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Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800)

Posted By: Jazz+

Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 01/24/19 01:56 PM

I own a Casio PX-360 and a CT-X700

Questions: regarding PX-S1000 and S3000

1. Is this an upgrade in action from the PX-160 and PX-360?
2. Is this an upgrade in Grand Piano 1 from the PX-160 and PX-360's Grand Piano 001?
3. Is this Grand Piano 1 from the CT-X AiX Sound Library?
4. Is this EP1 (Rhodes) and upgrade from the PX-160 and PX-360's AiR EP1?
5. Is this EP1 (Rhodes) from the CT-X AiX Sound Library?
guess the PX-360 still sounds better, in terms of AP 1 and EP 1, and has a better action, and better speakers (4).

Privia PX-160 ($500) AiR Sound Chip, 25.5 lbs, 2 speakers.
Privia PX-S1000 ($600) AiR Sound Chip 24.5 lbs, 2 speakers.
Privia PX-S3000 ($800) AiR Sound Chip, 24.5 lbs, 2 speakers.
Privia PX-360 ($900) AiR Sound Chip, 26.2 lbs, 4 speakers.

"S" must be for slim.



PX-S3000






Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 02:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Questions:
1. Is this an upgrade in action from the PX-160 and PX-360?

It is a different action. Casio refers to it as "newly designed" and it is supposed to be an upgrade ("improved scaled hammer action keyboard", which enables even more delicate expression to facilitate any style of piano playing"). Whether it is an "upgrade" can end up being be subjective, though, as people don't always agree about which action feels better than which, or an action that is better in one respect can be lesser in another. For example, in a sense, the PX-x30 action was an "upgrade" from the earlier actions (they added the third sensor), but I thought that action actually didn't feel as good as what was in the earlier PX-x00 and PX-x10 actions that I'd played. (I've never played a PX-x20.) So it's possible you won't have your answer to this until you get your hands on one. Possibly notable, there appears to be no reference to the new actions having three sensors, though. Hopefully not the case, that doesn't necessarily mean these boards don't have that feature, but if losing the third sensor was the tradeoff for an action that otherwise feels noticeably better than that of the previous generation, I could live with that. But if someone really wants three sensors and this doesn't have it, then for that buyer, this probably wouldn't be an upgrade. ETA: It looks more likely to have triple sensor based on this from the press release: "Key Off Response reproduces repeat-strike performance: The decay timing based on the keys' movements when the fingers release from the key is digitally controlled. When the same note is struck repeatedly, the next tone sounds firmly even if the key has not completely come back up after being struck."

Originally Posted By: Jazz+

2. Is this an upgrade in Grand Piano 1 from PX-160 and PX-360's Grand Piano 001?

That's an interesting question. The new lower end CDP models have "a brand-new Piano Sound Engine with 64-note polyphony, providing increased dynamic range and covering the full variation of piano key sounds, from the most delicate pianissimo to the most powerful fortissimo" (which sounds like maybe more velocity layers than before), but I haven't seen anything about a new piano engine in these new PX models {correction below}. It's possible that the "brand-new" piano engine for the CDP may be better than what they used to use in the CDP, but not as good as what they've had in the PX160/360. So far, I see no indication of a new piano sound per se in these PX models. The press release mentions the AiR Sound Source (same as PX160) but 192-note polyphony, whereas the PX-160 has 128 polyphony, so there has at least been that much of an upgrade. ETA: I've also now seen a reference to a "Newly-Enhanced AiR Sound Source."


Personally, the biggest issue for me would be the apparent loss of MIDI jacks even on the higher end model. It looks to me like the 3000 has the dubious distinction of being the only portable keyboard over $800 that has no DIN MIDI connector. That rules out using this action as a lightweight high quality weighted controller for a MODX6/7, Nord Stage 3 Compact, etc. I guess if you're sufficiently motivated by the action, you can use an adapter, but it's a clunky solution, especially since those adapters need their own AC.
Posted By: Toano88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 02:56 PM

Yes cut & paste error. The 3000 has 700 built in sounds it says so in the overview. I believe the 1000 has 18 built in sounds. Also I notice no LCD display on the 1000. Where if you had 700 sounds you would need a patch display!
Posted By: Mighty Motif Max

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 02:59 PM

The PX-S1000 looks kind of similar to the Williams Legato. Maybe they outsourced the shell design or something. The PX-S3000 looks sort of a little like the Williams Allegro. Not as much as the other pair though. Again, I don't doubt that the sound engine and action are different. It just looks familiar.






S3000



Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 03:02 PM

Jazz Plus.... thanks for posting prices. I was curious about that.

Really hoping for a new sound engine from Casio for acoustic and electric pianos. I really don't care about it being the slimmest piano. I want it to sound good.

And yes... lack of midi jacks is just a damn shame.

With my stage piano ( Still, Roland RD300 GX) I really need to midi out to an HX-3 organ module for one board gigs ( I use preset sounds from the HX -3.No drawbars, just 3 or 4 basic organ presets.)

I have been hoping for Casio to deliver the goods for some time, especially due to Mike Martin's involvement. I love the pricing and the portability, but I had to always go to Yamaha and Roland because of sound quality.

Strangely, I was never around the PX-5 very much, because Guitar Center and whoever else never seems to stock them. I heard Jerry K. get some killer Rhodes from the PX-5 at NAMM, but I wasn't sold on the acoustic piano, at least as it was presented at NAMM a few years back.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 03:22 PM

Can you edit out those over-sized images? They break the formatting of the forum page.
Posted By: Toano88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 03:26 PM

Yes, please do. BTW, I don't see the similarities with Williams. Other than both are black with 88 black & white keys.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 03:36 PM

So, pricing is $599 and $799. SW has it up on their pages.

I notice the S3000 has a pitch wheel, no mod wheel. The S1000 has no PB. The S3000 has an expression pedal port.

From the SW blurb:
"Casio's Privia PX-S3000 stage piano illustrates technology trickle-down theory in action. Several years ago, the company's Pro PX-5S ó a huge hit at Sweetwater ó introduced gigging keyboardists to an instrument that not only provided killer sounds, but also functioned as a masterful MIDI controller keyboard and performance synth.

Now, the PX-S3000 offers the next generation of advanced stage pianos with the latest AiR (Acoustic and intelligent Resonator) sound engine, 700 Tones and 200 Rhythms, weighted keyboard action with escapement, string/damper/body resonance, an intuitive touch-panel control surface, assignable controls, an expression pedal input, and a bevy of new sounds in an even sleeker stage-ready chassis ó and at a delightfully affordable price. Onboard, you'll find glorious grand pianos and soulful organs, plus vintage electric pianos and epic synth sounds too. What's not to love?"

Sweetwater page for Privia PX-S3000
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 03:43 PM

I own a CT-X700 and a Privia PX-360. I am going to guess, not sure, that my PX-360 sounds better for Grand Piano 001 and EP1, and has a better action, and 4 speakers vs 2. I will wait for "Piano Man Chuck" to do an A:B comparison.

Posted By: Mighty Motif Max

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 04:20 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Can you edit out those over-sized images? They break the formatting of the forum page.


Originally Posted By: Toano88
Yes, please do. BTW, I don't see the similarities with Williams. Other than both are black with 88 black & white keys.


Fixed. I had to upload them to my image hosting page. Before they were direct links to the product page's image server. Scaled down.


The "similarity" I see might just be the layout of controls and the buttons they chose.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
As I mentioned above, I own a CT-X700 and a Privia PX-360. These new Privias sound like my CT-X700. I am going to guess my PX-360 still sounds better (Grand Piano 001 and EP1) and has a better action, and 4 speakers vs 2.



So you're saying that after hooking the x700 and 360 up to proper sound systems, that you prefer the main piano and EP on the 360 vs the 700? That was the selling point of the new low cost boards like the x700, that they'd improved their sounds and sound quality.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 05:29 PM

PART 1

Fast forward to 3:00 to hear the Grand Piano 001 AiR chip (PX-160, PX-360, PX-560) vs Grand Piano AiX chip (last years CT-X series).
I will wait for "Piano Man Chuck" to do an A:B comparison of the new S1000/S3000.



PART 2

Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Randelph
So you're saying that after hooking the x700 and 360 up to proper sound systems, that you prefer the main piano and EP on the 360 vs the 700? That was the selling point of the new low cost boards like the x700, that they'd improved their sounds and sound quality.

I think the selling point was the new AiX sound engine of the CTX was better than the AHL(?) engine of the CTK series that preceded it. Not that it was necessarily better than what was already in their higher end keyboards (AiR in the Privias, MXi in the MZ-X series)... and it might vary with different sounds. As far as piano in particular goes, I don't think they ever suggested that the AiX pianos were as good as what was in the Privias. Even just on paper, they didn't have the polyphony, resonances, "morphing" attributes. That said, the S1000/S3000 still say they are AiR and not AiX. The lower end new CDP models don't say what they are, except for being a new design.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 07:23 PM


At the Casio booth at NAMM 2019:

Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 07:31 PM

Does the S1000 have Vibes in its 19 sounds? It's my third main sound after Rhodes and Grand Piano.
Posted By: Radagast

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 10:34 PM

From what Iíve heard so far, it sounds like it has different types of resonances and long samples. Maybe they are going to challenge Dexibell. I would like to know if there is more than one piano sample in both models.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/24/19 11:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Privia PX-160 ($500) AiR Sound Chip, 25.5 lbs, 2 speakers.
Privia PX-S1000 ($600) AiR Sound Chip 24.5 lbs, 2 speakers.
Privia PX-S3000 ($800) AiR Sound Chip, 24.5 lbs, 2 speakers.
Privia PX-360 ($900) AiR Sound Chip, 26.2 lbs, 4 speakers.

That's the distinction between a pair of full-range (single) speakers and a pair of 2-way (woofer and tweeter) speakers. I haven't seen specs on the 3000 (the ones I saw were copied-and-pasted in error from the 1000), are you sure 3000 doesn't have the 2-way speakers? The previous models in that position in the line all had them (PX-360, PX-350, PX-330)... but then again, those all had MIDI jacks, too.

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Does the S1000 have Vibes in its 19 sounds?

I haven't seen a list, but I think it's likely. It was in the something-teen sounds of the PX160/PX150/PX130 that preceded it in its lineup position.
ETA: definitely yes, listed at https://www.casiomusicgear.com/products/privia-series/px-s1000

p.s. - I edited the earlier post...they are saying that the new AiR engine in these Privia models is supposed to be upgraded from the previous generation, and it likely does have the triple sensor, as discussed there,
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 12:08 AM

The PX-S3000 has USB-to-Device (audio) and USB-to-Host while the PX-S1000 only has the latter.
Posted By: SeaGtGruff

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 12:15 AM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
The lower end new CDP models don't say what they are, except for being a new design.


I thought I saw somewhere-- perhaps in the Specifications page in their User Guides, if not on Casio's product pages-- that the new CDP-S models use AiX, like the new CT-X models. But I might be mistaken about that.

EDIT - I just checked the User Guides but see no mention of AiX or AiR. Nor is anything mentioned on Casio's site. I may have seen it mentioned in reference to the new Privias and got them mixed up?
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 12:20 AM

Odd that theyíd undercut their existing line with these models?
Or maybe not.
They went to touch screen UI on most of the Privia updates including a 560 (with an expression pedal input) while the 5S was left unchanged. Making the 5S very specifically for those that require the synth editing and more pro controller features, battery operation even perhaps.
I think Casio at this point has a niche in the lightweight affordable instruments area thatís hard to ignore. Adding value and features and very aggressive price points.
Posted By: Radagast

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 12:26 AM

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Odd that theyíd undercut their existing line with these models?
Or maybe not.
They went to touch screen UI on most of the Privia updates including a 560 (with an expression pedal input) while the 5S was left unchanged. Making the 5S very specifically for those that require the synth editing and more pro controller features, battery operation even perhaps.
I think Casio at this point has a niche in the lightweight affordable instruments area thatís hard to ignore. Adding value and features and very aggressive price points.


Not odd if the older models are being replaced by the newer ones.
Posted By: Tom Williams

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 12:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Randelph
From the SW blurb:
"Casio's Privia PX-S3000 stage piano illustrates technology trickle-down theory in action. Several years ago, the company's Pro PX-5S ó a huge hit at Sweetwater ó introduced gigging keyboardists to an instrument that not only provided killer sounds, but also functioned as a masterful MIDI controller keyboard and performance synth.


Yes -- other than
  • Lack of MIDI
  • No mod wheel
  • Pitch bend but no other continuous controllers
...it's entirely comparable to a PX-5S. </sarc> Sorry, but I don't see the two belonging in the same paragraph, at least not looking at the blurbs and specs.

And no, although I love the PX-5S, I'm not a Kool-aid drinker. I would love for it to have quieter, and if I am lucky, lighter action. I'd also go for the stealth console, which looks pretty cool. I guess I would be more impressed with the S3000 description if there was some reference to its synth programmability.
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 11:09 AM

FWIW, the PX-S3000 has two assignable knobs above the pitch bend. That might be a good (or better, since there are two) substitute for a mod wheel. idk

The AiR in the new PX-S models is NOT the same AiR from the previous ones. Take my word for it, okay? Just look at what these new Privias can do as far as the piano sound as described in some of the videos shown by Kraft and others. It looks like some of the modeling from the Grand Hybrid has tricked down into these models.

One More Thing. Williams is a Guitar Center only brand. Casio manufactures their own keyboards in-house, and it's all proprietary. The idea they'd get another company, especially "Williams" to build anything for them is, frankly, silly.
Posted By: jimkost2002

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 11:24 AM

It looks like these new Casios are a real quantum leap over the previous genó-even the 560 and 5s......
If the build quality is also mproved, it will be INSANE at that price point...
I might get an S3000 for subway busking!
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 12:36 PM

To clarify a couple things.

- Entirely new action. Obviously a huge task and also a risk for any manufacturer to undertake something like this. First impressions from artists, dealers and customers - this is a dramatic improvement over a previous action.

- AiR stuff. For all practical purposes this should be AiR2. Everything from the chips driving it to the software is new. Some of the nuance tech (string and damper resonance) is derived from what we've previously done in our Grand Hybrid pianos but it is not 100% identical. This also includes new DSP (reverbs, hall simulations) that is dramatically better than previous products.

- Realtime stuff - I think Joe covered that but PX-S3000 has 2 knobs and an expression pedal input. The knobs have pairs of choices for their assignments (Attack / Release, Cutoff/ Resonance....FX Parameter 1 / FX Parameter 2). The list of choices is extensive.

SP-34 Pedal: Half Dampering, YES!

- Editing. PX-S3000 does have selectable insert effects. Again an extensive list. We haven't had as much time on this product prior to NAMM but again the list is quite remarkable.

PX-5S replacement. Remember the history. PX-5S was released a year after the PX-150 and PX-350.

Posted By: Tom Williams

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 12:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
PX-5S replacement.

Wow. I didn't expect that.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 01:00 PM

Thanks, Mike, as always for your clear explanation of what new boards can do.

The new Privia's look awesome.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 01:35 PM

This is exciting, Mike. Thanks for sharing.
It gives me the impression that these 4 digit sub $1k Privia models are just the beginning. And I have to get a seat at this new action soon - possibly an improvement over an already light (to carry) design AND in such a small form factor. Has to be checked out.
Posted By: Radagast

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 02:37 PM

According to the YouTube video from Sound Centre on these two pianos, Casio has managed to design the keys so that they are easily playable all the way to the top. If so, thatís amazing considering how slim and small it is.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 02:51 PM

S1000 Specs
S3000 Specs
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 02:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
HEY CASIO, somebody copy and pasted the same specas for both the S1000 and the S3000. Please update, thank you.
They know. I hear it will be fixed today.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 03:05 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
The lower end new CDP models don't say what they are, except for being a new design.

Posted elsewhere, the new CDP piano sound is listed as AHL II.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
They went to touch screen UI on most of the Privia updates including a 560 (with an expression pedal input) while the 5S was left unchanged.

I suspect that the only reason the 5S lacks those 560 features is that it came out first. But the 5S stayed in the line because, as you point out, it still served some markets better than the 560 did, and presumably it was still selling. If there had been a 5S update since then, though, I'd bet on it having a touchscreen and expression pedal input

Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
It looks like these new Casios are a real quantum leap over the previous genó-even the 560 and 5s......

Better piano sound and action, okay, but in many respects, these boards seem to do a fraction of what those boards do. These are nice improvements in their lower end boards, but it looks like we'll have to wait for these enhancements to "trickle up" to their better boards.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 03:07 PM


Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 03:18 PM

The Electric Piano sounds dyno with effects built in
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 03:19 PM

IT looks like the prices are different than I saw in the original post yesterday. Either that or I must be losing it....

The prices and the weight are fantastic, and certainly worthy of consideration.

And kudos to Mike and Casio for forging ahead. As I said, I have been wanting to support Casio for some time. I actually love my WK 3000 ( of all things). It is a real go to practice organ for me because it runs on batteries and I can get a very credible lower manual organ sound for practice purposes.

So I have been waiting for THE piano for the new Millenium. Have they done it is the question.

As said in a previous post, the Yamaha P 515 is tempting. It is more money, and it weighs in at about 48 lbs. If I am not mistaken. Definitely a stay at home instrument. But it kicks ants!

So I am waiting to see if Casio has achieved Hear no evil status.

Very interesting though. You gotta love the weight and prices....
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 03:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The Electric Piano does not sound like a classic vintage clean Fender Rhodes Suitcase, such as played by Herbie Hancock, Joe Sample, George Duke, Chick Corea, etc. It sounds like it's got effects all messed over it (chorus and overdrive?) and the high notes sound thin and squeaky, imo. The Rhodes on my CT-X is also sorely lacking. I think the Rhodes in the PX360/560 is still better. It's amazing no DP still can't match Scarbee after so many years.

It's not amazing thet DPs don't match Scarbee... Scarbee's rhodes is something like 5 GB. But really, there are very good Rhodes sounds in many DPs, size isn't everything. Korg SV1 still sounds/plays great to me. As for Casio's Rhodes, they've been a mix. PX560 and PX5S are much better than PX350. I'm reserving judgment on the S3000 Rhodes for now...

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Apparently no decent Jimmy Smith B3 organ classic 88800000 either on board.

I wouldn't expect anything great, that really requires a separate processing engine (not simple sample playback), and sophisticated effects processing. (There's a reason people would pay $500 for a Vent to get a realistic leslie effect.)
Posted By: SeaGtGruff

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 03:54 PM

I asked Saul at YamahaMusicians.com about the CDP-S, and he asked Casio, and they said the new CDP-S models use AHL ii, not AiR or AiX.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By: SeaGtGruff
I asked Saul at YamahaMusicians.com about the CDP-S, and he asked Casio, and they said the new CDP-S models use AHL ii, not AiR or AiX.


Heís correct about the CDP-S100 only.
The CDP-S350 is a AiX variant.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 04:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Heís correct about the CDP-S100 only.
The CDP-S350 is a AiX variant.

Ah! So with the improved AiR, that's 3 different piano engines in the four new models! (Plus the original AiR still in others like PX560.) That's really good to know, so people don't play one of these piano sounds at their local store and assume that all four models sound the same. I also find this encouraging because I really didn't like the CDP-S100 demo I heard at all. Of course, I understand, it's a budget model, but it's good to have confirmation that that's not what's in any of the other models.

I know the S3000 is still not so much a stage board (no MIDI!), but I'm curious about things like what facilities it may have for quick patch recall of your favorites from among its 700 sounds, or from among any saved split/layer combinations you might assemble (registrations). Or are these still things you'd have to look at the older higher end models for?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 04:43 PM

In terms of Rhodes and Organ sound, why is Scarbee and Crumar ahead of all the Japanese companies who've been at it for so long?
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Scarbee's 1G in Korg's Module sounds great. 1GB cost about .50 cents now days.

1GB of what? 1GB of flash storage may cost 50 cents. 1 GB of what a keyboard needs for a playable piano is a whole lot pricier. Just because something is measured in gigabytes doesn't tell you what you can use it for. Using your figure, you could get 16 GB of something for $8, but check the price of of a 16 GB RAM upgrade for your computer, and you'll see the point. (What keyboards use is typically neither of the above.) Or, for example, check the price of this: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MotifXF512MB--yamaha-fl512m-512mb-flash-board to get an idea of how much the price of a gig of something can vary. Different boards take different approaches, and don't all use the same kind of memory. None of it is as cheap as just using a thumb drive, though.

The good news is, you can solve your problem by running Korg Module. ;-) Though I do wish more boards were more adept at integrating internal and external sounds, so we could more easily take advantage of the best of both worlds. Casio handles that well on boards like XW-P1 and PX-5S, but not on many others.

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
In terms of Rhodes and Organ sound, why is Scarbee and Crumar ahead of all the Japanese companies who've been at it for so long?

Crumar is a different case, they use modeling. There are few people who are capable of doing that.

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I guess I'm frustrated that the Rhodes and organs still suck in 2019's offerings.

No they don't, you just have to buy the model that has what you need. You're happy with your Mojo 61, right? But the design of the board is entirely different from a Privia. I wouldn't expect to find the things Crumar is doing in a Mojo in a Privia. By analogy, if you need a boat, I'd say buy a boat, rather than wish your car had a propellor. Though companies have tried that, too. ;-)
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 05:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
The PX-S3000 has USB-to-Device (audio) and USB-to-Host while the PX-S1000 only has the latter.

Apparently Casio have confirmed that USB Audio in the PX-S3000 is for recording audio to a USB stick only, so no USB Audio to a computer DAW.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 06:10 PM

So around $60 wholesale for 16 GB of RAM.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 06:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
So around $50 wholesale for 16 GB of RAM.

You're getting closer, although $50 looks too low to me for 16 GB RAM, even RAM of relatively low spec. But okay, let's say we take the RAM approach. Well, RAM loses all its contents whenever you power down. So now you need additional "GB" of something else for offline storage, and have to allow for a long boot time as all the contents have to be read into memory at each startup. (I believe that this is what the Krome does, though I'm not certain.) There are also costs associated with the additional support electronics to make that all happen (and you need an OS built to do it). So there are additional costs as well as a trade-off in functionality. Now also remember that what a component costs wholesale is not at all the same as what it adds to the retail price. Bottom line: it's not as simple as "toss some more memory in there, cheap."
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 07:27 PM

Maybe $65 for 16GB of Ram wholesale.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 07:51 PM

As Scott says above, it's not just the cost of RAM.

They would have to license whatever library they want to put in there, as well as several other things under the hood to make it run properly and give you the same experience as running those VST's on a dedicated Laptop.

Just look at the CPU power many of the good libraries need to run to sound good, and have the lowest latency possible.

Now then, I do like the concept, and I am sure the big companies have done cost analysis of this and have determined the ROI doesn't work yet.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 08:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
3 TB BarraCuda drive is $99.99, making the price per GB $0.033.

So? That doesn't mean you can buy 1 GB of it for $0.033 or even 100 GB for $3. But regardless, as I said, the cost of the memory/storage components is just one piece of the puzzle.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 09:24 PM

Dbl post
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 09:27 PM

Question: Can one note trills be played faster on the new s1000 action or are one note trills faster on the PX-360 action. Has the ďrepetition rateĒ increased? Has friction been reduced? This is an objective measurement and will reveal a lot about the new action.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 09:54 PM

Thereís no reason for Casio to license an existing piano library from a developer like Synthogy unless they are looking for name brand recognition that is stronger than their own. It makes a lot more sense for them to build the Casio name and their own proprietary engines and libraries. Theyíve proved with the PX-5S and Other Privia models that they can do this. They partnered with Bechstein when they needed to generate some buzz with the Celviano range. Even opening up the instrument to show the movement of the action. Very calculated planning.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 10:08 PM

Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 10:25 PM

Can the effects be removed from "Electric Piano" to get clean Fender Rhodes piano?
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 10:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Can the effects be removed from "Electric Piano" to get a clean high quality Fender Rhodes Suitcase sample?


LOL, for that you need to have a clean high quality Rhodes samples to begin with.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/25/19 10:32 PM

Yes, the PX 360, PX 560, and PX-5S all have pretty decent clean Fender Rhodes Suitcase going on.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 12:09 AM

Played the 1000 today, mainly with phones. I could only make out a little of the internals coupled with a pair of mini-desk type monitors -- the floor noise was too over the top.

What I could hear, and felt, immediately was an improvement over earlier models. I could get around on it pretty good and heard the tone and sustain was much improved.

I think I'd have to hear it through speakers to make a conclusive opinion on it but I based on what I heard, I can't imagine how you could do better for the price.

I think for older Acoustic piano Jazz guys, this will become a standard gigging electronic keyboard. wink

Nice talking with the venerable Mike Martin for a few minutes too.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 12:46 AM

Hi Dave,
Thanks for the report. I was hoping you'd be at NAMM. Are you going again? If so, maybe you could take some good headphones and have a closer listen? Can you do fast one note trills with the new action?

How was the Yamaha???

If I use my Casio PX-360 when I play out with other players, I rely on the Rhodes Suitcase sound all night. Because it sounds fat enough for single note blowing. I only use the Grand Piano for solo piano gigs. For me, all digital piano acoustic pianos too artificial or something in a combo setting, especially for single note blowing.
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 12:59 AM

Did you play Yamahaís CP73 as well, Dave?
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 01:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Are you going again? If so, maybe you could take some good headphones and have a closer listen? Can you do fast one note trills with the new action?


Probably not, one day was about all I could take. cry

I didn't do any trills but it felt very responsive for the Jazz tunes I was blowing over. And some fairly bright tempos. And I was standing up playing. So it probably would be even better in normal sitting position.

I liked it better then the Nord Piano 4. But to be fair, between the over the top noise and the fact that the phones they provided were so bad, I actually thought the Royal Grand XL sample was a Rhodes. confused crazy

And those new Red monitors were simply worthless in that din for hearing anything. The NP4 can't sound as bad as it did in normal conditions.

I think you and everyone will highly dig the new improved sound and action of the new models. Rich Formadoni said all the new models have the same piano and same action too.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 01:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
Did you play Yamahaís CP73 as well, Dave?


Briefly. I didn't care for it.
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 01:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Originally Posted By: Fleer
Did you play Yamahaís CP73 as well, Dave?


Briefly. I didn't care for it.

Any thoughts on the action?
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 01:15 AM

Too synthy feeling, not substantial enough. It's not my thing at all.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 01:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris

I liked it better then the Nord Piano 4. But to be fair, between the over the top noise and the fact that the phones they provided were so bad, I actually thought the Royal Grand XL sample was a Rhodes. confused crazy


I actually did laugh out loud when I read this, and I don't laugh much. laugh
Posted By: Polkahero

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 01:17 AM

Looks like both new offerings have the same "powerful stereo speaker system" installed. 16 watts isn't exactly ear shattering, lol.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 01:21 AM

I mean everywhere I went the noise was so insane. I've never heard it so bad. Especially at the Marriott.

I've never been but to truly hear these keyboards, Sweetwater Gearfest is the place to go, not NAMM.

Heck even Guitar Center sounds like Studio A at Capitol compared to NAMM. rolleyes
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 01:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris

I've never been but to truly hear these keyboards, Sweetwater Gearfest is the place to go, not NAMM.

maybe. I really enjoyed Gearfest in 2018 but it was loud for sure.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 01:36 AM

Well maybe it's Guitar Center at 10 AM or lunch time during the week bringing in your own phones.
Posted By: SeaGtGruff

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 02:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Originally Posted By: SeaGtGruff
I asked Saul at YamahaMusicians.com about the CDP-S, and he asked Casio, and they said the new CDP-S models use AHL ii, not AiR or AiX.


Heís correct about the CDP-S100 only.
The CDP-S350 is a AiX variant.


That's good to know, since the CDP-S350 is the one that interests me. smile
Posted By: Radagast

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 09:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
Originally Posted By: Fleer
The PX-S3000 has USB-to-Device (audio) and USB-to-Host while the PX-S1000 only has the latter.

Apparently Casio have confirmed that USB Audio in the PX-S3000 is for recording audio to a USB stick only, so no USB Audio to a computer DAW.


Where did they confirm that?
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 11:20 AM

https://yamahamusicians.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=187&t=12498&start=180

@ Dave Ferris:
Thanks, synthy action should be fine for e-pianos. Iím thinking of getting a CP73 as well as the PX-S1000.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 01:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Rich Formadoni said all the new models have the same piano and same action too.

All the new models, or just the two new Privias? Because Mike Martin said that the new CDPs use that same action, but have different piano sound engines, both from the Privia and from each other.
Posted By: Brad Saucier

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 02:17 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott


I'm curious about things like what facilities it may have for quick patch recall of your favorites from among its 700 sounds, or from among any saved split/layer combinations you might assemble (registrations). Or are these still things you'd have to look at the older higher end models for?


The PX-S3000 has 96 registrations.
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 02:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
What I could hear, and felt, immediately was an improvement over earlier models. I could get around on it pretty good and heard the tone and sustain was much improved.


Just to clarify: when you say "sustain," do you mean the rate at which the tone decays? One thing about the last generation of Privias that drew criticism from a lot of people (including me) was that the piano tones decayed in volume too quickly. Would you say that issue has been addressed?
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 03:25 PM

Yes, they do. The timbre/tone is nice on the patches. But the decay is short. As we all know this is because of the length of sample, the storage for them on the instrument and the way the sustain and decay have been programmed - typically using looping to make up for shorter samples. Cost of storage is dropping - Kurzweil, Korg, and Yamaha are offering bigger piano libraries on their high end and mid level boards now. Iím sure Casio will do the same. PX-5S successor. Canít wait to see what theyíve improved.
Posted By: Radagast

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 04:37 PM

If itís true that I cannot play my iPad and iPhone sound engines using USB into the sound system of the PX-S3000, then itís a deal breaker. Too bad. It was so close.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 05:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Radagast
If itís true that I cannot play my iPad and iPhone sound engines using USB into the sound system of the PX-S3000, then itís a deal breaker.

Why not audio out of the i-device into audio-in of the PX? Yes, one more cable to run, but dealbreaker? (Yes, better if you have an earlier i-device with a headphone out, or an interface that has an audio out.)
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 06:38 PM






Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 07:12 PM




Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/26/19 07:21 PM

Finally a video with a glimpse of single note blowing without pedal, for a brief moment at 1:05 (nice sounding) ... Still haven't heard a clean Fender Rhodes sound in any video...my guess is they don't have one.

Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/27/19 03:00 PM

The Casio PX-S3000 won Best in Show, and our own Mike Martin got to play it for this largest audience ever this morning. Go Mike! Go Casio!
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/27/19 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Finally a video with a glimpse of single note blowing without pedal, for a brief moment at 1:05 (nice sounding) ... Still haven't heard a clean Fender Rhodes sound in any video...my guess is they don't have one.



It didn't sound that good when I was playing it. Probably due to medium quality phones and background noise level. That sounds at least as good, if not better, then the new Yamaha to me. It has a less processed, digital sound. They're going to sell a ton of these !

Demo #2 from Max. Me likey. thu
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/27/19 04:10 PM

Yes, those Max Tampia demos sound great, and so much better than the earlier demos I'd seen of the CDP-S100, glad to hear the difference in the sound engines.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/27/19 04:21 PM

Yeah don't they sound excellent ! Night and day improvement !
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/27/19 04:22 PM

Is "note blowing" with regards to piano some new hipster language?

In my 46 years of playing I have never, ever heard that term as it relates to the piano.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/27/19 04:31 PM

laugh

It's Jazz-speak. When horn players improvise, it's known as "blowing" or "blowing over the (Chord) changes".

It also relates to any instrument improvising in the Jazz context - piano, organ, guitar, vibes, bass , drums playing 4s or 8s or an extended solo, heck even accordion. Even vocalists when they scat (please don't wink ) it's considered blowing.

I hear it now being used in funk and RnB circles as well.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/27/19 04:38 PM

Cool. Yeah, I have always heard it with al the things you mentioned above, especially when I played trumpet. I just never heard it in the piano context.

Sounds odd to me...oh well I don't play jazz smile
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/27/19 04:51 PM

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
I don't play jazz smile


I try but on some days I don't either. wink smile
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/27/19 06:09 PM

There is a Kraft Music Youtube offering with Rich Formidoni where he demonstrates a Rhodes Sound without phaser etc. that sounds relatively decent.

It seems that the PXS 1000 offers quite a lot. It's good to hear that there are some favorable reports.

Does this have ( at least ) USB midi out ?
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 11:10 AM

Originally Posted By: LX88


Does this have ( at least ) USB midi out ?


Yes!
Posted By: BluMunk

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 12:38 PM

Man! This is such a great price . . . I'm really eager to give this a try (if only we had real retail keyboard shops in my area); I've been hoping to get out and try a P-515 and an ES8 (for home use only), but at ~1/2 the price of the Yamaha, and well under 1/2 the price of the Kawai, I feel like I should wait to try the PX-S3000.

I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts/experience with rear-mounted vs. top mounted speaker systems? I'm looking for something that's going to go up against a wall (practically, a few inches from the wall).

Do rear speakers like this turn "muddy" or just "warm" in that context?

Also, are the existing CS67 Stand and SP33 pedal compatible here (mostly, I'm interested in a stand-mounted pedal option)?
Posted By: mcpepe

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 01:56 PM

So what is the extra USB port in the S3000 for?
Connect an external midi controller?
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 01:58 PM

Typically one is for connection to pc and the other for record to/playback from.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 02:07 PM

Originally Posted By: BluMunk
Man! This is such a great price . . . I'm really eager to give this a try (if only we had real retail keyboard shops in my area); I've been hoping to get out and try a P-515 and an ES8 (for home use only), but at ~1/2 the price of the Yamaha, and well under 1/2 the price of the Kawai, I feel like I should wait to try the PX-S3000.

I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts/experience with rear-mounted vs. top mounted speaker systems? I'm looking for something that's going to go up against a wall (practically, a few inches from the wall).

Do rear speakers like this turn "muddy" or just "warm" in that context?

Also, are the existing CS67 Stand and SP33 pedal compatible here (mostly, I'm interested in a stand-mounted pedal option)?



Casio has taken this speaker approach for years with Privia models. It sounds outstanding against a wall - that is the intended use. The speakers are all new in this model, the best we've ever had in a Privia.

The existing CS stand and SP33 pedals are not compatible with the new Privia. The chassis is completely different so it won't fit on a CS67 stand. The CS68 stand is really nice - another upgrade from previous versions.
Posted By: BluMunk

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin

Casio has taken this speaker approach for years with Privia models. It sounds outstanding against a wall - that is the intended use. The speakers are all new in this model, the best we've ever had in a Privia.

The existing CS stand and SP33 pedals are not compatible with the new Privia. The chassis is completely different so it won't fit on a CS67 stand. The CS68 stand is really nice - another upgrade from previous versions.



Thanks! So am I right in understanding that at the moment there is no "mounted" pedal option for the S3000?
Posted By: drawback

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 02:20 PM

Speaking of pedals, and I think when someone like Mike Martin spends a serious amount of time with us here, it might be the right place to drop this... but I am wondering if sometime in the future some keyboards would come with wireless pedals. It seems like there are wireless options for battery-operation, bluetooth, etc. it would be so cool to not have to plug in ANYTHING.
Posted By: Brad Saucier

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 02:22 PM

Oh I see Mike answered.
Posted By: Polkahero

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 02:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Originally Posted By: BluMunk
Man! This is such a great price . . . I'm really eager to give this a try (if only we had real retail keyboard shops in my area); I've been hoping to get out and try a P-515 and an ES8 (for home use only), but at ~1/2 the price of the Yamaha, and well under 1/2 the price of the Kawai, I feel like I should wait to try the PX-S3000.

I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts/experience with rear-mounted vs. top mounted speaker systems? I'm looking for something that's going to go up against a wall (practically, a few inches from the wall).

Do rear speakers like this turn "muddy" or just "warm" in that context?

Also, are the existing CS67 Stand and SP33 pedal compatible here (mostly, I'm interested in a stand-mounted pedal option)?



Casio has taken this speaker approach for years with Privia models. It sounds outstanding against a wall - that is the intended use. The speakers are all new in this model, the best we've ever had in a Privia.

The existing CS stand and SP33 pedals are not compatible with the new Privia. The chassis is completely different so it won't fit on a CS67 stand. The CS68 stand is really nice - another upgrade from previous versions.



Is the sound output any louder than previous Privia models? If so, how many more decibels are we talking about?
Posted By: tfort

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 03:31 PM

Mike -

I'm concerned about the pivot length of the new action, as shown in a Casio International picture here:


















It had seemed a hopeful trend for pivot lengths to become longer over the last couple of years, so I'm worried that Casio is moving the other way.

Can you describe the new action and how it feels, especially it's weight and sensitivity toward the fallboard?

I'm especially concerned about how this might impact the PX-5S replacement when it comes.
Posted By: Theo Verelst

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 03:48 PM

It's nice to have a digital instrument for such low prices. Yet the technology doesn't superbly appeal to me, it's not like I can feel some special chip chucking away at the sound, or a special DSP signal path rendering a great sound. Some effects, al right, even the surround example is fun to listen to, and it certainly will teach people some playing pleasure, doubtlessly.

I don't think the way that's taken by most manufacturers is great compared to some of the times when there was great progress in what cheap mass-produced hardware could do. Whether that's al-right is another question, maybe people want simple, overseeable instruments without a super laserharp that blows them away, it's clear in which camp I'd be though...

T.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 03:52 PM

The action was my biggest concern when I saw the new design. I can tell you without hesitation that there wasnít a single person that I met with at the NAMM show but didnít think that this was a significant improvement in every way over previous models.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 03:59 PM

Without a doubt. Even in that din, I could instantly tell a vast improvement of night and day difference.

The only fault as a pianist, that reads a lot on gigs, I could find - the music rack would have been better being made of a solid panel so you could clip a stand light on it. A lot of guys/women still bring a separate stand though.

Based on what I heard and felt, this is recommended. thu
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 06:09 PM

Can the effects on ďElectric PianoĒ be turned off? It sounds as if Chorus is built in to the ďElectric PianoĒ. Can other characteristics of ďElectric ďPianoĒ be edited? Such as how much tine is sounded, hammer softness, overdrive, and so on?
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 09:49 PM

Originally Posted By: mcpepe
So what is the extra USB port in the S3000 for?
Connect an external midi controller?

Audio to USB stick.
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 10:49 PM

Can anyone provide a comparison between this and the Yamaha P125? I traded in 3 older things I wasn't using last summer for the P125 and am quite pleased (as a portable piano of course) of how the left hand bass sounds through the speakers and eq'd for rock, pop etc.

Now, I would imagine having owned a PX130 and trying the other pX series pianos that the action on the PX-S1000 would be more realistic, but how would it sound for rock music vs. classical and jazz?

My PX130 was decent, but when I was playing rock vs. classical/jazz I preferred the Yamaha.

Needless to say, kudos to Casio for developing something new this NAMM- my PX130 was made very well.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/28/19 11:14 PM

For jazz, it would sound very much like this. The PX-S series has much of the same tech as the Grand Hybrid used here.

Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/29/19 06:44 AM

Casio Soundcloud PX-S3000 and PX-S1000
Sounds Good!

PX-S3000

PX-S1000
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/29/19 09:28 AM

Keyboard Mag gives PX-S1000 a Key Buy award. Review by a jazz pianist.
Posted By: drawback

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/29/19 02:30 PM

When something piques my interest I usually research the ownerís manual. Has anyone seen manuals for these yet?
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/29/19 02:40 PM

Not yet, that I have seen, https://world.casio.com/manual/emi/

The new CDP-S___ are up though. So should not be long.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/29/19 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: brooster1
Casio Soundcloud PX-S3000 and PX-S1000
Sounds Good!

PX-S1000


I like that one, sounds good !

Really impressed with this !
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/29/19 06:01 PM

Really looking forward to a decent demo of the Wurli. Even if it's not up to par, this is a real contender. And if it's good, this is a no-brainer.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/29/19 09:30 PM

The Casio PX-S3000 has an Audio Recorder / Playback : Max 99 songs, approximately 25 min/song.
Is one able to export the audio, if so how and and are they in uncompressed (.wav) audio file format?

Is one able too edit and turn OFF the Chorus Effect on the patch called "Electric Piano" , or is the Chorus effect built in to "Electric Piano" samples?
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/29/19 09:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The Casio PX-S1000 has an Audio Recorder


Sorry this is incorrect. Only the PX-S3000 has this feature. Can you tell me where you found this so I can get it corrected?
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/29/19 10:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The Casio PX-S1000 has an Audio Recorder


Sorry this is incorrect. Only the PX-S3000 has this feature. Can you tell me where you found this so I can get it corrected?


Mike, looks like Jazz copied the text from the S3000 specs on the Casio site.

The Casio page is correct in that it only says that for the S3000. Perhaps a 3rd party has incorrectly copied details and posted the same for both boards.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/29/19 10:55 PM

Oops I meant to type PX-S3000, corrected now.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/29/19 10:58 PM

Nice "Electric Piano" (Fender Rhodes) "blowing" at 14:15. I guess there are multiple EP Fender Rhodes in the S3000 and one in the S1000. Yes?

Question: How do you export an audio recording from the S3000, and what file format would it be in?








Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 12:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Nice "Electric Piano" (Fender Rhodes) "blowing" at 14:15. I guess there are multiple EP Fender Rhodes in the S3000 and one in the S1000. Yes?

Question: How do you export an audio recording from the S3000, and what file format would it be in?



Like other Privia models, you add a USB stick and it records a .wav file. The electric piano Nick Smith is playing in the video is from the PX-S3000. You won't find that specific preset in the PX-S1000.

Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 03:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Nice "Electric Piano" (Fender Rhodes) "blowing" at 14:15. I guess there are multiple EP Fender Rhodes in the S3000 and one in the S1000. Yes?

Question: How do you export an audio recording from the S3000, and what file format would it be in?



Like other Privia models, you add a USB stick and it records a .wav file. The electric piano Nick Smith is playing in the video is from the PX-S3000. You won't find that specific preset in the PX-S1000.


I understand the S3000 has many more sounds than the S1000.
Approximately how many of them are piano and e-piano sounds?
Posted By: RichF

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 10:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
I understand the S3000 has many more sounds than the S1000.
Approximately how many of them are piano and e-piano sounds?


There are 42 Tones in the E.Piano category (excluding GM Tones), but this also includes clavs, bells and harpsichords. 24 of them are strictly electric pianos.
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 11:33 AM

Thanks, Rich, and congrats on those great vids.
Any info on the ROM (samples) size of both keyboards?
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 11:51 AM

Rich, I saw you mentioned in a video that "all the great sounds that you hear in {the} higher end CTX models" are in the PX-S3000. Can you be more precise about that? i.e.:

* Are all the PX-S3000 sounds (other than acoustic piano) the same as those in the CT-X5000? (including the electric pianos)

* What about the non-acoustic piano sounds in the PX-S1000? Are they the same as the PX-160, or have those also been updated to CTX sounds (or are they something else entirely)?

* Obviously not *all* of the CT-X5000 sounds can be in the PX-S3000, because the former has 800 sounds and the latter has 700 sounds. Do you have any info about what hasn't been brought over? I assume the APs would be a logical set to cut, since the PX ones would presumably be better. Are the other "categories" of sounds that didn't make the cut, or are they scattered sounds from among different categories?
Posted By: RichF

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 12:51 PM

Thanks Fleer! Casio actually doesn't publicize ROM size specs, so I'm afraid I don't have an answer for you on that one.

AnotherScott, my comment about "all the great sounds you hear in the higher end CT-X" could have come out better. It is missing some of the sounds as you say, but it does have the effects editing capability of the CT-X3000/5000. We are close but not quite at the final spec so I'll need to hold off on exactly which sounds are missing.

The PX-S1000's non-piano sounds are indeed different than what's in the PX-160 and CT-X.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 01:06 PM

Iím confused. Are all the Electric Pianos in the S3000 from the CTX series ?
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 01:39 PM

Originally Posted By: RichF
We are close but not quite at the final spec so I'll need to hold off on exactly which sounds are missing.
I think this is the key phrase regarding the PX-S3000 in what Rich has posted. Until the spec of the PX-S3000 is finalized, they won't be able to say exactly what's in it. Or, they could say what was in it at NAMM but it could change, so they'd be better off saying they don't know yet.

Jazz+ My guess is that the EPs in the PX-S3000 will be similar to the CT-X ones, but with more DSP power and thus many more possibilities. I'd be surprised if the chorus was "baked in" the tine-style EP on that model, but I can't say for sure. (OTOH, look at the PX-S1000 as a PX-160 replacement, and it's possible the effects would be baked in on those tones if they are on the PX-160. Again, just guessing based on what past models have had.)
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 02:14 PM

Everything about the effects on the EPs (and other tones) can be fully modified on the PX-S3000.
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 02:59 PM

Thanks Mike.
I just hope the PX-S1000 will remain interesting enough.
There's something about that sleek screenless slab I just love.
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 03:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
I just hope the PX-S1000 will remain interesting enough.
There's something about that sleek screenless slab I just love.
They both look like that, no? Especially when they're powered down.
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 03:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
Originally Posted By: Fleer
I just hope the PX-S1000 will remain interesting enough.
There's something about that sleek screenless slab I just love.
They both look like that, no? Especially when they're powered down.

It's the little things. No knobs, no levers. If they don't cripple the PX-S1000 I'll get several.
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 04:57 PM

BTW... regarding competition with these Casios...

Did anyone happen to hear the new Roland FP -10 at NAMM?

It lists for $ 499.00. Apparently it has the Supernatural piano of some sort, and the Rhodes demo I heard didn't sound too bad.

I recently played an FP- 30 and was pleasantly surprised. The only thing to compare it to was the new Yamaha portable, P 125 or something.

I thought the Roland FP 30 held up well to that.

The FP 10 has also perked my interest in the Portable category.
Posted By: drawback

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 06:27 PM

Question re splits: will the sustain pedal operation be editable for either side of a split? Many folks prefer Left Hand Bass not to sustain, however, I do.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 08:37 PM

Can I assume the Chorus is ďbaked inĒ on the ďElectric PianoĒ in the S1000?
I own a CTX . If I buy a S3000 will I be getting much a improved sounding ďElectric PianosĒ than what I have in the CTX? Thanks
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Can I assume the Chorus is ďbaked inĒ on the ďElectric PianoĒ in the S1000?
I own a CTX . If I buy a S3000 will I be getting much a improved sounding ďElectric PianosĒ than what I have in the CTX? Thanks


What model CT-X?
Posted By: Mighty Motif Max

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/30/19 11:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Can I assume the Chorus is ďbaked inĒ on the ďElectric PianoĒ in the S1000?
I own a CTX . If I buy a S3000 will I be getting much a improved sounding ďElectric PianosĒ than what I have in the CTX? Thanks


What model CT-X?


I'm guessing it's the CT-X 700 is listed in his signature.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 12:36 AM

I have a CT-X700. I was under the impression that that their sound engine produced the same quality (fidelity) of patches across four models of CT-X. Only that they could be edited on the higher models with more additional features and bigger speakers.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 01:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I have CTx-700 as listed in my signature since they debuted. I researched the CTx models at that time and was under the impression that I was told that their sound engine produced the same quality (fidelity or resolution) of patches across four models of CTX. Only that they could be edited on the higher models with more additional features and bigger speakers.


There are MORE tones on the higher end models which also provide access to countless effect algorithms.

I frankly haven't had a moment to do a side by side but just due to the nature of the fact that you can edit effects on the PX-S3000 those patches that are the same or similar as your CT-X700 have the ability to be significantly different. There are over 90 amplifier models to choose from in some of the distortion algorithms as an example - add this to the modulation effects, it is a different animal.
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 03:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
Originally Posted By: Fleer
I just hope the PX-S1000 will remain interesting enough.
There's something about that sleek screenless slab I just love.
They both look like that, no? Especially when they're powered down.

It's the little things. No knobs, no levers. If they don't cripple the PX-S1000 I'll get several.
If you want zero, okay. The PX-S3000 has a pitch bend wheel and two modulation knobs, all on the left side of the keys. It still looks pretty clean to me, but if you don't need them, the PX-S1000 should do. thu
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 02:53 PM



I guess their PX-S3000 video is still being completed.
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 03:20 PM

^Wow it's so nice and quiet at this NAMM! Must have been a lull in the action...

Ok so I'm trying to get up to speed here. Disregarding the auxiliary sounds, are the core pianos ("Grand Piano Concert," "Bright," "Mellow," "Rock" and "Jazz") the same in both the PX-S1000 and PX-S3000? At $600 the 1000 is just barely above impulse purchase level. The 3000 not so much.

Both could function as an addition to a main rig for times you want to just grab a keyboard for piano and go. I hope the speakers are decent. Battery power is a plus for things I'm thinking about.
Posted By: Sam CA

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 03:37 PM

Obviously you can't do any type of critical listening at the show but still I really liked what I heard. I hadn't played a Casio in years and this came as a shock to me! They've done a great job at this price range. I might even get the S1000. The fact that you can use the pedal to turn pages and control various functions is great too.
Posted By: johnchop

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 03:46 PM

The 3000 ticks a ton of boxes for me. Can't wait to get my hands on one. Feel is key, and if there's some approximation of escapement so that keys repeat without full travel, all the better.

More often than not I'd be controlling virtual keys with it, but the built-in patches sound like they'd be more than adequate for any live situation I'd find myself in.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 05:28 PM

Between the Max demo a few pages back and the one Joe posted - no way it sounded that good to me in the din of NAMM with phones. Or the little I could make out with the internals and mini- desk type monitors they had set up.

Ditto with that video I just posted on the CP88. These line in recordings are worlds apart from what you're hearing at NAMM, with questionable quality phones.

Again, I found the Casio action very good and not getting in the way of anything I was trying to play. The Nord Piano 4 felt sort of clunky by comparison fwiw.

I'd be surprised to hear of anyone not liking it.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 05:42 PM

I'm sold on the new 2019 S1000 and S3000 models.
My only reservation is its clean tone Fender Rhodes piano for jazz blowing.

The S1000 only has a Dyno-Rhodes with Chorus built in. That wont work for jazz blowing. It does not have a clean tone Rhodes.

I believe that the S3000 clean tone Rhodes is based on the CTX series Rhodes. The 2018 CTX Rhodes were inferior, imo, to the PX-360 and PX560 Rhodes. I did a side by side.
My hope is that the new S series software and key action improves the sample clarity and the dynamic response of the clean tone Fender Rhodes patches.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 07:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The S1000 only has a Dyno-Rhodes with Chorus built in.

Where did you find that info? That's surprising, since the similarly 18-sound PX-160 that it is effectively superseding had two Rhodes EP sounds (and a Wurli and a DX7-FM).

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The 2018 CTX Rhodes were inferior, imo, to the PX-360 and PX560 Rhodes. I did a side by side.
And even the 560 has some additional nice Rhodes sounds that are not in the 360. But I'm curious, did you ever try playing your CTX Rhodes from your 360? Maybe they would not be inferior if you played them from a hammer action? (It's not the easiest thing to test since the CTX doesn't have a standard MIDI port, but you can do it if both keyboards are connected to a computer.)
Posted By: Mighty Motif Max

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
...(It's not the easiest thing to test since the CTX doesn't have a standard MIDI port, but you can do it if both keyboards are connected to a computer.)


How would someone do that? Is it possible with any pair of usb-midi and 5-pin midi keyboards? Or two USB-midi keyboards?
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 08:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
...(It's not the easiest thing to test since the CTX doesn't have a standard MIDI port, but you can do it if both keyboards are connected to a computer.)


How would someone do that? Is it possible with any pair of usb-midi and 5-pin midi keyboards? Or two USB-midi keyboards?

Once you connect two keyboards to your computer (or iPad)--regardless of whether the keyboards are connected via their USB ports or standard MIDI jacks--you then have the ability to route things between them, so you can play the keys on one and trigger the sounds on the other.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The S1000 only has a Dyno-Rhodes with Chorus built in.

Where did you find that info? That's surprising, since the similarly 18-sound PX-160 that it is effectively superseding had two Rhodes EP sounds (and a Wurli and a DX7-FM).

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The 2018 CTX Rhodes were inferior, imo, to the PX-360 and PX560 Rhodes. I did a side by side.
And even the 560 has some additional nice Rhodes sounds that are not in the 360. But I'm curious, did you ever try playing your CTX Rhodes from your 360? Maybe they would not be inferior if you played them from a hammer action? (It's not the easiest thing to test since the CTX doesn't have a standard MIDI port, but you can do it if both keyboards are connected to a computer.)


I listened very carefully to every demo of the S1000's "Electric Piano", repeatedly... It's a Dyno-Rhodes type (dingy bell attack) with Chorus effect built in. It's NOT a clean tone Rhodes for jazz blowing. So that leads me to the S3000.

I compared my PX-360 clean Fender Rhodes, side by side, with the CT-X700 clean Fender Rhodes using Sony MDR 506 headphones. The PX-360 clean Rhodes had a better simulation, something was lacking with the clean tone Tender Rhodes in the CT=X700. My iPhone Scarbee clean Fender Rhodes still sounded fantastic when played from the CT-X700 key bed and from the PX-360 key bed. Therefore, I doubt the CT-X700 key bed was diminishing its internal clean Fender Rhodes patches.

Does the clean tone Rhodes in the S3000 have better clarity and dynamic response than the CT-X series clean tone Rhodes did? Who knows?
Posted By: Mighty Motif Max

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 10:23 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
...(It's not the easiest thing to test since the CTX doesn't have a standard MIDI port, but you can do it if both keyboards are connected to a computer.)


How would someone do that? Is it possible with any pair of usb-midi and 5-pin midi keyboards? Or two USB-midi keyboards?

Once you connect two keyboards to your computer (or iPad)--regardless of whether the keyboards are connected via their USB ports or standard MIDI jacks--you then have the ability to route things between them, so you can play the keys on one and trigger the sounds on the other.


Do I need special software to do this? I run Cubase AI 9.5, but also have Studio One 4 Prime, GarageBand, and Audacity. My interface can handle one set of 5-pin jacks, and then I could connect a usb-midi keyboard to a normal usb port on the computer?
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 10:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I listened very carefully to every demo of the S1000's "Electric Piano", repeatedly... It's a Dyno-Rhodes type (dingy bell attack) with Chorus effect built in.

I'm not doubting that the S1000 has a dyno-sounding Rhodes sound in it... I'm asking how you know that that is the *only* Rhodes sound in it. The model it's superseding has two, so I'm surprised to hear this only has one.

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I compared my PX-360 clean Fender Rhodes, side by side, with the CT-X700 clean Fender Rhodes using Sony MDR 506 headphones. The PX-360 clean Rhodes had a better simulation, something was lacking with the clean tone Tender Rhodes in the CT=X700. My iPhone Scarbee clean Fender Rhodes still sounded fantastic when played from the CT-X700 key bed and from the PX-360 key bed. Therefore, I doubt the CT-X700 key bed was diminishing its internal clean Fender Rhodes patches.

Another interesting "level the playing field" test could be to play a MIDI file into the Rhodes sounds of both keyboards, and see if you still hear the same "something lacking" in the CTX Rhodes vs the PX360.
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 01/31/19 10:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max
[quote=AnotherScott]...(It's not the easiest thing to test since the CTX doesn't have a standard MIDI port, but you can do it if both keyboards are connected to a computer.)


How would someone do that? Is it possible with any pair of usb-midi and 5-pin midi keyboards? Or two USB-midi keyboards?

Once you connect two keyboards to your computer (or iPad)--regardless of whether the keyboards are connected via their USB ports or standard MIDI jacks--you then have the ability to route things between them, so you can play the keys on one and trigger the sounds on the other.


Do I need special software to do this? I run Cubase AI 9.5, but also have Studio One 4 Prime, GarageBand, and Audacity. My interface can handle one set of 5-pin jacks, and then I could connect a usb-midi keyboard to a normal usb port on the computer? [/quote]

Yes you need software, I use free MIDI-OX for that, but others should be able to route midi as well. You can connect two keyboards directly to USB ports on your PC, or to 5-din on your interface.
Don't know how to do that on iPad though. Probably iMidiPatchBay.
Posted By: mcpepe

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 06:00 AM

Can the S1000 or S3000 act as an audio interface from the USB port?
Posted By: RichF

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 10:33 AM

Originally Posted By: mcpepe
Can the S1000 or S3000 act as an audio interface from the USB port?


The USB ports on PX-S models is for USB-MIDI only and doesn't act as an audio interface.
Posted By: mcpepe

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 10:43 AM

Originally Posted By: RichF
Originally Posted By: mcpepe
Can the S1000 or S3000 act as an audio interface from the USB port?


The USB ports on PX-S models is for USB-MIDI only and doesn't act as an audio interface.


Ok. Thanks.
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 02:01 PM

Can the USB on the PX-S models trigger Pianoteq? If so, My guess is that you would have to send the audio from the audio out on the computer or use a separate audio interface.
Correct?
I wish Casio would Let the USB be full functioning.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 02:16 PM

Any keyboard with either USB MIDI or 5-pin DIN MIDI can trigger Pianoteq. With USB as on the PX-S, just run a USB cable from the piano to the computer. But I think your question is not really about triggering Pianoteq, but about how you will hear Pianoteq. If you want to hear Pianoteq through the Casio's internal speakers, yes, you'd run a cable from the Audio Out of your computer or interface to the 1/8" stereo audio in of the PX. Of course, you'd also have the option of listening to Pianoteq through any other speakers connected to your computer (or through headphones).
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 04:52 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I listened very carefully to every demo of the S1000's "Electric Piano", repeatedly... It's a Dyno-Rhodes type (dingy bell attack) with Chorus effect built in.

I'm not doubting that the S1000 has a dyno-sounding Rhodes sound in it... I'm asking how you know that that is the *only* Rhodes sound in it. The model it's superseding has two, so I'm surprised to hear this only has one.


In the video with Rich Formidoni at Kraft, he steps through the 4 electric pianos in order: Dyno-Chorus-Rhodes (D key), DX7 type 1 (Eb key), DX7 type 2 (E key), Wurly with Tremolo (F key), and continues on with Harpsichord (F# key), Vibes (G key), Strings (Ab key), etc...

It's at 5:00, I watched the video clip at .75 and .50 speeds with Sony MDR 7506 headphones to make sure of what I was hearing.

Thus, one has to buy the S3000 to get a decent clean Rhodes tone.

Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
In the video with Rich Formidoni at Kraft, he steps through the 4 electric pianos in order: Dyno-Chorus-Rhodes (D key), DX7 type 1 (Eb key), DX7 type 2 (E key), Wurly with Tremolo (F key), and continues on with Harpsichord (F# key), Vibes (G key), Strings (Ab key), etc...

Thanks, good catch. I'm not a fan of that Rhodes sound either. Though I'm not sure what the Eb key EP is!
Posted By: tfort

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 05:25 PM

Having to hold down a button and then touch one of the lowest octave keys to pick a sound seems like a very unapppealing result of the user interface choices. Iíd much rather have a screen and use a push-button dial to scroll, sort of like on the Numa Compact 2 and 2X, or have up and down buttons.

If the S-1000 had a built in audio interface which allowed playing iPad instruments through the line outs, Iíd be extremely interested. I very much like a board this light with a keybed reported to feel as good as it does, but I think a built-in audio interface for easy iOS integration will be a sine qua non to any new keyboards purchased for me moving forward.

Very interested to see what Casio will do with PX-5S replacement Mike has hinted at.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 05:42 PM

Patch changing while holding a button is not a problem for me.

The PX-S1000 has AUDIO IN : Yes (Stereo mini)
Posted By: tfort

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The PX-S1000 has AUDIO IN : Yes (Stereo mini)


My new iPad Pro has no headphone out, unless I use a dongle adapter. One USB cable between an iPad or phone and the keyboard would be so nice and clean...
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 06:32 PM

The PX-S1000 has Blue Tooth and USB TO HOST.
Posted By: MPN21

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 06:34 PM

I wonder why only the S1000 is available also in white. White S3000, please.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 07:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The PX-S1000 has Blue Tooth and USB TO HOST.

Casio's USB TO HOST is for MIDI only, not audio... audio is the "missing feature" tfort is asking about, which some other boards can do. Bluetooth isn't a substitute for this because of latency.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 08:46 PM

Ok, which digital piano does have USB Audio ?

By the way, did you see my reply: 4 electric pianos in order: Dyno-Chorus-Rhodes (D key), DX7 type 1 (Eb key), DX7 type 2 (E key), Wurly with Tremolo (F key), and continues on with Harpsichord (F# key), Vibes (G key), Strings (Ab key), etc...
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Posted By: Mighty Motif Max

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 09:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Ok, which digital piano does have USB Audio ?

By the way, did you see my reply: 4 electric pianos in order: Dyno-Chorus-Rhodes (D key), DX7 type 1 (Eb key), DX7 type 2 (E key), Wurly with Tremolo (F key), and continues on with Harpsichord (F# key), Vibes (G key), Strings (Ab key), etc...
"


Pretty sure Scott's comment was dry humor as in the Eb EP doesn't sound like what it's supposed to?
Posted By: Radagast

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 09:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Ok, which digital piano does have USB Audio ?



The Numa Compact series does as well as Dexibellís pianos.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 10:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max
Pretty sure Scott's comment was dry humor as in the Eb EP doesn't sound like what it's supposed to?

Right, I didn't recognize it as an FM piano, or any other particular recognizable piano sound.

Originally Posted By: Radagast
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Ok, which digital piano does have USB Audio


The Numa Compact series does as well as Dexibellís pianos.

Also some Yamahas including MX88 and the new CP73/CP88; some Rolands including DS88, RD-2000 and FA-08.
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/01/19 11:41 PM

Originally Posted By: tfort
Having to hold down a button and then touch one of the lowest octave keys to pick a sound seems like a very unapppealing result of the user interface choices. Iíd much rather have a screen and use a push-button dial to scroll, sort of like on the Numa Compact 2 and 2X, or have up and down buttons.
That's because the PX-S1000 is theÖ less expensive model. The PX-S3000 has a screen and dedicated buttons, etc.

This interface method (Function button and keyboard key) has been used by Casio for years on models such as the CDP-1xx series and the PX-1xx series.

However, both new models can be configured with the Chordana Play for Piano app. This is new for the four newly announced Casios (CDP-S and PX-S series).
Posted By: Radagast

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/02/19 10:53 AM

Originally Posted By: tfort
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The PX-S1000 has AUDIO IN : Yes (Stereo mini)


My new iPad Pro has no headphone out, unless I use a dongle adapter. One USB cable between an iPad or phone and the keyboard would be so nice and clean...


Exactly why Casio should be doing what other keyboard companies are doing.

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Radagast
If itís true that I cannot play my iPad and iPhone sound engines using USB into the sound system of the PX-S3000, then itís a deal breaker.

Why not audio out of the i-device into audio-in of the PX? Yes, one more cable to run, but dealbreaker? (Yes, better if you have an earlier i-device with a headphone out, or an interface that has an audio out.)


As noted above Apple is making it more cluttered to use headphone outputs on their iPads. Also, I might want to use the audio in on the PX-S3000 for something else. Progress should be simplifying things not making them more complicated. Other companies can do it. So can Casio. Maybe at NAMM 2020 theyíll catch up.
Posted By: conundrum

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/05/19 02:25 PM

What is the Canadian pricing for these? Casio Canada just redirects to Casio USA, so I figure that Rich or Mike would know.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/05/19 02:37 PM

Originally Posted By: conundrum
What is the Canadian pricing for these? Casio Canada just redirects to Casio USA, so I figure that Rich or Mike would know.


Just poking around online some Canada Casio retailers I am seeing the PX-5S going for $1299, and the PX-560 going for $1499.

Compared to some USA retailer the PX-5S is $999, and the PX-560 is $1199.

The few Canadian retailers I checked do not have the new PXS1000 or 3000 listed yet.
A major USA retailer has the S1000 at $599 and the S3000 at $799

Extrapolate as you will smile
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/05/19 06:41 PM

I just pre-ordered a S3000 from Adam at Kraft, free shipping.
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/05/19 06:45 PM

^ Please post your initial impressions when it arrives smile
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/05/19 07:22 PM

I will after I do a careful side by side of the PX-S3000 with my current Casio Privia PX-360. I will be mostly considering the action, the Grand Piano, the clean tone Rhodes, the Vibes, and the performance ability of the speakers. Those are the main factors I care about.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/05/19 07:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Clean tone "Electric Piano" (Fender Rhodes) "blowing" at 14:15. I guess there are multiple EP Fender Rhodes in the S3000 and one Dyno-Rhodes with Chorus built in in the S1000.







What is the name of the Tone he's playing at 14:15? It's a clean tone Rhodes sound and the sole reason I pre-ordered a S3000 instead of a S1000.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/05/19 10:52 PM

Rhodes at the beginning

Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/06/19 04:38 PM

Casio Privia PX-S1000 - Demo Grand Piano by Max Tempia

Casio PX S3000 NAMM SHOW 2019 MUZYKUJ

Casio PX S1000 NAMM SHOW 2019 MUZYKUJ
Posted By: b3plyr

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/06/19 07:12 PM

Anyone found a user manual for the PX-S3000? If not - Mike, can you tell us when it will be available?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/06/19 08:29 PM

I think they are still working on finalizing the Tones and manuals. Iím praying for a fantastic clean tone Fender Rhodes Suitcase in the S3000 that is expressive and realistic.
I heard shipping is in April.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/07/19 03:11 PM

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NEW VIDEO OUT TODAY 2/7/2019. This is what I have been waiting to hear.

1. JAZZ SOLOING at 0:44 (single note blowing with Steve Weingart Duo)

2. Clean tone "Fender Rhodes Suitcase" at 3:22 (single note blowing with Larry Dunn of EWF)

Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/07/19 10:11 PM

So... I play a PX5s and am actually a Casio endorser down here in Mexico. I really want to fall in love with the 3000. I played it at NAMM and it sounded and felt excellent but about the same to me, given the environment. I doubt Iíd be disappointed by the sound.

Am I really the only one who predicts the smooth and shiny black surface is going to look terrible after a few minutes of touching? And am I the only one to notice the increase in weight over the PX5s?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/07/19 10:16 PM

I'll have a micro fiber cloth nearby, like guitar players do.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/07/19 10:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazzooo
And am I the only one to notice the increase in weight over the PX5s?


Yes.

PX-5S - 24.47 lbs.
PX-S1000 - 24.7 lbs.
PX-S3000 - 25.1 lbs.

Quote:
Am I really the only one who predicts the smooth and shiny black surface is going to look terrible after a few minutes of touching?


Did they look bad at NAMM? No. Hundreds of people were touching them all day.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/07/19 10:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazzooo
And am I the only one to notice the increase in weight over the PX5s?

PX5S has no amp/speakers. I believe the new PX-S models are lighter than any previous Privia with speakers.
Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/07/19 10:38 PM

Thanks, Mike. I just figured there were Casio elves with windex and paper towels lurking. smile The removal of the mod wheelóhow does one apply tremelo to a wurly on the 3000? I need to spend time getting to know how to layer sounds and so on. When I read about it, I see so many features aimed at home users that I just donít need. I understand that they will be a big market for this one, but there are many things Iíll never use. USB slot for my own performances? The capability to play along with ďchart toppingĒ rhythm tracks? The dual piano setting for teachers? But all of the above is true for the PX5s as well. Iím just st a note, tone and feel music maker.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/07/19 10:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazzooo
Thanks, Mike. I just figured there were Casio elves with windex and paper towels lurking. smile The removal of the mod wheelóhow does one apply tremelo to a wurly on the 3000? I need to spend time getting to know how to layer sounds and so on. When I read about it, I see so many features aimed at home users that I just donít need. I understand that they will be a big market for this one, but there are many things Iíll never use. USB slot for my own performances? The capability to play along with ďchart toppingĒ rhythm tracks? The dual piano setting for teachers? But all of the above is true for the PX5s as well. Iím just st a note, tone and feel music maker.


You can add tremolo with a knob. How to layer? Press the layer button then select the tone you want. It is pretty quick.
Yes it has rhythms and other features that you may not use.
Quote:
But all of the above is true for the PX5s as well.


No the PX-5S doesn't have rhythms and layering sounds requires you to turn on another zone - it is a different process all together. The PX-5S also doesn't have "duet mode" although you could configure a Stage Setting that way in just a few steps.
Maybe the PX-S3000 isn't for you. Different products for different customers.
Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/07/19 10:46 PM

I was unclear, sorryóI just meant there are features Iíd never use in the PX5s as well. Iím not sure why you sound a little salty, MikeóI did the best I could to learn about it at the show but itís not the best environment for me.
Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/07/19 10:49 PM

By the way, that is great that the process of layering is simpler on this axe. I use that a bit now but Iíd use it more if it were simpler than on the 5s.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/07/19 11:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Originally Posted By: Jazzooo
And am I the only one to notice the increase in weight over the PX5s?


Yes.

PX-5S - 24.47 lbs.
PX-S1000 - 24.7 lbs.
PX-S3000 - 25.1 lbs.



Mike, that 10 oz difference of the S3000 over the 5S is unacceptable [/sarcasm]

Quick q: does the S3000 accept ProgramChange over midi?
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/07/19 11:44 PM

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks

Quick q: does the S3000 accept ProgramChange over midi?


Yes
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/08/19 12:55 AM

Salty!
Posted By: cphollis

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/08/19 01:11 AM

This is the first Casio that has interested me. Obviously, packed with great voices and a decent action. Built-in speakers? Battery powered? I might have found my new go-to-a-party board.
Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/08/19 07:56 PM

The built in speakers are the most intriguing addition for me--my Latin jazz group rehearses at really reasonable volume levels and I'd love to just show up with this axe and and stand and nothing else.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/08/19 07:57 PM

Add a very small lightweight mono floor amp and you can be as loud as a grand piano. It really enhances the piano's bass notes. I've been going to solo piano gigs for years like that. So the on-board speakers handle the highs and the little amp handles the bass reinforcement.
Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/08/19 10:20 PM

Are there any screen shots, I guess you'd call them, of the controls which appear on the front panel of the PXS3000 once powered up?
Posted By: ap297

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/09/19 12:41 PM

Is it possible to drive my X5dr rack mount with standard 5 pin midi ports with this new Casio without using a computer? I noticed two types of usb connectors on the Casio. Can either usb connector drive a simple usb-to-midi convertor hooked directly to my X5dr (korg)?
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/09/19 01:11 PM

Originally Posted By: ap297
Is it possible to drive my X5dr rack mount with standard 5 pin midi ports with this new Casio without using a computer? I noticed two types of usb connectors on the Casio. Can either usb connector drive a simple usb-to-midi convertor hooked directly to my X5dr (korg)?

The short answer is no, but these "less simple"ones should work...

www.hobbytronics.co.uk/usb-midi-converter

www.kentonuk.com/products/items/utilities/usb-host.shtml

www.excelvalley.com/product/midi-usb-din-converter/

www.compasflamenco.com/midi-c-3/usb-host-midi-2-p-6.html

www.thomann.de/gb/miditech_usb_midi_host.htm

www.thomann.de/gb/mode_machines_cerebel_usb.htm

They also need to be powered.

Another variable would be what Casio controls send MIDI, and what control you have over that. For example, on most keyboards, changing the patch from the front panel also sends out a MIDI Program Change, and there may or may not be a way to turn that off. So you could end up in a situation where calling up a different sound on your board sends an undesired program change to an attached module. Being able to manage the sounds on the Casio and the X5dr in combination could be another reason you want to bring some kind of computer (even just an iPhone/iPad) into the mix.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/09/19 01:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazzooo
Are there any screen shots, I guess you'd call them, of the controls which appear on the front panel of the PXS3000 once powered up?


Not yet. The front panel controls actually change completely depending on what you're doing, so not all the controls are lit up at once.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/10/19 08:10 AM

Mike Martin , I would like to know if you would be able to make some videos with the S 3000 recording it through the on board speakers or through a mixer and speakers so we can get a more accurate picture of what it would sound like in a live situation , it sounds great coming through a recorder . Thanks .
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/10/19 12:25 PM

Originally Posted By: pianomike
Mike Martin , I would like to know if you would be able to make some videos with the S 3000 recording it through the on board speakers or through a mixer and speakers so we can get a more accurate picture of what it would sound like in a live situation , it sounds great coming through a recorder . Thanks .
That's kind of hard, as the environment can have a big effect on how it would sound, as well as the method of recording including mics, mic position, etc. (Not to mention your own listening environment when listening to any recording.) Frankly, that might be something you'll have to test for yourself when it's shipping. I'd suggest buying it from someplace with a good return policy. smile
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/10/19 12:54 PM

I believe a number of the live at NAMM videos, in this thread, reveal the on-board speakers in that wild audio environment.
Posted By: Reezekeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/10/19 01:25 PM

Just an aside - what exactly would one learn by hearing a recording of how a keyboard's on board speakers sound on the NAMM floor? Is that the typical listening environment Casio Ė or any other keyboard manufacturer that makes a slab DP with built-in speakers†Ė designs for? I'm pretty sure it isn't.
Posted By: Brad Saucier

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/10/19 02:12 PM

The best way (for me, the only way) to audition internal speaker sound quality is to listen in person. I don't trust recordings of them. It's easy to get the wrong impression from a recording.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/13/19 12:26 AM

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New video: Editing software



Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/13/19 12:36 AM

What can be edited on the PX-S3000 Electric Piano other than Reverb and Chorus???
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/13/19 11:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
What can be edited on the PX-S3000 Electric Piano other than Reverb and Chorus???


The insert effects. 90+ amplifier profiles and more. Details to come.
Posted By: b3plyr

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/13/19 02:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Brad Saucier
The best way (for me, the only way) to audition internal speaker sound quality is to listen in person. I don't trust recordings of them. It's easy to get the wrong impression from a recording.

+1
Posted By: Jazz+

Tom Brislin plays PX-S3000 - 02/13/19 07:58 PM

Posted By: Jon Bryson

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/13/19 09:19 PM

Just curious, do the assignable knobs send MIDI cc so I can use while controlling VSTs?
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Tom Brislin plays PX-S3000 - 02/13/19 10:03 PM

He doesnít appear to be adapting his technique here for the action, at least not significantly. At about 24lbs and being this slim, how is it the keyboard isnít sliding on this table? Velcroíd In place? I canít wait till one shows up near me - it has to be tried out. Not sure Iíll plunge - but it will be a good indicator of what we can expect from PX-5S Part Deux.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Tom Brislin plays PX-S3000 - 02/13/19 11:11 PM

I would guess they put rubber feet under it like most keyboards.
I think Mike Martin said this is the Stage Piano Tone and not the 001 Grand Piano Tone.
Posted By: LX88

Re: Tom Brislin plays PX-S3000 - 02/14/19 10:53 PM

I am not familiar with this piece.

I never listened to Kansas in the 70's... it surprises me how ambitious it is. Quite a feat of memorization. You would just about have to make a religion out of this.

But once again... the Casio comes off well in the recording, and continues to perk interest. The obviously well qualified people playing these things don't seem to be having any issues.

Has Casio really done it this time?
Posted By: mcpepe

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/15/19 11:03 AM

I would love to see more videos of the Casio PX-S3000 in action. Specially not piano sounds, but all those 700? sounds included in the board. Do we have synths, pads, strings, mellotron,... I dont have any doubt the piano sounds are on par (or even better) than the common Yamaha or Roland stage pianos. But what about the "other" sounds?
I think we have to wait for the manual to see the details of the extra features from the S1000 to the S3000. It shouldn't last much more, isn't it?
Posted By: Mills Dude

Re: Tom Brislin plays PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 12:07 PM

Song for America, one of my fav tunes. Took me a good 3 days to learn all the parts back in the days before slow downers. Probably took Tom about about an hour! Just saw on the Kansas website 2 weeks ago that Tom is joining them on keyboards, what a great score for Kansas. They seem to have some new life with the new vocalist and Tom brings great vocals to add to the mix.

Tom is certainly building up his prog resume. I wish him all the best, he's a super talented dude.

It's amazing what Kerry Livgren was able to accomplish as a writer. He wasn't really known for keyboard wizardry but those Kansas tunes are full of great parts that require some technique to pull off.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/15/19 02:08 PM

Originally Posted By: mcpepe
I would love to see more videos of the Casio PX-S3000 in action. Specially not piano sounds, but all those 700? sounds included in the board. Do we have synths, pads, strings, mellotron,...

From what I understand, the non-piano sounds are drawn from the CTX-3000/5000... most of those sounds are in the S3000. So those videos could give you a good idea.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Tom Brislin plays PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 02:28 PM

Originally Posted By: LX88
I never listened to Kansas in the 70's... it surprises me how ambitious it is. Quite a feat of memorization. You would just about have to make a religion out of this.

Like most prog, I guess. ;-) Here's what it sounds like when you're not just listening to the keyboard part...


Posted By: mcpepe

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/15/19 02:34 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott

From what I understand, the non-piano sounds are drawn from the CTX-3000/5000... most of those sounds are in the S3000. So those videos could give you a good idea.

Thanks for the info. I will have a look.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/15/19 02:53 PM

Drawn from, but on a new "sound engine" chip. Perhaps with better clarity? And with new software enabling a better : key action to sound response.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Tom Brislin plays PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 08:54 PM

From the same album, an absolute killer Kansas tune. We covered it for years, always my all time favorite tune of the night. Steve Walsh was one of the best rock singers of his day.

Yes, Virginia, you can rock hard in 6.

Posted By: David Emm

Re: Tom Brislin plays PX-S3000 - 02/15/19 09:13 PM

I like to think that WE certainly know to drop in our YouTube filters when absorbing instrument demos. I allow a loss of an arbitrary 10% for the compression(s) involved, another 10% for bad 'mastering' in some cases (cheap phone mics, noisy NAMM location, etc.) and another 10% for the lack of air, even headphone air, through which the sound can move. Between that and my actual hands-on time of X years now, its not hard to tell if a new item has the goods or misses too many marks.

I loosely wonder why half of the world of basic gig players don't own the Numa Compact. That's a jaw-dropping beast. Casio has been improving to the point where sound-wise, you could seriously consider a Privia as a tour piano, MAYBE. It partly depends on the build quality and amount of travel it will endure. If Tom hasn't established this one's credentials, I don't know what could. Its a great song, played well and the tone sounds creditable. I like the slim form, too. I could see it as a simple but useful controller.
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/16/19 08:55 AM

Mike Martin posted this at the Pianoworld forum:

"BOTH are two sensor actions. While I don't expect you to take my word for it, these new instruments especially the PX-S series perform better in almost every respect than the tri-sensor action found in previous models. Trust me we had people meticulously comparing them throughout the NAMM show.

The PX-S series action has some additional features not included on the CDP-S. This includes High Resolution MIDI Velocity and Release velocity."
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Tom Brislin plays PX-S3000 - 02/16/19 10:59 AM

Originally Posted By: David Emm
Casio has been improving to the point where sound-wise, you could seriously consider a Privia as a tour piano, MAYBE. It partly depends on the build quality and amount of travel it will endure.
But people already have with the previous two generations. idk
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Tom Brislin plays PX-S3000 - 02/16/19 11:54 AM

Okay, I'm not a touring musician, and the occasional time I've done that sort of thing, it was with supplied backline. But I've been doing local gigs with Casio 88s for at least 13 years. I mean, I'm glad Casio has gotten more respect over the years, but I think people under-rate how good they've been in the past. Casio has a long history of quality stuff, even if they also made the toys and the clearly consumer-oriented stuff. Though their commitment to models with "pro features" has waxed and waned over the years.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/16/19 01:53 PM

"High Resolution MIDI Velocity and Release velocity."

Can anybody explain about this?
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/16/19 02:23 PM

In the original MIDI specification, values such as velocity only ran from 0-255, no matter how hard or soft you hit the keys. Hi res MIDI information uses a much wider value scale, thus allowing you to play and reproduce that performance with much more subtlety and variation.
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Tom Brislin plays PX-S3000 - 02/16/19 03:47 PM

I have toured with various Privia models, and will be doing so again next month. I'm just bummed I won't be able to get my hands on one of these for that tour.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/16/19 04:28 PM

I think basic MIDI velocity range is 1-127
Is this now correct:
"High Resolution MIDI Velocity (CC#88) gives controllers and instruments a velocity range of 0-16,000+, instead of the basic MIDI 0-127. Pianoteq is one of the few software instruments that respond to it" and only a few controllers transmit it.

Attn: Mike Martin
What is the PX-S3000's Midi Velocity range? What is the scan rate? And how many variation in the Grand Piano timbre are available to respond to high definition midi?
Posted By: Tom Williams

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/16/19 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: brooster1
Mike Martin posted this at the Pianoworld forum:
"BOTH are two sensor actions. While I don't expect you to take my word for it, these new instruments especially the PX-S series perform better in almost every respect than the tri-sensor action found in previous models.


It seems to me that as long as the two sensors are fairly late in the key's travel, a good timing (sample) rate should keep things as responsive as a three-sensor arrangement, without sacrificing repeatability.

What I find more surprising is the need for more than 127 velocity gradations. I don't think I would ever be able to tell the difference between a velocity of 93 and a velocity of 92, not even in a recital of Romantic period music (the pinnacle of piano composition IMO).
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/16/19 04:43 PM

The midi velocity resolution is only as important as the sound engineís capability of delivering something we can hear. So, the number of velocity layers in the new Casioís sample set would be important as well as the method of smoothly transitioning between them as well as the dynamic range of the DAC. Iíd be surprised if we could hear/feel 1600+ levels of velocity (resulting in audible volume and timbre changes) on these instruments - but it would be cool to know they are working toward using that data.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/16/19 04:44 PM

Filter changes, how many steps on that scale when applied to each individual velocity step?
The player will "feel" the greater touch response scale, there will be a smoothness to it, a highly sensitive response that one might not be used to.

I can't count all the overtones I hear but I experience them, I notice a difference. Apply a filter range within every velocity step.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/16/19 04:55 PM

What Iím saying is that it is highly likely that Casioís tri-sensor tech is capable of delivering a LOT of data. But can the engine they are using translate all that data into hear-able, feel-able changes in volume and timbre at a 1:1 ratio? Probably not. Also, the velocity curve and how it delivers the volume and timbre changes are more important than the resolution. The right linear smooth so you donít get zipper noise.

Regardless - we agree that the goal is to play and sound like the fine acoustic instruments they aim to digitize. Quite a feat in any age.

As a side note, apparently the PX-5S does send MIDI CC#88 out when using as a controller. http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/topic/7918-px-5s-transmitting-midi-controller-88-to-daw/

If you own Pianoteq Iíd by curious to see how that combo feels.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/17/19 12:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Tom Williams
It seems to me that as long as the two sensors are fairly late in the key's travel, a good timing (sample) rate should keep things as responsive as a three-sensor arrangement, without sacrificing repeatability.

I think the only thing a 3-sensor board can inherently do that a 2-sensor board cannot is let you restrike a note without silencing it first (while not using the sustain pedal), which is not something one often needs to do.

Originally Posted By: Tom Williams
What I find more surprising is the need for more than 127 velocity gradations. I don't think I would ever be able to tell the difference between a velocity of 93 and a velocity of 92, not even in a recital of Romantic period music (the pinnacle of piano composition IMO).

The question would be whether you could tell the difference between 93 and 91, not 92. If you can ever tell the difference between two adjacent values (of the same sample), you don't have enough values.

I think 127 is probably enough for most cases, though. If each value represented a half db difference, that would give you a 63 dB dynamic range (speakers permitting) which I suspect is not exceeded by the dynamic range of an acoustic, and a half dB difference is probably not discernible by most people, even allowing for the fact that it could involve a slight change in timbre as well as volume (i.e. for modeled pianos).

The hard part might be mapping those 127 steps to correspond to the velocities that best approximate those relative values on an an actual piano, keeping in mind that decibels are logarithmic and not linear.

But I think a benefit of having more than 127 velocities might be more in adjusting velocity curves, e.g. people often choose "hard" or "soft to accommodate their own playing, and once you do that, you get more values on one end of the volume scale in exchange for fewer on the other.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
The midi velocity resolution is only as important as the sound engineís capability of delivering something we can hear. So, the number of velocity layers in the new Casioís sample set would be important
I don't think that's a factor. 127 different-volume strikes of a single sample is not necessarily any more or less discernible than 127 different-volume strikes of a multi-velocity-layered sample, except that each layer shift provides for an additional point of discernible difference. (There's also the variable of processing... there have been single-sample pianos that used a velocity-controlled filter to alter the timbre with velocity.)

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Iíd be surprised if we could hear/feel 1600+ levels of velocity (resulting in audible volume and timbre changes) on these instruments
The question is really only one of whether we can hear more than 127. Going from 1-byte (8-bit) to 2-byte (16-bit) resolution means going from 127 to 16000+, there is no way to program MIDI for something in between. So if you determine any benefit to having more than 127, then 16k is what you end up with as the next option. (And before anyone asks, 8-bit has 128 instead of 256 values because MIDI uses 7 of the bits for data, so in terms of MIDI data, the two possibilities are 7-bit and 14-bit.)
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/17/19 03:50 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
(And before anyone asks, 8-bit has 128 instead of 256 values because MIDI uses 7 of the bits for data, so in terms of MIDI data, the two possibilities are 7-bit and 14-bit.)


My inner nerd thanks you for this clarification.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/17/19 04:25 PM

I can't notice the individual differences in 127 shades of gray. But I can notice a difference between a Rembrandt print reproduced with 127 shades of gray vs the same print reproduced using 16,000 shades of gray.

db increases are algorithmic...
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/17/19 04:38 PM

I would happily trade 16,000 velocity steps for one MIDI jack, on any digital piano.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/17/19 04:45 PM

But, part of the magic that is a real piano comes from the physicality of playing it. If there's the least bit of latency, then that will result in a disconnect that will disappoint us, even though we may not even perceive it (the latency, not the disappointment.)
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/17/19 04:52 PM

https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=5897

Quote:
"marzzz wrote:
My personal take is that it adds a degree of randomness that exists in the real world- I don't think there is any human who has so much control that they can specifically utilize it, but that degree of randomness may make a performance that much more realistic; how much? That is the question. Pianoteq is especially the software that can take advantage of it, as opposed to multi-multi-multi sampled pianos.

music_guy wrote:

PianoTeq's model changes many factors between velocity layers, so PianoTeq may perform much better than Sampled VIs with High Resolution MIDI.

- For example, if a simple sampled VI changed just one factor, the "volume", and we assumed our "ears" can discern 1db, then 128 MIDI levels seems like overkill.

- But...PianoTeq is changing many "sound quality" factors beyond "volume". That additional information may allow our "ears" to appreciate many more MIDI levels.

On an acoustic piano, even if our hands can only differentiate between a few dozen velocities, we hear slightly different sound with every keystroke. These minute differences are not "haphazard" or "random" but rather physics at work. I think these small sonic differences are one reason acoustic pianos are so interesting to play.

If PianoTeq is changing more than just "volume" between MIDI levels, I speculate that we can differentiate between more than 128 MIDI levels. And that additional MIDI levels could provide improved playability.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/17/19 04:59 PM

"The 127 levels provided by standard midi were found to be inadequate, for they fail when the loudness has to be shaped sensitively in soft music: proceeding from a note with midi level 5, for instance, allows moving only to the neighbouring levels 6 or 4, a change of 20% or 25% respectively, which does not generally produce sounds sufficiently finely graduated for the desired artistic effect. Fortunately, the midi specifications have recently been extended with a Ďhigh resolution velocity prefixí providing 16,256 levels (numbered from 128 to 16,383), quite enough for the musical purpose."

That is taken from /MPR0074.pdf]"The reconstitution of...Nigel Nettheim.. (That url itself includes the ']' character, so you'd have to cut and paste it.)
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/17/19 05:00 PM

Posted by stubbsonic18-01-2019 00:08
https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=5897

"First, when we talk about velocity response, we need three main qualities: range, resolution and curve.

Though the affect of velocity on the sound is determined by the destination instrument, the velocity range of the controller is still an important part of the response experience. Though the output range is 1-127, I'm referring to the physical velocities that are mapped to those extremes of 1 and 127. I.e., what actual key-strike speed is considered a 1, and what actual key-strike speed is actually considered a 127. The lower extreme is an arbitrary decision by the designer, the upper extreme is limited by the scan rate.

If you think about your own physical interaction with a key, you can imagine your very softest possible note, and your very loudest possible note. If the controller takes your 20 softest values and assigns 1 to all of them, that's a loss of response. If your controller takes your 20 loudest values and assigns 127 to all of them, that's a loss of response.

An assumption that is being made in this thread is that most controllers provide 127 steps of velocity, which is most certainly NOT the case. Most keyboards are limited by slow scan rates (i.e., how frequently the keyboard scans for the two velocity switch contacts and measures the time between them). The slow scan rate causes some actual velocities quantized to a lower resolution, and many velocity values are simply unattainable.

Recently, Novation was touting scan rates of 10KHz for some of their recent keyboards. I don't know if that number solves everything, but it seems like the right approach.

Most keyboards will then sacrifice more of that already compromised resolution to give you a response curve.

I'd be happy if a keyboard let you define your truly fastest/hardest keystrike as 127 (and had some room above that, for very dynamic players), as well as setting your slowest/softest keystrike as a 1 (with room below that, as well). And, if the keyboard let you define a curve without sacrificing having full 127 step velocity. That is not, to my knowledge, even available in any commercial keyboard.

Our ability to hear differences in volume is very keen. We have an extraordinary range and resolution of hearing loudness differences. With typical velocity-to-amplitude applications, we most definitely can HEAR 127 steps of velocity. Create a MIDI track with series of 127 consecutive notes, playing quickly and steadily, incrementing the velocities by 1 per note. You will hear the notes steadily and smoothly crescendoing. If you decreased the resolution of that ramp to say 32 possible values, you would hear the 32 steps as the notes jumped to the next value.

And I've played cheaper keyboards with slow scan rates where I can feel a disconnect in the velocity response.

But if a keyboard gives you a wide range between a very very slow/soft strike, and a very very fast/hard strike, and gives you 127 steps between, even if you assign a curve, then this is sufficient. But that keyboard does not exist. With the possible exception of the aforementioned VAX77. I don't know the High Scan Rate Novation keyboards offer that kind of setting.

A keyboard that gives you 16,384 velocity values has plenty of resolution, but if it doesn't allow you to define a wide range between your slowest and fastest physical strikes, or letting you define the curve in a flexible way, this is not sufficient.

I agree that there is the random factor which shouldn't be undervalued. But also, there is value in just having a little overkill when it comes to the expressive parts of the instrument, especially given that our devices can handle the extra bandwidth it might require when we need it.""
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/17/19 05:02 PM

Posted by Valouz

"dB is a logarithmic scale.
3 dB is twice louder than 1 dB
6 dB is twice louder than 3 dB
9 dB is twice louder than 6 dB
12 dB is twice louder than 9 db
15 dB is twice louder than 12 dB
And so on.
15 dB is already 32 times louder than 1 dB
20 dB is around 100 times louder than 1 dB
30 dB is around 1000 times louder than 1 dB
...
So sorry but no 120 dB does not mean 120 levels of sound...
I don't know exactly what is the maximum acoustic level of a piano but let say that is only (for the exercice) of 90 dB (80 dB it's a baby crying and 122 dB is the maximum of a full orchestra...).
So 90 dB is already 1 000 000 000 times louder than 1 dB.
After said this, that doesn't mean that the ear can distinguish

1 000 000 000 nuances of level between 1 and 90 dB.
It's said that for humans (i.e. feeling not science) it sounds twice louder every 10 dB.
So even with this very lower scale, 90 dB is already 512 diffťrents levels.
It still does not mean that human can distinguish more than 128 different levels...
But no 120 dB does not mean 120 different levels..."
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/17/19 05:28 PM

Forgetting all the tech stuff posted in this topic for moment.

I run PianoTeq in my rig, controlled by my PX-5S in High Res Midi.

My finger to ear connection (subjective) is wonderful, especially after taking the time to setup the velocity curve in PTeq.

My piano VSTís are:
PianoTeq
Steinway D
YC5
K2
U4

Native Intruments
The Grandeur
Aliciaís Keys
The Gentleman

All sound great. Running the same buffer for all, the edge goes to PianoTeq high res as far as feel and nuance.
Again, a subjective thing, but thatís how my brain perceives things when I play.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/17/19 06:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
"The 127 levels provided by standard midi were found to be inadequate, for they fail when the loudness has to be shaped sensitively in soft music: proceeding from a note with midi level 5, for instance, allows moving only to the neighbouring levels 6 or 4, a change of 20% or 25% respectively, which does not generally produce sounds sufficiently finely graduated

No... MIDI allows for 127 levels of velocity, but they can be mapped any way a programmer wants. The fact that 5 is 25% greater than 4 is irrelevant. Velocity is determined by the time it takes between triggering sensor A and sensor B. A programer can take that figure and assign it however he wants, He does not have to make MIDI velocity 5 equal to 25% more actual velocity than MIDI velocity 4, he can adjust that curve however he wants in order to get the result he wants. If he wants MIDI velocity 5 to represent only 2% more actual velocity than MIDI velocity 4, he can do that.

As an aside, his basic math is wrong. While 6 is 20% more than 5, 4 is not 25% less than 5. (4 is 20% less than 5; 3.75 is 25% less than 5.)

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Posted by Valouz

"sorry but no 120 dB does not mean 120 levels of sound...

There are an infinite number of levels of sound, you can always create smaller and smaller fractions. But even though decibels are logarithmic, humans generally still can't distinguish incremental sound differences of less than 1 dB. One way to look at it is that our ability to hear something as different is relative rather than absolute. So while, in a sense, the logarithmic curve implies a bigger difference between 90 dB and 91 dB then there is between 50 dB and 51 dB, in practice, as far as our hearing is concerned, there isn't, each essentially represents about the minimum difference we can reliably hear. So yes, for practical purposes, regardless of the logarithmic scale of it, it's reasonable to start from an assumption that humans would typically be able to discern no more than 120 levels of loudness between 0 dB and 120 dB. (And in fact, it will be less, because we are not as good at picking up very small differences at any extremes... i.e. we'd be better at noticing a 1 dB change in a 60 db 1 kHz tone than we would be at noticing a 1 dB change in something that was very low pitched, or very high pitched, or very quiet, or very loud.)

ETA: I'm not making any argument here either way about the value of having more than 127 levels... I'm just saying that the arguments about velocity 6 being 20% more than velocity 5 or there being a billion possible volumes between 1 dB and 90 dB are both really bad arguments, and basically just plain wrong.
Posted By: mcpepe

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/18/19 08:28 AM

Talking about the PX-5s sucessor. Are these PX-5s models usually more featured, with more controls, faders, knobs? more sounds?

I know that nobody really knows till Casio release the PX5-S sucessor..., but I just wanted to know what to expect from this future model.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/18/19 11:29 AM

Originally Posted By: mcpepe
Talking about the PX-5s sucessor. Are these PX-5s models usually more featured, with more controls, faders, knobs? more sounds?

There's not really a "usually" since there's only been one. ;-) Okay, the PX-5S was in effect the second in the line, as a successor to the PX-3S, but it was still very different. For example, the 3 didn't have sliders/knobs and.only supported a single split point instead of three (or more for internal sounds, if you use hexlayers). But the basic distinction has been that the series has MIDI controller features but no speakers, whereas all the other Privias have speakers but lack MIDI controller features. (I keep wishing for models that have both!) There is a good comparison of PX-5S to the top-of-line speakered model, PX560, at https://casiomusicgear.wordpress.com/2016/01/11/the-definitive-px-5s-vs-px-560-comparison/ but I would not assume that a future PX5S replacement would necessarily have every PX5S differentiating feature, or that it would lack every PX560 differentiating feature.
Posted By: mcpepe

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/18/19 01:24 PM

Thanks! That's good info. I am now really waiting for the PX5S successor. MIDI is important for me, and not so much the speakers.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/19/19 01:57 PM

Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/19/19 07:24 PM



Rudi reviews both the PX-S1000 and the PX-S3000!

Super slim, light-weight, and being able to run off only 6 x AA batteries make the new Casio PXS range of digital pianos the perfect answer for the gigging musician. But if you prefer to stay home, the high-quality sound and feel mean the PXS-1000 & PXS-3000 are just as comfortable in the lounge room as on the stage!

What's the keybed action like? PH4, RH3, or somewhere inbetween? Improvement over the other Casio models
Rudi: You sort of hit it on the head, somewhere between Roland PHA4 and Korg RH3 :-) it feels really good and a definite improvement over previous (and other) Casio models.&#65279;
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/19/19 07:51 PM



Casio PX-S1000 - Franz Liszt - Liebestraum, S. 541 No. 3 (excerpt) - Alicia Witt - 02-17-2019 - City Vineyard NYC
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/19/19 11:17 PM

Originally Posted By: brooster1


Rudi reviews both the PX-S1000 and the PX-S3000. . .

That was a good demo. Iím tempted.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/20/19 12:31 AM

Impressed by $, size, weight, seemingly very pianistically playable. Sampling and timbre/patch programming improving.
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/20/19 02:28 AM

Still wishing that Casio label wasnít so prominent.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/20/19 09:29 AM

#2 on the top 10 uses for gaff tape. wink
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/20/19 09:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
Still wishing that Casio label wasnít so prominent.

LOL, me too. Why do they do that? Casio isnít the only guilty one. Kurz, Kawai. . . just as bad. Might as well make them light up and blink.
I will get the optional stand and shove it against the wall, thatíll show Ďem.
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/20/19 01:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons

LOL, me too. Why do they do that? Casio isnít the only guilty one. Kurz, Kawai. . . just as bad. Might as well make them light up and blink.
I will get the optional stand and shove it against the wall, thatíll show Ďem.


Don't forget Korg, whose giant logo on the Grandstage literally does light up and blink, in various colors. (Thankfully that can be disabled.)
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/20/19 11:53 PM

Similar on my new Vox Continental, luckily small and quaint.
Posted By: hailstorm

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 02:54 AM

Here are the pricing for Canada. They are taking pre-order

https://musiquedepot.ca/casio-px-s1000-privia-digital-piano.html
PX-S1000 = $799
https://musiquedepot.ca/casio-px-s3000-privia-digital-piano.html
PX-S3000 = $999
Posted By: richforman

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 12:01 PM

But with other manufacturers I would never mind the logo at all! I know it's awful, but with Casio I would still be wary about even one person thinking about or mentioning to me the brand's long time (probably no longer valid) association with cheap, cheesy keyboards and sounds.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 12:41 PM

I would imagine these sorts of things only matter to keyboard players in the audience who are a little on her older side and thatís a pretty small % of an audience depending on what sort of venues and styles you play. Regardless, a shiny black look is very nice coming from the white and blue PX-5S and Electric Blue PX-560. Especially for solo piano and combo gigs.
Posted By: Legatoboy

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 12:43 PM

Kind of like using plastic knives and forks vibe with that name, yes! I don't care really when I gig my PX5s..but I understand why people might... I went through it a bit when I 1st started gigging it... it passed quickly, I really enjoy that action. . .

Originally Posted By: richforman
But with other manufacturers I would never mind the logo at all! I know it's awful, but with Casio I would still be wary about even one person thinking about or mentioning to me the brand's long time (probably no longer valid) association with cheap, cheesy keyboards and sounds.
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 08:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
Still wishing that Casio label wasnít so prominent.


Perhaps they should have made it like PX130 that just said Privia.
I am tempted to get the 1000 for $480 over the 3000 for $640 (20% email coupon from national retailer).

Does anyone think the 3000 is worth the extra difference. I did read about things such as different amp simulators etc,, but are there more acoustic and EP sounds.

I'm not sure I would use all of the extras and come to think of it might not want pitch bend wheels on a DP.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 10:02 PM

S3000 has pitch bend, 782 additional presets, 200 accompaniment rhythms vs 0, and I think alternative velocity curves.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 10:08 PM

Also, I think both audio and midi over USB, if Iím remembering correctly. That might not be of interest to you.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 10:23 PM

AFAIK, no Casio does audio over USB. MIDI only.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 10:24 PM

My mistake. I thought I read that in another post.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 10:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
Still wishing that Casio label wasnít so prominent.

Actually, the CASIO logo is fine in my view. Not oversized - weíve been looking at it for years, after all. Itís the humongous ĎPriviaí in that artsy font more suited to a decor magazine logo that annoys me.
Yeah I know, I need to relax.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 11:20 PM

Originally Posted By: brooster1
What's the keybed action like? PH4, RH3, or somewhere inbetween? Improvement over the other Casio models
Rudi: You sort of hit it on the head, somewhere between Roland PHA4 and Korg RH3 :-) ;

I don't know about that... I played a CDP-S100 very briefly, and the action it reminded me most of was the previous main Casio action (PX560, PX5S, etc.). I'd say the new action feels more like their last one than it does a PHA4 or RH3. It may play differently with their new sensor system or whatever, but strictly physically, the feel seems similar to me (though I was not actually playing them side by side).
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By: richforman
But with other manufacturers I would never mind the logo at all! I know it's awful, but with Casio I would still be wary about even one person thinking about or mentioning to me the brand's long time (probably no longer valid) association with cheap, cheesy keyboards and sounds.

Or even worse, cheap calculators.
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/22/19 11:52 PM

Originally Posted By: LarsHarner
Originally Posted By: Fleer
Still wishing that Casio label wasnít so prominent.


Perhaps they should have made it like PX130 that just said Privia.
I am tempted to get the 1000 for $480 over the 3000 for $640 (20% email coupon from national retailer).

Does anyone think the 3000 is worth the extra difference. I did read about things such as different amp simulators etc,, but are there more acoustic and EP sounds.

I'm not sure I would use all of the extras and come to think of it might not want pitch bend wheels on a DP.

Sweet pricing. Would get a $480 PX-S1000 in a heartbeat.
(Also wishing it would just say Privia ...)
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/23/19 01:56 PM

I doubt a national retailer is emailing a 20% coupon that would actually apply. Maybe in a few years when new models are released. Although Adam at Kraft is flexible.
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/23/19 08:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I doubt a national retailer is emailing a 20% coupon that would actually apply. Maybe in a few years when new models are released. Although Adam at Kraft is flexible.


-Correct- although the coupons never work online I simply call with the code and the retailers I use do honor it over the phone- worked for my ES8/Krome/P125 etc..
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/24/19 07:39 PM

Did anyone play both the new Casios and Yamahas at NAMM that could offer some comparisons?

Other than that I will just have to wait till the Casios come out. I really can't tell anything until I get hands on time.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/24/19 08:58 PM

see page 2 of this thread , Dave played the Yammy and the Casio
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/24/19 09:28 PM

Originally Posted By: LX88
Did anyone play both the new Casios and Yamahas at NAMM that could offer some comparisons?
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
see page 2 of this thread , Dave played the Yammy and the Casio

Quick recap: He liked the Casio piano sound better than the Yamaha. He liked the Casio action better than the Yamaha 73 (no comment on the 88). He didn't compare the non-piano sounds.

Some major distinctions:

Casio:
* small size, lightweight 88
* battery power
* auto accompaniment
* speakers
* budget priced

Yamaha:
* hands-on interface
* 4-zone MIDI controller capabilities
* pro connectivity... 5-pin DIN MIDI jacks, internal power supply, balanced outs
* available in a lightweight 73
* will be updated with additional sounds
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/24/19 09:53 PM

And which new Yamaha is this?
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/24/19 10:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
And which new Yamaha is this?

CP73/CP88
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/24/19 10:16 PM

Super impressed with the Casio with regard to piano (all I played) and yes I liked it better then the CP88 and the Nord Piano 4's action.

But definitely play these at a store. I have a feeling the CP88 will fare much better then what I heard there.

NAMM , especially the Marriott Ballroom/Yamaha, was over the top noisy, the worst I've ever experienced. Yamaha's phones were particularly bad this year too.

As were the Nord phones. But that's nothing new. It was so loud in the Nord space - I can't even call it a "booth" it was so small- I actually could've sworn the Nord Royal Grand XL sample was a rhodes... crazy But the Nord action felt slow and clunky after immediately coming off the Casio.
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/25/19 12:02 AM



Manuals for Casio PX-S1000
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/25/19 12:11 AM

Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/25/19 02:24 PM


Monster duo! I listened at .75 speed.

Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/25/19 02:26 PM



Some strings... in German. No hot playing.

Posted By: mcpepe

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 09:33 AM

I have just tried a new Casio CDP-S350 in a music store and I was very happy with it.
I liked very much the sounds and the touch for piano playing. Also the feeling of the keys was very good. I was only playing 15 mins with it. Acoustic and electric pianos (my main focus) worked very well, but I also liked the other sounds (synths, guitars,organs...). I also thought the 8W speakers were enough for small quiet restaurants.
In the specifications the CDP-S350 is very similar to the PX-S3000. They both have 700 sounds, 2 USB ports, built-in rythms, 8w speakers, same keyboard?

Anyone has more info comparing this 2 boards (sounds, effects, keyboard,...). I just want to know what can I expect from the more expensive PX-S3000.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 10:49 AM

PX-S3000 has the more advanced "AiR" piano engine, more polyphony, assignable knobs, "88 key digital scaled simulation" which alters the response of the keys, touch sensor display. Maybe Mike Martin will chime in with other differences...?
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 01:13 PM

The differences are significant, here is a quick list because I'm traveling.

- The PX-S3000 includes a patent-pending "smart scaling" feature that simulates the individual hammer and key behavior of each of the 88 keys individually.
- The PX-S3000 has different piano samples
- The new AiR engine in the PX-S3000 has damper resonance, string resonance, damper noise, key-on/off mechanical noises and more. The CDP-S350 doesn't have any of this technology.
- Effects system: The effects system in the PX-S3000 is completely different and has fully editable insert effects
- Realtime controls: Over the CDP-S350 the PX-S3000 adds two knobs and an assignable expression pedal input

The PX-S3000 also adds:
- 1/4" left right outputs
- Two headphone outputs
- USB Audio Recording and Playback
- High Resolution MIDI Velocity
- Bluetooth audio
- Significantly better speaker system

There is more but that is the list off the top of my head.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 01:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin

- Significantly better speaker system

I hadn't noticed that one, I thought they were the same, but yup, they're different... spec sheets says 13 cm x 7 cm for the CDP, 16 xm x 8 cm for the PX. (All are oval, 8 w/ch.) I know the PX150/160 were single full-range speakers vs. 2-way speakers in the higher models, is there any similar distinction here?
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 01:27 PM

The speakers in the new Privia PX-S models are the best we've ever had in our pianos. It was a big concern given the overall smaller size of the products. Needless to say our team in Tokyo delivered - the speakers in the PX-S are great.
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 01:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin

- The PX-S3000 has different piano samples

Hi Mike do the core pianos of the PX-1000 ("Grand Piano Concert," "Bright," "Mellow," "Rock" and "Jazz") use different samples in the PX-S3000? Or are the samples the same for them, and there's more pianos?

For those of us who may want to just grab "a piano" for practice or casual jamming - is there a real difference in the pianos themselves for that kind of a situation?

Don't know if that makes much sense but I hope you can follow my train of thought laugh

Edit: I just noticed you were actually comparing the 3000 to the 350 but you can feel free to answer anyway smile
Posted By: mcpepe

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 03:19 PM

Thanks Mike Martin for the info.
I liked the Casio CPD-S350 a lot, so if the PX-S3000 has these improvements it should be a lot greater.
I am decided to purchase it, once it's available.
Posted By: Sam CA

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 03:29 PM

On page one we have this:

Privia PX-S1000 ($600) AiR Sound Chip 24.5 lbs, 2 speakers.
Privia PX-S3000 ($800) AiR Sound Chip, 24.5 lbs, 2 speakers.

But now I see $900 for S1000 and $1200 for S3000.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 04:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Sam CA
On page one we have this:

Privia PX-S1000 ($600) AiR Sound Chip 24.5 lbs, 2 speakers.
Privia PX-S3000 ($800) AiR Sound Chip, 24.5 lbs, 2 speakers.

But now I see $900 for S1000 and $1200 for S3000.

Where? You could be seeing the difference between list price and street price.
Posted By: Sam CA

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 04:09 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott

Where? You could be seeing the difference between list price and street price.


Look at the title...above your post.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200)

I just went back many pages and found a post that listed the price in Canada. Maybe that's where it came from then.
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 05:18 PM

Canadians and their funny money. freak rolleyes
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 05:20 PM

I could see this causing some confusion, because the discussion turned to comparing the CDP-S350 and the PX-S3000, so just to help out, the piano is the same in both PX-S models (1000 and 3000). And the actions are the same, the speakers, the dual headphones and audio outputs, plus Bluetooth audio.

Regards,

Jerry



Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
The differences are significant, here is a quick list because I'm traveling.

- The PX-S3000 includes a patent-pending "smart scaling" feature that simulates the individual hammer and key behavior of each of the 88 keys individually.
- The PX-S3000 has different piano samples
- The new AiR engine in the PX-S3000 has damper resonance, string resonance, damper noise, key-on/off mechanical noises and more. The CDP-S350 doesn't have any of this technology.
- Effects system: The effects system in the PX-S3000 is completely different and has fully editable insert effects
- Realtime controls: Over the CDP-S350 the PX-S3000 adds two knobs and an assignable expression pedal input

The PX-S3000 also adds:
- 1/4" left right outputs
- Two headphone outputs
- USB Audio Recording and Playback
- High Resolution MIDI Velocity
- Bluetooth audio
- Significantly better speaker system

There is more but that is the list off the top of my head.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 05:24 PM

Hi Bill:

As I just wrote, the samples are the same... just some more presets.

From my viewpoint, once you move into jamming and some other playing situations, the 3000 wins because there's more variety of acoustic and electric piano presets... not to mention clav and other bread-and butter sounds. Plus you can make changes to the effects...

That's just the beginning, but it has convinced me that the 3000 is the one I want.

I liked playing the new action even better than the PX5S which I've been gigging with since it came out. The slightly shorter scale didn't bother me in the amount of time I played/demoed the new models at the show. And I found the action just a bit more responsive, due to the less bounce/slop in the key upon release/return.

Color me impressed!

Regards,

Jerry



Originally Posted By: Bill H.
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin

- The PX-S3000 has different piano samples

Hi Mike do the core pianos of the PX-1000 ("Grand Piano Concert," "Bright," "Mellow," "Rock" and "Jazz") use different samples in the PX-S3000? Or are the samples the same for them, and there's more pianos?

For those of us who may want to just grab "a piano" for practice or casual jamming - is there a real difference in the pianos themselves for that kind of a situation?

Don't know if that makes much sense but I hope you can follow my train of thought laugh

Edit: I just noticed you were actually comparing the 3000 to the 350 but you can feel free to answer anyway smile
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/26/19 06:10 PM

Thank you Jerry! smile
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/27/19 01:14 AM

Mike, are both made in Japan or China?
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/27/19 06:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Bill H.
Thank you Jerry! smile


Happy to help.

Jerry
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/27/19 06:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
Mike, are both made in Japan or China?


Manufactured in China.
Posted By: mcpepe

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/27/19 08:04 PM

Talking about the PX-S3000. Will we have access to sound design parameters?
I have read that the knobs will have pairs of parameters like Cutoff and Resonance, or Low and High for eqs. But will we have access to the envelopes, lfos, modulation matrix? FX parameters like feedback, wet/dry, time rate for delays?
Maybe not directly editing on the board but using an app?
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/27/19 09:36 PM

My hope is that they will finally get the S3000 manual together and online, and we can find our own answers to some of these questions instead of pestering Mike.
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/27/19 10:32 PM

Mikeís presence and replies here are part of the reasons why I might get my first Casio.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/27/19 11:14 PM

Originally Posted By: mcpepe
Talking about the PX-S3000. Will we have access to sound design parameters?
I have read that the knobs will have pairs of parameters like Cutoff and Resonance, or Low and High for eqs. But will we have access to the envelopes, lfos, modulation matrix? FX parameters like feedback, wet/dry, time rate for delays?
Maybe not directly editing on the board but using an app?


Attack / Release can be assigned to knobs.
Insert Effects are fully editable.

I'm not 100% certain how much will be on the app but most parameters are available from the front panel.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 02/28/19 07:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
Mikeís presence and replies here are part of the reasons why I might get my first Casio.

This will very likely be my third, over the years. Iím resisting the impulse to preorder, but will know five minutes after I lay my hands on one.
Unlike so many keyboards that set off my GAS, Iím hopeful that this one will actually end up on the floor of one of my local big music stores.
Posted By: Ankit_p

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/01/19 09:25 AM

I was hoping to get myself a digital piano and PX-S series definitely ticks all the checkboxes, plus the country where i am in, Roland FP-30 is mighty over priced.

My question is for Mike. I wonder if you'd have any idea about these launching in India? I see that a lot of European and US stores have it listed for pre-order but not the Asian websites. So i am guessing it's rolling out step by step rather than a world wide release at once? I couldn't find any info from casio india either since nobody picks the calls or responds to any email. Sigh.. eagerly waiting on this one though.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/01/19 12:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Ankit_p

My question is for Mike. I wonder if you'd have any idea about these launching in India? I see that a lot of European and US stores have it listed for pre-order but not the Asian websites. So i am guessing it's rolling out step by step rather than a world wide release at once?


I don't know. In some areas it is slightly delayed because of Bluetooth regulations. I know in Mexico the PX-S series won't be available until late June or so.
Posted By: Ankit_p

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/01/19 01:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin


I don't know. In some areas it is slightly delayed because of Bluetooth regulations. I know in Mexico the PX-S series won't be available until late June or so.


Thank you for the response. I guess i will just wait it out. And i hope a PX-870 update with new key action is planned in future. That would be a killer digital upright for homes.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/05/19 04:03 PM

Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/05/19 08:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Iím hopeful that this one will actually end up on the floor of one of my local big music stores.


Me too, Bobby. Loos like sometime in May.
Posted By: Bootsy

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/11/19 02:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin

PX-5S replacement. Remember the history. PX-5S was released a year after the PX-150 and PX-350.



I've been very patient since reading this a couple of months ago. Any hints or new information about a PX-5s Replacement?
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/11/19 07:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Bootsy
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin

PX-5S replacement. Remember the history. PX-5S was released a year after the PX-150 and PX-350.



I've been very patient since reading this a couple of months ago. Any hints or new information about a PX-5s Replacement?
Heh - that post was made less than two months ago, on January 25th. I don't think you're being patient enough. wink
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/11/19 10:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
Originally Posted By: Bootsy
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin

PX-5S replacement. Remember the history. PX-5S was released a year after the PX-150 and PX-350.



I've been very patient since reading this a couple of months ago. Any hints or new information about a PX-5s Replacement?
Heh - that post was made less than two months ago, on January 25th. I don't think you're being patient enough. wink


Yup. PX-S3000 announced in January, shipping in... April? So we have a ways to go before we get to a year from that... and even that is uncertain...
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/11/19 10:51 PM

When are these due to be released?

I was at GC in the Portland area and played the Roland FP 30.

The piano sample sounded pretty good through phones, but I did not care for the action. It seemed a bit loose for my taste.

Of everything in the 500 to 700 dollar range I thought that the FP30 had the best sound.

Very curious to see what Casio has come up with sound wise.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/12/19 12:27 AM

Mid to late April is what I was told by Kraft.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/12/19 03:34 PM

I hear a lot of Dyno Rhodes and DX7 samples in the S3000 demo link below... does the S3000 have a Herbie Rhodes like this:
https://soundcloud.com/scarbee/hello-butterfly

So far the only hint I've gotten that a herbie Rhodes exists in the S3000 was the the guy from EWF at NAMM. Casio sure is keeping it under wraps if there is a Herbie Rhodes in the S3000. I know the S1000 doesn't have one, it has a single Dyno type model.
My PX-360 has a Herbie Rhodes, so I am expecting the S3000 does too.
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/12/19 11:17 PM

PX-S3000 sound samples

Number on the list: 22-26 + 37 acoustic pianos
Layer sounds 2+4 acoustic piano and strings
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/13/19 07:11 AM



Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/13/19 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: brooster1
PX-S3000 sound samples

Number on the list: 22-26 + 37 acoustic pianos
Layer sounds 2+4 acoustic piano and strings


Possibly my imagination, but these piano patches sounded better - wider, more open and alive - in the various NAMM recordings than they do here. Again, could be an illusion.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/13/19 09:17 PM

Originally Posted By: brooster1
...videos...


I'm confused. What do these have to do with the Casio?
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/14/19 12:08 AM

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
Originally Posted By: brooster1
...videos...


I'm confused. What do these have to do with the Casio?


The Mike Verta videos were accompanied with this dialog which is not my dialog.The :

"This a short story of discovery - but the last video seems to answer the question of sound engine chipset... hopefully, accurately.

I've been creating music for years and have only dabbled in orchestration. About three months ago I decided to put out a serious orchestral project. I realized that my Axiom 61 wasn't going to cut it, for this project. I wanted a piano feel and sound. I went to Guitar Center to try out the feel for a couple of keyboards, planning to use my VSTi instruments.

I tried every keyboard there, and one in particular really blew me away - The Casio CDP S100 (and the S350). [I admit, being primarily a guitarist and vocalist, I didn't even know Casio was still around, let alone making professional level keyboards. Consider me impressed!] The feel of the keyboard felt just like a real piano. They had more expensive Yamaha's and Rolands, etc., but none felt this good. The sound of the speakers impressed me, too, and I loved their dual direction design. Little did I know that this had only recently been released. After I returned home I obsessed over reviews and videos online and discovered the Privia PX S1000 and S3000.

Originally, I didn't think I wanted the CDP-S350 over the CDP-S100 (nor the Privia PX-S3000 over the PX-S1000). I don't have any need for backing rhythms, nice as they are, nor did I think I could use the multiple instruments because they are usually added as an after-thought, and sound as such. I was pretty sure the CDP-S100 and my VSTi(s) was all I needed.

Then I discovered a great video by PianoManChuck. The AiR sound engine seems to be top-notch in reproducing a real sounding piano. But AiR doesn't do near as well with string and wind instruments as the AIX does great with expressive string and wind instruments.

https://youtu.be/s5ht5ZWAyZI

Then I read, over at YamahaMusicians that... 'Mike Martin at Casio USA, the CDP-S100 does indeed use AHL ii, but the CDP-S350 uses "a variant of AiX."' All so confusing! But now I needed a Privia, for sure. I need AiR!!

When I discovered this next video, it made everything worse... and better!

.. I realized that I required a MOD wheel. Such a wonderful technique to truly put an original quality to every note played on Strings and Winds. So, all of a sudden I realized that the PX-S1000 wasn't going to work. Unless I could get the PX_S1000 and supplement it with a simple, usb 2-wheel expression 'box'? (Like the size of a guitar pedal.) Nope! (Why are there no add-on expression wheels being made anywhere? I am still dumbfounded about this fact.)

So, that led me to realize I needed to get the Privia PX-S3000. Around the same time, I discovered the feature of sympathetic resonance in the Privia PX-3000, and once heard, I realized I wouldn't want to do without it. I was still disappointed that the Strings and Winds would be lacking, but I have Mike Verta's technique to help out there. smile Even if there are VSTi(s) are out there that offer sympathetic resonance, I still needed the MOD wheel/knob. [Are there VSTi(s) that have this?]

While reading on here, it seemed the type of sound engine chipset within the new Privias seemed to be ambiguous. Was it AiR or AiR 2 or What? Then another PianoManChuck video comes to my attention and delivers a great, game-changing, piece of knowledge (video below). And man do I hope he is right!

https://youtu.be/zG75hpIDoHY

I really hope this is true. A double chipset with AiR for piano and AIX for Strings and Winds? Sympathetic Resonance? Privia PX-S3000? Yes, please and thank you."

Posted By: guitpic1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/14/19 05:44 AM

I have a Casio PX 560...nice pianos/strings...not the best on acoustic Instruments. Not a bad piano touch but I'm sure no expert there.

There is not much for info on the PX S3000. There are demos out there but few demonstrate anything but acoustic and electric pianos.

Pianoman Chuck is a good resource. I hope he does a video on these keyboards in the near future.
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/14/19 04:43 PM

Well, had a chance to play the CDP100-S100, and have to admit - the laws of physics still apply. With all those talks about Casio defeating them, you can still feel the short key pivot (especially on the black keys) which makes it difficult to play some chords. The piano sound has short decay time, and btw there is some approximation of Rhodes (not Dyno as someone suggested) sounds, as well as Wurlie.

It still feels like an upgrade compared to the previous Privia PX action - quieter, keys don't wobble, and black keys don't stick up too high above the white keys. So I can probably see myself buying the cheapest ($550 CAD) CDP-S100 model as a light and portable keyboard, but wouldn't spend $$ for the higher end models. There are much better options if you have $$ to spend, and for entry level piano I still prefer Yamaha's GHS.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/14/19 05:12 PM

As mentioned previously the CDP-S series action is not identical to the new Privia.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/14/19 05:18 PM

Would be great if Casio did an animation or video of the new actionís behavior like they did with the Celviano Bechstein action. Or how Kawai lets us see the design.

Might have to wait for someone to tear on down.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/14/19 05:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
As mentioned previously the CDP-S series action is not identical to the new Privia.

My (perhaps mistaken) impression was that the actions were physically the same, but played differently because of additional digital processing in the Privia. Though if it plays differently, then for all intents and purposes, I guess you could say that, functionally, it's a different action, even if the mechanism were physically the same. But anyway, that is what it sounds like based on the description of the Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard at https://www.casio-intl.com/asia/en/emi/products/pxs1000/

Quote:
88-Key Digital Scaling realizes a grand piano-like touch
The touch of a grand piano varies with the differences in size and weight of the hammers over each of the 88 keys. The new Privia models deliver the feeling of playing a grand piano through a meticulous key-by-key digital simulation of these subtle differences in touch.

and
Quote:
Key Off Response allows fast note repetition
The note off timing is digitally controlled based on the movement of the keys during release. When hitting the same tone repeatedly, the next note can be produced before the key returns to its topmost position.

The phrases "digital simulation" and "digitally controlled" sound to me like software enhancements, which make this version "smart" and provide a better playing experience than the "non-smart" Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard &#8545; of the new CDPs that presumably lack this additional digital processing

But is it confirmed that there are physical differences as well? Admittedly, that's a somewhat academic question, if it feels different regardless. But here's the question this is leading me to: If the difference is entirely (or even mostly) in the software, do these benefits also translate to using the board as a MIDI controller for piano VSTs? Or are these benefits tied to the programming of the internal piano sounds? (Or maybe this is the kind of thing we won't know for sure until they're out in the wild and people try it...)
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/14/19 08:26 PM

Well, if you are following Nordís lead, itís same action and a software update. wink
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/14/19 11:39 PM

Sound Samples PX-S3000

Counting from the tp of the list:
Number on the list: 23-28 + 38 acoustic pianos
Layer sounds 2+4 acoustic piano and strings

The last time I went back to the page the acoustic pianos were in the above positions.
Mike Martin said that all the acoustic pianos on this page came for ONE piano sound.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/15/19 02:05 AM

I like the Rhodes at 2:44, the chords blend nicely and the arpeggios and runs with pedal stay clean. Is it the Chorus or the Tremolo that's On? I guess it's the same EP that the EWF player was using at NAMM.

Posted By: SliceOfPierce

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/15/19 03:26 PM

Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Iím caught between the S1000 and the D1
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/15/19 04:39 PM

Hardly anyone has played one yet.
Have to wait for shipments to show up at dealers.
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/15/19 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: SliceOfPierce
Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Iím caught between the S1000 and the D1


Korg's RH3 is much more consistent from back to front - because of longer key pivot. That's why Korg D1 is 10 lbs heavier than the Casio. I consider RH3 middle tier action, similar to Yamaha's GH. Casio is closer to Yamahas' entry level GHS.

So if feel is more important - Korg D1, if weight is more important - Casio. D1 has a midi jack btw, which is missing on Cassios. (if that's important).

EDIT: I'm assuming that Casio CDP and Privia's actions are mechanically the same, because I've only played the CDP model.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/15/19 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I like the Rhodes at 2:44, the chords blend nicely and the arpeggios and runs with pedal stay clean. Is it the Chorus or the Tremolo that's On? I guess it's the same EP that the EWF player was using at NAMM.



That is the stock EP preset on the PX-S1000. No, not exactly the same as what Larry Dunn was using on the PX-S3000 at NAMM.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/15/19 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: gg22



EDIT: I'm assuming that Casio CDP and Privia's actions are mechanically the same, because I've only played the CDP model.


They are different, as Mike said above

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
As mentioned previously the CDP-S series action is not identical to the new Privia.


Also, I've been gigging with a PX-5S since they came out and I have no issues digging into the black keys, etc... I find it to be a much better action than the Yamaha GHS.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/15/19 06:23 PM

Same EP samples but without Chorus?
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/15/19 06:48 PM

Originally Posted By: SliceOfPierce
Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Iím caught between the S1000 and the D1


I've never played a D1 but generally I dislike the RH3 action. I owned two SV-1 s and hated them. The Grandstage is a little better but not by much. Not at all a fan of the Korg action.

On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88. I also prefer it to the Nord Piano 4 fwiw.
Posted By: jimkost2002

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/15/19 07:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Originally Posted By: SliceOfPierce
Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Iím caught between the S1000 and the D1


I've never played a D1 but generally I dislike the RH3 action. I owned two SV-1 s and hated them. The Grandstage is a little better but not by much. Not at all a fan of the Korg action.

On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88. I also prefer it to the Nord Piano 4 fwiw.


Dave, I HATED the RH3 on the SV1 and Grandstage. Beyond Awful.
But the new Kronos plays like butter.
I couldnt believe it, but I think they just save thier best action for the Kronos.
Posted By: miden

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/15/19 09:45 PM

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
..........Also, I've been gigging with a PX-5S since they came out and I have no issues digging into the black keys, etc... I find it to be a much better action than the Yamaha GHS.


Nice to know it's standing the test of time. I am thinking of re-introducing one into my setup (to go with laptop), so yeah, good to find good feedback on the PX-5
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/15/19 11:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris

On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88.


This is great news. Although I am keeping my CP4, I will be purchasing a S3000 as soon as they become available locally. Looking forward to the built in speakers. thu
Posted By: bennyray

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Originally Posted By: SliceOfPierce
Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Iím caught between the S1000 and the D1


I've never played a D1 but generally I dislike the RH3 action. I owned two SV-1 s and hated them. The Grandstage is a little better but not by much. Not at all a fan of the Korg action.

On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88. I also prefer it to the Nord Piano 4 fwiw.


Dave, I HATED the RH3 on the SV1 and Grandstage. Beyond Awful.
But the new Kronos plays like butter.
I couldnt believe it, but I think they just save thier best action for the Kronos.



Jim,

Did you buy the Kronos SE or the K2? I had someone tell me they were different keybeds but looked at the specs. and they appear to be the same keybed. Asking don't know 4 sure?
Posted By: jimkost2002

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 08:30 AM

Originally Posted By: bennyray
Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
[quote=SliceOfPierce]Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Iím caught between the S1000 and the D1


I've never played a D1 but generally I dislike the RH3 action. I owned two SV-1 s and hated them. The Grandstage is a little better but not by much. Not at all a fan of the Korg action.

On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88. I also prefer it to the Nord Piano 4 fwiw.


Dave, I HATED the RH3 on the SV1 and Grandstage. Beyond Awful.
But the new Kronos plays like butter.
I couldnt believe it, but I think they just save thier best action for the Kronos.



Jim,

Did you buy the Kronos SE or the K2? I had someone tell me they were different keybeds but looked at the specs. and they appear to be the same keybed. Asking don't know 4 sure? [/quote]

Benny,

I got the K2. The SE is adifferent action entirely (Korg calls it light weighted). I was all set to get an SE, but I walked into a local store on a whim and they had a K2 88 and I sat down behind it for a hour + and didínt get up !
It felt entirely different than ANY of the earlier generations of RH3. So much more responsive and smooth. So I went home and had Sweetwater overnight one to me.
FWIW, instead of an ďRH3Ē sticker on the top key, there was a ďmade in japanĒ sticker in red cursive, so it may be an upgraded or tweaked version?
I do know its COMPLETELY different than the SV1 or Grandstage.
As a matter of fact, the store had an SV1 and Grandstage running thru the same monitors as the K2.
Playing them did nothing to change my earlier AWFUL experiences with both boards.
So thatís my experience.
But, to reiterate, the SE s an entirly different action than the other models!
Posted By: jimkost2002

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 10:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Originally Posted By: SliceOfPierce
Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Iím caught between the S1000 and the D1


I've never played a D1 but generally I dislike the RH3 action. I owned two SV-1 s and hated them. The Grandstage is a little better but not by much. Not at all a fan of the Korg action.

On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88. I also prefer it to the Nord Piano 4 fwiw.


Coming from you, Dave, that is quite an endorsement!
Canít wait to try one!
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 04:36 PM

I believe youíre confusing the SE with the LS. The LS has the lightweight action, the SE should be exactly the same as the 2.

Jerry

Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
Originally Posted By: bennyray
Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
[quote=Dave Ferris][quote=SliceOfPierce]Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Iím caught between the S1000 and the D1


I've never played a D1 but generally I dislike the RH3 action. I owned two SV-1 s and hated them. The Grandstage is a little better but not by much. Not at all a fan of the Korg action.

On first play, I felt the new Casio as being right there with some of the best Yamahas- CP4 and CP88. I also prefer it to the Nord Piano 4 fwiw.


Dave, I HATED the RH3 on the SV1 and Grandstage. Beyond Awful.
But the new Kronos plays like butter.
I couldnt believe it, but I think they just save thier best action for the Kronos.



Jim,

Did you buy the Kronos SE or the K2? I had someone tell me they were different keybeds but looked at the specs. and they appear to be the same keybed. Asking don't know 4 sure? [/quote]

Benny,

I got the K2. The SE is adifferent action entirely (Korg calls it light weighted). I was all set to get an SE, but I walked into a local store on a whim and they had a K2 88 and I sat down behind it for a hour + and didínt get up !
It felt entirely different than ANY of the earlier generations of RH3. So much more responsive and smooth. So I went home and had Sweetwater overnight one to me.
FWIW, instead of an ďRH3Ē sticker on the top key, there was a ďmade in japanĒ sticker in red cursive, so it may be an upgraded or tweaked version?
I do know its COMPLETELY different than the SV1 or Grandstage.
As a matter of fact, the store had an SV1 and Grandstage running thru the same monitors as the K2.
Playing them did nothing to change my earlier AWFUL experiences with both boards.
So thatís my experience.
But, to reiterate, the SE s an entirly different action than the other models! [/quote]
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 04:37 PM

Do any stores in NYC have the 1000 or 3000 out to try? GC and MF already have the black one available to ship. Would like to try it out before buying- My P125 is working out great and I don't know if I will add another board though anyway
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 05:09 PM

Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
I HATED the RH3 on the SV1 and Grandstage. Beyond Awful.
But the new Kronos plays like butter.

These either goes to show you individually subjective this all is, or that boards vary even if they're ostensibly the same, or both. Bu I really enjoy playing the SV1, and the one Kronos 73 I tried, I didn't like the feel of at all. Could be the presence of the aftertouch strip? I don't know...
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: LarsHarner
Do any stores in NYC have the 1000 or 3000 out to try? GC and MF already have the black one available to ship. Would like to try it out before buying- My P125 is working out great and I don't know if I will add another board though anyway
My understanding is the PX-S1000 is hitting dealers this week so they should be showing up now or soon. The PX-S3000 is expected mid or later in April.
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 05:36 PM

Demo sounds from the PX-S1000 this time

PX-S1000 sounds

From the top counting down 7-9,11-12+15-16 Sound Good.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 06:01 PM

Originally Posted By: brooster1
Demo sounds from the PX-S1000 this time

PX-S1000 sounds

From the top counting down 7-9,11-12+15-16 Sound Good.

Track 6 is Chorus Rhodes, drowning in built in chorus modulation... imagine what a guitarist would say if forced to play with Chorus On all the time, especially for soloing.
Nice sounding Vibes patch (final Track; I hear the mallets). I like a split Vibes/Bass for my own Modern Jazz Quartet duo vibe.
Track 10 is Jazz Organ and I like the sound I hear there.
Maybe the S3000 will let me edit the organ's C3 and Percussion as controllable effects? Will they be good? And edit the Rhodes to Chorus OFF.
Posted By: SliceOfPierce

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 06:10 PM

Was just reading over on another forum, there is no way to connect either of these to a computer to run VSTs? I know there was no midi but I thought the USB would be capable of that?
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: SliceOfPierce
Was just reading over on another forum, there is no way to connect either of these to a computer to run VSTs? I know there was no midi but I thought the USB would be capable of that?


Poppycock. All the Privias are class compliant USB to host.
ďClass-compliant USB means you can connect to any Mac/PC/iOS/Android device with no drivers or installation needed.Ē
Posted By: SliceOfPierce

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 06:20 PM

Thankyou! Iíve given up on the D1 and think Iíll be placing an order for the S1000
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/16/19 06:26 PM

S3000 is the kind. You can record your piano demos direct to a USB stick in uncompressed .wav file format. Looking forward to a Chorus free Rhodes and a Jazz Organ (88800000) that I can edit. Those 2 features make it worth the extra $120 to me.
Posted By: MPN21

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/17/19 02:42 AM

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: SliceOfPierce
Was just reading over on another forum, there is no way to connect either of these to a computer to run VSTs? I know there was no midi but I thought the USB would be capable of that?


Poppycock. All the Privias are class compliant USB to host.
ďClass-compliant USB means you can connect to any Mac/PC/iOS/Android device with no drivers or installation needed.Ē

A Casio fan here. It's time that Casio started featuring audio over USB perhaps with the replacement models for the PX5s and the PX560.
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/17/19 10:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
My understanding is the PX-S1000 is hitting dealers this week so they should be showing up now or soon. The PX-S3000 is expected mid or later in April.


Thanks Joe- it can be quite frustrating as we have a guitar center and sam ash in the same shopping center- and they often do not get new items in on the floor. I still haven't been able to try out a grandstage after all this time.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/17/19 01:50 PM

If GC has it in the box in the back they are obligated to open it as a floor display if you ask them to.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/17/19 04:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
If GC has it in the box in the back they are obligated to open it as a floor display if you ask them to.
'
Obligated? By whom? Are you saying that their dealer agreement with Casio requires it? I haven't heard of anything like that. Or maybe you're saying Guitar Center corporate requires that their locations do that?
Posted By: Radagast

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/17/19 08:42 PM

Originally Posted By: MPN21

A Casio fan here. It's time that Casio started featuring audio over USB perhaps with the replacement models for the PX5s and the PX560.


I agree completely.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/18/19 12:08 AM

I donít think the 560 will be changing soon. The 5S is due. And itís going to be some bang for your buck, light weight killer synth and stage piano.
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/18/19 12:47 PM

Is one of the new Casio models with organs going to be editable?

They were so close on even the WK 3000 series that was released in 2006. The percussion was the biggest problem. It was way too loud, and not really authentic. It even has a decent slow leslie sim if you edit Stereo Phaser in the DSP.

My WK 3000 is very much a go to organ for me for practice, because it runs on batteries too. Killer lower manual sound with slow chorale.
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/18/19 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
If GC has it in the box in the back they are obligated to open it as a floor display if you ask them to.
'
Obligated? By whom? Are you saying that their dealer agreement with Casio requires it? I haven't heard of anything like that. Or maybe you're saying Guitar Center corporate requires that their locations do that?
I don't know if there's an "obligation" either, but I would think if they want to make a sale they'd be willing to set it up if a customer asked. If they balk because they don't have a demo unit, tell them that is the demo.

(Some manufacturers have specific demo units the stores are to use, while others have them simply pull one from inventory for demo purposes. Casio is the latter. What happens is that store employees don't keep track of which ones are which and then think they can't pull a Casio for demo.)
Posted By: jefsco

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/19/19 01:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
My understanding is the PX-S1000 is hitting dealers this week so they should be showing up now or soon.

Sweetwater has stock on the black PX-S1000
Posted By: Keepitsimple

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/20/19 08:12 AM

I want to get the PX-S1000 from Musicstore de. They still don't have it in stock. Been harassing their website daily to check.
Posted By: BluMunk

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/20/19 10:11 AM

I'm in the market for mid-April/May . . . I'm really eager to hear some reports from the wild (or to try one myself at Guitar Center).
Posted By: Keepitsimple

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/20/19 10:28 AM

So far, every single person who played it has been impressed by it. Safe to say it will be a blind buy for me since i need a new controller with good keys to replace my old CDP 200R.
Posted By: BluMunk

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/20/19 10:57 AM

Totally, and at literally 1/2 the price of the Yamaha P515 (which was my plan before NAMM), this budget-minded consumer can hardly afford to not buy the S3000.

I do own the PX5S for gigs, and while I love it for many things, I don't love the piano sound (mainly the sound doesn't seem to last long enough . .. it dampens and ends too shortly for me). I know that this has a different piano sound in it, but I do want to try before I buy.
Posted By: Keepitsimple

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/20/19 11:04 AM

Originally Posted By: BluMunk
do want to try before I buy.
Of course, typically that's always the way go!
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/20/19 01:21 PM

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
Originally Posted By: gg22

EDIT: I'm assuming that Casio CDP and Privia's actions are mechanically the same, because I've only played the CDP model.

They are different, as Mike said above
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
As mentioned previously the CDP-S series action is not identical to the new Privia.

What seems ambiguous to me (as I posted above) is whether there are physical differences in addition to the differences in digital processing. Or to put it differently, would they seem like different actions even when played with the power off, or only when actually playing sound? In a sense, you could say it's academic, since playing it with sound is kind of the point. But the distinction does speak to the possible validity of some of gg22's observations, and to my own question about to what extent the actions differ when triggering external VSTs as opposed to the board's internal piano sounds (which depends on physical vs. processing differences, and in the case of the latter, if they are relevant when triggerng external sounds as well).

Originally Posted By: BluMunk
I do own the PX5S for gigs, and while I love it for many things, I don't love the piano sound (mainly the sound doesn't seem to last long enough . .. it dampens and ends too shortly for me).

Have you tried Mike's alternate piano downloadable at http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/files/file/5-pianoaltatk/ ? I found it to be a significant improvement. By softening the attack, it reduces the sense of initial fast decay, so it might address what you're describing.
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/20/19 08:08 PM

Went to demo the Roland FP 30 again.

This time, I compared the piano sample to the RD 2000.

The FP 30 sounded pretty good . But it offers nothing beyond the acoustic sample. Anything else basically sucked on it.

I liked the FP 30 action better this time out.

Why am I posting this on the Casio thread? Because the Casio needs to sound better than this Roland, or I am buying the Roland instead.

I have to say... though I have wanted to like Casio in the past, I have never paid money for their acoustic pianos.It has always been Roland or Yamaha.

This has got to be the one that makes me switch, or I am going to be too old before the next series is out.

So there.
Posted By: Keepitsimple

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/22/19 09:18 AM

So my local official Casio distributor called today and he said they will have those keyboards in 2 months and they will do a launch event and invite me.

I was going to order the S1000 from Germany but now i guess i will wait. It's always better to try it first!
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/22/19 04:08 PM

I hope they take their time so that they can put a good Fender Rhodes suitcase Piano sample in there without built-in chorus. One that is highly detailed sounding, something like a compressed and looped Scarbe Rhodes EP. The Fender Rhodes patches in my Casio CT -X 700 (2018) are very disappointing. I am afraid they are going to show up in the new S 3000.The Fender Rhodes deserves respect, not just some dull approximation of a real Rhodes; and a bunch of weird FM sounding EPs show up around it in the library (CTX Series). I like that my PX 360 has about four Fender Rhodes patches in it , each just slightly different
Posted By: Keepitsimple

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/22/19 04:23 PM

Can they still do that after it's released? That would be awesome if you can later download and add sounds like Dexibel and Nord do.

To be honest, i mainly want to get it to have a good 88 weighted keys to control both my Kronos 61 and my vsts. I'm currently using the CDP 200R for this purpose and i sometimes take it on quick low profile gigs. I love the portability.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/22/19 04:25 PM

You want to carry two keyboards and a computer to gigs? How much are they paying you for that effort? I personally need super big bucks to have to carry more than one keyboard to some gig.
Posted By: Keepitsimple

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/22/19 04:27 PM

Nah i only carry one. Usually it's the Kronos. But the CDP 200R is so light and has good enough bread & butter sounds for gigs, so sometimes i take it instead.

I only use my VSTs for recording, mainly want a good 88 controller to control my beloved Ravenscroft 275 for recording.
Posted By: 16251

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/23/19 11:54 PM

Casio PX S3000 Manual



twothumbs I'm on board the Casio Train.
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 12:14 AM

More Manuals for the PX-S3000
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 01:50 AM

Hmm... the S3000 manual lists the exact same EP set as in my CT-X700.. . thatís not encouraging . Although there are two new ones listed I have not heard called the ďAmp E Piano 1Ē and ďAmp E Piano 2Ē, so maybe thereís some hope... I am listening to the EP library in my CTX and they are not so good. ďDynamic RhodesĒ is the closest the CTX gets to a Rhodes and itís bark is embarrassing and very annoying the way the samples abruptly cross switches when you dig in a little and it produces an awful bark unlike any Rhodes anybody has ever heard..,I thought that obvious sort of cross switching had been done away with by sound designers years ago. A fI x on the CTX Dynamic EP is to edit the touch to Hard, then the crazy velocity bark isnít triggered. It becomes a useful Dyno Rhodes. Most of the CTX EPs remind me of some cheesy Roland Sound Canvas patches from 20 years ago. Casio sort of misses the mark when it comes to a Fender Rhodes sound. The Rhodes in my PX-360 sounds and behaves much better than the CTX set. So hopefully the new so called ďAmp E Piano ď saves the day. Which EP Tone was the Earth Wind and Fire guy playing at Namm? Mike?
Posted By: Legatoboy

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 08:52 AM

Their PX-5s download library is extensive with Casio built patches and User built ones.... pa-lenty of sounds up there for download for the PX5s... I would think they would do that for the 1000 and the 3000... isn't their an update procedure in the new Casio's ?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 12:56 PM

There isnít a library update feature. Itís the CTX Library with a few modifications resulting in some new Tone variations. The upside is that there is a decent jazz organ #454 ďOrgan2 GĒ in the CTX that should be in the S series. And the pianos are bright and clear. The Organ Bass is ok too. I will use that organ in the S3000. Thisíll be the first time Iíve had a good organ in a digital piano.

The new key response software should make the CTX /S3000 patches behave better. One fix on the CTX Dynamic EP is to edit the touch to Hard, then the crazy velocity bark isnít triggered. It becomes a useful Dyno Rhodes.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 02:01 PM

There is no Digital Processor ďDPĒ option for ďDynamic EPĒ , nor for the Mellow EP, the only two Tones in the CTX Library that even come close to a Fender Rhodes sound. No DP for these is very disappointing . Itís the DP that offers deeper editing. Casio does not respect the classic Fender Rhodes sound, IMO. Are these disappointing (lame) EP Tones choices made in Japan or in USA? I thought it was suspicious that after carefully watching the many official Casio demos of the S series that they never touted the Rhodes EP sound, only the Wurly. Now I see why. They simply donít have a good Rhodes in the CTX Library. I am on the verge of canceling my S3000 preorder.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 02:27 PM

Wasted the past two hours playing and fine tuning all the CTX EPs and they are all digital monstrosities suited for an 80ís Lionel Richie ballad album. Itís 2019 people. The Fender Rhodes has earned its place as THE classic EP. Yet it is absent. What is Casio thinking? I really donít get it. Who on earth manages sound design for their EP section?
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 02:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Legatoboy
Their PX-5s download library is extensive with Casio built patches and User built ones.... pa-lenty of sounds up there for download for the PX5s... I would think they would do that for the 1000 and the 3000... isn't their an update procedure in the new Casio's ?

PX5S and PX560 are the only Privias that have had updatable sounds. But the CT-X3000/5000 do, and there does seem to be some carryover of CTX technology to the new PX, so... maybe?

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
ďDynamic RhodesĒ is the closest the CTX gets to a Rhodes and itís bark is embarrassing and very annoying the way the samples abruptly cross switches when you dig in a little and it produces an awful bark unlike any Rhodes anybody has ever heard..,I thought that obvious sort of cross switching had been done away with by sound designers years ago.

Obvious cross switching is still common, though I rarely find it bothersome, as long as you're playing from a board that well maps the velocity response to the samples. Even if the sound is the same, you may find that the CTX Rhodes you don't like plays better from the PX weighted action. If nothing else, you're not so likely to get the bark prematurely.

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Casio sort of misses the mark when it comes to a Fender Rhodes sound. The Rhodes in my PX-360 sounds and behaves much better than the CTX set. So hopefully the new so called ďAmp E Piano ď saves the day.

An "Amp" patch would presumably be emulating how the EP plays through an amp, so unlikely to change characteristics like the presence of bark at a certain velocity. Casio has had a wide variety of Rhodes sounds in their Privias over the years... one of my favorites is what I think is their very earliest! But I've liked some others. Dave Weiser made some hexlayer EP patches for the PX5S, which I understand are being ported to the PX560. I think hexlayer EPs are the most nuanced of the EP sounds simply by virtue of having 6 layers to play with, which I think is more than standard AiR (or AiX). So if you wanted a version of your PX360 with upgraded EPs, maybe the PX560 is worth looking at. Though it won't have the new acoustic piano sounds of the new PX.

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
There is no Digital Processor ďDPĒ option for ďDynamic EPĒ , nor for the Mellow EP, the only two Tones in the CTX Library that even come close to a Fender Rhodes sound. No DP for these is very disappointing . Itís the DP that offers deeper editing.

Are you referring to the sounds not saying "DSP" in the data list? I think that just means that they don't automatically have a DSP effect assigned (phasing, wah, amp sim, whatever). It looks to me like you are always able to assign a DSP effect to any sound regardless.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 02:42 PM

Yeah the libraries are not great on the MZ-X500 either - but man are the CTX and MZ-X priced aggressively. Certainly on par at this price point, no? Both are more potent than a Roland Go.

Acoustic piano is really their strong point in the Privia line and the Hex Layer synth - but it only comes on the 5S and 560. The bulk of their sounds need work to bring them up to the expectations of this forum. But when they do, wow... well, we see what the 5S has done for competition in the lightweight affordable stage piano range. Personally I think it was the catalyst for the Roland DS88, Kurzweil SP6, Yamaha MODX8, etc.
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 03:27 PM

If the objective of these boards is to some extent a portable then why no love for the Yamaha P125? I've taken it out and it sounds great especially in the mid and mid-low range. Of course everyone will mention GHS which I can understand, but there are other boards out there like the FA-30 for instance as well.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Yeah the libraries are not great on the MZ-X500 either - but man are the CTX and MZ-X priced aggressively. Certainly on par at this price point, no? Both are more potent than a Roland Go.

Acoustic piano is really their strong point in the Privia line and the Hex Layer synth - but it only comes on the 5S and 560. The bulk of their sounds need work to bring them up to the expectations of this forum. But when they do, wow... well, we see what the 5S has done for competition in the lightweight affordable stage piano range. Personally I think it was the catalyst for the Roland DS88, Kurzweil SP6, Yamaha MODX8, etc.


Elmer, not sure what you mean. The MZ-X500 sells for $1,100, even the X300 sells for $899 (United States, in Europe you can get a seemingly discontinued X300 for about $300, but unfortunately Casio doesn't allow European countries to sell Casio to the US). Anybody reading this that lives in Europe, this is the deal of the decade. For $300 you get a keyboard with kick ass speakers, under 18 pounds, touchscreen, MIDI jacks, audio and mic ins, decent keybed. Nothing I know of under about $800-$1,000 can touch it if you need its features.

Also, the MZ-X500 has hex layers as well, more advanced than the PX-5S, and unlike the 560, it has sliders that do the volume for each of the 6 layers plus cutoff filter and resonance for the total mix. It's too bad they did such a great job with the hex layers, killer feature to have volume sliders for each of the tones, but they didn't finish the job and give you a screen to see what tones you're boosting/cutting, so unless you have a perfect memory, you're adjusting volumes hit or miss. And for that matter, a more user friendly way of editing those tones as a package. So close, yet so far!


Have to say, am anxiously waiting for the S3000 reports to come out and have a chance to try myself. Since my MZ-X500 has been stolen I've been looking at replacement boards. The current contenders are Korg PA 700, MODX7 and now the S3000. I tend to play just one board, it's a lotta work to set up any board, and for my needs each of these 3 boards tick alot of boxes. The S3000 is particularly tempting if the keybed and piano sounds are as good as people report, that would get me back to piano in a big way. The early adopters of the S1000 have yet to report!

Randy
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 06:51 PM

The Piano sound is the CTX series Piano sound. The only difference will be the key action and the interactive software between the key sensors and the Tone.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 07:33 PM

Iíll be releasing a video this week on the PX-S3000 which should clarify everything and answer all your questions. Stay tuned just a few more days.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 07:45 PM

twothumbs
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 08:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Iíll be releasing a video this week on the PX-S3000 which should clarify everything and answer all your questions. Stay tuned just a few more days.


Following...
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 08:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Josh Paxton
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Iíll be releasing a video this week on the PX-S3000 which should clarify everything and answer all your questions. Stay tuned just a few more days.


Following...


I am also anxiously waiting for this.
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 09:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Iíll be releasing a video this week on the PX-S3000 which should clarify everything and answer all your questions. Stay tuned just a few more days.


Is there a way also to find out which retailers carry these? I find in general across all models that often these stores don't carry items beacuse they feel people might buy them online anyway.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 09:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The Fender Rhodes has earned its place as THE classic EP.


in Jazz, yes. Rock and Roll, not so much
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 09:15 PM

Some Non-jazz Rhodes usage:

Billy Preston - The Beatles: Get Back and Let It Be, The Doors :'Riders On The Storm'. The Doobie Brothers. Earth Wind and Fire. Catalyst. Max Middleton. Billy Joel: The Stranger. Phish. Paul Simon: Still Crazy. The Eagles. SquarePusher. George Harrison All Things Must Pass. Commodores. Ohio Players. Sly and The Family Stone. Pearl Jam. Band On The Run. Rad. Stevie Wonder. D'Angelo. Traffic: Empty Pages. Donny Hathaway. Sly Dunbar. Eisley. Steely Dan. Taxi. "Sheep" from Pink Floyd. Jamiroquai. Chic. Ambrosia. Incognito. E Street Band. Magma. The Roots. Nilhs Frahm. George Duke - Zapa band. Camel. Alan Parsons- Eye in the Sky . Jaguar. Santana. Metalwood. Marvin Gaye. Off The Wall Michael Jackson. James Taylor. Linda Ronstadt. Sister Sledge. Gil Scott Heron. Joni Mitchell. Jan Hammer. Tori Amos. Yes': Sound Chaser on Gates of Delirium. Beck. Gentle Giant. Elton - Daniel. Pipeline. Led Zeplin "No Quarter". Seals and Croft. Prince. Carpenters. Greyboy Allstars. Remy Shand R&B. Level 42. Radiohead. Portishead. Jivestone. Bob Marley. The Hellacopters. Rose Royce. Beastie Boys. Manzel. Johnny Guitar Watson. Soul Basement. Black Diamond Heavies. Brian Auger. Air (French band). Alex Harvey. Frampton comes Alive. Ray Charles. Al Jarreau.
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 09:58 PM

Great list Jazz+- the one that stands out to me is Still Crazy by Paul Simon as well as Rosalinda's Eyes by Billy Joel.
The Motif had some of my favorite phaser type sounds
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Some Non-jazz Rhodes usage

I'd say you've got a lot of jazz-based stuff in there. (And little that qualifies as "rock and roll.")
Posted By: wd8dky

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 10:02 PM

I guess the Wurly never showed up in a rock tune. *phew*
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 10:05 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Some Non-jazz Rhodes usage

I'd say you've got a lot of jazz-based stuff in there. (And little that qualifies as "rock and roll.")


Maybe if you lump all black music in with jazz.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 10:08 PM

As a keyboard player I need 5 essential sounds.
Based on my CT-X (same as S3000 library) , I score Casio CT-X this way with the Rhodes being the biggest disappointment:

Piano: B+
Rhodes: D-
Wurly: C+
Clav: C
Organ: B

I'm also a huge fan of Vibes which I grade B+

Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 10:41 PM

Originally Posted By: wd8dky
I guess the Wurly never showed up in a rock tune. *phew*

?

The fact that Wurly (and the nearly indistinguishable Pianet N) and acoustic piano and organ show up in more rock than Rhodes does is kinda the point here. Even the "rock" that has Rhodes tends to be either jazzier rock or mellower ballads that are more "adult contemporary" than rock. Some exceptions, sure. But Rhodes isn't really much of a rock and roll instrument overall.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 10:59 PM

I play solos that require single note lines, like fusion and jazz. The Rhodes is ideal for soloing like a horn player. So is organ and piano and vibes. Not so much Wurly or Clav. I think of those two as background comping instruments.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 11:01 PM

Anyways the CTX (S3000) library Rhodes sucks. And a DSP isn't gonna fix it when the underlying samples are so lacking. They really cheeped out on the Rhodes. Both the S3000 and S1000 are directly based on the CTX sample library, confirmed by the release of the manual on Friday night. I have been testing the CTX patches using MIDI from my PX-360 all weekend.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 11:18 PM

Is it so hard for keyboard manufacturers to produce a good Rhodes sound? I know it's hard for them to produce a good piano sound and a good organ sound. But I thought Rhodes was supposed to be easier. Yamaha's CP4 and their Mojo seemed to have no problem with a good Rhodes Patch.
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/24/19 11:39 PM

Very fine Rhodes on Korgís Grandstage and Vox Continental.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/25/19 12:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
Very fine Rhodes on Korgís Grandstage and Vox Continental.

My favorite Rhodes is still Korg SV1. But I do also like the Kronos EP engine (which would include Grandstage and Vox Continental).

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Is it so hard for keyboard manufacturers to produce a good Rhodes sound? I know it's hard for them to produce a good piano sound and a good organ sound. But I thought Rhodes was supposed to be easier.

Why do you think that? One thing I noticed is that low-priced Korgs (like Microstation) can actually have more velocity layers for their Rhodes than their acoustic piano. So to get the quality of piano and EP sounds they wanted in that budget instrument, the Rhodes required more sample resources and velocity mapping than the acoustic piano did! Also, some want an EP to sound as it often did when played as it was originally, i.e. typically through a tube amp... which is generally better handled through further processing (rather than samples), another complication. I am curious what the "amped" PX-S Rhodes will sound like. Anyway, the point is just that the different instruments have different challenges, and one is not necessarily simpler than the other. Depending in part upon how fussy you want to be about each. ;-)

As I mentioned, I think some Casios have pretty good Rhodes sounds. But if you're going to complain that a $175 CT-X700 or even an $800 PX-S3000 doesn't have a great Rhodes sound, I think that might be qualified by... what $175 unweighted or $800 weighted action boards DO have strong Rhodes sounds? For the latter, you might look at a Kawai ES110... though it's pretty minimally featured, more like a PX-S1000 (or even CDP?) than a PX-S3000. But maybe you don't need all the 3000's bells and whistles, and just a handful of strong sounds will work for you, so that could be worth looking at. (Bonus, it has MIDI jacks.) Possibly the best "value keyboard" for Rhodes is a Yamaha Reface CP. But it's twice the price of a CT-X700 and basically has just 6 sounds, and 37 mini-keys, so you trade-off a lot there too. (And unfortunately, it's not simple to run a Reface from the PX-S, either.)

What was enticing you to trade up from the PX360 to the PX-S3000 to begin with? Was it largely the hope for better Rhodes? Or...?
Posted By: Legatoboy

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/25/19 10:30 AM

There will surely be a new PX5s if there is no update feature in these ..I think Mr Martin's clue is valid now after hearing this!
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
There isnít a library update feature. Itís the CTX Library with a few modifications resulting in some new Tone variations. The upside is that there is a decent jazz organ #454

ďOrgan2 GĒ in the CTX that should be in the S series. And the pianos are bright and clear. The Organ Bass is ok too. I will use that organ in the S3000. Thisíll be the first time Iíve had a good organ in a digital piano.

The new key response software should make the CTX /S3000 patches behave better. One fix on the CTX Dynamic EP is to edit the touch to Hard, then the crazy velocity bark isnít triggered. It becomes a useful Dyno Rhodes.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/25/19 11:28 AM

Mike hinted at 5S successor. Iíd be inclined to wait and see what that means. They have years of feedback now from users on refining that design.

The PX-S3000 and 1000 will be a hit at their price points Surely canabilizing sales of the PX-160 (if give or take $200 isnít a deal breaker). But above that - it all depends what your needs are. If internal speakers and the slim design sub $1k are the priority... But if the best they have to offer in sound engines and controller features are the priority the 5S successor is the one to watch for.

The Kawai ES-110 was an improvement in key speed over the 100. Itís worth a look to compare to the S1000. See which sounds and action you prefer.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/25/19 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Some Non-jazz Rhodes usage:

Great list, Jazz+.
For the record, I have continously owned a Rhodes piano (have had 4 or so) for over 40 years now. I prefer playing my Rhodes 88 Mark II to my Wurlitzer 200 overall. The last few shows I have seen were Little Feat, Tedeshi Trucks Band, Goverment Mule, and Corey Henry's Funk Apostles. All of them had a Wurlitzer on stage, not a Rhodes in sight. That was my point, that's all. Wasn't trying to stir things up. smile
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/25/19 01:23 PM

dbl post
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/26/19 12:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
To clarify a couple things.

- Entirely new action. Obviously a huge task and also a risk for any manufacturer to undertake something like this. First impressions from artists, dealers and customers - this is a dramatic improvement over a previous action.

- AiR stuff. For all practical purposes this should be AiR2. Everything from the chips driving it to the software is new. Some of the nuance tech (string and damper resonance) is derived from what we've previously done in our Grand Hybrid pianos but it is not 100% identical. This also includes new DSP (reverbs, hall simulations) that is dramatically better than previous products.

- Realtime stuff - I think Joe covered that but PX-S3000 has 2 knobs and an expression pedal input. The knobs have pairs of choices for their assignments (Attack / Release, Cutoff/ Resonance....FX Parameter 1 / FX Parameter 2). The list of choices is extensive.

SP-34 Pedal: Half Dampering, YES!

- Editing. PX-S3000 does have selectable insert effects. Again an extensive list. We haven't had as much time on this product prior to NAMM but again the list is quite remarkable.

PX-5S replacement. Remember the history. PX-5S was released a year after the PX-150 and PX-350.

Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/26/19 12:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Originally Posted By: SeaGtGruff
I asked Saul at YamahaMusicians.com about the CDP-S, and he asked Casio, and they said the new CDP-S models use AHL ii, not AiR or AiX.


Heís correct about the CDP-S100 only.
The CDP-S350 is a AiX variant.
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/26/19 05:36 PM

Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/26/19 06:34 PM

Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/26/19 06:51 PM

I played the PX-S1000 today and I have two words to say.

Surround Sound.
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/26/19 07:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
I played the PX-S1000 today and I have two words to say.

Surround Sound.


If you were to elaborate with more than two words, what would they be?
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/26/19 08:38 PM

Surround Sound! That sounds promising!!!
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/27/19 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Josh Paxton
Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
I played the PX-S1000 today and I have two words to say.

Surround Sound.


If you were to elaborate with more than two words, what would they be?
"I like it."

laugh

Seriously, everyone that tried the sound modes (Hall, Surround, disabled) was really impressed by Surround.

The action is great, the piano is great, etc. I actually don't know what to say, except that it feels really natural and inviting to play. I didn't put it through its paces, but it is a very appealing instrument to play so far. I didn't feel like there were weaknesses in it. I also didn't dig around with the other tones as much. The piano is so nice you kind of want to keep playing it.
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/27/19 05:07 PM

Regarding Jazz +'s comments on the CTX he has ( assuming the 700 ?)

And with all due respect to Mike Martin...

Overall I was disappointed with the CTX -700 when it came out about a year ago.

I greatly missed the editing capabilities of the CTK 691 and WK3000.

I did not agree with the decisions regarding the sounds overall. Given what the CTK and WK series was capable of over 10 years ago, I greatly anticipated the arrival of the new sound engine.

I am not sure who is programming these sounds but I assume that they are capable of better. But whoever is making these decisions is apparently satisfied with the results and probably assumes that the general public will be OK with all of this.

I actually ordered the CTX 700 from Guitar Center but elected not to keep it. After about a 20 minute demo I decided that the sounds I needed - acoustic piano, organ, Rhodes would just keep me in the state of wishing it were better.

This is not the case with my WK 3000 and CTK 691 though. I use one or the other all the time.

Sorry Mike. I am hoping for better from the new 88 weighted series but am also looking toward the Roland FP 30 which is priced comparably.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/27/19 05:53 PM

I played the new CDP-S100 for half an hour at GC yesterday. Had to work kind of hard to play the black keys, all in all the action made me physically quite tired after a few minute of acrobatic stride playing, I might be out of shape though.

Is the CDP-S100 the same mechanical key action as the S3000? I mean are they the same action design when the power is Off?

I know the 3000 has a new dynamic sensor software program, but that wouldn't change the physics of the weighted key action.
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/27/19 08:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I played the new CDP-S100 for half an hour at GC
Is the CDP-S100 the same mechanical key action as the S3000? I mean are they the same action design when the power is Off?


That's a $900 question everybody tries to avoid for some reason. This over hyped marketing campaign might backfire if Casio ends up with a lot of returned units that people pre-ordered based on reviews.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/28/19 07:03 AM

Yes, looking forward to laying my own hands on the action.
One result of the buzz over these boards has gotten me interested in an 88 sporting its own speakers, something Iíve never had. Iíve since circled back to the Yamaha P-515 as my plan B, which looks and sounds great in the demos. Iíll pay the extra cheese.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/28/19 03:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Yes, looking forward to laying my own hands on the action.
One result of the buzz over these boards has gotten me interested in an 88 sporting its own speakers, something Iíve never had. Iíve since circled back to the Yamaha P-515 as my plan B, which looks and sounds great in the demos. Iíll pay the extra cheese.


Yes, if I wanted a stay at home board and had the extra money, the P-515 is probably the board I'd want as well. It's got MIDI sockets, more than twice the speaker power, and apparently one of the best keybeds Yamaha makes, as well as some of its best pianos. It's one of the few boards that's somewhat close in price that's comes close to or exceeds the S3000 (at least from reports) in terms of keybed and sounds.


Still eagerly awaiting user reviews of the new Casios!
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/28/19 04:19 PM

I recommend you try the S1000 and S3000 next to a Yamaha P-515 , at Guitar Center, before you jump in. I think I know which I would chose. Casio has upped their product and has surpassed all the Yamahas pianos for under $1200.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/28/19 04:25 PM

So I just got the PX-S1000 and tried it out... and its nothing short of amazing in just about every respect! As Casio has been saying, everything about it is new: new case/chassis, new key action, new samples, new sound chip, new user interface, etc.

Two things in particular that I like are the key action, and the deep, rich sound in the lower register of the piano samples.

So I did a video where I played Queen's "Somebody To Love" to demonstrate what the sound is like:

Somebody To Love (Queen) - Piano Cover on PX-S1000

I'll do a full review after becoming 100% familiarized with the board.
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/28/19 05:05 PM

^ Since the piece is in Ab it's easy to check out the geometry of the keys, and wow are they hinged close to the playable interior edge. Normally that would drive me nuts, but everyone seems to be getting along swimmingly with it (except for perhaps Jazz+).

Hopefully I'll find out in a few days with a trip to Clackamas. First thing I'll do is play legato in the area about an octave above Middle C - a problem area with samples on the PX-5s IMO.

In the meantime if anyone wants to do that for me...
grin
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/28/19 05:08 PM

I might have been suffering from piano fatigue at GC when I played the CDP-S100, and it was quite a physically demanding stride I was playing. I find stride is work to play on most pianos unless the keys "fly away" which I have never experienced on any digital action.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/28/19 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I recommend you try the S1000 and S3000 next to a Yamaha P-515 , at Guitar Center, before you jump in. I think I know which I would chose. Casio has upped their product and has surpassed all the Yamahas pianos for under $1200.

Well, the P-515 isn't under $1200. ;-)
Posted By: KorgyPorky

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/28/19 05:46 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I recommend you try the S1000 and S3000 next to a Yamaha P-515 , at Guitar Center, before you jump in. I think I know which I would chose. Casio has upped their product and has surpassed all the Yamahas pianos for under $1200.

Well, the P-515 isn't under $1200. ;-)


But they are an icredible stage piano for the money... same as kawai mp7 and roland fp-9 in that price range... spending a liitle more could give you so much more
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/28/19 05:55 PM

PianoManChuck, how is the playing towards the top of the keys and the black keys. That's where it gets fatiguing if its not done well.

Thanks for the heads up on the action and your enjoyment of the sound. There's NOTHING out there now on the PX-S1000 from end users, so you'd make a big splash if you did a review now, even if it wasn't comprehensive. I know my big questions are: is the keybed really all that, as in better or on par with the CP4 or other esteemed keybeds from boards under $2,000? The quality of the piano sound. And the built-in speakers: apparently they have a surround mode that's excellent, and how is the projection , esp for the player, but also for small clubs.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/28/19 08:30 PM

From the Piano world forum, here's Gary93:

Finally got a chance to try out the px-s1000.

Compare to the px160 side by side, the s1000 keys are heavier, less bounce, quicker response, and lot quieter (Which I preferred). The ivory key spread out evenly on black and white keys on the s1000, feel less plasticky, where some keyboard has different feel between the black and white keys.

Sound wise, it sounds very different than the px160. partially because the speaker position. the s1000 sounded more 'surround', but also can be kinda muffled from having rear facing speaker with small front facing speaker grill instead of upward facing on the px160. Not an expert at the sound engine, but the s1000 piano sample one sounds nicer to my ear than the px160.

Now compare to the roland, I can only compare to the f140r that the other piano store across the street has (which I read its same keys with different body than the fp30). Surprisingly they kinda feels similar. I like both being heavier than yamaha's, and kawai es110. The s1000 feel it has less bounce than the f140r.
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The key does get little harder to press when its close to the fall board (about 0.5 inch / 1.5 cm or so), which still playable, you probably won't get that close if you played an upright piano with a straight up fallboard anyway.

My intent purpose is for practicing at home in a small space. The s1000 music stand sticks out quite a lot. Would had been nice if it was just a little rail to mount a music stand like the fp30.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 03:20 AM

I don't know about that review, he wrote:

"Compared to the px160 side by side, the s1000 keys are heavier, less bounce, quicker response, and lot quieter (Which I preferred). The ivory key spread out evenly on black and white keys on the s1000, feel less plasticky, where some keyboard has different feel between the black and white keys."

I'm confused.
"less bounce, heavier with quicker response"?
On a real piano I think heavier with less bounce means they don't fly away and return as quickly... bounce is good in my mind and another word for fast return. To not be bouncy means sluggish in my vocabulary: An old tennis ball is not as bouncy as a new one.
Heavier keys are harder for me to press at high speeds. I like a Steinway, Yamaha, or Mason and Hamlin grand piano regulated to the point where the keys practically fly away if you breathe on them. That way I can play for many hours and I can play fast almost effortlessly.

I'll do my own testing side by side with my Privia PX-360.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 03:30 AM

He sells them:

Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 10:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
bounce is good in my mind and another word for fast return. To not be bouncy means sluggish in my vocabulary

Bounce (as I think most people use it when talking about digital pianos) is not fast return, it's the phenomenon where, after the return, the key bounces slightly down and then up again, sometims multiple times (in rapid succession). So then fast return is desirable, bounce is not.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 10:52 AM

S1000 have a way to do direct patch selection, etc?
Can it accept MIDI patch change, etc. from MainStage or Cantabile?
Or do you have to press button and press audible key strike to do everything on this interface?
Posted By: Brad Saucier

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 11:52 AM

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
S1000 have a way to do direct patch selection, etc?
Can it accept MIDI patch change, etc. from MainStage or Cantabile?
Or do you have to press button and press audible key strike to do everything on this interface?

Yes, It recognizes bank select MSB and program change to select tones via MIDI. The PX-S1000 manual has a chart listing the parameters needed to call up each preset tone.

It's also possible to select tones from Casio's own mobile app, Chordana Play for piano.

As for audible key strikes to select tones, notification tones can be disabled.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 12:49 PM

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
S1000 have a way to do direct patch selection

Two sounds (piano, EP) have direct selection. The other 15 can be accessed by holding a button and striking a specified key.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 01:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
He sells them:



Yeah so that invalidates all of his reviews facepalm

Have you thought about giving it a rest for awhile? We will know if we like or or not when it is fully released and we get to play it.

I fully understood what PianoMan Chuck was saying about "less bounce: heavier feel"
My Roland FA-08 has a heavier, less bouncy feel than my PX-5S, and for me that means I can play faster trills, etc...

Or as you like to say "really blow"
Posted By: Sam CA

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 05:41 PM

I played the S3000 at SynthPlex this morning. All these bouncy/not bouncy terms are confusing for me. All I know is that the keys return fast enough to do even triple strikes at a high tempo. It's a really nice keybed for the price range.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Sam CA
I played the S3000 at SynthPlex this morning. All these bouncy/not bouncy terms are confusing for me. All I know is that the keys return fast enough to do even triple strikes at a high tempo. It's a really nice keybed for the price range.


Thanks Sam!
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
bounce is good in my mind and another word for fast return. To not be bouncy means sluggish in my vocabulary

Bounce (as I think most people use it when talking about digital pianos) is not fast return, it's the phenomenon where, after the return, the key bounces slightly down and then up again, sometims multiple times (in rapid succession). So then fast return is desirable, bounce is not.


Exactly. That is a significant difference between the new PXS keybed and the PX5S, for example. All of us demonstrators from NAMM noticed it, and I specifically compared the two models. There's no (or very little) extraneous movement after the key return, which made playing feel more responsive and accurate.

Jerry
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 06:31 PM

After playing the PX-S1000/3000 at NAMM it was simply...yeah I could play/use this on a gig.

Usually within 5 minutes I can tell whether it's a yes or a no go. An obvious substantial upgrade from the older models.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 07:00 PM

EscapeRocks,

I never said it invalidated anything, stop putting words in my mouth.
You only have praise for these new models. How have you had advanced access? Do you have a connection to the marketing or sales of Casios in any way?
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 07:02 PM

Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 07:06 PM

He doesn't start playing until 7:10

Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks

I fully understood what PianoMan Chuck was saying about "less bounce: heavier feel"

I never said that... that was Randelph that you were quoting!

I would describe it as "tighter". No, it doesn't hold a candle to a Kawai MP11 or VPC1 (nothing does IMO, but its not $2k-$3k either), but its now a serious contender among all the major players!

This is one of the best actions I've tried in this price range. It would actually be perfect if it weren't for the slightly more pressure required when playing close to the fallboard. You tend to notice that when you're looking/testing, but once you start playing it just works. If you watched my video where I played that Queen song, you'll see that I have absolutely no problem with it in any passage of that song (you can especially see it when the camera is switched to the closeup of playing the keys).
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 08:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
He sells them:


Did you figure that out all on your own, or did you get that from the signature on my posts?
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 03/29/19 08:56 PM

I picked up an s1000 today at GC and was able to use a 16% off coupon, so out the door for $540. The action feels great and the grand piano and mellow piano both sound great...they actually sound pretty similar. The other pianos sound too bright for my taste. I canít imagine using any of the included electric pianos, they are not good. The vibes and strings are usable and probably the jazz organ could work for left hand bass. I bought it mostly to use as a controller for vsts so Iím totally happy. I was going to wait for the 3000 but I doubt the epiano sounds would do it for me, so I couldnít justify the extra money and wait.

Can anyone recommend a usb to midi interface? All the ones I see seem to have the flat usb connecter and not the square shaped one.
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 09:05 PM

Those descriptions of the PX-S1000 (tighter action, less bounce, quieter, nice ivory surface, harder to press close to fallboard) remind me exactly what I felt when I was playing the CDP-S100. So I still think it's the same action. Would be happy to be proven wrong.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 09:06 PM

Originally Posted By: brooster1
He doesn't start playing until 7:10



Ok, youtube comparisons again. Going to need to have them side by side... but.... using the video as a rough estimate... the acoustic and rhodes sounds on the Yamaha are preferable, ymmv. Are these direct or the camera mic picking up the speakers? because the AP on the video just above off the Casio sounds much better than what we are getting here...
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 09:22 PM

Originally Posted By: gg22
Those descriptions of the PX-S1000 (tighter action, less bounce, quieter, nice ivory surface, harder to press close to fallboard) remind me exactly what I felt when I was playing the CDP-S100. So I still think it's the same action. Would be happy to be proven wrong.

Mike Martin has stated they're not the same.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/29/19 11:17 PM

Right... the ambiguity is whether the actions are different because of the software (since we know the PX has digital enhancements to the action), or if they are physically different as well. It may be academic, since if it plays differently, then effectively it is different, but if it's just the software processing, I wondered if the difference carries over to how the board triggers external sounds if using it as a VST controller.
Posted By: brooster1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/30/19 01:13 AM

Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/30/19 01:40 AM

To me this is a special board. Amazing features for the price. The quality of the action, piano sound, while staying under 25 lbs and $600 is unmatched in my opinion. Speakers, Bluetooth audio, and battery power are also great to have. Music stand is nice too.

Plenty of value for me but the obvious cons are lack of midi and eps. I would have gladly paid $100 each for those 2 features to be included. It also seems like they should have included an electric and acoustic bass sound on the s1000.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/30/19 01:58 AM

Actually just realized that there is an acoustic bass and itís pretty good. That seems to be the only sound you can put on the bottom of a split though so thatís kind of strange.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/30/19 02:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Needskeys
To me this is a special board. Amazing features for the price. The quality of the action, piano sound, while staying under 25 lbs and $600 is unmatched in my opinion. Speakers, Bluetooth audio, and battery power are also great to have. Music stand is nice too.

Plenty of value for me but the obvious cons are lack of midi and eps. I would have gladly paid $100 each for those 2 features to be included. It also seems like they should have included an electric and acoustic bass sound on the s1000.

My prediction:

The PX-S boards are right where Casio wants them, replacements/upgrades for the PX-160/350 that gets them in at an aggressive price point while nailing the action, piano sound, weight, battery operation, expression pedal input, etc.

I doubt that they'll go further into the arranger line with a MZ-X600, it'd take years and years to gain traction, and the Korg PA 700 has them beat in many respects (only $200 more in the states, 7" display, video out, song book features, more powerful speakers, knob for accompaniment volume, etc.), obviously not in all respects, but still, it'd be a hell of an uphill battle for them in that mid-range arranger market.

But where they DO have traction is the with the PX-5S, and all the gains they've made with the PX-S boards.

I predict that coming next is the PX-6S, it'd make alot of market sense for them. Put in the new keybed action, ditch the speakers, put in the organ/mixer/hex sliders from the MZ-X boards, solid MIDI controller implementation, some upgraded EP's, an upgrade to the organ from the MZ-X as well as the organ specific buttons, built-in audio interface, mic in, etc.

Do all that and you'd have an $1000-1,100 board that would the address the needs of many of us on the forum that are looking for a killer action, decent to great sounds, and controller board capabilities. I imagine half of us regular posters on this forum would snap up a board like that (though I'd want good speakers thrown in myself).

Randy
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/30/19 02:21 AM

Yep Iíd buy that in a heartbeat.

The EPs need to match the quality of the piano though.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/30/19 02:59 AM

Check out that backing track before and after the Sound Mode effect at 3:23, a bid EQ change.

Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/30/19 11:20 AM

The surround sound effect is pretty cool...however be aware it only works with the onboard speakers it is not applied to any output.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/30/19 12:03 PM

So far I canít find a way to disable the internal speakers. Hopefully I am just missing something. Function F7 says Speaker Out enable/disable but it doesnít seem to affect the internal or external speakers. If anyone knows anything about this please let me know.

Edit: Ok I figured out function F7 will disable the internal speakers -if- you have something plugged in to one of the headphone jacks. External speakers still work with either setting.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/30/19 01:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Needskeys
The EPs need to match the quality of the piano though.

The EPs in the PX5S and PX560 are already quite good, there's a nice selection between the stock EPs and the free downloadable ones programmed by Dave Weiser available at the Casio forum. So I expect that future replacements will have at least comparably good EPs, even though they are not in the newer but lower end CT-X and PX-S models.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/30/19 02:20 PM

I agree on this. Casio is great value for the $. But even they reserve their best stuff for flagships like 5S/560. It would be amazing if the S-1/3000 had everything from the $1k+ models. For me an S3000 would be a slim and light cheap controller with decent piano like-action for a laptop or lower tier for a Kronos 61 or something like that. The onboard sounds are decent enough for around the house and even the casual gig but what weíre hearing is not necessary thrilling to play beyond the central concept AP patches. Iíd say the same about Yamaha P125 and the others in its price range.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/30/19 03:19 PM

General thoughts after a day with the s1000...

As far as the look, feel, and piano sound everything has met and even exceeded expectations. I was happy to see the music stand is included and is sturdy and easy to attach/unattach. Bluetooth audio works great and the 2 headphones jacks are a nice touch (even though I would have preferred at least one be quarter inch). Also the organs overall are a little better than expected.

Acoustic bass, vibes, and strings are good but nothing amazing. Navigation is as expected...have to remember quite a few button/key combinations. Thankfully you can turn off the noises associated with choosing these functions. Alternatively, you can use the chordana play for piano app. It works fine but that uses up the usb connection.

Ep 006 is the Rhodes sound..I suppose itís usable but itís just ok. Hopefully the s3000 has a better one for those who are waiting on that.

Weird stuff...not a huge deal but it doesnít come with the full manual, just the basics one. Also you have to plug something into one of the headphone jacks to disable the internal speakers. The reverbs are all hall effects... there are no room or stage reverbs. Luckily the default hall reverb sounds really nice. Other than duet mode (piano on each side), you can only split bass to the left hand. Thatís strange!

All in all Iím still amazed to get so much keyboard in this small package. Hopefully the s3000 will be worth the extra $$$.

Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 12:55 AM

Speakers can be disabled on the PX-S1000 by pressing Function and F7
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 08:35 AM

Mike, I tried Function and F7. On my board this has no effect unless you also plug in to one of the headphone jacks. I just tried it again after waiting for the power up sequence to finish. I am pressing function and the highest F (F7) on the keyboard.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 02:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Randelph
I doubt that they'll go further into the arranger line with a MZ-X600, it'd take years and years to gain traction, and the Korg PA 700 has them beat in many respects (only $200 more in the states, 7" display, video out, song book features, more powerful speakers, knob for accompaniment volume, etc.), obviously not in all respects, but still, it'd be a hell of an uphill battle for them in that mid-range arranger market.

Somehow I always forget about the Korg arrangers. I haven't played a PA700, but from what can tell, you're right, it does seem to be a lot more board than the MZ-X500 overall, even though the MZ-X does have a few things it doesn't. What brought me to the MZ-X was the desire for a versatile, lightweight board with decent built-in speakers for unplugged rehearsals and maybe small solo stuff... I've also had it do double duty as an "upper tier" board and as a "take it on vacation" board. The PA700 does look like a stronger choice, but 21.8 lbs vs. 16.8... and the 16.8 was already heavier than I'd hoped I'd have to go for this particular use. People probably have different weight thresholds for what qualifies as a good casual grab-it-and-go board. But I have to say, now that you've brought it to my attention, I'm really tempted to take a closer look at the PA700 and PA1000.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 02:10 PM

Can someone here with an s1000 confirm whether the disable speaker (function F7) works on their board? Iím trying to determine if I have a faulty unit.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 02:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Needskeys
Can someone here with an s1000 confirm whether the disable speaker (function F7) works on their board? Iím trying to determine if I have a faulty unit.

It doesn't work on mine either frown
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 02:37 PM

Ok thanks at least Iím not crazy...I guess we have a case of the first batch blues.

It does work (disables internal speakers) if you plug something in to one of the headphone jacks.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 02:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Speakers can be disabled on the PX-S1000 by pressing Function and F7


Hey Mike, it appears that just as with my older PX-350, you need to plug something into the headphone jack to disable the on-board speakers.

I just tried one at Guitar Center here, and sure enough, just pressing Function-F7 did nothing unless the headphone jack was in use.

FYI, the S1000 plays wonderfully. Can't wait to try the S3000
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 02:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Needskeys
Ok thanks at least Iím not crazy...I guess we have a case of the first batch blues.

It does work (disable internal speakers) if you plug something in to one of the headphone jacks.


That's been a standard of the Casio boards for awhile. As i mention in my post above to Mike, you had to plug something into the PX350 headphone jack to disable the speakers.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 02:45 PM

Thatís fine if thatís the case. Mike did not seem to be aware of it yesterday and itís not mentioned in the manual.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 02:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Needskeys
Thatís fine if thatís the case. Mike did not seem to be aware of it yesterday and itís not mentioned in the manual.


Sometimes the pre-release features don't always translate to production.

Same with the manuals.
i.e. Function F7 could have worked on Mike's board at NAMM, etc..

When I used to use my PX350 to gig, I carried a 1/4" headphone adapter with me to "turn off" the speakers on stage.

You could get a simple 3.5mm or 1/8" plug for the S1000
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 02:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I recommend you try the S1000 and S3000 next to a Yamaha P-515 , at Guitar Center, before you jump in. . .


Yes, wouldnít that be illuminating? If only...
I hit both Guitar Center and Sam Ash today. Neither place had either the P-515 or the S1000. Plenty of other, cheaper, Yamahas and Casios, but nothing Iím interested in. Maddening.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 02:58 PM

It took my Guitar Center guys about 10 minutes over the phone to realize they had it in stock. They were confusing it with an older Casio. They finally figured out that they had 1 white s1000 and 1 black s1000. The white one was not yet for sale. They opened up the black one for me to try and buy.

Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 03:21 PM

Yes, I considered the possibility that they actually had one but werenít aware that it was something NEW and DIFFERENT from the others! I was too annoyed to find out at that point.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 04:31 PM

you know if you go to guitar center website and look up an instrument, it will tell you what locations have thee in stock
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 04:49 PM

I have checked online inventories and driven across town only to find they were not correct. Itís always better to call and verify.

One salesperson even told me itís done intentionally to get people into the store in order to sell similar items.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 04:51 PM

Interesting. The site says the S1000 is in stock at every GC in the greater NY area. T/F
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 04:57 PM

For instance the GC where I bought mine now says limited stock. They only had 2 (one black and one white) when I got mine on Friday. The white one is not for sale yet so they really donít have any.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 06:02 PM

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks

When I used to use my PX350 to gig, I carried a 1/4" headphone adapter with me to "turn off" the speakers on stage.

was the same for me when I gigged with a Wurlitzer 200. cool

can't wait to try out the S3000. thu
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I recommend you try the S1000 and S3000 next to a Yamaha P-515 , at Guitar Center, before you jump in. . .


Yes, wouldnít that be illuminating? If only...
I hit both Guitar Center and Sam Ash today. Neither place had either the P-515 or the S1000. Plenty of other, cheaper, Yamahas and Casios, but nothing Iím interested in. Maddening.


Just played the Casio CDP-S100, PX-S1000 and Yamaha P-515 next to each other. Yamaha P-515 is in another league, consistent and smooth as butter (but twice the price, understandably).

As for the two Casios - I was going back and forth between the CDP and PX for half an hour, and couldn't tell if they have the same or different action. They feel close, black keys have equally short key pivot, but PX-S1000 was much quieter, and may be a bit more heavy/substantial.
Definitely not a bad action, better than low end Rolands or Yamahas, and if you were happy with the previous Privias (no pun intended), you'll be much happier with the new one. But if you have extra money - try the Yamaha P-515 first.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 06:37 PM

Iím wondering how similar the 515 action might be to the Montage - which I absolutely love.
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 07:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Iím wondering how similar the 515 action might be to the Montage - which I absolutely love.


It's heavier and graded. Very different from the Montage.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 07:58 PM

Well, thatís different in the right direction, at least.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
Originally Posted By: Needskeys
Can someone here with an s1000 confirm whether the disable speaker (function F7) works on their board? Iím trying to determine if I have a faulty unit.

It doesn't work on mine either frown

Ok... just looked at the manual and it appears how your board (and mine) is operating is in fact correct! This basically toggles the speakers on/off when headphones are connected! So basically, you'll either have to plug in a set of headphones (or just get a male headphone plug without any wires connected to it) in order to shut it off.

Here's the exact wording from the manual:

SPEAKER OUT:

Controls whether or not sound is output from the speakers when something is plugged into either of the PHONES jacks. Sound is not output when this setting is disabled (default), and output when it is enabled.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 08:51 PM

Thanks for the clarification.
Posted By: miden

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 09:53 PM

Originally Posted By: gg22
Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Iím wondering how similar the 515 action might be to the Montage - which I absolutely love.


It's heavier and graded. Very different from the Montage.


Sorry, incorrect...the graded action (or GHS) is the cheaper Yamaha weighted keybed and it is on the MODX.
The Balanced keybed (the better one) is on the Montage, and I daresay the 515 as well as, afaik, Yamaha only make the two weighted keybeds....any other differences you may read about are perceptions, imo!
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 03/31/19 11:19 PM

Can anyone recommend low cost solutions (cable or midi box) to get from the Casio (usb b) to midi (midi interface)? Most things Iím finding are usb type a.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 12:01 AM

Canít vouch for them, but it would be something like this,
http://www.midiplus.com/html/MIDIHOST.html
Or this...
https://www.excelvalley.com/product/midi-usb-din-converter/
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 01:27 AM

Thanks. Now Iím reminded of why I wish this board had midi.
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 01:51 AM

Originally Posted By: miden
Originally Posted By: gg22
Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Iím wondering how similar the 515 action might be to the Montage - which I absolutely love.


It's heavier and graded. Very different from the Montage.


Sorry, incorrect...the graded action (or GHS) is the cheaper Yamaha weighted keybed and it is on the MODX.
The Balanced keybed (the better one) is on the Montage, and I daresay the 515 as well as, afaik, Yamaha only make the two weighted keybeds....any other differences you may read about are perceptions, imo!


http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/musi.../p-80/330/6575/

P-515 has one of the Yamaha's best (graded) actions:
https://ca.yamaha.com/en/products/musica...ml#product-tabs

Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 02:17 AM

P-515 (48 lb, 8 oz)
PX-S1000 (24 lb)
No contest in weight for gigging.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 05:19 AM

Yamaha P515: it also has no PB or knobs/sliders.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 06:50 AM

Originally Posted By: gg22
Originally Posted By: miden


Sorry, incorrect...the graded action (or GHS) is the cheaper Yamaha weighted keybed and it is on the MODX.
The Balanced keybed (the better one) is on the Montage, and I daresay the 515 as well as, afaik, Yamaha only make the two weighted keybeds....any other differences you may read about are perceptions, imo!


http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/musi.../p-80/330/6575/

P-515 has one of the Yamaha's best (graded) actions

Right, Yamaha has multiple graded actions (i.e. MODX8, P255, CP4 are all different), and multiple non-graded (balanced) actions (CP1/CP5 vs. Montage 8 vs. probably CP73). All balanced vs. graded tells you is whether the keys are weighted the same from bottom keys through top, vs. heavier on bottom and lighter on top. Theoretically, any weighted action design could be manufactured either way, depending on whether they use the same or different weights throughout the key span. This is why, based on the total weight and the nomenclature, I guessed that the BHS action of the CP73 might be a non-graded version of the GHS of the MODX8, etc.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 11:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Needskeys
Thanks. Now Iím reminded of why I wish this board had midi.


What are you trying to do? Go from the board to a computer or interface?

You just need a standard USB B to USB A cable.

Or are you trying to go from the Casio USB B to a standard MIDI DIN?

There's tons of inexpensive solutions out there for that as well.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 11:38 AM

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
[Or are you trying to go from the Casio USB B to a standard MIDI DIN?

There's tons of inexpensive solutions out there for that as well.

These have tended to be not so common, and on the pricey side. The selection does seem to have gotten better over the last year or so, but still not so easy to find in the U.S. -- major sources like Sweetwater don't have them.

ETA: I believe they generally need an additional wall wart power supply as well.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 01:22 PM

Yes I want to go through an audio interface instead of directly into the computer. And yes having to add a power supply is what makes it seem clunky. I can use battery power for keyboard, computer, audio interface, and even external amp. So having to plug in a usb b to midi interface seems crazy...Iím sure thereís a work around usb battery or something.

I guess maybe I should re-evaluate the idea of going directly to the computer. Iíve always heard that the audio interface is the better route though.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 01:50 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
[Or are you trying to go from the Casio USB B to a standard MIDI DIN?

There's tons of inexpensive solutions out there for that as well.

These have tended to be not so common, and on the pricey side. The selection does seem to have gotten better over the last year or so, but still not so easy to find in the U.S. -- major sources like Sweetwater don't have them.

ETA: I believe they generally need an additional wall wart power supply as well.


That is definitely the case with the two I googled up,
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Canít vouch for them, but it would be something like this,
http://www.midiplus.com/html/MIDIHOST.html
Or this...
https://www.excelvalley.com/product/midi-usb-din-converter/


The cost of them reminds us perhaps of why Casio, Yamaha, etc. drop 5pin MIDI on the models they want to sell this low in the price range.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 02:05 PM

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
The cost of them reminds us perhaps of why Casio, Yamaha, etc. drop 5pin MIDI on the models they want to sell this low in the price range.

I think 5-pin MIDI is not costly to implement, but what's costly is creating a USB host. And these keyboards don't send MIDI in any way other than by sending it to a USB host. In a sense, the keyboards are embedding the simple MIDI protocol into a much more elaborate USB protocol... and so then you need a somewhat complicated/expensive device to reverse that and extract the simple MIDI back out of the USB stream.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 03:17 PM

is there an audio interface that incorporates this (usb-a female input)?
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 03:19 PM

I got a chance to demo the PS 1000 the other day.

After hearing the Yamaha P515 I was waiting to hear the Casio because so much is being said about it. Since then I have also listened to the Roland FP 30 - a board at 700 dollars list that features the Supernatural sound engine.

It doesn't look like I will be taking home the Casio. Which is too bad because of its light weight and battery capability etc.etc.

I guess the deal breaker for me is that there is still that same plunkiness in the mid range. When you play a key lightly at around B5 or C5, it has a hollow sound that sounds a bit electronic.

Also I don't get the Rhodes at all. It's not something that would be useful to me.

I played the Casio Celviano ( did I spell that right ) a few years ago At NAMM and there was none of this plunkiness.... so I was really hoping that this tonal approach would make it to the portables.

I am sure a lot of people who are less picky than I am will enjoy this.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 03:40 PM

Just had the thought-what about the PX-560? It is $400 more than the PX-S3000, but it offers alot for someone in this market
+ MIDI din plugs
+ Color touchscreen that gives access to many features, including sequencer
+ Pitchbend AND mod wheels
+ Pretty blue color
+ Possibly better ePiano sounds
+ Hex layers
+ 2 sounds for the lower split if desired

- Not as slim
- keybed / piano sound not as acclaimed as the S1000/3000
- No Bluetooth

I haven't had any 88 note boards on my radar because of the weight/schlepp factor. The PX-S3000 changed that because of the near universal praises for the keybed, piano sound and the low price point which would make it worth it, esp at 25 pounds. This would get me back to my piano roots, the pleasure of a good piano sound and action is hard to beat! The closest step up in piano action and possibly sound is probably the Yamaha P515, but its twice the weight and lots more money.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Needskeys

I guess maybe I should re-evaluate the idea of going directly to the computer. Iíve always heard that the audio interface is the better route though.


The audio interface is to process the sound from the computer.
Plus you board directly into your computer with the USB B to A cable.
Your computer then plugs into your Audio interface.

If your keyboard was older and didn't have USB Midi, that is when you'd use the audio interface to connect your board to the computer i.e. Keyboard>MIDI DIN in/out>AUdio Interface MIDI DIN in/out >computer USB in.

For now your easiest and cheapest is to just get the USB cable. Connect your keyboard to the computer.

Are you using PC or Mac?

If you want your audio from the computer to go thru an Interface there are plenty of interfaces that are USB powered for $100 and less.

Don't overthink the issue smile
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 04:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Randelph
Just had the thought-what about the PX-560? It is $400 more than the PX-S3000, but it offers alot for someone in this market
+ MIDI din plugs
+ Color touchscreen that gives access to many features, including sequencer
+ Pitchbend AND mod wheels
+ Pretty blue color
+ Possibly better ePiano sounds
+ Hex layers
+ 2 sounds for the lower split if desired

- Not as slim
- keybed / piano sound not as acclaimed as the S1000/3000
- No Bluetooth

I haven't had any 88 note boards on my radar because of the weight/schlepp factor. The PX-S3000 changed that because of the near universal praises for the keybed, piano sound and the low price point which would make it worth it, esp at 25 pounds. This would get me back to my piano roots, the pleasure of a good piano sound and action is hard to beat! The closest step up in piano action and possibly sound is probably the Yamaha P515, but its twice the weight and lots more money.


I play the 560 regularly and quite like it for a light weight "schleppable" 88k weighted digital piano with built in speakers. The Casio flight bag for it is compact and light as well. Just don't turn around and bang it into any doorways. No doubt its going to sound better than the S1000 or 3000 in just about all sound categories other than the acoustic pianos which are probably very similar.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
Originally Posted By: Needskeys

I guess maybe I should re-evaluate the idea of going directly to the computer. Iíve always heard that the audio interface is the better route though.


The audio interface is to process the sound from the computer.
Plus you board directly into your computer with the USB B to A cable.
Your computer then plugs into your Audio interface.

If your keyboard was older and didn't have USB Midi, that is when you'd use the audio interface to connect your board to the computer i.e. Keyboard>MIDI DIN in/out>AUdio Interface MIDI DIN in/out >computer USB in.

For now your easiest and cheapest is to just get the USB cable. Connect your keyboard to the computer.

Are you using PC or Mac?

If you want your audio from the computer to go thru an Interface there are plenty of interfaces that are USB powered for $100 and less.

Don't overthink the issue smile


Ok I think you solved my problem. I thought I had to go through the audio interface. I am using a surface pro which only has one usb...so I just need a cheap usb hub instead of a usb-b midi din thing. I knew I was missing something obvious...thanks!
Posted By: Brad Saucier

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 04:47 PM

snax
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Brad Saucier
snax
My thoughts exactly! Hey... is that seat taken?
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 05:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Randelph
Just had the thought-what about the PX-560? It is $400 more than the PX-S3000, but it offers alot for someone in this market
+ MIDI din plugs
+ Color touchscreen that gives access to many features, including sequencer
+ Pitchbend AND mod wheels
+ Pretty blue color
+ Possibly better ePiano sounds
+ Hex layers
+ 2 sounds for the lower split if desired

Yes, good EP sounds. I prefer the PX560/PX5S EPs to those in the comparably priced Korg Kross 88, Roland DS88, Yamaha MX88.

Some other advantages over PX-S3000 from what I can tell from the manuals:
+ fully editable sounds (vs. only being able to edit the effects)
+ quicker patch selection (hard buttons for access to registrations; ability to group disparate favorites on to a single screen for one-touch patch change)
+ 3 very customizable assignable knobs (vs. 2 knobs with limited assignability)
And hex layers provide a lot of flexibility. For example, you're right about 2 sounds for a lower split in normal operation, but with hexlayers you can also go beyond that... more sounds, multiple split points, etc.
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By: LX88

I guess the deal breaker for me is that there is still that same plunkiness in the mid range. When you play a key lightly at around B5 or C5, it has a hollow sound that sounds a bit electronic.


This is the main issue I have with the piano in my PX-5S, and if it's still there it's very disappointing. I'll give it a personal test run in a few days hopefully. I appreciate the report LX88.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 06:33 PM

Iím thrilled again with this board now that David set me straight on the usb issue. Thanks again!!

I hear the digital thing you guys are talking about in the middle but I think overall the sound is plenty good and can be worked with, certainly for live situations. I mainly wanted this for a good feeling light weight controller for piano vsts etc. For me the Casio piano is just an excellent back up for situations where I donít want to use the computer or in case I have an issue.

Also I think the action is versatile enough (not too heavy) if I wanted to play a jazz organ gig or whatever.

Iíd still be interested to upgrade if they make a 5s successor.
Posted By: Brad Saucier

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 06:40 PM

If you get the chance, try the preset tone called "stage piano". It's not on the PX-S1000 unfortunately, but is on the PX-S3000. To my ears, it has quite a different timbre from the concert grand preset. I'm not sure what "plunkiness" is, but the stage piano preset might be what you want.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Brad Saucier
I'm not sure what "plunkiness" is
A rapid decay from the initial attack to a much lower level.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 08:22 PM

How come the Privia PX-360 is $899 and the 3000 is $799?
I think my 360 piano, Rhodes, speakers, and action are all good. I paid $729 for mine when it was new.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 08:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
How come the Privia PX-360 is $899 and the 3000 is $799?

Why shouldn't it be?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 08:37 PM

I don't know. What makes it worth more?
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 08:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I don't know. What makes it worth more?

I guess a subset of what's listed for the PX560 above, i.e. these...
+ MIDI din plugs
+ Color touchscreen for quicker access to numerous functions
+ 2 sounds for the lower split if desired
+ hard registration buttons for quick access to favorites

...and from what you've posted, possibly better EP sound?

Though the new model has advantages of its own as well, of course. Depends what you need more...

I suspect that losing the touchscreen was a significant cost saving decision to get to the lower price.
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 10:49 PM

Another Scott nailed the definition of plunkiness. Thank you Scott.

Yamaha digitals have it too, from the CP33 era, and many of the Motif sound sets. It's right where you don't want it to be - in the mid range where many melodies reside.

Roland seemed to be to able to avoid it, which is why I am keeping my RD300GX.
Posted By: miden

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/01/19 11:32 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: gg22
[quote=miden]


http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/musi.../p-80/330/6575/

P-515 has one of the Yamaha's best (graded) actions

Right, Yamaha has multiple graded actions (i.e. MODX8, P255, CP4 are all different), and multiple non-graded (balanced) actions (CP1/CP5 vs. Montage 8 vs. probably CP73). All balanced vs. graded tells you is whether the keys are weighted the same from bottom keys through top, vs. heavier on bottom and lighter on top. Theoretically, any weighted action design could be manufactured either way, depending on whether they use the same or different weights throughout the key span. This is why, based on the total weight and the nomenclature, I guessed that the BHS action of the CP73 might be a non-graded version of the GHS of the MODX8, etc.


Thanks for setting that straigh t... I was not aware of that...I thought all the stage keys (Montage/Motif - MOXF8/MODX hhad the same keybeds respectively and I thought all the Motifs had the same weighted one. Didn't realise they made different ones for the home pianos
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/02/19 09:20 AM

I donít hear Ďplunkinessí in the Casio piano sound. Itís a very alive sounding piano and the notes sustain nicely.

Are you guys judging based on the onboard speaker sound in a large noisy music store or what? I took my own headphones to GC but didnít have the 1/8Ē adapter so I ended up with a crappy pair from the store. Not ideal. Iíve also seen keyboards at GC many times hooked up to those terrible sounding Roland keyboard amps.

If you prefer the Roland piano sound, thatís fine. However, it is sometimes easy when you already own one brand to look for a quick reason to dismiss another brand when it doesnít immediately reach some magical, non-existent standard.

Iíve been down the piano vst rabbit hole. Right now, I like the pianoteq Bechstein quite a bit but to be perfectly honest itís only slightly better than many digital pianos.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/02/19 12:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Needskeys
I donít hear Ďplunkinessí in the Casio piano sound. Itís a very alive sounding piano and the notes sustain nicely.

This may not be representative of all the S3000 piano sounds, but you can hear it quite a bit in the Tom Brislin clip earlier in the thread (or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQgdCwaHavY ), e.g. in the section between roughly 5:00 and 6:20. Listen for when his right hand lands on and holds a note or chord, and your ability to continue to hear the held note/chord ring as opposed to it quickly disappearing under his left hand part. This has been common with Casio for a while. But then, to keep it in perspective, these are still budget instruments.
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/02/19 01:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Needskeys
I donít hear Ďplunkinessí in the Casio piano sound. Itís a very alive sounding piano and the notes sustain nicely.


I can only speak of the PX-5S - but when you play an expressive legato melodic line in the area about an octave above Middle C (C5) the notes feel like they disintegrate beneath your fingers - decay too fast, and the samples in that region don't blend well with the rest of the piano.

For many of us this is a crucial area of the keyboard, and exactly the same area ID'd by LX88 as being weak on the PX-S1000. It's the first thing I'll check when I get a chance to play one. I'm hoping for the best, because I'd really like this piano to work for me.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/02/19 02:03 PM

Iím impressed that you made it 6 minutes into that clip.

There are 4 levels of string resonance and 4 levels of damper resonance if you want more sustain. It definitely makes a difference.
Posted By: Sam CA

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/02/19 03:30 PM

A question for long time Pianists/Casio users who use the keyboard on regular basis:

Does the keybed stand the test of time? Any uneven height deviations...say after 2 years or so? Obviously I'm talking about older Casio keyboards.

Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/02/19 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Sam CA
A question for long time Pianists/Casio users who use the keyboard on regular basis:

Does the keybed stand the test of time? Any uneven height deviations...say after 2 years or so?
No one can say of these new models, of course, but the only issue I've seen of the previous gen (PX-5S, PX-160/360/560, etc.) has been the occasional dirty contact. Most of us have had no issues with the action at all.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/02/19 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Needskeys
IThere are 4 levels of string resonance and 4 levels of damper resonance if you want more sustain. It definitely makes a difference.

Resonances should not significantly alter the initial decay envelope or sustain length/levels.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/02/19 07:13 PM

I'm sticking with my PX-360 smile for now. And my Mojo 61 has become my main "players axe" ; Mojo 61 is so fine sounding now that I have a tube amp for my Right Channel and a solid state amp for my Left. Great jazz organ tone and a superb Rhodes!
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/02/19 10:19 PM

Bill H. describes the plunkiness phenomenon well. Notes that decay too quickly.

I never had a chance to demo the PX5S, but I have heard this characteristic in many Casios , which is why I have never picked one up.

For whatever reason, it happens in the B5/ C5 range predominantly, in Casios and some older Yamaha as noted above. Right in an area that I play A LOT.

As in clonewheel organs, it is somewhat of a deal breaker, the way chorus vibrato is to jazz players. I don't want a clonewheel with sub par CV, because I am always going to be wanting more.

So what I do not want is to buy something only to wind up chasing the latest greatest thing hoping it won't have " issues" .

I debated attempting to be a " nice guy" and not say anything.

But I thought... what would I want to hear? I value good information and that is part of the reason I come here for information.



Posted By: Sam CA

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/03/19 01:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
No one can say of these new models, of course, but the only issue I've seen of the previous gen (PX-5S, PX-160/360/560, etc.) has been the occasional dirty contact. Most of us have had no issues with the action at all.


Good to hear that. Thanks!
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/04/19 04:19 PM

BTW I demoed the Casio PXS 1000 with a pair of AKG 240 headphones.

Apparently a lot of very valid artists are behind the Casio product, so by all means don't listen to me! I wanted Casio to work this time....So it comes down to personal taste and what you choose to support with your purchase.

If you don't hear the issues I do... by all means enjoy it! I would love to have a portable 88 that ran on batteries and weighed 25 lbs.

I think that the Yamaha Montage/ MODX / CP 88/ P515 is on to something in regard to getting beyond the deal breaker stage. In the budget category ( as stated above) the best sample I am hearing is in The Roland FP 30. But I haven't lived with any of these, just played them relatively briefly in stores. And always through good quality phones.
Posted By: Legatoboy

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/04/19 05:09 PM

The new Casio CDP-S350 arranger's DP decays faster than the new Roland FP-30... just played them side by side and checked that specifically ... if that is any indication of the new PX's. I'm not 100 %sure if they use the same samples and schema. I have a PX5s but have always midied my NE5d to it for piano sounds. I tend not to use it's onboard DP's...I like the wurly and synth section (Hex and Non Hex)sounds and some of the Rhodes on it and the action... it is a pretty good controller ... but there is the plunkiness factor in the DP's in PX5-S ... that is true!

but for $399 the CDP-S350 isn't bad for the price I must say and it navigated some of my passages better than the FP-30 which sounded considerably fuller than the Casio and had a much better DP sample.... But the keybed on the FP30 feels great for most playing but the key return is faster on the cheaper CDP-S350 and allowed me to play Big Chief without fumbling all those chrunch parts in that tune, a bit more articulate, at least for my choperoos... Casio did a good job with those actions...I like them, some folks don't I know . . there is something in there not exactly like an AP's action but I still like them alot

the FP-30 IS a cool little axe too! Amazing what you can get on the cheap now
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/04/19 05:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Legatoboy
but there is the plunkiness factor in the DP's in PX5-S ... that is true!
It is improved with Mike Martin's alternate piano download on the Casio forum, which softens the attack (among other things)... it may not get you the decay you really want, but it reduces the sense of an immediate dropoff.

Originally Posted By: Legatoboy
the keybed on the FP30 feels great for most playing but the key return is faster on the cheaper CDP-S350 and allowed me to play Big Chief without fumbling all those chrunch parts in that tune, a bit more articulate, at least for my choperoos... Casio did a good job with those actions...

I think that's why so many people also look at the Casios as controllers for VSTs/iOS pianos or as a weighted board to trigger pianos from a non-hammer Nord, etc. Of course, the latter is hindered by the lack of a MIDI jack on the newer models. But the former is still easy.
Posted By: 16251

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/04/19 05:49 PM

I was at Guitar Center today to try PX S1000 and the FP30, which I decided was worth trying from YouTube videos. I'm on board with Casio S3000. I liked action more and the sounds were very serviceable (every DP is a compromise IMO.) Things I didn't like about FP30. Action with lighter and too bouncy and felt like a very shallow key dip. The Casio might have similar key dip but I didn't notice it (which is good IMO.) I really dislike the lack of effects on Roland and that they don't have 1/4" outputs. I understand it's how they market this level of piano but kudos to Casio for taking a different approach on S3000.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/04/19 10:38 PM

OK, finally made it out to GC to try out.

Was really wanting to be bowled over, have a divinely delicious pianistic experience, ready to move on from the synth and semi-weighted boards, most of which have been only 61 notes.

I like piano action 'cause it's what I grew up playing and 'cause it gives good control over volume, but it's been awhile since I seriously played weighted action Unfortunately I was NOT pleasantly surprised. Took a fair bit of exertion for me, guess I was hoping for something between a semi-weighted and a weighted. On the plus side, the action did NOT feel mushy and vague, and perhaps with time I'd get used to it and like it, hard to tell. Like someone else mentioned, the last half inch before you hit the fall board is noticeably more difficult to play.

The sound was coming from the onboard speakers in open space,and it was decent, but there wasn't much volume happening. I can imagine that pushed up against a wall there'd be much more volume.

Have to say, the form factor is pretty compelling, so not-deep, so light, so battery powered, and the music stand is solid.


So.... now that the PX-S series has opened me up to getting an 88 note instead of a 61 or 73 note board, I'm wondering what else out there has an action that I'd like and weighs 25 pounds or under- am wondering about the PX-560-

Ideally:
MIDI out / music stand / 25 pounds or less / audio in / battery powered / powerful speakers / action inspires dynamic expression / iPad friendly
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/04/19 10:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Randelph
I'm wondering what else out there has an action that I'd like and weighs 25 pounds or under- am wondering about the PX-560-

Ideally:
MIDI out / music stand / 25 pounds or less / audio in / battery powered /


The only one I know is Kawai ES110, not battery powered though.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/04/19 11:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Randelph
OK, finally made it out to GC to try out.

Was really wanting to be bowled over, have a divinely delicious pianistic experience, ready to move on from the synth and semi-weighted boards, most of which are only 61 notes.

But it's been awhile since I seriously played weighted action, which I like 'cause it gives good control over volume. Unfortunately I was NOT pleasantly surprised. Took a fair bit of exertion for me, guess I was hoping for something between a semi-weighted and a weighted. On the plus side, the action did NOT feel mushy and vague, and perhaps with time I'd get used to it and like it, hard to tell.

The sound was coming from the onboard speakers in open space,and they were decent, but there wasn't much volume happening. I can imagine that pushed up against a wall there'd be much more volume.

The form factor is pretty compelling, so not-deep, so light, so battery powered, and the stand is solid, unlike the super cheap ones on the WK and MZ series.


So.... now that the PX-S series has opened me up to getting an 88 note instead of a 61 or 73 note board, I'm wondering what else out there has an action that I'd like and weighs 25 pounds or under- am wondering about the PX-560-

Ideally:
MIDI out / music stand / 25 pounds or less / audio in / battery powered /


If you donít like weighted actions and you didnít like the S1000 youíre not going to like the PX-560.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/04/19 11:35 PM

Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/04/19 11:59 PM

.
At 14:05 , High Resolution Velocity with 16,256 levels?

Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 12:15 AM

Casio S-1000 PIANO at 7:15
Yamaha P125 PIANO at 11:06
Casio wins the Acoustic Piano sound, imo.

Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 12:17 AM

Posted By: Brad Saucier

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 12:25 AM

High resolution velocity is always enabled internally. The High Res ON/OFF function is for the USB MIDI output. Some software is not compatible with the high resolution standard and may cause some issues, so an OFF switch is needed for those cases.
Posted By: tfort

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 02:34 AM

MIDI 2.0 is right around the corner and should make high-res MIDI ubiquitous in newer gear. Iím very curious to see which existing boards will be updatable once the spec is finalized, presumably this summer. I wouldnít buy anything without a clear upgrade path.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 05:12 AM

Originally Posted By: Brad Saucier
High resolution velocity is always enabled internally. The High Res ON/OFF function is for the USB MIDI output. Some software is not compatible with the high resolution standard and may cause some issues, so an OFF switch is needed for those cases.


So, does the S series really have a 16,256 level velocity scale managed by the new key velocity software when playing the internal Grand Piano??? And all the other internal sounds get this high resolution too ?
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 05:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+


Jazz+
Thanks! That was funny, I asked for a comparison and there it was!

Thing is, he only took me half the way there-
because he said it should be considered Privia II, how he demonstrated how much less noisy the keybed was, and the way he played the 2 keyboards- it all seemed to be to the point that the S1000 has a better action and sound- at least that's how I interpreted it- but he never came out and said it.

I understand that it's all very individual what floats our boat, but conclusions need to be drawn, esp helpful for folks who won't have the chance to audition both boards. Of course it needs to be qualified, but he the reviewer needed to say something along the lines of, "For me, I felt I could better express myself, from being super soft to loud, it felt more in my control"- or something to that effect. I really have little idea how he experienced the difference of those two keybeds and sounds.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 09:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Randelph
he said it should be considered Privia II, how he demonstrated how much less noisy the keybed was, and the way he played the 2 keyboards- it all seemed to be to the point that the S1000 has a better action and sound- at least that's how I interpreted it- but he never came out and said it.

Marketing can do what it wants, but I wouldn't see a real logical rationale for "Privia II" nomenclature. For one thing, I think Casio views it more as a "sub-brand" than a model, so it would be like GM changing the name of Buick to Buick II. But regardless of that, it represents I think at least the fourth completely different Privia action, and I believe the fifth or sixth Privia piano sample set/sound engine, so not the "second generation" of anything.

The sound comparison was interesting. As he said, people won't necessarily agree about which one is better, but to me, yeah, at least in this comparison, the tone of the new one is decidedly better. Though unlike the PX-S1000, the PX-560 has quite a few variations of its piano sound, and if it were me, I'd go through the others and see if any of them may come closer to the sound of the new model. That is, if you prefer the PS-S1000 largely for its less brightness, there are numerous less bright piano options in the PX-560 that might make for a useful comparison as well. Maybe the models can sound more similar than those samples imply.

As for the noise comparison, also interesting, but I have been in stores and played one Casio next to another that supposedly had the same action, and the noise level varied, so I'll be curious to see whether people consistently see this improvement, or if it is something that can vary on a unit-by-unit basis. Though if Mike or some other Casio rep confirms that it is quieter by design (i.e. this is something the engineers said they were particularly looking to address in this design), that would lend this comparison more weight.

I was disappointed that, after extensive discussion of how the new model uses software to emulate more of a 3-sensor behavior, he did not demonstrate that aspect.

Sound we can hear, but like you, I was also disappointed that he didn't make any comparison whatsoever about how the two actions compared in feel, he only talked about how they compared in noise level and sensor design. So yeah, how they compare in feel would have been nice to hear about... if they differ in how heavy or light they feel, or in pushback, or in speed of return, or in front-to-rear consistency, or in dynamic response (i.e. how well it appears to track your intent in terms of velocity)... there are plenty of ways to talk about how actions can feel similar or different, and some can even be somewhat demonstrated visually.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 01:49 PM

Did he say there is a 16,256 levels of velocity applied to the Internal Piano?Is it true? I thought that was previously mentioned to be only for Midi Out?
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 01:53 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
[quote=Randelph]
Sound we can hear, but like you, I was also disappointed that he didn't make any comparison whatsoever about how the two actions compared in feel, he only talked about how they compared in noise level and sensor design.

So yeah, how they compare in feel would have been nice to hear about... if they differ in how heavy or light they feel, or in pushback, or in speed of return, or in front-to-rear consistency, or in dynamic response (i.e. how well it appears to track your intent in terms of velocity)... there are plenty of ways to talk about how actions can feel similar or different, and some can even be somewhat demonstrated visually.


I've often thought it'd be helpful if there was a page, like a wiki page related to this forum, where people could read up on HOW to discuss the feel of different actions (as desired of course). It comes up constantly, and your 1 paragraph summation would be an excellent start to giving language to what turns out to be many different variables that is often summed up as, "I liked it!". Not helpful!

In fact, I wish there was a way to have wiki and informational style pages available for forumites on various subjects, in particular for controller keyboards. It's kind of the wild west out there, and having an informational page where every controller keyboard is listed, and people on the forum can add their experience on various sub-subjects like the action, suitability for iOS, etc., would be incredibly helpful in wading thru what are now intangibles and lack of information.

Back to the subject at hand- I'm going to set up my Nord Stage 88 and play it for awhile, get used to weighted action again. Then when I try out the S1000/3000 again I might be better able to judge it on the spot.

Randy
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 02:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Did he say there is a 16,384 levels of velocity applied to the Internal Piano?Is it true? I thought that was previously mentioned to be only for Midi Out?

I'm pretty sure that all the Privias that have had high-res MIDI apply it to the internal piano sound. And I think that's been all models since the the PX-x50 series (including the PX-5S).
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 05:11 PM

Yes, Hi Res applies to the internal

As stated before , the Hi Res on/off affects what is sent out via MIDI externally.

Some programs can deal with Hi Res, some can't.

Hi Res works very well with Pianoteq, which can really tell when setting up velocity curves.
My PX5S can get extremely nuanced with VST's that handle HiRes
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 05:22 PM


: Mike Martin.
Is the PX-S3000's internal key sensor software/filter/sound engine combo capable of managing 16,256 levels of velocity for it's internal Piano Tone? What's the limitation? Is the PX-S3000 enabling a substantially wider, more detailed range of playing dynamics than on the PX-360 and PX-560 models ???

Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 06:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Seeking official confirmation-
Attn: Mike Martin. Is the PX-S3000's internal key sensor software/filter/sound engine combo capable of managing 16,384 levels of velocity for it's internal Piano Tone? What's the limitation? Is the PX-S3000 enabling a substantially wider, more detailed range of playing dynamics than on the PX-360 and PX-560 models ???

I'm not Mike and don't have more specific info, but just in general, velocity is a function of the time it takes the key to cross from point A (top sensor) to point B (bottom sensor). Standard MIDI can look at that amount of time and assign it a value of 0-127, hi-res MIDI can look at that amount of time and assign it a value in the greater range of 0-16,384. Your PX360 should already be doing this, as far as I know.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 07:16 PM


Go to 14:10 minutes for the High Res for the internal demo. If this is so, why is the first I have learned of ii?

Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+


Seeking official confirmation-
Attn: Mike Martin. Is the PX-S3000's internal key sensor software/filter/sound engine combo capable of managing 16,256 levels of velocity for it's internal Piano Tone? What's the limitation? Is the PX-S3000 enabling a substantially wider, more detailed range of playing dynamics than on the PX-360 and PX-560 models ???



The PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 are new instruments but the core technology for the way Casio handles samples and interpolation between them is similar. The limitation? Iím not sure what youíre asking. Is the dynamic range wider - maybe a little but the goal is to respond as accurate to the way an acoustic responds. So if you make the dynamic range too wide it wouldnít be accurate but our team is always evaluating and improving in this regard.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+

Go to 14:10 minutes for the High Res for the internal demo. If this is so, why is the first I have learned of it Casio? I don't think PX-360 or 560 already has it. Chuck turns it on and suddenly he can play substantially softer than before.

Casio?


Iím on airplane WiFi so YouTube is inaccessible. So I canít say exactly for certain what is happening in the video but I can guess....

As was correctly stated the high resolution MIDI on/off switch as found on all Casio products has no effect on the internal sound. Only what is transmitted via the MIDI output.

If Chuck was changing the velocity curve the video this is one area that is different than previous models. There are 5 total curves - I believe previous models only had 3. So switching to a harder curve would give the player substantially more control over playing softly.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 08:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+

Go to 14:10 minutes for the High Res for the internal demo. If this is so, why is the first I have learned of it Casio? I don't think PX-360 or 560 already has it. Chuck turns it on and suddenly he can play substantially softer than before.

The function he is hitting is labeled "Hi-Reso Velocity MIDI OUT enable/disable" and you have the same option on your PX-360. It's on the "MIDI" screen, page EN-55 of the manual. From the name, I am surprised it would affect the internal sound (and not only an external sound triggered over MIDI), I thought the function was always enabled internally, but if PMChuck says it's different to him, you should definitely give it a shot! I doubt it's different between the two models, they basically call it the same thing, a MIDI Out hi-res velocity toggle.

ETA: I see Mike confirmed it should always be on internally. But on the video, Chuck did hit the Eb key that corresponds to the Hi-Res MIDI setting. Weird. Maybe a self-fulfilling prophecy based on expectation, like a placebo effect? I don't know. But it can't hurt to try it and see,
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 08:59 PM

At 14:10 Piano Man Chuck says
Quote:
"Now one of the most interesting things I've found is High Resolution Midi; now you've heard me play this (plays a passage) I'm playing as soft as I can, now I'm gonna turn on High Resolution Midi.. hold the Function Button down and this key (plays same passage but it now ranges from much softer to loud) Now let me explain in regular MIDI every key is controlled with, when you press a key there's 128 different parameters to indicate where that key is. When you activate High Resolution Midi all of sudden that jumps to 16,384... so imagine the accuracy, that's why I'm able to play so much softer and everything in between. And at first I thought 128 is more than ample, 16,384, that's ridiculous. Well guess what it's not. It really works! It really works! And I'm so impressed with that."

Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/05/19 09:36 PM

This is good news for the guys who play solo - playing ppp, pp on digitals is always challenging. Having a triple pedal with a library that supports una corda or other soft pedal mechanism is also a nice feature.
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/06/19 01:46 AM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
So yeah, how they compare in feel would have been nice to hear about... if they differ in how heavy or light they feel, or in pushback, or in speed of return, or in front-to-rear consistency, or in dynamic response


I played it - it's quiet (unlike the new CDP-S100), it feels more substantial than PX-5S, no pushback, fast return, no wobbling, everything is good except front-to-rear consistency.
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/06/19 01:59 AM

If instead of obsessing with making the new Privias smaller/less deep (which has little or no real benefit) Casio made pivot a bit longer, they might have hit a home run with this action. To me it was very difficult to play towards the end of the black keys. Also why shiny plastic - I think Roland FA got a lot of criticism for their shiny surface, they even included matte overlays with the FA-07.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/06/19 09:23 AM

Originally Posted By: gg22
I played it - it's quiet (unlike the new CDP-S100)

That gets back to some of my earlier posts. If the CDP-S100 and PX-S1000 actually have mechanically different actions then one could inherently be quieter than the other. But if the actions are mechanically the same (with the differences being the "smart" digital enhancements on the PX), then the power-off noise level should be the same, and then we could be talking about noise variation, not between different models, but rather a unit-to-unit variability, which is something I've seen before. A third possibility is that the actions are mechanically the same but some other aspect of construction is contributing to a different noise level between the CDP and the PX. But I think we need more info, or more people's experiences, before drawing conclusions about either model definitively being inherently quieter than the other.
Posted By: mcpepe

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/06/19 03:33 PM

Does the new pedal unit SP34 support half pedaling?
Or are the 3 pedals only on/off switches?
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/06/19 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: mcpepe
Does the new pedal unit SP34 support half pedaling?
Or are the 3 pedals only on/off switches?

Yes, the middle and left are on/off, the right is capable of half pedaling.

By the time you get the must-have accessories like the special made bag ($129) and the SP34 pedal unit ($99), the real base price for many of us for the S3000 is $1,027.
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/06/19 05:38 PM

Regarding the Roland FP-30 action versus the Casio PX 1000....

I am not exactly in love with the FP-30 action, but I assumed that I might be able to get used to it, given that I like the AP sample so much. The FP 30 has been out for several yars... I wasn't aware of it.

I demoed the Fp-30 versus The Roland Rd ( ?) 2000 piano sample and the FP-30 sounded reasonably similar. Once again, not given a heck of a lot of time.

But there is nothing much useful to me on the FP- 30 except the AP sample. They really save their good Rhodes sample for more expensive instruments, don't they?

The Casio PX 1000 on the other hand.... I wasn't wild about the " textured" keys or what ever they are. Once again I could get used to them I suppose.

The only reason I mention the FP-30 is because of the competitive price. Yamaha seems to be more of the same with the P 125. Not much new going on there...slightly better Rhodes maybe?

If there are adjustments to the sound of the PX 1000, I'd like to hear about it. There seems to be a similarity ( to me) to previous Casios.... not the radical shift I was hoping for perhaps.

Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/06/19 09:12 PM

For me it will probably depend on which action is more accommodating. And that I wont know until they are side by side in my room. Late April?

Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/06/19 09:45 PM


Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/08/19 02:23 PM

Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/08/19 02:49 PM

Originally Posted By: gg22
If instead of obsessing with making the new Privias smaller/less deep (which has little or no real benefit)

It's hard to be sure of what all the benefits may be. If it's more appealing on the showroom floor, so more people buy it over competing models, then to Casio, that's a pretty big benefit. Or if it's cheaper to manufacture (which also benefits the consumer if it allows Casio to offer lower priced models with better sounds/features than before). IOW, the potential benefits of a new action aren't strictly limited to the feel of the action.

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
For me it will probably depend on which action is more accommodating.
I'll be curious to see how you end up comparing the two, including the speakers which I know you like in your PX360.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/08/19 06:05 PM

He made a mistake. That parameter is only about the MIDI output, not the connection to the internal sound engine.

Jerry


Originally Posted By: Jazz+
At 14:10 Piano Man Chuck says
Quote:
"Now one of the most interesting things I've found is High Resolution Midi; now you've heard me play this (plays a passage) I'm playing as soft as I can, now I'm gonna turn on High Resolution Midi.. hold the Function Button down and this key (plays same passage but it now ranges from much softer to loud) Now let me explain in regular MIDI every key is controlled with, when you press a key there's 128 different parameters to indicate where that key is. When you activate High Resolution Midi all of sudden that jumps to 16,384... so imagine the accuracy, that's why I'm able to play so much softer and everything in between. And at first I thought 128 is more than ample, 16,384, that's ridiculous. Well guess what it's not. It really works! It really works! And I'm so impressed with that."

Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/08/19 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: gg22
If instead of obsessing with making the new Privias smaller/less deep (which has little or no real benefit)

It's hard to be sure of what all the benefits may be. If it's more appealing on the showroom floor, so more people buy it over competing models, then to Casio, that's a pretty big benefit. Or if it's cheaper to manufacture (which also benefits the consumer if it allows Casio to offer lower priced models with better sounds/features than before). IOW, the potential benefits of a new action aren't strictly limited to the feel of the action.


Or if it creates less of a surface for idiots to try to put drinks on. (Note: if you think this is a joke or a trivial concern, then you have clearly not done some of the types of gigs that many of us have.)
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/08/19 06:25 PM

It is easier to wrap your arm around when you're moving it.
It has a much lower profile when sitting on a table or desk to the keys are not at an awkward height. The difference in size is rather compelling.

Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/08/19 06:55 PM

Those pics are to scale?? Wow. That's pretty dramatic.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 04/08/19 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Iíll be releasing a video this week on the PX-S3000 which should clarify everything and answer all your questions. Stay tuned just a few more days.

Have I missed this?
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/08/19 08:31 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Those pics are to scale?? Wow. That's pretty dramatic.


Yes. I took the photo thatís the two products side by side. The backgrounds trimmed out in photoshop.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/08/19 08:33 PM

An extra benefit that Casio hired a photographer!
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/09/19 04:31 PM

I think the Casio Rhodes EP at 8:15 sounds real nice. I think the Casio "Piano" and the "Rhodes" samples both sound much better than the Yamaha P125 versions demoed at 11:10.

Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/09/19 05:20 PM

Next week get all your questions answered.

Casio Privia PX-S3000 Webinar
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/10/19 04:08 PM

Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/10/19 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Next week get all your questions answered.


42.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/10/19 04:40 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Next week get all your questions answered.


42.


Scott, I'm pretty sure he meant all your questions about the PX-S3000, not your question about the meaning of life.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/10/19 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+

Great demo, I liked that he played short and sweet snippets to show off the sounds, and used some of the features of the keyboard like kicking in rythyms and using knobs. Good playing as well, just wish there was 3x the content, going thru more sounds.

Have to say, was impressed by all the sounds demo'd. Now comes the hard part- getting a good enough picture of the sounds onboard so as to help with making a buying decision. Myself, I don't care that much about how much slimmer the new models are, I want MIDI jacks and a few other features found on the PX-360 and PX-560, and buying used I'd probably pay not much more than a new S3000.

I suppose the biggest question is how much better the piano sample and action are, something I have a hard time evaluating being that I'm used to semi-weighted action now. The S1000 I tried at GC felt heavy, somewhat difficult to play, but have been acclimating myself to weighted action this past week with my NS Classic 88.
Posted By: JohnG11

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/11/19 06:28 AM

Is it just me being stupid, or has the section in PianoManChuck's YouTube post about Hi Res MIDI velocity been erased from the video?
It certainly doesn't seem to be at 14:10 any more.

Later today, if I have time, I plan to attach my laptop to my PX560, run up MIDI-Ox and see just what is transmitted when hi-res is set.

I expect to see two messages, rather than one.
The first, the MIDI CC, "BnH 58H vvH" (High Resolution Velocity Prefix), see page 13, section 7.20 of the PX560 MIDI Implementation manual,
The second, the MIDI Note On message, "9nH kkH vvH", with the note number (kkH) and the 'normal' 7 bit velocity MSB (vvH).

I just wonder whether, like most pitch bend wheel implementations, it will just use three or four extra bits of the LSB, rather than all seven bits.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/11/19 11:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Randelph

I suppose the biggest question is how much better the piano sample and action are, something I have a hard time evaluating being that I'm used to semi-weighted action now. The S1000 I tried at GC felt heavy, somewhat difficult to play, but have been acclimating myself to weighted action this past week with my NS Classic 88.


If all you have really played is semi-weighted, moving to an 88 note digital piano with weighted action will feel harder and "slower" at first.
Posted By: Jaspla

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/11/19 10:36 PM

Tried a PX-S1000 at a GC outlet today. Did not have a lot of time to evaluate due to an appointment, but my focus was solely on the keybed action and the default Acoustic Grand.

Keybed. The weighted action has similarities to the previous PRIVIA line (regarding key weight), with improvements as follows: Key travel appears to be a little less. The keys are 'tighter', don't seem to have as much 'float' as the previous models. With unit turned off, they are much quieter. These contributing to the keybed, although appearing to have similar cycle weight to the former PRIVIAs, likely being a little 'faster', smoother - All in all a nice feeling for weighted Acoustic piano performance. There was a used PX-350 sitting next to the S1000 that I used for an immediate reference, (however, I suspect the key action on this unit might have been a little looser than normal - possibly associated with use).

Default Acoustic Grand. Using only the built in speakers, this is certainly an impressive, and quite rich acoustic grand sound. With deep resonance on the lower end, their internal speakers also providing clear and crisp highs. The keyboard was a couple of inches from a wall, which certainly assists in complementing the produced sound.
You'll see from some of my comments below that if to me it doesn't sound like a grand and play like a grand Ė I would likely move on.

My background. I have played and gigged many years, currently use a Privia PX-5s, before that a PX-350. My 'other keyboard' is a KAWAI RX-5 Artist grade Grand. I typically do most of my practicing and prep on the PX5s.

My performance interest is solo, duo work, mostly using Acoustic, Rhodes and Bass patches (+ occasionally other layering) Ė hence my focus on Acoustic and Rhodes-like sounds. Over the years I have owned various weighted keys, and let go of: Fender Suitcase, Fender Stage 73, Wurlitzer EP 200, Yamaha CP-300, Roland RD-800, Roland FP4, Korg SV-1 Ė sure I've missed some.
Now using the PX-5s with it's extensive array of stock or available custom tones and stage settings

I only briefly tried the S1000 default EP. Will reserve comment on that since I did not have time to download the manual and try to dig out other Acoustics or EPs Ė intend to do so on an S3000 when available.

I certainly see a possibility of picking up one of these compact, more portable S1000/S3000's for cafe work where I may only need to bring a small KC-110 - to only gently supplement the existing keyboard speakers in the cafe space if needed. The S1000 would certainly be a good choice for an individual wanting a good keyboard with excellent representation of Grand action and sound. I do anticipate attending CASIO's upcoming crowdcast event on the S3000 so I can better evaluate one of those when available to played.
Posted By: JohnG11

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 11:41 AM

As posted above message #2984617, I duly hooked up the PX560 to the laptop via USB, and started MIDI-ox.

As suspected, each time I pressed a key, MIDI-ox displayed two messages, first a High resolution Velocity Prefix message (CC#58) followed by the appropriate Note On message.

The same thing happened on key release, CC#58 followed by Note Off.

So, two MIDI messages per Note On, Note Off.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 12:55 PM

Originally Posted By: JohnG11

So, two MIDI messages per Note On, Note Off.


And that is exactly why CASIO gives you the option to turn it off.
Some software still can't deal with the Hi-Res (2 messages for on and 2 for off).

Thanks for verifying that for others to see!
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 01:31 PM

A PX-S3000 was shipped to me yesterday from adam at kraft. Expecting to have it on 4/16 !
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 01:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
My PX-S3000 shipped to me yesterday from adam at kraft.

Excellent!

As you know, many of us are wondering if there's a significant enough change in the keybed to warrant getting a S3000, the PX-560/360 have features the S3000 lack, but having the best key action for under $1,000 is compelling if its a big difference. Looking forward to your comparison reviews, esp for the keybed.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 05:03 PM

Yeah tough call. The 560 is a better pick for a few reasons if the price jump isnít a deal breaker. More inclined to wait and see what the PX-ď6SĒ and ď570Ē look like post S series.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Randelph
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
My PX-S3000 shipped to me yesterday from adam at kraft.

Looking forward to your comparison reviews


As am I.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 05:49 PM

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Yeah tough call. The 560 is a better pick for a few reasons if the price jump isnít a deal breaker. More inclined to wait and see what the PX-ď6SĒ and ď570Ē look like post S series.

Yeah, these are just the first boards with this new action. Unfortunately for me I need a new board, so the NC 2x, the X3000 / PX 360/560 or Korg PA700 are my top choices.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Randelph
Unfortunately for me I need a new board, so the NC 2x, the X3000 / PX 360/560 or Korg PA700 are my top choices.

I'm surprised to see the Korg in there with all those 88 key options. If 61 keys is enough, you've also got choices like Yamaha MODX, Casio MZ-X, some other Korgs and Rolands... What's the key criteria?
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 08:21 PM

Kurzweil SP6 as well I suppose.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 08:31 PM

Oh, I realized what they all have in common... built-in speakers! So that would rule out most of the other boards I mentioned (and the SP6). Casio MZ-X could still be a possibility. And if volume of the built-in speakers matters, it would probably beat them all except the PA700. I'll also mention my "dark horse" candidate, Kurzweil KA90, whose sounds are particularly unimpressive, but functions nicely for playing iPad sounds through its substantial speakers. Might be the best choice if you want an 88 with above average volume.
Posted By: 16251

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 10:47 PM

I think this is new and I like the playing and sound. deadhorse

The sound seems to be only coming from the internal speakers.

Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 10:55 PM

I like the white. And considering the gloss finish, maybe less likely to show dust or fingerprints?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/12/19 10:58 PM

I think we are hearing just the internal speakers in that Christian Rossetti video. It really sounds like a top notch piano. Add a small sidekick amp for a little boost and it's good to gig.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/13/19 01:11 AM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Randelph
Unfortunately for me I need a new board, so the NC 2x, the X3000 / PX 360/560 or Korg PA700 are my top choices.

I'm surprised to see the Korg in there with all those 88 key options. If 61 keys is enough, you've also got choices like Yamaha MODX, Casio MZ-X, some other Korgs and Rolands... What's the key criteria?


Yeah, its got to have speakers. The Kurzweil KA90- 60 watts of power with 4 speakers!!! If thats RMS watts, and they designed it well, that would be a very very capable sound system, like isn't the Yamaha CP300 60 watts as well? But instead of 27 pounds its over 60, right? And yeah, supplementing it with iPad sounds would make it a complete package.

At the moment I'm leaning towards the NC 2x. Just got back from jamming, and besides my hands being super stiff, I don't have the kind of hand strength that i used to have, so my NS Classic 88 was fun but a bit challenging to play. Which makes me think, if I can get 88 notes, a responsive action and aftertouch, I'm probably better off with semi-weighted.
Posted By: JohnG11

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/13/19 07:01 AM

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
Originally Posted By: JohnG11

So, two MIDI messages per Note On, Note Off.


And that is exactly why CASIO gives you the option to turn it off.
Some software still can't deal with the Hi-Res (2 messages for on and 2 for off).

Thanks for verifying that for others to see!


As far as I'm aware the MIDI spec implies that if software can't handle a particular MIDI message then it should just ignore it?

The other implication of including another MIDI CC before the Note On or Off, is that those messages will be delayed by at least one millisecond.
So a good reason to switch it off if software is not using it.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/13/19 10:14 AM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
I like the white. And considering the gloss finish, maybe less likely to show dust or fingerprints?

I kinda do as well. Interestingly, I showed my wife the white P-515 with the home bundle (still in the running with me) and she gave it thumbs down for appearance.

Itís not as if sheíd ever let me put it in the living room or anything, lol.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/13/19 06:19 PM

Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/13/19 11:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+


Best demo ever! I'm sold.
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/15/19 03:07 PM

Is everyone ok? It's been over 12 hours since we've had a video or speculation about the intricacies of the S3000.

deadhorse
wave
cheers
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/15/19 04:24 PM

roll
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/17/19 09:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Next week get all your questions answered.

Casio Privia PX-S3000 Webinar


I thought Mike Martin did a great job. Anyone else watch?
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/17/19 09:17 PM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Next week get all your questions answered.

Casio Privia PX-S3000 Webinar


I thought Mike Martin did a great job. Anyone else watch?


Is there another way to access this? I used Facebook and it never let me into the video.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/17/19 09:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Randelph

Is there another way to access this?


just checked and this URL is still working. Don't know for how long, however. It's a replay, of course.

https://www.crowdcast.io/e/px-s3000/1
Posted By: 16251

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/17/19 09:56 PM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Next week get all your questions answered.

Casio Privia PX-S3000 Webinar


I thought Mike Martin did a great job. Anyone else watch?
I liked what I heard and will be purchasing soon.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/17/19 10:03 PM

Originally Posted By: 16251
I liked what I heard and will be purchasing soon.


As will I. Not sure about how soon, but it's on the short list.
Posted By: Tom Williams

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 02:23 AM

Originally Posted By: 16251
I liked what I heard and will be purchasing soon.
Based on the reports on this forum, I advised a band director friend of mine who was in the market (and who had admired my PX-5S) to get the PX-S1000. He took the plunge, received it last Friday, and thanked me profusely on Monday.

He also brought it to work, and I got to play on it. Like everyone's been saying: for its size and weight, it's arguably the best feeling and best sounding self-contained piano and speaker arrangement you can get. Bravo!
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 03:33 AM

Just so folks know- when you click on the Casio Previa PX-S3000 Webinar link, it takes you to a place where you've got to register your name, email address, city.

I don't know why Mike Martin didn't talk about this. I'm automatically suspicious of anybody requiring my personal info, and there are numerous links from folks on this site that i never get to see because they require a registration.

This is a bit different. When it finally asked its last question, I saw that I was thus admitted to a discussion that was live, and had I watched it at the time of broadcast, I would have been able to participate with questions that Mike would answer on video.

Just saying- I would have appreciated a heads up that there was registration involved towards the purpose of participating, which is totally fine, just didn't know what the frell was going on. And it didn't help that there was a message onscreen that said Wait for Broadcast, when in fact the record button on the video was pressed a minute or two too soon, so just fast forward a little.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 10:46 AM

so you are saying the link I posted for you worked, yes? idk
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 10:49 AM

hey Jazz+, there are those of us who are legitimately waiting for you to post a review. Please ignore those who felt otherwise.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 12:22 PM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
so you are saying the link I posted for you worked, yes? idk


Yes, thanks, I trust this forum so I followed the link
Posted By: mcpepe

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 02:48 PM

I am also waiting for your review Jazz+ smile
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 03:24 PM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
hey Jazz+, there are those of us who are legitimately waiting for you to post a review. Please ignore those who felt otherwise.


I concur. i do want to see the review. I think some of us got "snarky" over yet a third thread started by him about the 3000 smile
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 03:25 PM

That was a great presentation by Mike. I can't wait to get my grubby mitts on the PX-S3000. I have already tried and have been impressed by the PX-S1000 and I can see how much better the S3000 will be.
Posted By: guzman

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 05:56 PM

I have a capabilities question that Iím hoping can get answered by Mike.

When doing a split w/left hand bass, is it easy to change sounds on the upper portion (say, changing from acoustic piano to a Rhodes) without changing the bass patch? Or, is it easy to simply store separate presets with the same LH bass patch and separate RH patches and change on the fly without the volume levels changing?

Finally, if splitting bass for LH and piano for RH, is it easy or even possible to change the volume of either split on the fly? For instance, if I need to turn up the volume on the RH patch a bit during a solo (leaving the LH bass patch volume the same volume), then back down after the solo... Is this doable and easy?

Things get hairy during a performance, and it would need to be quick and easy.

Thanks.
Posted By: timwat

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 06:15 PM

I'm not Mike but can take a stab at the question.

Yes, it's pretty easy to change sounds in an existing split / layer. And yes, the S3000 has several banks for registrations, each bank gives you four registrations at your fingertips. So you can edit and tweak and then save as a registration.

Finally, the S3000 has two programmable knobs on the LH cheek that the S1000 doesn't have. You could program either of them to change layer volume of one of the layers.

Full disclosure, I haven't touched an S3000 yet but have just attended the webcast, but have played with the S1000.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: guzman

When doing a split w/left hand bass, is it easy to change sounds on the upper portion (say, changing from acoustic piano to a Rhodes) without changing the bass patch? Or, is it easy to simply store separate presets with the same LH bass patch and separate RH patches and change on the fly without the volume levels changing?


Two registrations would be the easiest solution - one button press. You could also set up a layer and use the knobs for balance. Turn the knob all the way left and you have only piano - turn the knob right and you have only electric piano.

Originally Posted By: guzman

Finally, if splitting bass for LH and piano for RH, is it easy or even possible to change the volume of either split on the fly? For instance, if I need to turn up the volume on the RH patch a bit during a solo (leaving the LH bass patch volume the same volume), then back down after the solo... Is this doable and easy?


Yes this can be done as well. Set the Upper1 and Lower1 sound at slightly lower volume. Then use the knob to increase the level of Upper1 during a performance. You could also use a an expression pedal for Upper1 and not change the bass.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: timwat
Finally, the S3000 has two programmable knobs on the LH cheek that the S1000 doesn't have. You could program either of them to change layer volume of one of the layers.


To clarify there are 14 choices of what knobs 1&2 actually do. They're not fully programmable but you can choose from a list of these 14 combinations like Filter/resonance or Attack/release. In his particular questions there are controls to take care of what he needs.
Posted By: rickzjamm

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 07:17 PM

How are the other sounds other than the AP & EP? I know the PX-5S (used to own the vPX but the 3000 intrigues & tempts me) had really good meat & tater sounds that complimented the main sounds nicely.
Posted By: drawback

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 08:21 PM

Mike, I had asked earlier regarding splits: is the sustain pedal function assignable for either/both sides of a split?

Sorry if this has been answered and I missed it.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 09:41 PM

Yes, me too, looking forward to the review by Jazz+ esp since he also has the PX-360, so can do a side by side comparison of the action and compare speakers
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 10:42 PM

Originally Posted By: rickzjamm
How are the other sounds other than the AP & EP? I know the PX-5S (used to own the vPX but the 3000 intrigues & tempts me) had really good meat & tater sounds that complimented the main sounds nicely.
It has all the same 700 sounds the CDP-S350 and the CT-X series do, including the SFX Set, which is a total blast.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 11:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
Originally Posted By: rickzjamm
How are the other sounds other than the AP & EP? I know the PX-5S (used to own the vPX but the 3000 intrigues & tempts me) had really good meat & tater sounds that complimented the main sounds nicely.
It has all the same 700 sounds the CDP-S350 and the CT-X series do, including the SFX Set, which is a total blast.

As I posted earlier (and as subsequently confirmed by Rich Formidoni), "not *all* of the CT-X5000 sounds can be in the PX-S3000, because the former has 800 sounds and the latter has 700 sounds." At the time, Rich didn't know what the subset consisted of, but at this point, you could download the data lists and compare.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/18/19 11:57 PM

Originally Posted By: drawback
Mike, I had asked earlier regarding splits: is the sustain pedal function assignable for either/both sides of a split?

Sorry if this has been answered and I missed it.


Yes
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 12:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Originally Posted By: drawback
Mike, I had asked earlier regarding splits: is the sustain pedal function assignable for either/both sides of a split?

Sorry if this has been answered and I missed it.


Yes


And the sostenuto pedal can do the same? (SP34 3 pedal)
Posted By: asedley

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 04:35 PM

I just got my PX-S3000, and have a question.

When using Split, can I control DSP for the Lower part? I want a Clavi sound in Lower with LFO Wah, but I don't see in the manual how to adjust DSP for the Lower part. Thanks!
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 04:58 PM

Review PX-S3000

It's a total upgrade. The best playing action and sounding board I've ever owned other than my Mason & Hamlin acoustic piano.

Key Action: superb
Dynamic Response: control over pp-ff excellent

Grand Piano: Impressive, with good sustain, no exaggerated attack or plunkiness, has full bodied notes, the surround sound makes it realistic sounding.

Clean Vintage Tone Rhodes: EP1 is authentic BUT first you must Turn OFF Phaser and Tremolo for a clean tone, then it's fine for soloing. I assigned Control Knob 1 to Chorus and Control Knob 2 to Reverb.

Vibraphone 1: excellent
Acoustic Bass: excellent

Editing interface takes getting used to...

It sounds great for gigs when I boost the volume with my customized Fender Rumble 40 Bass amp. There's no harshness.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 04:58 PM

Originally Posted By: asedley
I just got my PX-S3000, and have a question.

When using Split, can I control DSP for the Lower part? I want a Clavi sound in Lower with LFO Wah, but I don't see in the manual how to adjust DSP for the Lower part. Thanks!


No, DSP is only editable for the Upper1 part.
Posted By: tfort

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 05:30 PM

Hey Mike-

MIDI 2.0 is nearly out and I expect it to be on most boards next year. Will the S-1000 S-3000 support MIDI 2.0, either by being ready for it now or by having their firmware upgraded?

Will the PX-5S replacement possibly coming out next year be the same regarding MIDI 2.0 as the S-1000 and S-3000?

Thanks.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 05:32 PM

thanks Jazz+. I'm probably going to have to wait until Memorial Day for mine, but I know it will be well worth the wait. cool
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 07:29 PM

Jazz +

What is your playback source?

I will go back and have a listen to the PXS 1000 that is here in my area. Meanwhile, I am demo -ing a Roland FP-30 that I have been talking about as being part of the 1000's " competition " , along with the Yamaha P-125.

Dynamic Range has never been the big issue for me. The thing that I listen for is consistency from note to note, and as I have mentioned, too much initial attack ( or plunkiness) that is not characteristic of a good acoustic piano.

I don't think that digitals will ever be totally true representations of acoustic instruments. What I don't want are the " deal breaker" issues in the tone. And that might be different for everyone.

In the Roland FP-30 I don't hear a lot of deal breakers in the sound. I A/B ed it with the Roland RD 2000 and I was surprised how much I liked the FP-30.

The FP-30 has only three levels of brightness, but what is nice is that when you back off the brightness level from default, the FP-30 still sounds good. This setting works best for headphones, and the default setting is best for speakers.

I should probably start a FP-30 thread. I am surprised I wasn't aware of it because sound wise it is one of the best representations of the Roland Super Natural sample that I have heard ( my opinion) .

I would love to check out the PXS 3000, but admittedly the PXS 1000 did not leave me wanting to take it home.

So I guess the main question would be- does the PXS 3000 have a better overall acoustic piano sample than the 1000?
Posted By: asedley

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 07:31 PM

Thanks for your quick answer, Mike!

The keyboard is great so far - really appreciating the key action and quality of the piano and other sounds.
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 07:33 PM

Jazz+,

1. Thanks!

2. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Wurli(s).

3. Congrats and enjoy!
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 07:36 PM

Oh by the way... I like the Wurlie on the FP-30. The tremolo is a bit slow, but the tone is not bad. Not quite Nord but usable.

I did not care for the Rhodes on it, but that is par for the course among Casio/ Yamaha and Roland in this entry level ( roughly $600 ) price range.
Posted By: Manhunter

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 07:38 PM

Thanks Mike Martin and Jazz+.

I'm liking the idea of a Px S3000 as a replacement for my aging Yamaha P120. Looks like they're due to arrive in the UK in the first week of May so I'll have to wait a bit before purchase.

A shop in the north is offering them at £636 which is 20% off the price that other retailers are offering - £795. I think that this may be a bit too good to be true!! Might pre-order from one of the shops nearer me.

I like the backpack option for the gig bag but being just over 6ft wonder if there would be a problem going through doorways or venues with low ceilings!!

Quite exciting - must be 15 years or so since I last purchased a keyboard!!!

Dave
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 08:04 PM

I can't really judge the Wurly since I haven't played one since I sold my 140B 30 years ago. I know the Casio reps play a lot of Wurly in the demos, so it should be good.

The Grand Piano in the S3000 and S1000 are on par with the Roland FP series piano sound. I was thinking to myself this morning how similar they sound, although I sold my FP4 and FP50 over two years ago. I would give the edge to the Casio though for expression and realism. My S3000 Grand Piano is impressive, with good sustain, no exaggerated attack or plunkiness, has full bodied notes,the surround sound makes it real sounding for the player.





Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/19/19 10:10 PM

Originally Posted By: LX88
Jazz +

What is your playback source?

I will go back and have a listen to the PXS 1000 that is here in my area. Meanwhile, I am demo -ing a Roland FP-30 that I have been talking about as being part of the 1000's " competition " , along with the Yamaha P-125.

Dynamic Range has never been the big issue for me. The thing that I listen for is consistency from note to note, and as I have mentioned, too much initial attack ( or plunkiness) that is not characteristic of a good acoustic piano.

I don't think that digitals will ever be totally true representations of acoustic instruments. What I don't want are the " deal breaker" issues in the tone. And that might be different for everyone.

In the Roland FP-30 I don't hear a lot of deal breakers in the sound. I A/B ed it with the Roland RD 2000 and I was surprised how much I liked the FP-30.

The FP-30 has only three levels of brightness, but what is nice is that when you back off the brightness level from default, the FP-30 still sounds good. This setting works best for headphones, and the default setting is best for speakers.

I should probably start a FP-30 thread. I am surprised I wasn't aware of it because sound wise it is one of the best representations of the Roland Super Natural sample that I have heard ( my opinion) .

I would love to check out the PXS 3000, but admittedly the PXS 1000 did not leave me wanting to take it home.

So I guess the main question would be- does the PXS 3000 have a better overall acoustic piano sample than the 1000?


Hmmmm.... it's really true, everyone hears differently. I tried an FP30 out at GC. While listening thru the onboard speakers I played the Grand Piano. To my ears it had a great deal of plunkiness, a metallic stridency that I did not enjoy. I've heard similar, esp with some Yamaha piano sounds, and never liked it
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/20/19 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: LX88
I like the Wurlie on the FP-30...I did not care for the Rhodes on it, but that is par for the course among Casio/ Yamaha and Roland in this entry level ( roughly $600 ) price range.

Have you ever checked out Kawai ES110?
Posted By: rickzjamm

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/20/19 02:48 PM

Been meaning to retire my heavy RD-800 with a lighter replacement, this looks like it may be the one.
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/20/19 06:37 PM

I do not think that the Roland FP 30 sounds its best through internal speakers. At all.

I am going to take another listen to that local PXS 1000 in the next couple days. Once again the question remains.... Is the PXS 3000 the same piano sample as the 1000?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/20/19 06:47 PM

Same piano sample, yes.
Posted By: LX88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/20/19 06:51 PM

Then it comes down to different taste. Apparently my ear is more attuned to the Roland approach.

I do like the new Yamaha higher end stuff but have been reluctant to plunk down $1500 ( P515) $ 1900 ( MODX 88 ) or $ 2500 ( CP88).

These lightweight budget priced boards have been getting very good. I took another look at the Yamaha P125 the other night too. It was priced at $499, and gave the Roland and Casio 1000 some competition to be considered. Apparently it has some kind of CFX sample.

Of course I will be checking out the PXS 3000 if I ever see one. In some cases Casio boards are not carried by Guitar Center, just about the only game in town for me.




Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/20/19 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: LX88
Of course I will be checking out the PXS 3000 if I ever see one. In some cases Casio boards are not carried by Guitar Center, just about the only game in town for me.
There will be some GCs that carry the PX-S3000, but not as many as carry the PX-S1000. There are eight GCs in Houston and surrounding suburbs, and it's the biggest, oldest location that's expected to get the PX-S3000. If any others do, it'd be a miracle. wink

Also, since you mentioned it, all GCs should have the two new CDP models, the CDP-S100 and CDP-S350 FWIW. Most should have the PX-S1000 as well.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/20/19 08:01 PM

Iíll be satisfied to lay my hands on the 1000 and if the action agrees with me (Iím more than happy with the samples) Iíll immediately order the 3000, which I assume is identical. Neither nearby Sam Ash or GC have either, last time I looked. Thereís just no excuse for that, itís not a big layout for these big chains to have in stock and available. There should be one in every store, these were best in show and the New. Big. Deal.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/20/19 09:30 PM

I found I can load the Piano songs via the MIDI menu in Chordona.
now I am transferring my classical favorites into the users song library (max 10 songs).

Apparently there are no on-board classical pieces built in to the S3000. Which I like to have on hand at the touch of a button at weddings. MY PX-360 and CTX-700 have many built in classical songs ready to play. Hmmm
Posted By: rickzjamm

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 08:30 AM

Built in classical pieces? I believe the "Chordana..." app has you you covered. ;-)
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 08:34 AM

I assume he meant internally - without the iPad.
Posted By: Manhunter

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 11:08 AM

The manual seems to suggest that you can play midi files from a usb stick - 1-10 user songs; 11-15 midi recorder songs & 16-999 usb memory songs.

Also, it seems that audio wav files can be imported into the piano and played back, 1-99 wav files. Need to change the name of the file in a computer to TAKEXX.WAV where XX=01-99 then load the files in via usb stick. The instructions refer to wav files recorded on the piano but I'm assuming a wav file is a wav file.

Lots of assuming on my part but worth a try!!

Dave
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 01:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I found I can load the Piano songs via the MIDI menu in Chordona.
now I am transferring my classical favorites into the users song library (max 10 songs).

Apparently there are no on-board classical pieces built in to the S3000. Which I like to have on hand at the touch of a button at weddings. MY PX-360 and CTX-700 have many built in classical songs ready to play. Hmmm


Jazz+, one more time. Does the updated Casio action reduce or eliminate wobble and action noise?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 02:12 PM

It substantially reduces noise, wobble and bounce . It is not a light action. Itís quite heavy at the fall-board. After playing organ I am going to have to build up to the strength required. I want my associates to play it a lot for me so it loosens up , actions are typically stiff when new.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 02:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
It substantially reduces noise, wobble and bounce . It is not a light action. Itís quite heavy at the fall-board. After playing organ I am going to have to build up to the strength required. I want my associates to play it a lot for me so it loosens up , actions are typically stiff when new.


"it's not a right action... it's quite heavy at the fall-board" - different in this respect from your PX-360?
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 02:49 PM

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
It substantially reduces noise, wobble and bounce . It is not a light action. Itís quite heavy at the fall-board. After playing organ I am going to have to build up to the strength required. I want my associates to play it a lot for me so it loosens up , actions are typically stiff when new.


"it's not a right action... it's quite heavy at the fall-board" - different in this respect from your PX-360?


Yes please! Comparisons to the PX-360/560 are inevitable- the S3000 has incredible bang-for-buck, but is missing some key features.

Of most interest: the action of course, the amount of effort needed is a big deal for some of us; but also the speakers. Improvements of the sounds would be a bonus.
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 05:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Iíll be satisfied to lay my hands on the 1000 and if the action agrees with me (Iím more than happy with the samples) Iíll immediately order the 3000, which I assume is identical. Neither nearby Sam Ash or GC have either, last time I looked. Thereís just no excuse for that, itís not a big layout for these big chains to have in stock and available. There should be one in every store, these were best in show and the New. Big. Deal.


I have the same frustration in my area- they refuse to either carry or have them on display. It's like they don't care about selling keyboards.

I see you are on Long Island- I was in NYC a week and a half ago and they had the 1000 at both Sam Ash and Guitar Center (yet had them up high and with no pedal connected!) so I couldn't give a 100% review
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 06:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I think the Casio Rhodes EP at 8:15 sounds real nice. I think the Casio "Piano" and the "Rhodes" samples both sound much better than the Yamaha P125 versions demoed at 11:10.



As I have the P125 (but tried the Casio out briefly) - i found that I liked the volume I was getting in the C1-G2 range better on the Yamaha.

My P125 replaced my PX130 for the function of playing out. Becuase it is not my home piano I am fine with GHS as a trade off of having portability.
I do like the P125 sounds and samples.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 07:41 PM

Ah, GHS.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 08:31 PM

Originally Posted By: LarsHarner
Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Iíll be satisfied to lay my hands on the 1000 and if the action agrees with me (Iím more than happy with the samples) Iíll immediately order the 3000, which I assume is identical. Neither nearby Sam Ash or GC have either, last time I looked. Thereís just no excuse for that, itís not a big layout for these big chains to have in stock and available. There should be one in every store, these were best in show and the New. Big. Deal.


I have the same frustration in my area- they refuse to either carry or have them on display. It's like they don't care about selling keyboards.

I see you are on Long Island- I was in NYC a week and a half ago and they had the 1000 at both Sam Ash and Guitar Center (yet had them up high and with no pedal connected!) so I couldn't give a 100% review

Youíd be surprised how rarely I get into the city. We have plans for late next month.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 09:40 PM

GC sells them online w/ free shipping. you can return it at any GC store if you donít like it.
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/21/19 10:10 PM

Originally Posted By: LarsHarner
Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Iíll be satisfied to lay my hands on the 1000 and if the action agrees with me (Iím more than happy with the samples) Iíll immediately order the 3000, which I assume is identical. Neither nearby Sam Ash or GC have either, last time I looked. Thereís just no excuse for that, itís not a big layout for these big chains to have in stock and available. There should be one in every store, these were best in show and the New. Big. Deal.


I have the same frustration in my area- they refuse to either carry or have them on display. It's like they don't care about selling keyboards.
Again, I can't imagine the store not getting it out for you if you want to try it. But if they don't and they have it, I can't imagine you ever stepping in the store again. thu

If it were me, I'd ask the manager if the sales associates aren't helpful.

That being said, if you're not planning on buying there, then I wouldn't bother to ask. And it might be a hard ask if you're saying you want to buy the 3000 and test it via the 1000.
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/22/19 12:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Ah, GHS.

Donít. Go. There.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/22/19 05:08 PM

So, I ventured farther from home and found an S1000 in another GC. Up too high on the wall, no sustain pedal, no respect! frown
It generally felt quite good - the white keys, anyway. If I ventured too deep on the black keys they did seem to fight me with the short pivot point. I'm not sure I want to adjust my playing that much. Generally, however, it DOES have an impressive action, if not for me. I was also pleasantly surprised with the built-in speakers, they really had some volume and presence. Casio will sell a bunch of these two new models. Assuming people can actually find them in the store.

OT: Some other boards I got to play...

ē Kawai ES8 - Very nice.The action was great, the piano samples sounded better than they seemed to in the demos, the speakers were powerful. I'd be happy with this instrument.

ē Yamaha CP8 - Love love loved the action. Not really the kind of board I'm looking for this time, but if the P-515 action is anything like this (did I read that here?) my search might be over. The CP was a lot of fun to play. No manual necessary, in two minutes you know what everything does. The acoustic piano patches seemed underwhelming, I'm not sure why. Most everything in the Sub section was a bit pedestrian.

* Yamaha Arius YDP-184 - I played this longer than anything else. It felt and sounded great. More importantly, the illusion works - I really felt like I was sitting at a piano. One with a groovy rosewood finish, no less. So yeah, I want one of these, too.
Posted By: gg22

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/22/19 05:29 PM

Exactly my impression of the new Casios - white keys are really good. Black keys - not so much. So it's a perfect piano for you if:
- all your fingers are the same length (so you can play close to the front of the black keys)
- you are not blind (there are no tactile controls)
- you can't lift more than 25 lbs (not much choice there).
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/22/19 05:34 PM

Back near the fallboard the white keys get quite heavy too. When playing chords that involve black and white keys your fingers will at times be back near the fallboard on white keys. Definitely more tiring than athe decent action on my real piano.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/22/19 06:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
ē Yamaha CP8 - Love love loved the action. Not really the kind of board I'm looking for this time, but if the P-515 action is anything like this (did I read that here?) my search might be over.

I think the CP88 action is the same as the CP4 (not the P515).
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/22/19 06:29 PM

OK. Well, it (P515) is apparently the same as the Clavinova action. Since I can't seem to find one to try, I may already break my fairly new rule of buying something I haven't played first. (Yeah, Studiologic Numa Compact 2x, I'm looking at you.)
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/22/19 07:16 PM

Really like the Latin Organ(Electric Organ 5) with split Organ Bass.

The JS Organ (88800000) is good when you completely overhaul it . Change the DSP to Gain/Rotary slow (boost the gain10 steps) , change the Chorus to 3, split with Organ Bass adjust Filter to taste (and Part 1 Volume down to 87) and you have a good jazz organ 88800000.

Not sure how they could have messed up so much with the way Casio set up the stock JS Organ patch. Really cheesy! GM Organ 2 is also the same organ but clean without the cheese factory programmer effects. Adding the Gain/Rotary Slow , fat Chorus 3, really fixes it up.
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/22/19 08:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
So, I ventured farther from home and found an S1000 in another GC. Up too high on the wall, no sustain pedal, no respect! frown
It generally felt quite good - the white keys, anyway. If I ventured too deep on the black keys they did seem to fight me with the short pivot point. I'm not sure I want to adjust my playing that much. Generally, however, it DOES have an impressive action, if not for me. I was also pleasantly surprised with the built-in speakers, they really had some volume and presence. Casio will sell a bunch of these two new models. Assuming people can actually find them in the store.

OT: Some other boards I got to play...

ē Kawai ES8 - Very nice.The action was great, the piano samples sounded better than they seemed to in the demos, the speakers were powerful. I'd be happy with this instrument.

ē Yamaha CP8 - Love love loved the action. Not really the kind of board I'm looking for this time, but if the P-515 action is anything like this (did I read that here?) my search might be over. The CP was a lot of fun to play. No manual necessary, in two minutes you know what everything does. The acoustic piano patches seemed underwhelming, I'm not sure why. Most everything in the Sub section was a bit pedestrian.

* Yamaha Arius YDP-184 - I played this longer than anything else. It felt and sounded great. More importantly, the illusion works - I really felt like I was sitting at a piano. One with a groovy rosewood finish, no less. So yeah, I want one of these, too.


It must be GC instructions! I found the same thing- up high- no pedal- an uncomfortable tryout.
I hope to find it differently next time im in NYC.

I've had the ES8 for 3 and a half years- its great. To be honest I likely prefer Korg sounds but the ES8 is extremely realistic.
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/22/19 08:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Fleer
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Ah, GHS.

Donít. Go. There.


Sorry I brought it up .ooops. However, as a portable available last summer it serves myself and friends well.
Posted By: tnelson

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/22/19 08:53 PM

The user manual for the S3000 specifies using alkaline AA's for battery power, but does not mention rechargeables. Perhaps our friend Mike Martin can clarify: Would the different voltage or discharge curve of rechargeable AA's cause problems? For example, would the rechargeables trigger an earlier shut down of the S3000, compared to alkalines, as their power is depleted somewhat differently?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/23/19 12:42 AM

When GC has it up high on the wall rack, I just unplug without asking and take it down myself. I then put it on an X stand, they have those laying about, and Power On.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/23/19 01:25 AM

On my new Casio PX-S3000 is a Tone called "Electric Organ 5" which is about the same sound as the Walter Wanderley. Perfect for Latin.



-----------------------------------
The PX-S3000 "JS Organ" (88800000) is good when you completely overhaul it . Change the DSP to Gain/Rotary slow (boost the gain10 steps) , change the Chorus to 3, split with Organ Bass adjust Filter to taste (and Part 1 Volume down to 87) and you have a good jazz organ 88800000.
Posted By: rickzjamm

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/23/19 12:46 PM

Yup, Casio has come a long way in their organ sound. Great AP & EP sounds, great keybed action and affordable for us working dogs... what's not to like.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/24/19 03:20 PM

Iím relegated to Ďspectatorí on this thread from now on. I just bought the P515 home bundle plus (somewhat customized). Iím stoked, might have it by Saturday.
Letís hope weíre all happy with our new gear!
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/24/19 03:26 PM

See my S3000 thread on creating a clean tone vintage Fender Rhodes patch and a 8880000 jazz organ patch.

Creating a clean tone Rhodes and a 88800000 jazz organ
Posted By: Legatoboy

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/25/19 10:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Iím relegated to Ďspectatorí on this thread from now on. I just bought the P515 home bundle plus (somewhat customized). Iím stoked, might have it by Saturday.
Letís hope weíre all happy with our new gear!


I think your gonna be happy with it Bobby, please post a review when your ready...!
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/26/19 08:01 PM



"Alicia Witt, known for her TV and Film roles, is also an accomplished singer/songwriter and pianist. Witt joined the Rock & Review to talk about her most recent album "15,000 Days" and her upcoming tour! Plus her favorite Casio keyboards [PX-S1000] that she is taking on tour with her."
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/27/19 02:49 AM

Nice. I had no idea Alicia Witt played music.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 04/27/19 12:29 PM

Indeed. I was even more surprised to learn that, 35 years ago, she played little Alia Atreides in Lynch's Dune.

Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/01/19 08:49 PM

My 3000 arrived today. Two-word review: it rocks!

First impression after setting it up and turning it on to the default piano sound: it's just inviting and inspiring to play. I sat down and played a few notes, and they made me want to play some more. So I did, for over an hour, going through different tunes and blowing in different styles. They all felt and sounded good. I also did the obligatory tour of the presets, but mostly I just kept coming back to the basic piano tone.

Specifics: Of the two main piano tones, I preferred the default one, "Concert Grand." I know Jazz+ said in another thread that he preferred the "Stage Grand," but in my room through my system (SpaceStation V3 + subwoofer) I thought the Concert Grand was more clear and natural. Both the "bright" and "mellow" variations are nice, with enough difference to be useful but not glaring; I could see myself using the former to cut through a band, and the latter on a solo jazz ballad. One of the big questions has been about the too-fast decay/"clunkiness" in previous models, which some players (including me) have criticized. The most telling thing I can say about that is that I forgot completely about the issue until I sat down to write this post. While I was playing, it never even crossed my mind. In contrast, with my PX5S I never stopped noticing it.

As far as the action, I'm really kind of blown away by how good it feels. It's substantial but snappy, with no sluggishness. I was able to fly around the board at my top speed with no problem, including fast single-note repetitions. Some people have voiced concerns that the keys get harder to play when you push them down from near the rear. When I specifically tested this it was noticeable, but while I was actually playing I never gave it a second thought. That might be down to a matter of individual technique and repertoire, but for what I do I can't imagine it ever being an issue. But what's more noticeable than the action itself is the all-important "finger-ear connection," which, for me, is where the board really shines. I've been told they did a lot of work on velocity curves, and it shows. I was easily able to control the dynamics from ppp to fff, without ever having to work to find a sweet spot in the middle. The best way I can describe it is that it responds like a musical instrument, not a stupid imitation of one. I find it to be inspiring in a way that few digital pianos are, and none in this price range or weight.

So far I've spent very little time with the various EP sounds. I'm weirdly picky about how I like my EPs as far as processing and so forth, and all I was able to tell instantly was that none of the presets matched my particular taste. But there did seem to be enough flexibility and overall quality that I'm confident I'll be able to get something I like once I dive in and start tweaking things.

As for other sounds, the number and variety of presets is impressive. I really only gave them a quick run-through because that's not my focus with this board, but there are plenty of string, brass, pad, lead and polysynth sounds, all in gig-worthy quality. One thing I noticed in particular: if samples of obscure stringed instruments from around the world are your thing, this board definitely has you covered. I live in a house with a baglama, a balalaika, a shamisen and three bouzoukis, and there are still things included here that I've never heard of. Oh, and it's the only board I've owned whose sound effects bank is so thorough that it even includes crying baby samples, perfect for authentic "Isn't She Lovely" covers.

Finally, the built-in speakers are a serious asset. They're clear and powerful enough that I'll be happy using them on low-volume solo gigs, and I'm already counting the number of such gigs coming up that I now won't need to bring an amp to.

Bottom line: I am VERY happy with this board, and I can't imagine anyone who's looking for a compact, lightweight, 88-key AP-centric board not being happy with it as well. I happened to be looking for just such a board, and it's everything I hoped it would be. It will be joining me on three upcoming road tours, and some possible international trips as well.

Full disclosure: I have an artist relationship with Casio, and hence got a special deal on this board, so apply whatever grain of salt you feel that warrants. Just note that this was also the case with the PX5S, and while I considered it a perfectly functional and reliable workhorse of a board, I never praised it the way I'm praising this one.
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/01/19 09:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Josh Paxton
Oh, and it's the only board I've owned whose sound effects bank is so thorough that it even includes crying baby samples, perfect for authentic "Isn't She Lovely" covers.
roll

because

Originally Posted By: Josh Paxton
As much as I love Stevie, I never sit through all of "Isn't She Lovely." Not only is the repetition tedious, but as a very deliberate non-parent, I find the "sounds of giving the kid a bath" part just repulsive.
grin
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/01/19 09:33 PM

Serendipity, man.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/01/19 10:50 PM

Good review, and coming from a player. Thanks Josh.

I heard and felt it being in a totally different category - even in the NAMM din and using questionable phones - then the old model. Great to hear I wasn't imagining things. laugh
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/01/19 11:46 PM

Josh, thanks for the great review, nicely expressed!

You've made my job harder! I am also in search of a new board, and while I was initially intrigued, when I figured that I could get a good used PX-360/560 for close to the same price as a S3000 new, it got the wheels churning. Both of those models are a pretty substantial step up in features, many of which I want. So I figured, well, as far as I can tell from reviews, I'd probably be almost as happy with the action and sound quality, it weighs around the same, and overall would be alot more bang for the buck.

But then i read reviews like yours, and I begin to get nagging doubts that I wouldn't be as satisfied with the 360/560. It pretty much comes with the territory of looking for a board, I'm swayed every which way from one day to the next, as I'm on that elusive quest for true love, an instrument that begs to be played, she can be hard to find with my budget and light weight and good speaker requirements.

That's why I need more folks that have used the previous generation keybed to weigh in- would the S3000 be a substantially qualitative upgrade in key feel? I'm not as worried about the sound quality, I have iPad apps as needed, and am generally not as fussy as most folks on this forum seem to be about piano sounds. But there's no substitute for a good keybed-
Posted By: ewall08530

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 07:09 AM

Well, it's great to be back after some password, login issues involving no password reset emails being received.
Much thanks to Jim Quinn and the folks at Casio Digital Piano Group , Facebook.

First thoughts after my initial gig with the Casio PX S-3000.
*I love the elegant look and the ease of moving it around. The very small footprint will be a lifesaver in some venues.
*The action is a definite improvement over the PX 5S which I liked but not as much as some folks. It's very expressive at ppp fff and in between. How they managed to put this in a 24lb piano boggles the mind.
*The default Grand Piano Concert is very nice and sounds like a better version of the PX 5S default piano.
There is a brighter version of that which should be great for blues or rock in a louder band situation.
My favorite piano here is the Stage Piano and what sounds like a variation called Ambient Piano. They sound substantially different from any other piano sample found on this keyboard and the PX 5S. I like the sound untweaked but because Knob 1 is set to Filter you can dial the brightness up or down to taste.
This Piano and the 2 programmable knobs are not on the Casio PX S-1000. This alone is reason for me to justify the extra $200 I've spent for the S-3000.

I still have much to learn and internalize to be able to comfortably add any effect to any sound and use other features but my first impression after one gig is....
This will be a great replacement for my other rig:
Casio PX 5S playing iGrand on my iPad and the internal EP's etc.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 09:59 AM

My S1000 arrived today. I also have the three pedal unit (top tip: I find the cheapo sustain pedal that Casio ships with the piano makes an excellent rotor speed switch for your organ). Overall, I'm very impressed. Here are some bullet points:

* The build quality and finish is really nice, even though it's basically shiny black plastic.

* The music stand, for those of us who occasionally use one, is a big improvement.

* The keybed is outstanding almost at any price, and certainly at this one. It feels wonderful under the hands and the keys have a crisp, assured bounce-back. If you had any doubts about the pivot point regarding the length of the keys, forget them. I specifically improvised for a while in flat keys to test this and even in Gb, no issues for me even towards the fallboard end. I would add, however, that I'm classically trained and play with hands well raised and curved fingers. If you're perhaps self-taught and use a flatter finger technique, I could _perhaps_ imagine this might be a _slight_ issue.

* Though the piano sample is substantially improved on the PX-5S, you do still have that slight 'plinkiness' in the mid-range. However, I found this could be somewhat improved by turning on the 'surround sound' feature. This could well be just a positioning/monitoring issue, to be honest.

* Perhaps of slightly more concern is that the decay of notes, particularly in the lower half, seems rather artificially long and too slow to drop off in volume.

* I can't see myself using any of the other tones on the S1000 other than in a pinch, but the piano is what I bought it for.

* The built-in speakers are fine for background cocktail piano in a small to medium-size room, though adding an external speaker naturally makes for a more enjoyable experience. If you're doing this, I would recommend a speaker which has some built-in EQ controls. My K10 is a bit bassy and I could really do with rolling some of that stuff off. Fortunately, Casio seem to have learned their lesson from the PX-150 I had back in the day, in that you can add and blend in an extra speaker without any shenanigans.

* The SP-34 triple pedal unit is a must have. The pedals are shorter than you might expect and a little close together (if you have clodhopper feet like mine), but all work as you'd expect and this is a must-buy, in my opinion. The good news is that it's not too heavy to not take along all the time, and the generous amount of rubber on the bottom does a good job of stopping it from moving around.

* I'm still waiting for the Casio carry case to be delivered, so will add my thoughts on that later.

* As a gigging proposition for a travelling solo pianist, this is immense. 11kg, great action and a good tone that will more than pass muster Ė I wouldn't hesitate. If you need anything else, I'd check out the S3000.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 10:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
My S1000 arrived today. I also have the three pedal unit (top tip: I find the cheapo sustain pedal that Casio ships with the piano makes an excellent rotor speed switch for your organ). Overall, I'm very impressed. Here are some bullet points:

* The build quality and finish is really nice, even though it's basically shiny black plastic.

* The music stand, for those of us who occasionally use one, is a big improvement.

* The keybed is outstanding almost at any price, and certainly at this one. It feels wonderful under the hands and the keys have a crisp, assured bounce-back. If you had any doubts about the pivot point regarding the length of the keys, forget them. I specifically improvised for a while in flat keys to test this and even in Gb, no issues for me even towards the fallboard end. I would add, however, that I'm classically trained and play with hands well raised and curved fingers. If you're perhaps self-taught and use a flatter finger technique, I could _perhaps_ imagine this might be a _slight_ issue.

* Though the piano sample is substantially improved on the PX-5S, you do still have that slight 'plinkiness' in the mid-range. However, I found this could be somewhat improved by turning on the 'surround sound' feature. This could well be just a positioning/monitoring issue, to be honest.

* Perhaps of slightly more concern is that the decay of notes, particularly in the lower half, seems rather artificially long and too slow to drop off in volume.

* I can't see myself using any of the other tones on the S1000 other than in a pinch, but the piano is what I bought it for.

* The built-in speakers are fine for background cocktail piano in a small to medium-size room, though adding an external speaker naturally makes for a more enjoyable experience. If you're doing this, I would recommend a speaker which has some built-in EQ controls. My K10 is a bit bassy and I could really do with rolling some of that stuff off. Fortunately, Casio seem to have learned their lesson from the PX-150 I had back in the day, in that you can add and blend in an extra speaker without any shenanigans.

* The SP-34 triple pedal unit is a must have. The pedals are shorter than you might expect and a little close together (if you have clodhopper feet like mine), but all work as you'd expect and this is a must-buy, in my opinion. The good news is that it's not too heavy to not take along all the time, and the generous amount of rubber on the bottom does a good job of stopping it from moving around.

* I'm still waiting for the Casio carry case to be delivered, so will add my thoughts on that later.

* As a gigging proposition for a travelling solo pianist, this is immense. 11kg, great action and a good tone that will more than pass muster Ė I wouldn't hesitate. If you need anything else, I'd check out the S3000.


Would you have considered the S3000 instead to see if there are more serviceable sounds beyond the main acoustic piano sample set? Or was weight, price and the piano sound what the doctor ordered?
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 10:45 AM

We all must of received are keyboards on the same day . I went with the S 3000 , if I were to compare the action to my other keyboards the closet one would be my Kawai MP11. The action has the same smooth buttery feeling , only lighter and faster .It is shallower but is very easy to play , no fatigue at all . The first Grand piano that pops up on the screen is my favorite . I had it sitting across from my Dexibell and compared it to the Japanese Platinum piano sound , the Casio is not as lush soundingng as the Dexibell but it does have a nice piano sound of its own , the piano sound has a shorter decay then the Dexibell and is not as intricate and detailed ,but it still sounds great .If you play Jazz this piano is perfect cause of the quick action and the piano sound which compliment each other . It would also be great for a country rock band for a song like call me the breeze because its so quick and easy to play . The only thing I am having trouble with is trying to find out a way to switch the layered parts off and on without going through a lot of button pushing . I've only had one night with it but this is for sure a nice little keyboard .
Posted By: tnelson

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 11:46 AM

I'm a jazz pianist. I got the S3000 to lighten my load for rehearsals, and it's turned out to be good enough that it's coming to my next gig. For the last 3-4 years I have been using Pianoteq, usually into the Spacestation v3 amp for gigs. I needed to make an EQ preset to calibrate the speakers (flatten the output of the SSV3 with pink noise) to enable it to project AP in an accurate-sounding way, at least to my ears. By happy coincidence (?) the S3000 seems to pair unusually well with my SSV3, and its AP sounds great.

I'll add just a few comments and tips to the above, related to AP only:

Pianos: The first 3 pianos (001-003 Grand Piano Concert) seem to be samples from a distant mic perspective, similar to that used for recording classical piano. I found them nice through headphones, but murky through speakers into a room, even with reverb off. The 004 Stage Piano is a close-mic version that works best for me through speakers. Clear and close-miced, like most piano in a jazz group.

Knobs: I set the Knob Set to Brilliance/Reverb, so I can control Brilliance with Knob 1 and Reverb Send with Knob 2. I set Reverb to Room 2 (I think another poster suggested this too), but I roll off the reverb entirely when playing through SSV3. I also found, in 2 different rehearsal rooms, that rolling off Brilliance is the only EQ I need to make the SSV3 to sound "right" for the room. In fact, it really surprised me how well the S3000 paired with the SSV3, without my EQ calibration preset. So far, the Brilliance control is all I've needed to fit the sound to a particular room.

Pedals: This was a disappointment. I'm used to Pianoteq, along with one of the Fatar triple pedals, which enables the continuous damper pedaling you get with a real piano. It seems like it would have been possible to enable continuous or half-pedaling in the Casio with already available hardware, but Casio chose to go with their proprietary unit that only enables half-pedaling. The use of a typical on/off switch sustain pedal on this Casio cause a pretty abrupt cut-off in sound, as the damper pedal is lifted, IMO. It will be pretty apparent if you play solo. I know it's a relatively inexpensive keyboard, but given all the bells and whistles included, you'd think this basic pianist's tool would be implemented.

As others have commented, the keyboard action is really good, quite an engineering feat in this form factor. It feels reassuringly solid and even. Note repetition is natural and as fast as you can play. It just feels good to play this keyboard as a piano.

If you're a pianist looking for a lightweight keyboard that lets you play and sound like a pianist, definitely check it out.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 11:49 AM

Disclaimer, I haven't tried it - but I believe the "assignable / expression" pedal input can be assigned to SUSTAIN. This means that a continuous pedal from another manufacturer could potentially be used for half pedaling.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 11:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Disclaimer, I haven't tried it - but I believe the "assignable / expression" pedal input can be assigned to SUSTAIN. This means that a continuous pedal from another manufacturer could potentially be used for half pedaling.

I've tried it with an expression pedal and it works! But its quite odd to use an expression pedal rather than a more standard style sustain pedal - takes some getting used to.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 11:55 AM

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Would you have considered the S3000 instead to see if there are more serviceable sounds beyond the main acoustic piano sample set? Or was weight, price and the piano sound what the doctor ordered?


I don't think there's any difference in weight between the two models, or if there is it's trivial. No, I just needed an instrument for solo piano jobs, whether cocktail stuff, accompanying a choir etc. Anything which takes me beyond that, and I already have the MODX8, which is more flexible anyway. Also I liked the slightly cleaner stylings of the 1000, and I saved a couple of hundred pounds in the process.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 12:00 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Disclaimer, I haven't tried it - but I believe the "assignable / expression" pedal input can be assigned to SUSTAIN. This means that a continuous pedal from another manufacturer could potentially be used for half pedaling.

I've tried it with an expression pedal and it works! But its quite odd to use an expression pedal rather than a more standard style sustain pedal - takes some getting used to.


But sustain pedals like Yamaha's FC3 (which comes with the CP series) are essentially a continuous controller, so I'm guessing this is what Mike was getting at? That said, I'm using the Casio triple pedal unit and haven't noticed anything too horrible going on.
Posted By: tnelson

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 12:12 PM

Thanks, Mike and PianoManChuck....I'll try this. When I looked at programming the expression pedal jack, it looked like I could only program on/off sustain and not half-pedaling, but I'll be happy if I was wrong.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 12:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Would you have considered the S3000 instead to see if there are more serviceable sounds beyond the main acoustic piano sample set? Or was weight, price and the piano sound what the doctor ordered?


I don't think there's any difference in weight between the two models, or if there is it's trivial. No, I just needed an instrument for solo piano jobs, whether cocktail stuff, accompanying a choir etc. Anything which takes me beyond that, and I already have the MODX8, which is more flexible anyway. Also I liked the slightly cleaner stylings of the 1000, and I saved a couple of hundred pounds in the process.


Did you find, like I have, that the MODX8 is the best feeling GHS action Yamaha currently has? I found it felt very different from a P series or even the CP-40 (which I donít like very much at all for acoustic piano).
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 12:32 PM

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Did you find, like I have, that the MODX8 is the best feeling GHS action Yamaha currently has? I found it felt very different from a P series or even the CP-40 (which I donít like very much at all for acoustic piano).


Yes, definitely. I was worried it would be quite spinet-ish like the MOX8F, which I tried and didn't like at all. The much improved sample set probably helps a great deal too, though.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 12:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Disclaimer, I haven't tried it - but I believe the "assignable / expression" pedal input can be assigned to SUSTAIN. This means that a continuous pedal from another manufacturer could potentially be used for half pedaling.

I've tried it with an expression pedal and it works! But its quite odd to use an expression pedal rather than a more standard style sustain pedal - takes some getting used to.


But sustain pedals like Yamaha's FC3 (which comes with the CP series) are essentially a continuous controller, so I'm guessing this is what Mike was getting at? That said, I'm using the Casio triple pedal unit and haven't noticed anything too horrible going on.

I first tried it with the Korg DS1H half damper (in the expression pedal jack) but that didn't work.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 01:22 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck

I first tried it with the Korg DS1H half damper (in the expression pedal jack) but that didn't work.


Did you calibrate it and assign it to Sustain? Again this may not work, this was just my suspicion.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 01:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck

I first tried it with the Korg DS1H half damper (in the expression pedal jack) but that didn't work.


Did you calibrate it and assign it to Sustain? Again this may not work, this was just my suspicion.

Calibrated and assigned to Sustain. No go on the Korg. Works great with a ProLine expression pedal though.
Posted By: tnelson

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 01:53 PM

The Fatar VP3-D pedal, which has a continuous potentiometer damper pedal, and a plug called Exp type 2 in the Casio manual, does not seem to work for half-pedaling in the S3000 Expression Jack. I assigned Sustain to the jack and went through the calibration routine according to the manual.
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 02:06 PM

I'm trying to find the list of 700 tones in the 3000 but googling doesn't turn anything up. Anybody have a list or a link to it?
Posted By: Toano88

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 02:14 PM

https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/008/PXS3000_builtinmusicdatalist_A_EN.pdf
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 02:23 PM

Originally Posted By: El Lobo
I'm trying to find the list of 700 tones in the 3000 but googling doesn't turn anything up. Anybody have a list or a link to it?

Download the datalist at
https://support.casio.com/en/manual/manualfile.php?cid=008021002
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 02:28 PM

THANK YOU both
Posted By: WWW

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 03:56 PM

The programming of the 3000 is pretty primitive. Questionóis there a programming app for iPad or computer to make it more intuitive (and easier)?
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 04:15 PM

There's the Chordana Play for Piano app for iOS and Android (no desktop version) that lets you do a lot, but I don't know if it does the programming you're looking for on the PX-S3000. But it's free so you can try it.

(Make sure you get Chordana Play for Piano and not the one simply titled Chordana Play, which is for other Casio models.)
Posted By: WWW

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 04:36 PM

Thanks
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 04:49 PM

Once you get used to editing on the S3000 it becomes rather easy. I found it daunting at first but after a few times it all seems user friendly now. (Chordana is not really a Tones editor other than for adjusting only the details of the Grand Piano. You cannot adjust the other sounds or effects with it, such as EPs, Organs, the DSPs and its levels, the Effects, Splits, the Registrations, etc. Those are done on the keyboard.)
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 05:36 PM

Originally Posted By: tnelson
I'm a jazz pianist.

Pedals: This was a disappointment. I'm used to Pianoteq, along with one of the Fatar triple pedals, which enables the continuous damper pedaling you get with a real piano. It seems like it would have been possible to enable continuous or half-pedaling in the Casio with already available hardware, but Casio chose to go with their proprietary unit that only enables half-pedaling. The use of a typical on/off switch sustain pedal on this Casio cause a pretty abrupt cut-off in sound, as the damper pedal is lifted, IMO. It will be pretty apparent if you play solo. I know it's a relatively inexpensive keyboard, but given all the bells and whistles included, you'd think this basic pianist's tool would be implemented.

Color me confused- I thought continuous and half-pedaling were the same thing. The S1000/3000 SP34 3 pedal unit DOES offer half-pedaling.

From SW:
"Half damper: A piano pedal technique in which the damper (sustain) pedal is only partially pressed down. Some classical piano pieces call for this technique, which raises the felts (dampers) only partially off the strings. Half damper capabilities have (in recent years) been developed for electronic keyboard instruments, particularly digital pianos.

On an acoustic piano, the degree to which you depress the sustain pedal affects the amount (or ďshapeĒ) of sustain produced. For many years, electronic keyboards were limited to a simple ďon/offĒ sustain pedal function. MIDI continuous controller 64 was assigned to handle sustain and, unlike other continuous controllers, only recognized ďonĒ (usually 127) and ďoffĒ (usually 0) values. This simple pedal approach may hamper pianists who are trained to use multi-pedaling techniques on a piano.

Half-damper pedals still send MIDI controller 64 messages but also transmit standard MIDI control changes ranging from 0 to 127. Provided the instrument itself is programmed to respond to these values for example, with additional samples, amplitude envelope adjustments, or modeling a variety of sonic responses beyond a simple sustain on/off are possible."
Posted By: ewall08530

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 05:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Once you get used to editing on the S3000 it becomes rather easy. I found it daunting at first but after a few times it all seems user friendly now. (Chordana is not really a Tones editor other than for adjusting only the details of the Grand Piano. You cannot adjust the other sounds or effects with it, such as EPs, Organs, the DSPs and its levels, the Effects, Splits, the Registrations, etc. Those are done on the keyboard.)


I'm coming from years of working and programming Nord keyboards and unsurprisingly they are more intuitive for me. Going from a Nord which seems to have a button or knob for everything with little menu diving to the elegant form and highly menu driven Casio has been challenging.
Having said that, I'm starting to get around on the PXS-3000 much better today.

I was concerned with having no actual eq to tweak the sounds but having the knobs and setting to brilliance/ reverb is helping greatly. The S-3000 was a good choice just to get those programmable knobs.

I'm still confused about one thing in particular. After going into registration mode and playing a set-up/ sound there how do you completely leave registrations and return to the status you are in when you power up?
Simply hitting the Function gets you to Tone section but you still are retaining some of the settings from the registration. ie. reverb, knob settings etc.
Posted By: WWW

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 06:08 PM

Hi ed! Bill Levinson here from Key West. I want to get the 3000 as a back up for my Nord stage. Like you, I also have a mojo 61. Question, how are the synthesizer sounds on the 3000? Are any of them usable? Especially the lead sounds . On another note, how are you doing? I am working here six nights a week. Yesterday we did a double at the Green parrot. A spectacular very cool venue, like a much bigger John and Peters. And the big difference is that they pay a lot of money.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 06:16 PM

Synths at 2:39 sound good to me:

Posted By: tnelson

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 06:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Randelph

Color me confused- I thought continuous and half-pedaling were the same thing. The S1000/3000 SP34 3 pedal unit DOES offer half-pedaling.


Sorry if I got that wrong and half-pedaling and continuous pedaling are meant to describe the same thing in digital keyboards. Do all digital pianos with half-pedaling implement a continuous change in sound, and not a discrete intermediate step? I understand that the pedal controller outputs a continuous range of values, but does the sound output also respond continuously from damped to undamped?

About the Casio triple pedal, yes it does engage half-pedaling, but it seems to be the only practical way to do it. Other 1- pedal and 3-pedal continuous/half-damper units seem not to work, unless you include rocking-style expression pedals. I don't really need a 3-pedal unit, just a single damper pedal that works continuously. Perhaps one of our forum colleagues will discover one that works.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 07:08 PM

To be honest, I'd just get the Casio triple pedal set Ė it's not a huge amount of money, compact, light and doesn't move around.
Posted By: Jazzmammal

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 07:14 PM

Someone can correct me but I think of half pedaling this way. On a real AP half pedaling is just a term used for a partial pedal, it's not a literal term. If you hit the pedal slightly on a grand you get a slight bit of sustain, push it a bit harder, you get a bit more sustain until you go all the way down for full sustain. All of that is still called half pedal when referring to AP's. In a digital piano it is a literal term. A half pedal means exactly that and no more. You hold the pedal above a certain cut off point and that gives you a fixed amount of sustain. It doesn't matter where in the throw of the pedal you are. If it's above the cut off point it's the same amount of partial sustain. Go beyond that point and it's the normal full sustain. There is no continuous sweep going on if it's being referred to as a half pedal. It's only certain specialized digital pianos either software or hardware that specifically advertise they're using a continuous pedal to accurately reproduce the pedal on a real AP.

Bob
Posted By: tnelson

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 07:16 PM

Yes, thanks, I came to the same conclusion. I just was hoping to use the pedal I already have.
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 07:31 PM

I pulled the trigger and ordered a 3000 today. This thread did it to me.

Help! I can't stop myself from buying new keyboards.
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 08:29 PM

Damn! Makes me want to buy an S3000 so I can be part of the PX-S club!
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/02/19 11:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Would you have considered the S3000 instead to see if there are more serviceable sounds beyond the main acoustic piano sample set? Or was weight, price and the piano sound what the doctor ordered?


I don't think there's any difference in weight between the two models, or if there is it's trivial. No, I just needed an instrument for solo piano jobs, whether cocktail stuff, accompanying a choir etc. Anything which takes me beyond that, and I already have the MODX8, which is more flexible anyway. Also I liked the slightly cleaner stylings of the 1000, and I saved a couple of hundred pounds in the process.

I remember my MODX8 being quite bulky.
How would you compare the Casio?
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/03/19 05:34 AM

I am wondering how Casio was able to get such clean and polished sounds that transfer to the speakers without a lot of artifacts that you get when you run into speakers . The piano sounds great on the EV ZXA1 speakers but on the Dexibell you can here some static ,and I am running them both through the same mixer .
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/03/19 12:12 PM

To those of you who have gigged a 1000/3000, what stand do you use?
Posted By: ewall08530

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/03/19 01:02 PM

Originally Posted By: WWW
Hi ed! Bill Levinson here from Key West. I want to get the 3000 as a back up for my Nord stage. Like you, I also have a mojo 61. Question, how are the synthesizer sounds on the 3000? Are any of them usable? Especially the lead sounds . On another note, how are you doing? I am working here six nights a week. Yesterday we did a double at the Green parrot. A spectacular very cool venue, like a much bigger John and Peters. And the big difference is that they pay a lot of money.


Hi Bill, I've not paid attention to the synth section yet. I bought this mostly to be my main gigging board for all solo piano work. I'l get in there over the weekend and check them out. The video Jazz+ posted sounded good and with the 3000 you have the knobs to play with the filter etc. and the pitch bend is programmable.
Sounds as if you're doing well and having some fun too.

I'm keeping busy gigging 5 days a week with easily 1/2 my work coming from better paying solo gigs.
When do you come back to NJ?
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/03/19 01:38 PM

Here is the webinar from last week now transferred over to Youtube. We will be doing another one of these soon.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 01:35 AM

Originally Posted By: El Lobo
To those of you who have gigged a 1000/3000, what stand do you use?


I asked Mike Martin what stand he would recommend (I have several K&M 18950s but they seem like overkill in terms of depth) and he specifically mentioned this one:

Ultimate Support JamStands JS-MPS1

I'm having difficulty sourcing one here in the UK, though there are a couple of others which look similar and appear to have roughly the same dimensions, branded as Stagg and Neewer respectively. This side of the pond, Andertons carry the JS-MPS1C, which looks pretty much the same but with a more 'closed in' top.
Posted By: drawback

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 01:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
Originally Posted By: El Lobo
To those of you who have gigged a 1000/3000, what stand do you use?


I asked Mike Martin what stand he would recommend (I have several K&M 18950s but they seem like overkill in terms of depth) and he specifically mentioned this one:

Ultimate Support JamStands JS-MPS1

I'm having difficulty sourcing one here in the UK, though there are a couple of others which look similar and appear to have roughly the same dimensions, branded as Stagg and Neewer respectively. This side of the pond, Andertons carry the JS-MPS1C, which looks pretty much the same but with a more 'closed in' top.


The Gator Frameworks table type stands look pretty good. clonk
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 02:09 AM

If you can hang with the look, the lightest keyboard should have the lightest stand.

I've had the K&M 18880 for around 8 years with the Nord pianos and the CP4. For whatever reason, it's not on the Sweetwater site.
https://www.fullcompass.com/prod/116955-...9hoCNA0QAvD_BwE
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 02:29 AM

Gawd, I love this forum. I have the Gator Frameworks stand for my Nord 5D. It's very heavy but I like it, for the most part. I was looking for a stand that was not quite so deep. The 3000 is 9" deep according to published specs. I looked at the Ultimate Support jam stand and others like it (e.g., Neewer) which say they are 10" deep, so maybe that's the best bet. I'm always trying for the smallest possible stage real estate with the greatest stability. 88 keys is max width and can make life difficult on narrow stages, but if I can shave a few inches off the depth, it makes for better relations with the harp player on stages that aren't very deep to begin with.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 07:53 AM

I've had two K&M 18880s and they've always gone rogue on me after a while, buckling and seizing up. Think I'll order the Jamstand C version from Andertons...
Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 09:57 AM

I have been using a km 188880, sometimes with a second tier, for about 3 years now and while I love the weight and the ability to have two keyboards close and nearly flat, Iíd have to describe as very fragile for gigging even a few times a month. Down here in Mexico load ins are fast and often a little roughócobblestone streets, double parking, etc. For some reason the screws come loose and disappear more than any stand Iíve ever had. It functions but there is a tad more side to side movement than I like.
Posted By: drawback

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 10:18 AM

That Jam Stand doesn't look like the materials would hold up very long. The legs seem like theyíd bend easily and wouldnít fold flat anyway. And it seems to me a lightweight keyboard would need more structure beneath it, which Gator appears to have.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 11:01 AM

Gator Frameworks table stand? I don't know... an 18 lb stand for a 25 lb board kinda seems like defeating part of the purpose. I'd look for something aluminum. If not that K&M, then maybe the Strukture Aluminum KeyStand. It's an X-stand, but a good one.
Posted By: tnelson

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 12:16 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
I don't know... an 18 lb stand for a 25 lb board kinda seems like defeating part of the purpose.

Casio has an opportunity to design a well-engineered light folding stand to match the light and slim form factor of these new keyboards. They've already designed the 3-pedal unit to be independent of the matching home furniture stand, and they've designed a nice gig bag to fit. How about a light but stable folding stand? My experience has been that X-stands are not so good for seated piano players...knees constantly bumping the stand.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 07:51 PM


I have 2 of these and the shorter version for my Mojo 61. I remove the extension legs to make them lighter:

Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 08:00 PM

Z stands, Omega Stand, Standtastik stand will also give your knees and pedal room.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 08:14 PM

Overview video of differences between PX-S1000 vs PX-S3000:

Posted By: tnelson

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 08:31 PM

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Z stands, Omega Stand, Standtastik stand will also give your knees and pedal room.


I have both an Omega stand and a folding platform stand that have plenty of room for knees, but neither are light nor proportioned for the S3000. I was imagining that the clever Casio engineers that created the S1000 and S3000 could create a light and compact stand, designed for stability and proportioned for these keyboards.
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/04/19 09:16 PM

Ah I see. These are slim digitals. Saw the FP-30 recently. Not much to that one either foot print wise. But Iím not sure what theyíd come up with. If the stand is as slim as these models - how sturdy could it be?
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/05/19 01:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+

I have 2 of these


Hey Jazz+, that's the Quick Lok WS 550, correct? I also have 2 with second tier option, looking at picking up a third. They seem to be creeping up in price, but my first one is 25 years old. You get what you pay for, hopefully.
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/05/19 10:04 AM

The PX-S3000 uses twice as much battery power as the PX-S1000, the former giving you two hours, the latter four.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/05/19 01:45 PM

Dbl post
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/05/19 01:46 PM

2 hours vs 4? Must be the processor and display. Batteries for special occasions only.
Posted By: Al Quinn

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/05/19 06:57 PM

I played a Casio PX-S1000 at GC. For Long Islanders who might be interested it was at the Commack store.

I thought the action and sound were very good. I only played the acoustic piano sound that it was set on. I liked the feel of the keys and was very comfortable expressing myself. At 25 pounds it's a dream come true!

My only struggle was when I moved my hands close to the fulcrum. The first two thirds of the keys were fine -- meaning key resistance was what I expected -- but key resistance was too hard for the last third. For a lot of the music I play this isn't an issue. I'd really only struggle with this if I were playing solo jazz piano or classical. Kudos to Casio on a wonderful technical achievement!

I'm going to buy a PX-S3000 as it provides a lot more functionality for a very reasonable additional cost. I plan on sometimes using the internal sounds and sometimes using it as a midi controller for my laptop rig. I'm expecting it will replace the CP4 for rock and blues gigs (because of the lighter weight) while also replacing the Yamaha NP11 for most portable / battery operated situations (because of the additional keys, and better action and sound). I'll keep the CP4 for jazz gigs as I'm not convinced I'll be able to comfortably express the same amount of nuance with the PX-S3000. But, we'll see -- the jury's still out on this.

P.S. GC also had a Yamaha P125. I found that I could express myself more easily on the PX-S3000 then the P125. Unfortunately, I can't put into words why that is. For me it's just a feeling and also the most important criteria.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/05/19 07:48 PM

Thanks Al for the report. When you have both the CP4 and Casio next to each other in the confines of your home, I'd be curious to hear if you still feel the same about the Casio for a Jazz context. And also how it sounds through the TT08As compared to the CP4. Thanks.

Of course playing at home isn't always conclusive. Being out in the real world with a rhythm section and at the mercy of varying room acoustics is the real acid test.

I also have a hard time getting around on the entry level Yamahas I've played.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/05/19 08:52 PM

I did a comparison today with the casio s3000 and the dexibell platinum Japanese grand , I just turned them both on and played them , I need to figure out how to tweak the casio , but it sounds decent coming through the zxa1 ev speakers , I need to figure out how to turn off the on board speakers to make it a little cleaner for recording . Go to mike lupinetti on you tube if interested .
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/05/19 11:31 PM

Mike, plug a cable into the headphone jack and the internal speakers will be cut off.
Posted By: agitato

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/05/19 11:53 PM

Does anyone know how the casio px-s1000 compares overall to the kawai es 110?
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/06/19 05:35 AM

You don't need to plug a cable into the headphone jack. Function + F7 will turn the internal speakers on and off, at least on the 1000.

As for the Kawai ES110, I really like Kawai's piano samples (I'm actively considering an MP11SE) but that one is an absolute miss for me, it's far too bright and thin on every YouTube video I can find of it.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/06/19 05:35 AM

Thanks davedoerfler , I did not even think about that .
Posted By: Al Quinn

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/07/19 08:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
When you have both the CP4 and Casio next to each other in the confines of your home, I'd be curious to hear if you still feel the same about the Casio for a Jazz context. And also how it sounds through the TT08As compared to the CP4. Thanks.

Sure Dave, will do. I ordered a PX-S3000 yesterday and should have it in a few days.
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/07/19 10:30 PM

My 3000 was delivered today and I'm just coming up for air. It's fun to play. I like the feel and touch of the keyboard. The piano sounds are pretty wonderful for what looks like just the keybed of a real piano. I'm hoping the internal speakers will be loud enough for rehearsal but I'm not sure about that. I'll find out soon enough. I won't be gigging with this right away, at least until I get better oriented. When I do gig, I'll put it though my 2 K8 speakers. I'm doing a fair amount of menu diving but I won't use the majority of the features and parameters that I can adjust. One thing I'm somewhat disappointed in is the organ sounds, but that's not why I got this board and that's why I have the Nord 5D. But I do NOT want to be gigging 2 boards in addition to my sax. Too much gear is too much to load in, set up, take down, and load out. I'm also a little disappointed in the electric piano sounds. I like the Wurly on my Nord. But I can get into the variety of other e. piano sounds on the 3000. More time is needed on the board. Also, the vast majority of the 700 sounds sound to me like sounds that have been around for years. I'm not sure how many are actually new to Casio and engineered for this board. But I like the pianos and how they sound with the internal speakers. Also I hooked up my expression pedal and that also makes it mo' bettah. New toys are always lots of fun. I'm a happy camper today. Tomorrow never knows ...
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/08/19 01:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
You don't need to plug a cable into the headphone jack. Function + F7 will turn the internal speakers on and off, at least on the 1000.
On the 3000 it's function 104.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/08/19 02:32 PM

A single little amp on the floor should be loud enough for many situations , not for a full band though. I do solo piano and duo/trio gigs with a single little 10" Fender bass amp ($179, 17 lbs) on the floor. Sounds huge, like a grand piano.

Note: To get a clean tone Rhodes go to EP1 and change the DSP to Stereo 3 Band EQ and save as a Registration on the S3000 only.
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/08/19 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Note: To get a clean tone Rhodes go to EP1 and change the DSP to Stereo 3 Band EQ and save as a Registration on the S3000 only.
Thanks for that tip.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/08/19 04:57 PM

EP1 is the best, but Casio preset it with heavy phase shifter and tremolo effects. When all that is taken off it's the best clean tone Rhodes in the EP Tone bank. (to do so, simply change the DSP to Stereo 3 Band EQ and save as a Registration. I also recommend setting Knobs 1 and 2 to Chorus and Reverb control. Also, you can boost High Gain for more tine sound.) I'm very pleased with the result. You can only do this with the S3000.
Posted By: ewall08530

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/08/19 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: El Lobo
Gawd, I love this forum. I have the Gator Frameworks stand for my Nord 5D. It's very heavy but I like it, for the most part. I was looking for a stand that was not quite so deep. The 3000 is 9" deep according to published specs. I looked at the Ultimate Support jam stand and others like it (e.g., Neewer) which say they are 10" deep, so maybe that's the best bet. I'm always trying for the smallest possible stage real estate with the greatest stability. 88 keys is max width and can make life difficult on narrow stages, but if I can shave a few inches off the depth, it makes for better relations with the harp player on stages that aren't very deep to begin with.


I picked up this Gator stand and it's a good size for my Nord Stage 3 Compact or my Casio PX S3000. I can handle the 18 lbs because it sets up in 10 seconds and it folds completely flat and is easy to carry or fit on my cart. Thanks guys!
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/08/19 05:47 PM

More good stuff. Thank you Jazz+
Posted By: wd8dky

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/08/19 11:14 PM

Jazz+ - are you a paid endorser?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/09/19 02:39 AM

I wish I was but I am not.
Posted By: Sam CA

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/09/19 03:02 AM

Jazz+,

Thank you for the demos and all the information you've provided so far. I purchased the S3000 as well, but I've yet to unbox it.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/09/19 12:39 PM

Congrats Sam, I look forward to hearing what you think about it.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/09/19 12:41 PM

Originally Posted By: wd8dky
Jazz+ - are you a paid endorser?


Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I wish I was but I am not.


The people in charge of this kind of thing read this forum. thu
Posted By: MalH

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/09/19 01:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
EP1 is the best...

How many velocity layers do you detect? The PX5s has 4.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/09/19 01:32 PM

Originally Posted By: MalH
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
EP1 is the best...

How many velocity layers do you detect? The PX5s has 4.

PX5S also has hexlayer EPs, which could have up to 6, though I haven't examined them (the stock ones or the freely downloadable ones programmed by Dave Weiser). Though some of they're six tones may be used for other things. Maybe release noises, for example.
Posted By: Al Quinn

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 12:48 PM

I received the PX-S3000 yesterday and played it for a few hours. It's a keeper! An amazing keyboard for the price.

What I love:
- 25 lbs.
- the weighted action (for most playing situations)
- AP piano sample
- iOS app for editing parameters
- option to run on batteries
- looks great too!

What I like:
- internal speakers. They sound very good up to about 3/4 volume; after that the tone takes an unpleasant hit
- surround mode
- music stand

What I dislike:
- the other sounds. I don't think I'd use any of them.
- the action for nuanced playing. While key resistance is what I expect for the front half of the key, the back half of the key requires much more force to achieve the same volume. The result is uncomfortable playing and not so good music.

What I expect to like:
- Midi implementation. It looks like it will be a very good controller for my laptop rig. My needs aren't very demanding. I'm thinking the patch buttons and two knobs will provide the control I desire.
- expression pedal support
- pitch bend wheel

Overall, I'm thrilled to have this lightweight keyboard with an excellent acoustic piano sound, very good weighted action, and nice sounding internal speakers that also has the option of running on batteries.
Posted By: Al Quinn

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 01:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
When you have both the CP4 and Casio next to each other in the confines of your home, I'd be curious to hear if you still feel the same about the Casio for a Jazz context. And also how it sounds through the TT08As compared to the CP4. Thanks.

Dave, after playing the CP4 and PX-S3000 side by side I've decided I'll be taking the CP4 to jazz gigs. For group playing the PX-S3000 is fine but if I had to play solo piano or even a piano intro I would struggle playing with the desired amount of nuance.

I like how the PX-S3000 AP sounds through the TT08As. The CP4 sounds better to me but, of course, it's an unfair comparison because they're not in the same price range. One noticeable difference is that Casio's stereo separation design sounds very straightforward: the further left a key is on the keyboard the further left it is in the stereo image (and visa-versa). The Yamaha implementation is less obvious to my ears. They use the stereo field to create a beautiful / more complex sound and while left keys are panned left and right keys are panned right there's something else going on that's very pleasing. Maybe it's the how the resonance sits in the stereo image? I'm not sure but it is a more inspiring sound.
Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 01:12 PM

"For group playing the PX-S1000 is fine but if I had to play solo piano or even a piano intro I would struggle playing with the desired amount of nuance. "


Wow--that is a dramatic statement, Al. Are you sure you've set the keyboard touch parameters up correctly? My impression of it, albeit at NAMM, was that it was at least as responsive and comfortable as the Yamaha and my PX5s for that matter. And I think of myself as a nuanced player, much to the frustration of recording engineers at times wink
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 01:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
When you have both the CP4 and Casio next to each other in the confines of your home, I'd be curious to hear if you still feel the same about the Casio for a Jazz context. And also how it sounds through the TT08As compared to the CP4. Thanks.

Dave, after playing the CP4 and PX-S3000 side by side I've decided I'll be taking the CP4 to jazz gigs. For group playing the PX-S3000 is fine but if I had to play solo piano or even a piano intro I would struggle playing with the desired amount of nuance.

I like how the PX-S3000 AP sounds through the TT08As. The CP4 sounds better to me but, of course, it's an unfair comparison because they're not in the same price range. One noticeable difference is that Casio's stereo separation design sounds very straightforward: the further left a key is on the keyboard the further left it is in the stereo image (and visa-vera). The Yamaha implementation is less obvious to my ears. They use the stereo field to create a beautiful / more complex sound and while left keys are panned left and right keys are panned right there's something else going on that's very pleasing. Maybe it's the how the resonance sits in the stereo image? I'm not sure but it is a more inspiring sound.


Thanks Al. I trust and value your ears and opinion relating to the sound and action.

When I was at NAMM there was probably at least a half hour between the time I played the Yamaha P-515 and the Casio. So it would, obviously, be hard to make a direct comparison. Plus add in the noise and less then great phones I heard both with.

I did come away feeling the P-515 had a bit of an edge in the action department over the CP4 and the Casio. It seemed easier to execute passages and lines on - both Jazz and Classical.

The Casio, I was standing up playing. So even though it felt good, there was that negative in the experience.

And like you said, it's not a fair comparison with the CP4 that costs (at least listed at one time) three times as much.

But I am happy to hear the Casio does sound good out of the TT08As. I'm sure it's a Godsend for many people. But for the time being, again, I'm not adversely affected by the CP4's physical weight. I'll probably stay with my original plan of adding the P-515 at some point in time.
Posted By: Al Quinn

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 01:59 PM

Yes, I check out the keyboard touch parameters and picked the one that I liked best (i.e., it's called NORMAL).

What I'm describing is inherent in the mechanical design. By this I mean if you had a CP4, acoustic piano, and PX-S3000 side by side and pressed their keys from the front to the back you'll find that noticeably more force is required to press the PX-S3000 key toward the back relative to the force required to press the same key toward the front (to achieved the same volume). On the CP4 and acoustic piano the force either doesn't vary, or varies much less, when doing the same.

Some players can play with great nuance using the front half of the keys but I can't. So YMMV.

Here's a specific example. I played the second movement of Beethoven's Pathetique on the CP4 and PX-S3000. The key of Ab pulls my hands toward the back of the keys. Using the first eight bars as an example, I want to play three distinct layers: melody, bass, and inner voice accompaniment. On the CP4 no problem, but on the PX-S3000 I struggled: some inner voice notes sounded louder than expected while some melody notes sounded lower than expected, etc. -- you get the idea. That's not to say others can't play this piece well on the PX-S3000. It's just to say that I can't.

Posted By: Mjazz

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
What I'm describing is inherent in the mechanical design. By this I mean if you had a CP4, acoustic piano, and PX-S3000 side by side and pressed their keys from the front to the back you'll find that noticeably more force is required to press the PX-S3000 key toward the back relative to the force required to press the same key toward the front (to achieved the same volume). On the CP4 and acoustic piano the force either doesn't vary, or varies much less, when doing the same.


Same reaction here, after playing a PX-S1000 at GC a couple of days ago. The pivot point of each key mechanism must be very very close to the back of the visible portion of the key, to fit within the compact chassis. As a result, the touch at the front of the key is way different from the touch at the back.
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 06:46 PM

Things I learned by taking my S3000 to play somewhere else:

1. It doesnít fit in my car. I have to wedge it in the back seat with one end as far down on the corner of the floor as I can get it and the other end up high near the roof. I put the board in itís shipping box with the styrofoam ends so I could move it without worrying about damage. Even then, I kept banging it into doors and walls. I ordered the carrying case but Sweetwater says it wonít be in until mid-June. Iím hoping the carrying case will take a couple of inches off the shipping box length so it might barely fit on the back seat. It certainly wonít fit in the trunk of my 12-year-old Camry hybrid.

2. It has to have an adjustable stand with it. If itís put on a standard table or desktop, itís too high. I canít make a regular chair or stool be at the right height even with an added cushion. If itís on a counter top with a taller stool, itís still too high. You either have to have an adjustable stool that goes high enough or a stand at the right height. If Iím going to take this to house parties and other casual venues, Iíll need to bring my stand and stool and not count on being able to set it up anywhere.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 07:57 PM

I put it vertically in the front seat, easy fit.
I use a very cheap gig bag, 1/4 foam padded, not the expensive Casio case. Had it ever since my Kurzweil PC2X days.
I use a QuikLok WS550 stand and it works great. For me, almost any chair works. I use the cheapest little portable keyboard bench they make.


Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 08:24 PM

Just found out that when you change the touch response, it doesn't save it. If I change the touch response to light from normal, then turn the board off, when I turn it back on it's set to normal again. I guess I have to save touch response for each sound to a registration to keep it saved.

Edit: touch response is saved if I turn on Auto Resume. See below.
Posted By: Brad Saucier

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 09:01 PM

Have you tried turning on 'auto resume'?
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 09:20 PM

I was finally able to try both out in NYC yesterday (at a normal height and with sustain pedals).

(I also tried the PX560 which I liked better perhaps somewhat due to 2x2 speakers vs. just 2).

Some things I liked- some of the acoustic pianos were clear and sounded great in the mids and highs.

Because of the design its still weird that the black keys are higher up as the border in back of them where the pianos usually have logos was slim.

However, the speakers get limited when playing bass octaves at mid- volumes - if feels as though the unit is struggling to push air out - vs. my P125 which seems to handle these notes better.

Since I have the P125 as a mobile; I'll likely pass on the 1000 for now
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 09:30 PM

Originally Posted By: LarsHarner
I also tried the PX560 which I liked better perhaps somewhat due to 2x2 speakers vs. just 2
I believe the PX560 as a pair of 2-way speakers, I assumed the PX-S3000 would as well, but I suppose it could have a pair of full range speakers instead...?

When preferring the sound of the PX560, was that acoustic piano sounds, other sounds, or both?

Did you have any preference between the feel of the two actions?
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 09:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Brad Saucier
Have you tried turning on 'auto resume'?
No. I didn't know it existed. I do now. Thank you. I'm still dumpster diving in the manual. Haven't memorized it all yet. I'm still trying to figure how to save registrations and a bunch of other little things.
"You can enable Auto Resume, which will save most settings when power is turned off.
ē If Auto Resume is disabled, turning off power will initialize settings, except for those below.
Tuning, LCD contrast, pairing information (Bluetooth connection logs), expression/assignable pedal type, expression/assignable pedal calibration, touch button sensitivity."
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/10/19 09:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I put it vertically in the front seat, easy fit.
Not in my Camry, while in its shipping box. Probably will fit in the front or back seat while in a soft case.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/11/19 02:20 AM

I am slowly getting stronger with this new action . I do a lot of two handed big chords in continuous tremolo and boogie woogie like on Night Mist Blues by Monty Alexander or Oscar Peterson and I have to do deep breathing to keep it going... this action itís really building me up. The acoustic pianos I variously end up on will be a breeze.
Posted By: LarsHarner

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/11/19 08:40 AM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: LarsHarner
I also tried the PX560 which I liked better perhaps somewhat due to 2x2 speakers vs. just 2
I believe the PX560 as a pair of 2-way speakers, I assumed the PX-S3000 would as well, but I suppose it could have a pair of full range speakers instead...?

When preferring the sound of the PX560, was that acoustic piano sounds, other sounds, or both?

Did you have any preference between the feel of the two actions?


I thought the actions were similar; I would say that given I didn't love the 1000/3000 Rhodes that the 560 ones were more interesting. (I will still have to go back and try these again).

I'm not as familar yet with comparisons between the two- are they intended to have the same acoustic piano sounds?
What I am concluding is that having 4 speakers can be important given less amplification.
Off topic, my P125 is 2x2 and I can hear the difference.
I am one of those who prefers just to turn on and play and not have to connect to external amps.
Although I've never considered a 560 due to the price it is defintely something to consider as well.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/11/19 08:57 AM

Originally Posted By: LarsHarner
I didn't love the 1000/3000 Rhodes that the 560 ones were more interesting. (I will still have to go back and try these again).

Besides the stock EPs in the 560 (which I agree are pretty good), there are also a bunch of good optional EPs programmed by Dave Weiser which you can load into it (available for free download on the casio forum).

Originally Posted By: LarsHarner
I'm not as familar yet with comparisons between the two- are they intended to have the same acoustic piano sounds?

No.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/12/19 11:39 AM

Well I have been tweaking the number 1 Grand piano sound on the Cassio S3000 and decided to play along with the Casio Jazz Trio ,so if you want to check it out go to Mike Lupinetti on you tube , I am playing through my EV ZXA1 speakers and the piano sound to me sounds pretty nice , I do not use any pedal in this song which I Call Grilled Cheese .
Posted By: Sam CA

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/12/19 02:40 PM

Originally Posted By: pianomike
Well I have been tweaking the number 1 Grand piano sound on the Cassio S3000 and decided to play along with the Casio Jazz Trio ,so if you want to check it out go to Mike Lupinetti on you tube , I am playing through my EV ZXA1 speakers and the piano sound to me sounds pretty nice , I do not use any pedal in this song which I Call Grilled Cheese .


Here it is:



But not sure why 'playback on other websites has been disabled by the video owner'.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/12/19 03:09 PM

Thanks Sam , I haven't disabled it maybe some one else did ,I am not very good with computers maybe I did it by accident but you were able to see it , hope you liked it .
Posted By: Sam CA

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/12/19 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: pianomike
Thanks Sam , I haven't disabled it maybe some one else did ,I am not very good with computers maybe I did it by accident but you were able to see it , hope you liked it .


Hi Mike, yes I liked it very much so.

It's a just YouTube setting that you probably checked/unchecked by accident. Only you or someone who has access to your YouTube account can change it.
Posted By: Al Quinn

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 10:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Here is the webinar from last week now transferred over to Youtube. We will be doing another one of these soon.
Hi Mike. I bought my first Casio keyboard (i.e., PX-S3000) last week and am very pleased. Thanks for the webinar. It was very helpful. Great job! Chock full of useful information, always interesting and on point, nice playing, nice use of various video views, and I liked your Yamaha joke smile I'm looking forward to downloading some cool patches from the Casio forum soon.
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 04:32 PM

Prices went up in thread title. I got my 3000 for $800.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: El Lobo
Prices went up in thread title. I got my 3000 for $800.


Our prices didn't change....
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 05:04 PM

Prices didn't change at vendors. Why did prices in thread title change? Gremlins? Poltergeists?
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 05:44 PM

In the USA:

MSRP (Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price):

PX-S1000: $ 899.99
PX-S3000: $ 1,099.99

Street Price (what retailers are actually selling these for):

PX-S1000: $ 599.99
PX-S3000: $ 799.99

The price for the S3000 in the title is even higher than the MSRP!! Whoever changed it should change it again to match reality so that readers don't decide to skip this topic based on pricing that's not even accurate.
Posted By: 16251

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 05:55 PM

Has any recent owners of PX piano messed with string/damper resonance and various noise effects to piano sound? Also how do these settings affect half damping?
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
In the USA:

MSRP (Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price):

PX-S1000: $ 899.99
PX-S3000: $ 1,099.99

Street Price (what retailers are actually selling these for):

PX-S1000: $ 599.99
PX-S3000: $ 799.99

The price for the S3000 in the title is even higher than the MSRP!! Whoever changed it should change it again to match reality so that readers don't decide to skip this topic based on pricing that's not even accurate.

Refer back to the beginning, I believe that was in Canadian dollars or something - weíre all well aware of the US prices.
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 07:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Refer back to the beginning, I believe that was in Canadian dollars or something - weíre all well aware of the US prices.
That math doesn't work. $800 US = $1079 CAN. Fact is the prices were changed in the thread title. It originally said $600 for S1000 and $800 for S3000 and now says $900 and $1200. That's a 50% increase for the S1000 and a 33% increase for the S3000. And it's incorrect. It needs to be changed back.
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: El Lobo
Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Refer back to the beginning, I believe that was in Canadian dollars or something - weíre all well aware of the US prices.
That math doesn't work. $800 US = $1079 CAN. Fact is the prices were changed in the thread title. It originally said $600 for S1000 and $800 for S3000 and now says $900 and $1200. That's a 50% increase for the S1000 and a 33% increase for the S3000. And it's incorrect. It needs to be changed back.

+1
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 08:41 PM

Originally Posted By: El Lobo
. . . And it's incorrect. It needs to be changed back.

Better alert the authorities, this egregious act cannot go unpunished!

Wait - New Zealand dollars, perhaps? crazy
Posted By: MPN21

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 08:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
[/quote] Hi Mike. I bought my first Casio keyboard (i.e., PX-S3000) last week and am very pleased. Thanks for the webinar. It was very helpful. Great job! Chock full of useful information, always interesting and on point, nice playing, nice use of various video views, and I liked your Yamaha joke smile I'm looking forward to downloading some cool patches from the Casio forum soon.
I'm half way into the webinar just to hear the Yamaha joke. I don't know if I missed it... Go Casio!
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 09:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons

Better alert the authorities, this egregious act cannot go unpunished!

Wait - New Zealand dollars, perhaps? crazy
Klingon dollars. Fire the photon torpedoes.
Posted By: Radagast

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 10:16 PM

Hereís an interesting review. The reviewer says Casio didnít hit a bullseye with these pianos, and says why, later on. The first part of the review is positive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT_WIbLp5lI&spfreload=10
Posted By: wd8dky

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 11:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Originally Posted By: El Lobo
. . . And it's incorrect. It needs to be changed back.

Better alert the authorities, this egregious act cannot go unpunished!

Wait - New Zealand dollars, perhaps? crazy


No, Jacinda Ardern wouldn't let that stand. That woman ROCKS!
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/13/19 11:31 PM

I finally got to spend some quality time with the S1000. They didn't have the S3000 yet.

I went to play it simply to get a feel for the board's feel, and not an in-depth audition of the tones.

Remember, I have owned a PX-5S for several years now. My infamous red one.
It is the 88 note controller in my Mainstage/Gig Performer rig.

I don't really use the internal sounds, but it's nice to have the piano tones as backup in case of Computer FUBAR, which has not happened.

I love the PX5S. The keys have a great feel. I really like the surface of the keys. I get along with them just fine, regardless of pivot points, etc.

Okay, that's out of the way:

The PX-S1000 I played was on a solid table type stand. It had the supplied Casio sustain square.

I brought my IEM's with me...nice to have the headphone jack on the front.

My very first impression sitting down and running a few scales from low to high: WOW!

My subjective opinion is that the keybed is an improvement to that of my PX-5S.

There's a solid feeling to them. Most of us who use the PX-5S know the keys can have some sideways movement in them.

Not so in the S1000. The keys are stable.

One thing I liked when I used my old PX350 on stage, was the built in speakers caused enough vibration that, for me, made the finger to ear connection even better, just like playing my Steinway. I could "feel" the piano sounds.

I had already read the manual, so I enabled Speaker OUT so they would play even with my ears plugged in.

Yep, same feeling I liked previously.

I did not spend a lot of time with the various tones. I did run thru the piano tones.
The default Grand, and the Rock Piano were my favorites. I ran thru the back half of Scenes from and Italian Restaurant (piano solo thru "Brenda and Eddie" using rock piano.)

Sounded great.

All in all, my take away: Not just for the price, but for the weight and build, Casio has a winner here. It just felt really, really good, and much better, to me, than my PX-5S, which isn't bad at all.

They had a new PX5S there, so I would go to it now and then, to make sure I wasn't imagining things while comparing.

Last comparisons. I sat down at a new Yamaha CP88, and a Korg Kronos 88.
Great boards. However, they reminded me how much I like the Ivory Feel keys on my PX-5S and my old FA-08. The Yamaha and Korg keys, while wonderfully playable, felt artificially plastic to me. Again, subjective. If someone was to gift me a Kronos 88, I'd take it.

I spent a good hour just playing the S1000 ....after a while I turned the speakers back off to not annoy others with my noodling.

Based on my demo of the keybed itself, I have ordered an S3000 (from this store). It will be here Friday. Can't beat the price, and the extra sounds is a bonus.
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/14/19 12:53 AM

I've just finished my first run of gigs with my 3000. Piano/vocal duo using just piano. Still very happy with it, and have gotten numerous compliments on the sound.
Posted By: Keepitsimple

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/14/19 04:29 AM

I won't be able to test these boards yet hence the local dealer won't have them available till the end of this month or so. BUT i am going to test the Vivo S9 today.

I can't help but stop on this comment i heard on a Youtube video: "The action on the new privias is better than keyboards with 3-4 times the price".

So my question is: Is it better then the S9 keybed for example? I know i'll have my answer once i test both...but i'm just really curious.
Posted By: Manhunter

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/14/19 10:03 AM

Thanks guys for the reviews and video - makes it all more frustrating as UK delivery for the px s3000 has now been pushed back to 8 June.

I've got one on order and was hoping to have it for the bank holiday weekend at the end of May when I've got several gigs lined up. Will have to wait now.

Interesting comments by Jeremy See on his review video; I've currently got a Yamaha P120 and have very rarely gone into the function menus to change anything as I would need the manual on a gig! At least Casio allow you to assign useful functions to the knobs that allows immediate access to tweak - just have to save your own registrations in advance of gigs.

Roll on early June - unless Mike Martin can speed delivery up for me!!!!

Dave
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/14/19 11:04 AM

Dave, it'll be worth waiting for, I promise! Very happy with my S1000. Incidentally, which of the 'small islands' are you on? smile
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 05/14/19 02:10 PM

The titles got changed on 25 March (by Jazz+? It's his post where it changed), but the overall thread title is still correct and as long as people reply to this post and those replies, the price in the "title" will remain correct.

You can always change the Subject on the Full Reply Form...
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 05/14/19 02:20 PM

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
Based on my demo of the keybed itself, I have ordered an S3000 (from this store). It will be here Friday. Can't beat the price, and the extra sounds is a bonus.
What color have you chosen for it? smile
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 05/14/19 02:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
Based on my demo of the keybed itself, I have ordered an S3000 (from this store). It will be here Friday. Can't beat the price, and the extra sounds is a bonus.
What color have you chosen for it? smile


Bright Lime Green
Posted By: PianoManChuck

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($599.99) and S3000 ($799.99) - 05/14/19 03:11 PM

Thanks Joe!
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($599.99) and S3000 ($799.99) - 05/14/19 03:24 PM

I changed it in January.
Posted By: jahfume

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/14/19 08:37 PM

Hi Aidan,
Not being snarky but maybe he lives on Snark?
Anyway soon us Brits will all be living on a small island of the coast of Eu-rup. frown
Posted By: Manhunter

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/15/19 08:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
Dave, it'll be worth waiting for, I promise! Very happy with my S1000. Incidentally, which of the 'small islands' are you on? smile


Hi Aidan - the Wight one! Not heard of Snark Island Jahfume except in Lewis Carroll's writing - did you mean Sark; one of the Channel Islands?

Dave
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/15/19 06:26 PM

facepalm
Posted By: jahfume

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 05/15/19 07:43 PM

My mistake. I meant Sark - getting my Lewis Carroll and Mervyn Peake mixed up!
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/16/19 06:50 PM

I give up.

roll
Posted By: jahfume

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/16/19 08:27 PM

Confused? / Back on topic;
He probably bought a wight S-1000 cause he lives on the Isle of White.
Posted By: djdisbro

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/17/19 11:52 AM

Not certain if this is off topic or not. The manuals don't appear to be on the Casio website yet. The product page reports that the units can be powered by batteries. Can they run on USB power as well?
Posted By: ewall08530

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/17/19 12:48 PM

Originally Posted By: djdisbro
Not certain if this is off topic or not. The manuals don't appear to be on the Casio website yet. The product page reports that the units can be powered by batteries. Can they run on USB power as well?


https://support.casio.com/en/manual/manualresult.php?cid=008021002&keyword=
Posted By: djdisbro

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/17/19 01:57 PM

Originally Posted By: ewall08530
Originally Posted By: djdisbro
Not certain if this is off topic or not. The manuals don't appear to be on the Casio website yet. The product page reports that the units can be powered by batteries. Can they run on USB power as well?


https://support.casio.com/en/manual/manualresult.php?cid=008021002&keyword=


Thanks.
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/17/19 02:03 PM

Originally Posted By: djdisbro
Originally Posted By: ewall08530
Originally Posted By: djdisbro
Not certain if this is off topic or not. The manuals don't appear to be on the Casio website yet. The product page reports that the units can be powered by batteries. Can they run on USB power as well?


https://support.casio.com/en/manual/manualresult.php?cid=008021002&keyword=


Thanks.



No it canít be powered over USB.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/19/19 04:34 PM

I just realized that when using the built in drum machine on the s 3000 that it reacts to your playing .I was using the jazz drummer for back up timing while playing Fly Me To the Moon on my Dexibell and it just kept a straight simple beat ,then I tried playing it on the Casio and the drums were all over the place which was harder to keep in time with but it makes a great practice tool , it also sounds pretty nice .
Posted By: Randelph

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/19/19 06:37 PM

Originally Posted By: pianomike
I just realized that when using the built in drum machine on the s 3000 that it reacts to your playing .I was using the jazz drummer for back up timing while playing Fly Me To the Moon on my Dexibell and it just kept a straight simple beat ,then I tried playing it on the Casio and the drums were all over the place which was harder to keep in time with but it makes a great practice tool , it also sounds pretty nice .


Huh.... following chords is your basic arranger capability, but the rythym following your playing? Examples please!
Posted By: Sam CA

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/19/19 08:47 PM

I haven't used the S3000 arranger features YET.

With full blown arranger keyboards, you can have the rhythm section change based on chord types/performance but even then these variations are all pre-programmed and predictable. I wouldn't expect the S3000 to do this because that's more like advanced arranger features.

I'd be also interested to know more about what pianomike had to say:

"I just realized that when using the built in drum machine on the s 3000 that it reacts to your playing"
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/19/19 08:52 PM

Randelph I don't know for shore but I only got the same straight beat over and over again wen I played the dexibell ,but when I went to play the casio it added some fills to it. I did record the casio and my timing is off but you can here it doesn't stay the same all the way through so my thinking is because its listening to what I am playing , have to find out from Mike Martin for shore , go to mike lupinetti on you tube , Fly Me To The Moon .
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/19/19 10:52 PM

I like the Jazz 01 Steady Jazz Rhythm and itís ride cymbal variation. However, I am sure it does not react to my playing ( that would have been highly touted by Casio if it could do that.) What I do hear is two 8 bar loops that have a variety of different kicks . It always loops the same whether I am playing or not.

I also like the 01 Bossa and the 22 Calypso rhythms.
Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 01:36 AM

Mike, I tried to listen YouTube but while there were several versions, none had rhythm playing that I could find.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 05:44 AM

I will have to try the Dexibell again , maybe I was too busy reading the sheet music ,but I thought the drum sound just kept repeating the same straight beat when not playing the casio . I will just follow the drum beat by itself and see if it does anything different when playing the casio . I might have an over vivid imagination .
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 08:43 AM

Jazzooo , it was the last recording I made so it should be the first one you come to , you should be able to tell I have a Dexibell behind me and a Casio in front of me.
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 08:51 AM

Mike, I wonder if you were triggering something while you were playing. I know for some of the built in patterns on some Casio models it will change based on what you play, but I don't know if a straight drum rhythm would.
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 08:54 AM



I'm not sure what's going on there with the drum partÖ
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 10:00 AM

Thanks Joe for setting that up , The only time I added a variation was to end the song , I know when I was playing with the jazz drummer I was trying to play different left hand and right hand phrases so maybe there is a certain way you can get it to trigger a slight response from the drummer . Jazz , I like the first, second , and I think fourth Jazz drum rhthym,s the last one being the Orchestra Swing Rhthym .
Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 02:43 PM

Ok, I watched it (thanks, Joe). Mike, I donít think youíre going to like what I have to say, but first of allóthe drum intro is crazy busy with all the fills and hits and it would probably throw lots of players off. After that you never really synced up to it properly. Your time is pretty fluid and the Casioís time is the opposite. Itís like a metronomeó it does not sync to you.

I would try to set up or find a simple repeating brush or ride cymbal pattern and get comfortable playing with that first. Playing to a metronome, which this kind of is, is challenging for even the very best players.
Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 02:47 PM

One other thing-I donít have one of these instruments at this time, but isnít there some kind of click before starting, so you know where one is? Just starting with the drum fill seems ridiculous, because it could be starting on one, two, three or four or somewhere in between.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 03:21 PM

I have always had trouble playing in time with a drum machine or a metronome and at the beginning of the song I really don't know where to start so I just try to dive in at the right spot . I haven't had any trouble playing with bands which I played in years ago because they were easy to follow and you can hear where everyone is at , its a little harder when you play a little harder on the piano and you drown out the drums its easy to lose the beat .
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 04:38 PM

The ď IntroĒ for 01 SteadyJazz is an elaborate 12 measure long ďintroĒ. Itís practically a drum solo, I skip it and press Normal play. I donít get why itís so long and busy. I would have made it more practical , 2 or maybe 4 bars long without all the heavy accents and flashy kicks...so, I recommend just pressing Normal and not the Intro. The orange flashing light is always on beat 1. Red light flashes on beats 2 3 4 .
01 Steady Jazz keeps basic quarter note jazz time with brushes and a few modest kicks. It loops two slightly different 8 measure phrases indefinitely.The Variation moves it to a ride cymbal.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 04:43 PM

I think the reason 01 Steady Jazz is the first Rhythm in the Jazz Rhythm Library is because itís the best for accompaniment . It stays out of your way. Most of the other jazz rhythm loops are too busy, they intrude, and are too aggressive, which isnít very realistic feeling. Subtlety is the key for jazz drum loops, imo. So Casio wisely put the least intrusive rhythm loops in the 01 positions for Jazz and Latin.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 04:49 PM

Thanks for the tips Jazz I'll try and follow the light and hit the normal button to start off with .
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/20/19 05:01 PM

For Pop (or funky) #45: Modern R&B is good, it has that natural sounding snare drum, it kind of sounds like a real drummer.

ď08 UK BeatĒ is clean eighths and should be in the 01 position, imo.

ď20: 16 BeatĒ is good and clean 16ths. Itís a go to loop.
Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/21/19 01:32 AM

ďI have always had trouble playing in time with a drum machine or a metronome and at the beginning of the song I really don't know where to start so I just try to dive in at the right spotĒ

I know this is OT for this thread but I watched several of your unaccompanied videos and Iíd like to suggest that this is a worthwhile area to zero in on. If you force yourself to practice with a metronome 10 minutes a day, I feel confidant that you will see and feel improvement within 2-3 weeks, and will really boost your playing to another level in terms of confidence and timing. It will feel terrible at first, but that will get better.

Sorry for the unsolicited advice. I bet 90% of us, including myself, have room for improvement in this area.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/21/19 06:02 AM

Thanks Jazzoo , I know its good advice , I'll see how it works out .
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/22/19 06:49 PM

ďMy favorite amp sim for a clean tone Rhodes in my PX-S3000...Ē

I am realizing the various amp sims have the nicest influence on the S3000ís clean tone Rhodes. Just like Mike Martin mentioned months ago.

I selected DSP 027 Re-Amp 1, and the chose the Fender Twin Reverb 3, listed as ďFD-TWRV3Ē. I like it a lot when I apply it to EP 1 for a clean tone Rhodes. It brings out the single note ďclackĒ sound a clean tone Herbie Rhodes can get. And the Fender Twin Reverb 3 amp has good clarity and balance. Itís my go to Rhodes now.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/22/19 06:58 PM



Iím editing a jazz organ on my PX-S3000.

The Tone I have selected us the GM Organ 2. It has the best B3 Percussion samples in my opinion.
Iíll need the 2 knobs to be Filter and Resonance to act as sort of psuedo drawbars. I am not a fan of the Rotary and won't be using it.

Now, the DSP that has most of the what I need is:

"DSP Drive Amp 2" which consists of the following 4 Modules:

1. Drive (20 types)
2. Tone Ctrl (3 band EQ)
3. Amp Cab (92 types)
4. Tremolo (fully editable)

But, I also need some Chorus found in Function Parameter 9. I need a good edit to immitate the legendary Hammond C3 Chorus-Vibrato sound. I can post my actual settings if folks need them.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/22/19 09:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The Tone I have selected us the GM Organ 2. It has the best B3 Percussion samples in my opinion.

When playing a sampled organ that doesn't support single trigger percussion, I tend to avoid any of the samples that have percussion on them, thy always sound fake. Unless you're only playing non-continuous single-note lines (and your other hand is playing either nothing or another sound entirely on the other side of a split).
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/22/19 09:19 PM

Yes, I always have it split with a different Tone, namely ďOrgan BassĒ. Same setup i use on my Mojo 61
Posted By: Theo Verelst

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/22/19 11:55 PM

Even though making a representative digital recording might not e easy, I would consider it fun to hear edited example sounds from this new machine.

TV
Posted By: asedley

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/24/19 11:21 PM

Jazz+, I'd be interested in your settings for various Hammond, Rhodes, Clav etc - thanks!
Posted By: analogman1

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/25/19 02:00 AM

Played the PX-S3000 today.
Really thought it played and sounded great!
Will definitely pick one up in a few months.
Posted By: Math&Music

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/25/19 09:35 AM

So many good reports on these pianos!
Mike Martin -- any classified information on whether there will be 73-key versions? laugh
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/25/19 02:28 PM

Is it true that when I connect to external speakers, the only way to turn off the built-in speakers is to put a dummy plug in the headphone jack? Isn't there a function to turn off built-in speakers when connecting to external speakers? I want to gig my 3000 and connect to my 2 QSC K8's and control the volume to them with my pedal. But this also changes the volume of the built-in speakers. I want to turn them off. It appears that the only way to turn off the built-in speakers is to put a dummy plug in the headphone jack. This seems a basic design flaw. Or am I missing something?
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/25/19 02:47 PM

Originally Posted By: El Lobo
This seems a basic design flaw. Or am I missing something?
It's not a design "flaw." Lots of Casio models including the Privia line worked this way for years. It's a different design philosophy than you're expecting because of most of the target audience.

For the record, I would like to be able to mute the internal speakers via a menu option myself. It will be interesting to see if and when a PX-5S replacement (Privia Pro) ships based on this design a) will it have internal speakers 2) will they be separately mutable.
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/25/19 03:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
For the record, I would like to be able to mute the internal speakers via a menu option myself.
Eggzackly. There is a menu function to mute or unmute the internal speakers when using headphones. There is no menu function to mute or unmute the internal speakers when connecting to external speakers. This missing menu function is your "different design philosophy" and my "design flaw."

Edit: it means I always have to have a dummy mini-plug in order to gig my 3000. Not a terrible burden, but an annoyance.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/25/19 03:34 PM

Why do you want to mute the internal speakers when connecting external ones? On these designs, I like the physical vibrations from the speakers to the keys, it helps make it feel more real.
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/25/19 03:51 PM

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Why do you want to mute the internal speakers when connecting external ones?
See previous post. I want to control volume of external speakers without changing volume of internal ones. For instance, if I push the volume pedal to the metal to get a very loud organ sound for a brief moment, I don't want the internal speakers to also go to the max. I'd like to have the menu option of turning off the internal speakers when I'm going out to my K8's.

Not a deal-breaker. Just seems like an obvious menu option to have because there's a menu option to turn off internal speakers when using headphones.
Posted By: agitato

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/25/19 07:01 PM

For those that own/use the s1000 and s3000: How sturdy is the right angle power supply unit, when plugged into the piano, is it connected securely?
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/27/19 09:16 PM

Well Jazz , I took your advice using the normal button on the first jazz rhthym and it is a lot easier to stay in time like that , not perfect but I do not think its bad and I have been practicing with a metronome but not on this song , Have You Met Miss Jones .
Posted By: ewall08530

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/27/19 11:28 PM

Originally Posted By: agitato
For those that own/use the s1000 and s3000: How sturdy is the right angle power supply unit, when plugged into the piano, is it connected securely?


Its exactly like the one on the PX5S I've gigged with for 6 years and never had a problem.
To be assured of no problems, the cord from the wall wart is long enough to be wrapped around a leg on your keyboard stand and then plugged in, securing it.
Posted By: Keepitsimple

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 05/28/19 11:19 AM

I finally played the S-1000 today. I have to say i was very impressed with the action. What i liked most about it is the dynamics, the keys "melt" further down when hitting those ff notes, it almost felt like it has escapement.

I have some reservations about the texture of the keys though, i found it a little extreme but i think it's something i get used to. I also wish the "Stage piano" preset was included in the S-1000 as i heard great things about that preset. Either way, if i buy it, it will end up controlling my sample libraries anyway (Keyscape, Ravenscroft etc...).

So far, my favorite actions after a week of testing digital pianos are: S-1000, Dexibell S9 and FP-90.
Posted By: Dockeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 06/06/19 05:19 AM

My S3000 arrived yesterday. No time to seriously dig into into yet but I plan on posting a review of it in the coming week. I plan on using it as a controller in the studio as well as in live scenarios for rehearsals but also looking at using it as a controller for my iPad Pro running various synth apps.

Just plugged the S3000 into Pianoteq and the action is great. Plenty of firmness but not tiring. I had a PX5s and enjoyed the action on that but the keyed has a tendency to move from side to side a little, not so the S3000. Anyway action is lovely, and the very brief exploration of the piano and some other sounds are very good.

I'll post a proper review once I get some extended time with the board. Or if anyone has any specific query feel free to ask or pm me.
Posted By: Al Quinn

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 06/06/19 09:07 AM

Iíve had the PX-S3000 for a few weeks now. Itís working great as a midi controller. My needs are not demanding. So far Iíve been just mapping AP, EP, and B3. The two knobs are very useful. Knob 1 is mapped for patch volume and Knob 2 maps to whatever I decide is most important for each patch (e.g., low mid EQ gain for AP). Patch buttons are mapped to whichever software instruments I want. Sustain and expression pedals map easily. So far, itís all working great and is a blast to play.

The manual is kind of cryptic, but so far Iíve been able to find everything I need.

I wish there was a way to silence the internal speakers other than plugging in headphones. Seems like a miss to me in an otherwise well thought out keyboard.

Iím finding a signal connected to the Audio In sounds good through the PX-S3000 internal speakers but not so good from the PX-S3000 1/4Ē outputs. Has anyone else noticed this? I use the Audio In on the CP4 to connect a second keyboard or laptop without the need for a mixer. Unfortunately, I donít think Iíll be able to do the same with the PX-S3000.

Iíd like to also use the PX-S3000 as a vacation/car travel keyboard. This would be a nice step up from the Yamaha NP-11 I currently use. The PX-S3000 fits across the floor in front of the backseat of my car with very little room to spare. Iím hoping that it will also fit when in itís case (which I donít have yet). B&H shows the case width to be 52.7Ē which would just fit. Can someone with a carry case verify that this dimension is correct?

As a quiet practice DP the PX-S3000 is excellent. Itís fun to play through the internal speakers, battery operation is useful at times, and the keys make very little noise when played.
Posted By: pianomike

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 06/06/19 10:21 AM

Al , you can turn the speakers off from inside the computer , can't remember where , might be the keyboard section or effects section , it somewhere around there , I have a little trouble finding things but I managed to find out how to turn up the on board drum machine which helps me here it better when playing .
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 06/06/19 02:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Knob 2 Ö..(e.g., low mid EQ gain for AP). Ö.


I couldn't find a low mid EQ for Knob 2; Which Knob setting did you select to get that? Is it in conjunction with a specific DSP?

I am using:
Brilliance/Reverb for AP
Chorus/Reverb for Rhodes
Filter/Res for Organ

Speaking of Organ, what other knob settings would be appropriate? I think a combination of filter and rotary control would be good, but I donít think that combination is available, is Rotary even controllable from a knob setting?
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 06/06/19 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Knob 2 Ö..(e.g., low mid EQ gain for AP). Ö.
Speaking of Organ, what other knob settings would be appropriate? I think a combination of filter and rotary control would be good, but I donít think that combination is available, is Rotary even controllable from a knob setting?


Yes - if knobs are set to FX control they default to speed control when a Rotary effect is used.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 06/06/19 06:46 PM

There's control Knob combination settings from 1-14. I'm using DSP 054 Drive/Rotary/EQ which sound great, I like the Rotary setting on this DSP.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 06/06/19 06:56 PM

I see it now, it's Knob setting 14 :DSP Parameters
Posted By: Al Quinn

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 06/06/19 10:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Knob 2 Ö..(e.g., low mid EQ gain for AP). Ö.

I couldn't find a low mid EQ for Knob 2; Which Knob setting did you select to get that? Is it in conjunction with a specific DSP?

I was speaking about using the PX-S3000 as a midi controller. I mapped Knob 2 to the gain on the Low Mid frequency using an EQ provided in Gig Performer to control the Low Mid's on Keyscape's C7 AP and the Scarbee Rhodes. I haven't tried to do this using the PX-3000 DSP for the internal sounds.
Posted By: 16251

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/06/19 11:05 PM

I sold my Yamaha FP4 and Space Station to purchase the PXS3000. Today I picked it up, unfortunately the case and 3x Pedal were not in yet. I think the sound is summed up nicely listening to the internal demos. It's great to hear a different company's samples. ****(Question for Mike Martin. Why isn't the electric piano used on demo 3 the first preset for the electric piano sounds? I need to recreate that sound!)**** Glad I sold FP4, this piano is great. I owned a Privia PX320 10 years ago but sold months later (didn't like action, thought sounds were OK.) This S3000 shows great progress. The action IMO is great. I don't see any issues with the pivot point. Wasn't sure how I'd like the ebony/ivory feel of keyboard but it's a real improvement. I need to get the half damper pedal to determine if the sustain can be messed with. All this for such short money is a monumental accomplishment for Casio. This piano goes with my original calculator watch I still wear occasionally.

This keyboard came out just as I decided to get a keyboard with build-in speakers and was light. At 62, I'm done with schlepping. I actually did a nation-wide search for a FP4. (I sold it cause I wanted a DP with better Rhodes sound. I did like pre-SN acoustic pianos Roland had.) I liked the Space Station but decided it wasn't that great for acoustic piano and usually need more low end. Buying a sub-woofer would of defeated the stereo in one amp premise. I use the GK keyboard amps from 30+ years ago. I like 12" speakers for piano, plus they're build like tanks.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/07/19 03:45 PM

16251,

The best clean tone Rhodes is EP1 but only AFTER you turn OFF its Phaser/Tremolo DSP and save it to a user Registration.

My favorite amp sim is the DSP 027 Re-Amp 1.
I like the Fender Twin Reverb 3 amp, listed as ďFD-TWRV3Ē. It brings out the single note ďclackĒ sound a clean tone Herbie Rhodes can get. It also does some compression and has EQ. Itís my go to Rhodes now. I turn the DSP on when I want some kick and OFF when I want it to be mellow.

I assign Chorus and Reverb to the Knobs. I dig Room 2 Reverb. Hall 1 is too much for me on both Rhodes and Piano.

Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/07/19 06:08 PM

Some new Rhodes and Clavinet tones (saved as registrations) over on CasioMusicForums to download.
https://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/files/category/61-px-s3000/
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/07/19 10:10 PM

I've uploaded my edited Clean Tone Rhodes and two Jazz Organs to the Casio Users Forum:

About This PX-S3000 Registration File:
1. Clean Tone Rhodes in Twin Reverb Amp (Knobs control Chorus/Reverb levels)
2. Clean Tone Rhodes Direct (Knobs control Chorus/Reverb levels)
3. Slow Rotary Jazz Organ (Knobs control Filter/Res levels) SPLIT with Organ Bass
4. No Rotary Jazz Organ (Knobs control Filter/Res levels) SPLIT with Organ Bass

Note: Knobs that control the Filter/Res levels act as pseudo organ drawbars.

Clean Rhodes + Jazz Organs for PX-S3000 by Jazz+
Posted By: Al Quinn

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/08/19 10:46 AM

Mike and Jazz+, thanks for the improved Rhodes

Now how do I get this puppy to bark?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/08/19 12:19 PM

Maybe you could try increasing the Drive (Gain) or try increasing the Touch sensitivity to Light. I personally am not after outright bark. My idea of a clean Herbie Rhodes on the CTI label is not bark, but a little bit of "clack" and overdrive when I dig in. The Fender Twin Reverb Amp sim I selected adds some of that.

Clean Rhodes + Jazz Organs for PX-S3000 by Jazz+
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/08/19 04:57 PM

.

This Fantasy Records live recording captures the classic Rhodes sound at 2:40. Notice it clacks and overdrives slightly on strong accents but never really barks. The notes are full bodied sounding which is really great for soloing.

Posted By: Theo Verelst

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/09/19 02:31 PM

The "New Rhodes:" demo on soundcloud could be listened to (demo) without having to get a login on the Casio site, and ok, that sounds alright, probably the keyboard plays ok and the sound is doable. I;m sure in the longer run the lack of complexity might get boring, but them kids with this keyboard at leas should be able to play a song or two!

T
Posted By: dongna

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/09/19 02:37 PM

I'm very interested in these boards, but just became aware neither have 5-pin MIDI jacks. Is this correct? I've never owned a keyboard without'em... am I being too old-school thinking this is a serious omission for anything other than home use?
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/09/19 02:49 PM

Originally Posted By: dongna
I'm very interested in these boards, but just became aware neither have 5-pin MIDI jacks. Is this correct? I've never owned a keyboard without'em... am I being too old-school thinking this is a serious omission for anything other than home use?

I tend to agree... but a lot of people gig with just a single board and/or never connect to any other MIDI device when gigging anyway, so it could work for them. But yeah, I'd find it to be a significant limitation.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/09/19 03:36 PM

I never connect to a MIDI device these days. I did that in the 80's and 90's and felt it was a hassle. The internal sounds are good quite enough for me now days.
Posted By: Needskeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/09/19 06:10 PM

I think more and more people are connecting to computers rather than midi. I use this board mostly to control vsts but I did use the internal piano sound on a gig the other night...and it sounded quite good.

I do have to adjust to the action a bit but itís only on the occasional chord. If you get too far into the keybed it just doesnít feel Ďquite rightí. The solution seems to be to move your hand closer to the front of the keys on these chords. Itís pretty minor for me but it might be a bigger issue for some.
Posted By: Jazzooo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/10/19 12:38 AM

Iím in the states and had the opportunity to play and S1000 at guitar center today. And I really really enjoyed myself. I wasnít able to access any sound other than the grand piano and the Rhodes, but Iím sure a moment with the manual would have helped me :-) the speakers sounded fabulous, and I think they would be loud enough for my rehearsals with my Latin jazz band. If itís borderline, I would just ask everyone to play a little softer.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/10/19 12:56 AM

Itís not loud enough for a band. You will need some sort of amp, a small crummy one on the floor is enough to reinforce the internal speakers and provide some low end. I use a 17 lb 10Ē Fender bass amp and it sounds superb.
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/10/19 01:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Itís not loud enough for a band. You will need some sort of amp, a small crummy one on the floor is enough to reinforce the internal speakers and provide some low end. I use a 17 lb 10Ē Fender bass amp and it sounds superb.
I'm hoping the speakers on my 3000 will be loud enough for rehearsal with a blues/rock band and a country rock band. Neither band is very loud at rehearsal, but if I have to also lug along 1 of my K8's, it kinda defeats one of the reasons I got the board in the first place.
Posted By: Keepitsimple

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/10/19 06:35 AM

I loved the PXS-1000 action but i can't get over the "overdone" textures everyone is putting on the keys nowadays. Makes me feel i'm playing a toy, which defeats the whole purpose of recreating realism.

Maybe i need to get used to it?

FWIW, i appreciate that Roland didn't go to the extreme with the textures on their PHA-50 action.
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 and S3000 - 06/10/19 10:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazzooo
Iím in the states and had the opportunity to play and S1000 at guitar center today. And I really really enjoyed myself. I wasnít able to access any sound other than the grand piano and the Rhodes, but Iím sure a moment with the manual would have helped me
It's actually pretty simple once you know how. Hold down the Grand Piano button and one of the lowest keys. A0 is the same Grand Piano, there are four more above that, then the electric pianos, then harpsichord (F#1), vibraphone, strings 1 & 2, pipe organ, jazz organ, electric organ 1 & 2 (C2 & C#2).
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/11/19 09:34 PM

Originally Posted By: El Lobo
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Itís not loud enough for a band. You will need some sort of amp, a small crummy one on the floor is enough to reinforce the internal speakers and provide some low end. I use a 17 lb 10Ē Fender bass amp and it sounds superb.
I'm hoping the speakers on my 3000 will be loud enough for rehearsal with a blues/rock band and a country rock band. Neither band is very loud at rehearsal, but if I have to also lug along 1 of my K8's, it kinda defeats one of the reasons I got the board in the first place.
Jury is in. Built-in speakers do not have enough volume for rehearsal with a not-very-loud blues/rock band. I had to send out to the PA.
Posted By: 16251

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/16/19 10:24 PM

I was trying to set up a sound with Rhodes and Pad. Then I wanted to set up the knobs. K1 to control volume of pad and I hoping to use K2 for a DSP. For what I can see if I want to control volume on K1 I can only use K2 for factory setting, which is called Fine Tuning, which is useless for my needs. I assumed when I bought this piano I would be able to direct each knob somewhere of my choosing. facepalm

Hopefully, I'm wrong and someone will point out the correct way to use them.

RANT: Besides having to use pre-designed knob options, there are no factory pre-sets knob settings. For example, when you hit layer button, IMO the knob#1 should default to volume for 2nd sound. Also the first electric piano, IMO should of been the best Rhodes sound and the knobs set to DSP's like chorus, phase or stereo pan. Maybe Casio thinks the first electric piano sound is the most popular around the world. facepalm Having all the knobs set for filter and resonance seems like an easy way to cut programming corners.

Don't get me wrong, this piano is worth twice as much and some real thought went into it and I like it very much. I just wished they went the last 15% when anticipating a player's needs.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) - 06/16/19 10:47 PM

Did a wedding gig with the PX S3000 yesterday. The Grand Piano 01 sounded great. I decided I prefer the EP 1 Rhodes clean tone without the Twin Reverb Amp sim, it was too aggressive. So I am using DSP Stereo 3 Band EQ with a slight High EQ boost for my EP 1. The Knobs are so handy with Chorus/Reverb. (Room 2 Reverb for me)
Posted By: Mike Martin

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/17/19 04:22 PM

Some people have asked me some things privately I thought I share here -

Gigbag - SC800 Slim Privia case availability.
We're doing our best to keep up with backorders. Wait-time on these should not be too long at this point. We've simply sold many more gig bags with these PX-S models than we ever have in the past.

Inventory at Guitar Center
While the PX-S1000 is at all of their stores, the PX-S3000 is planned to only be at some of their locations in the coming weeks. Furniture stands (CS-68) Gig bags (SC800), SP-34 (three pedal option) are special order items for GC stores.
Posted By: zxcvbnm098

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/17/19 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Martin
Some people have asked me some things privately I thought I share here -

Gigbag - SC800 Slim Privia case availability.
We're doing our best to keep up with backorders. Wait-time on these should not be too long at this point. We've simply sold many more gig bags with these PX-S models than we ever have in the past.

Inventory at Guitar Center
While the PX-S1000 is at all of their stores, the PX-S3000 is planned to only be at some of their locations in the coming weeks. Furniture stands (CS-68) Gig bags (SC800), SP-34 (three pedal option) are special order items for GC stores.


I'm stunned that every GC wouldn't have the S3000. Seems like any chain location would stock a keyboard that is $800 and that is so powerful and appeals to the beginner, semi pro and pro alike. I can only assume it has something to do with their Williams house brand, but man that seems dumb to me....
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/17/19 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by zxcvbnm098
I'm stunned that every GC wouldn't have the S3000.

"rational thinking" and "GC" are two things that just don't go together. ūü§£

Casio is lucky (and pleased I'm sure) that GC is carrying three new 88-key models, the CDP-S100, CDP-S350, and the PX-S1000. Depending on the location, some stores can hardly keep the CDP-S100 in stock. It depends on the market. idk
Posted By: Fleer

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/18/19 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Jazz+
Did a wedding gig with the PX S3000 yesterday. The Grand Piano 01 sounded great. I decided I prefer the EP 1 Rhodes clean tone without the Twin Reverb Amp sim, it was too aggressive. So I am using DSP Stereo 3 Band EQ with a slight High EQ boost for my EP 1. The Knobs are so handy with Chorus/Reverb. (Room 2 Reverb for me)

Would these pianos be included in the PX S1000 by any chance?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/18/19 01:34 AM

EP 1 is only included in the S3000 and that's why I bought it.
I also selected the S3000 so that I can record my playing as audio .wav files direct to a USB stick. and I am able to load in classical midi files for weddings.
To get EP1 to sound like a vintage clean tone Fender Rhodes simply disable its DSP. It's default DSP is a heavy Phaser and Tremolo dual effect, I don't want that on a vintage clean tone Rhodes.

The S1000 has the Dyno type EP, not the vintage clean tone type Rhodes..
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/20/19 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by El Lobo
Originally Posted by El Lobo
Originally Posted by Jazz+
Itís not loud enough for a band. You will need some sort of amp, a small crummy one on the floor is enough to reinforce the internal speakers and provide some low end. I use a 17 lb 10Ē Fender bass amp and it sounds superb.
I'm hoping the speakers on my 3000 will be loud enough for rehearsal with a blues/rock band and a country rock band. Neither band is very loud at rehearsal, but if I have to also lug along 1 of my K8's, it kinda defeats one of the reasons I got the board in the first place.
Jury is in. Built-in speakers do not have enough volume for rehearsal with a not-very-loud blues/rock band. I had to send out to the PA.
Had rehearsal with the other band, kinda Americana/country originals. They are not loud at rehearsal. 3000 built-in speakers were not loud enough. Had to connect to PA. Also got low battery signal after about 3 hours and had to plug in. All this defeats the main reason I wanted this board - just put it in the carrying case (just arrived) and take it to rehearsal, whip it out and it's ready to go on batteries and built-in speakers. Carry less gear and have less hassle. Nope. Not gonna happen that way. So it's not a rehearsal board. Still, it's fun to play and I love the feel of the keyboard. It will stay set up in my music room for practicing and working out tunes. Carrying case won't be used much, if at all. Maybe take it to the once-in-a-long-while singing party that happens with friends, as long as it's acoustic. As soon as there are electric instruments or drums, the built-in speakers are not loud enough.
Posted By: Dockeys

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/20/19 10:40 AM

Sorry to hear The px isnít cutting the mustard for your rehearsals but Iím not sure the px series is marketed as having speakers that you can use in rehearsal with other instruments? Iíve used mine a couple of times in a choir rehearsal and even at that Iím nearly up to 100% volume. If I was rehearsing with other musicians Iíd have to bring a small amp at the very least. However Iíve done a jazz trio gig with bass and drums using only the internal speakers of the sx3000 but that was a cocktail reception where we couldnít play too loud. I had the amp on the car but never needed it. Itís marketed as a stage piano but Iíd say itís more living room piano that works well in a live environment if you plug in an amp or into a pa. As for the battery use Iíd only ever use that in an emergency.

Iíll be posting a review of my experience with the sx3000 once I get some down time.
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/20/19 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by El Lobo
Originally Posted by El Lobo
Jury is in. Built-in speakers do not have enough volume for rehearsal with a not-very-loud blues/rock band. I had to send out to the PA.
Had rehearsal with the other band, kinda Americana/country originals. They are not loud at rehearsal. 3000 built-in speakers were not loud enough. Had to connect to PA.

I have found very few boards with speakers that are comfortably loud enough for even an "unplugged" (drumless) rehearsal or solo cocktail hour gig of any decent size. None of the Privias have been (I've played almost Privia series... PX-x00, x10, x30, x50, x60) so I wouldn't have expected different here. Rolands seem better for this... the FP-2 and FP-4 were loud enough (I haven't played their newer replacements, but I would expect the same of at least some of them, especially the FP-90). The Yamaha P-models I've played have not been, but I suspect the P-515 would be. Kawai ES-100/ES-110 were not. Dexibell might be. The least expensive and lightest loud-enough model is probably Kurzweil KA-90 (and presumably its near-twins available under other names). Unfortunately its sounds are poor, but you can put an iPad/iPhone on it and get your sounds from there. If you don't need hammer action, the Casio MZ-X300/500 have nice volume (though not much low end), and the Korg PA1000 is quite nice (I haven't tried the PA700).

Originally Posted by El Lobo
Also got low battery signal after about 3 hours and had to plug in.

The battery life on the PX-S1000 is apparently significantly better than the PX-S3000. Some non-speaker models are good for this as well.
Posted By: ewall08530

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/20/19 11:50 AM

Good reasoning and suggestions from AnotherScott.

The speakers in my S-3000 are sufficient to play a smaller wedding ceremony or rehearsal with my piano/ acoustic guitar duo. I have a Tuesday night gig in a small, sometimes loud bar, that I can cover with the piano speakers on high and plugged into a Roland cube.

I've never owned a piano with speakers that would work alone on any gig or rehearsal where there were drums.

We all have our checklist of requirements.... different strokes...

In your situation El Lobo, I'd sit near the PA and bring 2 cables. Power for the piano and 1/4" to the PA. And there's no way I'd remember to change out the batteries before every rehearsal. Haha.
Posted By: El Lobo

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/20/19 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by ewall08530
In your situation El Lobo, I'd sit near the PA and bring 2 cables. Power for the piano and 1/4" to the PA. And there's no way I'd remember to change out the batteries before every rehearsal. Haha.
Thanks for all the comments everyone. If I were to gig this thing, I'd send outs to my 2 QSC K8's. I never intended to gig the S3000, though. I was just hoping the internal speakers would be enough for not-loud rehearsals. I'll gig my Nord 5D. Perhaps later on when I'm more comfortable finding my way around the S3000, I'll gig it. But stage real estate being what it is, it will have to be on big stages and not the postage-stamp spaces in most of the places I play.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/20/19 10:28 PM

The FP-2 and FP-4 were about the same volume as the Casio.... I used both for many years. Their speakers were not sufficient for playing with a drummer. Not sure where such expectations are coming from about onboard monitor internal speakers. You'll need a little floor amp to be as loud as an upright acoustic piano.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/20/19 11:11 PM

probably more wishful thinking than unrealistic expectations. smile
Posted By: AnotherScott

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/20/19 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jazz+
The FP-2 and FP-4 were the same volume as the Casio.... I used both for many years! Their speakers were not sufficient for playing with a drummer.

I said FP2 and FP4 were loud enough for DRUMLESS "unplugged" rehearsal or cocktail hour. And they were much louder than the Casios, if you turned on the "Sound Control" and "Equalizer" buttons. It was loud enough where the Casios were not. I don't have the figures handy, but I measured them with a dB meter at about 3 feet away, and it was something like mid 80s vs. low 90s. I measured because it seemed so much louder, and I was curious to see what the figures were, they're on the back of some envelope somewhere. ;-) Whatever it was, it was enough to make the difference, very noticeable.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/26/19 02:30 AM

My optimized piano setting is (drum roll...ÖÖÖÖ.)

001 GrPnoConcert
Touch Setting: Light 1
Reverb: Room 2

I find I get a little physically tired playing my 001 Piano on Normal Touch. I don't have to dig in as hard with Light 1. It's also brighter, which I like.
Room Reverb 2 really cleans up the Reverb and makes it sound more present than the default Hall 1 which is too dark for me .
I never use the Sound Mode expansion because it brightens the high end of the piano too much for my ears.

For a clean tone vintage Fender Rhodes I simply defeat the factory DSP effects setting for "EP 1" (default DSP =heavy Phaser and Vibrato) and instead I select DSP "Stereo 3 Band EQ". For more tine simply boost the Hi EQ (5.0kHz) gain by +4. Again I use the great Reverb Room 2.

Very pleased with the sound now!
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/26/19 02:56 AM


Originally Posted by Jazz+
My optimized piano setting is (drum roll...ÖÖÖÖ.)

001 GrPnoConcert
Touch Setting: Light 1
Reverb: Room 2

For a clean tone vintage Fender Rhodes I simply defeat the factory DSP effects setting for "EP 1" (default DSP =heavy Phaser and Vibrato) and instead I select DSP "Stereo 3 Band EQ". For more tine simply boost the Hi EQ (5.0kHz) gain by +4. Again I use the great Reverb Room 2.


Thanks for posting your settings. I'll try them tomorrow!
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) - 06/26/19 05:03 AM

Also for the clean tone vintage Fender Rhodes, I assign the knobs to Chorus/Reverb. Then I reduce the Reverb to almost none and save it as a Registration.
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