Puzzling Pedal Choice

Posted by: Brandon S

Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/03/12 07:28 PM

Hello everybody. I am looking to ask for another pedal this christmas but I am not sure which one to ask for. I know pedals that I want to get, but I am not sure which pedal is in my best interest to get.
My current build is a MXR M173 classic 108 fuzz, a dunlop crybaby classic, a Big Muff Germanium (which has an okayish overdrive) and a VFE enterprise phaser.

So to the question, I am not sure if I should get a delay,chorus, overdrive or something im not even thinking about for my next pedal.
In terms of chorus pedals I am looking at the MXR Analog delay . It has a nice price and the demos made it sound pretty nice.

The delay i was looking at was the previously spoken of MXR Carbon Copy . It too has a relatively nice price and the demos made it sound pretty nice. The big problem really is that I'm not sure what the differences are between phasers, delays and choruses. I see their similarities but not so much what makes them different.

Lastly, I was looking at the VFE The Scream. It sounds very nice, has many options, but is pushing the budget a little bit. I already have two distortions so I wasn't sure if I would be overdoing that area of sound by neglecting delay/chorus/other stuff.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Important Note: I like classic rock, hard rock, psychadelic and soft rock the most. Not a huge fan of jazz, country or prog rock.
Posted by: zumabebop

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/03/12 09:52 PM

recommends you check out Juan Alderete's site "pedalsandeffects.com" for some real musician reviews...
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/03/12 10:23 PM

You'll have a lot of fun with an echo/delay pedal, certainly a lot more fun than with a chorus pedal. The Carbon Copy IS very nicely priced, and I'm sure you can find even nicer prices on used specimens. A delay-pedal that offers tap-tempo and/or looping would be even more fun for you, and even serve as a practice and composition aid.


If you want to get some different distortion and fuzz textures, get a crazy octave-fuzz and use it along with your current fuzz and overdrive/distortion pedals; I'd suggest either a Foxrox Octron (I have one and love LOVE love it; mixable/blendable octave-up AND octave-down fuzz, with a blendable "direct" signal, as well cool ) or a Dunlop "Jimi Hendrix" Octavio (I've tried one and I'd love to have one- and the price is not too bad). Either will net you BUCKETS of classic, hard and psychedelic colors, particularly the Octron. Run either one of those into your Big Muff Germanium or your MXR M173 Classic 108 Fuzz and play with your guitar's volume and tone controls to find cool interactive sweet-spots, particularly with the neck-pickup. Again, seek out good deals on used examples.
Posted by: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/04/12 12:34 AM

Just as a FYI, Red Witch has decided to try to revolutionize the tiny pedal market.

The Seven Sisters are tiny, focused pedals that do a job and do it well. They have rechargeable lithium ion batteries- AFAIK, an industry first- and are priced under $100. Here's an example of the Violet delay pedal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFT7aunZj1g&sns=em

I gotta say, if I were just starting my pedal collection, they'd be major contenders for inclusion.

Posted by: Terrell

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/04/12 02:30 AM

I second the FoxRox for the Vibe and Gene pool you're swimming in.

However, I don't see any time effects on your lineup list. So, depth might be something you are missing on the color wheel.

See, I have these debates with myself all the time. That's why I just get them all in multi-boxes. Yes, it's a trade off...

Pick two relatives and divide and concur!?!?!?
Posted by: Winston Psmith

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/04/12 07:42 AM

Hi, Brandon

Your first link took me to an MXR Analog Chorus - was that what you meant for us to look over? If you're looking at an MXR Chorus box, I'd recommend the big yellow one - give me a second here - here you go - MXR Stereo Chorus It's also analog.

Given that you like the psychedelic sound, and you already have the Fuzz/Phaser sound covered, I agree with Terrell that you should look into some Time effects. That MXR Carbon Copy is a great analog delay pedal, nice small footprint, with a long delay time - you can also use Delay to get warm, reverb-like washes of echoes. Think Animals-era Pink Floyd. Spend five minutes with one at your local music store, and I'm pretty sure it will sell itself.
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/04/12 07:48 AM

Terrell- Hahhaahhahhaahhaahh! Excellent post no matter how ya slice it. thu cool

Dannyalcatraz- speaking of revolutionizing tiny pedals (and I dig Red Witch pedals in general), the TC Electronic Flashback Delay (also a 40 second looper- !) allows you to download custom program settings by holding your "smartphone" over your guitar's pickup... !! You can also do the same by connecting the pedal to your computer via a USB cable; but, c'mon, beaming-in cool programs through the guitar's pickup?! How über-cool is THAT?! freak cool

Brandon S, THIS pedal will give you MONTHS of fun, discovery, and inspiration, and it so totally trumps the Carbon Copy, even for the marginal increase in price- it's one hundred times the pedal, and TC Electronics products are ALL of STELLAR tone and build quality...

Killer deal alert:

Musician's Friend currently has the TC Electronic Flashback Delay on sale for $152.10 with free shipping


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Posted by: Brandon S

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/04/12 02:06 PM

Thanks for all the input guys.
I liked the seven sisters violet, but from what I saw it did not have as many options as the MXR carbon copy, and I am looking for flexibility. Thanks for showing the company though, I will have to keep my eye on Red Witch.

Thanks Caevan for the octave idea. I hadn't thought about getting one and when I listened to some demos again I remembered why they are so nice. That extra note does wonders and I can use the octave with either of my distortions, the overdrive and maybe even the phaser, which is something that isn't as true with delay/chorus/echo pedals.. So I looked at the Hendrix octavio, but it sounds like more of a hendrix cover band pedal than a I want to screw around with this and come up with something at least not derived directly from hendrix pedal. The Foxrox was easy to rule out because it was too expensive.( frown ) But, I looked through some pedals and found this .

The Mod Tone Deep Dive Octave plus. Good price, good sound, and simple to use. The claimed power problem worries me a bit, but I have direct power so it shouldn't affect it.
Demo

It seems to track well and the fuzz isn't too overwhelming. Is there something I could be missing that makes this pedal cheaper and possibly inferior to the Octavio and the Foxrox?

Lastly, thanks for the TC Electronic Flashback delay notice. That is definitely a contender with the Mod Tone Deep Dive.
Posted by: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/04/12 03:36 PM

I've heard good things about Modtone pedals, but don't have any experience with them.
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/04/12 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Brandon S
...I can use the octave with either of my distortions, the overdrive and maybe even the phaser, which is something that isn't as true with delay/chorus/echo pedals...


O0O0Ooh, I love using my Octron with a Plexitube distortion and a phaser (AND echo and reverb); one of my favorite combinations!

However, echo/delay should be fine, even great, with your overdrive, distortion, and phaser pedals. I'd put the phaser in front of the overdrive and distortion pedals, followed by any echo/delay and/or reverb; though YMMV, you might want to try the phaser after the OD/dist- you might prefer the politer, smoother sound.

Originally Posted By: Brandon S
So I looked at the Hendrix octavio, but it sounds like more of a hendrix cover band pedal than a I want to screw around with this and come up with something at least not derived directly from hendrix pedal.


Some various Octavia/Octavio and fOXX tONE mACHINE style octave-fuzz examples that aren't necessarily Hendrix cover stylees:

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You don't have to play like Hendrix or use an Octavia/Octavio style octave-fuzz the way Hendrix did; use the bridge-pickup instead of the neck, play wide-interval double-stops through one, use it for a different sort of fuzz and/or ring-modulator sounds... Like almost any gear, it's only as limited as your imagination, approach and technique.

Originally Posted By: Brandon S
...I looked through some pedals and found this .

The Mod Tone Deep Dive Octave plus. Good price, good sound, and simple to use.

It seems to track well and the fuzz isn't too overwhelming. Is there something I could be missing that makes this pedal cheaper and possibly inferior to the Octavio and the Foxrox?


Looks and sounds like a cool pedal in the couple of demo-vids that I perused, if a fairly straight-up, not-all-that-fuzzy octave-down kinda sound is what you want.

Originally Posted By: Brandon S
Lastly, thanks for the TC Electronic Flashback delay notice. That is definitely a contender with the Mod Tone Deep Dive.


Bear in mind that the Flashback does a LOT of different echo/delay sounds and effects, AND it's also a forty second looper- you can, for example, lay down up to forty seconds of playing, such as chordal rhythm and fills and bass-lines, maybe throw in some rhythmic percussive string-sounds to stand in for drums, and then play leads over it all you want as it all repeats like a backing-track...
Posted by: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/04/12 08:32 PM

Quote:
Dannyalcatraz- speaking of revolutionizing tiny pedals (and I dig Red Witch pedals in general), the TC Electronic Flashback Delay (also a 40 second looper- !) allows you to download custom program settings by holding your "smartphone" over your guitar's pickup... !! You can also do the same by connecting the pedal to your computer via a USB cable; but, c'mon, beaming-in cool programs through the guitar's pickup?! How über-cool is THAT?!


That IS cool! (Kinda reminds me of the DigiTech iStomp.)

Does it work with other mobile devices, like iPod Touches or tablets? I ask, because I'm probably ditching my smartphone.
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/04/12 09:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Quote:
Dannyalcatraz- speaking of revolutionizing tiny pedals (and I dig Red Witch pedals in general), the TC Electronic Flashback Delay (also a 40 second looper- !) allows you to download custom program settings by holding your "smartphone" over your guitar's pickup... !! You can also do the same by connecting the pedal to your computer via a USB cable; but, c'mon, beaming-in cool programs through the guitar's pickup?! How über-cool is THAT?!


That IS cool! (Kinda reminds me of the DigiTech iStomp.)

Does it work with other mobile devices, like iPod Touches or tablets? I ask, because I'm probably ditching my smartphone.


Hmmn, Idunno off the top of my head; if their (TC's) app is applicable for a given device, I imagine it would work on it... Scope out this vid and go to TC's 'site...

TC Electronic Flashback Delay


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Posted by: Winston Psmith

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/05/12 06:24 AM

Alright, Caevan, I'll see your Flashback Delay, and raise you . . .



Probably not as versatile as the Flashback, but if you want that watery, warbly Pink Floyd sound . . .
Posted by: Terrell

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/05/12 07:09 AM

That TC unit is off the hook. Too bad it's on the floor! My back would be killing me changing it all the time...
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/05/12 12:16 PM

Originally Posted By: WinstonPsmith
Alright, Caevan, I'll see your Flashback Delay, and raise you . . .

(Catalinbread Echorec)

Probably not as versatile as the Flashback, but if you want that watery, warbly Pink Floyd sound . . .


Nice! cool Along with the Flashback and the Strymon El Capistan, these are some of the very few digital echo/delays that I'd be very interested in...

Originally Posted By: Terrell
That TC unit is off the hook. Too bad it's on the floor! My back would be killing me changing it all the time...


You could always mount it on a stand or somethin', or even off a bracket on your guitar...
Posted by: stamplicker

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/05/12 04:24 PM

Originally Posted By: WinstonPsmith
Alright, Caevan, I'll see your Flashback Delay, and raise you . . .



Probably not as versatile as the Flashback, but if you want that watery, warbly Pink Floyd sound . . .


And I'll call on your catalinbread and boost Caev's flashback to...

Posted by: Winston Psmith

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/05/12 04:39 PM

In this case, I think everybody wins . . .
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/05/12 05:09 PM

Cool pedals, but the budget keeps escalating...
Posted by: stamplicker

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/05/12 05:32 PM

Sure, bring budget into it.... wink
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/05/12 06:13 PM

Originally Posted By: stamplicker
Sure, bring budget into it.... wink


Poor Brandon... freak laugh We must be drivin' him nuts with all the more and more expensive, highfalutin pedalry...

Note that many of these pedals are ones that some of us WANT, but DO NOT OWN (though some of us have tried some of them)...

Maybe price has something to do with that? thu grin
Posted by: Terrell

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/05/12 06:29 PM

THAT's more like it!!!! Yowza!
Posted by: stamplicker

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/05/12 07:25 PM

Well, bang for buck, he'd be able to knock a few off his checklist with the Flashback X4, ($200 - $249) depending where you look and what discounts you might be able aquire. Echorec is going to run around the same price and the plain flashback around $150.

MXR Carbon Copy around $150
MXR Analog Delay around $375
VFE The Scream around $150

So I think we're all in the right ball park budget wise =)
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/05/12 07:29 PM

Originally Posted By: stamplicker
Well, bang for buck, he'd be able to knock a few off his checklist with the Flashback X4, ($200 - $249) depending where you look and what discounts you might be able aquire. Echorec is going to run around the same price and the plain flashback around $150.

MXR Carbon Copy around $150
MXR Analog Delay around $375
VFE The Scream around $150

So I think we're all in the right ball park budget wise =)


Good points, though I think that better deals can be found for some of those, particularly the Carbon Copy; but I digress...
Posted by: p90jr

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/05/12 07:39 PM

I got a Carl Martin Red Repeat the other day for $50. Have only played it through my little VOX AC4TV, but it seems to do wonderful things for tone!!
Posted by: Winston Psmith

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/06/12 06:28 AM

I'm just wondering how we got to $375 for an MXR Analog Delay? Is that what the big old green ones are going for on ebay now? The link from the OP took me to a page featuring the new, blue MXR Analog Chorus, running around $89. I don't think the OP meant the vintage box . . .
Posted by: stamplicker

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/06/12 06:38 AM

Originally Posted By: WinstonPsmith
I'm just wondering how we got to $375 for an MXR Analog Delay? Is that what the big old green ones are going for on ebay now? The link from the OP took me to a page featuring the new, blue MXR Analog Chorus, running around $89. I don't think the OP meant the vintage box . . .

Yup your correct, my bad... I was thinking it was the big green one.
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/06/12 05:21 PM

blah facepalm

Brandon... ! BRRRAAAAANNDOOOOOONNN... !! freak

wink thu grin wave
Posted by: Brandon S

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/06/12 07:20 PM

Yah sorry about the missed day post, I opened it up, read everything and then forgot to post. I would like to thank everyone for their recommendations, but I agree the price thing got a little out of hand (lol). I am mainly looking for a 80-130 dollar pedal and im still not sure what I want. The scream looks amazing, but it's 170. The MXR Carbon Copy is very within the price range, but I am not sure of how much I want it (haven't exactly figured out what "element" it will bring to the table). And the Mod tone octavizer seems like an okay deal, but I really wasn't feeling it.

On the unconventional side I did find a rather interesting combo. My pedal demo god, gearmanndude, demoed a MXR Bass Octave Deluxe with a guitar, and I can't help but smile and enjoy the sound when I listen to it. It tracks well, is a nice price (120) and still adds that octavey goodness.

Also, just to add some more variables into the mix, are there any affordable, analog, non distortion/phaser/wah pedals that anybody recommends? Can't help but think the pedal world is big enough that I am missing a couple types of pedals in my melting bot of a setup.
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/06/12 08:41 PM

You've got nothin' to apologize for, Brandon, I was just kiddin' around about our having driven you off with all the pricier and pricier pedal suggestions, that's all. grin
Posted by: Brandon S

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/07/12 06:35 PM

Well that's good to hear, I didn't want to offend those that are helping me.

Also holy Sh**. I think I may have found something that beats the VFE scream by a lot. It sounds very beautiful to me, what do you guys think?

Option 5 Destination Overdrive II
Demo
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/07/12 07:55 PM

That does sound nice, and very versatile; Option 5 pedals are fantastic. In particular I love their Destination Rotation Single (an all-analog sim of a Fender Vibratone/Leslie 16 single-speaker rotary-cab). I've played through one, loved it, nearly bought it, but bought a Boss RT-20 instead only because I specifically wanted the complex dual spinning-horn/rotating-baffled speaker sound of a Leslie 122/147. I very nearly bought them both. Kinda wish I had.


By the way, Brandon, are you going to get a different amp for all these pedals to be hittin'?


And by the way, Brandon, for someone who doesn't want to be mistaken
for being in a Hendrix cover band, you sure look a lot like

James Marshall Hendrix...


Johnny Jimi James Marshall Allen Hendrix rawk wink grin
Posted by: Larryz

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/07/12 08:34 PM

I knew there was something about that guy...
Posted by: Brandon S

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/08/12 09:50 AM

I'm not sure about whether to get another amp or not. I currently have a Fender G-DEC Junior which I feel accomplishes what I need. I asked Steevo about whether I should get an amp anytime soon and he asked if I was planning to play live anytime soon and I said no. From what I understand if I were to upgrade my amp, it would be to make it "bigger," and I only need it bigger if I am going to be playing anywhere besides my room anytime soon. I kind of like the Fender G-DEC Junior. Has Fender Tweed, Blackface and 5 other types of amp settings.
If I were to get a new one it would be a marshall, only because that's what most of my musical icons use.


You remind me of someone too Caevan.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Glenn Quagmire's cooler older brother maybe?
Posted by: Larryz

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/08/12 10:00 AM

Good one Brandon...gigidty gigity gig...
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/08/12 10:09 AM

Yeah, I'm Kev Quagmire, aka Qevmire, his cooler older brother that has cool pedals and gets more action than Glenn does... giggity-KerrRRAAANG... !!

I am Giggitus. rawk
Posted by: Brandon S

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/08/12 11:18 AM

Let's just hope for Giggitus's sake that the women he attracts aren't Roman and don't like to get him pinned to things. (Particularly crosses)
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/08/12 11:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Brandon S
Let's just hope for Giggitus's sake that the women he attracts aren't Roman and don't like to get him pinned to things. (Particularly crosses)


No, no, I'm the loud lead-Giggitus, ehr, guitarist in the loud Hawaiian shirt, I don't get pinned to things or (vice-verse), I just get offered free drinks and asked for my phone number... rimshot

But I digress; pedals, pedals, anyone dig pedals... ? wink thu
Posted by: Larryz

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/08/12 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
I just get offered free drinks and asked for my phone number... rimshot



You have to admit this is a great line for a song...now don't anybody violate the big 10 and steal it from me...
Posted by: Winston Psmith

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/09/12 08:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Brandon S
I'm not sure about whether to get another amp or not. I currently have a Fender G-DEC Junior which I feel accomplishes what I need. I asked Steevo about whether I should get an amp anytime soon and he asked if I was planning to play live anytime soon and I said no. From what I understand if I were to upgrade my amp, it would be to make it "bigger," and I only need it bigger if I am going to be playing anywhere besides my room anytime soon.


Good move, Brandon, on not upgrading your amp, until you need to. Honestly, it seems like the only thing your G-Dec lacks, for now, is a Line Out, which would let you plug into a PA or mixing board. In a small club, or open-mic space, you can drive nails into the far wall with a 60-watt SS amp, or maybe a 15/25-watt tube amp. Those 100-watt stacks are for really big halls, or really big egos.

You''ll also get more tone out of a smaller amp, particularly if you go with tubes. Duane Allman came to prefer 50-watt amps over the 100-watt amps he'd been using, because it was easier to overdrive the 50's, for that warm tone he wanted.

BTW, what are you thinking in terms of a pedalboard, or power supplies? That's going to be the next step, if you're assembling a string of effects pedals. There are lots of options, as far as pedalboards, with and without power supplies, starting at around $40-50, and going up into the hundreds. I like Pedaltrain boards, but here's another, much cheaper option, that really works - IKEA - Gorm Shelf 2-pack. Get a roll of 2-inch Velcro, add some rubber feet to the underside, maybe a shim to raise the rear a bit, and you're set. These shelving units have their own fan base, among pedalboard users, so they're worth checking out.

Okay, Caevan, we're back in pedal territory . . .
Posted by: Dannyalcatraz

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/09/12 09:18 AM

Quote:
You''ll also get more tone out of a smaller amp, particularly if you go with tubes. Duane Allman came to prefer 50-watt amps over the 100-watt amps he'd been using, because it was easier to overdrive the 50's, for that warm tone he wanted.


One of the reasons I'm considering downsizing my amp right now...
Posted by: Caevan O'Shite

Re: Puzzling Pedal Choice - 12/09/12 01:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Quote:
You''ll also get more tone out of a smaller amp, particularly if you go with tubes. Duane Allman came to prefer 50-watt amps over the 100-watt amps he'd been using, because it was easier to overdrive the 50's, for that warm tone he wanted.


One of the reasons I'm considering downsizing my amp right now...


Yeah, if you 'upscaled' to another amp, I'd say that for the types of tones and musical styles you're (Brandon) into, anywhere from 4 to 20 or 30 watts or so (I'm talking tube-amps here, though) should easily do you very well.

But of course it makes sense for you not to be in a hurry there; I just thought you'd mentioned something about looking for a different amp before.

How does your G-DEC Junior work with pedals?