It gets you a lot closer to what a good studio compressor can do, as far as not emasculating the attack of the notes.


MUCH AGREED. (In as far as I can say without much experience with true "studio compressors".) While I've found that generally 'Ross'/'Orange Squeezer'/'Dynacomp' type pedal-compressors can be MAGICAL with a Telecaster or Stratocaster style axe with single-coil pickups, they don't work as well with Les Paul/Gibsoneque instruments with humbuckers (P-90's may or may not figure here). Featuresome optical compressor-pedals yield FAR better results for my Les Paul and its hot humbuckers!

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Watching this space:
http://www.godlyke.com/totally-wycked-audio-effects-pedals/hand-built/krytical-mass

(So new, there aren't even demo vids up yet.)


Looks to be very promising! There is growing number of Totally Wycked Audio offerings that I'm increasingly interested in...
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 07/14/17 10:55 AM
This is so cool on several levels:

Blend Friend: STUDENT-DESIGNED RESONANT FUZZ

It's a Tone Bender-style fuzz with a clean-blend and resonant filter...

Quote:
I had the privilege of working with two interns - Sebastian & Reed - from Tacoma's School of the Arts during the 2016-17 school year. They spent the second half of the year developing their own, unique guitar pedal. Even though school is now out for the summer, these two have come in to the shop to finish what they started.


Quote:
Out of the $129 price, VFE takes home roughly $4 in profit. The rest of the money goes towards paying the students who designed and built the pedals, as well as the prototyping & parts costs of the pedals themselves.

VFE Pedals stands behind the quality of their workmanship with our standard 1-year warranty.


I suspect that there could have been a lot more to demonstrate in this video here such as use of the clean blend, the resonant filter, and dynamic response ("clean-up"), but it gives a basic idea...

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Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 07/14/17 01:24 PM
@Caevan - Resonant Filters can get wa-a-ay out there; my Subdecay Prometheus is a Resonant Filter effect. Depending on how its voiced, you may not be able to get classic Auto-Wah sounds out of it, but you can get some startling Filter swells, that rise up and expand like bubbles of swamp gas; really, that's the best comparison I could come up with, and when you hear the sound I'm talking about, you'll just nod and say, "Yeah, swamp gas."
Posted By: Piktor Re: cool new effects - 07/15/17 08:08 PM
I wonder how this will pan out: http://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/nanotechnology-guitar-pedal-university-alberta-1.4198236
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 07/16/17 01:30 AM
Nifty!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 07/16/17 02:18 AM


Interesting...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 07/17/17 10:48 AM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite


Interesting...


I'm all in favor of the idea, but . . .

I've been able to get 'warm' Guitar tones out of digital gear for years? It's just a matter of using your ears, and tweaking the sounds. The most "sterile" Amp sound I've ever heard came out of a Roland JC-120, which has all-Analog components.

Anyone checked out the EHX Analogizer? Similar idea, but a very different circuit.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 07/17/17 11:59 AM
It looks like it's more about making an SS amp sound as good as a tube amp by using the new pedal with the new nano-circuit. I think there is very little to support the claim in the article, like blind testing the two amps with studio pros perhaps. Boss and Fender sounds like a good choice for their future production ideas. I will look forward to the reviews when they come out...it is interesting and I hope it is successful. I'm wondering why they didn't try building this circuitry into the guitars instead? cool
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 07/17/17 12:12 PM
@Larryz - It would help to be able to hear what it does, rather than reading about it. Boss & Fender already ventured into this territory, to a degree, when Boss issued pedal models of the Bassman and '63 Reverb. They got very good reviews when they came out, then, poof, they were gone?

I can see a big market for this circuit in consumer electronics, as the article suggests; they might even be able to make those digital assistants sound more, well, human.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 07/17/17 06:15 PM
@ Winston, +1 some audio samples and comparisons would be nice! There have been pedals by Fender and modeling amps/pedals by Boss, Line6, Fender, Tech21, etc., trying to get that warm tube sound and they do get close. This new circuit may have hit the target, but we haven't heard any samples yet LOL! The cost of maintaining a tube amp doesn't bother me. When gigging back in the day, you did have to check that the tubes were up in their sockets when traveling those back country roads. But, my old Twin Reverb held up extremely well. Weight would be a big consideration as most SS amps are lighter to pack around with just a pedal, than hauling that Twin all over hell and back LOL! cool
Posted By: Danzilla Re: cool new effects - 07/20/17 06:03 PM
I came across Idiot Box Effects on Prymaxe. I'm more amused by the names and graphics on the pedals than the effects themselves, though the Mad Doctor Stutter and Dimension X Delay sound kind of cool.

One of the more daring of us should do the Mystery Effect Pre-order just to see what box of weirdness they send you.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 07/20/17 06:31 PM
Agreed about their pedal graphics- some make me giggle. laugh

Been looking at their Static Fuzz for a while...


And the Dungeon Master ticks SOOOOO many boxes for me!
1) doomy fuzz? Check!
2) old TST-era D&D font for the name? Check!
3) Atari 2600 Adventure! dragon & sword graphics? Check!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 07/20/17 10:06 PM
You wanna sound like you're torturing a 70's keyboard player? IdiotBox gots ya back!

Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 07/21/17 02:00 AM
That is without a doubt the most irritating pedal I've ever heard.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 07/21/17 02:16 AM
laugh
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 07/21/17 12:04 PM
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
That is without a doubt the most irritating pedal I've ever heard.


Worse than this?

Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 07/21/17 12:05 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
You wanna sound like you're torturing a 70's keyboard player? IdiotBox gots ya back!



Oh, hell, where can I find one? I can see putting that between the Bad Comrade and the Prometheus . . .
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 07/21/17 01:20 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
That is without a doubt the most irritating pedal I've ever heard.


Worse than this?



Winston, you pose an inextricable quandary: which of the truly awful is truly the awfulest? And, is there a meaningful distinction between irritating & annoying?
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 07/21/17 02:34 PM
Scott, whatever you do, don't watch this.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 07/21/17 02:35 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
You wanna sound like you're torturing a 70's keyboard player? IdiotBox gots ya back!



Oh, hell, where can I find one? I can see putting that between the Bad Comrade and the Prometheus . . .


AFAIK, they take direct orders. Haven't seen one in the wild.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 07/22/17 12:41 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Scott, whatever you do, don't watch this.


@Dannyalcatraz - That thing sounds a lot like the Ring Mod->Bad Comrade->Prometheus signal chain.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 07/23/17 12:26 PM
Which is probably a lot easier to assemble, given the Metasonix's rarity.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 07/27/17 02:36 PM
cutest multiFX pedal ever?

Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 07/27/17 03:26 PM
@ Hugo, Thanks, That Mooer Red Truck is very cute. I like the ease of tweaking and remembering and calling up the setups and many of the different sounds you can get. Cool idea in a very portable multi. cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 08/13/17 11:16 AM
got any old cassettes lying around?

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 08/13/17 11:46 AM
Not sure I'd want to submit my poor old semi-irreplaceable cassettes to that kind of physical abuse.

OTOH, if the device recorded your cassette- maybe storing a dozen + at a time- and manipulated the "virtual cassettes" in the same fashion? That i'd dig.

Cool idea, though!
Posted By: Scott Fraser Re: cool new effects - 08/13/17 12:02 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
got any old cassettes lying around?


A friend of mine has one of these. He sent me some clips which were between slightly interesting & cool, depending on the source cassette. The main problem is the knob. At the very least it needs to be a larger detented knob, like those used for jog/shuttle operations on video editors. Better yet would be something much larger, with enough mass to spin like a flywheel. My friend has tried various sized plates taped over the knob in order to get a more tactile interaction with the device. The guy who makes these seems pretty open to the feedback my friend has given him, so there may be options in the future.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 08/13/17 05:03 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
got any old cassettes lying around?



First thought that comes to me is that this thing should ALWAYS be plugged into a Sampler/Looper/Recorder so you can capture the sound, and play it back later by triggering it with another device. That would give you the 'virtual cassette' aspect, plus the ability to store and play back the best sounds it produced, without further wear & tear on the cassettes.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 08/16/17 01:45 PM
This pedal was made to play Interstellar Overdrive!

Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 08/23/17 04:04 PM
Continuing with evil noisemakers . . .

Data Corrupter

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 08/25/17 01:58 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Continuing with evil noisemakers . . .

Data Corrupter



Nice demo here, too...

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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 08/30/17 09:10 PM
Here's a nifty delay from Walrus:



Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 09/03/17 12:44 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Here's a nifty delay from Walrus:





Niiiiiiiice... .. . . . .
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 09/16/17 12:14 PM
beat box, guitar style:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 09/22/17 04:53 AM
I think someone already posted a video of the Catalinbread Belle Epoch Deluxe. However, with a trio of fun techniques to use with it, heeeeeeere's Howard!

Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 09/27/17 10:08 PM
People are digging all kinds of things out of that Belle; thing's an instant legend.

moving on...I like this. A lot.


Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/05/17 03:24 AM
This guy made a SECOND Miku + Rainbow Machine vid...with additional pedals

Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 10/05/17 04:14 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
This guy made a SECOND Miku + Rainbow Machine vid...with additional pedals



Too much fun; almost makes me want the Rainbow Machine. I do run my MIKU through Delay & Verb, for a little 'air' around the sound, and I have set up a Patch in my Line 6 M5 that's essentially a "Shimmer" effect (Reverb + Octave) for it to 'sing' through.

He's probably right about the harmonic series coming out of the Distortion pedal.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/05/17 06:40 PM
Well, I have a RM but no Miku.

Lordy...we need to pick a city between Baltimore and Dallas, toting all our gear, and just see how many goofy & insane noises we can make before we create an auditory singularity, destroying the world.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/05/17 06:42 PM
Speaking of the RM, I've found a few more videos that are better at showing the true musicality and power of the pedal:


Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 10/06/17 10:18 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Well, I have a RM but no Miku.

Lordy...we need to pick a city between Baltimore and Dallas, toting all our gear, and just see how many goofy & insane noises we can make before we create an auditory singularity, destroying the world.


I'm in . . .
Posted By: Danzilla Re: cool new effects - 10/06/17 10:36 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Well, I have a RM but no Miku.

Lordy...we need to pick a city between Baltimore and Dallas, toting all our gear, and just see how many goofy & insane noises we can make before we create an auditory singularity, destroying the world.


I'm in . . .


About 10 years ago, a bunch of us from the Low Down Lowdown got together to make a joyful noise, and it was quite a blast. Not sure how far I'd be able to go, but would certainly consider such an event.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 10/06/17 09:42 PM
Bastl Instruments is perhaps best known for their very powerful series of micro-synths. This is them going big with an incredible delay system:

[s][/s]
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/07/17 05:26 AM
Looks cool...sounds cool!
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 10/28/17 03:15 AM
Some stuff popped up on my radar:

ThorpyFX Chain Home


DBA Evil Filter
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 11/29/17 08:27 PM
Chase Bliss' latest; your fave retailer is probably taking pre-orders for it right now.

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 11/29/17 09:28 PM
OooooOOOOOooooh!
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/09/17 12:48 AM
u lookin' for that '70s Fripp tone, u might have to check this out:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/09/17 07:00 AM
I like that!

Another Buzzaround-inspired pedal is the ARC Effects Crimson King:
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/09/17 10:41 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
Chase Bliss' latest; your fave retailer is probably taking pre-orders for it right now.



I'm usually not so crazy about most chorus effects; this, however, could be useful.

The PGS video demo above seems to focus primarily on pretty standard, typical sounds- the following demo-vid touches more on what I would be looking (and listening) for in what this pedal is capable of:


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Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/09/17 02:47 PM
I love Knobs videos.
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/10/17 11:43 PM
OK, not an effects pedal, but here’s something you regular giggers might find useful.
https://www.thegigrig.com/three2one
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/12/17 10:49 PM
Not new, but I missed this’n!


Looks like Digitech has had some kind of awakening. They’ve released some nifty pedals the past couple of years.
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/13/17 04:06 PM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
OK, not an effects pedal, but here’s something you regular giggers might find useful.
https://www.thegigrig.com/three2one


Looks useful. As does their automated knob twiddling devices...

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Not new, but I missed this’n!


Looks like Digitech has had some kind of awakening. They’ve released some nifty pedals the past couple of years.


Yeah, they've come a lot closer to piquing my interest here and there, than they had in a long time. Gotta say they seem to be a GREAT company when it comes to customer service and support.

That sounds pretty good in that video; still, I really want a Fulltone MDV2 or MDV3 (most likely the latter) when I get around to scoring a real 'Vibe sometime. INCREDIBLE sound and features!

The 'Vibe modeling in my Boss RT-20 Leslie/rotary sim pedal is good enough to wet the appetite for a real-deal optical 'Vibe with a foot-treadle for controlling the speed...
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/14/17 12:22 AM
As you may recall, I have one of those RT-20s as well. Killer!

But that Ventura takes up a HELLUVA lot less real estate!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 12/14/17 12:33 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite


Yeah, they've come a lot closer to piquing my interest here and there, than they had in a long time. Gotta say they seem to be a GREAT company when it comes to customer service and support.


I can attest to that; truly exemplary customer service & support.

IMHO, Digitech has always been the Rodney Dangerfield of Effects, never quite getting the respect they deserve.

Picked up two recent Digitech pedals, in the last few months, a new Freqout and a gently used Dirty Robot, and I've been very happy with both. You want Fripp-like tones, put the Freqout in front of a nice OD/Dist pedal, and go wild.
Posted By: Larryz Re: cool new effects - 12/14/17 12:46 PM
+1 on Digitech...My looper has been a great practice tool for many years and is still going strong! a Great company with great quality for the price... cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/18/17 02:29 PM
I don't even know what to say about this:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/18/17 07:11 PM
I know what to say...

YES!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 12/20/17 10:35 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
I don't even know what to say about this:





Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
I know what to say...

YES!


Tha's cool 'n' all, and I'm a BIG fan of Peter Rutter and VFE, owning four of his creations, one of which is a serious MVP for MY signature style and sound; but-

-sometimes I have to ask, such as when looking at something such as this- how much time do I want spend experimenting with pedals and cables and settings, and how much time do I want to spend playing... ?
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/20/17 12:22 PM
Well...for me, there’s not a heckuva lot of difference. smile
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 12/20/17 12:58 PM
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
-sometimes I have to ask, such as when looking at something such as this- how much time do I want spend experimenting with pedals and cables and settings, and how much time do I want to spend playing... ?


Had to respond, brother.

Like Dannyalcatraz says, for me, there's not a lot of difference. I tend to approach Guitar & SFX much the way I approach Sound Design in a Synthesizer, where each component, or pedal, is part of the whole, and influences the final output.

The beauty of something like the Klein Bottle is the ability to further integrate a group of effects into a sort of dynamic meta-system, the way some of the effects chains in the Lexicon Vortex work. Instead of having a pedal chain that runs Filter -> Modulation -> Delay, you get a process that blends Filter, Modulation & Delay. Imagine the Attack Delay on your Bumblebee influencing one of your Strymon boxes, which then influenced your RT-20, so all of them worked essentially as one big FX processor.

If I had $400 to spare, I could easily see blending a handful of my favorite pedals in this box, and that's before I start adding Synths. The one issue is that I'd really like to experiment with one IRL, to see exactly how flexible it is. Clearly, it's more than just a simple Mixer, but I don't quite see how it gets the different effects to interact?

I have to wonder if anyone has come up with a similar concept, involving a controller/interface for pedals with an Expression Pedal Input? The box would have multiple CV/Exp Outs, with internal LFO's or Gates. It seems like something that would come out the Modular Synth world, but be very useful for Guitar effects.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 12/20/17 08:05 PM
"A CV version of this" is exactly where my mind went, too. It would be an interesting way to create a sort of limited programmability. smile
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 12/21/17 11:27 AM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
"A CV version of this" is exactly where my mind went, too. It would be an interesting way to create a sort of limited programmability. smile


There is this thing, but I seem to recall a slightly smaller, simpler version of the same box, when the MoogerFoogers first came out?

Moog CV Controller

Quick update: It seems that I was thinking of an earlier version of the same unit, where some of the jack covers were red, instead of all-black.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 12/26/17 04:16 PM
Not entirely new, but I hadn't seen it until recently, and Caevan, I thought of you.

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 12/26/17 05:05 PM
Nice!
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 12/29/17 11:43 AM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
I have to wonder if anyone has come up with a similar concept, involving a controller/interface for pedals with an Expression Pedal Input? The box would have multiple CV/Exp Outs, with internal LFO's or Gates. It seems like something that would come out the Modular Synth world, but be very useful for Guitar effects.


Here's the closest thing I could find.

Copilot FX Broadcast
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 01/23/18 07:19 PM
Start diggin' thru them couch cushions!



...and that Strymon modular delay is finally here!

Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 01/26/18 07:34 PM
@hurricane hugo - many thanks for the Zola video! You've inspired me to dig back into my GT-10, which has a bunch of (more or less) hidden LFO's & Triggers. It probably won't let me do everything we see and hear from the Zola, but it'll be fun finding out! (Maybe if I link it to the Pigtronix Filter Pro via MIDI?)
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 01/29/18 06:01 PM
Not entirely new, it's a more compact version of one of the coolest toys out . . . and I do mean Out There

Pigtronix Mothership 2

Of course, if that's too tame for you . . .

Pigtronix RIngmaster

And here they are in action . . . Skip ahead to 3:15.

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 01/29/18 09:08 PM


My pants will never be the same.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 02/14/18 09:46 PM
this looks like fun. smile

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/15/18 02:58 AM
Just looking at that and some of the other pedals in this thread, it seems we’re THIS close to being able to recreate all of the psychedelic sounds of 1960-1990, only using guitarists!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 02/16/18 03:02 AM
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Just looking at that and some of the other pedals in this thread, it seems we’re THIS close to being able to recreate all of the psychedelic sounds of 1960-1990, only using guitarists!


Indeed. cool
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 02/16/18 09:32 PM
and now for something completely different from most of what gets featured 'round these parts:

Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 02/16/18 10:08 PM
I luv David Koltai!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/02/18 08:57 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
and now for something completely different from most of what gets featured 'round these parts:



Hmmmm... That my be JUST the thing for my hollowbody Jazz/R&B axe, that is prone to rumble and howl if I'm not careful...
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/02/18 09:19 PM
People forget that the Grateful Dead were very forward-looking, in terms of tech. Yeah, I know, bunch of old hippies . . .

Bob Weir and Jerry Garcia were among the first players to take up the E-Bow, they were both early adapters of MIDI/Synth Guitar, In-ear monitor systems, and of course, there was the notorious "Wall Of Sound", a great concept, not so practical for a band that made most of its money touring. Bobby was also one of the first American artists to perform with a high-quality Japanese Guitar (the Ibanez Artist) at a time when American Guitar companies were pushing back hard against Japanese competition.
Posted By: hurricane hugo Re: cool new effects - 03/14/18 11:47 AM
As someone who's been gigging as a solo singer/songwriter for well over a decade, I'm pretty f-n intrigued by this:

Posted By: Caevan O'Shite Re: cool new effects - 03/14/18 03:15 PM
Originally Posted By: hurricane hugo
As someone who's been gigging as a solo singer/songwriter for well over a decade, I'm pretty f-n intrigued by this:




That's prrretty snazzy, Hugo! Nice. That could be a lot of fun and very useful. The gentleman suggests making a virtual 'band' at home, but I imagine this to be very useful for gigs, solo or with small groups.
Posted By: Winston Psmith Re: cool new effects - 03/18/18 12:59 PM
This is essentially one part of the Super Wizard, the Pitch Shifting part. I'd just missed one of these at my FLUMS, and when I saw another on the GC Used listings, I had to order it. Should be here any day now, so I'll have a full report, but for now . . .

Dwarfcraft Wizard Of Pitch
Posted By: picker Re: cool new effects - 03/18/18 05:51 PM
Just picked up a Danelectro Big Spender rotary speaker emulator. So far, it seems pretty realistic sounding..
Posted By: Dannyalcatraz Re: cool new effects - 03/18/18 07:09 PM
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
This is essentially one part of the Super Wizard, the Pitch Shifting part. I'd just missed one of these at my FLUMS, and when I saw another on the GC Used listings, I had to order it. Should be here any day now, so I'll have a full report, but for now . . .

Dwarfcraft Wizard Of Pitch


I saw that and figured you’d be on it!
Posted By: Caevan O'Shite