Getting Back Into Guitar

Posted by: Fusker

Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 09:12 AM

Shhh...I'm straying from the KB forums and I apologize for the rambling post.

Semi-newbie question as guitar technology has passed me by and I'm probably stuck in circa 1991 as far as guitar rigs are concerned.

I currently have what I consider an embarrassing/dated guitar set up consisting of a red knob Pro 185, a late 80's Fender Strat (HSS-ish that was trying to look different and features a Floyd Rose tremolo, which I personally hate btw), a Crybaby wah, and an old rack effect unit that I'm pretty sure is pretty cheesy ;-)

So I am a keys player, and have fairly high end equipment (Motif, Nord etc.), that I've been using in a rock band context. I want to get back into the guitar as well so I can mix it up and be versatile.

So what I'm looking for is advise on where to begin. As I've aged, I've certainly become used to more high-end equipment. Since I don't plan to give up keys, I'm really looking for starting with a solid rig, that's portable, that won't buzz if I decide to run it through my PA at practice, and is powerful enough for practice to stand on it's own...and that I won't think is crap.

Sounds like the Mustang 3 has pretty good reviews. Coming from the KB world though, it almost seems like it is too inexpensive. I was anticipating paying $800 - $1,000 for an amp, but if a $275 fits the bill, less cash on the amp means more cash for other gear. I do think, given everything I've stated, a modeling solid state may be a good fit for getting back into it. Is there something that is much better in the price range I reference? Is it worth it?

What guitar I'm going to get is another question altogether!

Thanks for listening...
Posted by: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 10:15 AM

With $800-1000 budget, the world is pretty much your oyster as far as finding a quality amp.

From what you say, you probably want an amp that delivers good cleans that you can shape as you see fit. To me, that says some kind of amp from someone like Fender, Vox, Peavey, Carvin (and others)- and my personal prejudice is towards a combo tube amp.

(Yes, there are good solid state amps out there, but I don't know them- someone else will probably jump in the thread with that info.)

Personally, I own a Fender HRD 40w combo, and it has all the power you need to gig and great cleans.

For guitar, I'd upgrade your Strat if you like that body style. Try a HSS or HSH guitar from Fender, Godin, G&L, Fernandes, or similar brand for tonal flexibility.

For effects, there's a world of pedals, but I'm guessing with all of your other stuff, space is going to be at a premium. So you'd either want some new rack effects setup (so you can go vertical) or a good multieffects pedal, and I'd probably go MFX at this point. There are lots offood ones out there, but adding your expertise and probable gear to the mix, I'd go for the DigiTech IPB-10. It uses an iPad* & apps to model a huge number of amps and pedals, and supposedly, they're adding more all the time.

(In addition, incorporating the iPad to your rig- if you haven't already- could let you experiment with things like the ReacTable app.)







* the iPad apparently does NOT need to be attached during performance, just setup.
Posted by: Winston Psmith

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 10:19 AM

Greetings, Fusker, you've found a kindred soul, over here. I'm a guitarist who loves to play synths, as well.

First off, unless you just can't live with the Floyd anymore, there's no reason to abandon your guitar rig. If you've really come to hate the trem, decent MIM (made In Mexico) Strats show up for around $300, used. You probably won't be able to drop a standard Fender trem system back into your guitar, after it's been routed out for a Floyd. The Pro 185 is considered a very good solid-state amp, so unless you want to join the Tube Purist camp ($$$$!), it's worth hanging on to. You've got twin 12's, channel-switching, an effects loop and plenty of headroom. The Crybaby is still an industry standard among Wahs, and it's pretty easy to mod, so again, it's worth hanging on to.

However, if you're looking for a rig you can easily plug into your PA, or a FRFR sound system, you really might want to forgo hauling a guitar amp at all, and look into pedalboard-style multi-effects. I have a ridiculous pedal collection, and a very nice Roland BC-60 Blues Cube, but my quick-&-easy rig is a Boss GT-3 going into a small KC-60, or direct into the PA. Boss, Digitech, Line 6, TC Electronic, Vox and Zoom all make different multi-fx, with a variety of effects and amp models, and different degrees of complexity. If you enjoy programming synths, you'll appreciate the depth & compactness of some multis. The Mustang gets very high marks among guitarists, for tone, variety of effects, and ease of use. You can also use a multi-effect unit in the effects loop of the Pro 185, just turn off any amp modeling, or speaker emulation.

Because of Moore's Law, and outsourcing, multi-effects are much less expensive than they were, 15 or 20 years ago - it's not unusual to find small multis costing $100 or less, with decent, if not really impressive sound sets. Also, the overhead cost on a Chinese-made effects unit is considerably less than on a Yamaha Motif, or a Nord Lead - Korg's MicroKorg is probably a better point of comparison. At $300 to $500, you should expect a lot from a multi-effects unit. Having said that, I'd be interested to know what your old rack unit is, and if it has any of the features you might be looking for in a more up-to-date box.

I'd be happy to continue this discussion, so you can send me a PM, if you like. (Maybe you can tell me why so many KB players seem to hate the Roland KC's, too?) With any luck, Caevan, jimi, Scott Fraser and Harvey will join in, too, they always have good contributions to these discussions.
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 10:25 AM

Definitely want good cleans as I'd be primarily rhythm. Being in the sticks makes it challenging because there is a definite limitation on quality that is nearby.

What I'm getting at with the Mustang question, is it just a case of delivering really good performance "for the price"? Or will it annoy me and I'm better off spending 500$+? I literally just started digging into this today. My first instinct is tube...but it does seem like the modeling technology is mighty tempting from a footprint and ease of transportation perspective.

I'm not foolish enough to think whatever I start with will be the end of the road...ultimately, I'm going to have an array of stuff in the studio.

How are people feeling about the new Gibson Studio's? Such as Studio ? Looks really nice. I have however, only played Fenders in my life...but again, ultimately I plan to start amassing a few guitars. Really looking for some starting pieces in my effort to re-rig.
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 10:33 AM

Great feedback! My bass player actually has been using a Boss module to go straight into the PA...talk about easy set up!

As to the Roland KC's...I think a lot of it is snobbery. They are a pretty standard back-line and work fine as a monitor. Where they fall short is as a standalone, particularly if you are playing piano sounds in a wine-bar type setting. In that scenario, using a good powered speaker such as the K10 offers better results in general...and are much easier to lug.
Posted by: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 12:27 PM

Include me if this goes private- always good to learn something new!

Also, I just thought that a Carvin might deliver you the EXACT axe you want. Since they're customizable, you could get the pickup array & shape you want without dealing with a tremolo.
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 12:42 PM

Big Carvin fan here...believe I currently have 2 mains, 2 monitors, and a power amp all made by Carvin. My bass player has one of their 5 strings and a combo amp as well!
Posted by: Winston Psmith

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 03:54 PM

If you're thinking about spending $1300+ on a guitar, Carvin would essentially build a guitar to your specs - hard to pass up, although you won't get to really check it out until they ship it to you.

Back to price point vs. quality on effects. Unless you're going for one of the TC Electronic G-Systems ($1300+/-), or the Roland VG-99 ($1500+/-), $500-700 should get you all the effects and modeling firepower you need. If you decide to go for one of the new Roland rigs, the GR-55 ($700/$800 w/GK pickup) or the VG-99, you'll need a hex pickup with a 13-pin connector, too. The GR-55 is the latest in their line of Guitar Synths, but they've incorporated a lot of the effects processing and guitar/amp modeling from their other floor processors, as well. It also works as a guitar-to-MIDI converter, which may be of interest to you.

The other potential advantage to a good multi-effects is that you already have a lot of options for a live sound rig, without hauling yet another amp just for guitar. That Pro 185 weighs in at around 60 pounds - my old GT-3 weighs in at around 8, and my newer GT-10, coincidentally, weighs in at right about ten pounds. It also saves me hauling a bunch of pedals, cables & power supplies, with all that they weigh. Even a basic pedal board, with 6 or 8 pedals and a good-sized power supply, weighs a lot more than 8 or 10 pounds.

One warning on the Line 6 POD HD multis - seems like it's pretty easy to max out the DSP in those. The issue came up in another thread, some time ago. Haven't had any experience with the HD's, personally.

BTW, thanks for the word on the KC's. I got my KC-60 for $75 at a local pawn shop, and it's served me well enough that I've thought about moving up the line to a 150 at some point.
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 04:10 PM

If you're a Les Paul kinda player, the Les Paul Studios are fine. Since you strike me as more of a Fender kinda sorta guy, I recommend that one or another Carvin model will better suit you all-around in feel and tone alike.

Now, if you want a brand-new amp, I can heartily recommend the Fender Super-Sonic 22. Its 22 watt rating belies a good, spanky, chuggy LOUD amp, and its two channels are pretty versatile and simple to use, as well. It should be plenty stout-hearted enough for you, especially if you cultivate your 'touch' and 'play the amp' technique- crank it up a little louder than you intend to play, and roll-back your guitar's volume-knob just a tad for perfectly nice clean rhythm playing. (You might not even need to do that much, if you play at more or less 'reasonable' volume-levels.) Remember, a 22 watt tube-amp is generally a LOT louder and stronger than double or more Solid-State watts...

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I used to think that a 60 watt amp was ideal for me, nearly my minimum- but these days I get by with 7 watts quite nicely, albeit 7 all-tube, true Single-Ended Class-A watts. If you're of the same inclination that I used to be, you're partially in luck; there's a Fender Super-Sonic 60, similar to the Super-Sonic 22 but considerably LOUDER, as well- but it's about $300 above your stated budget, unless you score a good deal on a used specimen.

By the way, if you get either of these amps, get a Dunlop "Jimi Hendrix Octavio" pedal, dime both of its knobs, roll your guitar's knob down and bring it up a bit at a time and revel in the saggy, swelling, harmonic-overtone morphing chaos that ensues playing single-note and double-stop leads and fills through the Super-Sonic's "Burn" Channel!

rawk
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 04:39 PM

Nice info!

You know, you're probably right...I think I like the idea of a Gibson, but at heart, it should be a Fender. What made you reach the conclusion I'm a Fender guy? American Standard Strat still the...well standard? Or is there a named model people are gravitating towards?

Have me leaning towards a Fender of some type and the Fender HRD3 at this point. Lots of good tips guiding my research.
Posted by: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 05:05 PM

You've held on to a Fender this long...stands to reason you like SOMETHING about it!
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Fusker
Nice info!

You know, you're probably right...I think I like the idea of a Gibson, but at heart, it should be a Fender. What made you reach the conclusion I'm a Fender guy?


I figure, a keys player used to SS amps and a Fender Strat, that doesn't like the Floyd Rose, probably wants spanky attack, definition, a fair amount of brightness but with chunk, and the tauter feel (both for picking and fretting hands) of a Fender-ish, long-ish scale-length axe. If you're used to Fenders, Gibsons can sometimes feel and sound a little weird, like they're a little muffled, too rounded, and short and claustrophobic; and the greater contrast among the variety of sounds from a Strat's pickup-selector can make it seem like there's little or no change in the three selections between two humbuckers. Gibsons and similar guitars aren't really like that, of course- they're just different from Fenders and require a different hand and ear.

I do think that you'd like a Carvin, though. Many- perhaps most- of their models strike a nice balance-point between Fender and Gibson feel and tone, with definition and attack that's more like a Fender, even with humbuckers- more of a crisp chunk, if you will.

I'd bet that a nice custom-ordered dual-humbucker or H-S-S Carvin with an ebony fretboard, played through a Fender Super-Sonic 22 or 60, would suit you very well- clean, overdriven, or screamin'.
Posted by: Larryz

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 08:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Fusker
Big Carvin fan here...believe I currently have 2 mains, 2 monitors, and a power amp all made by Carvin. My bass player has one of their 5 strings and a combo amp as well!


Most keyboard players like going direct to a PA, so you might check out the Fender Mustang Floor pedal which has all the same modeling as the Mustang III amp, but you don't have to pack the amp. It has L/R xlr outs and all of my guitars sound great through my Carvin PA and Fishman PA's using the Floor pedal. You can also use it at home with your existing amp to practice with, and it cost the same or less than the Mustang III. I would go for the III, if I needed an amp, but the Floor sounds great through my tube and SS guitar amps as well.
Posted by: bourniplus

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 08:46 PM

Hey Fusker, I'm gonna tell the guys over at the keyboard corner laugh

I haven't read all the responses, but I can only advise getting an amp modeler/multi-fx like a Line6 Pod. When you have a gig and play both keys and guitar, the guitar amp might be the piece of gear that's just too much. When I do a keys/guitar gig, I usually only bring the pod for the guitar. And for a more guitar-oriented gig, then I bring a tube amp and the pod as a backup.
my 02c.
Posted by: russclan

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/07/12 08:48 PM

I'll second Caev's recommendation for the SS22. It will likely be my next amp purchase, hopefully next year.

As far as the LP Studio, don't let its stripped-down appearance fool you...they are top-notch guitars, imo. Bought mine new in '93 and would never consider selling it. I'd assume they're built just as well now (though mine has an ebony fretboard - dunno if that's still an option) as they were then. Differences are (and forgive me if I miss some - doing this from memory): no binding (on neck or body), very limited color choice, no flashy figured tops, and a painted logo (as opposed to the inlaid m.o.p.)...and I believe that's it. Same basic body/neck wood, same hardware and electronics.
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/08/12 06:56 AM

O0O0O0OH... ! I JUST saw where you can get a used/Excellent Condition Fender Super-Sonic "Vibrolux/Bassman" (the previous Super-Sonic version/model) with a Celestion Vintage 30 12" in it for $895. I've known the store-owner for decades, he's a real stand-up guy. If 60 watts isn't too much power for you, this amp would do you VERY well. If you're genuinely serious about it, I could check the amp out live and in person and tell you what I think... (I stand to gain nothing from this if you buy it, by the way... )

Ithaca Guitar Works

Originally Posted By: Ithaca Guitar Works
Fender Super-Sonic, 2006, this professional series amp is in the blond Tolex with Ox blood grill, 1 X 12" Celestion Vintage 30 speaker, channel switching and 2 amp modes; "65" Vibrolux, "66" Bassman in either clean or overdrive modes, 2 cascading gain controls in the overdrive channel, 60 all tube watts, includes cover and tilt back legs, EXC $895
Posted by: Larryz

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/08/12 09:43 AM

Yeah, when I get to go down to the Guitar store and fire up a Fender Super-Sonic, I stand to gain nothing either...You know you have to go down there now and tell us what you think of that amp Caevan! Have fun with it... smile
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/08/12 10:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Larryz
Yeah, when I get to go down to the Guitar store and fire up Fender Super-Sonic, I stand to gain nothing either...You know you have to go down there now and tell us what you think of that amp Caevan! Have fun with it... smile


Oh, there's lot's of gain, on-tap... rimshot thu

Seriously, having plugged into several, I already know that the whole Fender Super-Sonic line are winners, a BIG improvement over the Hot Rod Deluxe and DeVille line. I just meant that if Fusker is very serious about it, I can check this specific one out concerning the state of its tubes, speaker, etc. and report back. If Chris (the store-owner) posts that it's in Excellent Condition, I am confident that it IS in excellent condition, but if Fusker (or anyone else who is serious about buying the amp) wants, I would be willing to kick the tires, take it for a test-drive with a guitar similar to their own, and give a full and impartial report...
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/08/12 10:45 AM

LOL - I'm still a few months out at this point on the amp. I'll probably get a new guitar first. That's a pretty sweet deal though! You're makin' me lean SS though!
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/08/12 10:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Fusker
LOL - I'm still a few months out at this point on the amp. I'll probably get a new guitar first. That's a pretty sweet deal though!


Yeah, it is, and I immediately thought of you when I spotted it in the line-up... thu cool

Keep me posted, check back at that link, too, who knows how long they might have it there- great amp, good deal, but they have a LOT of amps in stock, new and used, and I suspect that things are, unfortunately, moving more slowly than they'd like. It might sit there for a while! Or, it might get snapped-up or traded for.

Again, I'm NOT in cahoots with IGW or Fender, I don't "sell" things here- just ask other Forum members here. I just shoot straight and tell the truth on gear recommendations.
Posted by: Bluesape

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 04:43 AM

I have a white Studio with the ebony board, and its tone, playability, and compact size have made it the axe I almost always gig with, and I have a sizable collection of Holy Grail guitars. It, and a good Strat or Godin Freeway Classic can cover all the sonic bases I need. I would keep the Strat you have, and acquire something that contrasts with its sound, with a Studio offering the best high quality bang for the buck, IMHO. Add a good Tele down the road, and you'll have every sound you'll ever need, short of the specific jazz archtop tone that really can't be gotten with solid bodies.
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 09:22 AM

All good points, maybe I'll throw some $$ at my current Strat and see if it helps. Could be a good project actually. To be clear though, it is one of these "Strat"
but in black...not my cup of tea!
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 09:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Fusker
All good points, maybe I'll throw some $$ at my current Strat and see if it helps. Could be a good project actually. To be clear though, it is one of these "Strat"
but in black...not my cup of tea!


Y' know what, I recommend that you DON'T 'throw some $$ at your current Strat'- it'd fast become a money-hole that won't satisfy you, ever. Not because there's anything wrong with or bad about that guitar, but because it's like trying to modify a '79 Corvette when you find you want a '50 Mercury.

Maybe I'm wrong; but...

Tell me, what would you be changing on this Strat, what would you be spending money on?
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 09:59 AM

First thoughts are a new neck to get rid of the head, not to mention the neck is beat to hell as it's the original. But, I also don't care for the Bridge/trem, and I should probably evaluate the pick-ups as well....so you may be right, could be a big money pit.
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 10:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Fusker
First thoughts are a new neck to get rid of the head, not to mention the neck is beat to hell as it's the original. But, I also don't care for the Bridge/trem, and I should probably evaluate the pick-ups as well....so you may be right, could be a big money pit.


Sounds like the guy who had inherited George Washington's hatchet, the one he chopped down the cherry tree with; only the handle had split and gotten splintery, so it had been replaced with a new one that was carved to fit the owner's hand; and then someone had replaced the head, which had gotten rusty, chipped and pitted... still had the ribbon, by George!
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 11:40 AM

I've lost track, does someone here have the Fender SS-22? If so, how's it going? What are the feelings on the single speaker?
Posted by: CEB

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 02:27 PM

I prefer the single speaker. I play a Boogie 1-12 combo 50 watt Dual Caliber. It has always worked great but it lacks audio taper at the bottom level. On 2 thing is still too loud sometimes. On 3 or 4 it peels paint.

If I had to buy a new amp I am really liking the Express 5-25 Combo from Mesa right now. .... but there are a lot of good amps I just happen to be a Mesa Boogie guy. Been playing them and OLD Fenders forever.

For $1000 I like the new AC30 but they are heavy and it sounds like VOX, so you would either like it or you really won't like it. AC-15 may be a more sensible amp but if I get a VOX I would probably want the whole tamale. But Vox make some of the modeler thingies that will not sound like a Vox if you don't want it too.

If you want a lot of bottom end crunch a sealed back cabinet Maybe the way to go. Blackstars sound good in the store but I don't how they hold up and how they behave live.

It depends on what you want to play.
Posted by: Bluesape

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 02:38 PM

Your guitar is out of production. Fender was trying to answer the competitions' various "Super Strats" with one of their own - a bad gamble. An actual Stratocaster is a different sounding and feeling guitar, and is the most successful, most copied, most emulated, and most versatile guitar ever built. Not bashing yours, but as a discontinued item, as a result of poor sales, Caev's right: don't toss money into it; you won't get it back out if you decide to sell it. It's a good guitar for the metal/grunge scene, and will always be a perfectly adequate backup axe just as it is, questionable neck and all. The trem can be blocked, which would be more appropriate for rhythm anyway.
Posted by: Bluesape

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 02:44 PM

Single speakers are more than adequate, and a godsend in terms of weight and compactness.
Posted by: CEB

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 02:48 PM

Guitars are such a personal thing. One man's treasure is another man's ****. Right now my main guitar is Chinese Fender cheapo Tele. Jack and the wiring were trash I had to fix that but I've left the rest stock.

It is an ultra lightweight Tele with a contour cut. A coil tapped humbucky in the bridge a Strat pickup in the middle and a Tele pickup in the neck. I have some high dollar stuff but I really like this cheap light guitar. Neck plays nice for me.
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 02:53 PM

Good stuff guys!

I'm definitely leaning Strat now, question remains which model. I'll try out the American Standard for sure. Going to have to decide if something like this Select or this Deluxe is worth the pretty penny.
Posted by: CEB

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 02:59 PM

If it is Fender stuff then try them all! By tradition control specs at Fender were always loose. That is the beauty of them. You can find heavy Strats, light Strats ect... They are all different. There is one for everybody. grin Traditionally a Les Paul was a Les Paul. In in 1979 a Les Paul Standard weight 15.82746 pounds. (just kidding but yes much tighter specs)

A $500 may play nicer for you than a $1400 American. But the electronics are better the more you pay.
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 03:02 PM

Yeah, I've found that to be the case from a PA perspective. A guitar player I work with swears up and down that her MIM Strat is just as good, yet it always buzzes when run through the PA. This is obviously a non-scientific finding wink
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 03:11 PM

So here's another approach I'll try since you guys are so helpful.

Let's say you could spend up to $2,000 on a guitar and/or a guitar and amp. Keeping in mind that you (or I in this case) currently have a solid state Pro-185 that could fill until I'm ready buy a tube amp. What would you do?

I think one could swing a Standard and a SS-22 for right around $2k...which would be pretty damn nice and not something I would turn down if offered right now. Or would you pony up for a Select or Deluxe now, and get the tube amp 4-6 months down the road?

I realize this is highly personalized and I intend to try them out (assuming the GC 70 miles up the road has them in stock)...but I'm curious on the feedback.
Posted by: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 03:41 PM

There are a lot of things on MY ist to buy for $2000, but right now, this minute, if I didn't own what I already do...


Fret-King Super 60 (either HSS or PSS) in Electric Orange metallic (on sale now!)
http://www.fretsguitarcentre.co.uk/conte...e_Metallic.html

Orange TH30 1x12 Combo
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TH30Combo/

...and maybe get a Cincinatti Bengals Jersey, orange tennis shoes with black laces and a Tiger head hat to round things out.

...perform as Tony D. Tyger.
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 03:43 PM

LOL - Orange is your thing...
Posted by: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 03:53 PM

Actually, blue is my favorite color, closely followed by purple, and I'm a Saints fan living in D/FW.


...but I've been thinking about an Orange amp (better for metal than my Fender HRD combo) for about a year now, and that Fret-King showed up on my radar when it was suggested to someone else in a "Which guitar should I buy?" thread much like this one on another site.

The pieces all clicked together in my head...if I were in a stage, it would be hard for me not to be visible kitted out like that.

Besides, that Fret-King is essentially on sale for 50% off...
Posted by: CEB

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 04:12 PM

My philosophy is you find the guitar that most suits your needs then find the amp that most suits the character of the guitar. A sweet rig I used around 85 was 2 Peavey Bandit 65s in Stereo but i was using Teles and Strats playing country. But that rig hated hot humbuckers

If i had $2000 to spend on guitar gear there is a nice ESP Les Paul Goldtop copy I can get a good deal on for $600. Then I would see if I could manage a Boogie Express 5-50 combo for $1400
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/13/12 08:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Fusker
I've lost track, does someone here have the Fender SS-22? If so, how's it going? What are the feelings on the single speaker?


I don't own one, but I had a blast with one in a store; they let me crank it up in a semi-soundproof room with a Tele with P-90's, and I also tried it with an Octavio (vintage-style octave-fuzz pedal). Great amp. A lot louder and tighter than you might expect, too. I think it's got a bit wider cab and baffle than your average 1x12 combo; sounded fine, never made me think "this'd be a lot better with two twelves", and I'm a confirmed 2x12 lover.
Posted by: picker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/14/12 03:33 AM

$2000? I'd buy one of THESE and one of THESE. . They'd get you pretty much anywhere you needed to go.
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/14/12 07:42 AM

Originally Posted By: picker
$2000? I'd buy one of THESE and one of THESE. . They'd get you pretty much anywhere you needed to go.


Good call; and speakin' of Line 6 amps, last Saturday night I heard a guy playing a particularly sweet one-off vintage Mosrite "Gospel Encounters" (built by Semi Mosley for his church group, I'm told- talk about mojo!- he let me touch its headstock thu cool ) through a smallish 1x12 Line 6 modeling-amp of some sort, with a variety of pedals in front of its input; it sounded GREAT! I mean, this guy had fantastic tone! I would have assumed that he was playing through some great tube-amp.
Posted by: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/14/12 08:52 AM

Reverends ARE nice. I want a Double Agent and/or one of the Reeves Gabrels Sig models, personally.
Posted by: CEB

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/14/12 08:58 AM

I like Buckshots and Reeves models. I really like the Buckshot but I'm a Tele guy.
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/14/12 09:01 AM

Those look great!
Posted by: picker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/14/12 08:22 PM

This one looks pretty neat to me too.
Posted by: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/14/12 08:43 PM

This'un don't suck neither:

http://reverendguitars.com/reverend/guitars/signature_series/rick_vito_signature.html
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/17/12 11:13 AM

Okay, a bit of a follow up. In all likelihood, I won't be getting my new rig until my birthday waaaay off in June. In the mean time, if I want drop a couple hundred (X-mas gift) into a little unit so I can go straight into the PA, what (if anything) would people recommend? I poked around on here, but didn't find the magic answer in the forums.

Are things such as Zoom G3X or Zoom 100BT a waste of time?

Or Should I hold out and spend a bit more on something like Line 6 POD

I guess the long and the short of it is, I won't have my cool new rig until June. If in the mean time I want to run my current rig through the PA, is there a $200 (or less) option that would give me some tonal flexibility while I WAIT (and wait and wait and wait)?

Thanks again!
Posted by: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/17/12 11:33 AM

Look into these:

Boss Micro-BR 4 track
http://www.guitarcenter.com/-i1169092.gc

Pocket POD
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Line-6-Pocket-POD-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Processor-104391875-i1173933.gc

Tascam GT-R1
http://www.guitarcenter.com/TASCAM-GT-R1-Portable-Guitar-Bass-Recorder-105125306-i1401677.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/TASCAM-DR-1-GT-R1-Accessory-Kit-105020473-i1402140.gc

Korg Pandora Mini
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pandora...754-i1746466.gc

Korg Px4
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pandora-PX4D-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Processor-103381554-i1124641.gc

Korg Px5
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Korg-Pandora-PX5D-Guitar-Multi-Effects-Processor-104821715-i1387080.gc
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/17/12 11:48 AM

Mustang Floor

Appears to have potential as well
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/17/12 11:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Fusker
Okay, a bit of a follow up. In all likelihood, I won't be getting my new rig until my birthday waaaay off in June. In the mean time, if I want drop a couple hundred (X-mas gift) into a little unit so I can go straight into the PA, what (if anything) would people recommend? I poked around on here, but didn't find the magic answer in the forums.

Are things such as Zoom G3X or Zoom 100BT a waste of time?

Or Should I hold out and spend a bit more on something like Line 6 POD

I guess the long and the short of it is, I won't have my cool new rig until June. If in the mean time I want to run my current rig through the PA, is there a $200 (or less) option that would give me some tonal flexibility while I WAIT (and wait and wait and wait)?

Thanks again!


Between those, the POD, definitely.
Posted by: CEB

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/17/12 12:11 PM

What is street price on the Mustang Floor now?

Disregard you found it. I like these when it comes to this sort of thing.
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/17/12 01:15 PM

Yeah, I like the output options on the Fender as well, would be great for plugging into the PA at practice.
Posted by: russclan

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/17/12 05:13 PM

I'd prob. go with the Mustang over the POD, since you're leaning toward Fender-ish sounds.

Another option, in the same price range:

Posted by: Scott Fraser

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/17/12 07:18 PM

Originally Posted By: russclan



More confirmation of my belief that 99% of the guitar world just can't get enough of way too much distortion.
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/17/12 07:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
More confirmation of my belief that 99% of the guitar world just can't get enough of way too much distortion.


Iddunno, it seems to have a wide range of tones, clean and dirty, and the clean and semi-cleanish examples were all quite nice, as well...
Posted by: Scott Fraser

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/17/12 08:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
More confirmation of my belief that 99% of the guitar world just can't get enough of way too much distortion.


Iddunno, it seems to have a wide range of tones, clean and dirty, and the clean and semi-cleanish examples were all quite nice, as well...


I gave up after 3 or 4 minutes. Sounded thin & fizzy to me, but mainly overly concerned with the distorted end of the spectrum. It's supposed to emulate a type of amp that does clean really well, so I was expecting to hear that kind of sound in the demo.
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/17/12 10:50 PM

Went Mustang Floor....I look forward to opening my present, my wife is so clever buying me a cool gift!

Thanks all!
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/17/12 11:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Fusker
Went Mustang Floor....I look forward to opening my present, my wife is so clever buying me a cool gift!

Thanks all!


Cool, congratulations, enjoy, keep us posted!

Be sure that any speaker compensation or speaker/cab-sim is engaged when going DI to a PA/monitors/keyboard amp, etc.; easy to overlook, and the resulting sound can be awful and perplexing!

By the way, were you going for a 'Sideshow Bob' from The Simpsons look there?

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Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/18/12 12:40 AM

I have no idea what you mean...that's my everyday look! Actually that was just my go-to costume for Halloween for a good 6 - 7 years until the NH mold destroyed my wig and jacket. Just a general 70's stallion look smile

Yeah, I look forward to seeing what the speaker compensation can do when going direct in.
Posted by: russclan

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/18/12 06:36 AM

I think you made a good choice there. I haven't tried one, but the demos I've seen show it turning out some really nice sounds. Grats!
Posted by: Larryz

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/18/12 10:05 AM

There are plenty of Tech21 Blonde demos out there. There are some really clean jazz guys running them through the Fishman Stick PA, which is the main reason I bought one. The 1/4" output looks like highZ but it is a loZ which can go to an amp or direct to the PA. It models the Fender tweed tube amps and also can do a great job as a distortion pedal.

I also have the Mustang Floor and it does a great job going direct to the PA as I pointed out in an earlier post on page 1. You don't have to worry about the speaker sims causing problems as in the Utility mode you select the PA or Amp Combo settings before playing at a gig or before practicing. Fender has already addressed these types of problems for you. One thing I would recommend you do first, is to download and print the online manual to include downloading the Fuse software. The instuctions that come with the pedal are just for startup...You will be amazed at the features available to you. For the price, I would buy the Floor before buying any pedal to include the Tech21 Blonde even though they both do a great job going into amps and/or PA's...The Floor is especially good for keyboard players/singers that also play guitar. Have fun with it! thu
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 12/18/12 10:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Larryz
The Floor is especially good for keyboard players/singers that also play guitar.


And isn't that what it's ALL about? wink

Originally Posted By: Larryz
Have fun with it! thu


Oh, yeah- THAT'S what it's all about! rawk thu grin cool
Posted by: Fusker

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 01/04/13 10:00 AM

Well, got the Mustang Floor and have to say, I'm very impressed! I've just been running it directly into my PA as I shake off the rust and it works very well!

Now as to guitars, was checking out the new Gibsons on-line, and gotta say, something such as Gibson LPS or GLPS Red does really catch my eye. I've only played Fenders, but I've always preferred the look of Gibson. Going have to take a trip up to GC to try them out!

Any words of advise on Gibson's in the up to $2,000 range?
Posted by: Larryz

Re: Getting Back Into Guitar - 01/04/13 11:21 AM

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/gibson-les-paul-traditional-pro-ii-60s-neck-electric-guitar <---take this baby for a spin around the block...