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Moog One. The Polyphonic.

Posted By: dsetto

Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/01/18 04:20 AM

16 voice or 8 voice.
Tri-timbral (each with sequencer/arp)
3 new VCO (waveshaping)
2 independent filters: state-variable and Moog ladder
Dual analog variable noise
4 LFO, 3 EG (DAHDSR)
Audio input
61 key, Fatar TP-8S
Digital fx, true bypass
Preset capacity: tens of thousands. “Snapshot” button. Buttons for 64 user-assignable presents.
217 knobs & buttons, touchpad.
45lbs
$8k or $6k
Posted By: analogika

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 05:28 AM

Are you basing this on a newer source than what made the rounds six months ago?
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 05:48 AM

A fairly long time ago Moog asked me to be part of a panel of synth players, composers, sound designers, etc. They sent out a detailed survey and we could dream up our ultimate poly. When I read the specs of the One I felt as though they took the survey very seriously. I can't wait. This is gonna be a bad muthuhfluffer.


Posted By: nickd

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 06:12 AM

Very detailed info now online at Sweetwater:
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MoogOne8--moog-one-8-voice-analog-synthesizer
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 07:37 AM

unbelievable ... canīt wait !

cool

A.C.
Posted By: Tusker

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 07:48 AM

Lovely. love Props to our friends at Asheville. So much like a Memory Moog ....



Hope it has the ability to drift musically when needed, like it's forbear .
Posted By: Radagast

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 08:21 AM

Originally Posted By: analogika
Are you basing this on a newer source than what made the rounds six months ago?


https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2018/10/01/moog-one-polyphonic-synthesizer-now-available/
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 10:43 AM

Damn. A wave of pure, animal lust just washed over me, the likes of which I haven't felt since I was a 12 year old opening my first Playboy.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 11:05 AM

I'll believe it when the MOOG ONE subforum is created on the Moog Music forums.
Posted By: RichieP_MechE

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 11:32 AM

Leaked pics here. It's so purdy love love love

Hopefully this leads to a more affordable $2-3K monotimbral 6 voice poly at some point.

Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 11:43 AM

Can't wait to play Jump on it at Chucks
Posted By: hardware

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 11:59 AM

This is great news and before the whiners start crying about prices, look at Modal or Studio Electronics and notice how Moog found a niche spot.
Sub Oscillator as a 3rd Oscillator only gets you so fat.
This is the TRUE 3 Oscillator synth with a split 8 voice configuration that can rule.

This will be a new powerful version of an OBX-a but with Triple Oscillators.
I’m in if a rack becomes available.
I knew eventually someone would surpass my Code 8.
I’ve made some great layers on my Code. Using the Sub and transpose I get a real fat psuedo 3 Oscillator punch with 4 voices, followed by a slower attack with deeper detune.
3 x 5 Voice layers can be used on the Moog all with different attack transients for some punch and motion.

One of yuze guys break down and buy one so we can hear all about its depth.
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 12:20 PM

I remember a few years ago here, people were saying there would never be another polyphonic Moog. Hmmmmm. w00t

Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 12:21 PM

Originally Posted By: hardware
Sub Oscillator as a 3rd Oscillator only gets you so fat.


This is the best ambiguous "might be a typo, might not" phrase I've seen in ages. And it's true either way!
Posted By: Bobadeath

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 01:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Josh Paxton
Originally Posted By: hardware
Sub Oscillator as a 3rd Oscillator only gets you so fat.


This is the best ambiguous "might be a typo, might not" phrase I've seen in ages. And it's true either way!


I think he really meant fat. We should take bets.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 01:14 PM

Originally Posted By: hardware
One of yuze guys break down and buy one so we can hear all about its depth.


there are guys (maybe gals, IDK) on this forum that saw/heard it already but were under a NDA. Maybe they might chime in here now. smile
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 01:22 PM

My gear lust for this is overwhelming.
See you in the for sale section.
Posted By: hardware

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 01:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Josh Paxton
Originally Posted By: hardware
Sub Oscillator as a 3rd Oscillator only gets you so fat.


This is the best ambiguous "might be a typo, might not" phrase I've seen in ages. And it's true either way!


It does ring of truth either way.
I’m accustomed to 3 Osc monophonic and 2 Osc with a Sub.
I’m always having to work around the tone or octave of that Sub when seeking fatness.
On a 3 Osc there is no seek, fatness is built in...
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 01:25 PM

Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 01:45 PM

Welp. One can dream. Looks beautiful.
Posted By: dsetto

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 01:46 PM

It fulfills the possibility raised by the 61-key XL chassis. And seems like a solid response to “Moog polyphonic?”. I hope it has a long run.
Posted By: CEB

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 01:46 PM

The new one loses some functionality.

The original could be used to heat your house in the winter.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: hardware


This will be a new powerful version of an OBX-a but with Triple Oscillators.



I figured I wasn't the only one who noticed the state-variable filter.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 02:38 PM

I want to hear about how the circuitry is laid out. Surely they can't stuff 16 voices of discrete voice cards in there without significant heat.

So - discrete? thru-hole? SMT? Integrated chips?
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 02:46 PM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
I figured I wasn't the only one who noticed the state-variable filter.


Moog One features two kinds of analog filters —a newly designed multimode State Variable filter for surgical precision and the legendary Moog Ladder filter with selectable 1-, 2-, 3-, and 4-pole lowpass/highpass modes. Between them, the two filters can process sounds — individually or together, in series or in parallel — to deliver a colorful spectrum of vintage, contemporary, and futuristic filter sounds.

Good heavens Sweetwater will start shipping this month! And I'm at the time of my life when I can actually afford it. I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to resist...
Posted By: CEB

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 02:46 PM

Originally Posted By: matted stump
I want to hear about how the circuitry is laid out. Surely they can't stuff 16 voices of discrete voice cards in there without significant heat.

So - discrete? thru-hole? SMT? Integrated chips?


There is hope .... Maybe it can heat my house. Its gonna be cold soon.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 02:49 PM

Originally Posted By: hardware
I’m in if a rack becomes available.

I may not be able to wait that long. Also, I may not be able to afford it anyway. But considering the cost of an 8-Voice vs a Studio Electronics Code 8, YOLO!!!
Posted By: allan_evett

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 02:49 PM

Hopefully Moog has the tuning stability worked out for this one. laugh
(Bad memories of a Memorymoog)
Posted By: hardware

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 02:49 PM

Well Roland actually pulled off discrete audio w/ the SE-02, and the Studio Electronics guys we’re skeptical, but surprised once they heard it.
Me too.
I can’t even tell you how pleased I am.
Just listened to recordings of our group and the SE-02 sounds like a big ass ARP 2600S or a nice modulating Mini Moog using PWM.

Chassis above sure looks like it has room.
I’d still like some cooling fan somewhere.
Also, if there’s no “tuning” option you can be assured they’re fake Oscillators using the Moog Filters and the name.

But actually if it sounds like a tubby ol’ Polyphonic that’s what matters.
Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 02:52 PM

Originally Posted By: RichieP_MechE
Leaked pics here. It's so purdy love love love


What is this power connector? 19VDC? Is that just a model for another continent?
Posted By: TommyS

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 02:58 PM

Major woody,,,,,,,,
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 03:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Bill H.
Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
I figured I wasn't the only one who noticed the state-variable filter.


Moog One features two kinds of analog filters —a newly designed multimode State Variable filter for surgical precision and the legendary Moog Ladder filter with selectable 1-, 2-, 3-, and 4-pole lowpass/highpass modes. Between them, the two filters can process sounds — individually or together, in series or in parallel — to deliver a colorful spectrum of vintage, contemporary, and futuristic filter sounds.

Good heavens Sweetwater will start shipping this month! And I'm at the time of my life when I can actually afford it. I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to resist...


Yeah, I'm just saying nobody commented on the state-variable filter until hardware did... indirectly that is.
Posted By: Mogut

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 03:14 PM

file this one as "never can afford"
Posted By: NBrooks

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 03:18 PM

At least the Prophet X now looks a lot more ‘reasonable’...
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 03:27 PM

Pre-ordered the 8 voice. Narrowing down what to sell to at least mostly pay for it.
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 03:41 PM

8 voices would be a good way to go - especially if you can add 8 voices later if needed. Don't know if it's configured that way...


Congrats Beethree!
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 03:47 PM

Originally Posted By: NBrooks
At least the Prophet X now looks a lot more ‘reasonable’...


Yeah, quite a few competing synths look cheaper all of a sudden. On another forum, somebody was getting reamed for asking if One has MPE support (actually it does). Deckards Dream at $3000-ish with all the options (expansion module with analog FX, CV jacks, etc.) has 8-voice analog poly with MPE.
Posted By: analogika

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 04:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Synthoid



Almost as beautiful as the Memorymoog.

Well done, Moog.
Posted By: marino

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 04:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Damn. A wave of pure, animal lust just washed over me, the likes of which I haven't felt since I was a 12 year old opening my first Playboy.
I know what you mean. grin grin

Jokes aside, I'm floored. They seem to have thought of everything. SV *and* ladder filters. Symmetry control on Tri/Saw waves. Even programmable envelope curves!
If it sounds as good as it looks (and its specs), it could be considered the ultimate analog synth. No chance i can afford one in the foreseeable future, of course... but it's good to see the analog craze peak at this level of excellence. I think Bob Moog would be proud.
Posted By: Jim Alfredson

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 04:32 PM

It's gorgeous. Anybody need a kidney?
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 04:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Jim Alfredson
It's gorgeous. Anybody need a kidney?


rimshot grin
Posted By: paulkondig

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 05:08 PM

Looks similar to the MemeoryMoog
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Mogut
file this one as "never can afford"


Just wait a couple years for the Behringer clone... $2495.

Posted By: Mogut

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Synthoid
Originally Posted By: Mogut
file this one as "never can afford"


Just wait a couple years for the Behringer clone... $2495.



lol Doh!!!

i dunno... 6k for space sounds, i just can’t justify it.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 05:57 PM

Just looked at the panel pics. Impressive, impressive voice specs. The Mooginess is overwhelming.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 06:00 PM

How's the piano sound? :-)
Posted By: Synthaholic

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 06:08 PM

Why do you think they went with the TP8S instead of the TP9S that’s on Voyager and MiniMoog?
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 06:08 PM

Four years ago my wife received a lovely vintage diamond ring for our 25th anniversary. I didn't get anything. She owes me. smile
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 06:25 PM

Oh, and it does that one thing I insist on out of a polysynth...I’m doomed!!!
Posted By: scottasin

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 06:25 PM

its everything I could ever hope for in a polysynth. its gonna be a looooong time before you see me dropping that kind of coin on a synth, though.
Posted By: CEB

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 06:28 PM

It's cheaper than the Schmidt.
Posted By: RichieP_MechE

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 06:36 PM

Originally Posted By: MAJUSCULE
Originally Posted By: RichieP_MechE
Leaked pics here. It's so purdy love love love


What is this power connector? 19VDC? Is that just a model for another continent?

That's a 4 pin connector for a DC line lump power supply. I imagine it will use the same one as the Model D reissue - Moog power supply
Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 07:27 PM

Interesting, thanks Rich. I think I may have seen a similar thing on a mixer before.
Posted By: Nathanael_I

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 07:47 PM

Wow. It's quite impressive and clearly geared for live performance.... So well specified - and a state-variable filter too.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 08:04 PM

Preordered the 8 voice. Shipping on 10/24. I figure I can cancel if something turns me off in upcoming demos, or if selling some other keys to finance it does not go as planned.
My other concern is that I will regret not waiting until I could get the 16 voice. Word is that there will not be an upgrade available. I think that will cost them some sales.
Posted By: CowboyNQ

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 08:22 PM

Very attractive. Reminds me of another classic:

Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Synthoid

Just wait a couple years for the Behringer clone... $2495.


Cīmon,- you mean $249.50 ... no ?

A.C.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 08:33 PM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
Four years ago my wife received a lovely vintage diamond ring for our 25th anniversary. I didn't get anything. She owes me. smile


you say "vintage" above ... wink

I see a vintage Memorymoog Plus at best then,- no LAMM ... all original incl. all the,- (cough ...) "advantages".

grin

A.C.
Posted By: Shamanczarek

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 09:04 PM

Looks like it's time to sell the Prophet 5. That should cover most of the cost of the Moog.
Posted By: Mighty Motif Max

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 09:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: Synthoid

Just wait a couple years for the Behringer clone... $2495.


Cīmon,- you mean $249.50 ... no ?

A.C.


Stolen from Facebook...

"Behringer just teased an image of the alleged Boog One prototype."



For some reason Sweetwater seems to have violated their NDA way ahead of time... laugh
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 09:33 PM

Originally Posted By: hardware

This will be a new powerful version of an OBX-a but with Triple Oscillators.


Do you expect it will sound like a Oberheim just because it has a SVF in addition to the MOOG ladder ?
It would be really cool if it does, but I always thought there was a bit more patented magic in the Oberheim filter design.

Originally Posted By: hardware

I’m in if a rack becomes available.


Iīd buy the keyboard version WHEN ...:

a)
It is reliable,- at least as reliable as a LAMM is.

b)
warmup time isnīt too long and VCOīs tuning stability is good after warmup

c)
MIDI implementation is complete

When it provides "buttery" MOOG sound and "oberheimish" sound in addition, the investment for the 16-voice version makes sense since itīs tri-timbral.
I imagine a 7-voice dual-layer polysynth-part using SVF,- and monophonic lead- or bass-synth parts using MOOG ladder. cool

OTOH, I doubt it will sound like a Minimoog D and also not like a Taurus III or Minitaur.

For the time being, I guess itīs a "chipsynth" like Memorymoog, now using the re-issues of CEM 3340, 3360 and 3310.
Nothing discrete,- but for sure it will be a beast nonetheless.
I wonder how far Rudi L. might be involved for firmware/OS and all MIDI.

Anyway, it all depends on how it will sound TODAY.

A.C.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 09:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda


I wonder how far Rudi L. might be involved for firmware/OS and all MIDI.


A.C.


Fairly certain he's not involved at all.
Posted By: humannoyed

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 10:32 PM

Can't wait to hear this beast!
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 11:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Originally Posted By: Al Coda


I wonder how far Rudi L. might be involved for firmware/OS and all MIDI.


A.C.


Fairly certain he's not involved at all.




agreed. wink

Originally Posted By: humannoyed
Can't wait to hear this beast!


agreed. smile
Posted By: Radagast

Re: Moog One. - 10/01/18 11:55 PM

Finally! Old synth manufacturers making extremely expensive polyphonic analog synths. Just like the good old days in the 1970s.
Posted By: newkeys

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 01:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Radagast
Finally! Old synth manufacturers making extremely expensive polyphonic analog synths. Just like the good old days in the 1970s.


“A man’s reach should exceed his grasp, or what’s a heaven for?”

- Some dead guy
Posted By: Ockeghem

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 09:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Cower, Boy! NQ
Very attractive. Reminds me of another classic:


I think I rode in one of those in the sixties. The last row of seats faced backwards, right? I guess that's where they put the keyboardist during tailgate parties.
Posted By: jverghese

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 09:38 AM

Originally Posted By: Synthaholic
Why do you think they went with the TP8S instead of the TP9S that’s on Voyager and MiniMoog?
The TP/9S has very short keys (close pivot point), which makes it hard to play at the back of the keys. The standard Pratt Reed keyboards of the '70s were much better in that sense, and so is the TP/8S.

I believe the only reason manufacturers use the TP/9S is that it is available in 37, 44, and 49 note versions in addition to 61, and it also uses less space depth-wise. Otherwise the TP/8S seems to be superior in every way.

-joachim
Posted By: Bucktunes

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 10:10 AM

Originally Posted By: humannoyed
Can't wait to hear this beast!

Now that the cat is out of the bag, I can admit I have seen and heard it. cool love During Sweetwater's Gearfest Moog had a private preview of it by invitation only, in a fairly secluded room behind temporary walls. Five guys at a time would come in and listen on headphones to a guy playing a prototype of it.

Apparently I've spent enough on synths at Sweetwater over the years to get an invite, but with the agreement that I say nothing about it until it's officially released.

To say the absolute least, it sounds freakin' incredible! twothumbs I can't wait for next year's Gearfest and hopefully get to play one. drool
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 12:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Bucktunes
Originally Posted By: humannoyed
Can't wait to hear this beast!
can't wait for nest year's Gearfest and hopefully get to play one. drool


Hey Steve, I knew you were there but I didn't know you didn't play it since we couldn't discuss anything. Too bad.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 12:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Bucktunes
Originally Posted By: humannoyed
Can't wait to hear this beast!

Now that the cat is out of the bag, I can admit I have seen and heard it. cool love During Sweetwater's Gearfest Moog had a private preview of it by invitation only, in a fairly secluded room behind temporary walls. Five guys at a time would come in and listen on headphones to a guy playing a prototype of it.

Apparently I've spent enough on synths at Sweetwater over the years to get an invite, but with the agreement that I say nothing about it until it's officially released.

To say the absolute least, it sounds freakin' incredible! twothumbs I can't wait for nest year's Gearfest and hopefully get to play one. drool


Can you speak to the sound a little bit? Does it sound Minimoog like in unison mode? And does it sound Oberheim like using the State Variable Filter? I think I am keeping one or the other of my Voyager and OB-6. Any other subjective impressions would be more than welcome!!!!!!
Posted By: vonnor

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 12:52 PM

Likely in a couple years on a 48month financing deal, AFTER I get the current acct paid off.

Hope it sounds as good as it looks.

~ vonnor
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 01:55 PM

Originally Posted By: jverghese
The TP/9S has very short keys (close pivot point), which makes it hard to play at the back of the keys. The standard Pratt Reed keyboards of the '70s were much better in that sense, and so is the TP/8S.

I believe the only reason manufacturers use the TP/9S is that it is available in 37, 44, and 49 note versions in addition to 61, and it also uses less space depth-wise. Otherwise the TP/8S seems to be superior in every way.

-joachim


Great info, thx !

I find the TP/9S on my Kurzweil PC3 very playable but Iīd also appreciate any improvement.
I see J.B. Solaris uses the TP/8S, so it should be excellent.

A.C.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 01:57 PM

I can now admit that I haven't seen nor heard it. But I can say with certainty that it sounds unnatural- almost synthetic. It's as if it generates sound using varying voltages and currents idk.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 02:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Beethree

Does it sound Minimoog like in unison mode?


A bit irritating question because a Minimoog D doesnīt offer any unison mode at all.
So,- and at least to my ears, no synth in unison mode sounds like a Minimoog D.

The strength of the Minimoog D is, it still sounds fat enough with only ONE (1) OSC in use, which IMO is the result of a discrete OSC and VCF design.
So for me, thatīs the test,- and I donīt believe it will sound like a Minimoog D when itīs a chipsynth using the CEM 33xx OSC and filter.

And on the Minimoog, there are the filter keyboard tracking rocker switches (OFF/ 33%/ 66% / full) and I cannot find any filter tracking pot or switches on the MOOG One.
Maybe Iīm blind ...

Can it be itīs the area below the display labeled "keyboard control" (On/Range: Low/High)?
Iīm unsure because that can also be related to the "Synth # 1, 2, 3" focus buttons to the left of that area.

A.C.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 03:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: Beethree

Does it sound Minimoog like in unison mode?


A bit irritating question because a Minimoog D doesnīt offer any unison mode at all.
So,- and at least to my ears, no synth in unison mode sounds like a Minimoog D.

A.C.


Allow me to rephrase. Can The One, when IT, meaning the One, is in Unison mode, which we know it has, sound vaguely like a Minimoog of some variety, which being as we all know, monophonic, does not have nor would it make sense to have, a unison mode?

Even more specifically, can a single 3 oscillator voice, using the ladder filter, become a convincing Moog mono-synth to the extent that it could functionally supplant a mini in one's arsenal?
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 03:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Beethree


Even more specifically, can a single 3 oscillator voice, using the ladder filter, become a convincing Moog mono-synth to the extent that it could functionally supplant a mini in one's arsenal?


If the answer is no, will you cancel your preorder? wink
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 03:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
[quote=Beethree]

The strength of the Minimoog D is, it still sounds fat enough with only ONE (1) OSC in use, which IMO is the result of a discrete OSC and VCF design.
So for me, thatīs the test,- and I donīt believe it will sound like a Minimoog D when itīs a chipsynth using the CEM 33xx OSC and filter.

A.C.


That's twice you have claimed that the Moog One uses CEM chips. From what I have heard, that's incorrect.
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Originally Posted By: Beethree


Even more specifically, can a single 3 oscillator voice, using the ladder filter, become a convincing Moog mono-synth to the extent that it could functionally supplant a mini in one's arsenal?


If the answer is no, will you cancel your preorder? wink


I think I see where Beethree is going with this. He's probably wondering if he should sell his Voyager to partially finance his Moog One.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 03:59 PM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Originally Posted By: Beethree


Even more specifically, can a single 3 oscillator voice, using the ladder filter, become a convincing Moog mono-synth to the extent that it could functionally supplant a mini in one's arsenal?


If the answer is no, will you cancel your preorder? wink


No.....but I am very curious about whether I could sell my Voyager and not miss it that much, as opposed to selling other gear. I would not do that without having had it in my hands. I will only cancel the preorder if the demos turn me off. Barring that it is at least worth the potential of losing the shipping costs to try it with the possibility of returning it. If this can take the place of 2-3 other synths, along with selling some unused recording gear, it is financially viable for me, with little or no extra cash outlay. I'll need to be blown away. I feel like I will be, but it is not like I am diving in with no way out. It is more likely to get close to a Voyager than a Model D in tone, I am guessing.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 04:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Bill H.
Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Originally Posted By: Beethree


Even more specifically, can a single 3 oscillator voice, using the ladder filter, become a convincing Moog mono-synth to the extent that it could functionally supplant a mini in one's arsenal?


If the answer is no, will you cancel your preorder? wink


I think I see where Beethree is going with this. He's probably wondering if he should sell his Voyager to partially finance his Moog One.


Exactly that. But I'd have to play it first. I do like my Voyager quite a bit, especially after having the slew rate mod done, and discovering the joys of putting an Xotic EP boost pedal in the pre-filter insert. It is like a whole new instrument for me lately. But that is a separate topic. I have some gear that I am definitely selling, and then trying to figure out what else out of the "maybe" column. I've enjoyed amassing keyboards little by little through the years, but the idea of both downsizing and upgrading at the same time without spending too much cash is appealing. For all I know, this instrument will be a lemon and it will all be moot, but I have high hopes.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Originally Posted By: Beethree


Even more specifically, can a single 3 oscillator voice, using the ladder filter, become a convincing Moog mono-synth to the extent that it could functionally supplant a mini in one's arsenal?


If the answer is no, will you cancel your preorder? wink


No.....but I am very curious about whether I could sell my Voyager and not miss it that much, as opposed to selling other gear. I would not do that without having had it in my hands. I will only cancel the preorder if the demos turn me off. Barring that it is at least worth the potential of losing the shipping costs to try it with the possibility of returning it.


That's a reasonable question to ask.

I have not seen any indication of the Voyager oscillator design being used in The One. At least not like Grandmother where Moog Music clearly stated where each component was derived (VCA from Moog 902 module, filter from Moog 904 module, etc.). The VCOs in the Voyager, the Sub Phatty/37, and Grandmother are all different from one another, from what I've heard.

This may not even be a close comparison but if I had Mark's Memorymoog and his Voyager in my house, and I had to give one of them back, I'd probably give back the Voyager and be ok using Memorymoog do play leads, partly because, well the Memorymoog would let me play a wider variety of chords, and I'm not that picky about "authentic Model D tone". Ok, I admit the real reason is because of the cool custom LEDs that Mark installed wink.
Posted By: Bucktunes

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 06:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
Can you speak to the sound a little bit? Does it sound Minimoog like in unison mode? And does it sound Oberheim like using the State Variable Filter? I think I am keeping one or the other of my Voyager and OB-6. Any other subjective impressions would be more than welcome!!!!!!


1. Unfortunately the guy playing it...well, let’s say he wasn’t an accomplished keyboardist. wink He was mostly noodling and tweaking the sound. But that was enough to hear that it sounded terrific! smile

2. As we all know, nothing really sounds exactly like a Minimoog except a Minimoog. That’s why Moog was wise enough to round up parts and re-release it a few years ago. For which I’m grateful. I’ve had mine for almost a year now. I’ll give it up when they peel my cold, dead fingers off it! laugh

3. Again, I didn’t hear any direct imitations, but I’m sure it could sound like an SEM based Oberheim on steroids. We’ll need to hear some demos. cool

4. Honestly, I’d say it would easily make either or both of them redundant, especially in 16 voice form. To say it’s a polyphonic Voyager would be an understatement, considering the voice architecture goes beyond that of the Voyager. And between the filters, modulation routings,and 3 oscillators, I’m sure it could cover any sound the OB6 can do. cool

The big question might be; Are you doing gigs that pay well enough to justify bringing such a valuable synth? I doubt I would take mine out of the house if I owned one! laugh
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 08:19 PM

Thanks for the thoughtful and informative answer!!!!

I used "Minimoog" earlier as the umbrella semi-generic term, which would include the Voyager, as opposed to "Model D", which is of course the classic Minimoog, and the gold standard for raw tone. I would not expect it to nail that, nor would that necessarily translate into a great poly. Just looking for it to be in the same area code.

I will use it live some, although most of my gigs are of the piano/organ variety. I am concerned that I will be kicking myself in the ass down the road for not biting the bullet and getting the 16 voice. I think that is the one thing besides bad demos that could make me cancel my pre-order and wait a few months.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/02/18 11:54 PM

Originally Posted By: matted stump
Originally Posted By: Al Coda
...,- and I donīt believe it will sound like a Minimoog D when itīs a chipsynth using the CEM 33xx OSC and filter.

A.C.


That's twice you have claimed that the Moog One uses CEM chips. From what I have heard, that's incorrect.


I didnīt claim itīs a chipsynth like Memorymoog was.
In a former post I said I guess it is,- and above I said "when it is a chipsynth".

Nonetheless, your info is welcome if true.
When I used my other analog polysynths in the past, the Memorymoog was not the one I wanted in addition.
So,- WHEN (I repeat myself ...) itīs NOT a chipsynth throughout, I wonīt be sad and disappointed.

And now tell me whatīs correct,- please.

smile

A.C.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 12:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Bill H.

I think I see where Beethree is going with this. He's probably wondering if he should sell his Voyager to partially finance his Moog One.


I also asked myself if it makes sense selling my vintage Minimoog D w/ LMC and Oberheim Xpander,- both w/ accessories, cases and spare parts,- and my obsolete vintage Roland MPU-101 as well.
I`d trade in 7 voices for 16.
It all depends on functionality and sound,- and in my age I want less gear doing more work instead collecting gear needing more and more care.

Well, thatīs the theory ...
At the end of the day, I wanna keep my oldies and want the new in addition.
Call it doom.

A.C.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 12:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Beethree


... can a single 3 oscillator voice, using the ladder filter, become a convincing Moog mono-synth to the extent that it could functionally supplant a mini in one's arsenal?


Who can tell ? Itīs so subjective.

When comparing a 3 OSC voice,- all OSCs on in the mixer,- of a Minimoog (D and/or Voyager) w/ p.ex. a Memorymoog 3-OSC voice (unison OFF),-. thatīs a different story vs. comparing a Minimoog voice,- only 1 OSC active,- w/ a Memorymoog and only 1 OSC active too.
Have in mind filter adjustment and envelope setting should be close to identical too (if possible at all).
Iīm not a big fan of stacking all OSCs and the more OSCs are active and (slightly ?) detuned, the more it masks the tone quality.
That is when all say itīs "fat",- and itīs nothing more than beating saw-waves and an open filter.

Now it depends on what you expect.
Do you want the MOOG One win a direct side-by-side comparison or do you want to make it work in the (your) music, possibly even better than the gear you plan to sell ?

And if itīs music,- which ?
Or is it sounddesign ?

IMO, for many (if not most) musicians, it might do almost everything synth-wise,- but for a musician doing "all synth" electronica, avantgarde or whatever,- and the sounddesigner as well, it might be just another new synth and not a replacement for what exists already.

We have many possibilities today ...
They say the Behringer D nails the "raw" Minimoog tone well.
I dunno if it really does,- but I recognize the MOOG ONE has some CV I/Os in addition to MIDI.
They obviously had modular- and eurorack-systems in mind too.
I imagine MOOG ONE controls a Behringer D via CV w/ ease and possibly better than via MIDI (because of the Behringer Dīs poor MIDI implementation).

wink

A.C.
Posted By: Doc Tonewheel

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 09:49 AM

2018 - Moog One released - $7999.00 list
2028 - New multidimensional synthesis method-based synth released by Yamaha - everyone sells their Moog One for $800
2033 - Everyone now thinks multidimensional synthesis sounds too thin, sterile, and sounds are overused. Keyboardists long for warm analog sounds
2024 - Vintage Moog Ones now selling for $25,000

Seriously though, hope is sounds as good as it looks and its specs say.
Posted By: TechEverlasting

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 11:38 AM

I could see buying the 8-voice One even if it will never be upgradeable to 16 voices. Anyone who has ever played a Memorymoog can attest to how huge and thick six-voice 3 oscillators chords can sound. I borrowed a Memorymoog for a few weeks years ago and I never once wished for more voices on the thing.

An eight voice Moog One should be able to produce a monophonic bass and and a monophonic lead and still have the full Memorymoog polyphony left over for chords/comping etc. Separate audio outs for each element as well! Is that really not enough?
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 11:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda

It all depends on functionality and sound,- and in my age I want less gear doing more work instead collecting gear needing more and more care.


That's pretty much where I'm at, other than the needing more care part, since I am selling off newer things. If it can kinda sorta replace a few other boards for my needs, it is essentially a trade, maybe with a small cash outlay. I'm trying not to sell anything vintage, rare, difficult to replace, or fundamental to my existence. smile But if I can ditch a few modern mono synths and some assorted other gear and get this thing that might be my main synth for years, it seems like a no brainer. I also may decide that the Moog One sounds like crap and I don't want it. I doubt that, but its possible. The verbal reports have all been extremely positive. What I expect is that Moog One::MemoryMoog =Voyager::Model D. Lacking some of the rawness of tone that made its predecessor so beloved, but with a ton of modern features. In this case, the mod matrix, Eventide reverbs, effects including vocoder, multitimbrality, new oscillators with analog wave shaping, SVF.....

On the other hand, I spent a couple of hours playing my OB-6 through an Eventide H9 box last night, and I'd be reluctant to part with that combo anytime soon.

All this obsession from someone who is primarily a piano/organ player. smile
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 11:53 AM

Things I really want to know:
1. How does the voice allocation work between the 3 voices? If this was highly configurable it would go a long way towards making 8 voices sufficient. Say allocate one voice each to 2 "synths", and the other 6 to the 3rd. Or allow dynamic allocation between
"synths" so you can have 2 fully voiced poly sounds up at once. Or what have you...

2. Are the effects addressable in the Mod Matrix? Would be very nice and would set it apart from a synth with no FX plus external boxes.

3. Very curious as to what the plans for the LAN jack are.

4. I've heard from people that it is both MPE compatible and responds to poly aftertouch via midi. I have not seen anything official about either of these yet.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 12:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: Beethree

Does it sound Minimoog like in unison mode?


So,- and at least to my ears, no synth in unison mode sounds like a Minimoog D.


I beg to differ. The Memorymoog has the option to pull off unison with anywhere from one to all six voices. With it set to a single voice, it does a very good Minimoog emulation. And I don't make that statement lightly.

Polysynths with unison mode are cool, but few offer the option to get unison down to one voice.

Quote:
I cannot find any filter tracking pot or switches on the MOOG One.


Same here, must be buried in the menu system.

One other feature I was looking out for: I don't see a button for setting VCO3 in LFO mode. Combined with keyboard tracking, that was a powerful feature of the Memorymoog. Hopefully one of the LFOs can track the keyboard.

I'm saving $$$ for one of these... it looks like a beast.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 12:44 PM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: Beethree

Does it sound Minimoog like in unison mode?


So,- and at least to my ears, no synth in unison mode sounds like a Minimoog D.


I beg to differ. The Memorymoog has the option to pull off unison with anywhere from one to all six voices. With it set to a single voice, it does a very good Minimoog emulation. And I don't make that statement lightly.

Polysynths with unison mode are cool, but few offer the option to get unison down to one voice.

Quote:
I cannot find any filter tracking pot or switches on the MOOG One.


Same here, must be buried in the menu system.

One other feature I was looking out for: I don't see a button for setting VCO3 in LFO mode. Combined with keyboard tracking, that was a powerful feature of the Memorymoog. Hopefully one of the LFOs can track the keyboard.

I'm saving $$$ for one of these... it looks like a beast.


Keep in mind that there are 4 LFO's so no need to use the 3rd OSC. I would guess that keyboard tracking is an assignable source in the mod matrix, as it is on some other synths.
Posted By: TechEverlasting

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 12:48 PM

I have a feeling this might be a dumb question, but what does it mean to have unison mode in one voice? Isn't unison mode forcing multiple voices to play the same sound on the same note at the same time?

Is this just having polyphonic synth being able to play in monophonic mode?
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/03/18 01:05 PM

Not a demo, but some good closeups of the unit:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da2jKf_cCRA


Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 01:06 PM

Originally Posted By: TechEverlasting
I have a feeling this might be a dumb question, but what does it mean to have unison mode in one voice? Isn't unison mode forcing multiple voices to play the same sound on the same note at the same time?

Is this just having polyphonic synth being able to play in monophonic mode?


Yes, and I think I've been misusing "unison" in that context, when I really mean monophonic. The newer DSI synths allow you to specify the number of voices when in unison mode, which is always monophonic, so I think in those terms.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 01:37 PM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC


I'm saving $$$ for one of these... it looks like a beast.


Not me. I refuse to spend that kind of money only to have to upgrade again 35 years from now. Python
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC


I'm saving $$$ for one of these... it looks like a beast.


Not me. I refuse to spend that kind of money only to have to upgrade again 35 years from now. Python


It will never need an upgrade with those cool waveform scopes.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 01:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
One other feature I was looking out for: I don't see a button for setting VCO3 in LFO mode. Combined with keyboard tracking, that was a powerful feature of the Memorymoog. Hopefully one of the LFOs can track the keyboard.


Keep in mind that there are 4 LFO's so no need to use the 3rd OSC. I would guess that keyboard tracking is an assignable source in the mod matrix, as it is on some other synths.


I had the same thinking, that's what the Andromeda does.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 02:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
Things I really want to know:
1. How does the voice allocation work between the 3 voices? If this was highly configurable it would go a long way towards making 8 voices sufficient. Say allocate one voice each to 2 "synths", and the other 6 to the 3rd. Or allow dynamic allocation between
"synths" so you can have 2 fully voiced poly sounds up at once. Or what have you...


There is a Polyphony knob to set each section from 1 voice to 16.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC


I'm saving $$$ for one of these... it looks like a beast.


Not me. I refuse to spend that kind of money only to have to upgrade again 35 years from now. Python


It will never need an upgrade with those cool waveform scopes.


Yeah, they do seem a little gimmicky at first but as long as they reflect the post modulation parameters they could prove interesting and even useful at times. I'm actually waiting on the next shipment of Mordax scopes for my modular. Btw if I were purchasing a One it would be contingent on schematics up front. Pretty sure Moog wouldn't give a crap about losing a sale but no way I'm searching the world for these...again.
Posted By: David Emm

Re: Moog One. - 10/03/18 07:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Synthoid
I remember a few years ago here, people were saying there would never be another polyphonic Moog. Hmmmmm. w00t


I'm one of them and I'd say so more clearly if my mouth was not full of barbecued crow. Analog has been rising steadily like Godzilla rising from the bay. I'm very pleased to be this kind of wrong. Seriously, if I had a Moog One, I'd have to table everything but Logic for a year. Its a given that it will sound good, but its the kind of instrument you can set up alone, like a DX5, Solaris or Steinway. Our mini-studios are a fine thing, but certain instruments can fly solo at a whole different level. Some synths smell like plastic; this one smells like polished teak and fine scotch. I can't even GAS over it. I'm too dazzled. love
Posted By: Nathanael_I

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 01:43 AM

Composer Charlie Clouser's take HERE

An interesting counterpoint from someone who owned not one but THREE MemoryMoogs at once!

The first day, I was ready to sell my Model-D to fund this. Then I thought, but what if it doesn't replace it, but does something different? And that's when I realized that I was in no rush to get the first one or the 100th one. This will be in production a while.

It is an amazing time to like synthesizers! From the Schmidt, to Moog One, to the Quantum, to the Prophet-X, Modal stuff, Dave Smith stuff, and then all the new digital modular stuff, Omnisphere, and so much more. What a great time!
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 08:35 AM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC


The Memorymoog has the option to pull off unison with anywhere from one to all six voices. With it set to a single voice, it does a very good Minimoog emulation. And I don't make that statement lightly.

Polysynths with unison mode are cool, but few offer the option to get unison down to one voice.



I said:

Minimoog (voyager or D) > 1 OSC active only

Memorymoog/ MOOG One (as examples) > 1 OSC active only ... now compare sound.

YES, the polysynth should be set to monophonic for similar playability.

So, weīre talkinī about the same s##t.

Thereīs no need to have a "unison" option for that comparison.

A.C.
Posted By: engineerjoel

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 11:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
[quote=The Ghastly MC]

The Memorymoog has the option to pull off unison with anywhere from one to all six voices. With it set to a single voice, it does a very good Minimoog emulation. And I don't make that statement lightly.

Polysynths with unison mode are cool, but few offer the option to get unison down to one voice.




Yes, I know for sure that both the OB-8 and Prophet 5 allow you to manually turn-off voices so you can actually play a unison, one-voice patch. I often turn-off voices on my OB-8/P5. It's quite refreshing to do this..reminds me a bit of my first mono synth--The Arp Axxe.

Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/04/18 11:30 AM

Official announcement Monday with video demo... or so I've been told.

rockit
Posted By: cphollis

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/04/18 11:42 AM

All of the sudden, my gear lust for the Prophet X has been put on pause. They are totally different machines with different goals, yes.

My metric is pretty much like deciding on a sports car -- which would give me the most fun for the longest period of time?
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 12:13 PM

Originally Posted By: engineerjoel
Yes, I know for sure that both the OB-8 and Prophet 5 allow you to manually turn-off voices so you can actually play a unison, one-voice patch.


I don't think the early rev P5 had that option
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 12:43 PM

Gordon Reid wrote about the Moog One in Sound on Sound:

The birth of the Moog One

I am particularly encouraged by his comments in the second-to-last paragraph.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 12:46 PM

Originally Posted By: engineerjoel


Yes, I know for sure that both the OB-8 and Prophet 5 allow you to manually turn-off voices so you can actually play a unison, one-voice patch. I often turn-off voices on my OB-8/P5. It's quite refreshing to do this..reminds me a bit of my first mono synth--The Arp Axxe.


Define "unison", "poly-unison" and "monophonic",- and then think about what "1 voice" means and what the difference is between "1 voice" and "1 voice w/ 1 OSC only".

Explanation:

Unison = stacking VOICES of a polyphonic synth so it plays single- or multitrigger monophonic and all or a selectable number of voices sound.

A synth VOICE in monophonic and polyphonic synths is typically several (1-4) OSCs which can be detuned against each other and mixed at different levels while playing same or different waveforms.


Poly-Unison:

Play 4-voice poly (instead of 8 voice) 2 VOICES sound unison per key.
Play 2-voice poly, 4 VOICES sound unison per key ... and so on ...

Different play-modes have influence too and depend on the synth architecture and whatelse the designers had in mind.

For a test if a single voice of p.ex. the MOOG One will sound similar or identical to a Minimoog D or Voyager w/ just only 1 OSC in use,- even in unison mode w/ just only 1 voice, the tester has to set the synthīs play-mode to monophonic and deactivate the 2nd (3rd and 4th if available too) OSC(s) of that voice or turn itīs/their volume(s) down to zero before doing the comparison.

When the polysynth is in unison-mode w/ more than 1 voice stacked and only 1 OSC per voice in use, it is still 1 OSC per voice stacked.
The VOICES will still be slightly detuned or drift slow against each other even the detune-parameter of the VOICE is ineffective īcause additional OSCs are muted/not audible and even the unison-detune parameter might have been set to zero,- so never sound like any Minimoog voice w/ just only 1 OSC in use.

engineerjoel,- I wonīt say you donīt know the above,- but I have the impression, "monophonic w/ only 1 OSC in use" was mistaken w/ "unison and just only 1 voice active" already before in this thread,- while I was only interested in IF a single voice of the MOOG One, w/ just only 1 OSC in use, might sound close or identical w/ Minimoog and just only 1 OSC (out of three) active.

Now I wait for a vid where this scenario is tested or until I can play this synth in a store.

smile

A.C.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 01:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Gordon Reid wrote about the Moog One in Sound on Sound:

The birth of the Moog One

I am particularly encouraged by his comments in the second-to-last paragraph.


I was particularly encouraged by his reference to the 8 voice being extensible, but I have since heard from the guy that wrote the manual, that this will not be the case. (Repeats to self: The Prophet 5 had 5 voices. The Memorymoog had 6. Your OB6 has 6) (self retorts: They were not multitimbral. You could not layer 2 8 voice patches)
Posted By: TechEverlasting

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 05:53 PM

Just from a marketing standpoint I think spending the extra money for the 8-voice expansion would have been a lot more compelling if this also increased the number of multi-timbral parts. With three available parts, a 16 voice Moog One is just about like having three MemoryMoogs at once. (The 8 voice could be viewed as having one Memory Moog plus two MiniMoogs.) What the hell would anyone ever do with three MemoryMoogs at once? What else is going to fit in that mix?

I'm concerned that the sound the 16 voice version produces will be so big and thick as to warp space-time and melt budget audio interfaces.
Posted By: Tusker

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 07:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Gordon Reid wrote about the Moog One in Sound on Sound:

The birth of the Moog One

I am particularly encouraged by his comments in the second-to-last paragraph.


Thank you for sharing that.

Me too. I like the idea of the ethereal side of Moog Ones sounds.

I've been thinking about that since seeing that (unlike the Memorymoog) there is continuous waveshaping from Triangle to Saw. It suggests that a large number of additive-style sounds are on offer in the oscillator section.

I would guess that with the sub series, Moog have learned a lot about designing the clipping attributes in the mixer, vca, etc. .... so that you can dial in the brute force sounds, but you don't have commit to them.

Eventide reverbs will not suck either. love
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 08:06 PM

I confess to a rising feeling of lust for this thing.

Grey
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 08:23 PM

Already made the front cover of the latest SW catalog. HeadPop
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 09:43 PM

Originally Posted By: TechEverlasting
Just from a marketing standpoint I think spending the extra money for the 8-voice expansion would have been a lot more compelling if this also increased the number of multi-timbral parts.


Not only w/ the expansion alone ...

I already regret the 8-voice version doesnīt offer splitting the instrument into 8 monosynths or into any combination of polysynth(s) w/ user selectable voicecount and monosynth(s),- just like it was and still is possible already w/ a 6-voice Oberheim Xpander (and Matrix-12) in Multi-Patch Mode.
Itīs not such a big deal when performing live, but in a studio scenario using sequencers/DAW, itīs a very powerful feature.

Your input above is welcome in addition !

Originally Posted By: TechEverlasting

With three available parts, a 16 voice Moog One is just about like having three MemoryMoogs at once. (The 8 voice could be viewed as having one Memory Moog plus two MiniMoogs.) What the hell would anyone ever do with three MemoryMoogs at once? What else is going to fit in that mix?


When you look at the MOOG Oneīs filter section, you see the differences.
The MOOG ladder filter alone offers LP and HP w/ selectable slope (24 / 18 / 12 & 6dB), the SVF offers Notch / BP / HP & LP and thereīs the serial/parallel usage of the filters.
I imagine thatīs the right tools to get the required separation even w/ "three Memorymoogs at once".
Iīm curious about hearing the different filter characteristics ...

When I read Gordon Reidīs SOS article,- I was surprised reading "digitally generated facilities include multiple contour generators and LFOs".
Now I hope LFOs and ENVs donīt suffer from the well known issues when generated in software.
Consequently there come up questions ...

1.)
Are the LFOs all fast enough, donīt alias and go up into the audio range.

EDIT:
From the other article: "Moog One offers four wide-range LFOs per voice"

Now, it depends on what "wide range" means ...

2.)
Are the ENVs snappy and offer "vintage-type" segment-shapes,- or are they lame linear modifiers ?

EDIT:
In the other article I read: "the character of each of these envelopes can be molded by per-stage envelope curves"

Good news !

3.)
Is it possible setting LFOs and ENVs to "freerun" or do they start (LFOs: at whatever user selectable phasing) w/ every key pressed ?

4.)
Whatīs up w/ VCAs ? Are they all, or some, also software generated ? And if "some",- which ones ?

And 5.)
Whatīs the overall update cycle for the digital modifiers ?
5ms, 10ms, 20ms ???

smile

A.C.

Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/04/18 09:59 PM

Originally Posted By: JerryA

Eventide reverbs will not suck either. love


I miss a Flanger in the FX list.

... chorus, delay, phase, bit reduction, vocoding, and a suite of premium
Eventide reverbs such as Blackhole, Shimmer, Plate, Room, and Hall.
Effects can be applied as Synth Effects and Master Bus Effects.
Synth Effects are applied to individual timbral layers, while Master Bus Effects can be accessed via sends from all three synthesizers. The effects are digital,...


A.C.
Posted By: CountFosco

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 03:16 AM

I guess the effect listed as phase could be set up to flange, depending on the available parameters. Flanging is modulating phase shift.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 03:25 AM

The questionnaire Gordon Reid referred to in the article was sent to me in early May, 2013 as a spreadsheet. Thought you might enjoy seeing it.

Poly Questionnaire: Use a 1 to specify your top selection and a 2 to specify your secondary selection for each question below. Please enter any comments you may have regarding each question.

Street price: $2000-$2500, $2500-$3000, $3000-$3500, $3500-$4000.

Number of keys: Tabletop/no keys, 44, 61, 76
Number of voices: 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10
Oscillators per voice: 1, 2, 3, 4
Sub oscillators per voice: 0, 1, 2, 3
Filters per voice: 1, 2, 3, 4
Maximum weight: 20-25 lbs, 25-30, 30-35, doesn't matter
Modulation sources: 2, 3, 4, 5
Number of presets: 128, 256, 512, 1028
Built-in effects required? No/Yes--> analog/digital
If yes, which?: Delay, chorus, ring mod, other
If other, please specify
Is a sequencer necessary? No, 2x16, 3x16, 4x16
Is aftertouch necessary? No, yes/mono, yes/polyphonic
CV connectivity: none, optional, built in, expandable

What do you believe is the best poly-synth ever created? Why?

What do you believe is the best poly-synth currently in production? Why?

Comments on the look and/or workflow of a Moog poly:

Other thoughts or comments:

Here is a synopsis of my response. I knew that a Moog poly was going to command a premium price. $4000 was optimistic. I posited a poly Voyager and asked what that would cost--$8K? $10k? 61 keys and the best possible keybed at a minimum. 6 or 8 voices, 3 osc per voice. (I also said that if it were multi-timbral, 16 voices would be awesome.) O subs. Filters, at least 2. Weight--35-45 lbs. Mod sources, as many as possible. 256 presets seemed like enough. Yes to built in effects, specifically reverb. I have no issue with digital effects. Yes to a sequencer and arpeggiator of their choice. Poly AT, please. Yes to built in cv connectivity. Best poly ever? Obie 4/8 or OBX. Best in production (2013), Solaris. Look and workflow, Moog wrote the book. The Memorymoog layout was just fine. Throw in a ribbon controller.

How close was I? smile
Posted By: Quai34

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 04:28 AM

Originally Posted By: NBrooks
At least the Prophet X now looks a lot more ‘reasonable’...

I was just thinking that my Propeht 12 I got for 2700 CAN$ was a steal...
Posted By: Quai34

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 04:43 AM

Quote: "For the time being, I guess itīs a "chipsynth" like Memorymoog, now using the re-issues of CEM 3340, 3360 and 3310"

Why do you say that? You don't think it's an all discrete synth? The Memory Moog was a "chip synth" as well? Sorry for asking, I started to be into "synths" with the Prophet 5 but was only able to buy a Yamaha CS15....
Posted By: Quai34

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 04:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
Originally Posted By: Al Coda

It all depends on functionality and sound,- and in my age I want less gear doing more work instead collecting gear needing more and more care.


That's pretty much where I'm at, other than the needing more care part, since I am selling off newer things. If it can kinda sorta replace a few other boards for my needs, it is essentially a trade, maybe with a small cash outlay. I'm trying not to sell anything vintage, rare, difficult to replace, or fundamental to my existence. smile

On the other hand, I spent a couple of hours playing my OB-6 through an Eventide H9 box last night, and I'd be reluctant to part with that combo anytime soon.

All this obsession from someone who is primarily a piano/organ player. smile

Agreed on oldies if they work well, you have a sort of synth history with them....
And agreed too, I don't have an OB6 (yet....the module is really cheap compared to the Moog One...) but it's after my P08 and I love how they glue together....
Posted By: Quai34

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/05/18 05:20 AM

Originally Posted By: cphollis
All of the sudden, my gear lust for the Prophet X has been put on pause. They are totally different machines with different goals, yes.

My metric is pretty much like deciding on a sports car -- which would give me the most fun for the longest period of time?



So funny!!! When I saw the announcement I was just thinking " I know one guy who might think twice about buying his Prophet X planned for a while..."
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 07:33 AM

Originally Posted By: Quai34
Quote: "For the time being, I guess itīs a "chipsynth" like Memorymoog, now using the re-issues of CEM 3340, 3360 and 3310"

Why do you say that? You don't think it's an all discrete synth? The Memory Moog was a "chip synth" as well?


Have in mind that was one of my early posts in regards of the MOOG One.
Yes, I guessed it is a "chipsynth" because the Memorymoog already was (CEM 3320, 3340, 3360 OSCs, VCFs & VCAs) and because the reissues of these chipsbecame available for the market this year.
So, for me it was obvious.

Up to now thereīs no public info about which components are used for the analog signal path, but meanwhile,- and also because otherīs in the forum came up w/ insinuation already,- I got the impression MOOG One is a different synth design than the Memorymoog was.
Now weīve read about 14.000 + components and up to 16 voicecards, which leaves room for more speculation.
In fact, for itīs price I hope itīs not a "chipsynth" throughout.

A.C.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 07:40 AM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
The questionnaire Gordon Reid referred to in the article was sent to me in early May, 2013 as a spreadsheet. Thought you might enjoy seeing it.

...

How close was I? smile


Very close,- congrats !
Do you get a "ONE" for free now ?

cool

A.C.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 08:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: JerryA

Eventide reverbs will not suck either. love


I miss a Flanger in the FX list.

... chorus, delay, phase, bit reduction, vocoding, and a suite of premium
Eventide reverbs such as Blackhole, Shimmer, Plate, Room, and Hall.
Effects can be applied as Synth Effects and Master Bus Effects.
Synth Effects are applied to individual timbral layers, while Master Bus Effects can be accessed via sends from all three synthesizers. The effects are digital,...


A.C.


I like Eventide - own an H9 Max myself.

But there are great 3rd-party analog effects units like the Chase Bliss Spectre so for some customers, another polysynth model without built-in effects might be a better solution - price would probably be lower too.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 09:56 AM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver

... there are great 3rd-party analog effects units like the Chase Bliss Spectre so for some customers, another polysynth model without built-in effects might be a better solution - price would probably be lower too.


Thatīs what I have anyway.
For me itīs all about getting more and more high quality devices from a single unit instrument.
I donīt mean a workstation like Kronos doing everything though.

So, I hope thereīs a quality flanger and a good tape delay emulation coming w/ MOOG One and when itīs been released.
Seems thereīs a bit time left until it ships,- and probably for digital FX, thereīs the option of software/firmware update.

Eventide ... big name, great brand.
But I donīt use much Reverb on keyboards anyway and especially when gigging/touring live, Delay and Modulation FX were more important always.
So, Iīd wish the FX were a combo of Eventide ModFactor and TimeFactor.

A.C.
Posted By: engineerjoel

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 11:19 AM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
Originally Posted By: engineerjoel
Yes, I know for sure that both the OB-8 and Prophet 5 allow you to manually turn-off voices so you can actually play a unison, one-voice patch.


I don't think the early rev P5 had that option


I have Rev 3.3
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 11:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
I miss a Flanger in the FX list.


It does include the building blocks for flangers - delays and chorus.

Quote:

2.)
Are the ENVs snappy and offer "vintage-type" segment-shapes,- or are they lame linear modifiers ?

EDIT:
In the other article I read: "the character of each of these envelopes can be molded by per-stage envelope curves"

Good news !


Hell yeah. There are an under appreciated feature on the Andromeda. The control law relationship between EG and VCA is different between legacy synths such as Moog and Oberheim, and is a key to their sounds. Having different curves is great for emulating traditional instruments too.

Quote:
3.)
Is it possible setting LFOs and ENVs to "freerun" or do they start (LFOs: at whatever user selectable phasing) w/ every key pressed ?


Moog has offered both it in several products for a long time. Hard to fathom they would omit that one, since it is software.

Quote:
And 5.)
Whatīs the overall update cycle for the digital modifiers ?
5ms, 10ms, 20ms ???


Fast S&H updates have been around since the Rhodes Chroma, which also has software LFOs and EGs. Fast S&H updates are the key to making software LFOs and EGs a reality.

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
So, I hope thereīs a quality flanger and a good tape delay emulation coming w/ MOOG One and when itīs been released.


That's what the FX in/out loops per timbre are for.

Quote:
Eventide ... big name, great brand.


Very relieved they selected Eventide over Lexicon.

Quote:
But I donīt use much Reverb on keyboards anyway and especially when gigging/touring live, Delay and Modulation FX were more important always.


A good short room ambience can work very well. Eventide does that very well, at least in my 2016 digital reverb. Short room ambience seems to be an FX that many digital reverbs do not pull off well. Once you've heard a Eventide 2016 or legacy Lexicon, you'll understand. The only time I use reverbs with RT60 tails ~1sec is plate reverbs with brass sounds.

I've been a happy Andromeda owner, but it only offers one digital FX at a time. The Moog One offers independent digital FX per timbre.

I'm saving $$$ for a 16 voice now. This thing is a beast.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 11:50 AM

The wife said yes. I'm beyond excited.
Posted By: RABid

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 11:50 AM

I hope they have better success with the initial release than they did with the MemoryMoog. That was the most troublesome keyboard I ever purchased.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 12:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver

... there are great 3rd-party analog effects units like the Chase Bliss Spectre so for some customers, another polysynth model without built-in effects might be a better solution - price would probably be lower too.


Thatīs what I have anyway.
For me itīs all about getting more and more high quality devices from a single unit instrument.
I donīt mean a workstation like Kronos doing everything though.

So, I hope thereīs a quality flanger and a good tape delay emulation coming w/ MOOG One and when itīs been released.
Seems thereīs a bit time left until it ships,- and probably for digital FX, thereīs the option of software/firmware update.

Eventide ... big name, great brand.
But I donīt use much Reverb on keyboards anyway and especially when gigging/touring live, Delay and Modulation FX were more important always.
So, Iīd wish the FX were a combo of Eventide ModFactor and TimeFactor.

A.C.


Cool, I get why you would want FX integrated with the synth.

I will wait for a future model which doesn't have the built-in Eventide, as I am used to having multiple effects pedals. Chase Bliss makes some incredible sounding modulation effects pedals - analog signal path with sophisticated digital control.

Erica's Fusion Delay/Flanger/Vintage Ensemble also looks promising.
https://www.ericasynths.lv/shop/eurorack...ntage-ensemble/

Also their Fusion Box
https://www.ericasynths.lv/shop/standalone-instruments-1/fusion-box/
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 01:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Nathanael_I
The first day, I was ready to sell my Model-D to fund this. Then I thought, but what if it doesn't replace it, but does something different?

That's kinda what I am hoping. For me (and I have seen this opinion stated elsewhere) a truly polyphonic Minimoog D would be just too much, and admittedly that is the one thing that I didn't like about the Memorymoog- it was just too powerful. If the Moog One approximates a Memorymoog but can also be more versatile sonically (while still retaining that Analog/Moog magic*) then this would be one absolutely awesome synth.


* By magic, I mean the Reissue D can play very satisfyingly "fat" sounds when using only one oscillator. I have never been a fan of the "massive unison mode," on a polysynth, and probably wouldn't pursue it on a Moog One. I am hoping that the Moog One will have that "weight" to its sound, similar to what I have heard in an Andromeda, but even moreso in a Studioelectronics Omega.
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 01:09 PM

I might start a go fund me! grin
Posted By: engineerjoel

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 01:38 PM

Sweetwater is posting 2 different 8-voice models:
"MoogOne8LSN" $6,499.00 and "MoogOne8" $5,999.

Anyone know what the differences are?
Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 01:48 PM

Low Serial Number? idk
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 02:10 PM

I suspect your Go Fund Me account will only afford you the EHSN version (EXTREMELY HIGH SERIAL #). roll
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 02:12 PM

Originally Posted By: engineerjoel
Sweetwater is posting 2 different 8-voice models:
"MoogOne8LSN" $6,499.00 and "MoogOne8" $5,999.

Anyone know what the differences are?
Ask all of the early Voyager purchasers...
Posted By: Tusker

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 02:49 PM

I wonder how integrated the effects are with the mod matrix and mod sources (lfos and adsrs). If the effects are simply slapped on the end of the signal chain and respond to cc's and the like .... I could see why many would want to wait for a stripped down little brother.

I guess, even if the effects are fully integrated, it hasn't been a huge aspect of synthesis so far, barring the use processors like Eventide Orville, TC Fireworx, etc. idk
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 03:59 PM

Originally Posted By: JerryA
I wonder how integrated the effects are with the mod matrix and mod sources (lfos and adsrs). If the effects are simply slapped on the end of the signal chain and respond to cc's and the like .... I could see why many would want to wait for a stripped down little brother.

I guess, even if the effects are fully integrated, it hasn't been a huge aspect of synthesis so far, barring the use processors like Eventide Orville, TC Fireworx, etc. idk





The Octatrack, while not a synth, is the one device I have where the effects are tightly integrated with the sampling engine and sequencer, so that tricks like parameter locks (p-locks in Elekron parlance) wherein you have a specific combination of effects settings for just one step of a step sequence; are possible.

There is a good selection of CV-modulatable effects units that could be patched with the One via the CV jacks for synthesis<->effects integration if desired - especially in the modular world.
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: engineerjoel
Sweetwater is posting 2 different 8-voice models:
"MoogOne8LSN" $6,499.00 and "MoogOne8" $5,999.

Anyone know what the differences are?


I called them and yes, the 8-voice Moog One will cost $500 extra for a "low serial number." That's it!

My only response is:


Posted By: Tusker

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 07:08 PM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
The wife said yes. I'm beyond excited.


Congrats Ken! cheers

I've got a couple of kids in college, so in order to avoid a fate worse than death I am not even going to mention it. At the end of four years, though, hmmh .... grin
Posted By: Tusker

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 07:24 PM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
The Octatrack, while not a synth, is the one device I have where the effects are tightly integrated with the sampling engine and sequencer, so that tricks like parameter locks (p-locks in Elekron parlance) wherein you have a specific combination of effects settings for just one step of a step sequence; are possible.

That sounds very cool, and seems to be the direction a lot of ITB music (ableton, etc) is going. You'd rather perform it of course. thu

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver

There is a good selection of CV-modulatable effects units that could be patched with the One via the CV jacks for synthesis<->effects integration if desired - especially in the modular world.

That would really nice. You would be somebody who could really take advantage of that type of possibility. cheers
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 08:59 PM

Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
I suspect your Go Fund Me account will only afford you the EHSN version (EXTREMELY HIGH SERIAL #). roll


laugh grin rimshot

A.C.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/05/18 10:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz

For me (and I have seen this opinion stated elsewhere) a truly polyphonic Minimoog D would be just too much, and admittedly that is the one thing that I didn't like about the Memorymoog- it was just too powerful.


Same here !

Originally Posted By: Marzzz

If the Moog One approximates a Memorymoog but can also be more versatile sonically (while still retaining that Analog/Moog magic*) then this would be one absolutely awesome synth.


I appreciate it looks somewhat like a Memorymoog,- but OTOH, I never wanted a Memorymoog because of itīs unreliability and all what you mentioned above in addition.

For me, the LAMM came too late īcause I was covered w/ (analog) polysynths for all purposes already, especially those using the CEM chips,- Sequential Circuits, Oberheim & Roland.
Meanwhile, I sold most of these toys many years ago.

The only analog chipsynth I still own is the Oberheim Xpander which is because of itīs modulation capability, the multi-patch mode, CV/gate inputs for each voice and the Oberheim poly-portamento modes.

I sold the OB-8 after I had both, the OB-8 and Xpander, side-by-side for weeks.
It was possible manually transfering my most important patches over from OB-8 to Xpander,- minor compromizes included,- but I never heard any complains from producers when working in studios almost all day at that time.

Todayīs analog synth enthusiasts,- we find in all audio- and synth forums,- might be irritated by that decision because the OB-8 has a better tone, but I never recognized anyone had a hit or successfull recording released because of a single synthīs better (or fatter) tone ... so what ?

So, I really hope the MOOG One is NOT a Memorymoog rev2.
I wish it behaves different when using it polyphonic, but I also hope for the possibility dialing in a Minimoog tone quality when using (a part of) it monophonic.
What costs 8K bucks in the US typically costs more than 9K EUR in europe.
So, for that price, I expect that happens or I pass.
Before I dump about 10K incl. case and accessories,- Iīm very picky.
Iīm talking about the 16 voice version, because WHEN itīs great, I want it ALL.

But thereīs also another piece of gear I hope for itīs appearence,-
John Bowen Solaris 1HU "black-box" expander w/ software editor for about 2K EUR (plus VAT).
So, until Iīm ready to spend lots of money for a modern MOOG polysynth, I want to be sure it sounds excellent and even better than competitors emulating that sound, works perfect and offers most excellent build quality and reliability.

Originally Posted By: Marzzz

* By magic, I mean the Reissue D can play very satisfyingly "fat" sounds when using only one oscillator.


Which is what the vintage Minimoog D does too,- and for me, thatīs the leveling rule when it comes to monophonic synths.
You simply donīt want phase cancelation of 2 OSCs drifting even when set to "narrow" tuning and when playing synth bass.
But you want a fat tone w/ only a single OSC,- and thatīs what the Minimoog D as also the Taurus I (1 / One) pedal (this in a different way) delivered.
Itīs what made these synths iconic,- even their feature set is spartan.

Originally Posted By: Marzzz

I have never been a fan of the "massive unison mode," on a polysynth ...


I donīt need it and there are ultra-rare cases I liked itīs use.
Iīd never buy a polysynth for stacking 18 OSCs (Memorymoog), 24 or 48 OCSc (Moog One) and detune.

A.C.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 12:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: engineerjoel
Sweetwater is posting 2 different 8-voice models:
"MoogOne8LSN" $6,499.00 and "MoogOne8" $5,999.

Anyone know what the differences are?
Ask all of the early Voyager purchasers...


I am an early Voyager customer. I have the SE edition. Shortly before they rolled off the assembly line, I committed to buy one new when they were $2999.

Then they raised the price to $3499.

Just my luck - I got a low serial number for less money.

Difference? Just the black square on the panel with Bob's John Hancock...
Posted By: Quai34

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 12:45 AM

After all the excitement I had last night, I "just realized" I already have a lot of polysynths....D50, Prophet 08, Prophet 12...But I have always wanted the Moog Sound so, I might buy a Moog Meeting Minitaur....Same price, just with one "0" less....
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 02:09 AM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: engineerjoel
Sweetwater is posting 2 different 8-voice models:
"MoogOne8LSN" $6,499.00 and "MoogOne8" $5,999.

Anyone know what the differences are?
Ask all of the early Voyager purchasers...


I am an early Voyager customer. I have the SE edition. Shortly before they rolled off the assembly line, I committed to buy one new when they were $2999.

Then they raised the price to $3499.

Just my luck - I got a low serial number for less money.

Difference? Just the black square on the panel with Bob's John Hancock...


That was my experience as well. But we pre-ordered in November of 2001 when it was a Big Briar instrument and took delivery of a Moog in October of '02. I figure the "discount" was for patience.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 02:17 AM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC

Then they raised the price to $3499.
Difference? Just the black square on the panel with Bob's John Hancock...


I got mine for half that price (used) without the signature, wish it had the signature, but I don't collect autographs. They sound the same.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 08:09 AM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC

Then they raised the price to $3499.
Difference? Just the black square on the panel with Bob's John Hancock...


I got mine for half that price (used) without the signature, wish it had the signature, but I don't collect autographs. They sound the same.


You guys reminded me that I had no intention of buying a Voyager until I finally tried one at the tail end of the SE offering and just had to have it. This was just a few months after buying my Andromeda. I have no plans to buys a One but like the Voyager it would have to sound different enough from my other Moogs and still sound frightastically good for me to cave.

Btw the first of the Voyagers i.e. Signature Edition (SE) was offered in 3 hardwoods and also has the gold plate off to the right side. It also came with a signed certificate, Little lite lamp and soft case which I'm sure the mice continue to enjoy. The OS was bare bones at release in 2003 and continued to be updated by Rudi Linhard - my last feature request implemented just last year cool .
Posted By: Tusker

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 08:56 AM

Good point. It's ok not to know. Although I have no plans to purchase, if it sounds a certain way and is convenient for live performance (I am ok with the 45 lbs plus carrying case) it could change my plans. One of the things I will be listening for is "breathing" oscillators. I am not a fan of the sub series oscillators , despite the convenience of the beat frequency feature. The included effects in the Moog One are a big plus for me.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 10:50 AM

I think dB kind of brought it home with his Matrix Brute conclusion: Paraphrasing (because I can't find that thread idk ) while the Matrix Brute sounds fantastic and is capable of extremes in sound programming, the Minimoog adequately provides sounds that serve the song just as well. So for me as a consummate sound explorer the One would have to bring something really different, not just another shade of Mooginess which we'll continue to argue about and rationalize forever. What appears to be the big appeal of the One is consolidating all that is Moog along with a full featured control surface into one convenient and versatile analog synth. Of course the jury's still out until we actually hear this thing idea .
Posted By: Tusker

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 11:12 AM

Yep, Mark I couldn't find that thread either. Great point about whether the device adds value which you can't get elsewhere in your rig. thu

Also if you are playing live, a decent case/stand becomes a factor. I would guess that a poly-synth with a strong mono-synth voice is going to be more of a utility player, and is more likely to earn it's keep than a semimodular-ish mono/para synth.

For me, the gold standard is the B3. If a polysynth gets closer to doing your full range of sounds, and easy ways to get from one sweet-spot to another in real time ... then it becomes compelling as a foundation of a rig.
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 11:12 AM

Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
Of course the jury's still out until we actually hear this thing idea .


Videos arriving on October 8.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 12:26 PM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC

Then they raised the price to $3499.
Difference? Just the black square on the panel with Bob's John Hancock...


I got mine for half that price (used) without the signature, wish it had the signature, but I don't collect autographs. They sound the same.


I'm not the starstruck type and don't collect autographs either. I just wanted one of those Voyagers. And they do sound the same.

Probably the one benefit of an early adopter... later circuit boards have NO sockets for the ICs. Mine has sockets and is easy to service (and has yet to need a repair).
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 12:32 PM

Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC

Then they raised the price to $3499.
Difference? Just the black square on the panel with Bob's John Hancock...


I got mine for half that price (used) without the signature, wish it had the signature, but I don't collect autographs. They sound the same.


You guys reminded me that I had no intention of buying a Voyager until I finally tried one at the tail end of the SE offering and just had to have it. This was just a few months after buying my Andromeda. I have no plans to buys a One but like the Voyager it would have to sound different enough from my other Moogs and still sound frightastically good for me to cave.

Btw the first of the Voyagers i.e. Signature Edition (SE) was offered in 3 hardwoods and also has the gold plate off to the right side. It also came with a signed certificate, Little lite lamp and soft case which I'm sure the mice continue to enjoy. The OS was bare bones at release in 2003 and continued to be updated by Rudi Linhard - my last feature request implemented just last year cool .


Andromeda is a great synth but it lacks the power of a good monosynth like Minimoog.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 12:37 PM

I don't usually get excited over built-in FX. I prefer outboard, more flexible and sounds better to my ears.

Moog One is the first synth to include Eventide FX. As an owner of (3) Eventide 2016s (!), Lexicon model 200, and some Lexicon PCM60s that's a big appeal in my book. I just hope it isn't a "crippled" Eventide like Lexicon did for mixers.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC


Andromeda is a great synth but it lacks the power of a good monosynth like Minimoog.


It has a mono mode? coffee

(edit)
Btw neither does the OBX-A nor the Jupiter 8 (by far) as I recently re-discovered.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 01:05 PM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC

I'm not the starstruck type and don't collect autographs either. I just wanted one of those Voyagers. And they do sound the same.


Michael and Mark (and everyone else), after re reading my post I apologize if it came off as snarky. Wasn't my intention.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 01:11 PM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC

I'm not the starstruck type and don't collect autographs either. I just wanted one of those Voyagers. And they do sound the same.


Michael and Mark (and everyone else), after re reading my post I apologize if it came off as snarky. Wasn't my intention.


Well OK...I guess. Do you want to buy my Bob Moog signed certificate for say $7999?
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 01:22 PM

on my way now. laugh
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 02:49 PM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
I don't usually get excited over built-in FX. I prefer outboard, more flexible and sounds better to my ears.

Moog One is the first synth to include Eventide FX. As an owner of (3) Eventide 2016s (!), Lexicon model 200, and some Lexicon PCM60s that's a big appeal in my book. I just hope it isn't a "crippled" Eventide like Lexicon did for mixers.

I run my Reissue thru an Eventide H9, and it sounds glorious. If there is some crippling of the Eventide effects in the One, I would go ahead and get another H9 and it will be more than taken care of.

Regarding Voyager- had one for a decade, never bonded with it. Still extremely happy with the Reissue, going on 2 years now. BUT, I don't want the One to be a polyphonic Minimoog, that would be too much. Having more of the versatility a la the Voyager would work well in a polyphonic situation. The one downside of being an early adopter of a Voyager was Moog instituted several significant hardware upgrades; if you had an early one you would have had to send it back to Asheville at considerable expense to bring it up to par with the later machines.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 03:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz


The one downside of being an early adopter of a Voyager was Moog instituted several significant hardware upgrades; if you had an early one you would have had to send it back to Asheville at considerable expense to bring it up to par with the later machines.


I believe the major upgrades were quite some time after the initial release - maybe 2 years or so latter idk . I love when manufacturers offer upgrades to bring older version synths up to date. The cost is almost always insignificant compared to selling and upgrading to a brand new board. The one way $45 shipping(at the time) was a no- brainer; Moog ships it back at their expense.

For those fortunate enough to buy a One early on I would hope Moog always offers the ability to upgrade it to the latest hardware version. Shipping cost would not be my biggest concern having spent 6-8k on the synth.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 09:25 PM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Michael and Mark (and everyone else), after re reading my post I apologize if it came off as snarky. Wasn't my intention.


Never interpreted it that way.

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
The one downside of being an early adopter of a Voyager was Moog instituted several significant hardware upgrades; if you had an early one you would have had to send it back to Asheville at considerable expense to bring it up to par with the later machines.


That's going to be the norm of most hardware synths.

My Voyager has all the upgrades. While on vacation a couple of times I swung by Asheville to have them done. I helped them with one upgrade - filter glide.

The slew rate upgrade brought the Voyager closer to the Minimoog - I really like it.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. - 10/06/18 11:15 PM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC

The slew rate upgrade brought the Voyager closer to the Minimoog - I really like it.


had it done to my Voyager a few months ago and agree. twothumbs
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/07/18 03:00 AM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC

The slew rate upgrade brought the Voyager closer to the Minimoog - I really like it.


had it done to my Voyager a few months ago and agree. twothumbs


Same here. Subsequent to that, (no Moog pun intended) I discovered the joy of putting an Xotic EP Booster pedal in the pre-filter insert. The combination of those 2 things made me fall in love with my Voyager in a way I never had. That is why I am so reluctant to sell it from my Moog One fund.
I had read about someone putting an exciter pedal in the loop. I tried it with this because I already owned it. Gives the Filter(s) more to work with. Highly recommended and it lives there permanently now.
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. - 10/07/18 05:54 AM

I have to admit that I've had my Voyager RME for over six months and have only begun to scratch the surface. Part of the problem is lack of time--haven't done any music at all in several weeks--but a lot of it is that the machine is like having an entire lake when all you need is a cup of water. It's a pretty deep resource to draw from.

The One is likely to be worse.

Doesn't stop me from wanting one.

Grey
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/08/18 01:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
I had read about someone putting an exciter pedal in the loop. I tried it with this because I already owned it. Gives the Filter(s) more to work with. Highly recommended and it lives there permanently now.


The Murf is pretty effective in the loop too.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/08/18 08:28 AM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC


The Murf is pretty effective in the loop too.


Not bad laugh
Posted By: RichieP_MechE

Re: Moog One. - 10/08/18 09:11 AM

Product page is up on the Moog site: Moog One

Includes video and audio demos. cool

Edit: Video now on youtube


Moog One - A Meditation On Listening
Posted By: Mogut

Re: Moog One. - 10/08/18 09:42 AM

Originally Posted By: RichieP_MechE
Product page is up on the Moog site: Moog One

Includes video and audio demos. cool


hmmm audio demos arent all that fat sounding
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/08/18 10:49 AM

Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC


The Murf is pretty effective in the loop too.


Not bad laugh


I'm the king of unintentional puns laugh
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 10:57 AM

Is it me, or is the front panel lacking an AUTOTUNE button?
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 11:13 AM

Also they don't seem to list the dimensions in the spec.
Per SW it's 42X20X7 (inches). That depth is huge and for my own consideration would limit where it would fit in my setup.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 11:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Mogut
Originally Posted By: RichieP_MechE
Product page is up on the Moog site: Moog One

Includes video and audio demos. cool


hmmm audio demos arent all that fat sounding


My take is that these are artist demos, not necessarily designed to show off the raw oscillator tones and to show how much the walls can be rattled. I am sure there are more technical demos to follow that will do just that. If not, I will make one in a few weeks. smile
I also question in general how fat one would want a poly to sound. I guess in this case, being multitimbral the answer would be VERY, since you'd want to be able to have a bass line pumping and do other stuff over top.
Posted By: RichieP_MechE

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 11:23 AM

I'm liking what I'm hearing on the official demo list on Soundcloud

Moog One Demos
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 11:40 AM

Watch them build one:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I2XOJgKm7o

Posted By: RichieP_MechE

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 11:47 AM

Sound designer Kurt Ader has a few videos up



He also achieves the highly coveted award: first person to play Jump on the Moog One! laugh

Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 12:04 PM

I like the sounds, but the website is really messed up now. Can't get to the specs for any product, and several synths do not appear any more - I doubt Moog suddenly discontinued them: Mother 32, Sub 37, Subsequent...

Just sent an email reporting the website problems.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 12:29 PM

Originally Posted By: RichieP_MechE
I'm liking what I'm hearing on the official demo list on Soundcloud

Moog One Demos


I agree,- some great sounds !

A.C.
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 12:33 PM

Originally Posted By: RichieP_MechE
He also achieves the highly coveted award: first person to play Jump on the Moog One! laugh



Somewhat anti-climactic. frown

Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 12:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Synthoid
Watch them build one:







Wonder if Mark works faster than that. wink
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 12:39 PM

Originally Posted By: RichieP_MechE
Sound designer Kurt Ader has a few videos up


He also achieves the highly coveted award: first person to play Jump on the Moog One! laugh



Sold! Totally worth spending $6k just to do that!
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 01:16 PM

It's almost time to Dive in... live event:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV9AO2t67H8

Posted By: RichieP_MechE

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 01:29 PM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
I like the sounds, but the website is really messed up now. Can't get to the specs for any product, and several synths do not appear any more - I doubt Moog suddenly discontinued them: Mother 32, Sub 37, Subsequent...

Just sent an email reporting the website problems.

What browser are you using? I'm not having any problems on Chrome. The website is also side-scrolling now instead of vertical scroll.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 01:39 PM

Originally Posted By: RichieP_MechE
Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
I like the sounds, but the website is really messed up now. Can't get to the specs for any product, and several synths do not appear any more - I doubt Moog suddenly discontinued them: Mother 32, Sub 37, Subsequent...

Just sent an email reporting the website problems.

What browser are you using? I'm not having any problems on Chrome. The website is also side-scrolling now instead of vertical scroll.


Chrome. I was unable to side-scroll with my old Mac mouse. Side arrows though do work.

I still cannot find the links to the specs or manual for any synth though.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 01:39 PM

Listening to the livestream - just one oscillator definitely sounds louder/threat to dominate a mix than it does in any of the demos, including Youtube (which has built-in compression anyway).
Posted By: UnderGroundH

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 03:28 PM

Great sounds on soundcloud!!!
Posted By: MTalking

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 04:04 PM

Love the sound of the Moog One.

Detest the horizontal-scrolling website.

I mean, there's doing things a new, fun way — and then there's unnecessarily upending conventions that work extremely well.
Posted By: Tusker

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 05:41 PM

Been looking forward to this demo. Dan Fisher mentioned that he had been working on the Moog One manual for a year and a half and it is THE synth he would like to spend time with:

Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 05:47 PM

His demo I think has been the most illustrative thus far. The next 3 weeks are going to draaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggg......
Can't wait to get my hands on this thing.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 06:46 PM

The intro video led me to check out Paris Strother. Will definitely be checking out her band King - keyboardist-led, and a distinctive sound between Strother's synths and the dual vocals.
Posted By: David Emm

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 06:52 PM

After hearing the Soundcloud demos, I'm fairly impressed. It feels like $6k-$8k worth of real Moog, partly depending on how the specs unfold. It could wind up being a serious nerve-center synth, especially with the CV Out. It also sounds very, very 70s/80s initially, but its also clear that some programming time can dispel the heavier aspects of that. That leaves just 2 questions: 1) Is the price 10% of your yearly net or 110% and 2) will your wife strangle you for even considering it. HeadPop
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 08:52 PM

Originally Posted By: JerryA
Been looking forward to this demo. Dan Fisher mentioned that he had been working on the Moog One manual for a year and a half and it is THE synth he would like to spend time with:

[video:youtube]ZQK ...


Watched it ...
Itīs an awesome synth, I really like what it does and it has body and some individual character I hoped for,- something I sadly miss when digital synths emulate analog.

Would like to read the manual.
I wonder if thereīs a internal "feedback" loop available on demand or if weīd have to realize it the old way by wireing an output to pre-filter ext. input,- and if that feedback-signal amount would be continuously variable, being controlled by a knob/CV/pedal and/or MIDI CC.

A.C.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 09:33 PM

Pretty sure from the 2nd Amos video that there is no internal feedback nor drive. He'd did say that the gain structure is constructed so you can drive the signal if so desired.
Posted By: newkeys

Re: Moog One. - 10/08/18 09:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: Quai34
Quote: "For the time being, I guess itīs a "chipsynth" like Memorymoog, now using the re-issues of CEM 3340, 3360 and 3310"

Why do you say that? You don't think it's an all discrete synth? The Memory Moog was a "chip synth" as well?


Have in mind that was one of my early posts in regards of the MOOG One.
Yes, I guessed it is a "chipsynth" because the Memorymoog already was (CEM 3320, 3340, 3360 OSCs, VCFs & VCAs) and because the reissues of these chipsbecame available for the market this year.
So, for me it was obvious.

Up to now thereīs no public info about which components are used for the analog signal path, but meanwhile,- and also because otherīs in the forum came up w/ insinuation already,- I got the impression MOOG One is a different synth design than the Memorymoog was.
Now weīve read about 14.000 + components and up to 16 voicecards, which leaves room for more speculation.
In fact, for itīs price I hope itīs not a "chipsynth" throughout.

A.C.


A little off-topic: The memorymoog had Curtis 3340 oscs, but the filters were “real” moog ladder filters, one per voice ... not curtis 3320 filter chips.

A nerdy distinction maybe ... but the Moog filters are part of why the MM sounded as sweet as it did.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorymoog

https://www.rosensound.com/2017/11/22/the-memorymoog-setting-the-record-straight/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEM_and_SSM_chips_in_synthesizers

The One clearly sounds different than the MM in the demos so far, more modern Moog-y and not Curtis-like ... which makes sense since the One uses a Moog osc design, not the 3340 reissue.

Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 10:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
Pretty sure from the 2nd Amos video that there is no internal feedback nor drive. He'd did say that the gain structure is constructed so you can drive the signal if so desired.


Thx,- one of the sub-outs into ext. input line-in then ...

A.C.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 10/08/18 10:11 PM

Originally Posted By: newkeys


The One clearly sounds different than the MM in the demos so far, more modern Moog-y and not Curtis-like ... which makes sense since the One uses a Moog osc design, not the 3340 reissue.


Iīm happy it sounds somewhat different from the old MM.

A.C.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/08/18 11:47 PM

Originally Posted By: JerryA
Dan Fisher mentioned that he had been working on the Moog One manual for a year and a half and it is THE synth he would like to spend time with


read Dan Fisher's resume'. Just search his name. If he says this is the one, then this is the one. No pun/ pun intended. Take your pick. wink
As for me , I have 2 kids in college so it's not in my future. frown
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 12:42 AM

OK, I've read the specs.

The oscillators are triangle core. To synth nerds, this has a few implications.

1. Curtis and SSM oscillator chips, as well as a lot of early discrete ciruits, were sawtooth core. That means the original wave generated is a sawtooth, and the other shapes are derived. The triangle core oscillators sound fundamentally different, so no worries about it sounding like a Curtis synth.

2. They have done a clever thing with the Beats detune knob. It is a superior method for detuning a pair of oscillators for a chorused effect, that manages to keep the number of beats of detuning constant across the keyboard. Most old synths will beat fast and out of tune at the top of the keyboard range, and slow phasing almost in tune at the bottom.

3. The envelopes have a hold time on the attack to help give that Minimoog smack to the beginning of a note.

4. LFOs have some cool features like initial phase and number of cycles.

5. Saw and Triangle wave angles can be modulated, and then mixed with a Pulse/Square wave whose width can also be modulated. The Triangle wave will sound more pure than say the old Prophets because the core is already a triangle, instead of being derived from saw.

Specs wise, this easily surpasses my Chroma and Chroma Expander combo.
Posted By: jverghese

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 02:18 AM

Originally Posted By: matted stump

1. Curtis and SSM oscillator chips, as well as a lot of early discrete ciruits, were sawtooth core.

Nope. Curtis were triangle core, SSM were sawtooth.

Originally Posted By: matted stump
2. They have done a clever thing with the Beats detune knob. It is a superior method for detuning a pair of oscillators for a chorused effect, that manages to keep the number of beats of detuning constant across the keyboard.

This is an excellent feature on a polysynth. I think they have been monitoring this forum.

Originally Posted By: matted stump
Specs wise, this easily surpasses my Chroma and Chroma Expander combo.

I wonder if the MoogOne's keyboard/voice assignment modes are as versatile as the Chroma's.

All in all, looks and sounds like a cool synth. I've yet to hear a polysynth that sounds as good as the best monosynths, maybe the One will change that.

-joachim
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 02:46 AM

Originally Posted By: matted stump
1. Curtis and SSM oscillator chips, as well as a lot of early discrete ciruits, were sawtooth core. That means the original wave generated is a sawtooth, and the other shapes are derived. The triangle core oscillators sound fundamentally different, so no worries about it sounding like a Curtis synth.


Actually the CEM3340 is triangle core. Confirmed in a appnote publication from CES. Triangle core VCOs are inherently easier to maintain tempco variations.

The SSM2030 VCO is indeed sawtooth core, in fact it is the same architecture as the SEM/OBX VCO.

Many people knock 3340s because they don't stay in tune. They can actually be very stable. I just did a restore on a Memorymoog, and when I replaced the timing caps on the 3340s with mica caps (recommended by CES), the VCOs were rock solid on cold power up.
Posted By: Tusker

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 06:21 AM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
read Dan Fisher's resume'. Just search his name. If he says this is the one, then this is the one. No pun/ pun intended. Take your pick. wink


Dan Fisher is one of the most knowledgeable synthesists in circulation. I've felt that way about him since reading some of his synthesis tips for VAST in Keyboard magazine, back in the dark ages when my hair was black and I had all of it. That's why I was looking forward to his perspective. He's also an all round good guy, and somebody with whom you would love to have a beer. Thats kinda how I feel about you, actually. cheers

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
As for me , I have 2 kids in college so it's not in my future. frown


Dave, I feel your pain very precisely, but let's be positive. Death and taxes might be certain, but our kids will surely graduate. This too will end (I keep telling myself). grin
Posted By: Tusker

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 06:32 AM

Another video with Dan Fisher. It's a short feature summary, but also, you can begin to hear (imo) more of his synthesists voice coming through in this video. Terrific sounds. One standout for me is the ring mod (or is it fm?) at 4.33 love

Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 10:49 AM

I expected at least a half-dozen more demos on YouTube by now. Surprising. idk
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 12:25 PM

Originally Posted By: JerryA
somebody with whom you would love to have a beer. Thats kinda how I feel about you, actually. cheers


hope we can make that happen some day. thu
Posted By: TechEverlasting

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 01:02 PM

I would love to eventually see something along the lines of a six-voice bi-timbral desktop unit built on this technology. Price it around $3K and it will sell like hotcakes without denting the market for its big brother.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 02:25 PM

There's an AMA with Amos Gaines thread on Reddit in which he reportedly states that MPE support is planned as a future OS update to One. There's a link to that thread in the CDM article.

https://cdm.link/2018/10/moog-one-polysynth-details/

Article also covers the mystery Ethernet port and other fun stuff.

A stripped down module (I prefer to strip out the built-in FX and leave in the tri-timbral stuff) would be great with the MPE support - just plug in Linnstrument or whatever and off you go...
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 04:02 PM

Even though it is not shipping with MPE support, since it is tritimbral, you could have the same timbre for all 3 synths, presumably on different MIDI channels, and at least have 3 voice pseudo-MPE. I plan on trying that.
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 04:09 PM


Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 04:21 PM

CDM article also has some good stuff on how the modulation system works, which may clear up some concerns that some potential customers may have about menu-diving.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 04:25 PM

On the AMA thread, Amos answers the question on whether the Ethernet port can be used to double the polyphony of the 8-voice model.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. - 10/09/18 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Consequently there come up questions ...

1.)
Are the LFOs all fast enough, donīt alias and go up into the audio range.

EDIT:
From the other article: "Moog One offers four wide-range LFOs per voice"

Now, it depends on what "wide range" means ...


From the Reddit discussion, Amos from Moog said:

"In addition, the four LFOs can extend well into the audio range, to provide audio-rate modulation of virtually any mod destination."

I wonder if they can track the keyboard while running at audio range. That would make FM very interesting.
Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Moog One. - 10/09/18 07:44 PM

I have a friend who is talking about selling his Voyager and OB-6 to fund one. I'm sweating just thinking about it.
Posted By: David Emm

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 07:50 PM

I'm no modular maven, but I raised an eyebrow at the 4 CV Outs and 2 CV Ins. If someone can take up an $8k Moog, doesn't it seem likely that many such buyers will be running some modular gear from the beast? That's where its sound-design potential becomes surreal. It clearly has its own strong voice, but I get the feeling that at least a few people will be using it to command anything from MoogerFoogers to Buchlas, depending on specs, of course. Are you ready for the new Patrick Moraz surrogate, with a Moog One front and center and a TONTO-like ring of ARP 2600s, Obies and Euroracks around him? Or her, since we've seen some impressive women crop up lately, no less savvy n' GAS-y than the guys. laugh

Give it a year. Someone is going to appear who makes a mini-TONTO of it and raises the bar on wizardry. Besides, that's only the CV aspect. I'm just plain enjoying the depth of it. thu
Posted By: linwood

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 07:58 PM

I haven't jonesed this bad in a while. It's like wanting a rickenbacker and a super beatle.
Posted By: Theo Verelst

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/09/18 08:06 PM

That last video makes me believe A Real Moog is hard to do (with the actual Moog in heaven).

T
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 01:43 AM

I'm afraid that there might be a 16 voice in my future. I haven't been this rattled by a synth since the Andromeda.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 03:55 AM

Toward the end of this video, at about 1:06:42 Amos mentions that "we do intend to fully support polyaftertouch over MIDI...that is in the plans;" I have heard that exact same sentiment regarding the Alesis Andromeda and the Studioelectronics Omega 8 and ended up being disappointed. You guys know me...this is now a no go for me until they prove otherwise.

Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 05:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Synthoid
I expected at least a half-dozen more demos on YouTube by now. Surprising. idk




Probably be a while before the floodgates open. People will have to save their pennies to buy one, er...One. This ain't a budget item. I doubt I'll ever own one--even buying used.

At this point I'm guessing that the number of demos is down to how many Moog Ones are out there for evaluation. A dozen, perhaps? Two dozen? The Moog video shows Chick Corea playing one, but someone like him isn't going to do a One demo video--he's going to be making music.

I remember when the Behringer Model D finally came out and they were so hard to get. It took a while for demo videos to show up.

I'm guessing that Keith Emerson's ghost is pretty annoyed that the One didn't come out earlier...not that it would have helped with his hand problems or anything, but imagine the fun that someone like him would have had with one of these back in the ELP days. I'm banking on Rick Wakeman to make good use of it.

Grey
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 07:09 AM

Originally Posted By: matted stump
I'm afraid that there might be a 16 voice in my future.


Same here.
But as always, I prefer waiting some time and finding out more.
I watched those MOOG live-streams which I downloaded from Youtube as also the other demos available,- the functionality of this analog machine is amazing and it sounds great as far as I can tell listening to online vids, but itīs also a complex machine software wise and I imagine they might have to eliminate some from demos hidden teething problems too.
And Iīll carefully observe the price trend because up to now, Iīm not sure about selling Minimoog D, Xpander and a few more.
It will be a big investment in EUR plus VAT, customs and shipping.

A.C.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 07:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Toward the end of this video, at about 1:06:42 Amos mentions that "we do intend to fully support polyaftertouch over MIDI...that is in the plans;" I have heard that exact same sentiment regarding the Alesis Andromeda and the Studioelectronics Omega 8 and ended up being disappointed. You guys know me...this is now a no go for me until they prove otherwise.


Thatīs why Iīll wait and observe the evolution.
Soooo many features and more promises in addition,- and for the price it all should be more than perfect.

I have hi-end products in my home I wait for important updates since years,- and I get older.
When those updates will never come, the gear will be rendered useless (because it has to move on w/ computer technology).
When the updates come and donīt work flawlessly and as expected,- Iīll have to wait longer ...
When the updates come too late, Iīm retired already or too ill, dead or whatelse.

Actually, when I decide to buy something, it has to work 100% NOW,- especially when I have to invest 8-10K EUR.

Iīll wait for the real-world customer reports and because there wonīt be very much people on the planet who can afford the One quickly, we wonīt read too many of these reports I fear.

Weīll see ...

A.C.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 09:35 AM

Originally Posted By: GRollins
Originally Posted By: Synthoid
I expected at least a half-dozen more demos on YouTube by now. Surprising. idk




Probably be a while before the floodgates open. People will have to save their pennies to buy one, er...One. This ain't a budget item. I doubt I'll ever own one--even buying used.

At this point I'm guessing that the number of demos is down to how many Moog Ones are out there for evaluation. A dozen, perhaps? Two dozen? The Moog video shows Chick Corea playing one, but someone like him isn't going to do a One demo video--he's going to be making music.

I remember when the Behringer Model D finally came out and they were so hard to get. It took a while for demo videos to show up.

I'm guessing that Keith Emerson's ghost is pretty annoyed that the One didn't come out earlier...not that it would have helped with his hand problems or anything, but imagine the fun that someone like him would have had with one of these back in the ELP days. I'm banking on Rick Wakeman to make good use of it.

Grey


I’ve preordered a 16. I plan on (MAYBE) making a few demo videos as my first foray into doing so, even though I am more of a piano/organ player than expert synthesist. I have a particular slant I want to take, which would basically be to answer some of the questions I had personally as a potential buyer. Can it replace keyboard X to some degree? What to the oscillators sound like “naked” A/B’d with some other synths I might know well? How about the filters? What might I miss out on (or not) by getting an 8 voice? What are some small feature requests that could open up other new approaches?
Posted By: UnderGroundH

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 09:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
Originally Posted By: GRollins
Originally Posted By: Synthoid
I expected at least a half-dozen more demos on YouTube by now. Surprising. idk




Probably be a while before the floodgates open. People will have to save their pennies to buy one, er...One. This ain't a budget item. I doubt I'll ever own one--even buying used.

At this point I'm guessing that the number of demos is down to how many Moog Ones are out there for evaluation. A dozen, perhaps? Two dozen? The Moog video shows Chick Corea playing one, but someone like him isn't going to do a One demo video--he's going to be making music.

I remember when the Behringer Model D finally came out and they were so hard to get. It took a while for demo videos to show up.

I'm guessing that Keith Emerson's ghost is pretty annoyed that the One didn't come out earlier...not that it would have helped with his hand problems or anything, but imagine the fun that someone like him would have had with one of these back in the ELP days. I'm banking on Rick Wakeman to make good use of it.

Grey


I’ve preordered a 16. I plan on (MAYBE) making a few demo videos as my first foray into doing so, even though I am more of a piano/organ player than expert synthesist. I have a particular slant I want to take, which would basically be to answer some of the questions I had personally as a potential buyer. Can it replace keyboard X to some degree? What to the oscillators sound like “naked” A/B’d with some other synths I might know well? How about the filters? What might I miss out on (or not) by getting an 8 voice? What are some small feature requests that could open up other new approaches?


We are waiting for your demo videos!!!
I hope you will enjoy your new beast!!!
Posted By: ElmerJFudd

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 10:06 AM

Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 10:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
I’ve preordered a 16.


Please be aware that I'm kinda-sorta hating you a little bit right now...

Grey
Posted By: Tom Fiala

Re: Moog One. - 10/10/18 10:18 AM

While I freely admit to having major GAS for this, I'm not really sure whether I want it because it's shiny & new, because it will be a collectable, or because it might do something that the current synths in the collection don't.

But really, is it going to be $8K of satisfaction better than my A6, or my Solaris? Will I love the individual voice sound more than my Sub 37 or Model D reissue? Of course, only time and exposure to the One in real life will tell.... Thoughts? Practicality vs. want.
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 10:40 AM

Originally Posted By: GRollins
Originally Posted By: Synthoid
I expected at least a half-dozen more demos on YouTube by now. Surprising. idk


Probably be a while before the floodgates open. People will have to save their pennies to buy one, er...One. This ain't a budget item. I doubt I'll ever own one--even buying used.


I was referring to those regular YouTubers who review synths. They seem to have big budgets, or will at least receive keyboards to demo from the manufacturer.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 11:06 AM

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd


People elsewhere have been complaining about the mimes and weird colors in the official intro video. I've been sending them to this 70s Polymoog video to show that the intro video pays tribute to that older one.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/10/18 11:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Tom Fiala
While I freely admit to having major GAS for this, I'm not really sure whether I want it because it's shiny & new, because it will be a collectable, or because it might do something that the current synths in the collection don't.

But really, is it going to be $8K of satisfaction better than my A6, or my Solaris? Will I love the individual voice sound more than my Sub 37 or Model D reissue? Of course, only time and exposure to the One in real life will tell.... Thoughts? Practicality vs. want.


I think one voice, sans modulation and effects, will sound "better" at least as a classic Moog solo or bass voice on your Model D reissue. The new oscillators have additional tonal shaping capabilities though, and The One has obviously everything else that the Model D doesn't have. 8 Model D's might sound glorious on as a giant Poly on their own, but less so in a mix. 8 grand better than your Andromeda? I doubt that, and that would be a closer comparison, but again a different animal.
I think a Model D would be the perfect compliment to The One. The former for one tonally glorious mono voice, and the latter for all the other things it can do. In fact after getting The One, I will consider selling my Voyager to get a Model D.

For me - it came at just the right time. I've been thinking I have too many synths that I've dug into say 60%. I can sell off some, still keep a fair amount, and get enough money back to pay for the 8 voice outright, or to chip in to get the 16 voice. I am kind of a roots and rock songwriter/piano/organ player as a rule, but have just started a synth heavy project. It appeals to me to have one centerpiece of an instrument to really delve into, with a very wide pallatte, nice performance features, etc. It also appeals that other than the insiders who have had the instrument for a while, I will be jumping into new ground and finding my own way to utilize this great tool. My mind is already racing and I have questions about whether it can do certain things, that are probably too arcane to even ask about, since I am not sure anyone else would care.

Ultimately though, it is just a keyboard, and an expensive one. That said, it is less expensive than my mid-range level piano, worth about $242,000 less than one of my friends '59 Les Paul, costs less than a super high end microphone or some other studio gear, and way less than a serious horn or string player would spend on their instrument. I will likely play this until I can't play anymore, then pass it on to my son.

The Matrixbrute I just sold will be the item I will miss the most. It scratched the same itch as the somewhat spartan modular system I sold off to get it, and this should scratch that itch and then some. That and the Moogerfooger 104M might be the 2 things I would repurchase next year.

I guess I should update my sig!
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 11:31 AM

Originally Posted By: David Emm
I'm no modular maven, but I raised an eyebrow at the 4 CV Outs and 2 CV Ins. If someone can take up an $8k Moog, doesn't it seem likely that many such buyers will be running some modular gear from the beast?


Only a minority of today's modular users have any interest in utilizing piano/organ skills - "I don't play keyboard" is one of the reasons I've seen posted by some as to why they don't want a Moog One . Some of them would be very interested if a module version with decent CV and audio connectivity were released.

That all said, there is that minority of modular owners who do play keys, and I could easily see those few crosspatching a One with CV-enabled effects devices, Moog's own DFAM, modular and semimodular system, etcs.

Speaking of women, I could see Paris Strother, who appears in the intro video and is the keyboardist of the Minneapolis-based trio King, rocking a One-powered rig. She already has an arsenal of synths both vintage and modern.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 11:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Toward the end of this video, at about 1:06:42 Amos mentions that "we do intend to fully support polyaftertouch over MIDI...that is in the plans;" I have heard that exact same sentiment regarding the Alesis Andromeda and the Studioelectronics Omega 8 and ended up being disappointed. You guys know me...this is now a no go for me until they prove otherwise.


Amos said MPE is planned in an OS update in the Reddit thread.

Moog's own Animoog and Model 15 have had MPE support since the beginning of MPE, and apparently the same people that worked on those apps are now working on the One.

I don't recall poly AT being mentioned in the Reddit thread, because nobody asked, but I don't see why they would add MPE without poly AT.

The keyboard itself doesn't seem to have poly AT. A module version would make sense for those who prefer to use their favorite poly AT keyboard or MPE controller.
Posted By: TechEverlasting

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 12:13 PM

"But really, is it going to be $8K of satisfaction better than my A6, or my Solaris? .... Thoughts? Practicality vs. want."

The few videos I've seen make it clear to me that the Moog One is truly a musical instrument - the whole is far greater than the sum of the parts. Does a primo Stradivarius really provide millions of dollars worth of satisfaction more than a well made contemporary violin? Hell yes it does.
Posted By: Legatoboy

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 12:41 PM






Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 01:09 PM

I hope Moog does follow through on implementing polyAT. Alesis promised it in the Andromeda and got as far as including it in the list of modulation sources, but it never happened.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 01:12 PM

Another YT demo gets deleted.

Why are these things dropping off of YT?
Posted By: Toano88

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 01:37 PM

At that price I will just have to live with my DeepMind 12. Unless Behringer can make one with similar specs that would allow me feed my family too. I would like a Shelby Cobra too, but I would settle for one of the many copies.
Posted By: Legatoboy

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 01:43 PM

Poly AT would make this thing sing...
Posted By: scottasin

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 01:47 PM

if I sold every other piece of music gear (not including the Wurlitzer) I own and my car, I could just about buy it. I kinda need a car to get to work, though.

Yaknow, I don't really have any debt... maybe its time to start living the American dream.
Originally Posted By: Tombstone88
At that price I will just have to live with my DeepMind 12. Unless Behringer can make one with similar specs that would allow me feed my family too. I would like a Shelby Cobra too, but I would settle for one of the many copies.
but really, I think my most reasonable option is selling my semi-functional JD-800 and buying a new Deepmind 6 or 12 that functions perfectly. Compromise, right?
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 01:57 PM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
I hope Moog does follow through on implementing polyAT. Alesis promised it in the Andromeda and got as far as including it in the list of modulation sources, but it never happened.


TELL ME ABOUT IT! taz taz taz taz taz

There is no way I am spending $8000 (or even $80!) on a polysynth that doesn't respond to PolyAT. I learned my lesson with both the Andromeda and SE Omega 8.
Posted By: Toano88

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 02:02 PM

Exactly! I like my Deepmind 12 more than I thought I would, the price drop made me decide to give it a try. I'm usually a preset guy but I have had a ball creating my own sounds. The Moog One sounds like a great synth. I would bet they'd sell more if the price was a bit more down to earth. Save your money wait till the next recession and watch the price fall! Looking at the stock market plunge 400pts today it might come sooner than you think.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 02:34 PM

By the time you saved up the money for a One, Moog will have released a lower-cost polysynth.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 03:22 PM

Chuck Levins put up the Moog One on their FB page. So who's up for an MAKCF-esque party at Chucks when it lands there?
Posted By: scottasin

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 03:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Tombstone88
Exactly! I like my Deepmind 12 more than I thought I would, the price drop made me decide to give it a try. I'm usually a preset guy but I have had a ball creating my own sounds. The Moog One sounds like a great synth. I would bet they'd sell more if the price was a bit more down to earth. Save your money wait till the next recession and watch the price fall! Looking at the stock market plunge 400pts today it might come sooner than you think.
When it comes down to it, I'm not really a synth player anyways. If we're speaking of keyboards alone, I'd use and get a lot more personal enjoyment from spending 6 grand on a nice DP/speaker setup, or getting myself an upright and a couple of mics for recording with. The Moog One is a dream piece of mine like it is for everyone, but it'd probably end up getting used way less than its worth.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 03:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Tombstone88
Save your money wait till the next recession and watch the price fall! Looking at the stock market plunge 400pts today it might come sooner than you think.


So because it isn't priced like a Behringer, you are wishing for a stock market plunge meaning a nationwide loss of jobs and an economy disaster that ripples through banks, employers, millions of middle class people, et al just so you can drive the price of a keyboard within your selfish reach? Classy my man, real classy...
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 03:37 PM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Chuck Levins put up the Moog One on their FB page. So who's up for an MAKCF-esque party at Chucks when it lands there?


wave
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 03:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
I hope Moog does follow through on implementing polyAT. Alesis promised it in the Andromeda and got as far as including it in the list of modulation sources, but it never happened.


TELL ME ABOUT IT! taz taz taz taz taz

There is no way I am spending $8000 (or even $80!) on a polysynth that doesn't respond to PolyAT. I learned my lesson with both the Andromeda and SE Omega 8.


Even after they add poly AT support to the One, you're still looking at a 45lb. keyboard you need to drag to your gigs along with your poly AT controller. Maybe it would make more sense to wait for Moog to put out a module.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 03:45 PM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
I hope Moog does follow through on implementing polyAT. Alesis promised it in the Andromeda and got as far as including it in the list of modulation sources, but it never happened.


TELL ME ABOUT IT! taz taz taz taz taz

There is no way I am spending $8000 (or even $80!) on a polysynth that doesn't respond to PolyAT. I learned my lesson with both the Andromeda and SE Omega 8.


Even after they add poly AT support to the One, you're still looking at a 45lb. keyboard you need to drag to your gigs along with your poly AT controller. Maybe it would make more sense to wait for Moog to put out a module.


I would not want it (Poly AT, or to lug my Midiboard around) for live use. I also have other synths that do respond to it, (OB6, Prophet 6, Polaris) so while it would be nice, not crucial for me.
Posted By: Toano88

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 03:54 PM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
So because it isn't priced like a Behringer, you are wishing for a stock market plunge meaning a nationwide loss of jobs and an economy disaster that ripples through banks, employers, millions of middle class people, et al just so you can drive the price of a keyboard within your selfish reach? Classy my man, real classy...


Not wishing, expecting the inevitable. I never wrote the word "wish". You are putting your guess of the motivation. It's like saving for a rainy day. You don't wish for rain, unless your in a drought. It just happens. Same thing with recessions, you don't want them but when they happen you buy up under valued stocks if you can.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Chuck Levins put up the Moog One on their FB page. So who's up for an MAKCF-esque party at Chucks when it lands there?


wave


like
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Tombstone88
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
So because it isn't priced like a Behringer, you are wishing for a stock market plunge meaning a nationwide loss of jobs and an economy disaster that ripples through banks, employers, millions of middle class people, et al just so you can drive the price of a keyboard within your selfish reach? Classy my man, real classy...


Not wishing, expecting the inevitable. I never wrote the word "wish". You are putting your guess of the motivation. It's like saving for a rainy day. You don't wish for rain, unless your in a drought. It just happens. Same thing with recessions, you don't want them but when they happen you buy up under valued stocks if you can.


I don't care whether you said the word "wish" or not. No amount of semantic evasions will excuse your poor disposition.

Some of us support the labor and effort that went into this wonderful instrument we have been wishing for a long time.
Posted By: Toano88

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 04:35 PM

Then buy it! I'm not stopping you. Meanwhile I think I will make another donation to homes for humanity. And the hurricane relief efforts.
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 04:43 PM

Hurricane Michael's eye is due to come through here tomorrow afternoon. This'll be a first for me--two hurricane eyes in the same calendar year.

Grey
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
I hope Moog does follow through on implementing polyAT. Alesis promised it in the Andromeda and got as far as including it in the list of modulation sources, but it never happened.

Even after they add poly AT support to the One, you're still looking at a 45lb. keyboard you need to drag to your gigs along with your poly AT controller. Maybe it would make more sense to wait for Moog to put out a module.
Well Guv, I don't gig anymore, so that isn't an issue. If I did it would be with just a Laptop, a VAX77 (folding keyboard, fits in a rolling suitcase!) and maybe a Behringer D; I certainly wouldn't be taking a Moog One out.



Also, given that the Moog One has five internal fans and a huge number of knobs/etc., any non-keyboard version would be pretty massive. I think Moog looks at this as a flagship synth, and believe it would be highly unlikely they release a module.
Posted By: Toano88

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 04:50 PM

I've never been able to lay my hands on a VAX77. I love the idea of it.
Posted By: Toano88

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 04:53 PM

Yes GRollins, I really feel for those folks in the panhandle. I hope that most left. Things can be replaced, people cannot.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 05:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Also, given that the Moog One has five internal fans


How do you know this detail? Are the fans noisy?
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By: matted stump
Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Also, given that the Moog One has five internal fans


How do you know this detail? Are the fans noisy?


YT video of assembly of Moog One.

Are the fans noisy? Dunno. Maybe their fan speed can be modulated over MIDI...? laugh
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 06:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
I hope Moog does follow through on implementing polyAT. Alesis promised it in the Andromeda and got as far as including it in the list of modulation sources, but it never happened.

Even after they add poly AT support to the One, you're still looking at a 45lb. keyboard you need to drag to your gigs along with your poly AT controller. Maybe it would make more sense to wait for Moog to put out a module.
Well Guv, I don't gig anymore, so that isn't an issue. If I did it would be with just a Laptop, a VAX77 (folding keyboard, fits in a rolling suitcase!) and maybe a Behringer D; I certainly wouldn't be taking a Moog One out.

Also, given that the Moog One has five internal fans and a huge number of knobs/etc., any non-keyboard version would be pretty massive. I think Moog looks at this as a flagship synth, and believe it would be highly unlikely they release a module.


Like the other fellow, would love to try a VAX someday.

In my area, portability is a consideration, because we're expected to bring gear to the MAKCF "venue" for show-and-tell with the rest of the MACKF mafia/gang/club.

I doubt the One in its full glory would be repackaged as a module. I could see a OPoint Five in a module though. I doubt Moog worked this hard on the One to just let the technology gather dust in their factory and not do something more with it in the form of future products.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/10/18 07:54 PM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Like the other fellow, would love to try a VAX someday.


While I kinda wish I hadn't sold my Kurzweil MIDIBoard, I absolutely love the VAX77. Really excellent control of PolyAT, and a very good all-purpose keyboard touch for playing both piano and synth. They are as rare as hens' teeth these days, very rarely going up for sale.
Posted By: Ockeghem

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/11/18 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Chuck Levins put up the Moog One on their FB page. So who's up for an MAKCF-esque party at Chucks when it lands there?


wave

cool
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/11/18 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Chuck Levins put up the Moog One on their FB page. So who's up for an MAKCF-esque party at Chucks when it lands there?


wave


like

I'll definitely trek up to the mecca for a mini-MAKCH to check out the Moog One.

I already know it will not supplant my Prophet 6. laugh cool
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/11/18 05:55 PM

I pulled the trigger. I'm reasonably confident support for poly aftertouch will materialize in a software update, but am content with it as-is.

This is the most complete and well thought out analog poly I have seen in a long time. Any future update adding new effects or whatever will be icing on the cake.

It has real preset bank and slot select buttons, just like the old Roland arrangement I was so fond of. Fricking amazing - never thought I would see those again.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/11/18 06:09 PM

Congratulations.

We all hate you.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/11/18 09:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Congratulations.

We all hate you.


8 or 16 voice, Dave? Need to know how much hate will be involved here. laugh
Posted By: Lady Gaia

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/11/18 09:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Congratulations.

We all hate you.


Nonsense! Some of us just want to be invited over for Thanksgiving.
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/11/18 10:04 PM

Hate during the Thanksgiving feast...like that's never happened before!

Grey
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/11/18 10:05 PM

(...pssst!...I vote for 16...)

Grey
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: matted stump
I pulled the trigger. I'm reasonably confident support for poly aftertouch will materialize in a software update, but am content with it as-is.

This is the most complete and well thought out analog poly I have seen in a long time. Any future update adding new effects or whatever will be icing on the cake.

It has real preset bank and slot select buttons, just like the old Roland arrangement I was so fond of. Fricking amazing - never thought I would see those again.


These next two weeks are going to drag. I am also hoping for PolyAT and MPE, but if they never show up, so be it. If they do, I am picturing myself with the One perched on my Midiboard wearing a crown, scepter and ermine robe. King of the world, ma.

P.S....I do not really have delusions of grandeur.
P.P.S.. And not real fur. Faux ermine. But not even that.
P.P.P.S I will need a cape though, and will be in multitimbral dual manual (one with PolyAT) bliss.

Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 01:44 AM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Congratulations.

We all hate you.


8 or 16 voice, Dave? Need to know how much hate will be involved here. laugh


16 voices, hate on! w00t This is either going to allow me to finally sell my inoperative Chroma, or inspire me to finally fix it.

I think a Blofeld would be a good companion synth to do the digital waveforms that the Moog won't. Costs much less too...
Posted By: Nathanael_I

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 03:23 AM

My VAX77 is the studio keyboard. It sits on my music desk to drive the composition rig. I like the flat top - I have computer keyboards, a mouse and a fader box on top of it. I used to play it live - great with Pianoteq. But it lives in the studio now. It was great to set up and tear down. I'd prefer something with a better piano action for pianos, but it works great for what I use it for and I've gotten my $$ out of it many times over at this point. I can't say I use the PolyAT that much. Even the cheap Seaboard Block has much better control. Someday I will get a Haken Continuum - that's the "fine art" instrument in the PolyAT game - but not much (anything) like a piano!
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 06:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
P.P.P.S I will need a cape though....


"No capes!"
--Edna Mode--

Grey
Posted By: RudyS

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 08:20 AM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Congratulations.

We all hate you.


8 or 16 voice, Dave? Need to know how much hate will be involved here. laugh


Haha Yes! Congrats Dave!
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 11:25 AM

Part 4 of the factory video series, featuring special guest Kevin Lamb. Lots of emphasis on pads and soundtrack type tones. Lamb really works the (channel) aftertouch and XY touchpad. Tried to cue it up to around the 26 min. mark to avoid the 26 min. of nothing.

Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 11:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Lady Gaia
Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Congratulations.

We all hate you.


Nonsense! Some of us just want to be invited over for Thanksgiving.


I'll bring the beverages. laugh

Posted By: TechEverlasting

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 12:04 PM

"I think a Blofeld would be a good companion synth to do the digital waveforms that the Moog won't. Costs much less too..."

You might also consider taking a look at the Novation Peak for some digital sheen.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 12:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Nathanael_I
My VAX77 is the studio keyboard. It sits on my music desk to drive the composition rig. I like the flat top - I have computer keyboards, a mouse and a fader box on top of it. I used to play it live - great with Pianoteq. But it lives in the studio now. It was great to set up and tear down. I'd prefer something with a better piano action for pianos, but it works great for what I use it for and I've gotten my $$ out of it many times over at this point. I can't say I use the PolyAT that much. Even the cheap Seaboard Block has much better control. Someday I will get a Haken Continuum - that's the "fine art" instrument in the PolyAT game - but not much (anything) like a piano!

Mine also lives in the studio, I have never folded it since it arrived. The second revision included an option for an "Ultra Heavy" touch, which works much better for playing piano (I also use Pianoteq). The PolyAT is adjustable in the Firmware, I have mine set so that it requires a little bit more effort, and there is a slight lag in the updating of pressure messages- it makes it nice and smooth, and very controllable- I am extremely happy with it. In contrast, most other polyAT keyboards I have played (including my GEM S3) had a touch I consider a bit too light. Personally I consider the VAX77 PolyAT almost equal to the Kurzweil MIDIBoard, and certainly better than anything else out there. The Roli stuff I don't like at all- like playing a sponge. The Haken Continuum is interesting, but I prefer an actual keyboard.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 12:40 PM

Originally Posted By: matted stump


16 voices, hate on! w00t


Congrats !!!

Please keep us informed.

Warmup time, tuning stability, auto-tune speed,- also if auto tune routine can be recalled via MIDI,- fan noise too.
Maybe it gets hotter w/ 16 voices vs 8.

I remember the fastest MIDI recallable auto-tune routine was in my MKS80 rev4.
It made it usable live even it needed about 30min warmup time until it was stable.

smile

A.C.
Posted By: Legatoboy

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 01:58 PM

Originally Posted By: TechEverlasting
"I think a Blofeld would be a good companion synth to do the digital waveforms that the Moog won't. Costs much less too..."

You might also consider taking a look at the Novation Peak for some digital sheen.


They're great little boxes the Blofeld's bought one for my old 80's project...I found being able to run filters in series is unbelievably powerful in creating sounds and textures which you can do with both the Moog One and Blofeld...

Alot of the Moog One features remind me of the my old OB Expander (Matrix 12). Which I would spend hours with . . .
Posted By: dje31

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: GRollins
Originally Posted By: Beethree
P.P.P.S I will need a cape though....


"No capes!"
--Edna Mode--

Grey


Try telling that to Rick Wakeman...
Posted By: synthetic

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 05:23 PM

They promised MPE, I assume MIDI PolyAT is easy after that. PolyAT never really took off, but MPE sure has. Although I'm struggling to think of a time I used it on a song, even after buying and refurbishing a MIDIboard just for that feature.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 07:43 PM

Hey Jerry, when you have an extra hour smile

Posted By: hardware

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 09:04 PM

Great guy to review parameters which I was unaware of.
Looping EGs is like Townsend’s Baba O’Reilly intro.
This thing has me feverish.

Guess it’s time to start scratching around for money.
So glad he didn’t bathe everything in FX like many of the demos.

Gotta have 16 voices.
Wish there was a rack.
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 09:52 PM

"This thing doesn't have program numbers. The sounds aren't assigned to a specific spot. The sounds just live in the machine." (44:30)


I'm not sure how this works. Does the Moog One respond to program change commands? I imagine Moog has thought this through, but it may involve a workflow that's different than what we're used to.
Posted By: hardware

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 10:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Bill H.
"This thing doesn't have program numbers. The sounds aren't assigned to a specific spot. The sounds just live in the machine." (44:30)


I'm not sure how this works. Does the Moog One respond to program change commands? I imagine Moog has thought this through, but it may involve a workflow that's different than what we're used to.


You gotta have presets of some kind?
I use the Code 8 and SE-02 with very few presets.
But you need certain structures to at least start with.
Being multitimbral I can’t see how this synth could not have recall, especially for multis.

Damn, you just dusted my high..
Posted By: RichieP_MechE

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/12/18 11:17 PM

Originally Posted By: hardware
Originally Posted By: Bill H.
"This thing doesn't have program numbers. The sounds aren't assigned to a specific spot. The sounds just live in the machine." (44:30)


I'm not sure how this works. Does the Moog One respond to program change commands? I imagine Moog has thought this through, but it may involve a workflow that's different than what we're used to.


You gotta have presets of some kind?
I use the Code 8 and SE-02 with very few presets.
But you need certain structures to at least start with.
Being multitimbral I can’t see how this synth could not have recall, especially for multis.

Damn, you just dusted my high..

There are program banks you can assign sounds to, saw it in another video but forget which one. Look at the front panel and you have "Performance Set" on the lower right. A-H and 1-8. I assume those are easy to access via MIDI.
Posted By: synthetic

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/13/18 12:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Bill H.
"This thing doesn't have program numbers. The sounds aren't assigned to a specific spot. The sounds just live in the machine." (44:30)


That sounds really good to me. I'd like to save a patch without thinking, "74... was that any good? I can't remember. Oh well, bye bye."
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/13/18 12:55 AM

It was demonstrated in one of the streams. 8 banks of 8 one touch presets on the panel.

Scroll thru your screen full of library patches or search by type, mood, etc. Select the synth patch in the screen, then hold down a preset button for a couple seconds to assign - like saving a FM radio preset in a car.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/13/18 01:07 AM

Originally Posted By: matted stump
like saving a FM radio preset in a car.


Yup, very 20th century. twothumbs grin
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/15/18 12:07 PM

I don't know if anyone would buy this synthesizer and use it for gigs. WAY too expensive to risk wear and tear moving it around, or worse, damaged or stolen.

That said, there are those of us that did take one-night stand gigs and needed our full compliment of equipment.

Presets are mandatory for any live show. Press a preset button and go. We don't have the luxury of time looking for sounds when planted on stage. One song after the other keeps the crowd under control and on the dance floor.



Mike T.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/15/18 12:30 PM

Originally Posted By: MikeT156
I don't know if anyone would buy this synthesizer and use it for gigs.


wave

Quote:
WAY too expensive to risk wear and tear moving it around, or worse, damaged


That's what Anvil cases are for. Carried my Memorymoog in an Anvil case since 1986 and it still looks great.

Quote:
or stolen.


It weighs 45 lbs, as much as the Memorymoog. 90% of thefts are the work of one person. They target things that are light and easily concealed during the flight to their getaway car. Moog One is deeper than a MM so it is a bulky item. Thus thieves are going to prefer easier targets like guitars and microphones over a bulky 45lb keyboard.

And inside an Anvil case, no one knows what it is by peeking in a vehicle. Out of sight, out of mind. And don't plaster them with names of your favorite gear, they literally say STEAL ME.

Quote:
Presets are mandatory for any live show. Press a preset button and go. We don't have the luxury of time looking for sounds when planted on stage. One song after the other keeps the crowd under control and on the dance floor.


That's why you learn an instrument. You know - PRACTICE? I memorized where all my sounds are on my keyboards and can punch them up quickly and go.
Posted By: analogika

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/15/18 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
Originally Posted By: MikeT156
I don't know if anyone would buy this synthesizer and use it for gigs.


wave

Quote:
WAY too expensive to risk wear and tear moving it around, or worse, damaged


That's what Anvil cases are for. Carried my Memorymoog in an Anvil case since 1986 and it still looks great.

Also: insurance.

Quote:
Quote:
or stolen.


It weighs 45 lbs, as much as the Memorymoog. 90% of thefts are the work of one person. They target things that are light and easily concealed during the flight to their getaway car. Moog One is deeper than a MM so it is a bulky item. Thus thieves are going to prefer easier targets like guitars and microphones over a bulky 45lb keyboard.

And inside an Anvil case, no one knows what it is by peeking in a vehicle. Out of sight, out of mind. And don't plaster them with names of your favorite gear, they literally say STEAL ME.


Somebody broke into our van and stole my KX88 in its Anvil case. A fucking KX88. With the case, that was like 60 kilos, for not much money.

Quote:
Quote:
Presets are mandatory for any live show. Press a preset button and go. We don't have the luxury of time looking for sounds when planted on stage. One song after the other keeps the crowd under control and on the dance floor.


That's why you learn an instrument. You know - PRACTICE? I memorized where all my sounds are on my keyboards and can punch them up quickly and go.

Yep. If you're hunting, IMO you're haven't prepared well enough, either yourself — or your gear.
Posted By: Bobby Simons

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/15/18 01:53 PM

Quote:
Somebody broke into our van and stole my KX88 in its Anvil case. A fucking KX88. With the case, that was like 60 kilos, for not much money.


I love mine, currently it's again my primary 88 controller.
Posted By: analogika

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/15/18 02:29 PM

Yep. I went straight out and bought the next one that came up in the local for-sale ads.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/15/18 03:12 PM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC

That's why you learn an instrument. You know - PRACTICE? I memorized where all my sounds are on my keyboards and can punch them up quickly and go.

Don't be such a smart ass. I know my instruments. With the amount of editing/saving/storing available on today's instruments AND the number of songs I play it is a lot more complicated than learning a rinky dink instruments in the old days.

The editing capabilities on my Motif ES8 even back then were extensive. I saved sounds to the 16 track sequencer and could edit the sounds in each track and save it without changing the original sound.


Mike T.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/15/18 03:36 PM

Originally Posted By: MikeT156
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC

That's why you learn an instrument. You know - PRACTICE? I memorized where all my sounds are on my keyboards and can punch them up quickly and go.

Don't be such a smart ass. I know my instruments. With the amount of editing/saving/storing available on today's instruments AND the number of songs I play it is a lot more complicated than learning a rinky dink instruments in the old days.


Ever hear of grouping? You know, arrange string patches in patch number x1 (IE #11, #21, #31, etc), horns in x2, pads in x3, FX in x4, lead solos in x5... That's the convention I use for all my keyboards.

Try to help a fellow musician and the thanks I get is being called a smart ass.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/15/18 05:08 PM

You weren't trying to help. I have hundreds of sounds on my Motif, I have them saved in groups too. I Also have different combos that have variations that are nuance changes that are different than the factory patch. I also have Sets stored on USB sticks that include an entire one hour long set of sequenced songs that can be played back in whatever order I want, depending on what the audience wants to hear.

One of the advantages of computers is that it stores by category and saves them for us in an order that we can retrieve. Over the years, the amount of stored data is huge. I do not over-tax my own memory for capabilities the computer has on board. Same thing applies to modern keyboards.

I load a set, select a song, and play. The work was done at home in my music room, and its all there once I load it into my Motif. I'm organized and it works at crunch time.


Mike T.
Posted By: Sven Golly

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/15/18 05:56 PM

Honestly, sometimes I wonder how some of you people navigate through daily life. facepalm

Quote:
PRESETS AND PERFORMANCE SETS
A Moog One preset is a self contained creative environment, saving the parameter settings for all 3 layers of timbrality, along with all of their respective sequencer, arpeggiator, and modulation settings. Moog One has the ability to store and recall tens of thousands of presets that can easily be categorized, edited, notated, and even shared via USB drive. Up to 64 Presets can also be loaded to Moog One’s ‘Performance Set’ module, where they are instantly selectable via a front panel “Bank / Preset” button configuration—a must for live performance and sessions.


Common sense has died a brutal, idiotic death around this place. I weep for mankind.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/15/18 10:44 PM

"Honestly, sometimes I wonder how some of you people navigate through daily life."

Over the years I've read a number of your sarcastic Posts. I wonder how you managed to live so long.



Mike T.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/15/18 11:21 PM

Moving right along.

I wonder how long it takes to move from one preset/performance to another. Also wonder about boot time, though neither of these are an issue for me. Just curious.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/15/18 11:31 PM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
Moving right along.


yes, please.
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/16/18 02:53 PM

This thread is starting to look like one of my recent threads, where some folks decided to take offense at all costs.

Jeez.

Does anyone have an actual ship date for these things? Sweetwater says "late October," but after the extended wait for my Behringer Model D (yes, I know, different product, different company), I'm a bit skittish about shipping dates.

Grey
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/16/18 04:39 PM

Oct. 24. Since they are already in stock, I believe that date.
Posted By: dazzjazz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/16/18 06:36 PM

I just watched the in-depth Sweetwater review.
I'm not easily impressed by new gear, but the Moog One is totally amazing its depth of possibilities. It seems no-one should ever bother producing another analog polysynth again - except of course, mere mortals cannot afford the Moog!
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/16/18 06:58 PM

Nice see the Forum has taken on a roman feel.

or did I just stumble onto facebook?
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/16/18 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: dazzjazz
...Except of course, mere mortals cannot afford the Moog!


I've seen post on other forums where folks are selling absolutely everything (including a Voyager XL) to fund their purchase. By the way, does anyone need a 1961 C3?
Posted By: U.Honey

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/16/18 07:11 PM

Well I think I saw kidney for sale on this very thread ;-)
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/16/18 09:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Tonysounds
Nice see the Forum has taken on a roman feel.


Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/16/18 09:09 PM

Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/16/18 09:27 PM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
I've seen post on other forums where folks are selling absolutely everything (including a Voyager XL) to fund their purchase.


I know of 2 guys on this forum doing exactly that. I also know the Voyager XL is a completely different synth than The One, but I would believe it would be harder now to get the asking price for an XL now that a 61 note poly 8 voice is available for 50% more.
Posted By: Quai34

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/17/18 02:32 AM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: ksoper
I've seen post on other forums where folks are selling absolutely everything (including a Voyager XL) to fund their purchase.


I know of 2 guys on this forum doing exactly that. I also know the Voyager XL is a completely different synth than The One, but I would believe it would be harder now to get the asking price for an XL now that a 61 note poly 8 voice is available for 50% more.


Exactly, that might be the time to buy a Voyager now. When the Prophet 6 came in, the prophet 08 was sold at a very low price....I bought one at that time....Hum, good times for Moog lovers who had never been able to afford one...
Posted By: Quai34

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/17/18 02:34 AM

Originally Posted By: dazzjazz
I just watched the in-depth Sweetwater review.
I'm not easily impressed by new gear, but the Moog One is totally amazing its depth of possibilities. It seems no-one should ever bother producing another analog polysynth again - except of course, mere mortals cannot afford the Moog!


Do you think that it will kill the Prophet X or will it boost its sales due to the fact that the Prophet X is half the price?
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/17/18 01:23 PM

Moog's "One Synth To Rule Them All" approach has undoubtedly produced a gorgeous drool worthy instrument, but in reality it's also physically large, complex, and heavy.


There will always be a need for nimble synths that you can just grab and go. I'm not sure this is going to tank the price of anything.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/17/18 03:11 PM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: ksoper
I've seen post on other forums where folks are selling absolutely everything (including a Voyager XL) to fund their purchase.


I know of 2 guys on this forum doing exactly that. I also know the Voyager XL is a completely different synth than The One, but I would believe it would be harder now to get the asking price for an XL now that a 61 note poly 8 voice is available for 50% more.


I am not selling off absolutely everything, but have sold several synths and some other recording gear. At this point I will probably wait until I have The One in hand before deciding what else to sell if anything. If anything that would be my Voyager or one of either the Prophet 6 or OB6. But maybe nothing. My biggest seller's remorse is for my Moogerfooger delay. At some point I may have to replace that.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/17/18 03:38 PM

Not planning to sell off anything to buy the One.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/17/18 03:39 PM

Wonder how much candy Sweetwater will throw in the box if I buy a 16 voice?
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/17/18 03:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Beethree


My biggest seller's remorse is for my Moogerfooger delay. At some point I may have to replace that.


Not to worry- they're easily replaceable.

MF-104Z

shocked rolleyes facepalm
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/17/18 03:48 PM

Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
Originally Posted By: Beethree


My biggest seller's remorse is for my Moogerfooger delay. At some point I may have to replace that.


Not to worry- they're easily replaceable.

MF-104Z

shocked rolleyes facepalm


Good gravy. I have two of the original MF104s (Big Briar, not Moog Music).

I think I just funded my Moog One shocked rolleyes facepalm
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/17/18 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC
Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
Originally Posted By: Beethree


My biggest seller's remorse is for my Moogerfooger delay. At some point I may have to replace that.


Not to worry- they're easily replaceable.

MF-104Z

shocked rolleyes facepalm


Good gravy. I have two of the original MF104s (Big Briar, not Moog Music).

I think I just funded my Moog One shocked rolleyes facepalm


That should get you a chunk. That's why I sold mine - a MF104M. Tough decision - but selling a pedal for as much as a keyboard......

I still have a Minifooger delay, which is not the same, but stylistically in the ballpark without all the CV.
Posted By: David Emm

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/17/18 07:49 PM

Its easy to feel excited over a new poly Moog, but I'm waiting to hear what it can do that DOESN'T sound "like a Moog." Those specs would indicate that it can step far beyond the defining big brassy-bassy pads & classic leads. After being waylaid by Wendy Carlos's "Timesteps" so long ago, I know a Moog this "modular" inside should be able to do that and more. Yes, its analog; I simply want to hear more of it. You know its in there. wink
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/17/18 11:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Quai34
Originally Posted By: dazzjazz
I just watched the in-depth Sweetwater review.
I'm not easily impressed by new gear, but the Moog One is totally amazing its depth of possibilities. It seems no-one should ever bother producing another analog polysynth again - except of course, mere mortals cannot afford the Moog!


Do you think that it will kill the Prophet X or will it boost its sales due to the fact that the Prophet X is half the price?


Prophet X is a hard-sell already without "help" from the Moog One. Analog purists won't look at it, and peeps who are in love with sample-based synthesis argue that Omnisphere is a better deal.

There are some synth freaks out there who think analog synths are boring, digital is cool and fun; and would never consider even the Moog One. Those are among the folks who are looking at Prophet X too, but then their attention quickly turns to Waldorf Quantum, which is a more powerful digital synth.

Not that I wouldn't want a PX eventually, but in a niche market (high end synths), it's its own little niche within that niche.
Posted By: Ockeghem

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/18/18 12:51 AM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver


Prophet X is a hard-sell already without "help" from the Moog One. Analog purists won't look at it, and peeps who are in love with sample-based synthesis argue that Omnisphere is a better deal.

There are some synth freaks out there who think analog synths are boring, digital is cool and fun; and would never consider even the Moog One. Those are among the folks who are looking at Prophet X too, but then their attention quickly turns to Waldorf Quantum, which is a more powerful digital synth.

Not that I wouldn't want a PX eventually, but in a niche market (high end synths), it's its own little niche within that niche.


Which one would I prefer? Let me think that One over... confused
Posted By: Quai34

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/18/18 01:47 AM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Originally Posted By: Quai34
Originally Posted By: dazzjazz
I just watched the in-depth Sweetwater review.
I'm not easily impressed by new gear, but the Moog One is totally amazing its depth of possibilities. It seems no-one should ever bother producing another analog polysynth again - except of course, mere mortals cannot afford the Moog!


Do you think that it will kill the Prophet X or will it boost its sales due to the fact that the Prophet X is half the price?


Prophet X is a hard-sell already without "help" from the Moog One. Analog purists won't look at it, and peeps who are in love with sample-based synthesis argue that Omnisphere is a better deal.

There are some synth freaks out there who think analog synths are boring, digital is cool and fun; and would never consider even the Moog One. Those are among the folks who are looking at Prophet X too, but then their attention quickly turns to Waldorf Quantum, which is a more powerful digital synth.

Not that I wouldn't want a PX eventually, but in a niche market (high end synths), it's its own little niche within that niche.

Ok, with All the buzz that was over the Prophet X and knowing people who had ordered it immediately, I had not that feeling about the "niche" synth....Ok, I haven't had enough polysynth on my life to feel that Maybe, my first polysynth was the D50... Not analog...
Posted By: Six-string-man

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/18/18 05:05 AM

Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
Originally Posted By: Beethree


My biggest seller's remorse is for my Moogerfooger delay. At some point I may have to replace that.


Not to worry- they're easily replaceable.

MF-104Z




shocked rolleyes facepalm




Wow! Sorry, but that is really STUPID money, I doubt if it will sell. Over Ģ1500 for a "z" model? Two months ago, I paid Ģ750 on Ebay for a boxed mint MF 104 M.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/18/18 10:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Six-string-man
Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
Originally Posted By: Beethree


My biggest seller's remorse is for my Moogerfooger delay. At some point I may have to replace that.


Not to worry- they're easily replaceable.

MF-104Z




shocked rolleyes facepalm




Wow! Sorry, but that is really STUPID money, I doubt if it will sell. Over Ģ1500 for a "z" model? Two months ago, I paid Ģ750 on Ebay for a boxed mint MF 104 M.


Asking (and selling) prices have shot up over the past few months, or at least after Moog officially discontinued the Moogerfooger line. They will likely drop a bit in the months to come. I loved mine to death, but it sacrificed itself to help pay for my Moog One. I will use a less expensive delay in its stead, and if another MF falls in my lap someday and makes sense financially, I'd be happy to reacquire one.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/18/18 12:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Quai34

Ok, with All the buzz that was over the Prophet X and knowing people who had ordered it immediately, I had not that feeling about the "niche" synth....Ok, I haven't had enough polysynth on my life to feel that Maybe, my first polysynth was the D50... Not analog...


Yeah, the Prophet X thread here was pretty long and lively - some liked it, some hated it on sight without even laying hands on it - the usual.

I've chatted with an opthamologist - the type of eye doctor who gets paid more than the other type - who got a Prophet X....and just preordered a Moog One. For some people, life is good indeed.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/18/18 03:07 PM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver

I've chatted with an opthamologist - the type of eye doctor who gets paid more than the other type - who got a Prophet X....and just preordered a Moog One. For some people, life is good indeed.


As a nurse my wife does a lot of eye cases for an out-patient surgery center. She often tells me about some really cool and expensive (several 100K and up) new toy they just acquired to support eye operations.

Let's just say I would not care to hear my ophthalmologist telling me about his Behringer synth right before my surgery. keys
Posted By: Theo Verelst

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/18/18 04:37 PM

The long Sweetwater demo is an interesting demo, but not entirely generally clear. I don't think I dislike Moog bringing out a polysynth with these sounds, even when it clearly is devoid of the famous tuning of the man himself. It would be interesting for such a project ot have presets or even "skins" or what you'd call it to make it load sounds of other famous Moogs (a good modular, the mini, some poly, etc.) and even act as them. That would make the price easier!

T.
Posted By: GovernorSilver

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/18/18 06:15 PM

Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver

I've chatted with an opthamologist - the type of eye doctor who gets paid more than the other type - who got a Prophet X....and just preordered a Moog One. For some people, life is good indeed.


As a nurse my wife does a lot of eye cases for an out-patient surgery center. She often tells me about some really cool and expensive (several 100K and up) new toy they just acquired to support eye operations.

Let's just say I would not care to hear my ophthalmologist telling me about his Behringer synth right before my surgery. keys


Don't worry, the one I was talking to is in Richmond laugh I'm imagining passing out of the operating table from the anesthesia while he goes on excitedly about crosspatching his brand new Moog One with his modular.

You might not want the one who fixed my retina. He was a guitar nerd.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/18/18 07:15 PM

Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver


You might not want the one who fixed my retina. He was a guitar nerd.


Probably not, although he sounds capoble.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/18/18 10:54 PM

Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
capoble.


Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/18/18 11:59 PM

My 2 favorite vids so far:



Posted By: ProfD

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/19/18 03:53 PM

I'm wondering who will be bringing a Moog One to the next MAKCFH. wink

H8ll, if someone locally cops a Moog One, that will be reason enough to have a gathering. laugh cool
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/19/18 05:48 PM

Since this thread appears to be stalled I've been thinking about the name One and how it translates in different languages. Here's a list of One in several (cough) languages. I've paired up several of these with Moog and what it sounds like to me. Feel free to join me in adding some really valuable content to this thread while we await the user manual and first hand reports from forum members.



Afrikaans: Moog-Een: suggested baby name by expecting father who pre-ordered One.

Azerbaijani: Moog Bir - sounds like More Beer, ain't nobody going to tell you its overpriced.

Bosnian: Moog-Jedan: Moog religious fanatics

Catalan/Welsh: Moog'Un - Bob Marley's sequel to Jam'n

Danish: MoogEn: as in Guten Moogen - the morning after taking delivery

German: MoogEin - Albert Einstien's synth playing half brother

English: Moog One - a derivative of wtf


Take it away folks:


Spanish: uno

Estonian: üks
Basque: bat
Persian: &#1740;&#1705;&#1740;
Finnish: yksi
French: un
Irish: ceann amháin
Galician: un
Gujarati: &#2703;&#2709;
Hausa: daya
Hindi: &#2319;&#2325;
Hmong: one
Croatian: jedan
Haitian Creole: youn
Hungarian: egy
Armenian: &#1396;&#1381;&#1391;&#1384;
Indonesian: satu
Igbo: otu
Icelandic: einn
Italian: uno
Hebrew: &#1488;&#1495;&#1491;
Japanese: 1
Javanese: siji
Georgian: &#4308;&#4320;&#4311;&#4312;
Kazakh: &#1073;&#1110;&#1088;
Khmer: &#6040;&#6077;&#6041;
Kannada: &#3218;&#3202;&#3238;&#3265;
Korean: &#54616;&#45208;
Latin: one
Lao: &#3755;&#3737;&#3766;&#3784;&#3719;
Lithuanian: vienas
Latvian: vienu
Malagasy: iray
Maori: kotahi
Macedonian: &#1077;&#1076;&#1077;&#1085;
Malayalam: &#3346;&#3368;&#3405;&#3368;&#3405;
Mongolian: &#1085;&#1101;&#1075;
Marathi: &#2319;&#2325;
Malay: satu
Maltese: wa&#295;da
Myanmar (Burmese): &#4112;&#4101;&#4154;
Nepali: &#2319;&#2325;
Dutch: een
Norwegian: en
Chichewa: imodzi
Punjabi: &#2567;&#2673;&#2581;
Polish: jeden
Portuguese: 1
Romanian: unu
Russian: &#1086;&#1076;&#1080;&#1085;
Sinhala: &#3473;&#3482;
Slovak: jeden
Slovenian: eno
Somali: hal
Albanian: një
Serbian: &#1112;&#1077;&#1076;&#1072;&#1085;
Sesotho: ngoe
Sundanese: hiji
Swedish: ett
Swahili: moja
Tamil: &#2962;&#2992;&#3009;
Telugu: &#3090;&#3093;&#3103;&#3135;
Tajik: &#1103;&#1082;
Thai: &#3627;&#3609;&#3638;&#3656;&#3591;
Filipino: isa
Turkish: bir
Ukrainian: &#1086;&#1076;&#1080;&#1085;
Urdu: &#1575;&#1740;&#1705;
Uzbek: biri
Vietnamese: m&#7897;t
Yiddish: &#1488;&#1497;&#1497;&#1504;&#1506;&#1512;
Yoruba: &#7885;kan
Chinese: &#19968;
Chinese (Simplified): &#19968;
Chinese (Traditional): &#19968;
Zulu: eyodwa
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/19/18 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
Take it away folks


Malagasy: Moog Iray-Jamaican feeling of joy.

Slovenian: Moog Eno-Brian's cousin.

Somali: Moog Hal-nothing shallow about these phat presets.

Swedish: Moog Ett-the cow cousin of a wingette.

Swahili: Moog Moja-Got her working now.

Zulu: Moog Eyodwa-Moogie Yoda. May the force be with the player.

Maybe the Moog One will be game-changer globally. laugh cool
Posted By: David Emm

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/19/18 07:19 PM

When you insure your Moog One- and you must- will it be for the original retail price or the hunted-to-death prices five years from now on ebay and Reverb.com? Then there's the synth doctor fund, just like you need a vet fund if you're a dog/cat owner. Then there's the oak axe handle you need so you can shake it threatingly at anyone who gets too close to the Moog. Accessories!! taz
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/23/18 09:34 PM

Shipping date pushed back, at least for me to the 29th. ;(
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/23/18 10:00 PM

frown Me too. I may have missed out on the first batch entirely. Second batch promised Nov 5, but promises are empty...
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/23/18 10:09 PM

I guess they are flashing the latest OS and presets at Sweetwater before shipping.
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/24/18 09:13 AM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
Shipping date pushed back, at least for me to the 29th. ;(


New thread title: Moog One shipping dates keep slipping...

Grey

PS: Just kidding. I doubt Moog will fall as far behind as Behringer (especially given the price differential).
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/24/18 11:05 AM

The Moog One doesn't just sound BIG, it sounds HUGE.

The ultra FAT sounds are a big advantage, especially when playing traditionally "weaker" sounds that sound LAME on a VA or not so great on even on improved digital/analog Hybrids that are available.

The price is higher than other modern synths, but think about this:

In 1981 I bought a Prophet 5 Rev 3.2 that listed for $3999.00. In today's dollars, that would be $15,000. Yep. I did get a discount, but I was paying that synth off through a BANK LOAN.

The good new is, I still have it, it still works fine, and I never regretted buying it.


Cheers!


Mike T.
Posted By: zxcvbnm098

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/24/18 11:24 AM

Originally Posted By: MikeT156
The Moog One doesn't just sound BIG, it sounds HUGE.

The ultra FAT sounds are a big advantage, especially when playing traditionally "weaker" sounds that sound LAME on a VA or not so great on even on improved digital/analog Hybrids that are available.

The price is higher than other modern synths, but think about this:

In 1981 I bought a Prophet 5 Rev 3.2 that listed for $3999.00. In today's dollars, that would be $15,000. Yep. I did get a discount, but I was paying that synth off through a BANK LOAN.

The good new is, I still have it, it still works fine, and I never regretted buying it.


Cheers!


Mike T.


Mike, according to Wikipedia the list price actually went up to $4595 for the Rev 3's! It was $3995 for the earlier models. And if I recall correctly, bank loans during those years had quite high interest rates as well.....that must have been a steep payment.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/24/18 11:31 AM

Originally Posted By: MikeT156
The Moog One doesn't just sound BIG, it sounds HUGE. The ultra FAT sounds are a big advantage, especially when playing traditionally "weaker" sounds that sound LAME on a VA or not so great on even on improved digital/analog Hybrids that are available.
Have you actually had hands-on time with One? People are complaint over on GS that the videos sound less than great, though I am of the opinion that you really can't tell on Youtube what a synth really sounds like.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/24/18 11:59 AM

[/quote]
Mike, according to Wikipedia the list price actually went up to $4595 for the Rev 3's! It was $3995 for the earlier models. And if I recall correctly, bank loans during those years had quite high interest rates as well.....that must have been a steep payment.[/quote]

You could be right, I only remember the 4k retail price back then. I had a good relationship with Dickstein Distributing in Scranton PA back in those days, and I got a great deal. Cash worked just as well back then as it does now.

Yep, it was a steep payment. Interest rates were off the charts. But I sucked it up. I don't remember the monthly payment I made, but I was playing decent paying gigs and used what I made to buy GEAR! I had an OBX that I had bought previous to the Prophet, so I was $ynth poor. No house payment, life is about choices!


Mike T.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/24/18 12:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: MikeT156
The Moog One doesn't just sound BIG, it sounds HUGE. The ultra FAT sounds are a big advantage, especially when playing traditionally "weaker" sounds that sound LAME on a VA or not so great on even on improved digital/analog Hybrids that are available.
Have you actually had hands-on time with One? People are complaint over on GS that the videos sound less than great, though I am of the opinion that you really can't tell on Youtube what a synth really sounds like.


No, I have not put my hands on the Moog One. Youtube videos over the Internet will only sound a good as my computer speakers that is not a real good audition by any measure. However I have compared the Moog to the latest Sequential demos, and the Moog sounded much bigger. So is the price tag.

That said, I am very impressed with the Prophet 6. Its like my P5 with modern features. It sounds very similar to mine, but I have not heard any dramatic filter sweeps like my old reliable synth can do. Its a small part of the sound, but an important one. Still love the Sequential sound, and I can't knock the price tag of their keyboards.

Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/24/18 01:13 PM

Originally Posted By: DarkyLord
Originally Posted By: The Ghastly MC


It will never need an upgrade with those cool waveform scopes.


Yeah, they do seem a little gimmicky at first but as long as they reflect the post modulation parameters they could prove interesting and even useful at times.


Boo cry ! Maybe only 6 people here care but these are not scopes as stated in today's live stream.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/24/18 01:48 PM

"Tracking will be emailed to you once this is scanned at the FedEx terminal. ETA 2-3 days."
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/24/18 02:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
"Tracking will be emailed to you once this is scanned at the FedEx terminal. ETA 2-3 days."


PianoBanana PianoBanana PianoBanana

Hope I'm not coming across as a whiner. I'm totally excited about this synth. Just want to keep the factual parts...factual.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. - 10/24/18 02:56 PM

As I feared, I missed out on the first batch. My Sweetwater rep says I'm in the second batch due in Nov 5.

He also confirmed they are still updating the OS and adding presets, and that the ones they had already in stock are being updated before they go out.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. - 10/24/18 04:42 PM

There was an old saying in the early days of the Micro Computer.
"Never buy version 1.0 of anything." That still applies to anything by Microsoft.

Any thoughts on sitting back and waiting for the Moog One OS to be debugged?



Mike T.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. - 10/24/18 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: MikeT156
Any thoughts on sitting back and waiting for the Moog One OS to be debugged?


It never stopped me from being an early owner of Voyager and Taurus 3.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. - 10/24/18 05:17 PM

So how did that go? I'm curious about that Voyager OS. That is a sophisticated instrument.

I'm happy to see you're still above ground MC. The only thing that is older than me is dirt.



Mike T.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. - 10/26/18 02:35 AM

From version 1.0 and onward, no software problems in my Sig's 16 year life. Updating the OS by sysex hasn't ever been fun. (Is it B, A, C or B, C, A?) In whatever order the current directions have you load the files, the Sig asks for a different order. That'll make you squirm a little.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. - 10/26/18 03:14 AM

This wait is killing me. What do you do after you have memorized all the videos and soundcloud files?
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/26/18 10:13 AM

Originally Posted By: matted stump
This wait is killing me. What do you do after you have memorized all the videos and soundcloud files?


The manual is now available on line.

https://back.moogmusic.com/sites/default/files/2018-10/Moog_One_Manual.pdf

Honestly after watching all the videos there was not much in there that was a revelation.

My One comes today!!!!!!

I plan on strapping it on like a Keytar and wearing it 24/7 for a while.
Posted By: Synthoid

Re: Moog One. - 10/26/18 10:21 AM

Originally Posted By: Beethree
My One comes today!!!!!!

I plan on strapping it on like a Keytar and wearing it 24/7 for a while.


I'll notify your chiropractor. laugh
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. - 10/26/18 11:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Beethree


The manual is now available on line.



"Warning: Do not place the One near any heat source or even a placard with the word "heat" printed on it. It's 45 lbs. That's more weight than you think. We don't care if you can bench 250, call a couple of friends to help you unbox it. Promise beer and pizza. Don't place the warm pizza near the One. Do not taunt the One."

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Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/26/18 11:38 AM

Originally Posted By: ksoper


It's 45 lbs.


Must still be using leaded solder.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/26/18 10:29 PM

****Crossposting from another message board****


Have unboxed, and set up, messed about for about an hour, and no recordings for now.
The major points:
1. It sounds amazing and is so malleable that when it does not, you can make it so.
2. Annoying when you switch presents with delay/verb still hanging on. This needs a bug fix, but for the time being, don't do that.
3. Fan noise after the initial boot up is not bad for me. Quieter than a computer, a DeepMind, or background noise of a guitar amp turned up loud.
4. Gain staging is supremely important, in a good way.
5. Took one of my go to OB6 patches, just because it happened to be sitting within arms length, and tried, with limited success, to match it. Suddenly got much closer when I played with the envelope attach curve. This is potent. Ultimately found a Moog preset with OB in the name that was in the same ballpark, tweaked that, and got a little closer. Still, that particular OB6 patch makes my big toe shoot up in my boot, to quote Little Richard.
6. The oscillators definitely do not, without assistance, jump out of the speakers crackling with life like those of a Model D or some vintage VCO's. They are however, to put it in a good light, classy and rich. Also versatile, and with the waveform shaping and mixing, capable of a huge variety of tones. They are more lively with no modulation tricks than say, the digital oscillators of a Pro-2, or the DCO's of a Juno ( or DM12 as a contemporary example). One of my next moves will be to use a boost pedal with a little bit of "hair" on it on an insert with the filter wide open, and bring it into the external input of another "synth" to drive the filter a bit more, and to see how Minimoogy it can get. I will also similarly experiment with using my Voyager oscillators with the slew rate mod triggered via midi into an external input mostly for my own edification as an A/B. Will do same with the OB6 or Prophet 6.

In a short time, what I know it can do is to be an absolutely brilliant and deep polysynth. In my mind it is the polyphonic love child of a Pro-2 and a Voyager, but with both of their best features, and better looking and more successful than its parents. I did most of my little bit of tweaking sans effects, but I'd pop them on to mess with them, and they are wonderful. It can cover a lot of ground. A string sound with the ensemble effect sounds pretty great. A fat but clean bass - pretty great. Pillowy OB type sound - great. Still working on a screaming lead where one note will raise the hairs on your arms. Think I can get there. But where this will really shine is not covering for other instruments but exploring what is uniquely the Moog One, and that is by far the most exciting thing.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. - 10/26/18 11:11 PM

Most excellent!
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/27/18 06:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken

6. The oscillators definitely do not, without assistance, jump out of the speakers crackling with life like those of a Model D or some vintage VCO's. They are however, to put it in a good light, classy and rich. Also versatile, and with the waveform shaping and mixing, capable of a huge variety of tones. They are more lively with no modulation tricks than say, the digital oscillators of a Pro-2, or the DCO's of a Juno ( or DM12 as a contemporary example). One of my next moves will be to use a boost pedal with a little bit of "hair" on it on an insert with the filter wide open, and bring it into the external input of another "synth" to drive the filter a bit more, and to see how Minimoogy it can get. I will also similarly experiment with using my Voyager oscillators with the slew rate mod triggered via midi into an external input mostly for my own edification as an A/B. Will do same with the OB6 or Prophet 6.


I would be doing similar just to see where this puppy sits and getting acclimated to her personality. I am very interested in the modulation possibilities as one would explore on a modular to get those unique percolating rhythmic effects and the crunchiness this can bring out in certain sounds. Modulating one lfo with another at the different rate ranges would be high up on my list.

Congrats Phil and MS - enjoy. I believe Marzzz will be along shortly to join your party. twothumbs
Posted By: realtrance

Re: Moog One. - 10/27/18 09:11 PM

I've decided not to indulge; it sounds great, would be a good replacement for my Andromeda, but the fans might bother me, I'm very sensitive to unwanted noise like that.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. - 10/27/18 09:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken
3. Fan noise after the initial boot up is not bad for me. Quieter than a computer, a DeepMind, or background noise of a guitar amp turned up loud.

This is one issue that has me concerned, over on GS it has been described as anywhere between "unnoticeable" to "I can hear it from the next room." I was on the original ship list for Sweetwater, but logistics of a house remodel and travel over the next few weeks made me decide to wait until early December delivery. The other issue is I want it to respond to PolyAT over MIDI; it is in the future but it looks like they have more important issues to deal with.

I don't understand why they didn't use the quietest fans possible, this is after all and $8000 synth. There are 5 fans, maybe it is just a matter of a firmware update but I know if my unit were noisy it would drive me crazy. Hopefully if it does prove to be an ubiquitous issue they would consider using much quieter fans (and replace noisy ones from previous builds).

A few people have complained that it didn't sound like a Memorymoog; personally I am glad because I always thought (with apologies to TheRealMC) that a Memorymoog was just too sonically heavy in most situations. The first Polymoog (which Moog alluded to historically in their video introducing The One) was also initially disliked by many people who thought they would be getting a polyphonic Minimoog. It proved despite its many limitations to be quite the synth in its own right, and more versatile. That is pretty much what I would like to see in The One. Example, all Polymoog except for drums:

Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. - 10/28/18 12:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz

This is one issue that has me concerned, over on GS it has been described as anywhere between "unnoticeable" to "I can hear it from the next room."

... I don't understand why they didn't use the quietest fans possible, this is after all and $8000 synth. There are 5 fans, maybe it is just a matter of a firmware update but I know if my unit were noisy it would drive me crazy. Hopefully if it does prove to be an ubiquitous issue they would consider using much quieter fans (and replace noisy ones from previous builds).



I made the mistake of going over to GS. God, I despise that forum. But they certainly kicked the fan issue around. My room is over the garage and therefore has the worst insulation in the house. To keep the temperature controlled the hvac runs almost constantly. This isn't a problem for me when tracking, but I shut it off to mix. I doubt I'll notice the fans that much. But now I'm thinking about it. Concerns become obsessions.

It looks like we'll go out to Asheville in early December. By then I trust the first batch of bugs will be addressed. And hopefully by then the user video demos will include real playing. This plunking around on an $8k instrument is making me crazy. I'm counting on you folks. Let's hear it sing.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. - 10/28/18 12:32 AM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
I'm counting on you folks.


Gee, Ken, I was counting on you. smile
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. - 10/28/18 09:11 AM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: ksoper
I'm counting on you folks.


Gee, Ken, I was counting on you. smile


Don't count on me. I suck and work verrrrrrrry slooooooly.
Posted By: analogika

Re: Moog One. - 10/28/18 10:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken
3. Fan noise after the initial boot up is not bad for me. Quieter than a computer, a DeepMind, or background noise of a guitar amp turned up loud.

I don't understand why they didn't use the quietest fans possible, this is after all and $8000 synth. There are 5 fans, maybe it is just a matter of a firmware update but I know if my unit were noisy it would drive me crazy. Hopefully if it does prove to be an ubiquitous issue they would consider using much quieter fans (and replace noisy ones from previous builds).

A few people have complained that it didn't sound like a Memorymoog


With five fans in it, it ought to sound just like a Memorymoog.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 10/28/18 11:45 AM

Originally Posted By: analogika


With five fans in it, it ought to sound just like a Memorymoog.


idk

When it comes to Memorymoog...not a fan.
w00t
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/28/18 12:48 PM

The fan noise thing seems to vary from instrument to instrument. After boot up, you need to put your head by the back grill to hear them. I have experienced them kicking up a notch once for about a minute, to the point where you could hear them, but it still wasn’t too bad.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. - 10/28/18 02:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken
The fan noise thing seems to vary from instrument to instrument.
Phil-
Have you noticed any issue with excessive background noise in the main outs? I see exactly one person complain about it. FWIW both my Minitaur and Resissue are quiet, even through headphones.
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. - 10/28/18 08:48 PM

If...and I haven't researched this so I don't know...the fans on the One are thermostatically controlled (like the fans in most computers these days), then you could easily find that all the reports about fan noise are true. If the room is cool, the fans may barely be turning, hence whisper quiet. If the room is hot, the fans may need to push more air, so the reports of 'hearing it from the next room' may also be accurate.

At the moment, my PC is so quiet I can't hear the fans (at least three that I can think of: power supply, video card, and overall case ventilation) at all, but the ambient temperature in here is 69 degrees at the moment. However, I know from experience that if the room temperature gets to the high 70s the fans get more aggressive and you can clearly hear them from across the room.

If:
a) You're bothered by the noise of fans
--and--
b) You have a piece of equipment with thermostatically controlled fans
--then--
c) Try to keep your room temperature down.

The poster above who has poor insulation might need to get some fiberglass batts, but it's a solvable problem. Admit it--if you're playing live, chances are that you're loud enough that the noise won't be heard by you or anyone else. At home, you have more control of the ambient temperature. I wouldn't let the fans keep me from buying a synth.

Related question: Does anyone have a sense yet of how stable the oscillators in the One are viz temperature?

Grey
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. - 10/28/18 09:13 PM

Originally Posted By: GRollins
Try to keep your room temperature down.
Uh yeah, I live in Arizona.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 10/29/18 09:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken
The fan noise thing seems to vary from instrument to instrument.
Phil-
Have you noticed any issue with excessive background noise in the main outs? I see exactly one person complain about it. FWIW both my Minitaur and Resissue are quiet, even through headphones.


No, but I have the output volume at a fairly modest level, running into a stereo Great River preamp.I will crank it up larger and see.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 11/09/18 01:10 PM

Thought I'd follow up for anyone interested.
There have been raves, pans, criticisms both valid and overstated, information and misinformation floating around. Most of the severe criticism seems to be coming from a small group of people who have never touched one, and seem to be hell bent on posting hither and yon about its assumed shortcomings, all of which I will address.

In short - it is an AMAZING instrument. No regrets on the purchase and it is not going back.

What it is not: 16 Minimoogs in a box. If you try to emulate your favorite mini patch with the same knob twists you will not have the same results. It is voiced differently, and to get similar results you need to tweak it differently. Seems obvious...but well....you know.
Which brings us to the first criticism - there is no fatness to the oscillators. Poppycock. There is more low end to be had than on the Voyager or the DSI polys. I went as far as sending the oscillators of the One and the Voyager into each other to A/B as closely as possible, and to A/B each instrument side by side. Some of those early perceptions involved people cranking sawtooth (saw teeth?) into the Ladder filter, cranking the resonance, and wondering where the low end went. The ladder filter on the One, with the resonance cranked and the cutoff raised, REALLY takes away the low end. Ladder filters tend to do this to some degree, but not to the extent of the Ladder on the One. At least not when at 24db. Remind me to scope out lower pole settings.
Fortunately, there is a solution. There is also the SVF filter. Want low end? Add it back in. It is massive. The two filters really seem designed as a "filter section", and once you realize that, and explore both the obvious and hidden possibilities there is very little you can't do.
About the oscillators. No, they are not as vibrant and unruly as a Model D. While that might sound wonderful on paper, or indeed in real life, it would not have worked for the intended design. These oscillators are indeed fat and nice sounding, but not quite as unruly. There are a multitude of ways to make them subtly more unstable, and while this sounds like a cheat, it leaves again, a multitude of possibilities.
And that is the thing - it is SO vast. I can do 90% of what I can do on my Voyager with a mono voice, but also so, so, so much more. I am reminded of a Groucho quote. These are my principles, and if you don't like them, well, I have others. This is what the instrument sounds like, and if you don't like it, make it sound different. About the Voyager - you will see it is for sale in the classifieds. It is not that the One makes it redundant - but I am getting a Model D, which feels like the perfect compliment to the One for my needs. The One, for tweakability and for saving presets, and the D for immediacy and its particular sonic footprint.
Another criticism has been fan noise. I fortunately have not experienced any problems. There is a firmware fix coming out next week, which hopefully will help the vast majority of people that have experienced this. Moog was very conservative with where they set the fans to go on, and I guess depending on how hot your studio is, they can kick on faster than necessary. For me - after boot up, I have to put my head by the back grill to tell they are on. I suspect there are a few with mechanically noisy fans, which is a bummer and they will have to be replaced.
The last big complaint is that there is a high noise floor. If you crank the master output all the way up, there is indeed. The solution is - don't do that. There is PLENTY of signal to be had without cranking it. None the less, there is a firmware fix coming for that as well. Really - the output goes to 11, but you need to keep it under 10, Nigel.
There are too many effects on some of the presets, and the gain structure of some of those has not been carefully attended to. Mostly the effects are good but not great (yet), except some of the Eventide reverbs, when set to taste, are indeed great in my book. Mostly nice to have, will likely get improved, but not a substitute for your Moogerfoogers or the like.
Which brings us to this: The inserts are so nice to have, and you can leave whatever plugged into each, to be assigned on a per patch basis. Sweet.

Do you need the 16 voice version and will you be missing out getting the 8? Not SO much, I think. The 8 voice version is plenty powerful. Certainly for real time playing of one patch. It is nice to have 2 8 voice layers available, and if you are sequencing polyphonically, yeah 16 is 8 better, innit? But the 8 voice version will still floor any other poly in terms of capabilities. Sound of course is subjective.

I have not delved into the sequencer much yet. You can really get into Berlin School territory. I am more of a realtime guy, but I could see doing some pieces like that. In some way, this is a modern marriage of a modular and a Moog keyboard.

Aiiieeeee.....my laptop batteries are on the brink. If anything seems worth adding I will do so - but also happy to answer questions, or have any other users chime in with differing opinions or corrections.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. - 11/09/18 01:42 PM

excellent post, Phil. thu
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 11/09/18 02:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken
The fan noise thing seems to vary from instrument to instrument.
Phil-
Have you noticed any issue with excessive background noise in the main outs? I see exactly one person complain about it. FWIW both my Minitaur and Resissue are quiet, even through headphones.


I addressed this and the fan noise in a lengthy post above, but the gist is that the noise level is a non-issue unless you make it one. If you think of it as a mixer with multiple places to affect the gain, you are fine. The master output simply goes too high. If you stay below 80% of max volume, a non-issue. Nonetheless they have a firmware fix coming to shut off unused voices from contributing to the noise floor. If they did not, I would not care. It really is mostly a matter of not flooring the master output, and there is no need to do so.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. - 11/09/18 02:20 PM

I'm curled into an angry miserable ball in the corner waiting on delivery of my One, which has been postoned again for at least another week or two.

Thank you for helping me kill a couple of minutes in my long vigil. I'm so desperate for Moog One content that I have been combing the Gearslutz thread several times a day.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. - 11/09/18 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
I'm curled into an angry miserable ball in the corner waiting on delivery of my One, which has been postoned again for at least another week or two.

Thank you for helping me kill a couple of minutes in my long vigil. I'm so desperate for Moog One content that I have been combing the Gearslutz thread several times a day.


That place can be brutal. This message board is so very civilized in comparison.....
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 11/09/18 02:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken


That place can be brutal. This message board is so very civilized in comparison.....



You, Lady Gaia and a few others have way more patience/tolerance for that soap opera than I do. I almost never post there but I do lurk there often. Ironically it's one of the most informative sites for this kind of synth. Thanks in large part to you.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. - 11/09/18 04:58 PM

I read some of the negative Post on youtube videos of the Moog One. One nitwit actually said the Moog One sounded horrible. Yeah, right. facepalm

I responded to the guy that Posted the above: The Moog One has 48 RA Oscillators, 2 different filters, and a complete wish list of other features. If you can't get can't great sounds out of synth with those capabilities, you can't be much of a programmer.

I suggested that the guy was filled with Sour Grapes and just couldn't afford one. Time to man up.

From what I heard of the Moog One, its an incredible synth. Anyone that can afford one should buy one, even if they don't "need it".

As far as the price, it is more than fair considering what it is, the build quality, and the potential of that instrument.


Mike T.
Posted By: Lady Gaia

Re: Moog One. - 11/09/18 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken
That place can be brutal. This message board is so very civilized in comparison.....


No question! I come here for a more relaxing, musical take on the subject. Still, for an up-to-the-minute take on things, a more technical slant, and lively conversation that place does serve a useful purpose. It’s just exhausting.

Thank you for your thoughtful take on Moog One ownership, Phil. I’ve enjoyed hearing about your experiences every step of the way and look forward to more as the instrument evolves.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 11/09/18 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: MikeT156
Anyone that can afford one should buy one, even if they don't "need it".

Mike T.


I'm going to disagree as I think about this a lot and have given heavy consideration into buying a One as well as the Schmidt a few years ago. And trust me, I consider either a huge chunk of change. The questions I ask myself are what am I going to be using it for (income doesn't make the list), how much is it overlapping what I already have, and how much of it am I not going to use. I assume it sounds wonderful as I would never buy before trying it. But I don't use sequencers very often, arpeggiators even less and I'm much more likely to mess with my hardware effects over internal effects when needed or when I'm simply in the mood to explore a particular effect. My thing is raw synth sound programming from the bottom up and creating interesting modulations. I rarely get into splits or layering 2 "synths". I'm never looking to duplicate a vintage board (except when a forum question/challenge comes up) or even a particular sound. Any sound that curls my toes or gives me goose bumps will do. Oh and I usually have to be able to actually "play" the sound. Still that's a lot of money for stuff that I'm not going to use very often if at all.

The Moog One modulation matrix is the thing that I'd be all over; what can this puppy do that brings new sound elements I've never heard or at least never created myself. I suspect many who love the spec and easy interface of the mod matrix may never venture past the typical sine/square/sawtooth tremolo control with the modwheel. That's Ok - their focus may be one of the other major synth features. Other's may be chasing the ultimate Minimoog sounds. And yes there will be those who end up using it as a preset machine doing minor tweaks. Again fine by me. Getting back to my thing I think that my latest modular endeavors are the last frontier in analog synth exploration and despite the One's amazing oscillators, filters and mod matrix it will not surpass what I'm currently using towards what I'm after. And if not the last frontier then the last straw that makes my head explode and go back to piano lessons HeadPop

Finally there's the whole ergonomic logistics of where I would locate it and well it's just not for me at this time. Of course I have yet to play one and it could end up a "must have" as the Voyager was for me many years ago. In the mean time I look forward to you Phil and Mate Stubb giving us excruciating detailed insight into whatever aspect of the One floats your boat.

Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. - 11/09/18 08:08 PM

Well my friend, the cost and what you are going to use for that much money seems to be your biggest consideration.

As I said "Anyone that could afford one should buy one, even if you don't need it"

A lot of us can't afford one, but if I had the $$$$ i would buy one. I'm on the back nine of my life on this planet, so I won't be buying one either.


Cheers!


Mike T
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. - 11/10/18 08:23 PM

I have, unfortunately, stumbled upon a line of rationalization that will--unless I resist strenuously--lead me to the path of temptation. As some may recall, I flirted with the idea of what I called "deep oscillators" in order to get richer sounds at one point. I was also enticed by the possibility of polychaining for polyphony. The complexity and expense put me off.

Then along came the One.

It can do both and only costs $6/8k (pick one).

Okay, so the question becomes: Is it cheaper than buying a passel of bits and bobs to accomplish the same thing?

Hmmm...

And it comes with the ability to do the preset thing, which would greatly simplify life.

This line of thinking could lead one to the conclusion that the bloody thing is a bargain if I'm one's not careful.

Grey
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. - 11/10/18 08:40 PM

You should probably buy 3-5 Moog Ones and poly-chain them together for ultra deep oscillators. roll
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. - 11/10/18 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Markyboard
You should probably buy 3-5 Moog Ones and poly-chain them together for ultra deep oscillators. roll


I like the way you think.

Now...where'd I put that winning lottery ticket?

Grey

P.S.: I'm afraid to look--do these things really polychain? Don't answer. I don't want to know.
P.P.S: Tell Moog to build a rack mount version.
P.P.P.S: Soon.
P.P.P.P.S.: No. Don't. I was just kidding. I can't find my lottery ticket.
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Moog One. - 11/11/18 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By: GRollins
P.P.S: Tell Moog to build a rack mount version.

Hold tight. The Behringer Uno will be out in 2023. grin cool
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. - 11/11/18 01:30 AM

Originally Posted By: GRollins
Okay, so the question becomes: Is it cheaper than buying a passel of bits and bobs to accomplish the same thing?


There is only one answer to this.
snax
Posted By: Ockeghem

Re: Moog One. - 11/11/18 09:10 AM

Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: GRollins
Okay, so the question becomes: Is it cheaper than buying a passel of bits and bobs to accomplish the same thing?


There is only one answer to this.
snax


Right, and I would think the British would write "parcel of bits and bobs" although the pronunciation is about the same.
So, will it cost a few bob more than the bits and bobs?
cool
Posted By: realtrance

Re: Moog One. - 11/11/18 01:18 PM

I got over my hesitancy about participating in GS years ago. There are some knowledgeable folks there, too, alongside a lot of people who make a lot of uninformed noise.

And then there are the woefully OCD analogue anoraks who simply will not go anywhere beyond "warm" and -- at least in my opinion -- a very narrow definition of "analogue tone." Including some whose opinions I otherwise highly respect! I won't go any further on that note. smile

Phil Aiken's assessment of the Moog One I consider trustworthy. There's no question that it'll be a synth worth playing for a long time, and the capabilities are truly almost modular in scale and depth.

That makes it cheap, compared with any modular setup you could conceive of that would get close, and that modular setup would at best be one voice. So, double-cheap by comparison!
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Moog One. - 11/11/18 01:59 PM

Heck, GRollins, given everything it does, I'd say you can't afford NOT to get at LEAST one!
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. - 11/11/18 03:09 PM

Rumor has it that the One can dance like a robot and fly like Emo's modular and piano. You must buy one!



Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. - 11/11/18 03:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Josh Paxton
Heck, GRollins, given everything it does, I'd say you can't afford NOT to get at LEAST one!


Yeah...in my mind, I'm kinda envisioning a keyboard One with a rack behind it filled with several of the hypothetical rack mount version. Sorta like a 21st Century version of the Keith Emerson wall of Moog.

Overkill?

I think not.

Or, as a fellow I used to know was fond of saying: If some is good, then more is better, and too much is just enough!

Incidentally, I got "bits and bobs" from Hagrid. I'd never heard the expression before. It's amazing the things I've learned about our cousins across The Pond from the Harry Potter books (and movies).

Grey

P.S.: Dammit, I miss Emerson!
Posted By: hurricane hugo

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/14/18 05:04 PM

firmware update is out: https://www.moogmusic.com/news/moog-one-firmware-update-v102-now-available
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/18/18 10:34 PM

Still waiting.

Meanwhile, a few people on GearSlutz have been keeping me somewhat sane, amongst the incredible trolling and name calling.

This one from string6theory made me smile. Reminds me of Zawinal. Disclaimer - vocoder is not the one in the Moog, which apparently still sucks.

Moog One One Life

And this warped clip from bkbirge: https://soundcloud.com/bkbirge/moogonetest6
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/18/18 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
...Vocoder is not the one in the Moog, which apparently still sucks.



Besides being software based, what's supposed to be wrong with it?
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/19/18 12:11 AM

Some owners complain that the effects don't sound as good as they should, that some are weak, that the gain structure or in/out of phaseness is wacked, but something needs to be tweaked.

The vocoder in particular has people dealing with feedback, or not enough gain to make it do anything. It's telling I guess that there hasn't been a single demo posted.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/19/18 02:59 AM

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Some owners complain that the effects don't sound as good as they should, that some are weak, that the gain structure or in/out of phaseness is wacked, but something needs to be tweaked.


Crap. That's the sole reason I want one. wink


Quote:
The vocoder in particular has people dealing with feedback, or not enough gain to make it do anything.


Just like my $150 Warp Factory.

Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/19/18 03:26 AM

Originally Posted By: ksoper


Crap. That's the sole reason I want one. wink



I'm sure they will get all the effects sorted eventially with software updates. That and Midi are the two least finished parts of the synth.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/19/18 04:02 AM

Originally Posted By: mate stubb


I'm sure they will get all the effects sorted eventially with software updates. That and Midi are the two least finished parts of the synth.


Least finished. Yikes.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/19/18 06:20 PM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
Originally Posted By: mate stubb


I'm sure they will get all the effects sorted eventially with software updates. That and Midi are the two least finished parts of the synth.


Least finished. Yikes.


Yes. Least finished. They built in much room for growth. Would it be preferable to have no updates? It would be a bummer for something this ambitious if it dropped and was never built upon.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/20/18 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken
Originally Posted By: ksoper
Originally Posted By: mate stubb


I'm sure they will get all the effects sorted eventially with software updates. That and Midi are the two least finished parts of the synth.


Least finished. Yikes.


Yes. Least finished. They built in much room for growth. Would it be preferable to have no updates? It would be a bummer for something this ambitious if it dropped and was never built upon.


Not exactly what I meant. My question is, did they ship too early?
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/20/18 01:36 AM

Originally Posted By: ksoper


Not exactly what I meant. My question is, did they ship too early?


Well, that question can only be answered by the opinion of each potential or current owner.

In my experience, it is impossible to ship a product this complex without bugs. You reach a point in the software development cycle when you have been too close to the project for too long, and you can't come up with any more test scenarios - you have to get fresh eyes on it and a new set of people that will do things you never imagined to it.

That leads to products being released before they are finished. Ideally, like my previous company, you would have a limited release to a group of beta testers. But Moog had been working on this giant project for 5 years, so I am sure there was some pressure to start generating revenue.

The important consideration is how responsive the company is being to early problems, and how much you trust them to follow through. There have been 2 update releases so far and lots of individual communication between owners and engineers, so it sounds good to me.

I'd personally rather be an early adopter on this particular synth and have the joy of playing it now, rather than wait until it's declared perfect. Others might be more comfortable waiting.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/20/18 02:27 AM

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Originally Posted By: ksoper


Not exactly what I meant. My question is, did they ship too early?


In my experience, it is impossible to ship a product this complex without bugs. You reach a point in the software development cycle when you have been too close to the project for too long, and you can't come up with any more test scenarios - you have to get fresh eyes on it and a new set of people that will do things you never imagined to it.



Nudge nudge, wink wink.

That's fair. Don't get me wrong. It'll be in my house before the year is out, production line permitting. High-ticket item jitters.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/20/18 10:28 AM

If I’d been offered a choice between getting it 2 weeks ago and waiting until they did more work on the effects, I’d have chosen the former. The release bugs are minor, do not interfere with normal use, and indeed seem much overblown by some.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/20/18 11:28 PM

"Moog had been working on this giant project for 5 years, so I am sure there was some pressure to start generating revenue"

You bet. I'd guess that Moog had a ton of Man hours in this product and that costs money. At some point, you have to release it and roll the dice.

The Moog One is the best synthesizer to come along in a generation. If I could afford one, I'd buy it, sit in my music room all day and probably never come out. People that find me annoying would celebrate.


Mike T.
Posted By: Dextroze

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/21/18 02:53 PM

If I had the money I'd buy one too!
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/27/18 09:00 PM

Sweetwater got my One today. I should have it Friday!
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/27/18 09:24 PM

Coming down...must take another hit of anti-GAS....
puff
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/27/18 09:28 PM

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Sweetwater got my One today. I should have it Friday!

Oh...cool.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/27/18 09:29 PM

laugh
Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/27/18 10:01 PM

Excited to hear your thoughts, Moe. And happy for you!
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/27/18 10:03 PM

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Sweetwater got my One today. I should have it Friday!


Awesome. We expect an album by Tuesday, latest.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/30/18 07:30 PM

It's here! It's heavy! It's beautiful! The fans don't roar! The sharp keys feel almost luxurious! I feel like I mostly know where to reach already.

However -

How do I create an init patch to turn everything off and start from scratch?
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/30/18 10:40 PM

Dude, you're the bellwether...you figure it out and tell us.

Grey
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/30/18 10:41 PM

Oh...and by the way...I'm kinda-sorta hating you right now.

Don't take it (too) personally.

Grey
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/01/18 12:30 AM

Got it together to make init patches. The canvas is vast with this one. It's gonna make me raise my programming game like I haven't done since the Chroma.
Posted By: Theo Verelst

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/01/18 03:31 AM

Probably the digital control of the analog units is going to be important for the final sound properties, just like the way the analog electronics are designed. It's from what I've heard not a major strength of the current folks of the Moog company.

T
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/01/18 08:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Theo Verelst
It's from what I've heard not a major strength of the current folks of the Moog company.

T


Zero problems with the digital control of my Voyager.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/01/18 09:49 AM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
Originally Posted By: Theo Verelst
It's from what I've heard not a major strength of the current folks of the Moog company.

T


Zero problems with the digital control of my Voyager.


I assume Theo's "from what I've heard" was anything but the Moog One itself? facepalm

Btw digital control of Voyager was done by a different group...i.e. Rudi Linhard.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/01/18 11:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Markyboard


Btw digital control of Voyager was done by a different group...i.e. Rudi Linhard.


Point taken. But they hired the right guy for the gig and I trust the One is in similarly capable hands. My unedited response to Theo was similar to yours. Just not as diplomatic.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/01/18 12:23 PM

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Got it together to make init patches. The canvas is vast with this one. It's gonna make me raise my programming game like I haven't done since the Chroma.



You will no doubt, astute person that you are, discover these things, but to save you some trial and error:
1. Merely switching on a saw wave does not give you the "buzziest saw". The oscillators are quite malleable. For maximum "buzz", either choose saw, turn the wave shaping fully counter clockwise and bring in a little very thin pulse with the mix knob. OR do the same but counterintuitively choose triangle, turn the wave shaping knob fully clockwise to make a ramp and then bring in a little thin pulse. There former, when you dial in the pulse, will attenuate the lower harmonics and excite the upper, while the latter will leave the lower harmonics more or less alone and excite the upper. The oscillators in general have really strong fundamentals and lower harmonics. This is a good thing.

2. The ladder filter with resonance up steals more low end than the average Moog ladder, which steals some. The SVF is your friend for adding that back in if you wish. You can also modulate the resonance amount using keypitch as a source. In general, I think of the filters as a "filter section" and almost always use both in one configuration or another.

3. The default envelopes are linear and it makes a huge difference to tweak the curves.

4. Some of the routing vis a vis the inserts can be confusing - if something sounds odd, check there. The inserts are highly useful though.

5. Points #1, #2, and #3 are the reason people got the unit, turned it on, dialed up a typical Minimoog patch and declared that it did not sound vintage. You can get it to sound pretty vintage even though it is really its own thing and not 16 Model D's in a box. By now some of my older synths sound somewhat quaint, albeit in a good way.

6. The effects are indeed usable, if not perfect - the presets have some less than optimal settings. Levels and wet/dry mix are particularly crucial. I think in general I prefer using outboard effects, but if/when I use it live I will certainly make use of the Eventide verbs and the delays. This area of the instrument should and no doubt will be seeing improvements including the ability to address parameters in the mod matrix.

Happy playing/programming/writing!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Theo Verelst

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/01/18 12:49 PM

I've listened to some of the seemingly quality made videos of the latest Moog, and though some sounds to me sounded al right, the remark I made came from listening to the sounds and thinking about the signal path. I like a good Moog sound, but I'm of the school that presumes certain studio signal processing norms to be connected, or simply a great sound. I heard neither very much. It's a well known problem that you need one of the good guys to control all those signals that together make a programmable analog synth, and you'll have digital controls affecting the sound quite a bit on top of the "making the minimoog programmable" (and convincing people "the sound is the same"). That's a technical given. The way the Moog one is put together, and the way the various pieces of interesting electronics sound do not give me the feeling that we've mastered and progressed from the classical Moog sound possibilities in terms of being able to imitate the great sounds of well known Moogs, or producing more complicated setups than a modular in the studio.

Doesn't mean this instrument can't make any good sounds, but calling it the way it is called makes me want more. A lot more.

T.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/01/18 01:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Theo Verelst
It's a well known problem that you need one of the good guys to control all those signals that together make a programmable analog synth, and you'll have digital controls affecting the sound quite a bit on top of the "making the minimoog programmable" (and convincing people "the sound is the same"). That's a technical given. The way the Moog one is put together, and the way the various pieces of interesting electronics sound do not give me the feeling that we've mastered and progressed from the classical Moog sound possibilities in terms of being able to imitate the great sounds of well known Moogs, or producing more complicated setups than a modular in the studio.

Doesn't mean this instrument can't make any good sounds, but calling it the way it is called makes me want more. A lot more.

T.


Ah, I see where you're point of view is coming from. I just never assumed or paid attention to the marketing indicating their goal was to recreate the sound of the Minimoog or an older modular in polyphonic programmable form. I think if you go in with this expectation you will be disappointed;no different than it was for the Memorymoog and Voyager.

To me it comes down to do I like the sound of the synth on its own merits? You apparently don't and I respect your opinion. For me...no idea, I'd have to play One.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/01/18 04:12 PM

@Phil -

Been following your posts closely on der SluttyGeer forum. In general I am finding my way around without reading the manual.

Can't make timbres load into synth 2 or 3 for some reason. I am selecting synth 1 on the panel before trying to do it but it ends up in synth 1.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/01/18 05:15 PM

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
@Phil -

Been following your posts closely on der SluttyGeer forum. In general I am finding my way around without reading the manual.

Can't make timbres load into synth 2 or 3 for some reason. I am selecting synth 1 on the panel before trying to do it but it ends up in synth 1.


With synth 2 as the active synth, browse presets, find the timbre you wish to import, and bring it in. The imports ALWAYS go to the active synth. If I misunderstand you, PM me....
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/01/18 05:20 PM

The thing about the inserts, is that they are not really inserts, they are really aux sends. They work fine but should really be labeled Aux 1, Aux 2, etc.
The pre-insert dry signal still goes to the Main outputs unless you actively shut it off. So in addition to what you expect to hear, the effected signal, you are hearing the dry. This is confusing until you know about it, then it isn't.
After you shut the synth off at the mains, you are hearing what you would expect, but there is no way that I have found to control the return volume from within the One. I have put in a feature request for that. You should be able to modulate or at the very least adjust it.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/01/18 05:27 PM

For kicks, unscientifically and by ear only, I took a random Model D patch I was using and tried to match it on the One. I think I got pretty close, but they are noticeably different in that the One is some how more meaty. It also actually sounds in some way more "real" and tangible. I should look at the spectrums and see if some EQ makes it closer, but you would really need that EQ to track the keyboard.
The thing is though, that a Minimoog sounds like a Minimoog, and BEHAVES like a Minimoog. It is one thing to match a patch, but another when you start there and begin to twiddle knobs. If you twiddle the same knobs in the same way on the One you get different results. Very different instruments.
Posted By: Theo Verelst

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/02/18 05:05 PM

I don't generally dislike the sounds I've heard on a number of demos, but I don't think it will be the squared Moog paradigm some might be looking for. That's my assessment, I don't think it's an opinion. Lots of more modern Moog products aren't my cup of tea for some part, which isn't necessarily wrong, it's just that it's easy to play a game with the Moog name.

T.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/07/18 11:19 PM

Update: I've decided to return the One.

It does everything it promised - great sound, shake-the-walls-bass, incredible flexibility, great UI. But I'm not bonding with it.

The last time I sat at a complicated poly synth and spent countless hours learning to program it was 30 years ago when I bought my beloved Chroma. I find that now I don't enjoy sound design very much, and the Moog requires you to work for your supper more than a somewhat more limited synth.

I just don't think I'll devote the time to this synth that it deserves. It DOES make me wish my Chromas were still working.

And although the Moog has been described as having voices with almost modular-like flexibility, it doesn't scratch my modular itch either. While I don't enjoy sound design, I can zone out patching a modular for hours making my bleeps and bloops. Go figure.

I think for my purposes, a more limited but immediate analog poly like a Prophet 6 or OB6 will scratch the analog itch, and a nice sounding digital like a Blofeld will cover a lot of the more outlandish stuff you can coax from the Moog.

Am I nutz?
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/08/18 12:47 AM

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Update: I've decided to return the One.

It does everything it promised - great sound, shake-the-walls-bass, incredible flexibility, great UI. But I'm not bonding with it.

The last time I sat at a complicated poly synth and spent countless hours learning to program it was 30 years ago when I bought my beloved Chroma. I find that now I don't enjoy sound design very much, and the Moog requires you to work for your supper more than a somewhat more limited synth.

I just don't think I'll devote the time to this synth that it deserves. It DOES make me wish my Chromas were still working.

And although the Moog has been described as having voices with almost modular-like flexibility, it doesn't scratch my modular itch either. While I don't enjoy sound design, I can zone out patching a modular for hours making my bleeps and bloops. Go figure.

I think for my purposes, a more limited but immediate analog poly like a Prophet 6 or OB6 will scratch the analog itch, and a nice sounding digital like a Blofeld will cover a lot of the more outlandish stuff you can coax from the Moog.

Am I nutz?


If you are not bonding with it and are convinced that you absolutely won't before your return period is up you'd be nutz NOT to return it. It is expensive for a modern synth.

I was prepared to do just that if I didn't see myself enjoying it for many years. I am pretty bonded with it already, have only turned on my other synths to play around with mimicking them, and don't think the learning curve is all that steep other than some non-intuitive routing behavior. I do agree that it requires you to work for your supper, but once you have that recipe filed away, you no longer have to work for that particular dish.

You are the single best judge of what works for you and what does not. If you do decide to buy a Prophet 6 or OB6 I am going to sell one of them (have not decided which) so shoot me a PM. smile
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/08/18 01:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken
If you do decide to buy a Prophet 6 or OB6 I am going to sell one of them (have not decided which) so shoot me a PM. smile


Hmmm. Desktop or kbd?
Posted By: Theo Verelst

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/08/18 08:03 AM

At somepoint some manufacturer / quality software maker should come up with something new, change the game, and in good Rock spirit demolish it on stage....

TV
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/08/18 11:44 AM

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Update: I've decided to return the One.

Am I nutz?


Not necessarily. If it doesn't inspire you it's a very pricey collector's item. The first time I sat down to an OBX it pulled notes out of my fingers that I'd never played before. The One should do that and for $8k, if it doesn't, send it back. You can't go wrong with either the OB-6 or Prophet 6, though it was the Prophet that spoke to me. Those are lovely instruments.
Posted By: Moonglow

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/08/18 12:32 PM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Update: I've decided to return the One.

Am I nutz?


Not necessarily. If it doesn't inspire you it's a very pricey collector's item. The first time I sat down to an OBX it pulled notes out of my fingers that I'd never played before. The One should do that and for $8k, if it doesn't, send it back. You can't go wrong with either the OB-6 or Prophet 6, though it was the Prophet that spoke to me. Those are lovely instruments.

Same here regarding the Prophet. The Moog One is waaay more synth than I need.
Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/08/18 12:54 PM

Not gonna lie, that makes me feel better. laugh
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/08/18 04:01 PM

In an ideal world, I'd have time to play with a modular and do the endless patch thing. In this world, having just lost my aunt, being deeply embroiled in Phase III of the master bathroom rebuild, and having had my AV system blow up, I just don't have time to do that much fiddly stuff. Sucks, but there it is. Throw in the holidays and the fact that I play Poppa-Taxi for the kids and...I hate to say it but presets are my best friend. Hell, I haven't played keyboards in probably two or three weeks and guitar only perhaps a total of thirty minutes. That's pitiful.

Based on what you guys are saying I can see how the One would be a time sucker and will regretfully/thankfully--at least for now--back away from the idea of trying to beg/borrow/steal enough money to buy one.

*sigh*

Grey
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/10/18 01:57 PM

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken
If you do decide to buy a Prophet 6 or OB6 I am going to sell one of them (have not decided which) so shoot me a PM. smile


Hmmm. Desktop or kbd?


P6 Desktop, OB6 keyboard. Part of my decision will be based on that. But I could get talked into either. Nice to have a module, nice to have a good smaller keyboard. Before the One, I'd have thought of them both as indispensable, but I no longer do. I don't need all 3.

Towards your "catching the modular itch", have you thought about a Matrixbrute? I sold mine to fund the One, but that was the niche it filled, and I miss it.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/10/18 02:04 PM

I remain thrilled with it. It sounds better and better with experience, and it is a joy to play. I also look forward to new developments, and full midi/cv implementation, which should be in weeks, not months.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/10/18 03:32 PM

I can't imagine not being really pleased with the Moog One. If I had the $$$$ I would buy one. Maybe its because I miss my OBX and the OBXa I bought after the OBX. Alas, they were both expensive keys in those days and I was in hock up to my ears.

And Phil, I'm on board with your love for the MatrixBrute. What a power house monster synth. I believe the Moog fills a different role, a poly synth vs primarily a 3 OSC mono synth. It is a wall shaker with endless mod matrix possibilities. In either case, I would probably only come out of my music room to use the bathroom.


Cheers!


Mike T.
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 06:22 AM

Asheville, NC, home to Moog, is just a couple of hours up the road from me. When my wife suggested a holiday trip up there for the weekend, I was all for it. It's a beautiful town and the fact that I was born a short distance away means that mountains look "right" to me. I feel most at home in that area.

With that in mind I spent an enjoyable half-hour at the Moog store on Saturday, 12/22. The majority of that time was spent on their demo One, trying to get some sense of whether it deserved a position on my GAS list. To be honest, the demo videos I've seen have not moved me, but given that I tend to favor the Moog house sound over other synth companies, I wanted to give the keyboard a fair shake.

CAVEAT: As soon as I told the guys behind the counter that I wanted to try the One, they responded that the evaluation unit wasn't their usual one; that theirs was in back to get the latest software/firmware/hardware/whatever updates and that the unit on the floor was a pre-production prototype that didn't fully reflect the current production sound. Specifically, the signal wasn't as "hot." It didn't drive the filters, etc. as hard and was lacking some growl or however you want to phrase it.

With that in mind, I sat down to play. My approach--especially given that I had four other people with me who don't quite share my passion for making music--was to run through the presets, with the idea that they will be chosen to show off what the synth can do. Yes, I know that some would rather have spent their time twisting knobs, but I could have spent my entire afternoon trying to create a single sound, rather than getting a broad overview, which is what I wanted.

In short, I just didn't connect with it. This is something of a WTF moment for me, because I generally respond well to Moog's stuff and for me to have such a tepid response was a bit of a shock.

So what's wrong? It's subjective, so what I feel (or don't feel, as the case may be) is going to be hard to articulate, but the One seems to lack the organic gestalt that other Moogs have; the sense that I was hearing sounds that, while obviously of electronic origin, had that indefinable something that gives you the impression that those sounds could have come from nature. It sounds artificial. It lacks soul. The One is a machine and sounds like one.

I want to emphasize that the very thing that isn't working for me is very likely to be the exact quality that will draw others to it. It's as though Moog infused 20% of the DNA of a Dave Smith synth into a Voyager in an attempt to appeal to a different market segment. In that, they were successful, but in doing so they lost what makes a Moog a Moog, at least to my ears.

I very much like the fact that it's polyphonic, but that's not enough to make me want a One. Not by itself. Not for that price.

The interface is sexy and modern. Straightforward to use.

But...dammit...the sound of the thing just didn't work for me.

Read my caveat above. Then perhaps read it again. Would driving the internal circuitry harder make it work for me...or for you? To be honest, I don't think that's going to make the One a must-have item for me. I suspect that my gut reaction would still be pretty much like it was Saturday--I left the Moog store without a backwards glance. No yearning. No GAS. No tug on the heartstrings. No making of plans to rob banks in order to fund the purchase.

I feel disloyal for saying that, given how much I love my theremin, Little Phatty, Voyager, and Behringer D...all units that sound, to my ears, the way a Moog should sound. But I'm not going to lie and say that I'm in love with the thing when I'm not.

Now, that big Keith Emerson synth in the corner? Yeah, that's talking to me. No, I didn't get to mess with it. It wasn't hooked up to play. Rats.

Those of you who get off on the DSI house sound should get serious about trying the One. Once you leave the organic, "might be an alternate universe natural sound" requirement behind, then I think the One becomes a more viable option.

Me? I think I'll save my money. Don't get me wrong, I wish Moog the best and hope they sell plenty of Ones, but it's not for me.

Grey
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 12:30 PM

Originally Posted By: GRollins
In short, I just didn't connect with it. It sounds artificial. It lacks soul. The One is a machine and sounds like one. The sound of the thing just didn't work for me. Those of you who get off on the DSI house sound should get serious about trying the One. Once you leave the organic, "might be an alternate universe natural sound" requirement behind, then I think the One becomes a more viable option.
Thanks very much for sharing your experiences. I was on the original waiting list for the One, but have deferred several times because it is missing an important feature (yes Markyboard, that one!) in its MIDI implementation. Now I am glad that I will have to wait until after NAMM, and will get to try one out before actually completing the purchase. But yes, you have to bond with a synth; like you I never really liked the DSI filters, until the P6 and OB-6. I currently have a Novation Peak, and it is quite possible that it will work as well at filling the analog poly itch as the Moog that costs more than 6x as much.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 01:56 PM

laugh

Totally agree with the bonding thing. Just not sure how you know if you're relying on someone else's taste and idea of sweet spot. How often do we hear "...presets suck" when often individual taste is what it comes down to.
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 02:34 PM

For me, there's a certain amount of momentum just in the Moog name. As one who has liked so many of their products in the past, I wanted to like it simply because it's a Moog. Only, the YouTube demo videos weren't grabbing me and I couldn't understand why. Some people said--rightly--that it might be the audio quality of the videos over the web. Fair enough. But now that I've had a chance to hear a One up close and personal, I find that the YouTube audio wasn't the problem. It was the synth itself.

Again: It's possible...nay, probable...that the things that don't work for me about the One are the very things that will be the most vital selling points for others. Everyone is going to have to make their own decision on this--just be aware that this isn't a typical Moog in terms of sound quality. Whether that's good or bad will vary with the individual.

I reserve the right to change my mind if/when Moog makes changes to the One, but I feel that it's unlikely that the "drive" thing that the Moog guys were talking about is going to be what does it for me.

Grey
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 02:43 PM

Originally Posted By: GRollins


With that in mind I spent an enjoyable half-hour at the Moog store on Saturday, 12/22.


Demoing a synth a the Moog store is only slightly better than demoing at a NAMM show. The last time I was there it was too chaotic for me to focus. I touched a Voyager XL and it left me cold. Odd, because I have a Voyager with the same break-out boxes at home. I figured it was the crappy phones, greasy keys, and clamoring tourists.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 03:16 PM

Originally Posted By: ksoper


Demoing a synth a the Moog store is only slightly better than demoing at a NAMM show. The last time I was there it was too chaotic for me to focus.


The real question is...what's the most overplayed song/riff in the Moog store?
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 03:34 PM

Originally Posted By: GRollins
...

Specifically, the signal wasn't as "hot." It didn't drive the filters, etc. as hard and was lacking some growl or however you want to phrase it.

...

But...dammit...the sound of the thing just didn't work for me.


To be fair, my Memorymoog - and my other vintage moogs - lacks some soul/growl when the levels aren't hot.

Go back when the store has a proper example and do a reassessment.

The sound of the Voyager wasn't exactly a Minimoog but I learned to appreciate what it can do.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 03:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Markyboard
The real question is...what's the most overplayed song/riff in the Moog store?


Fur Elise.
Fur Elise.
Fur Elise.
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 03:40 PM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
Demoing a synth a the Moog store is only slightly better than demoing at a NAMM show. The last time I was there it was too chaotic for me to focus.


That will happen when a crowd following Stevie Wonder is going through the aisle.

Kidding aside, if I want to do some real auditioning I reserve that for the first or last days of NAMM when they aren't so chaotic.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 03:46 PM

Stairway to Heaven?
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
Originally Posted By: GRollins


With that in mind I spent an enjoyable half-hour at the Moog store on Saturday, 12/22.


Demoing a synth a the Moog store is only slightly better than demoing at a NAMM show. The last time I was there it was too chaotic for me to focus. I touched a Voyager XL and it left me cold. Odd, because I have a Voyager with the same break-out boxes at home. I figured it was the crappy phones, greasy keys, and clamoring tourists.


Not a soul in the store aside from me. I had the place to myself and it was dead quiet. The S/N ratio wasn't the problem.

Nor were greasy keys. Incidentally, the action was a bit stiffer than I expected, mechanically. Forgot to say that above. That's going to be another subjective thing and I'm not saying whether I liked it or not, just that they were a smidgen more tightly sprung than I anticipated.

The headphones Moog had available were Audio Technicas. I don't remember the model. You can argue that you might want better headphones, but if it takes a pair of $1k headphones and silence to appreciate the sound of a synth, it's not going to work in a live setting where the speakers are less than ideal and the audience is making enough noise to raise the dead. Won't work on ear buds on a city bus. Won't work on a crappy college dorm stereo. Won't work anywhere in the real world, in fact.

In an attempt to forestall at least one potential objection to my mini-review, bear in mind that the unit was fully warmed up, having been on for at least two hours before I showed up.

As for lack of growl making the difference...to those who haven't played the One, please try it before judging. (Or listen to the demos--I found them to be reasonably accurate as to the sound quality, drive or no drive.) To those who like the One, well, I don't know what to say...I guess we're looking for different things in the sound of a synth--at least in a Moog, as opposed to another brand.

Grey
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 04:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Stairway to Heaven?


Sweet Child Of Mine?
Enter Sandman?
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: GRollins
As for lack of growl making the difference...to those who haven't played the One, please try it before judging. (Or listen to the demos--I found them to be reasonably accurate as to the sound quality, drive or no drive.) To those who like the One, well, I don't know what to say...I guess we're looking for different things in the sound of a synth--at least in a Moog, as opposed to another brand.
Well, I will say that I don’t expect the One to be 16 Minimoogs- my one complaint about the sound of the Memorymoog was that even with just 6 voices it was just too much. I am actually hoping it would be an updated Andromeda, but once again I agree you need to play it and bond with it to really justify the expense.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
...my one complaint about the sound of the Memorymoog was that even with just 6 voices it was just too much.

Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 06:35 PM

If someone were to give me one, I would endure the pain and anguish of trying to figure out how to make it work with my music.

Grey
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 06:37 PM

GRollins

Recently I was listening too and watching the MOOG demo of their Subsequent 37. In their presentation they mentioned how they were able to reduce the distortion in each voice by a significant amount. So, the Subsequent 37 is a lot cleaner than its predecessor the Sub 37.

I wonder if the "lack of soul" you described in one of your Posts could be the lack of distortion in their new synths. Electronic sounds that are too clean "can" sound sterile.

Just a thought. poke



Mike T.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 06:51 PM

Originally Posted By: GRollins
Originally Posted By: ksoper
Originally Posted By: GRollins


With that in mind I spent an enjoyable half-hour at the Moog store on Saturday, 12/22.


Demoing a synth a the Moog store is only slightly better than demoing at a NAMM show. The last time I was there it was too chaotic for me to focus. I touched a Voyager XL and it left me cold. Odd, because I have a Voyager with the same break-out boxes at home. I figured it was the crappy phones, greasy keys, and clamoring tourists.


Not a soul in the store aside from me. I had the place to myself and it was dead quiet. The S/N ratio wasn't the problem...

The headphones Moog had available were Audio Technicas. I don't remember the model. You can argue that you might want better headphones, but if it takes a pair of $1k headphones and silence to appreciate the sound of a synth, it's not going to work in a live setting where the speakers are less than ideal and the audience is making enough noise to raise the dead...

Grey


You obviously had a better experience overall and still weren't wowed by the synth. That's fine. My point was, it wasn't just headphone quality but the overall experience of demoing a synth in a small room where people were elbow to elbow and absolutely everybody ran their funnel cake-besmirched fingers across everything. I heard a YT video demo of the One over my S7 phone that sounded like a million bucks, so I'm confident it'll sound fine in my house. But if I were about to drop $8k I'd want to hear it in a more controlled atmosphere--peace and quiet--and through good monitors. The instrument may not need all that. I need all that.
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 09:08 PM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
You obviously had a better experience overall...


You need to go with me the next time I go, dude. I've never been to the Moog store when there were more than two or three other people in there--and they only showed up towards the end of my available time.

(My grandmother, who lived up in Boone, didn't call them "tourists," she called them "tour-asses.")

Maybe I should shower more carefully before going synthing...

Or not...something seems to be working.

I still want some quality time with that Emerson wall-o'-knobs critter--wish they'd had it hooked up. I did run my hands across it, though. Maybe I can pick some of Keith's musical DNA by, I dunno, osmosis...transcombobulation(TM) through the seventh dimension...or maybe I should just light candles or something.

Or I could just do it the old-fashioned way and practice.

I and one of my sons agreed (with no prompting from me, mind you, he decided this on his own) that I might ought to add a Minitaur to my GAS list, but it's a low priority at the moment. Maybe I'll start watching them on eBay.

Grey
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/24/18 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By: GRollins
I still want some quality time with that Emerson wall-o'-knobs critter--wish they'd had it hooked up. I did run my hands across it, though. Maybe I can pick some of Keith's musical DNA by, I dunno, osmosis...transcombobulation(TM) through the seventh dimension...or maybe I should just light candles or something.
It’s really just an overgrown Minimoog with many more modulation options.

Originally Posted By: GRollins
I and one of my sons agreed (with no prompting from me, mind you, he decided this on his own) that I might ought to add a Minitaur to my GAS list, but it's a low priority at the moment. Maybe I'll start watching them on eBay.
PM me, I hardly use mine since I got my Reissue.
Posted By: Sundown

Re: Moog One. - 12/24/18 11:21 PM

What an incredibly gorgeous instrument... I've been drooling since its announcement, but it's way more than I can afford right now.

But it is truly a masterpiece. It's everything I wanted in a vintage Memorymoog, but with far more features, and no overheating or instability.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/25/18 12:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz

Well, I will say that I don’t expect the One to be 16 Minimoogs-


Yep.
Thereīs no real reason why any modern MOOG synth has to sound exactly like a Minimoog D,- except, potential buyers want to sell their vintage MOOG gear and replace it by the MOOG One.
Others, who can afford keeping their vintage MOOGs and buying the MOOG One in addition, might think different.

Already the "re-issue" makes evident,- when you want something very close to the original sound, it will be monophonic and lacks MIDI implementation.
We got more MIDI already w/ the Voyager for the price of some sound difference.
Itīs all not bad.
They need modern components and different circuitry to make it MIDI controllable.
Itīs the bridge between vintage analog and digital.
Both have advantages and disadvantages,- and itīs all about how many advantages from both worlds can be merged into some new design.
Iīm pretty sure MOOG tried everything to do the best possible and they will continue improving it,- within the scope of possibilities though.
MOOG One is a steep investment,- not only for potential buyers but also for MOOG.
It would be insanely stupid not doing all the best for that product.

Originally Posted By: Marzzz

... my one complaint about the sound of the Memorymoog was that even with just 6 voices it was just too much..


Yes, it was/ is just too fat and too much raw tone for most purposes we used polysynths in a playback for,- at least for pop- and rock- music late 70s and 80s.
That was one reason because I never bought a Memorymoog in the past.
I learned about itīs unreliability later, so the decision I made prevented me from some senseless investment.

I repeat myself sayinī most successful recording experience came from using the vintage instruments and all kind of outboard processing to make it sound good and fit into a track.
In real world, when you EQed a Memorymoog to some degree and used some outboard FX in addition, you could also use a Prophet or whatelse polysynth and come to the same satisfaction for the tune.

And today,- p.ex. when you own a MOOG Minitaur for the low end and a vintage Minimoog D, the "re-issue", Voyager or Sub37 for leads, sidelines and synth-fx,- does one need the MOOG One then or does another polysynth like the Prophet 6 the same job for less money well too ?
Iīd say YES !

The MOOG One is cool, but itīs also made as a collectors item.
They know they wonīt sell very much for that price and they also know there are enough people out there where possession counts.
They will sell enough though.

In fact I "want" one too, but OTOH, I donīt need it because I have so many gear anyway, hardware and software.
I think thatīs valid for most who can afford it.

A.C.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. - 12/25/18 12:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Sundown
What an incredibly gorgeous instrument... I've been drooling since its announcement, but it's way more than I can afford right now.

But it is truly a masterpiece. It's everything I wanted in a vintage Memorymoog, but with far more features, and no overheating or instability.


And that is what you all know without owning and using one ?

A.C.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. - 12/25/18 01:57 AM

Partial Quote by Al Coda

"And today,- p.ex. when you own a MOOG Minitaur for the low end and a vintage Minimoog D, the "re-issue", Voyager or Sub37 for leads, sidelines and synth-fx,- does one need the MOOG One then or does another polysynth like the Prophet 6 the same job for less money well too ? Iīd say YES !"

There certainly are sound alternatives for those of us that don't have Moog One $$$$$. The newer Subsequent 37 is an improvement over the Sub 37, is a great sounding Moog that can handle leads for $1499.

The Prophet 6 is an excellent remake of the Prophet 5 with modern features and sounds as close to a Prophet 5 as anyone can expect. I've seen open box Prophet 6 going for less than $2000.00.

Mike T.
Posted By: Nathanael_I

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/25/18 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda

In fact I "want" one too, but OTOH, I donīt need it because I have so many gear anyway, hardware and software.
I think thatīs valid for most who can afford it.


This. It was intensely interesting for a few days, but it passed fairly quickly. I could fit it into the studio, but it would not be the most special thing in the room, nor would it be the most flexible or powerful thing. It would just be "cool".

I think you are right about the collectability, but that's not enough to get me to move on it. Maybe I'll change my mind before they stop making it, but I'm not much of a collector.

I do think we are nearing "peak analog subtractive synthesis". The real innovation in synthesis is happening in software and in modular.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/25/18 08:14 PM

Oh, I don't know, software is not the same as playing a real instrument. That is a big part of the reason Dave Smith started making hardware again, we can play the instrument.

Modular is not practical for musicians that do live shows. Most of us don't have the means or the desire to carry around large synths. There are quite a few synths that can cover most musicians hardware needs without reverting to connecting patch cables. To each his own.

We all have our preferences and $$$ is a big consideration for most of us. Not all of us can afford a Moog One, but if I had the money I would have one. But there are other instruments that can do what I need for less money. I am still happy with the instruments I own now, but if I were playing live, I would be up for a new toy if I could muster the $$$$$$.


Mike T.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/26/18 02:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Nathanael_I

I do think we are nearing "peak analog subtractive synthesis".


Peak analog synthesis was already decades ago.
With the demand of much more polyphony, it was just only too expensive going further at that time.
Much more polyphony for affordable prices was much easier to achieve w/ digital technology.

Originally Posted By: Nathanael_I

The real innovation in synthesis is happening in software and in virtual* modular.


*fixed

Since almost 2 decades existing and still being in developement ...

Creamware_Sonic Core Modular II_III & IV

FleXor II for SCOPE Modular

CWM modules for SCOPE modular

free ! BC modular for SCOPE

Running on Analog Devices SHARC processors, these sound great !

And well,- now there are cheapo VST modular synths available as well and they sound good too.
Who really tells whatīs sounding bad ?
Itīs matter of taste anyway.

Itīs not about the gear per sé,- itīs about what youīre doing w/ it.

Quality gear in wrong hands sounds like shit too,- no ?

A.C.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/26/18 03:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda

Quality gear in wrong hands sounds like shit too,- no ?


I can attest to this. grin
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/26/18 07:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda


And today,- p.ex. when you own a MOOG Minitaur for the low end and a vintage Minimoog D, the "re-issue", Voyager or Sub37 for leads, sidelines and synth-fx,- does one need the MOOG One then or does another polysynth like the Prophet 6 the same job for less money well too ?
Iīd say YES !

The MOOG One is cool, but itīs also made as a collectors item.
They know they wonīt sell very much for that price and they also know there are enough people out there where possession counts.
They will sell enough though.


The Prophet 6 does not BEGIN to offer the same capabilities or sound as the ONE. I have them both in the same room and there is no comparison whatsoever.

They are also selling faster than anticipated and Moog is struggling to meet demand. A nice problem to have.

And to an earlier post - you absolutely CAN nail pretty much any Minimoog sound once you learn the instrument, if that is what you are after. Not 100%, but really close, and mostly I think the imitation sounds better than the original the next day. To get them closer you need to EQ a little low end out of the One, or highness with the SVF.

I have also heard it do some OB imitations that were shocking. But all of that is just an intellectual exercise, and copying other instruments is really not the goal, of course.

Still I am keeping my Model D, as it has it's own beauty and immediacy, and it BEHAVES like a Model D.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/26/18 07:43 PM

Originally Posted By: GRollins
Asheville, NC, home to Moog, is just a couple of hours up the road from me. When my wife suggested a holiday trip up there for the weekend, I was all for it. It's a beautiful town and the fact that I was born a short distance away means that mountains look "right" to me. I feel most at home in that area.

With that in mind I spent an enjoyable half-hour at the Moog store on Saturday, 12/22. The majority of that time was spent on their demo One, trying to get some sense of whether it deserved a position on my GAS list. To be honest, the demo videos I've seen have not moved me, but given that I tend to favor the Moog house sound over other synth companies, I wanted to give the keyboard a fair shake.

CAVEAT: As soon as I told the guys behind the counter that I wanted to try the One, they responded that the evaluation unit wasn't their usual one; that theirs was in back to get the latest software/firmware/hardware/whatever updates and that the unit on the floor was a pre-production prototype that didn't fully reflect the current production sound. Specifically, the signal wasn't as "hot." It didn't drive the filters, etc. as hard and was lacking some growl or however you want to phrase it.

With that in mind, I sat down to play. My approach--especially given that I had four other people with me who don't quite share my passion for making music--was to run through the presets, with the idea that they will be chosen to show off what the synth can do. Yes, I know that some would rather have spent their time twisting knobs, but I could have spent my entire afternoon trying to create a single sound, rather than getting a broad overview, which is what I wanted.

In short, I just didn't connect with it. This is something of a WTF moment for me, because I generally respond well to Moog's stuff and for me to have such a tepid response was a bit of a shock.

So what's wrong? It's subjective, so what I feel (or don't feel, as the case may be) is going to be hard to articulate, but the One seems to lack the organic gestalt that other Moogs have; the sense that I was hearing sounds that, while obviously of electronic origin, had that indefinable something that gives you the impression that those sounds could have come from nature. It sounds artificial. It lacks soul. The One is a machine and sounds like one.

I want to emphasize that the very thing that isn't working for me is very likely to be the exact quality that will draw others to it. It's as though Moog infused 20% of the DNA of a Dave Smith synth into a Voyager in an attempt to appeal to a different market segment. In that, they were successful, but in doing so they lost what makes a Moog a Moog, at least to my ears.

I very much like the fact that it's polyphonic, but that's not enough to make me want a One. Not by itself. Not for that price.

The interface is sexy and modern. Straightforward to use.

But...dammit...the sound of the thing just didn't work for me.

Read my caveat above. Then perhaps read it again. Would driving the internal circuitry harder make it work for me...or for you? To be honest, I don't think that's going to make the One a must-have item for me. I suspect that my gut reaction would still be pretty much like it was Saturday--I left the Moog store without a backwards glance. No yearning. No GAS. No tug on the heartstrings. No making of plans to rob banks in order to fund the purchase.

I feel disloyal for saying that, given how much I love my theremin, Little Phatty, Voyager, and Behringer D...all units that sound, to my ears, the way a Moog should sound. But I'm not going to lie and say that I'm in love with the thing when I'm not.

Now, that big Keith Emerson synth in the corner? Yeah, that's talking to me. No, I didn't get to mess with it. It wasn't hooked up to play. Rats.

Those of you who get off on the DSI house sound should get serious about trying the One. Once you leave the organic, "might be an alternate universe natural sound" requirement behind, then I think the One becomes a more viable option.

Me? I think I'll save my money. Don't get me wrong, I wish Moog the best and hope they sell plenty of Ones, but it's not for me.

Grey



I understand that there is no accounting for taste, and not everything is for everyone, but with this synth more than any other I've ever played, a store demo will not reveal what it can do. You really need to dig into each facet of the instrument. If you try to dial in your favorite mini patch it will not only sound different than you expect, but it will not sound good. The default settings on the oscillators are the "vanilla" settings, and you need to dial in the goodies. It doesn't have A saw wave, it has a wide RANGE of Saw waves, and then some. The filter section behaves differently, and takes some time to get used to. The envelopes need to be tweaked. Everything. I have it in a room with a Mini, a Prophet 6, an OB6, and a Voyager (since sold). It kills every one of them sonically - and sounds more organic than any to my ears in a way-somehow more "solid" - but there is a learning curve. It can also imitate the Mini or Voyager almost to a T if that is what you are after - but it takes some digging to get there the first time.

There are also some quirky things with the effects that adversely affect some of the presets, but again - once you get your head around the routing you can avoid the pitfalls.

A few growing pains to be sure, but they are on it.

Edit: if you get another chance to preset surf, I suggest killing the effects. I also think they should have had presets that showed it could do the Mini thing. Maybe a demo mode with less but carefully chosen presets, hipper default settings, etc.


Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/26/18 11:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken

The Prophet 6 does not BEGIN to offer the same capabilities or sound as the ONE. I have them both in the same room and there is no comparison whatsoever.


I never said a Prophet 6 will replace a MOOG One.

I only said, when you own some assorted pieces of gear and know how to use already, almost any polysynth works for most music.
And it does ...

Please show me some music where Iīd need a specific piece of gear,- and when I donīt use it, the result wonīt be accepted as music.
And when you do, that will be the same than telling me I urgently need a SSL console and Yammi NS10s to have a hit.

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken

They are also selling faster than anticipated and Moog is struggling to meet demand. A nice problem to have.


Yes, thatīs cool for MOOG !

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken

And to an earlier post - you absolutely CAN nail pretty much any Minimoog sound once you learn the instrument, if that is what you are after. Not 100%, but really close, and mostly I think the imitation sounds better than the original the next day. To get them closer you need to EQ a little low end out of the One, or highness with the SVF.

I have also heard it do some OB imitations that were shocking.


This is good news IMO !

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken

Still I am keeping my Model D, as it has it's own beauty and immediacy, and it BEHAVES like a Model D.


Well, Iīm one of these now old guys w/ the interest shrinking the gear but keeping the sound quality from large rigs.
I appreciate MOOG One can sound close to a Minimoog and Oberheim (which ?),- but then it comes to the MIDI implementation in addition.

When I buy a keyboard-instrument today, I also want to use it as a controller in my rig, especially when sacrificing other pieces of gear to keep the rig as small as possible and to financiate the MOOG One.

For the future, I can imagine using just only 2 or 3 keyboards, 1 or 2 rack devices and software in addition.
Sooner or later Iīll sell my last Minimoog D, Obie Xpander and other keyboards and rackmount devices as well.

So, what does a MOOG One MIDI-wise for me ?

A.C.
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/27/18 12:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken

The Prophet 6 does not BEGIN to offer the same capabilities or sound as the ONE. I have them both in the same room and there is no comparison whatsoever.


I never said a Prophet 6 will replace a MOOG One.

I only said, when you own some assorted pieces of gear and know how to use already, almost any polysynth works for most music.
And it does ...

Please show me some music where Iīd need a specific piece of gear,- and when I donīt use it, the result wonīt be accepted as music.
And when you do, that will be the same than telling me I urgently need a SSL console and Yammi NS10s to have a hit.

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken

They are also selling faster than anticipated and Moog is struggling to meet demand. A nice problem to have.


Yes, thatīs cool for MOOG !

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken

And to an earlier post - you absolutely CAN nail pretty much any Minimoog sound once you learn the instrument, if that is what you are after. Not 100%, but really close, and mostly I think the imitation sounds better than the original the next day. To get them closer you need to EQ a little low end out of the One, or highness with the SVF.

I have also heard it do some OB imitations that were shocking.


This is good news IMO !

Originally Posted By: Phil Aiken

Still I am keeping my Model D, as it has it's own beauty and immediacy, and it BEHAVES like a Model D.


Well, Iīm one of these now old guys w/ the interest shrinking the gear but keeping the sound quality from large rigs.
I appreciate MOOG One can sound close to a Minimoog and Oberheim (which ?),- but then it comes to the MIDI implementation in addition.

When I buy a keyboard-instrument today, I also want to use it as a controller in my rig, especially when sacrificing other pieces of gear to keep the rig as small as possible and to financiate the MOOG One.

For the future, I can imagine using just only 2 or 3 keyboards, 1 or 2 rack devices and software in addition.
Sooner or later Iīll sell my last Minimoog D, Obie Xpander and other keyboards and rackmount devices as well.

So, what does a MOOG One MIDI-wise for me ?

A.C.


Potentially quite a lot, BUT - the midi and CV implementation is not complete, and I would wait for that to see what the capabilities are. Now it is only note on/note off and some of the basic controllers. The manual from 1.0 states that full CC and NRPN implementation is coming in "weeks", which would I guess be really soon.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/27/18 11:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Sooner or later Iīll sell my last Minimoog D, Obie Xpander and other keyboards and rackmount devices as well.

So, what does a MOOG One MIDI-wise for me ?
Jeez, don't sell the last Minimoog!! I literally have my Reissue in my Will...

As far as the Moog One, I really don't need it. To tell you the truth, I could manage to be happy with a decent MIDI controller and a laptop. But there is definitely a satisfaction to playing a good instrument that you emotionally connect with (like the Minimoog).
Posted By: GRollins

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/27/18 11:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Marzzz
I literally have my Reissue in my Will...


Coming to me...?

Yeah, I've got a Behringer D, but still...

Grey
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 12/27/18 04:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda
I only said, when you own some assorted pieces of gear and know how to use already, almost any polysynth works for most music.

Please show me some music where Iīd need a specific piece of gear,- and when I donīt use it, the result wonīt be accepted as music.

Surely, most poly synth sounds found in music can be duplicated in hardware or software nowadays.

It is harder to place a value on the creative inspiration a musician gets from using a particular synth(s). cool
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/02/19 08:46 AM

Cross-posted from Dig My Rig

Originally Posted by Marzzz
Originally Posted by ksoper
Had to wait until the Voyager was home from being serviced to take the family portrait. I think I'm done buying stuff. Or at least that's what I told my wife.
So how are you liking that Moog One? I have played it several times briefly but haven't warmed up to it yet...!?


Short answer, I love it. But playing it briefly won't get you where you need to be with the One. It takes a little time. The first couple of nights scrolling through presets and poking around tentatively weren't particularly inspiring. The more I dug into it though the more it clicked into place. Consider the presets to be showcases for particular features, not fully fleshed out patches. Some are, and those are scary good. Also consider the One to be a poly modular where the components need to be thoughtfully joined together to get good results. It's easy to make it sound bad. With a little patience it will blow you away. I'm still at the digging around stage and haven't really explored some features like the sequencer. I start messing with wave shapes and the filters and can't seem to move on. It's mesmerizing. And then the other night I came up with a Prince Obie kind of thing and smacked it around, palm glisses and such. Love the action and the sensation of mass.

If I wanted to nit pick, I'd ask that 1) Preset A1 be the wallet-opener. My unit (and the one the Moog team demonstrated for me) booted to Key Lime, an electric piano patch. As good as it is, it's not the one that screams $8k. 2) I wish they'd have run some 0000 steel wool over the cabinet after the last spray coat. My cherry wood Voyager is smooth like fine furniture. The One is more...industrial.

It's a magnificent instrument, though and it'll be the last One I buy. Seriously. I'm done.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/02/19 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by ksoper
Short answer, I love it.

Thanks for the detailed answer. I recently spent a few minutes with it at Control Voltage in Portland, and I was kinda underwhelmed- I thought the Matriarch nearby sounded more Moog (?). I did get about 45 minutes with it in a quiet room on headphones back in January, but I agree that a) the presets suck and b) it seems to take a lot of work to get decent sounds out of it, as far as I can tell it is difficult to get sounds with "weight" or "presence."

Right now I have an excellent reason to defer purchasing (lack of response to PolyAT over MIDI- and it will still be quite some time before they get to it), and there is the Black Corporation Xerxes which I am looking at, and sounds good. Quite a few other synths coming out now, and I also wish to see if and updated Omega/CODE comes out of the Roland/Studioelectonics project.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/03/19 05:34 AM

You can't go wrong with whatever you decide to buy. Yeah, it would be cool if an Omega turned up as long as it doesn't have those little SE-02 knobs. smile

I agree, the Matriarch has the old Moog mojo and I hope they sell a ton of them. The One is a different critter for sure. It is absolutely possible to get weight and presence out of it without resorting to stacking all 48 oscillators on one note, but that certainly achieves the goal. Once you've spent quality time with it it really isn't all that much work to get good sounds. But there are a number of different ways to get where you're going so the abundance of choices can slow you down.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/04/19 07:52 PM

Well, once Moog arrives at my spot on their "roadmap," I will probably give it a go. It is certainly cheaper than a Schmidt!
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 10/05/19 05:50 PM

Partial quote by ksoper

"It's a magnificent instrument, though and it'll be the last One I buy. Seriously. I'm done."

Yep, if the Moog One doesn't fill your every sonic need for the ultimate in subtractive synthesis, you're out of options. love


Cheers!


Mike T.
Posted By: Tusker

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/08/19 02:50 PM

A new review from Nick at Sonic State. Makes me wonder if people can gig this (people used to gig relatively expensive keyboards) ?

Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/08/19 04:07 PM

Finally got to check the One out at Chuck Levin's this week along with a Matriarch. This was an 8 voice model which is maybe the better benchmark for minimal fan noise. Barely perceptible other than the obnoxious initialization roar which happens every power up. But after that I had to put my ear up to the back to hear the fans at all and the room was pretty quiet at the time- cool. I wasn't that thrilled with the keybed, particularly the skinny topped textured black keys. Also left me wondering how well you can control the velocity on busy runs. It's probably fine once you get used to it but why should I have to? Ditto for the wheels although I think those are more easy to adjust to. I really liked the touch pad. Based on other comments I've read I'm not sure how exacting you can get with it. But it does feel nice and should work well for simpler applications at a minimum.

As everyone seems to attest to the interface is second to none. Picked up on the mod assignment scheme immediately and it can't get any simpler - absolutely wonderful. Not a big user of multi patches (up to 3) but this also looks like straight forward assignment. I did get thrown for a bit on nothing responding as I was "focused" on the wrong "synth".

Functionally this synth seems to have it all. It's a programmer's dream and I was able to get around very quickly. I spent less than a minute on presets with the sales guy helping me to get to live panel mode. For me being a programmer geek this is the only way I can evaluate a synth to my satisfaction. I spent an admittedly inadequate 20 minutes rolling my own. My initial impression-it just didn't grab or inspire me. I have no doubt that beautiful awesome sounds are there to be had once getting past the learning curve and digging in- one of my favorite past times. No need to convince me of needing more time....

Despite that I felt that this is not a synth that needs to be tamed but rather needs the goodness extracted out of it. That's just not what I want out of analog. I want attitude and balls straight out of the starting gate. Over driven, pushed, acidic, fizzy and even a degree of harshness that can be subtracted out to taste without feeling left wanting. I'm not doing movie sound tracks or beautiful sound collages which is where I think this synth would excel. Of course sound is so personal and subjective. But I'd say my biggest reservation is that despite all the One does both sound-wise and functionally it doesn't bring anything new to a well equipped synth studio. It certainly could help consolidate a number of synths - depending on the synths of course. As always it comes down to what you already have and where you want to go.

Matriarch Tangent:

If you're wanting a non-programmable semi modular mono with vintage Moog sound look no further. This thing has attitude and then some. She belches, gurgles, burbles and coughs up phlem for days. All while grabbing her crotch at the same time. My kinda woman.


Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/08/19 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Markyboard
Matriarch Tangent:


You need to cut back the Viagra.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/09/19 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Markyboard

Matriarch Tangent:

If you're wanting a non-programmable semi modular mono with vintage Moog sound look no further. This thing has attitude and then some. She belches, gurgles, burbles and coughs up phlem for days. All while grabbing her crotch at the same time. My kinda woman.




If that's the Matriarch, consider the One the pastor's daughter. A good girl. Mostly.
Posted By: Synthaholic

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/09/19 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by ksoper
A good girl. Mostly.

Crazy ‘bout Elvis.
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/09/19 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Synthaholic
Originally Posted by ksoper
A good girl. Mostly.

Crazy ‘bout Elvis.

loves horses, and her boyfriend too. cool
Posted By: analogika

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/09/19 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by davedoerfler
Originally Posted by Synthaholic
Originally Posted by ksoper
A good girl. Mostly.

Crazy ‘bout Elvis.

loves horses, and her boyfriend too. cool

Am I a bad boy, cause I don’t even miss her?

Played the One at the store for a bit recently. It really is a wonderful synth — the interface totally redefines what a polyphonic analogue can be. Just awesome. And it’s smooth, and versatile, and beautiful.

But...

The Memorymoog will rip your balls off.

Markyboard has put my sentiments into words. It’s a great tool, but nothing that makes me giddy.

Nothing I miss.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/09/19 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by analogika
The Memorymoog will rip your balls off.

Markyboard has put my sentiments into words. It’s a great tool, but nothing that makes me giddy.
That pretty much says it all; the One needs a more powerful basic tone to start from. "Balls" is a great subjective term. If they made an 8 voice Matriarch...
Posted By: davedoerfler

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/09/19 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Marzzz
. If they made an 8 voice Matriarch...
yeahthat thx
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/09/19 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Marzzz
Originally Posted by analogika
The Memorymoog will rip your balls off.

Markyboard has put my sentiments into words. It’s a great tool, but nothing that makes me giddy.
That pretty much says it all; the One needs a more powerful basic tone to start from. "Balls" is a great subjective term. If they made an 8 voice Matriarch...


Poor Moog. They can't win.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/10/19 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by ksoper
Poor Moog. They can't win.

Well, I would certainly need some time with an $8000 synth before I can determine if it will work for me. All I know is that I was more taken by the tone of the Matriarch on initial playing than I was with the One. Just like the Prophet 6 (and later the OB-6) grabbed me immediately, while all of the DSI Curtis chip-based synths didn't. Also, I have learned never to judge a synth on demos alone, gotta get my hands on it, which is why I am very interested in the Black Corp.'s Xerxes, but haven't preordered it yet. Still waiting to see if Roland/Studio Electronics has something up their sleeves...
Posted By: Phil Aiken

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/11/19 04:55 AM

I have both the Matriarch and the One - as well as the 2 DSI synths mentioned above. The Matriarch is the one that leaps out for raw tone, in large part because of the CP33 mixer. That thing is magic, and preferable to me to something like the Multidrive on the Sub series, which is also very cool.
The One's charms reveal themselves over time, and those charms could not be more different than those of the Matriarch. If you are going to hold down one key and marvel in the wonderful gritty tone, the Matriarch wins. I love that thing and it is not going anywhere. I don't tend to really desire that in a poly synth. You can absolutely get grit on the One by running the filters in series and hitting the mixer hard, and with 48 oscillators at your disposal, you can hit it pretty darn hard. But it's forte is definitely not gnarly distorted sounds. A micro brute can do that just fine. It is a vast playground, and a wonderfully expressive performance instrument.to be explored over time. It also sounds wonderful. You just can't switch it on and have it sound like a Model D without having your hands on it for a while, and even then, what is the point of that? It is its own thing. It also has inserts, and you can run it into an amp, or a Leslie, or a pedal if you want more dirt. If I could change anything it would be making the mixer closer to the one in the Matriarch, but with less drive than that one to accommodate the polyphony, and replacing the digital effects with something like the stereo delay in the Matriarch and with the amazing drive of the MF-104M, which can be subtle, or less subtle.
My OB-6 and Prophet-6 almost never get touched these days, unless I need to bring something small out of my studio. They are fine instruments, both of them. Not dissing them at all, and the OB-6 filter in particular is spectacular. Plus they both respond to Poly-Aftertouch, which the One does not (at least yet). Nonetheless they are both potentially on the chopping block. I did get a box called the LFE to expand their capabilities,(adds LFO's EG's and Modulation sequencer assignable to all CC or NRPN parameters by parameter name) but I have not had a chance to explore it in any detail. Adding more and different modulation capailities to both of those synths might put the shine back on them for me, and who knows, maybe the One will get a break for a few weeks.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/11/19 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by Marzzz
Originally Posted by ksoper
Poor Moog. They can't win.

Well, I would certainly need some time with an $8000 synth before I can determine if it will work for me.


I'm hip. It's a lot of coin for something one is on the fence about. For me it makes sense. I don't own much hardware any more and I never owned a flagship poly.

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All I know is that I was more taken by the tone of the Matriarch on initial playing than I was with the One. Just like the Prophet 6 (and later the OB-6) grabbed me immediately, while all of the DSI Curtis chip-based synths didn't.


The Matriarch has an outstanding tone. I pressed one key and went "Ooh." Knowing a theoretical Moog poly was in discussion but not knowing if it would really materialize, I took a good hard look at the P6 and OB6. While the OB was the one I thought I'd love, it was the P6 that I spent more time tweaking. It's a lovely instrument.
Posted By: Marzzz

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/11/19 02:25 PM

Yeah, I literally had a dream last night that I was at NAMM and trying to order a One from a dealer (?) on the floor- but then I woke up and again realized that they hadn't implemented polyAT over MIDI yet!

freak wacko

Probably in a year or so (roadmap depending) I will pull the trigger, but a lot can/will happen over that time.
Posted By: hardware

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/12/19 05:07 AM

I wanted balls in a rack. Moog didn't have anything but the rebuilt Voyetra 8 is what I got.
Sucker slapped my OBX and Code 8 so bad they were sold.
MemoryMoog and Moog One are both great synths but Voyetra and MemoryMoog are unequalled in the balls department.
I just wanted the biggest fattest sound that needs no tubes or delays, canyons, cathedrals.
Just sizzling fat hair partin’ waveforms.
Only does about six sounds, but I dont need 100 weaker ones.
Posted By: analogika

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/12/19 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by ksoper
Originally Posted by Marzzz
Originally Posted by analogika
The Memorymoog will rip your balls off.

Markyboard has put my sentiments into words. It’s a great tool, but nothing that makes me giddy.
That pretty much says it all; the One needs a more powerful basic tone to start from. "Balls" is a great subjective term. If they made an 8 voice Matriarch...


Poor Moog. They can't win.

Oh, no, that's not what I meant! The ONE is certainly a winner — it's a helluva machine, to be sure.

I'm just speaking from the utterly jaded viewpoint of a man who lucked his way into owning way too many vintage Moogs, (including a LAMM). Any new offering has a high bar for me to lust for it.

I was pretty sure I was going to love the ONE — and I do, for it's possibilities and interface. But I'm not wanting to give up the LAMM for One.
Posted By: dje31

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/12/19 01:28 PM

You'd think that Nick from SonicState would know the proper pronunciation of "moog."
Posted By: Charleston

Re: Moog One. The Polyphonic. - 11/13/19 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by dje31
You'd think that Nick from SonicState would know the proper pronunciation of "moog."


I doubt he speaks Dutch.
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