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Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video

Posted By: Joe Muscara

Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/12/09 08:18 AM



I didn't realize it had a synth section too. Apparently, you can play Jump with this board, or something that sounds like it

[The embedded link is lower quality than if you watch it directly on YouTube.]
Posted By: Tusker

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/12/09 08:45 AM

Thanks. thu

I'd like to see if they do pitch bend. Also learn more about the stainless steel. stand. If the $2150 is accurate, it's a great price point for all this functionality.

Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara

Apparently, you can play Jump with this board, or something that sounds like it


Somebody should tell Van Halen. Those guys play something that sounds a bit like it.

Or not. wink
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/12/09 09:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Tusker
Thanks. thu

I'd like to see if they do pitch bend.


I hope is multitimbral over midi to connect a 2nd synth action keyboard incl. the desired left hand controllers and I think PB and such will work this way then. Depends on MIDI implementation.
A.C.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/12/09 11:04 AM

Read more about it at:

www.korg.com/sv1

We've even posted the manual. In stores by early November.

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/12/09 11:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Tusker
Somebody should tell Van Halen. Those guys play something that sounds a bit like it. Or not. wink


Sad but true, I saw Van Halen last year with David Lee Roth, and they used backing tracks for Jump & I'll Wait.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 12:07 PM

Seems to be something wrong with the demo songs on the Korg site. I was unable to stream any, so I downloaded an MP3 of an acoustic piano patch and downloaded 41 seconds of silence.

Looks like us 88-fanatics are stuck with boring brown.

Keybed confirmed as RH3 - can any of you who have played one of these actions comment?

Also, I'm still a little unsure as to whether the tube amplification thing is modelled or whether that little tube on the front panel actually does something. If so, what's its projected life, how easy is it (will it be in future years) to get hold of a replacement and at what cost and most seriously of all, what happens to the machine if it gives up the ghost during a gig?

It's obviously got the Stage firmly in its sights but obviously the organ and synth sections are nowhere near as comprehensive or tweakable. For non-B3 freaks, that may be good enough though having included these sounds I'm not sure why they nixed any possibility of layering and splits. Except for the obvious one of cost.

At 600 less than the Stage (and hopefully superior acoustic piano samples) this is going to be an attractive proposition for a lot of people.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 12:13 PM

Originally Posted By: RedKey
Originally Posted By: Tusker
Somebody should tell Van Halen. Those guys play something that sounds a bit like it. Or not. wink


Sad but true, I saw Van Halen last year with David Lee Roth, and they used backing tracks for Jump & I'll Wait.


I think he's referring to this.
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 12:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan


At 600 less than the Stage (and hopefully superior acoustic piano samples) this is going to be an attractive proposition for a lot of people.


For people who already have a clonewheel, and aren't into splits, layers and synths this thing looks really promising.

I am one of those people. I wonder if you can dial in a different rhodes sound. The one on the demo sounds decent, but a bit too full of overtones for my taste. I'd like it a bit more darker and with more bite.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 12:31 PM

I couldn't get the demos on the Korg site to work, either. "File could not be found."

I've played the RH3 action on the Korg M50-88 a bit and like it. It's smooth and solid. I could see people choosing this over the Nord Stage for the action alone. Seems like Korg has a winner here. I want one.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 12:40 PM

Very promising product, I agree. Unfortunately, I do regularly need splits, layers and synths so I won't be cancelling my order for the S90XS. But it would be nice to have the luxury to have one of these just for solo piano or trio gigs smile
Posted By: jook

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 12:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
Also, I'm still a little unsure as to whether the tube amplification thing is modelled or whether that little tube on the front panel actually does something. If so, what's its projected life, how easy is it (will it be in future years) to get hold of a replacement and at what cost and most seriously of all, what happens to the machine if it gives up the ghost during a gig?


My guess is that this is really alot like the Vox Tonelab being built into the keyboard (Korg owns Vox):


Good thing too, being one of my favourite effects to run a ROMpler's Rhodes sound through. It makes a huge difference for EP sounds.

Guitarists consider it The best amp modeller on the market.

The tube is used. Here's details on how to replace the tube in the Tonelab (which is likely the same with the SV-1):
http://www.tonelab.net/how-to-replace-your-tube
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 12:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
Keybed confirmed as RH3 - can any of you who have played one of these actions comment?


If this is indeed the same action as the M5088 it's a bit on the light fast side for a fully weighted action. I like it a lot but heavy hitters may not have the same reaction.

Lack of aftertouch on the M50 gives it a very solid bottom. Aftertouch to me always adds a bit of sponginess to any action. I don't know if this new piano has aftertouch or not.
Posted By: Floyd Tatum

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 12:51 PM

Yes, definitely promising.

Small nit-pick here: why no pitch bend and mod wheel? I know that rhodes and wurlys and pianos don't have em, so what? This is a midi-capable instrument, I might want to use it as a controller at some point, and with no pitch/mod, that limits its usefullness as a controller. A lot of guys can't afford to have several different boards, we need to limit ourselves to one or two. So, you see my point.

Anyway, the demos sound good, I'm looking forward to playing one.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 01:43 PM

What platform/browser are you using?

I'm finding the streaming to be choking - my bad for putting up only high resolution files. We'll have to deal with that on Monday. But if you view "All Media" you get the player and can choose to download the MP3 files to play offline. That's working fine.

Sorry for any problems.

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 01:46 PM

Originally Posted By: jook
Originally Posted By: Aidan
Also, I'm still a little unsure as to whether the tube amplification thing is modelled or whether that little tube on the front panel actually does something. If so, what's its projected life, how easy is it (will it be in future years) to get hold of a replacement and at what cost and most seriously of all, what happens to the machine if it gives up the ghost during a gig?


My guess is that this is really alot like the Vox Tonelab being built into the keyboard (Korg owns Vox):


Good thing too, being one of my favourite effects to run a ROMpler's Rhodes sound through. It makes a huge difference for EP sounds.

Guitarists consider it The best amp modeller on the market.

The tube is used. Here's details on how to replace the tube in the Tonelab (which is likely the same with the SV-1):
http://www.tonelab.net/how-to-replace-your-tube


Yes, the Tube is the complete Valve Reactor circuitry we use in Vox amps etc. It is very low power driving the tube so it will have a very long life. But it is real and work in conjunction with the Amp Modeling section. The light doesn't change (it's a back-light) but when the Amp section is off the tube isn't being used.

Check out the Editor screen shots in the Image Gallery - there are a lot more parameters to control and shape the amp modeling available in the Editor, and that is the key to really dialing in the best sounds.

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 01:54 PM

I've been downloading the demos and they load nicely into iTunes. The only one I can't download is Grand Piano 2.

The manual for the Editor goes into more detail about the amp and FX modeling. Seems to be very well done. As I understand it, using the editor, any/all of the 36 sounds can be modified or replaced with something else entirely. Also noticed that the keyboard velocity response is saved with each preset.

Busch.
Posted By: yannis D

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 01:59 PM

Seems that... Clavia has put the standard very high. Let's wait and see (please more youtube videos)
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 02:29 PM

Originally Posted By: burningbusch
I've been downloading the demos and they load nicely into iTunes. The only one I can't download is Grand Piano 2.
Busch.


Ok, I see the same problem. We'll get that fixed. Thanks.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 02:30 PM

Originally Posted By: burningbusch
I've been downloading the demos and they load nicely into iTunes. The only one I can't download is Grand Piano 2.

+1
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 02:59 PM

+1 - sorry, didn't realise my soundcard had blurped out earlier.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 04:37 PM

So the electric pianos start with several seven-way, velocity switched tine versions, continue through the classic reed based model and then into a vintage analog electra instrument (all from American manufacturers), as well as two different Japanese mid-80s digital classics.

-------

Thank you.

Busch.
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 04:58 PM

The vid is a very nicely produced piece of marketing - hats off to Korg's marketing dept. I'm eager to demo it when it gets released, hope it measures up to the expectations the demo presents. Any word on street price?
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 05:20 PM

Bank 1; Electric Piano 1:

Tine Electric Piano (x4); VPM Piano (X2)


Bank 2; Electric Piano 2:

Reed Electric Piano (x2);
Electro-Acoustic Grand; Korg SG-1D;
80's Synth Piano; MIDI Grand


Bank 3; Clav:

Clav (x4); Plucked Reed Piano-ette; Transistor Piano


Bank 4; Piano:

Bright Japanese Grand; Smooth European Grand;
Mono Grand; Upright Piano; Piano + Strings; Piano + Pad


Bank 5; Organ:

Tonewheel (x3); USA Tube Console; Italian Combo; VOX Combo


Bank 6; Other:

Real Strings; Tape Strings; String Machine;
Real Choir; Synth Brass; Sharp Brass
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 05:22 PM

Equalizer:

On/Off Switch; Bass, Mid, Treble Knobs


Pre-FX:

On/Off Switch; Speed Knob, Intensity Knob; Compressor, Boost
U-Vibe, Vibrato, Tremolo, VoxWah (Auto/Pedal Switch)


Amp Model:

On/Off Switch; Drive Knob; Clean, California, Tweed, AC30, Mod'ed OverDrive, Organ Hi-Gain OverDrive


Modulation FX:

On/Off Switch; Speed Knob, Intensity Knob; Chorus 1, Chorus 2,
Phaser 1, Phaser 2, Flanger, Rotary (Fast/Slow Switch)


Reverb/Delay:

On/Off Switch; Depth Knob; Room, Plate, Hall, Spring,
Tape Echo, Stereo Delay (Tap-Tempo Button)


Valve Reactor Tube:

1 x 12AX7


Other Panel Controls:

Master Volume Knob
Transpose Button
Local Off Button
Function Button
Posted By: GregH

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 05:33 PM

If typical MIDI controller features are needed (for multiple channel output and control, dedicated expression pedal, program changes, etc.), a separate piece of hardware will be required. Although, setting a separate box on the curved top will be tricky...kinda' like with my Rhodes. Perhaps someone will design a flat shelf to use the music stand recepticles. Or maybe Korg will take the suggestion and whip something like this up as an accessory. Other than that...sign me up.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 06:01 PM

Hey Jerry the Korg Guy - tell "them" thanks for including a mono piano. I hope it sounds as good up close and personal as it does on the net thu
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 06:09 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
Originally Posted By: burningbusch
I've been downloading the demos and they load nicely into iTunes. The only one I can't download is Grand Piano 2.
Busch.


Ok, I see the same problem. We'll get that fixed. Thanks.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy


OK, problem already fixed, as well as the sub-par streaming issues. All seems good to me - let me know your results.

Regards,

Jerry
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: kanker.
Hey Jerry the Korg Guy - tell "them" thanks for including a mono piano. I hope it sounds as good up close and personal as it does on the net thu


No problem. When finishing the voicing I also found a "trick" on the Grand Piano 1 (Japanese Grand - you know who) with the Pre-FX that successfully collapses the stereo to mono as well without bad coloration. So by turning on the Pre-FX you get a second mono choice...

But... mono keyboard amps should be as reviled here as the dreaded X stand IMHO.

Regards,

Jerry
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: timwat
Any word on street price?


$2150 has been given. Unknown if that's street or retail or for the 73 or 88. This Japanese retailer XXXXX confirms the ~$2,000 price.

Interesting that a Nord Stage 88 EX in Japan sells for the equivalent of $4,500!!!

Busch.
Posted By: Dave Bryce

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
mono keyboard amps should be as reviled here as the dreaded X stand IMHO.

W3rd. thu

dB
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 06:21 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
Originally Posted By: kanker.
Hey Jerry the Korg Guy - tell "them" thanks for including a mono piano. I hope it sounds as good up close and personal as it does on the net thu


No problem. When finishing the voicing I also found a "trick" on the Grand Piano 1 (Japanese Grand - you know who) with the Pre-FX that successfully collapses the stereo to mono as well without bad coloration. So by turning on the Pre-FX you get a second mono choice...

But... mono keyboard amps should be as reviled here as the dreaded X stand IMHO.

Regards,

Jerry
Keyboard amps are reviled. I use a powered monitor - honest, real full range sound. Mono reinforcement is the ONLY way to go unless you don't want the audience to hear what you hear....
Posted By: FunkKeysStuff

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 06:24 PM

Thanks Jerry for all the info. Three questions:

1) When the ad copy says "three-way," "seven-way," etc., is that referring to velocity layers?

2) Is "transistor piano" the lawsuit-repellent term for an RMI, or something else?

3) Is "sharp brass" a "real" brass sound or a synth brass sound?

Really looking forward to getting to audition one of these.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 07:09 PM

Just listened to all the clips, quick impressions:

In reply to above:
2) sounds like an RMI or similar Elka transistor piano to me
3) 'sharp brass' appears to be the dreaded J*mp analog synth sound.

Pianos, rhodes, clav, strings, tron strings, and wurli sound good to me.

Unfortunate that the included choir is just a synth choir and not a tron choir. Big mistake there IMO.

The CP80 is not bad but I think the one on the Stage is noticeably better. OTOH, the acoustic pianos compete very well with the Nord.

I did not hear the promised pianet sound in the demo files. If I missed it, please point it out to me.

The hammond organs are completely unusable to me, and the leslie sim sounds state of the art for circa 2000. The transister organs are also a big cut below the Stage.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 07:27 PM

Moe, listen to 17 ElectroPiano.mp3 I'm not sure it's a pianet but I think it sounds lovely.

In comparison to the Stage, I know the RH3 action and will take it over the Fatar ANY DAY. Also, it looks like there is a roughly $1500 price delta.

Busch.
Posted By: Dave Bryce

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 07:43 PM

Originally Posted By: kanker.
Keyboard amps are reviled.

My, there are many things you dislike strongly, aren't there? wink grin

Personally, I find more than a few keyboard amps not up to the standards that I need for live performance, but I've found more than a few that definitely are. My Motion Sound comes to mind (not knowing it was to be reviled, I've been happily using it for years now), as do Tony Barbetta's amps. TOA used to make a pretty kickass keyboard amp as well, and I've heard plenty of good things about the Traynor stuff, although I've never used one.

Of course, it depends on the gig. I'm not that big a star, so I need something compact that can fit easily on a small stage. My Yamaha PA cabs usually don't fit along with my amp rack and mixer...

dB
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 07:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
Originally Posted By: kanker.
Keyboard amps are reviled.

My, there are many things you dislike strongly, aren't there? wink grin
Yeah, but I love me some dB wink thu
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 07:52 PM

Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Moe, listen to 17 ElectroPiano.mp3 I'm not sure it's a pianet but I think it sounds lovely.
Busch.


You've found it.

Regards,

Jerry
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: FunkKeysStuff
Thanks Jerry for all the info. Three questions:

1) When the ad copy says "three-way," "seven-way," etc., is that referring to velocity layers?

2) Is "transistor piano" the lawsuit-repellent term for an RMI, or something else?

3) Is "sharp brass" a "real" brass sound or a synth brass sound?

Really looking forward to getting to audition one of these.


1 - yes.

2- yes.

3 - synth/sawtooth based synthesis.

Another point regarding sounds - users can use the editor to tweak/program sounds based on the onboard effects etc., with the editor providing more detailed controls/parameters for those effects.

Korg can provide additional sounds via the editor that are edited/created based on the full synthesis system under the hood, and share them via the editor/web. So when the product is in the market and we get feedback from our users we can certainly try to fill "requests". We're already working on some more sounds to be made available by the time the SV's hit the stores in early November.

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 08:00 PM

That looks real nice.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 08:08 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
Originally Posted By: FunkKeysStuff
Thanks Jerry for all the info. Three questions:

1) When the ad copy says "three-way," "seven-way," etc., is that referring to velocity layers?

2) Is "transistor piano" the lawsuit-repellent term for an RMI, or something else?

3) Is "sharp brass" a "real" brass sound or a synth brass sound?

Really looking forward to getting to audition one of these.


1 - yes.

2- yes.

3 - synth/sawtooth based synthesis.

Another point regarding sounds - users can use the editor to tweak/program sounds based on the onboard effects etc., with the editor providing more detailed controls/parameters for those effects.

Korg can provide additional sounds via the editor that are edited/created based on the full synthesis system under the hood, and share them via the editor/web. So when the product is in the market and we get feedback from our users we can certainly try to fill "requests". We're already working on some more sounds to be made available by the time the SV's hit the stores in early November.

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Man, this piece sounds like a great direction for Korg. I'm a hardcore Electro 2 fan, my Electro 2 rack as many frequent flyer miles as I do, and this is the first thing I've seen to make me reconsider the Electro. Can't wait to give it a whirl
Posted By: mcgoo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 08:51 PM

This does look awfully sweet. Not too many hardware pieces raise my eyebrows, but I'll be checking this bad boy out. No drawbars make me not even want to consider its Hammond sound, but if the Wurly, Rhodes, Clav & Piano are killer, I may have to tell my son he's on his own for college tuition next semester. razz
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 09:02 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Moe, listen to 17 ElectroPiano.mp3 I'm not sure it's a pianet but I think it sounds lovely.
Busch.


You've found it.

Regards,

Jerry


Doesn't sound like the pianet I owned. This one must be sampled from the later T model.

From what I understand, the Combo Pianet (which I owned) and the Pianet N, L, and C had a harder, more wurli like sound. They also had no dynamics whatsoever and no possibility of sustain pedal.

Later ones (model M, T) switched to rubber pads and passive pickups, which supposedly had a much mellower sound.

I like the sound you captured, but would love to hear the "other" pianet sound too.

So if Korg is taking requests Jerry, here's my list:
- pianet C, N, L, or Combo
- tron choir replaces synth choir
- ability to unload organs and replace with new pianos
Posted By: richwhite9

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 09:24 PM

From ad copy:

The SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano will be available early November 2009. The 73-key SV-173 will carry an MSRP of $2700.00; the 88-key SV-188 will carry an MSRP of $3000.00
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 09:28 PM

Originally Posted By: mate_stubb

- ability to unload organs and replace with new pianos


I vote for this one as well.
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 09:33 PM

Originally Posted By: richwhite9
From ad copy:

The SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano will be available early November 2009. The 73-key SV-173 will carry an MSRP of $2700.00; the 88-key SV-188 will carry an MSRP of $3000.00


Ouch. More than I wanted to spend.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 09:41 PM

Yeah the price is more than was surmised based on earlier info (it's cheap in Japan). Doesn't mean it's not worth it.

Busch.
Posted By: Marillo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 09:44 PM

Might seem a facile question given the nature of the board...but with the couple of layered pianos will it be possible to increase/decrease the amount of string/pad behind it on the fly?
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 09:46 PM

Originally Posted By: timwat
Originally Posted By: richwhite9
From ad copy:

The SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano will be available early November 2009. The 73-key SV-173 will carry an MSRP of $2700.00; the 88-key SV-188 will carry an MSRP of $3000.00


Ouch. More than I wanted to spend.


Note that is Suggested Retail price - your mileage may vary...

:-)

regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 09:48 PM

Originally Posted By: mate_stubb


Later ones (model M, T) switched to rubber pads and passive pickups, which supposedly had a much mellower sound.

I like the sound you captured, but would love to hear the "other" pianet sound too.

So if Korg is taking requests Jerry, here's my list:
- pianet C, N, L, or Combo
- tron choir replaces synth choir
- ability to unload organs and replace with new pianos


Yes, it's a later model.

Perhaps I didn't make it clear - we can't replace the samples, we can make more new sounds based on the samples already in there. So we're not going to be making the kind of sound "swaps" you're asking for. Sorry.

They are good ideas, of course!

regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 09:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Marillion
Might seem a facile question given the nature of the board...but with the couple of layered pianos will it be possible to increase/decrease the amount of string/pad behind it on the fly?


With the current presets the answer is no.

But in the architecture we can increase/decrease the RX noises, so you'll find you can increase/lessen key clicks on the organ, and a variety of the noises of the electro and truly mechanical boards. We have already been discussing using that method to make some of these layered sounds where we put the layer into that part of the voice so they could be varied as you are suggesting. I think it's a good idea too!

regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: Marillo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 09:56 PM

Go for it! I've just come off-stage in the UK and w finish with a version of 'Nobody does it Better' which starts with minimal strings behind the piano and then builds throughout.

I realise that song isn't really what this board is about but it'd still be a really useful feature!
Posted By: jook

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/12/09 10:52 PM

Originally Posted By: mate_stubb
Doesn't sound like the pianet I owned. This one must be sampled from the later T model.

From what I understand, the Combo Pianet (which I owned) and the Pianet N, L, and C had a harder, more wurli like sound. They also had no dynamics whatsoever and no possibility of sustain pedal.

Later ones (model M, T) switched to rubber pads and passive pickups, which supposedly had a much mellower sound.

I like the sound you captured, but would love to hear the "other" pianet sound too.


Agreed in spades that my favourite Pianet sound is the N/L/C models. But they really are hard to come by (Nord/Clavia has been promising them for ages and gave up when they failed to find a good specimen). Even with the new sticky pads, they sound distinctly different (way too much "plucking" sound -- maybe they're too sticky).

Having said that, the Wurlitzer sound on the SV-1 is programmed to be very bright and "hot" and sounds alot like the early Pianet. Listen to the 07 Reed EP1 mp3. I think it can be quite easily programmed (remove a few of the lower velocity layers) to make a very good Pianet N impersonation.

I would like to see more programs with the existing samples, to give an idea of the variety of sounds that you can get out of them. I like Kurzweil's method of matching them with signature sounds in classic songs.
Posted By: Ian Benhamou

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 12:10 AM

Originally Posted By: jook
I like Kurzweil's method of matching them with signature sounds in classic songs.


+1

Those patches are a lot of fun, and SOOOOOO realistic.
Posted By: Dave Bryce

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 02:16 AM

Originally Posted By: kanker.
Yeah, but I love me some dB wink thu

Back atcha, mah brutha... cool rawk

dB
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 02:50 AM

Methinks this bromance needs a soundtrack. rimshot
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 04:42 AM

It's a pity you can't load new samples into it a la Nord, though. I have a gig this afternoon and have just been torn between tucking the Stage into the car or going with the RD. The RD won in the end, but only because I'd changed the samples in the Nord ready for sale (I didn't have either electric or upright patch bays filled for example).
Posted By: jook

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 11:04 AM

Hey Jerry, can I just say that it's great to have you so accessible and responsive online.

Elsewhere you said this: "Most of the samples are all-new, and the voice engine is taken from our Pa products with the DNS architecture."

Does that mean the piano and/or EP samples are not the same as the ones used in the OASYS? Or any other existing Korg board?

That in itself makes this super interesting ... it means everybody needs to try this out in person to get a handle on the new sounds. Can't wait.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 11:21 AM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek

Perhaps I didn't make it clear - we can't replace the samples, we can make more new sounds based on the samples already in there. So we're not going to be making the kind of sound "swaps" you're asking for. Sorry.

They are good ideas, of course!

regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy


O.k., thx.
I listened to the audio demos and have read the manual now.
If the presets sound like the audio demos in the web, Id be fine w/ all the piano type patches and layered ones.
I see organs, brass, choir and strings as additions and this reminds me to my SG-Rack I have in my rig up to now.

Functionality:
What I miss and compared to the SG, is the possibility to do my own layers incl. balancing the layered programs in a performance mode the SG offers.
After Ive read the editor manual now, Im aware of this isnt possible at all.

Next,- I miss a realtime midi-out on/off push-button like in the Roland/Rhodes MK80, which allows to disconnect a midi-rack module on the fly while playing and without getting hanging notes.
Maybe this could be implemented and addressed to one of the already available buttons in a software update.

Is there hope for a ring modulator effect in future,- CC pedal assigned to sweep frequencys ? Would be nice. :-)
Assignment of the CC-pedal to the delay time of the tape delay would also be a great feature,- like moving the playback-head of a Echoplex tape echo machine.

Program request:
Id also like to see a layered program of 02 Tine EP phaser/ 19 Grand Piano 1 and/or some more acoustic/electric piano layers using the existing programs/samples.

A.C.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 11:52 AM

Originally Posted By: jook
Hey Jerry, can I just say that it's great to have you so accessible and responsive online.

Elsewhere you said this: "Most of the samples are all-new, and the voice engine is taken from our Pa products with the DNS architecture."

Does that mean the piano and/or EP samples are not the same as the ones used in the OASYS? Or any other existing Korg board?

That in itself makes this super interesting ... it means everybody needs to try this out in person to get a handle on the new sounds. Can't wait.


Yes, the acoustic pianos, most of the main electric pianos, 1 of the clavs, all the real vintage stuff (including new tape strings) and all of the organs are new. So the majority of the instrument is new.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 11:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Al Coda

I listened to the audio demos and have read the manual now.
If the presets sound like the audio demos in the web, Id be fine w/ all the piano type patches and layered ones.


Those are the built-in, single sound demos untouched, so they are EXACTLY what the presets sound like, promise.

Quote:
Functionality:

Good input, but I cant make any promises about future things.

Quote:
Is there hope for a ring modulator effect in future,- CC pedal assigned to sweep frequencys ? Would be nice. :-)
Assignment of the CC-pedal to the delay time of the tape delay would also be a great feature,- like moving the playback-head of a Echoplex tape echo machine.


I hear you about both of these. I don't know, but I'll be sure the team hears your request. When showing the Editor to artists whenever I moved the Delay time and got the tape pitch effect everyone always lights up, so you're not alone!

Quote:
Program request:
Id also like to see a layered program of 02 Tine EP phaser/ 19 Grand Piano 1 and/or some more acoustic/electric piano layers using the existing programs/samples.


Already in the works!

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 12:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Ian Benhamou
Originally Posted By: jook
I like Kurzweil's method of matching them with signature sounds in classic songs.


+1

Those patches are a lot of fun, and SOOOOOO realistic.


Yes, I agree - Kurz does a really nice job with that.

Many of the presets in the SV were done considering classic tracks as well. We could have some fun here - listen to a demo and see if you can name the artist/track. Think more about the electric pianos and clavs. And of course, the American Tube organ is a freebie!

Let the games begin!

snax

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 12:03 PM

Please tell me you can route Hammond audio to separate outputs.

If I want to use a real Leslie on the organ sounds, I do NOT want piano/synth sounds to go to the Leslie I want them to go to the straight amp.

The Roland VR-760 made this mistake.

Kudos on including the valve reactor, I have the Vox Valvetronix amp and it is a big reason it sound better than any modeler out there. Not enough players realize that many classic EP recordings were done through a valve amp.

No LCD, all knobs - HOORAY!!!
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 12:26 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
Originally Posted By: Al Coda

I listened to the audio demos and have read the manual now.
If the presets sound like the audio demos in the web, Id be fine w/ all the piano type patches and layered ones.


Those are the built-in, single sound demos untouched, so they are EXACTLY what the presets sound like, promise.

Quote:
Functionality:

Good input, but I cant make any promises about future things.

Quote:
Is there hope for a ring modulator effect in future,- CC pedal assigned to sweep frequencys ? Would be nice. :-)
Assignment of the CC-pedal to the delay time of the tape delay would also be a great feature,- like moving the playback-head of a Echoplex tape echo machine.


I hear you about both of these. I don't know, but I'll be sure the team hears your request. When showing the Editor to artists whenever I moved the Delay time and got the tape pitch effect everyone always lights up, so you're not alone!

Quote:
Program request:
Id also like to see a layered program of 02 Tine EP phaser/ 19 Grand Piano 1 and/or some more acoustic/electric piano layers using the existing programs/samples.


Already in the works!

Jerry

Korg Guy


Great,- thx for the news.
But regarding "functionality" and if it probably isnt possible to get the performance mode known from the SG,- Im sure, you and the team will agree, it must be possible to adjust the balance of volume of the 2 layered sounds in every program using layers and to restore these settings in a variation,- p.ex. the already existing Piano/Pad, Piano/Strings.

A.C.
Posted By: Ian Benhamou

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 12:39 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
We could have some fun here - listen to a demo and see if you can name the artist/track. Think more about the electric pianos and clavs.


02 Tine EP_Phaser = Billy Joel`s Just The Way You Are
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 01:29 PM

Tremolo EP = "Still Crazy After All These Years"

Piano_Strings = "Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me"

Sharp Brass = It sounds so familiar and yet I can't quite place it... wink
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 01:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Ian Benhamou
Originally Posted By: jerrythek
We could have some fun here - listen to a demo and see if you can name the artist/track. Think more about the electric pianos and clavs.


02 Tine EP_Phaser = Billy Joel`s Just The Way You Are


Sure - that was a "easy gift" right?

Jerry
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 01:55 PM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Tremelo EP = "Still Crazy After All These Years"

Actually, no.

Quote:
Piano_Strings = "Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me"

We really had no specific target for that sound, so I couldn't ever judge a winner. Sorry.

Quote:
Sharp Brass = It sounds so familiar and yet I can't quite place it... wink

LOL - and we may fry for bringing that one back from the dead, right?

:-)

Jerry

korg Guy
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 01:59 PM

Reed piano - Put it where you want it - Crusaders.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 02:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Pale
Reed piano - Put it where you want it - Crusaders.

Reed Piano 1 to be more accurate, right?

The demo surely gives that one away...you're right!

But it works equally well for "What'd I Say" and others.

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 02:35 PM

It's operating system upgrades on the internet? Does this include new sounds, too, like Nord does?
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Tremelo EP = "Still Crazy After All These Years"

Actually, no.

I'm surprised. That song was the first thing that came to my mind.
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 03:25 PM

Actually, I would say that Tremolo EP would be:

Hard Times - again Crusaders

and might I add:

2nd demo, phaser EP:

Just the way you are - Billy Joel
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 03:31 PM

The American combo organ is the Gibson 101 Kalamazoo, correct?

I didn't hear that demo so am just guessing. I downloaded all 34 one-by-one, then dragged them to iTunes, but only half of them showed up or were easy to find. Couldn't figure that out so gave up -- maybe they didn't all start with the track number as their title, but I tried different ways of organising things in iTunes and still didn't find the other half, and even dragged them a second time and they still didn't show up in the list.
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 03:45 PM

Mark,
Use the iTunes search "SV-1 Demo Songs"
The rest that were not numbered are under this as the artist.
The numbered ones had no artist.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 03:55 PM

Ah, no wonder: I was looking to see if the others got categorised under "Korg", which they did not -- that's usually how most vendor demos show up in iTunes (except for the "track-numbered" ones which usually do not have an artist label).
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 03:57 PM

Hmm, that's strange, SV-1 is the album and KORG Italy is the artist (abbreviated in both cases from what is actually in iTunes).

Wonder why sorting by artist yesterday didn't find the Korg ones. Whatever; I see them now, and am listening through the remainder.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 04:00 PM

OK, I'm going to stick with my Gibson Kalamazoo guess. :-)

Also, I found the Italian demos more impressive overall than the unlabeled ones -- especially the EP's.

The clavinet is especially impressive, and that is the EP that most of us have been the least satisfied with, in almost every modeled-or-sampled hardware-or-software EP package to date.
Posted By: funkphingerz88

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 04:42 PM

The best sampled clav without a doubt is the Nord sample used throughout their range. The only thing missing is note off samples and the ability to use the mod wheel to bring in mute samples...with these additions it would be perfect.
Posted By: richwhite9

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 04:58 PM

Typical stage piano organs. Nothing to challenge or replace the CX-3 franchise for sound, tweakability, or ergonomics (drawbars and waterfall keys). Love the look.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
The American combo organ is the Gibson 101 Kalamazoo, correct?

I've decided I'm hurting the game by responding to the first posts, so I'm gonna lay back for a while. Should be more fun.

I will say that my first organ/keyboard I ever owned was the rare Gibson 201 (orange and black double-manual). At the time I quickly came to hate it because anytime I played a small gig in a place with dimmer switches it would hum like a banshee and I had to sit out while my band played without me. At the tender age of 12-13 or so that was crushing... and I held it against the axe for years to come.

:-)

Regards,

Jerry
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/13/09 05:20 PM

Jerry,

Do you have any idea what Korg will send out in the way of updates on the internet? I am always leery of first year offerings, witness the electro, then E2; xk3 then xk3c, etc. How comprehensive will net usb updates be, do ya think?
Posted By: leavity

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 03:15 AM

What organ is the "USA" tube organ supposed to be emulating?
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 03:53 AM

Demo No. 18 ElectraPno:

Such a night - Dr. John
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 04:06 AM

Couldn't they stick just one vibes patch in it?
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 11:05 AM

FYI, Musicians Friend has the 73 ($1,999) and 88 ($2,199) for pre-order, available October 16.
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 11:13 AM

Originally Posted By: funkphingerz88
The best sampled clav without a doubt is the Nord sample used throughout their range. The only thing missing is note off samples and the ability to use the mod wheel to bring in mute samples...with these additions it would be perfect.


Yeah, well, I think you'd hear some disagreement about that: the clavs on the Electro 2, to me and many others, sounds better than the later versions on the Stage and Electro 3. Regardless, a clav without note-off samples is less than a clav, if you know what I mean.
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 11:15 AM

I'm ready!!! BRING IT ON!
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 11:54 AM

Sweepable Mid EQ! (Using the software)
Posted By: Ian Benhamou

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 12:24 PM

I'm a lot less excited about this now. I LOVE the rhodes and wurlies and the piano's sound like they would be very usable in a band and solo context.

However, the clav's are good, but not great like Nord (btw, I agree with both Funkphinerz and Tony. For me the NE2 samples are the best I've heard. But without the off samples and the ability to vary the mute, your not able to cover the full gamut of sounds. At least you get all sixteen pickup and filter combinations, unlike almost all other keyboards).

I definitely have zero use for sampled organs, and I imagine most of us here as well.

The mellotrons are nice, but my PC3 covers this area fully completely (choirs included) with all the right filters, etc.

The synths, well, like the organ, if you've got a VA, then a sampled synth just isn't going to give you a hard on.

And BTW, the tube is a gimmick. Ask any tech-savy guitarist. In order to get the rich harmonic overtones from a tube, it must be fed a high voltage. Under-powered tubes, like the ones found in guitar pedals and low quality preamp sound shrill. Jerry is quoted as saying in this thread that very little power is sent to that tube. In fact it doesn't even light up.

Don't mean to burst everyone's bubble, I'm just being honest.

I got excited about it at first like everyone. And I still think that the Rhodes, and wurlies kick ass, and unlike the Nords, this actually seems to have very good pianos. But to spend close to 3 grand on a great looking keyboard just to have great EP's, when Nord and Kurz and Motif also cover these areas very well and offer so much more.

Just saying....
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 12:32 PM

I think thats a lot to ask for the board..IMHO anyway..to me, for that price, all the sounds AND the action should be outstanding..
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 12:36 PM

I agree that at least for my budget, the price for the feature set is very high. Which simply means, no matter how nailed its finite # of sounds is, I have to carefully weigh if the value equation makes sense to me.

But I have a question - that's also the reason I haven't joined the Nord contingent yet, while many of you have. How is this board different than the Electro or Stage purchase decision?
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 12:41 PM

As pointed out above, the STREET PRICE is $1995 and 2195, NOT $3,000. So it's a LOT less than the Nord Stage or PC3X.

I prefer the action of the Korg over those Fatars by quite a bit. If the EPs and pianos hold up that's a BIG deal. There are a LOT of players who don't give a crap about Mellotrons, playing organ on a weighted keyboard and mediocre synth sounds.

The money you save on this for the lower keyboard can buy a nice clonewheel or synth for a second keyboard.

Busch.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 12:50 PM

I think this is the most innovative product Korg has introduced since the Oasys! Hmm.....let me rephrase that! grin

Seriously, no matter how much we enjoy technology and what "can" be done with today's instruments, we still have a selection of B&B sounds that we go to time and time again. I think Korg has come up with a great idea in this instrument. One button push and you have the sound you want instantly. No menu diving, push a button and PLAY! NO LEARNING CURVE! I like that! Even old people (like me) can catch on quick.

It will be interesting to see what the street price on this instrument is after its out about 6 months. By then, the market settles and the prices get down and dirty.

This looks like a great performance instrument in a very light weight package that has all the B&B sounds on board in an easy-to-use package. Not sure about RED smirk but the 88 key version doesn't suffer from the shock factor.

Good one Korg thu


Cheers,



Mike T.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 12:52 PM

I think one problem for the new Korg is that it could be seen to fall between two stools. It's clearly trying to ride a little of the nostalgic/minimalist vibe of the Stage, just trying to do a few things well. At the same time, it's obviously a far simpler instrument - no B3 modelling or control, programmable synth section etc.

While that's also reflected in the pricing, it also puts this board in the middle of some quite aggressive stage piano competition. For around the same money, you can pick up either the Roland RD700GX or Yamaha's CP300. You can argue the relative merits of those boards all day, but their presence does point up the flaws in thinking of the new Korg in terms of a budget alternative for someone who would otherwise be thinking of buying the Stage.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 12:56 PM

Quote:
by Aidan:

For around the same money, you can pick up either the Roland RD700GX or Yamaha's CP300.


But its tough to pick up those instruments without a ROADIE! Yeah, the money may be similar, but the WEIGHT is a whole lot different. Us old people have been clamoring for a LIGHT WEIGHT KB that covers a lot of ground. We'll see, I'd wager that Korg will sell a lot of these, depending on what the actual selling price actually turns out to be.


Mike T.
Posted By: Nicky

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 12:56 PM

Quote:
I prefer the action of the Korg over those Fatars by quite a bit.


I think the RH3 action is a Fatar action
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 12:58 PM

Absolutely, Mike - I don't doubt that the weight and compact form will be a winner for many people. But as I say, the choices are there - which is all good, of course.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 12:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Nicky
Quote:
I prefer the action of the Korg over those Fatars by quite a bit.
I think the RH3 action is a Fatar action


That klonk you heard was a spanner entering the works. Can anyone categorically confirm/deny this?
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 01:08 PM

Originally Posted By: timwat
But I have a question - that's also the reason I haven't joined the Nord contingent yet, while many of you have. How is this board different than the Electro or Stage purchase decision?
My Electro Rack gives me a portability factor that is necessary. I also have a 73. They are just plain fun to play. I've never had so much fun, even after all these years playing a digital instrument. They were a (nearly) perfect answer to my gigging needs, basically all the instruments I had always wanted emulated that well in one package. The quality of the emulations made it worth the money for me.

The lack of the ability to switch out samples on the Korg when the Nords can do it is a negative. The "hidden" sweepable mid is too. That's one of the most important features on the Electro that the Stage is missing. Having a sweep right where you can access it is huge on a gig. The one other thing that looks like an early potential negative is the placement of some of the switches on the Korg, which might be close enough to the keys to switch on or off easily inadvertently. I'm still excited to check out this new piece, but I am a little confused over the closed nature of the beast when the Electro has had the ability to switch out its samples for 8 years or so. It would seem only natural to include this kind of facility on the SV-1. That means all the included samples had better be the absolute, undeniable sh*t for me to want to live with those samples and ONLY those samples for $2k.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 01:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
I think one problem for the new Korg is that it could be seen to fall between two stools. It's clearly trying to ride a little of the nostalgic/minimalist vibe of the Stage, just trying to do a few things well. At the same time, it's obviously a far simpler instrument - no B3 modelling or control, programmable synth section etc.

While that's also reflected in the pricing, it also puts this board in the middle of some quite aggressive stage piano competition. For around the same money, you can pick up either the Roland RD700GX or Yamaha's CP300. You can argue the relative merits of those boards all day, but their presence does point up the flaws in thinking of the new Korg in terms of a budget alternative for someone who would otherwise be thinking of buying the Stage.

It's obvious (to me, anyway) that the SV-1's organs, strings and synths are frosting. It is, after all, a stage piano; the draws are the electric pianos, pianos and Clavs. With that in mind, it looks and sounds like a lean, mean machine.

Regarding the competition (RD-700GX and CP300), the SV-1 is decidedly lighter and easier to use, and the electric piano and organ sounds on both of those boards are hardly best in class.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 01:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan

While that's also reflected in the pricing, it also puts this board in the middle of some quite aggressive stage piano competition. For around the same money, you can pick up either the Roland RD700GX or Yamaha's CP300. You can argue the relative merits of those boards all day, but their presence does point up the flaws in thinking of the new Korg in terms of a budget alternative for someone who would otherwise be thinking of buying the Stage.


But the RD700GX and CP300 really only do ONE thing well, i.e. acoustic piano. The other sounds are weak. The SV-1 is much more portable and if the player now has excellent EPs to work with that's a big plus.

I've never been a fan of the Nord Rhodes. I've owned Electros and tried to make them work but I just don't like the tone and response of the Rhodes. I think the Nord Wurly is much better.

So if the SV-1 has Rhodes/Wurly that are expressive, not jumpy and with good tone together with useable acoustic piano that can make all the difference in the world.

Busch.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 01:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Nicky
Quote:
I prefer the action of the Korg over those Fatars by quite a bit.


I think the RH3 action is a Fatar action

I think Korg makes their own actions. I don't think Busch, who dislikes Fatar actions, would've bought an M50-88 otherwise.
Posted By: Nicky

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 01:21 PM

Quote:
That means all the included samples had better be the absolute, undeniable sh*t for me to want to live with those samples and ONLY those samples for $2k.


+1000.....+ it's not really set up to be much of a controller, so if you wanted to use maybe a laptop for a different/better piano, it won't be easy to do (send out prgm changes on a dedicated midi channel, etc). So the pno, rhodes, and wurly have to be an absolute homerun for me to consider this keybd.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 01:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Nicky

+1000.....+ it's not really set up to be much of a controller, so if you wanted to use maybe a laptop for a different/better piano, it won't be easy to do (send out prgm changes on a dedicated midi channel, etc). So the pno, rhodes, and wurly have to be an absolute homerun for me to consider this keybd.


According to the manual, the sound selectors and favorites buttons send MIDI program change # 0 - 43. So it seems that it would be fairly easy set up a Favorite button to send program change to a soft synth host so that you could trigger Ivory, for example. Then just make sure the internal sound assigned to Favorite 8 has it's volume programmed to zero. Seems like you could make it very transparent.

I agree the SV-1 is not designed to be a great controller, but it does appear to have some basic functionality.

Busch.
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 02:06 PM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Originally Posted By: Nicky
Quote:
I prefer the action of the Korg over those Fatars by quite a bit.


I think the RH3 action is a Fatar action

I think Korg makes their own actions. I don't think Busch, who dislikes Fatar actions, would've bought an M50-88 otherwise.


I think they do too..I DID get an M50-88...n I dont like the action...but for an almost AP board, it does cover all of the BB sounds very well..at 46lbs, its fairly easy to lug..but hey, Im a small dude...
Posted By: Nicky

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 02:16 PM

I was under the impression that their synth actions on the M50 and M3 are designed by Korg. But the weighted actions are Fatar. I could be wrong though.....
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 02:24 PM

I don't know that Korg had "controller" in their mind when they designed the SV-1. It is what it is.....a light weight B&B KB that covers 95% of what most live performance players use, is easy to operate, and doesn't require a roadie to move.

There will be players that will take a good look and feel of this product. I doubt that Korg would have brought this out if they didn't do a little market research first.


Mike T.
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 02:51 PM

Actually, if Korg made an M50 module, I wouldve got that instead of the M50-88...they do make an M3 module...but it doesnt look like a module and is only made for the M3..or some sort of tabletop...its odd, I havent figured out the thinking behind that marketing decision.. the sounds are very good..but its shape makes it totally unfeasible..
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 02:56 PM

Originally Posted By: tonysounds
Originally Posted By: funkphingerz88
The best sampled clav without a doubt is the Nord sample used throughout their range. The only thing missing is note off samples and the ability to use the mod wheel to bring in mute samples...with these additions it would be perfect.


Yeah, well, I think you'd hear some disagreement about that: the clavs on the Electro 2, to me and many others, sounds better than the later versions on the Stage and Electro 3. Regardless, a clav without note-off samples is less than a clav, if you know what I mean.


The difference between the Electro 2 clav and the Stage clav is NOT the samples. It is the sweepable EQ that really lets you dial in your sound.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 03:00 PM

Originally Posted By: ADino
Actually, if Korg made an M50 module, I wouldve got that instead of the M50-88...they do make an M3 module...but it doesnt look like a module and is only made for the M3..or some sort of tabletop...its odd, I havent figured out the thinking behind that marketing decision.. the sounds are very good..but its shape makes it totally unfeasible..


Here's one way you can use it. Velcro it to the back of a music rack. Worked for me.



Busch.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 03:00 PM

Originally Posted By: mate_stubb
Originally Posted By: tonysounds
Originally Posted By: funkphingerz88
The best sampled clav without a doubt is the Nord sample used throughout their range. The only thing missing is note off samples and the ability to use the mod wheel to bring in mute samples...with these additions it would be perfect.


Yeah, well, I think you'd hear some disagreement about that: the clavs on the Electro 2, to me and many others, sounds better than the later versions on the Stage and Electro 3. Regardless, a clav without note-off samples is less than a clav, if you know what I mean.


The difference between the Electro 2 clav and the Stage clav is NOT the samples. It is the sweepable EQ that really lets you dial in your sound.
The sweep doesn't work on the Electro 2 clavs - both Presence controls become the clav filter controls.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 03:00 PM

Originally Posted By: ADino
Actually, if Korg made an M50 module, I wouldve got that instead of the M50-88...they do make an M3 module...but it doesnt look like a module and is only made for the M3..or some sort of tabletop...its odd, I havent figured out the thinking behind that marketing decision.. the sounds are very good..but its shape makes it totally unfeasible..

Really? Because the Nord Electro Rack and Nord Rack are the same shape and plenty of people use those without issue. grin
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 05:30 PM

Ive never seen anyone in my travels using either of those DBon..but then again I lead a pretty sheltered life...then again again, Ive never seen anyone using the korg module either...So let me rephrase...if the Korg module looked like a module..something I can put in a rack to keep it protected, Id have 1 in a minute..with one of the M3 modules, looks like Id need some sort of table..more stuff to carry, a secure way to place it so I could change sounds without it rocking to and fro and etc etc...too bad, as it does sound good...
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 05:38 PM

Originally Posted By: ADino
Ive never seen anyone in my travels using either of those DBon..but then again I lead a pretty sheltered life...then again again, Ive never seen anyone using the korg module either...So let me rephrase...if the Korg module looked like a module..something I can put in a rack to keep it protected, Id have 1 in a minute..with one of the M3 modules, looks like Id need some sort of table..more stuff to carry, a secure way to place it so I could change sounds without it rocking to and fro and etc etc...too bad, as it does sound good...
I use a Nord Electro Rack, and I typically set it on top of whatever keyboard I'm using. That said, the M3 module looks too big to do that with most keyboards.
Posted By: Marillo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 06:14 PM

One of the best clav samples around is on the GEM RP-X...it has a very authentic note-off sample.
Posted By: Ian Benhamou

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 06:36 PM

I use the NE2 rack as well as a V-Synth XT. Both are table top synths which are rackmountable. So since they both have very shallow depths but take up multiple rack spaces I opted to get a slant rack, the kind you would use for a compact mixer. I have 3 "normal" rack spaces at the bottom front for my line mixer and FX module or normal rackmount gear, and use the 10 spaces at the top where the mixer would normally be for my V-Synth and NE2. It works great, saves tremendous amount of space and gives me much better acces to the units' front panels. Or else I would need to carry a 12 space normal rack, which would never fit in my car and be a real pain in the arse to carry.

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/p...tem-?sku=541226
Posted By: leavity

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/14/09 08:18 PM

Wish it had built-in stereo amp/speakers, since it has right/left audio inputs.
Posted By: Ed Stanley

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/14/09 11:47 PM

It's high time that someone offered a board that competed with the Nord Stage. I had long assumed that one of the big three would do something to challenge this substantial bite into their market but been surprised that it had not happened until now.

I hate to rain on the parade but while it's weight and price point are big plusses I have a few nagging doubts. Are we supposed to be excited about it's sounds? Have any of you ever found a Korg acoustic, Wurlitzer or Rhodes emulation that was at all convincig? If so, please tell me the make and model, I'd love to hear it. I always rather liked the CX-3 organ but the SV-1 won't have it. Disagree? Where are the drawbars? And if it's just an AP/EP machine that's fine but it's not fair to compare it, as has been done here, to the Nord Stage. 512 MB of ROM is great unless it's 512 MB of crap. And do they really believe that adding a visible glowing tube will make us believe that these digital approximations will come to life and sound like the real thing? It's embarrasing. Anyone who has tried similar contraptions knows what I'm talking about.

My mixed feelings abouth the Nord are mostly related to it's price which is the last reservation I have. The SV-1's great price recalls the old adage, which I find to be as true about musical instruments as anything, you get what you pay for.

That said, I would love to be wrong about all this and it sounds great.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/14/09 11:53 PM

Have you actually listened to all the sample files? Or are you just raining because you like to get wet?

Except for the organs, I think it sounds great.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/09 12:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Ed Stanley
And if it's just an AP/EP machine that's fine but it's not fair to compare it, as has been done here, to the Nord Stage.

There's nothing unfair about comparing sounds, and that's what many of us have been doing since clips were posted. To paraphrase, listen before you speak.
Posted By: Ed Stanley

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/09 12:18 AM

Moe : I have not been able to listen to them through anything other than computer speakers which experience has taught me tells nothing about what the real sounds will be like. If you have heard them via a more revealing source or have ears that can discern more than I from your computer speakers, fair enough. And, yes, D-Bon it is unfair to compare when the basis for that comparison is price.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/15/09 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Ed Stanley
Moe : I have not been able to listen to them through anything other than computer speakers which experience has taught me tells nothing about what the real sounds will be like. If you have heard them via a more revealing source or have ears that can discern more than I from your computer speakers, fair enough. And, yes, D-Bon it is unfair to compare when the basis for that comparison is price.
I would say that for the audio I've heard, it seems like a step up in quality from any previous Korg product in terms of the AP and EP sounds. I've always felt Korg AP's were the worst of the big 3 by far. This seems at first glance to have rectified that quite nicely. I already like the sound of it better than the Roland piano samples, which I have grown VERY tired of hearing.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/09 12:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Ed Stanley
Moe : I have not been able to listen to them through anything other than computer speakers which experience has taught me tells nothing about what the real sounds will be like. If you have heard them via a more revealing source or have ears that can discern more than I from your computer speakers, fair enough.

Headphones?

Originally Posted By: Ed Stanley
And, yes, D-Bon it is unfair to compare when the basis for that comparison is price.

Why should price be a factor, especially when the SV-1 is cheaper than the Stage? When comparing the world's cheapest apple to the most expensive apple, as long as they're still apples, IMO, it's a fair comparison.
Posted By: jook

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/09 02:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Ed Stanley
Moe : I have not been able to listen to them through anything other than computer speakers which experience has taught me tells nothing about what the real sounds will be like.

It is not really anybody's problem but your own if you do not have a decent pair of speakers hooked up to your computer. And to assume that other people do not either, is ridiculous.

Given that you are aware you're in no position to comment on the sounds, how do you figure you're in a place to make the following comments?
Originally Posted By: Ed Stanley
I hate to rain on the parade but while it's weight and price point are big plusses I have a few nagging doubts. Are we supposed to be excited about it's sounds? Have any of you ever found a Korg acoustic, Wurlitzer or Rhodes emulation that was at all convincig? If so, please tell me the make and model, I'd love to hear it.

To add to that, it has already been discussed and announced by Jerry of Korg that the SV-1 features new sounds not found on any of their existing boards.

Originally Posted By: Ed Stanley
I always rather liked the CX-3 organ but the SV-1 won't have it. Disagree? Where are the drawbars?

It's on the CX-3, along with the waterfall, unweighted keys.

I for one am glad this board focuses on piano sounds rather than organ sounds. IF anything, I wish Korg left off the organ sounds completely so people don't feel the need to argue about this crap.

As for the tube:

Originally Posted By: Ed Stanley
And do they really believe that adding a visible glowing tube will make us believe that these digital approximations will come to life and sound like the real thing? It's embarrasing. Anyone who has tried similar contraptions knows what I'm talking about.


Originally Posted By: Ian Benhamou
And BTW, the tube is a gimmick. Ask any tech-savy guitarist. In order to get the rich harmonic overtones from a tube, it must be fed a high voltage. Under-powered tubes, like the ones found in guitar pedals and low quality preamp sound shrill. Jerry is quoted as saying in this thread that very little power is sent to that tube. In fact it doesn't even light up.


A lightly driven 12ax7 tube does have very obvious audible effects (even if it isn't driven to glow). If you are contesting this, then you're wrong. No, it is not the same as having an all-tube pre/power stage. It is used mostly as a distortion stage, and works much better than a digital overdrive (as found on the Nord).

The whole "Valve Reactor" concept, wanky as it sounds, is also the idea of not just relying on the distortion stage, but coupling it with the Korg/Vox amp modelling. The tube just plays one part in the emulation of the amp stage, and if you look into the Vox Valvetronix/ToneLab products, you'll see that it's one of the most respected of all the amp modellers out there. Ask a guitarist who needs to gig with a light amp.

The bad rep that starved-plate tube designs have, come from using them in microphone preamps or other devices where, of course, it provides nothing but a distortion stage to something that doesn't need it.
Posted By: richwhite9

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/09 02:47 AM

It fills a niche. The new Electros have their organ sound feel, the Korg the pianos.

Both are a little pricey IMHO given that a combination of a used Electro 2 61 or CX3 AND either a FP-4 or Privia or Yamaha CP series can be bought for the same price. $2,000 is a competitive and crowded field right now.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/09 10:46 AM

I have to agree with Dana (D-Bon) that it is fair to compare products by price. I look for the best sounding KB for the money I can afford to spend, so how is price not a factor?


Mike T.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/09 11:35 AM

Mike, I think you might have misinterpreted my point (or made a typo?), but no biggie. What I'm getting at is that I think it's totally fair to compare, say, the new Privia piano sound with the V-Piano. They're both piano sounds, right? Price shouldn't be a factor in deciding which sound one thinks is better. As well all know, a higher priced instrument doesn't mean that it sounds better than a cheaper one.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/09 11:56 AM

Yeah I did misunderstand Dana. I was referring to bang for the buck. I don't worry all that much about how the V-Piano sounds compared to a Privia because I could never afford a V-Piano. Oh well, I've misunderstood other things here before, why should that be any different? smirk


Cheers,


Mike T.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/09 12:17 PM

No worries, Mike. "Bang for the buck" depends on one's needs, of course, but I think the SV-1 will have a lot of it for a lot of people.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/09 01:15 PM

Yeah, I agree. Most of us use B&B sounds 95% of the time and the SV-1's focus is on vintages sounds, easy operation, lightweight. The quality of the sounds have been questioned, but according to what Jerry from Korg said, these sounds (or at least most of them) are "new". Its probably worth giving it a look, feel, and listen.

Cheers,


Mike T.
Posted By: zahush76

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/09 01:41 PM

Are there splits and layers on the SV-1?
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/09 04:30 PM

Nope.
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/09 09:15 AM

Here's someone noodling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esy4WEuN0-c


Not really stellar playing, but still interesting to see.
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/16/09 11:26 AM

Originally Posted By: kanker.
Originally Posted By: ADino
Ive never seen anyone in my travels using either of those DBon..but then again I lead a pretty sheltered life...then again again, Ive never seen anyone using the korg module either...So let me rephrase...if the Korg module looked like a module..something I can put in a rack to keep it protected, Id have 1 in a minute..with one of the M3 modules, looks like Id need some sort of table..more stuff to carry, a secure way to place it so I could change sounds without it rocking to and fro and etc etc...too bad, as it does sound good...
I use a Nord Electro Rack, and I typically set it on top of whatever keyboard I'm using. That said, the M3 module looks too big to do that with most keyboards.


Im not familiar w/the Electro rack, but while at a shop yesterday, I checked the M3 to see and feel just how big the rack is....it is def large, for me, too large to justify carrying it..actually, it looks as thou its simply made for the M3 it was sitting on..
Posted By: Keyboardwizz

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/16/09 05:39 PM

Why is it that everybody forgets the Roland Vr-760 (or V-combo) in this discussion, it was the only competion for the electro imho, had a nice hammond (waterfall keys with lower key travel for the organ sound ), nice e-pianos & your B&B sounds.
I was very pleased with it, until my Nord Stage arrived cool
that's the best 3000,-- I've ever spend.......
The SV-1 concept & design is great but the sounds I heard so far doesn't sound that good to me, but a nice try Korg......
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/16/09 06:00 PM

The reason it's forgotten is that it is unavailable, and even when it was in production, none of the stores had heard of it.

It was actually a pretty good compromise design overall, but like most Roland gear (used and new), overpriced (a long-term mystery).

I think the SV-1 is a brilliant design and fills a market niche. Whether its bang-for-buck beats out a Nord is situational.

Many people would rather have their organ in a dedicated controller with real drawbars etc. and waterfall keys with lighter action, but want more of a piano feel for the trad keyboards.

It makes perfect sense to me, to separate these functions, as fewer compromises are made.

I have no idea whether I'm in the market for this keyboard or not, as my first priority is a PC3x, once I am past the hump of all of these out-of-pocket medical bills and know my budget.

Nevertheless, I greatly admire the product and Korg for releasing it. But I personally am more likely to prioritise the Wavedrum as it is unique in every way and so musical and inspiring.

I do look forward to trying out an SV-1 in a store though. I'm pretty happy with the electric keys in the PC3x and figure those will satisfy me long-term. But I might also like a dedicated board and a lighter option for certain gigs and/or a second board so the PC3x can concentrate on synth and orchestral stuff.

From what I've heard, the SV-1 may have the first usable (IMHO) acoustic pianos of any Korg product. :-) I'm DEFINITELY looking forward to hearing those outside the MP3 context in a store!
Posted By: FunkKeysStuff

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/16/09 07:04 PM

How the AP sounds work in real life will make or break it for me as well. If I dig 'em, it's pretty much a done deal.

And I don't see this as being a "Nord killer" at all, especially with the "90s ROMpler" organ sounds (which I liken to the acoustic piano on the original Electro -- it's there to get you through a rehearsal, or maybe a single tune way in the background on a gig, but was never meant to be taken seriously). Rather, I think it would be a great complement. If I get one, it plus my NE3 will become my standard rig. Dedicated piano on bottom, dedicated organ on top, and an assortment of EPs, Clavs, and synth sounds wherever they're most handy.

Looking forward to November...
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/16/09 07:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Keyboardwizz
Why is it that everybody forgets the Roland Vr-760 (or V-combo) in this discussion, it was the only competion for the electro imho


This board didn't do it for me at all. Typical shrill/thin Roland high end on the organs, EPs were meh, clavs were double meh, no way to send the organ out a separate output.

The action, OTOH, was like buttah for organ.
Posted By: jook

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/16/09 07:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Keyboardwizz
Why is it that everybody forgets the Roland Vr-760 (or V-combo) in this discussion, it was the only competion for the electro imho, had a nice hammond (waterfall keys with lower key travel for the organ sound ), nice e-pianos & your B&B sounds.
I was very pleased with it, until my Nord Stage arrived cool
that's the best 3000,-- I've ever spend.......
The SV-1 concept & design is great but the sounds I heard so far doesn't sound that good to me, but a nice try Korg......


Clearly we have different tastes. The V-combo sounds were terrible to me. Not even in the same league as the new Korg. Try this clip which is the better demo I've seen so far:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHImk5NNiBg
Posted By: Nicky

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/16/09 08:15 PM

To me the HUGE flaw in the V combo was you couldn't split the Organ using 2 different drawbar settings (let's say for left hand bass)....you could only split the organ with a sampled bass sound, like a fretless bass or whatever came in the instrument. Deal breaker for me.
Posted By: Ed Stanley

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/09 09:06 PM

An open letter to Jook:

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. Please allow me to elucidate.

First, I made no assumptions about anyone anywhere in my post.

Secondly, I am "in a place" to make the comments about EP and AP sounds I made by virtue of my having played and in some cases owned every keyboard Korg has released over the past 10 to 15 years. Jerry of Korg says that it has new sounds. I'm just expressing my belief that Korg has historically failed to deliver the sounds that they are now claiming to have perfected. My opinion. I made no claim about the sounds of the SV-1, only it's Korg predecesors. I, in fact, expressed hope that they will be good.

In the future please do me the courtesy of reading and understanding my posts before responding.

Yours truly, Ed

But, yeah, the tube is snake oil.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/16/09 09:17 PM

Originally Posted By: jook


Clearly we have different tastes. The V-combo sounds were terrible to me. Not even in the same league as the new Korg. Try this clip which is the better demo I've seen so far:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHImk5NNiBg


O.k.,- Ive seen these 6 demos of this excellent playing guy several times now and I also listened to the Korg demos of all the 36 patches actually available.
The truth is,- it doesnt tell me anything how this instrument will work in a band context or a mix.

If this keyboard is designed for a gigging (or touring) musician, all these demos are speculative to me unless Ive played this thing in a live situation, rehearsal or gig.

These demos just only show how it sounds in a solo performance (at home?).

I dont want to buy a keyboard which is as close as possible to the original sound of whatever vintage electromagnetic or acoustic instrument because in every live- or studio-session I had in my life, these original instruments were processed w/ additional gear like hell to fit in all the mixes ever done.

Up to now, I understand, the KORG team creates more additional patches for this instrument, maybe on demand of customers. O.K... so far.
But is this the way to go?
Being addicted to the work of a team of programmers?
Do they really know in which context well use or plan to use their sounds?

This instrument looks like a instrument, but its a machine,- like every electronic instrument.

Aidan say "there are no layers",- but there are. These are in the samplemaps of some patches.
I definitely dont understand Korgs concept, layers of programs cant be done and edited by the user now.
This was already possible w/ the old SG models (program/preformance mode) and the SV-1 reminds me to these models very much,- but w/ better multisamples now.

I hoped for the software editor in this case, but I recognized, its not more than the real instrument offers in regard of creating sounds (except the mid-sweep EQ).

Why do I have to use a software editor just only because of this very important EQ-band ?
If there is a EQ available, I want to have full access to all of the frequency-bands of this EQ from the frontpanel of the instrument.

A.C.
Posted By: Ed Stanley

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/09 11:18 PM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon

Why should price be a factor, especially when the SV-1 is cheaper than the Stage? When comparing the world's cheapest apple to the most expensive apple, as long as they're still apples, IMO, it's a fair comparison.


Not when the world's most expensive apple features an organ w/drawbars, a dedicated synth, splits, layers etc. It's because the price of the SV-1 is less that it is unfair. You get what you pay for. To simply say piano X sounds better than piano Y is absolutely fair but that was not what some posts were focusing on.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/17/09 01:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Ed Stanley
To simply say piano X sounds better than piano Y is absolutely fair...

That was my point.
We now return to our regularly scheduled snax.
Posted By: jook

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/17/09 04:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Ed Stanley
An open letter to Jook:

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. Please allow me to elucidate.

First, I made no assumptions about anyone anywhere in my post.

Secondly, I am "in a place" to make the comments about EP and AP sounds I made by virtue of my having played and in some cases owned every keyboard Korg has released over the past 10 to 15 years. Jerry of Korg says that it has new sounds. I'm just expressing my belief that Korg has historically failed to deliver the sounds that they are now claiming to have perfected. My opinion. I made no claim about the sounds of the SV-1, only it's Korg predecesors. I, in fact, expressed hope that they will be good.

In the future please do me the courtesy of reading and understanding my posts before responding.


You're right. You contributed a post which had nothing at all to do with the topic of the thread (i.e. the online demos and available sounds of the Korg SV-1) and merely broadcasted your own unfounded speculations (that it's going to sound like previous Korg boards) despite evidence of the contrary.

It was my mistake to assume that you were trying to contribute something relevant to the topic.

You said that you have not heard a single good Korg piano sound in the past. There were plenty of videos which indicated to most of us, that this board sounded significantly different to previous boards. If you had listened to this and your opinion differs, fine. Feel free to describe what you don't like about them. But you seem to insist you weren't able to judge these clips, and that your mind is made up regardless. What was that supposed to contribute to the discussion? Like mate_stubb said, it sounds like you're just here to get wet.
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 04:56 AM

Love the look and the sounds. I'm normally a Scarbee user live, but cramming stuff into 2GB RAM is tricky if everythings preloaded. Are the multi velocity level pianos sampled per key? Probably not. I know the 8 velocity layer Scarbee Rhodes is per key, but then again, it takes up about a gig of Ram. Just wondering how stretched over the adjoining keys the samples are?

I do really like it though, I was measuring up the other night, seeing if I could squeeze it on top of the KeyB, it won't!

This is the first product Korg has released that made me visit their site for a few years now.
Posted By: funkphingerz88

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 05:09 AM

Next week ill be demoing this board...im gonna be pushing it to its limits..
lookout for some footage
Posted By: Legatoboy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 08:26 AM

The V-Combo and Roland sounds in general (Piano and organ, some of the synth sounds too) always worked better for me in smaller more intimate acoustic ambiances or in lower band volume settings.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 10:26 AM

JD, looking forward to your demo - you got friends in high places? smile

The thing which remains unknown at the moment is how the thing plays - some of the EP demos on the original viral marketing things suggested quite a sharp velocity switch.

And although the acoustic piano sounds really quite nice (esp for Korg), there doesn't appear to be any half-damper capabilities, which might work against it in more subtle settings.

However, unless this turns out to be a complete klunker, against all the showing so far, I expect Korg to shift a lot of these.
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 10:37 AM

Originally Posted By: b3boy
Love the look and the sounds. I'm normally a Scarbee user live, but cramming stuff into 2GB RAM is tricky if everythings preloaded.


I, too, was a Scarbee live user and the demos I have heard don't sound as close to the Scarbee samples as the Nord stuff does. My 2 cents.
Posted By: Marillo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 12:40 PM

I downloaded the 'Sound on Sound' review of this the other day. It basically says the acoustic and electric piano sounds are excellent, but the non-piano sounds ie organ, strings and polysynth 'confuse the issue' and aren't of the same standard.

Other bits:
*It has the best upright piano emulation the reviewer has ever heard.
*There's a feature called RX noise which allows control of an additional layer of extraneous noises such as keyoff, damper pedal 'thunk' etc.
*Lack of ability to control volume of strings in the piano/string layer is a problem
*The organs have that distinctive Korg 'percussion', but all are very useable...there's just no tweaking, obviously
*One organ is based on something called a 'Lowrey' (sorry, never heard of it) but is excellent apparnetly
*There's a few audible transitions between velocity layers
*Don't compare it to the Stage, the reviewer says!
*RH3 keyboard is a 'joy' to play

Hope this helps!
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 01:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Marillion

*One organ is based on something called a 'Lowrey' (sorry, never heard of it) but is excellent apparnetly


Lowrey was a popular American organ brand in competition with Hammond for the home market.

In the company's latter days, they churned out a lot of transistor junk, but some of their earlier tube models were prized by iconoclastic souls who bucked the Hammond trend.

The particular tube Lowrey sampled for this instrument is the most famous one in all of rock and roll - it belongs to Garth Hudson of the Band, and was used on many of their recordings.

Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 01:18 PM

Interesting comments in the SOS review, especially about the upright. I wonder if he's heard Ivory's uprights. The inclusion of the Lowrey organ makes sense given there's reference in the manual to the sound being made famous by Garth Hudson.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 01:59 PM

Gordon Reid, with SOS, is general pretty tough but also fair as a reviewer.

His conclusion:

The SV1 provides the best emulations of acoustic pianos, electro-mechanical pianos and electronic pianos that I have yet heard on a single instrument. It also offers a range of additional sounds such as organs and strings, but its hard to decide whether these are a bonus or a distraction. If youre in the market for a stage piano, you mustnt buy anything until you have tried this.

Busch.
Posted By: bhodaway10

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 01:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Marillion
I downloaded the 'Sound on Sound' review of this the other day. It basically says the acoustic and electric piano sounds are excellent, but the non-piano sounds ie organ, strings and polysynth 'confuse the issue' and aren't of the same standard.

Other bits:
*It has the best upright piano emulation the reviewer has ever heard.
*There's a feature called RX noise which allows control of an additional layer of extraneous noises such as keyoff, damper pedal 'thunk' etc.
*Lack of ability to control volume of strings in the piano/string layer is a problem
*The organs have that distinctive Korg 'percussion', but all are very useable...there's just no tweaking, obviously
*One organ is based on something called a 'Lowrey' (sorry, never heard of it) but is excellent apparnetly
*There's a few audible transitions between velocity layers
*Don't compare it to the Stage, the reviewer says!
*RH3 keyboard is a 'joy' to play

Hope this helps!


Thanks Marillion. I can't wait to read the article too.

I always felt that Nord should have released a non-organ stage.

I think this instrument fits my bill : need excellent acoustic, electric piano, clav sounds, portable, easy to use, a good keybed, and heck, it's endorsed by two of my favorite players : Eldar and Neal Evans.

Can't wait to play one live.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 02:06 PM

Also, from the article:

If I had been Korgs design team, I would have ditched the extra sounds and used the freed memory to include a greater range of Clavinets and Pianets, as well as the rest of the RMIs registrations. I would then have called it the SVP1 Stage Vintage Piano rather than the SV1, and marketed it as the best acoustic and electric piano emulator on the planet. Which, in all likelihood, it already is.

Busch.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 02:21 PM

And, there are four Rhodes and two Wurlitzer soundsets to choose from.

Busch.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 02:36 PM

Originally Posted By: burningbusch
And, there are four Rhodes and two Wurlitzer soundsets to choose from.

Busch.
Now, are those 4 and 2 discreet sets of samples, or just 4 and 2 programs derived from the same set of respective samples?
Posted By: The Real MC

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 02:38 PM

What, no Nord Lead samples?

*ducks*
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 02:41 PM

Originally Posted By: The Real MC
What, no Nord Lead samples?

*ducks*
Nope, no Nord Lead samples, but yes, there are duck samples.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 02:48 PM

Originally Posted By: kanker.
Originally Posted By: burningbusch
And, there are four Rhodes and two Wurlitzer soundsets to choose from.

Busch.
Now, are those 4 and 2 discreet sets of samples, or just 4 and 2 programs derived from the same set of respective samples?


According to the article:

The four Fender Rhodes multisamples are of high quality, and I was particularly impressed with the clunky bottom end of the brightest of these.

Jerry could tell us for sure.

Busch.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 04:26 PM

I can't spend too much time right now, here's some quick clarifications.

Seems like Gordon did us proud - he's a good guy, with the best knowledge of classic instruments and Korg's history that I have ever known/met/seen.

But... he did get this issue confused. Each location does not imply a different multisample, or set of multisamples. So for the "tine" EP we have a set of 7-way velocity switched samples from a given instrument. And then we have some other files from our large library. We can mix them/use them in different ways to product variations. If I recall correctly one of the four uses less than 7-way switching. And the fourth is emulating a Dyno version so it has some other elements creatively used. It's the result that counts, and it's nice IMHO.

The Wurly is two versions using the same PCM with different shaping and effects.

Clavs have different PCM per location to cover variations.

Each organ IS different PCM.

Get the picture?

Speaking of pictures - Mate - I have always loved that picture of Garth, but that is not the organ we sampled. He started to use that model very late in the life of the group - for the original album with Chest Fever it was the Festival model - a bit smaller. But a wonderful sound.

Gotta run for now.

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Marillion
I downloaded the 'Sound on Sound' review of this the other day. It basically says the acoustic and electric piano sounds are excellent, but the non-piano sounds ie organ, strings and polysynth 'confuse the issue' and aren't of the same standard.

Other bits:

*The organs have that distinctive Korg 'percussion', but all are very useable...there's just no tweaking, obviously


For the first/main organ which "is" a click organ, the control you have over the RX noises can increase/decrease the click. So that sound can be turned into a completely click-less version if desired. Maybe that wasn't pointed out to Gordon...

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 04:46 PM

That was an very honest answer Jerry, thanks for the clarification. No smoke and mirrors. This is good.


Cheers,



Mike T.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 08:21 PM

Sweetwater has a demo of the SV-1:

click
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 08:38 PM

So, at 6:25 he mentions that the external inputs can be feed through the SV-1's effects. Manual says nothing about that. Not sure I'd want that. Certainly should be defeatable.

Jerry,
Undocumented feature or minor error in description?
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 08:48 PM

Man, the Garth Hudson organ -- I've never quite gotten that sound, and I've covered a number of songs by The Band at various times, so it DOES matter to me. :-)

I guess I thought Lowery was famous, not obscure, but maybe it's a generational thing, as they probably don't have much presence these days. Or maybe Garth Hudson just brought them temporary name recognition. At any rate, my wild guess of Gibson was without taking the time to actually listen to anything that I knew to have been recorded on the Kalamazoo, such as The Doors.

Korg made some smart choices on this SV-1 keyboard that can make it many people's primary keyboard and an excellent second keyboard for almost everyone else. :-)
Posted By: richwhite9

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 08:51 PM

Originally Posted By: mate_stubb


Lowrey was a popular American organ brand in competition with Hammond for the home market.

In the company's latter days, they churned out a lot of transistor junk, but some of their earlier tube models were prized by iconoclastic souls who bucked the Hammond trend.


Lowery is still big. They sell more organs than anyone else in the US. The client is the retiree market that loves the $10,000 to $35,000 arrangers complete w/with GM sounds and dealer that offer lifetime EZ-play lessons. Yes they still have a distinctive sound that Brian Wilson, Peter Townsend, and John Lennon would appreciate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowrey_organ

http://www.lowrey.com/OrganExpand.aspx?organ=19
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 09:08 PM

OK, this thing defines "fun machine." And the model is called Sensation SU430. thu

Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 10:07 PM

I really like that Rhodes tone at the very beginning of the Sweetwater video. Great tone, not hyped.

Busch.
Posted By: RichF

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 10:38 PM

Originally Posted By: RedKey
So, at 6:25 he mentions that the external inputs can be feed through the SV-1's effects. Manual says nothing about that. Not sure I'd want that. Certainly should be defeatable.

Jerry,
Undocumented feature or minor error in description?


Hi RedKey,

Thanks for pointing this out... It's an error in my description, and I apologize for misleading. The audio inputs do NOT hit any of the SV-1's effects or amplifier modeling.

-Rich
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 10:53 PM

Originally Posted By: RichF
The audio inputs do NOT hit any of the SV-1's effects or amplifier modeling. -Rich


Thanks for the follow up. No harm at all. You're demonstration is absolutely solid. Well done.

Welcome to the forum!
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 11:12 PM

Originally Posted By: RichF
Originally Posted By: RedKey
So, at 6:25 he mentions that the external inputs can be feed through the SV-1's effects. Manual says nothing about that. Not sure I'd want that. Certainly should be defeatable.

Jerry,
Undocumented feature or minor error in description?


Hi RedKey,

Thanks for pointing this out... It's an error in my description, and I apologize for misleading. The audio inputs do NOT hit any of the SV-1's effects or amplifier modeling.

-Rich
So they feed straight into the output stage? That's cool, handy feature for multi keyboard setups
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 11:16 PM

I'm having serious G.A.S.
Posted By: RichF

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/17/09 11:50 PM

Why thank you! It's a shame to come into the forum on a slightly negative note, but I appreciate the kind words.

Yes, kanker, the input signal does get fed to the outputs, so you can hook up a music source or additional keyboard.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 01:44 AM

There is so much G.A.S. in the room right now, that I fear an explosion is imminent. :-)
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 02:26 AM

I gotta believe the real litmus test will be the finger/sound connection with the acoustic pianos. If the playing experience is there and the sound's weight & timbre compete with what else is out there, gonna be a lot of musikeros sitting on Santa's lap. At least for me, the whole feature set is positive - just waiting to see what a half-hour sit-down with one in person reveals.
Posted By: zahush76

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 03:56 AM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
OK, this thing defines "fun machine." And the model is called Sensation SU430. thu



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04-EatBQAu0
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 06:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Marillion
I downloaded the 'Sound on Sound' review of this the other day. It basically says the acoustic and electric piano sounds are excellent, but the non-piano sounds ie organ, strings and polysynth 'confuse the issue' and aren't of the same standard.


Interesting !
I also would like to see the SV-1 as a pure piano, electric pianos and clav instrument.

Originally Posted By: Marillion

Other bits:

*Lack of ability to control volume of strings in the piano/string layer is a problem


Confirmed! This is a REAL prob if there isnt a way to change this in a software update.

And for me, another question is coming up regarding in sample maps embedded layers:
Do these patches reduce polyphony or not ?

Originally Posted By: Marillion

*There's a few audible transitions between velocity layers


Thats what I noticed already by watching the very 1st vids of the "ghost-keyboard" and its also noticable in the musicians friend vid.
As ever, these vids are made to make the instrument shine,- so there might be more surprises coming during other test if its available.

Originally Posted By: Marillion

*RH3 keyboard is a 'joy' to play


I can imagine to be satisfied w/ this action,- to play acoustic pianos !

Assume, Id buy the 88version for $2.200 because of the acoustic pianos/electric pianos and action,- Id want to play the clavs w/ a 2nd keyboards over MIDI then,- simultaneously.
Is that possible ?
Does it offer dual-timbrality over MIDI in ????
I dont ask for split/layer and/or zoning over midi,- just only 2 sounds at once,- one over midi and one w/ internal keyboard.

If not, its a dealbreaker for me, just only because Id get a PC3 for the same price.

A.C.
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 11:24 AM

I've seen that the summing mono out is only on the 1/4" outputs. The XLR outs do not sum if one output is used.

A: Can both sets of outputs be used simultaneously?
B: Could I use the XLR's in stereo for monitors and still use the mono 1/4" out to a DI to the FOH?
C: Are the stereo inputs summed to mono when using the mono 1/4" output.

This would be a fantastic setup. 2nd board patched into the SV-1 in stereo. Both boards in stereo for monitors using the XLR outs. Choice of Stereo or Summed Mono to the FOH using the 1/4" outs depending on FOH being Mono or Stereo.
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 11:24 AM

Rich welcome to the forum! This is the best video I've seen of the SV1 yet.

I'm on standby with plastic in hand!
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 02:09 PM

Hmm - seems the Sweetwater video has fallen victim to S70XS syndrome - "removed by user"?
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 02:10 PM

Perhaps a copyright issue because it was on YouTube.
Posted By: RichF

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 03:37 PM

...Or perhaps, based on some eagle-eyed user input, a slight edit was requested. smile
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 03:43 PM

.
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: RichF
...Or perhaps, based on some eagle-eyed user input, a slight edit was requested. smile


So sorry. Didn't mean to do that! Tell the boss that my SV-1 is still on order.
Posted By: RichF

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 04:11 PM

Originally Posted By: RedKey
So sorry. Didn't mean to do that! Tell the boss that my SV-1 is still on order.


Don't feel bad, you just helped us... it was me that requested the video be modified! Again, thank you for pointing it out.
Posted By: Dave Bryce

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 04:26 PM

Glad to see you here, brother Rich - welcome to the forum! wave

I'm psyched to play these bad boys at AES next month.... cool thu

dB
Posted By: RichF

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
Glad to see you here, brother Rich - welcome to the forum! wave

I'm psyched to play these bad boys at AES next month.... cool thu

dB


Thanks Dave... I know you're really going to dig this one. We'll try to keep it clean for ya.

FYI, all, the Sweetwater video is back up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k5QBonuivQ
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 05:09 PM

Rich....you can drop ship directly to me if you'd like! No, seriously.

Really.

I mean it.

Hey.



Rich?


Hellllllooooooooo?


Rich?
Posted By: richwhite9

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 05:28 PM

Very nice video at Sweetwater. I thought the acoustic sounded just plain bad in the other demos.

So the rig of the week is a Red Korg SV-1, topped by a Korg CX-3, a Ventilator rotary effect and QSC K series speakers.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: tonysounds
Rich....you can drop ship directly to me if you'd like! No, seriously.

Really.

I mean it.

Hey.



Rich?


Hellllllooooooooo?


Rich?


Sorry, I had to deactivate Rich for a while... he is a new type of Korg Tech product and he needed a short tune-up. I'm afraid he didn't get your last message. Too bad...

:-)

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 05:57 PM

Tony,
We can't both buy one. What would we sell each other in 3 months? thu
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 06:02 PM

Originally Posted By: richwhite9
Very nice video at Sweetwater. I thought the acoustic sounded just plain bad in the other demos.

So the rig of the week is a Red Korg SV-1, topped by a Korg CX-3, a Ventilator rotary effect and QSC K series speakers.



I'm afraid nothing is going on top of that SV1: maybe you haven't seen the scalloped 1/4 moon slope?

And besides, the rig of the week is my SV1 atop my Xk1: SV1 into my K12s, and the Xk1 into my Speakeasy RocBox!
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 06:04 PM

Originally Posted By: RedKey
Tony,
We can't both buy one. What would we sell each other in 3 months? thu


I've got some bass gear!!??

And maybe....just maybe....my A90ex?
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 06:11 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
Sorry, I had to deactivate Rich for a while... he is a new type of Korg Tech product and he needed a short tune-up. I'm afraid he didn't get your last message. Too bad...

:-)

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy


Jerry....you can drop ship directly to me if you'd like! No, seriously.

Really.

I mean it.

Hey.

Jerry?


Hellllllooooooooo?


Jerry?
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: tonysounds
I'm afraid nothing is going on top of that SV1: maybe you haven't seen the scalloped 1/4 moon slope?
And besides, the rig of the week is my SV1 atop my Xk1: SV1 into my K12s, and the Xk1 into my Speakeasy RocBox!


If I cut down my Apex arms to about 6", The Stage Compact will sit perfectly on top of the SV-1. The front fully supported by the SV-1 and the back by an abbreviated V support.

So, IMHO the rig of the week (well, not this week) would be Stage Compact on top of the SV-1. The wave on top of the RB3 in an L formation. Pair of QSC K10s. And don't forget the JDI duplex.
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/18/09 11:36 PM

Bump
Originally Posted By: RedKey
I've seen that the summing mono out is only on the 1/4" outputs. The XLR outs do not sum if one output is used.

A: Can both sets of outputs be used simultaneously?
B: Could I use the XLR's in stereo for monitors and still use the mono 1/4" out to a DI to the FOH?
C: Are the stereo inputs summed to mono when using the mono 1/4" output.

This would be a fantastic setup. 2nd board patched into the SV-1 in stereo. Both boards in stereo for monitors using the XLR outs. Choice of Stereo or Summed Mono to the FOH using the 1/4" outs depending on FOH being Mono or Stereo.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/19/09 01:49 AM

I'm skeptical that the acoustic piano and Rhodes would be ideal in a straight ahead acoustic jazz setting. They both sound perhaps too punchy, too agressive. They sound good for fusion, funk, blues, rock, pop stuff.
Posted By: bhodaway10

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/19/09 03:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I'm skeptical that the acoustic piano and Rhodes would be ideal in a straight ahead acoustic jazz setting. They both sound perhaps too punchy, too agressive. They sound good for fusion, funk, blues, rock, pop stuff.


I know he's an endorser but Eldar is a pretty darn good jazz piano player. I've seen him twice at yoshis and was thoroughly impressed. I hope he would say something if he didn't like the pianos.

I hope it's good for jazz though...that's predominately what I play.
Posted By: jook

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/19/09 03:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I'm skeptical that the acoustic piano and Rhodes would be ideal in a straight ahead acoustic jazz setting. They both sound perhaps too punchy, too agressive. They sound good for fusion, funk, blues, rock, pop stuff.


It's funny how one video inspires this, and another one was making people say that it would probably only sound good in a solo/acoustic setting. I think it just shows the versatility.

Jazz+, if you haven't already, check out this clip of the acoustic piano:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9uGG5WKKbo

And the Rhodes in a straight jazz setting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHImk5NNiBg

(These are the early clips by KeyandSynthFreak to save anybody else time if they've seen it already)
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/19/09 07:57 AM

So, is anyone at Korg going to reveal the identity of KeyandSynthFreak so he can take a bow?

When I demo'd an M3, I thought the piano was fine for rock but not subtle enough for jazz. Both the grand piano demos on the SV-1 web site are quite aggressively bright.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/19/09 10:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
So, is anyone at Korg going to reveal the identity of KeyandSynthFreak so he can take a bow?


Andreas Gundlach - a mighty fine player from Germany.

Quote:
When I demo'd an M3, I thought the piano was fine for rock but not subtle enough for jazz. Both the grand piano demos on the SV-1 web site are quite aggressively bright.


I'm thinking of the last few comments regarding rock versus jazz etc.

I'm a jazz player for sure.

You can't compare these pianos to the M3/M50, or previous Korg products. I'm not dissing my own "kids" but these are new sources/creations. I find Piano 2 (the German Grand) to be my favorites for all-around solo/trio applications. It is not overly-bright and you do have EQ to mold the sound to your taste. The Piano1 (Japanese Grand) may be too bright for some tastes in jazz, but just consider (let's say) Chick Corea's taste and touch versus Keith Jarrett's. Who's to say what is the "right" timbre or brightness? It's personal taste.

I think the most critical issue regardless of that taste issue is range of dynamics, and for jazz I need much more "room to move" in the lower dynamics and good velocity curve to control those dynamics smoothly before the sound gets too strong/aggressive/bright. And that is best judged by playing a keyboard for yourself, and making sure to try out the various velocity curves to see which one matches your touch/playing style.

So you'll need to do that for yourself when the product hits the stores. Sorry to throw gas on the GAS.

:-)

Regards,

Jerry

P.S. For the tine EP you may find (as I do) that Variation 3 works the best for straight-ahead jazz - it's a bit less aggressive - on purpose.

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/19/09 10:52 AM

Interesting stuff Jerry. And bravo Andreas!
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/19/09 10:09 PM

The single note right hand lines played on the piano sound "plinky" to me, like they don't have much tone sustaining behind each note. They remind me of how a good piano sounds with bad hammers, the tone almost vanishes after the initial strike and there is a lack of resonance.

The Rhodes sounds jumpy like it jumps into a percusive "splanky" sounding hard strikes at the slightest touch. I think they might both be miscast in an straight ahead acoustic jazz combo, like with a Jim Hall sounding jazz guitar, an acoustic bass, and drums. They might not be fat enough, and instead be too snappy sounding, too percusive,,, too synthetic ? They do exhibit very good presensce and clarity which could make my suspicions wrong.
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/20/09 11:15 AM

So does this unit have the same piano action as the M50-88?
Or is it new also?
Posted By: RichF

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/21/09 09:13 AM

It is the same physical weighted keybed as the M50-88 (RH3), only now you can get it in a 73-key size as well.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/21/09 05:35 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek


I think the most critical issue regardless of that taste issue is range of dynamics, and for jazz I need much more "room to move" in the lower dynamics and good velocity curve to control those dynamics smoothly before the sound gets too strong/aggressive/bright. And that is best judged by playing a keyboard for yourself, and making sure to try out the various velocity curves to see which one matches your touch/playing style.



Jerry

Korg Guy





I agree with that.
I also need the notes to sustain a little and not drop off instantly after the initial hammer strike.
Posted By: leavity

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/21/09 11:39 PM

How does the acoustic piano sounds and action feel of the sv1 compare to/with that of the kawai es6?
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 01:18 AM

Dude, how's anyone supposed to answer that question intelligently? Release date isn't until November.
Posted By: lowerhodes

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 01:32 AM

The Musician's Friend website has availability at 10-16-09.
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 01:52 AM

my bad. October, not November release. Point is simply that none of us have played the Korg in person yet.
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 01:58 AM

Originally Posted By: timwat
my bad. October, not November release. Point is simply that none of us have played the Korg in person yet.


I notice that hasn't stopped anyone from criticizing its tone yet! rolleyesdeadhorse
Posted By: lowerhodes

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 03:23 AM

Tim : My intent was not to correct you but purely informational. I'm not not going to bet my house of the MF date, anyway. smile
Posted By: Analogaddict

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 03:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+

I also need the notes to sustain a little and not drop off instantly after the initial hammer strike.


Same here... This has always been my gripe with Korg keyboard samples; too little decay and sustain. I listened to the Rhodes demo, and while the basic tone is great, the notes fade out very quickly. It'll still work well for percussive playing, but laying out soft Rhodes chords can be a pain in the rear if the sound won't sustain like a real Rhodes... frown The new Yamaha is too big and too expensive, the new Korg doesn't nail the sounds it sets out to copy and there is no new Roland. Hmm...
Posted By: Ed Stanley

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 03:45 AM

Jook - I'll handle this.

Attention Analog Addict and Jazz+ : Keep your irrelevant posts out of here!
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 05:00 AM

Originally Posted By: timwat
my bad. October, not November release. Point is simply that none of us have played the Korg in person yet.


We have a guy from Korg here, he played it in person.


Now, asking a korg guy about how his keyboard compares to another brand is a bit....well, you get the point.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 08:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Analogaddict
Originally Posted By: Jazz+

I also need the notes to sustain a little and not drop off instantly after the initial hammer strike.


Same here... This has always been my gripe with Korg keyboard samples; too little decay and sustain. I listened to the Rhodes demo, and while the basic tone is great, the notes fade out very quickly. It'll still work well for percussive playing, but laying out soft Rhodes chords can be a pain in the rear if the sound won't sustain like a real Rhodes... frown


I agree ! The 1st time I listened to these ghost-keyboard demos on youtube, the basic sound of the Rhodes reminded me on the over-percussive and bright "Dyno-type" sounds of my Korg SG Rack as well the other Rhodes sounds, all introducing fast decay. I also assumed there are some samples of the old Korg sample content in the SV-1, but processed by a overall better sound-engine and FX now.

In fact, if I listened to demos of acoustic-, electric piano libraries in software or hardware ever, I rarely listened to players demonstrating long sustained notes and/or chords in different key-regions, but excellent and busy playing of great and well known pieces of music and in most cases this was solo playing, not playing in a band context.

To be fair, the rating of acoustic and electric piano sounds is some kind of a personnel review and matter of taste always.
A good example is Brian Auger, who used to play a Korg SG ProX on top of his B3 for decades. It characterised his sound piano wise, and when I saw him play a Korg M3 for the 1st time in a concert and after I listened to him playing live for decades, I was disappointed because it changed his individual sound obviously.
I wont be surprised, if he comes w/ a SV-1 now in beginning of october and when hes performing in my hometown.

Originally Posted By: Analogaddict

The new Yamaha is too big and too expensive, the new Korg doesn't nail the sounds it sets out to copy and there is no new Roland. Hmm...


I wouldnt say "it doesnt nail the sounds". I does IMO,- but the usability depends on the tweakability of the sounds.
My experience is, I can get all the percussive and bright Rhodes sounds from almost every top (workstation-) keyboard on the market,- but not the mellow and soft ones like these I know from Richard Tee p.ex. or Herbies early sounds on records like "Crossings: The Sleeping Giant" or the early Head Hunters (Chamaeleon p.ex.).

Personally, I like to tweak sounds of instruments to my taste and the way, these fit into my soundpalette I already have w/ all my existing keys and modules, not to play factory presets.

Maybe to anyones surprise, up to now and for live preformance, my prefered combo for pianos is my Roland Rhodes MK80 and the Korg SG-Rack which both and in a combo work well in a band context w/ patches personally tweaked.
This doesnt work for solo piano, classical stuff or acoustic jazz, but it works w/ rock, pop and fusion.

For recording, nothing beats software/sampling today IMO and one of the most surprising modelling e-pianos in software is GSi Mr.Ray mk II,- especially for the price and only for the Rhodes.

I think, the SV-1 is a interesting instrument and maybe also for me, if its tweakability allows me to ajust the sounds to my taste, what I only will experience if I have one in my hands for a week and in context of my already existing gear.

A.C.
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 08:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Pale
...well, you get the point.


YES ! :-)

A.C.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 10:06 AM

Originally Posted By: timwat
my bad. October, not November release. Point is simply that none of us have played the Korg in person yet.


In-stores/shipping is more likely to be the very end of October/early November. We'll talk to MF to revise their expected date, which slipped a week or two since we first told them. So it's not their fault...

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 10:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Pale
Originally Posted By: timwat
my bad. October, not November release. Point is simply that none of us have played the Korg in person yet.


We have a guy from Korg here, he played it in person.


Now, asking a korg guy about how his keyboard compares to another brand is a bit....well, you get the point.


Exactly. We're not going to make personal evaluations of our product versus another - that's not "proper" for us to do. That sort of personal judgment is for you folks to make and discuss... which we KNOW you will!

:-)

regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy

P.S. For anyone in the NY area, we will bring the SV to the upcoming AES Show - so come by play it and be sure to introduce yourself/talk to us.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 01:03 PM

Quote:
by Jerrythek:

We're not going to make personal evaluations of our product versus another - that's not "proper" for us to do.


I agree, that would be inappropriate. Manufacturers are "friendly competitors". They keep trying to out do the other without running the competition into the ground (verbally). We can all decide for ourselves which instrument is the best for our needs and wallet.


Mike T.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 01:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Analogaddict
Originally Posted By: Jazz+

I also need the notes to sustain a little and not drop off instantly after the initial hammer strike.


Same here... This has always been my gripe with Korg keyboard samples; too little decay and sustain. I listened to the Rhodes demo, and while the basic tone is great, the notes fade out very quickly. It'll still work well for percussive playing, but laying out soft Rhodes chords can be a pain in the rear if the sound won't sustain like a real Rhodes... frown The new Yamaha is too big and too expensive, the new Korg doesn't nail the sounds it sets out to copy and there is no new Roland. Hmm...


I re-listened to the Rhodes demo files at the Korg site and don't know how you can come to the conclusion there is no sustain. With the phaser and tremolo demos there are plenty of sustained chords and they seem to fade off just right.

I don't like to make judgements based on YouTube videos because a) you don't know if the recording was done off the camera mics or a direct feed and b) YouTube videos are usually seriously compressed.

To my ear, based on the demos, the SV-1 has the most detailed and tonally expressive Rhodes I've heard out of digital hardware. I think it completely embarrasses a lot of what's out there.

Busch.
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 02:05 PM

For me, the web demos do exactly what they are intended to do - no more, no less.

They have convinced me I need to demo this unit live and in person, and that it holds great promise to be a great addition to the family.

They haven't convinced me it's the best thing since sliced bread, nor a mediocre also-ran in the big sandbox of digital pianos. Only a live demo will convince me of that either way.

So I'm prepared to be sorely disappointed or ecstatically surprised, or more likely somewhere in between. But I gotta try one when they hit the Bay Area.
Posted By: Roger Hooper

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 02:20 PM

I'm going to AES; Jerry, looking forward to seeing you and playing this keyboard!
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 03:47 PM

I was noticing a quick drop off in the notes of the acoustic piano after the initial hammer strike, not the Rhodes.
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Roger Hooper
I'm going to AES; Jerry, looking forward to seeing you and playing this keyboard!

I'll be there as well on Monday the 12th. Looking forward to trying it out and hope to meet the Korg crew.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: timwat
They haven't convinced me it's the best thing since sliced bread, nor a mediocre also-ran in the big sandbox of digital pianos. Only a live demo will convince me of that either way.


Probably the most sensible comment I've read on his thread!
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 06:30 PM

Except for that sliced bread was a very bad invention overall. :-)

Nevertheless, I catch myself uttering that same statement, even though I disagree with sliced bread as being something good.

It's funny how quickly the G.A.S. went out of the room, but now that the shipping date is imminent, people seem interested again.

I'm guessing in the SF Bay Area, probably only Guitar Centre in San Francisco is likely to carry this... at least initially.
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 07:40 PM

Really, Mark? You don't think Bananas, Gelb or Leo's will have a unit on the floor? I have no inside info with any of the local retailers. But Bananas in San Rafael usually has a wider selection than the stores closer to you and me.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/22/09 08:18 PM

Leo's might, as they were the first to push OASYS and have clinics, but they don't tend to carry full lines of any keyboard manufacturers due to space issues. Nevertheless, due to their clientele and the SV-1's intended audience, they might decide to prioritise it.

The other two are not reachable by public transport so I don't go to them anymore. I barely even drive to work anymore. Leo's is on the way to work. I'll ask them tomorrow if they plan to carry the SV-1, as I have to stop in anyway to pick up or order some in-line attenuators for my octal mic pre-amp since it doesn't have pads and the drummer I'm recording is LOUD.
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/23/09 11:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
It's funny how quickly the G.A.S. went out of the room, but now that the shipping date is imminent, people seem interested again.


It did? The GAS went out of the room? For whom?
Posted By: Floyd Tatum

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/23/09 03:32 PM

Originally Posted By: tonysounds
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
It's funny how quickly the G.A.S. went out of the room, but now that the shipping date is imminent, people seem interested again.

It did? The GAS went out of the room? For whom?


Hey, 80s-LZ, you should get one of these SV-1's. Apparently it makes gas go out of a room. grin

Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/23/09 03:45 PM

Originally Posted By: floyd tatum
Originally Posted By: tonysounds
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
It's funny how quickly the G.A.S. went out of the room, but now that the shipping date is imminent, people seem interested again.

It did? The GAS went out of the room? For whom?


Hey, 80s-LZ, you should get one of these SV-1's. Apparently it makes gas go out of a room. grin



thu
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/24/09 01:24 AM

Oh, the gas went out of the room during the weekend. I guess most people primarily blog from work. :-)
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/25/09 10:36 AM

Originally Posted By: tonysounds
The GAS went out of the room? For whom?


Ive seen the SV-1 73 for the 1st time in german television last nite. Live band, live show,- some other keys incl. a B3 in addition.
Sounded good and looked good in a band context,- only Wurli and Rhodes stuff, slightly overdriven, no MIDI wired.
The player had much fun and seemed to be satisfied w/ the action...
It was on a separate stand in L-configuration of the rig.
The stand looked good, attractive and somewhat like the legs of a Rhodes.
No simultaneously playing of B3 and SV-1 unfortunally.

A.C.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/25/09 11:00 AM

Wow - someone's got that one early!
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/25/09 11:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
Wow - someone's got that one early!


Endorsed for sure. Well known german television show,- same band since years,- well known keyboard player and user of vintage instruments since decades.
Click on the "Nightwater" tab to watch his original instruments,- Rhodes, Wurlitzer, Oberheim, Moog etc..
http://www.zerlett.de/en/main.html

A.C.
Posted By: lowerhodes

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/25/09 11:11 PM

Originally Posted By: RedKey
I've seen that the summing mono out is only on the 1/4" outputs. The XLR outs do not sum if one output is used.

A: Can both sets of outputs be used simultaneously?
B: Could I use the XLR's in stereo for monitors and still use the mono 1/4" out to a DI to the FOH?
C: Are the stereo inputs summed to mono when using the mono 1/4" output.


Great question. Does anyone know the answer? Also, maybe I'm just a little dense but someone opined that it would not be possible to put a second board on top of the SV-1. Why not? It seems like it depends on what kind of stand you have, no?
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/26/09 03:50 AM

I think they were hoping for a flat top a la CP300 so you wouldn't need a second tier.
Posted By: lowerhodes

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/26/09 04:22 AM

Duh.

Of course. I guess because I wouldnt do that I assumed no one would. smile
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/26/09 01:28 PM

Originally Posted By: lowerhodes
Originally Posted By: RedKey
I've seen that the summing mono out is only on the 1/4" outputs. The XLR outs do not sum if one output is used.

A: Can both sets of outputs be used simultaneously?
B: Could I use the XLR's in stereo for monitors and still use the mono 1/4" out to a DI to the FOH?
C: Are the stereo inputs summed to mono when using the mono 1/4" output.


Great question. Does anyone know the answer? Also, maybe I'm just a little dense but someone opined that it would not be possible to put a second board on top of the SV-1. Why not? It seems like it depends on what kind of stand you have, no?


According to the manual:

These are analog output jacks, available either in 1/4 unbalanced jacks, or XLR balanced jacks. Either use the unbalanced 1/4 jacks for shorter run, or the XLR balanced jacks for longer runs, like when playing on stage. In any case, they are perfect replica the one of the other.

If you need mono output, connect only the L/MONO 1/4 jack. XLR jacks cannot be used for mono output.

HINT: XLR balanced outputs are always cleaner and louder, so they are recommended whenever possible.

Busch.
Posted By: MoodyBluesKeys

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/26/09 02:06 PM

Busch,
What is in the manual is quite logical. A pair of 1/4" unbalanced jacks can be purchased in a configuration that will send the signal from one to the other if nothing is plugged into that jack.

XLR connectors do not have the same type of connections. However, a design decision COULD be made to put a Mono Summing Switch on the unit that would sum the signals to either (or both) of the XLR connectors.

If I wanted to use one of these with XLR for mono summing, I would build up a small passive mixing circuit that would have two XLR connectors for inputs, several resistors for the mixer, and a single XLR connector for output. Or (more likely) I would just run the whole thing into one of my little Tapco mini-mixers. The smallest one is usually carried to every gig inside one of the EON10 bags just to deal with any situation where I need a DI, auxiliary feed, microphone, or two keys into one path.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/26/09 03:59 PM

Originally Posted By: the manual
If you need mono output, connect only the L/MONO 1/4 jack. XLR jacks cannot be used for mono output.
That, quite frankly, is stupid
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/26/09 05:02 PM

Originally Posted By: kanker.
Originally Posted By: the manual
If you need mono output, connect only the L/MONO 1/4 jack. XLR jacks cannot be used for mono output.
That, quite frankly, is stupid


Well, it's physical reality, isn't it? A 1/4" jack can be made with a switching lug that sends the signal to the summing circuit when no plug is inserted.

XLR jacks cannot do that, as they have no physical mechanism to detect when something is plugged into the output. As was stated above, you would need to add a summing switch.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/26/09 05:37 PM

Originally Posted By: mate_stubb
Originally Posted By: kanker.
Originally Posted By: the manual
If you need mono output, connect only the L/MONO 1/4 jack. XLR jacks cannot be used for mono output.
That, quite frankly, is stupid


Well, it's physical reality, isn't it? A 1/4" jack can be made with a switching lug that sends the signal to the summing circuit when no plug is inserted.

XLR jacks cannot do that, as they have no physical mechanism to detect when something is plugged into the output. As was stated above, you would need to add a summing switch.
But it's possible either in hardware, or in software routing. Forcing stereo to use the balanced outs is just stupid. Yeah, I know I may be a little different on this, but I'm sick of manufacturers trying to shove stereo down my throat. I've said it before, it's impractical live at best. I know most folks disagree with me, but I've played too many festivals and clubs where the other keyboard players were running stereo and sounded like crap because the mains were mono (as they should be). I can't wait to get on a festival where someone is using the balanced outs on the SV-1 sending their stereo piano sound to the mono mains - great advertising when the end result sounds like crap. It's worth the minor investment in adding a switch to bulletproof the sound of your product.
Posted By: MoodyBluesKeys

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/26/09 07:14 PM

One economical way to provide summed mono AND a balanced output is used by recent Kurzweils - the Left Channel 1/4" TRS jack will feed a MONO signal if nothing is plugged into the right channel jack. If XLR connectors are desired, TRS to XLR cables are easily purchased for a reasonable cost - I use a lot of them, because I can then use XLR mic cables for whatever length run I need for the particular venue.

In a studio environment, the XLR connectors are much preferred in general, because they tend to work better when something is plugged in, then left for months or years without being unplugged; whereas the 1/4" phone plug and jack - the jack springs will loosen up after being plugged in for prolonged periods.

Kevin - Unfortunately, the fact that it would cost $1.50 in parts, require three additional holes in the panel for the switch, and take up room needed for the latest "whizz-bang" (like all the crap made with a tube showing from the outside) keeps most companies from adding the mono mixing switch. I happen to agree that said switch SHOULD be present on a pro level keyboard, however my power to enforce that belief on the manufacturers approaches zero. Just becasue I serviced electronic musical instruments for 35 years and worked in audio engineering commercially for another 10 does not mean that most of the companies ever listened to anything I ever said.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/26/09 07:41 PM

Originally Posted By: MoodyBluesKeys
however my power to enforce that belief on the manufacturers approaches zero.
We need to do something about that wink
Posted By: RichF

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 09/28/09 04:16 PM

Originally Posted By: RedKey
Bump
Originally Posted By: RedKey
I've seen that the summing mono out is only on the 1/4" outputs. The XLR outs do not sum if one output is used.

A: Can both sets of outputs be used simultaneously?
B: Could I use the XLR's in stereo for monitors and still use the mono 1/4" out to a DI to the FOH?
C: Are the stereo inputs summed to mono when using the mono 1/4" output.

This would be a fantastic setup. 2nd board patched into the SV-1 in stereo. Both boards in stereo for monitors using the XLR outs. Choice of Stereo or Summed Mono to the FOH using the 1/4" outs depending on FOH being Mono or Stereo.


Sorry for the late reply:

A: Yes (headphones too).
B: Yes, as long as you're OK with hearing stereo in the monitors, but only sending mono to the FOH.
C: Yes- only the 1/4" L/MONO output (not the left XLR output) will sum to mono.


EDIT: I now see the four or five posts above this one... sorry I'm late to this party. smile
Posted By: Ed Stanley

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/02/09 03:46 AM

It appears that, unless they are calling it something else, that the SV-1 does not include an auto-panning effect. Not a deal breaker but it is somewhat essential for the complete Rhodes experience. Am I missing something?
Posted By: funkphingerz88

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/02/09 05:15 AM

I wholeheartedly agree that stereo is a waste of space on gigs. Only a small part of any audience thats exactly central will really benefit and once you start using stereo panning and other stereo effects it just gets lost or sounds strange. What may sound great in stereo on stage(not that it ever has done to me unless im wearing in ear monitors) is wasted on the audience. The number of sound engineers on gigs that think im strange cause of it makes me laugh, theyre clueless! Mono is punchier, more focused and just works better in a live context. Now stereo for recordings is great, (providing it is mono compatible stereo and things dont start collapsing when mono'd) and for that you need to use XY/blumlein techniques for stereo micing that preserve the mono compatibility for mono systems...
Posted By: RichF

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/02/09 12:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Ed Stanley
It appears that, unless they are calling it something else, that the SV-1 does not include an auto-panning effect. Not a deal breaker but it is somewhat essential for the complete Rhodes experience. Am I missing something?


Auto-panning is inherent in the Tremolo effect, and it's designed to simulate that famous suitcase experience. smile
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/02/09 01:07 PM

Rich, just out of interest, can you clarify what colour the 88-note model is? On the early pix I saw it looked plain brown, on later shots it appears to be more of a metallic-looking bronze and in Sound On Sound it could even be a dark burgundy.
Posted By: RichF

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/02/09 01:20 PM

Well, the body is black, and the end caps usually get described as having a "copper" or "root beer" color- a dark red/brown mix.

Personally, I submitted "lavender-burgundy-rustberry," but it didn't make the cut. grin
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/02/09 01:31 PM

thu

That's what I figured. Much better than plain brown!
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/02/09 01:39 PM

What about the 73? In some photos it's red, in others it's "copper."
Posted By: RichF

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/02/09 01:51 PM

With the exception of black end caps, the 73 is definitely red.

Or, if you prefer, "crimson fire-apple scarletastic."
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/02/09 06:15 PM

I think I prefer your color names Rich thu

In spite of any negatives I've posted in this thread, I'm still real stoked to check this thing out. It definitely has an appeal...
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/07/09 03:49 PM

My print copy of Sound-On-Sound finally arrived yesterday, and I read their SV-1 review on BART today.

A wonderfully informative review, with lots of knowledge gained about the instruments being sampled. This is one of the things I love about SOS, is the breadth and depth of knowledge their reviewers bring to the table.

It was a balanced review, and realistic in its assessment of the criteria that would go into a buying decision for most of us.

I think, for me, the lack of splits, layers, and multi-timbrality, mean this would probably slot in at the 73-key size vs. the 88-key size -- depending on street price differentials, and how well I like the acoustic piano (vs. Kurzweil PC3X, which I would be buying as a master keyboard, bread & butter workstation, and to a lesser degree acoustic piano as I will still prefer Pianoteq in the studio).

In spite of the caveats, which for all we know are addressable in a firmware update, I am more curious than ever to try this beast out. As the reviewer states, these are the most accurate digital hardware renditions yet, of the classic keyboards.

Unsurprisingly, the reviewer felt its closest competition would be the defunct GEM Promega, and having owned various GEM gear over the years, I would concur, as it is trying to specialise in similar sounds at the same level of depth and realism, with similar handicapping of the master keyboard sort of functions that would make it more of an all-rounder or main gig keyboard for people who have to cover a lot of additional sounds.

But I think Korg was smart to limit it in this way, as it makes a clear statement as to its purpose, and thus less likely that it will start getting negative press, potentially hurting its sales, due to be judged on the merits of its workstation or bread-and-butter all-rounder capabilities.

In a similar vein, Roland's VP-series (I forget the latest model's number), seems to deliberately cripple its ability to go beyond being a board "just" for vocoding, harmonising, Gospel choirs, synth brass, and synth strings (a common grouping for several contexts and genres, but not "complete" for Pop music).
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/07/09 07:32 PM

Agreed, Mark. On that side note, I played a VP-770 and a V-Synth GT side-by-side at Bananas San Rafael recently. The VP makes a compelling case for a quick, intuitive-UI solution for essentially ONE problem. I liked the sound, thought it would really sound nice and unique in a live group setting, and could easily and quickly come up with some cool composite sounds. But it just costs too much for what it does, at least for mere mortals. For that matter, the V-Synth GT, for all that it does, is also priced pretty steeply, at least for my ducats.

The 73-key version of the SV, on the other hand, seems to be priced right in the hunt for what it offers, live demo notwithstanding.
Posted By: DanS

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/07/09 07:47 PM

Originally Posted By: RichF
With the exception of black end caps, the 73 is definitely red.

Or, if you prefer, "crimson fire-apple scarletastic."


thu
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/07/09 08:37 PM

Tim, my thoughts exactly. I have always felt Roland gear is overpriced. I try not to rag on the company, even though I've ALWAYS hated their ROMpler based stuff and USUALLY dislike their digital pianos (except recent ones). I've owned Roland gear over the years. I just feel they are unique amongst the major vendors in charging a premium on everything they do. I don't understand it, as my perception is that they aren't the market leader they were for so many years.

So, it's good to know the VP-770 is in stock at Bananas. I'm almost afraid to try it, as I know I'll like it. But I can't imagine why it has such a high asking price!

The Korg is correctly priced for what it does. I've had a lot of unexpected expenses this year due to health and how many ways insurance companies have found to not pay for anything anymore, but I am fairly certain I will want to add the 73-key version of the SV-1 to my stage setup.

I probably still need to prioritise the PC3x ahead of that though. But it changes that equation slightly too -- possibly. Probably I still need the 88-key version of the PC3x, simply because it really does act as a full-featured master keyboard. I really don't have much doubt in my mind on this issue, but would like to try an SV-1 first, just in case I end up deciding I want that for my weighted action and can live with semi-weighted action on a 73-key PC3.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/07/09 08:50 PM

Mark, maybe you could go with a PC3LE + SV-1 combo?

Also, tell me again why you sold the RP-X? Did you edit the piano sounds via the (PC-only rolleyes ) editor at all? I listened to a few demos on YouTube recently that were much more impressive than the demos on GEM's site (which, admittedly, are terrible). Apparently the person who posted them had customized the sounds.
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/07/09 08:56 PM

??? I just don't get what you're saying. I understand if you don't like Roland sounds or gear, but how are they any MORE overpriced than anyone else? Their stuff is built like a tank (the cheapo June D stuff aside, although its built appropriately for the price), and they're no more guilty of recycling than Korg or Yamaha.
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/07/09 09:01 PM

Well then, lets just say all of the keyboards are overpriced..I went out n tried casio's and Rolands yesterday..The casio's are fairly priced, but thats what they are worth..now the RD series, especially the 700 is a nice board...but when I saw the price, saw what it has to offer over the older 700 I had..totally turned me off...nice action though, although I swear it is lighter to the touch than me old 700..
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/07/09 11:24 PM

Every piece of Roland gear is several hundred dollars more expensive than equivalent models from other vendors. This has been true for over twenty years.

As for the GEM RP-x, I decided to move away from rack gear, and don't want to go into it any further than that. I may or may not have gone into it in detail in this forum at the time. The RP-x was going to end up being a studio-only device, which made it useless to me as I prefer Pianoteq and Scarbee Vintage Keyboards.
Posted By: Nillerbabs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/08/09 03:37 AM

Mark, the choice of making it a studio-only device, was that purely because of moving away from rack gear, or did it have anything to do with the unit?
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/08/09 04:05 AM

I don't want to denigrate the unit or GEM, out of respect for Dave. Everyone has different needs. I'll just say that my motivation was similar to why I am trying to sell my Studiologic VMK188plus. More about flexibility than quality.

Having said that, I did find it worked well in a mix (in the studio), but had less luck with it in the band context. But I only tried it in one band, and due to the Windows-only editor, never got around to making my own patches.

I actually would have switched to the PRP700 had I liked the keybed better. But that was when other stuff started coming out whose keybeds I liked better. That's often the way the world goes. At the time GEM's keyboards came out (each generation), I still think they were the best on offer. It's only now that their reign is being challenged (from a quality point of view -- they were never on top, really, due to being a somewhat unknown brand).
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/08/09 10:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder

...the lack of splits, layers, and multi-timbrality...

In spite of the caveats, which for all we know are addressable in a firmware update...



I like the concept of this keyboard in general.
Normally, I play one piano type sound at a time,- but for me, its a big mistake, its not possible to have a 2nd synth-action keyboard controller on top to play the clav-sounds over midi while playing pianos on the internal keyboard.
So, dual timbrality would be a feature I wish,- but Im not sure if this could be done w/ a software/firmware update.
Who wants to play clav on a piano-type weighted keyboard and especially if the clav sounds good ?

A.C.
Posted By: DanS

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/08/09 10:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
Tim, my thoughts exactly. I have always felt Roland gear is overpriced. I try not to rag on the company, even though I've ALWAYS hated their ROMpler based stuff and USUALLY dislike their digital pianos (except recent ones). I've owned Roland gear over the years. I just feel they are unique amongst the major vendors in charging a premium on everything they do. I don't understand it, as my perception is that they aren't the market leader they were for so many years.


Really? Can you enlighten us with your thoughts on the price of Nord & Moog gear then?
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/08/09 11:12 AM

Yeah, I don't see that at all. Not now, not for the last 20 years.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/08/09 11:29 AM

Quote:
by timwat:

But it just costs too much for what it does, at least for mere mortals. For that matter, the V-Synth GT, for all that it does, is also priced pretty steeply, at least for my ducats.


"Costs too much for what it does" is a major hang up for me too. I had said that a few years ago about the Moog Voyager. After seeing and hearing one, I did re-think my statment, but ultimately, the second part of the sentence rings true "at least for mere mortals". There's a lot of great gear available today, but us por' folk have to look at what a piece of gear will add to the overall sound, and if I can justify the cost based on the contribution something new will make to my live show.

I also want to recoup the money I invest in new gear sometime down the road, and at my age it is getting to be more difficult to do that. It gets harder to move the equipment, and at age 62, the audience that I can play too is as old or older than me, and many of them don't go out much or not at all. When your target audience is home watching their grandchildren, it makes it more difficult to get a crowd. frown


Mike T.
Posted By: peterkadar

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/09/09 03:46 PM

Definitely looks promising. Can't wait to check it out and see how it compares to my Nord Stage Compact...
Posted By: mcgoo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/09/09 07:20 PM

Where they've got it right (I think / I hope) is that it only does a few things, but dies them well, and makes tweaking very easy & immediate. I don't need 100 pianos or rhodes, wurlys etc. I want 1 each that I can mess with a little.
Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/12/09 05:24 AM

I'm just a little late to this thread, but oh well!
I'm seriously considering this keyboard. It's got pretty much everything for me.
I'm not a guy who uses much synth/strings/etc. so what's there will probably be fine for me.
I've unfortunately never played a real organ or even drawbars before. It's true, and therefore, I don't really care about the lack of drawbars! What was in the demos sounded pretty good to me!
If the piano and EP sounds are as good as we've heard in the reviews, well I really can't complain.
I'm not really into the whole LCD/menus/buttons/complicated stuff. 'nuff said.
Musician's Friend has it listed for 2199.99. That's pretty good for me!
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/21/09 08:34 PM

Here's a new demo from an Australian retailer.

click
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/21/09 08:59 PM

Those organs are icky-licious. Ewww.
Posted By: mcgoo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/21/09 09:29 PM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Here's a new demo from an Australian retailer.

click


I started watching this & before it was done I turned it off. Nothing wrong with the video, but at this point I've read enough, & seen enough. I can't really evaluate any further until I get my greasy little paws on one.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/21/09 10:47 PM

Originally Posted By: mate_stubb
Those organs are icky-licious. Ewww.

I think the strings and synths are even worse.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/21/09 10:49 PM

Originally Posted By: mcgoo
I started watching this & before it was done I turned it off. Nothing wrong with the video, but at this point I've read enough, & seen enough. I can't really evaluate any further until I get my greasy little paws on one.

FWIW, having played the SV-1 at AES, I can say that this demo more accurately captures the acoustic piano sounds than the demos on Korg's web site.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/21/09 11:11 PM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Originally Posted By: mcgoo
I started watching this & before it was done I turned it off. Nothing wrong with the video, but at this point I've read enough, & seen enough. I can't really evaluate any further until I get my greasy little paws on one.

FWIW, having played the SV-1 at AES, I can say that this demo more accurately captures the acoustic piano sounds than the demos on Korg's web site.


Why would audio captured from a video camera mic more accurately capture the true sound than an audio taken directly from the outputs?

Busch.
Posted By: KeyMoe

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/21/09 11:34 PM



I agree. I stopped it about halfway.....
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/21/09 11:55 PM

Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Why would audio captured from a video camera mic more accurately capture the true sound than an audio taken directly from the outputs?

Busch.

I don't know, but I trust my ears. What I heard playing the SV-1's acoustic pianos using headphones sounded more like this YouTube demo than Korg's demos. As we all know, manufacturer's demos can be misleading.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 12:11 AM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Why would audio captured from a video camera mic more accurately capture the true sound than an audio taken directly from the outputs?

Busch.

I don't know, but I trust my ears. What I heard playing the SV-1's acoustic pianos using headphones sounded more like this YouTube demo than Korg's demos. As we all know, manufacturer's demos can be misleading.


Makes no sense to me. When I pull solo clips, in particular, from various manufacturers' demos and play them through my speakers they sound EXTREMELY close to what the instrument sounds like when I play it through the same speakers. I have tested this numerous times.

I played the Korg audio demos through my gigging speakers and my nearfields. I will be very surprised if I can't get that same sound when I demo the SV-1 in my environment.

Busch.
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 12:14 AM

The headphones and headphone amp at the Korg booth were of camcorder and YouTube quality. I had a far better experience once I plugged in my own pair. The pianos, EPs, clavs, and especially the CP70 were fantastic. The CP70 is of Prominy quality and even more playable to me. The rest.... well, the rest did nothing for me.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 12:55 AM

Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Makes no sense to me. When I pull solo clips, in particular, from various manufacturers' demos and play them through my speakers they sound EXTREMELY close to what the instrument sounds like when I play it through the same speakers. I have tested this numerous times.

Congratulations.

snax
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 12:58 AM

Originally Posted By: RedKey
The headphones and headphone amp at the Korg booth were of camcorder and YouTube quality. I had a far better experience once I plugged in my own pair. The pianos, EPs, clavs, and especially the CP70 were fantastic. The CP70 is of Prominy quality and even more playable to me. The rest.... well, the rest did nothing for me.

I used my own headphones, too.

+1 on the CP70. Of the sounds I auditioned, that was my favorite.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 12:12 PM

Quote:
by D-Bon:

Congratulations.

snax


Dana, from what I know of Busch, he knows what he's talking about. I don't know that being sarcastic is appropriate when posting about Busch.


Mike T.
Posted By: richwhite9

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 12:21 PM

Some of the demos suffer from factory presetitis.

The bark on the Australian Demo is impressive. It doesn't resemble any EP I've heard but it does have an incredible bark. I used to own a Rhodes and don't remember it making those noises.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 12:24 PM

What do people use a CP70 on? I can't imagine it ever being a priority. A Keane cover band maybe? I don't recall ever hearing "that was a great CP70 solo!"

Is it for simulating a piano sound used in rock bands that have roadies that carry a Yamaha electric grand but not the budget or space for real grand?
Posted By: DanL

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 12:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
What do people use a CP70 on? I can't imagine it ever being a priority. A Keane cover band maybe? I don't recall ever hearing "that was a great CP70 solo!"

Is it for simulating a piano sound used in rock bands that have roadies that carry a Yamaha electric grand but not the budget or space for real grand?


There are a lot of classic songs that use a CP70, so it's a pretty useful sound when you want to accurately replicate the original recording. So to answer your 2nd question, yes.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 12:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
What do people use a CP70 on? I can't imagine it ever being a priority. A Keane cover band maybe? I don't recall ever hearing "that was a great CP70 solo!"

Is it for simulating a piano sound used in rock bands that have roadies that carry a Yamaha electric grand but not the budget or space for real grand?
Yeah, I've never understood the "That's a great CP70 sample." A compromise of a bad compromise? No thanks...
Posted By: DanS

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 12:39 PM

If you like Genesis & Peter Gabriel, you like the CP70 sound.
It just is.
Posted By: wd8dky

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 12:41 PM

...or U2's "New Year's Day."
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 01:00 PM

deadhorse
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 01:05 PM

After leaving home, I bought a 2nd hand CP-70B and used it for years as my piano. I am very fond of that sound (and feel) just for having played it for so long. I've yet to hear a good sample of it other then Prominy & now the Korg SV-1. Neither have the feel of vibration under the fingers unfortunatly.

A Compromise of a bad compromise? The coffee I'm drinking fits that bill and I am enjoying it very much. Aside from my wife & kids, almost everything around me is a compromise of a bad compromise. And it respectfully comes down to taste. The CP-70 is very tasty to me.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 01:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
What do people use a CP70 on? I can't imagine it ever being a priority. A Keane cover band maybe? I don't recall ever hearing "that was a great CP70 solo!"

Kenny Kirkland, "Bring On The Night/When The World Is Running Down"
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 01:10 PM

Originally Posted By: RedKey
The headphones and headphone amp at the Korg booth were of camcorder and YouTube quality. I had a far better experience once I plugged in my own pair. The pianos, EPs, clavs, and especially the CP70 were fantastic. The CP70 is of Prominy quality and even more playable to me. The rest.... well, the rest did nothing for me.


I'm sorry that I missed meeting you at the booth... you too D-Bon.

Regarding the quality of the headphones, we borrowed Audio Technica's best-recommended headphones - I cannot believe that anyone would consider them Camcorder/You Tube quality!!

They're this model:

http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/headphones/0edf909675b1be4d/index.html

We used a decent headphone preamp to boost level a bit considering the noisy environment. So I'm surprised to see your reaction, but what can I say? Can't "argue" an opinion, can I?

We're finishing up some more audio demos, played by various artists live from the keyboard into our MR-1000 DSD recorder, then down converted. I'll be back to post a link to the cool performances shortly.

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 01:15 PM

Originally Posted By: kanker.
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
What do people use a CP70 on? I can't imagine it ever being a priority. A Keane cover band maybe? I don't recall ever hearing "that was a great CP70 solo!"

Is it for simulating a piano sound used in rock bands that have roadies that carry a Yamaha electric grand but not the budget or space for real grand?
Yeah, I've never understood the "That's a great CP70 sample." A compromise of a bad compromise? No thanks...


I or I should say the roadies and I schlepped one of those beasts around in '74-75. I didn't care much for it then but I guess it was an improvement over this, but not much-
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180409323814
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 01:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Originally Posted By: kanker.
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
What do people use a CP70 on? I can't imagine it ever being a priority. A Keane cover band maybe? I don't recall ever hearing "that was a great CP70 solo!"

Is it for simulating a piano sound used in rock bands that have roadies that carry a Yamaha electric grand but not the budget or space for real grand?
Yeah, I've never understood the "That's a great CP70 sample." A compromise of a bad compromise? No thanks...


I or I should say the roadies and I schlepped one of those beasts around in '74-75. I didn't care much for it then but I guess it was an improvement over this, but not much-
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180409323814


didn't come out until '76 or maybe '77. I believe Herbie was one of the first guys to use one on VSOP... also Patrice Rushen used one on her LP "Shout It Out"... I guess they had one at Fantasy studio...
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 01:27 PM

CP70 is on many classic jazz funk records... and a lot of latin fusion records.. it makes a whole lot of sense in that context...
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 01:30 PM

Sorry, but count me in as another vote for loving the CP70/CP80. Yes it was a compromise, but so was the Hammond organ (that was a compromise of a pipe organ) and the Clavinet, and Rhodes and Wurli. Turns out the compromises took on a life of their own.

As mentioned, Genesis (Duke era), Peter Gabriel (his whole career, and he's still using it), and other proggers like Eddie Jobson made great use of it and made it part of their sound when they could have very easily used a real piano for RECORDING.

Granted, it's not for everyone, but don't pooh-pooh as worthless just because you don't like it. Tranny organs aren't for everyone either, but they inspire a certain love and adoration for the right listener and player.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 01:37 PM

Quote:
by jerrythek:

We used a decent headphone preamp to boost level a bit considering the noisy environment. So I'm surprised to see your reaction, but what can I say? Can't "argue" an opinion, can I?


Sure you can argue an opinion! After all, we can't let Harmony Central members take all the free shots!

Cheers,


Mike T.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: orangefunk
I believe Herbie was one of the first guys to use one on VSOP...

Yup! That album is off the hook. thu
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 02:38 PM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Originally Posted By: orangefunk
I believe Herbie was one of the first guys to use one on VSOP...

Yup! That album is off the hook. thu


I was at that concert - it was amazing... but long. By the time the funk band came out it was getting pretty late, but they still rocked/funked the house.

Talking about other CP players, don't forget George Duke and his 70's funk band. You can also see it in use by him on his Live In Japan DVD (circa 82).

Early Jeff Lorber Fusion featured it - I remember seeing him play one at a Bottom Line show around 78-79, I think.

Jerry
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 02:40 PM

Originally Posted By: MikeT156
Quote:
by jerrythek:

We used a decent headphone preamp to boost level a bit considering the noisy environment. So I'm surprised to see your reaction, but what can I say? Can't "argue" an opinion, can I?


Sure you can argue an opinion! After all, we can't let Harmony Central members take all the free shots!

Cheers,


Mike T.


LOL - I love those threads... No, it does sound good - I won't quit until you agree with me!!!!

:-)

regards,

Jerry
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 03:10 PM

Originally Posted By: DanS
If you like Genesis & Peter Gabriel, you like the CP70 sound.
It just is.
No, not really. I like Genesis and Peter Gabriel, but I don't have to like the CP70. I have one, bought it when it was pretty much the only game for a portable piano. I've thought about selling it, but I wouldn't want to meet the person who'd take one. I'm trying to neglect it to the point that I HAVE to take it to the dump. They are, in a word, the most dreadful instruments ever made. Had Yamaha taken just one extra minute to bother about thinking about designing an instrument where a single note bass string would sound in tune with itself, then *maybe* I'd give its anemic tone a pass. Unfortunately...
Posted By: FunkKeysStuff

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 04:11 PM

Jerry Lee Lewis was still touring with a CP70 in the mid-90s. I was keenly aware of this because I opened for him once and got to (had to?) play it on a "solo piano" set nonetheless, which was, let's just say, interesting. Especially since it was going through a Fender guitar amp cranked to 11, sitting about 2 feet from the piano bench and pointed directly at my head.

Basically the only thing that keeps me from agreeing completely with kanker's "most dreadful instrument ever made" assessment, is the way Kenny Kirkland was able to make it sound with Sting. (Then again, I'm such a Kirkland geek I even like what he did with the DX7 organ sound, so clearly my sense of objectivity and reason go out the window where he's concerned).
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 04:22 PM

Originally Posted By: kanker.
They are, in a word, the most dreadful instruments ever made.

Actually, that's several words, but who crapped on your cornflakes this morning?
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: kanker.
I've thought about selling it, but I wouldn't want to meet the person who'd take one.
ROTFLOL

That's some funny $#!^ right there.

If you really don't want it, why don't you give it away? I guess because you don't want to meet that guy either. Still, I'd let someone enjoy it.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 05:02 PM

The one thing we should probably consider is that we are judging the CP-70 by today's standards, not when it came out. I can tell you that back in those days, the other options were not anywhere near what we have today. You can play a house piano, a Rhodes, or a Wurlitzer E-Piano. At one point, I had a Lawrence Audio Acoustic/electric piano and it wasn't bad, but it didn't stay in tune anywhere near as well as the CP-70. The "B" model was an improvement over the original. I owned both.

Yep, we're spoiled rotten these days, aren't we?

Mike T.
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 05:14 PM

You also had the Helpinstill portable upright at that time.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 05:17 PM

Timwat:

Yep, you're right. I forgot about that!

Cheers,


Mike T.
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 05:21 PM

And Kawai's knockoff of the Helpinstill. The Helpinstill was only 73 or fewer keys, right?
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 05:23 PM

And the Baldwin Electropro (which I carried)
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 05:41 PM

Hey Mike:

Those weren't very high visibility back in the day, but I played the Helpinstill in a band back in the mid 80's. Not 88 keys, 73 sounds about right, built in pickup w/ 1/4" out, built into it's own road case with wheels. Folded up into one big slab, tuning it was never a treat. Loved that thing (belonged to our guitar player), only gripe was the front edge below keys was metal and sharp - cut up my hand doing a vigorous glissando trying to impress some gals in the front row.

Tim
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
we borrowed Audio Technica's best-recommended headphones - I cannot believe that anyone would consider them Camcorder/You Tube quality!!

We used a decent headphone preamp to boost level a bit considering the noisy environment. So I'm surprised to see your reaction, but what can I say? Can't "argue" an opinion, can I?
Regards,
Jerry
Korg Guy


I regret that exaggerated slam. My apologies to Jerry and all. The headphones were simply not my taste and not what I am used to listening through. They were by no means junk. That is why I always bring my own. Keeps my experience more consistent.

Back to the SV-1. It is fantastic. The feel of the keyboard worked very well for me. While trying to respect everyone's various opinions, the Piano's, EPs, & Clav's are among the best available in a digital keyboard. Personal opinion will determine better or worse than other top competitors. It is right up there. Back to the negative. IM(not so)HO, the organs are not as good compared to what else is available today.
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: FunkKeysStuff
Jerry Lee Lewis was still touring with a CP70 in the mid-90s. I was keenly aware of this because I opened for him once and got to (had to?) play it on a "solo piano" set nonetheless, which was, let's just say, interesting. Especially since it was going through a Fender guitar amp cranked to 11, sitting about 2 feet from the piano bench and pointed directly at my head.

Basically the only thing that keeps me from agreeing completely with kanker's "most dreadful instrument ever made" assessment, is the way Kenny Kirkland was able to make it sound with Sting. (Then again, I'm such a Kirkland geek I even like what he did with the DX7 organ sound, so clearly my sense of objectivity and reason go out the window where he's concerned).


When I opened for Jerry Lee Lewis the piano was real but the monitor was the same - a Fender Twin rocked back on it's tilt back legs going full blast straight into your left ear. It was deafening - as you would expect sticking your ear straight into an 85 watt tube guitar amp up to it's max. I didn't understand it but hey -

Kanker if you don't like your CP70 you ought to sell it - not junk it. They are fetching quite a premium these days.

I still use my CP80. It's permanently set up just off the living room. But it's mostly for convenience since I don't have a true acoustic piano. I can run sheet music or chord charts in there and immediately start playing without throwing a switch.

I keep it around mostly for emotional reasons. It meant a lot to me when I first got it. Sometimes you just don't let things like that go.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 10:31 PM

Originally Posted By: RedKey


I regret that exaggerated slam. My apologies to Jerry and all. The headphones were simply not my taste and not what I am used to listening through. They were by no means junk. That is why I always bring my own. Keeps my experience more consistent.


Now that's a horse of an entirely different color - thanks for clarifying!

Yeah - it's always good to use phones you're familiar with when possible - that makes perfect sense.

regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 11:12 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
I'm sorry that I missed meeting you at the booth... you too D-Bon.

Likewise Jerry. Hey, check your private messages; I sent you one.
Posted By: leavity

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/22/09 11:34 PM

On the e-piano 1 bank, what is "vpm" piano? Does "real experience" technology mean the graded piano action?
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 03:48 PM

I think vpm piano is phase modulation piano aka dx7/Withney Houston e.piano. Am I right?
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Pale
I think vpm piano is phase modulation piano aka dx7/Withney Houston e.piano. Am I right?


Yes, DX-7 style synthesis, called frequency modulation, or FM.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: leavity
On the e-piano 1 bank, what is "vpm" piano? Does "real experience" technology mean the graded piano action?


Real Experience is not about the graded action keyboard. It is about sampling and recreating all the small nuances, noises, and attributes of an instrument to deliver a more realistic, and 3-D experience when playing.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 04:29 PM

If I remember correctly, although it was named FM synthesis (frequency modulation), the yamaha actually used phase modulation in dx synths.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 04:34 PM

Please don't call it Whitney Houston piano.

The correct term is Chicago Power Ballad Till The End Of Time Piano.
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 04:37 PM

Let's call it what it really is: The David Foster _Hit Machine (or F'n DFsM).
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Pale
If I remember correctly, although it was named FM synthesis (frequency modulation), the yamaha actually used phase modulation in dx synths.


Correct, I could have said, "commonly called FM" to be more accurate. And speaking of accuracy, that's why we use the term Variable Phase Modulation. But most people wouldn't know that level of technology/synthesis history, so I was keeping it simple. Didn't mean to "dumb it down" for ya!

:-)

regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 05:08 PM

I'm an electrical engineer, specialized in RF (modulations, modulators, transmitters etc) and professional electronics (audio-video tech) , lol.

Tx for clarification though, you are right when you say most people don't have that level of tech knowledge.

Back on topic, if I understood correctly, it will be able to swap out sounds under condition that are it's already built in samples. Will it be possible to swap out the organs for something else (like more variations of a piano)? I would be interested in this, as I already have a separate board for organs, and I'm looking for a pure piano board (which sv-1 certainly could be).
Posted By: b3keys

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 05:15 PM

"The Greatest Love of All is Happening To MMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEE!"

Sorry, I couldn't resist. wink
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 06:23 PM

Lol... and Mate told me not to call it Whitney Piano grin
Posted By: drawback

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: mate_stubb
Please don't call it Whitney Houston piano.

The correct term is Chicago Power Ballad Till The End Of Time Piano.


Hilarious!!!!

Back to the CP70/80... I've always liked the action on those things, and when they're in tune, they're fun to play.
Posted By: MojoGuyPan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 09:59 PM

They need to ditch the CP70 sample and add a Bosendorfer or Fazoli. Face it, the CP70 stinks all around. It is just a poor man's piano. The cats talking about how the Rhodes and Wurly are like poor man's pianos too are only half right. Sure they took the place of playing non existent or non-functional acoustics but they have character to their sound. The CP70 just sounds like a bad piano.

Also I read the Sound on Sound review (yeah, I forked over the 149 pennies), I didn't know that their was Roland RD1000 sample in here and a Korg SD1 digital piano as well. Why is Korg putting this garbage in here? I thought the Jump synth was filler but samples of 20 year old digital pianos? WTF Korg?

I have a Casio calculator keyboard over here that they can sample. Seriously why waste time and space on that type of stuff? For the two low life scumbags in Motley Crue tribute bands that wants to play Home Sweet Home?

Peace,
D.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 10:10 PM

A CP-70 keytar - that would be just about right...
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/23/09 11:34 PM

Lots of hate for the CP sound in this thread.

I find it useful myself. Not by itself or dry, but either chorused or layered with a grand or upright for extra cutting rock and boogie pianos.

And the RD-1000/MKS-20 Piano 3 sound became a classic itself in the 80s. It served the same function as the CP sound, but without the out of tune bass partials.
Posted By: Bosendorphen

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/24/09 09:38 AM

Originally Posted By: MikeT156
The one thing we should probably consider is that we are judging the CP-70 by today's standards, not when it came out. I can tell you that back in those days, the other options were not anywhere near what we have today.


Indeed. I loved the sound so much back in the early 80s I emulated it with my Roland MP-600 electronic piano through an MXR chorus box. Now we are indeed spoiled and I'm glad I have some custom samples of the CP70 sound.
Posted By: Nordude

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/24/09 10:04 AM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
What do people use a CP70 on? I can't imagine it ever being a priority. A Keane cover band maybe? I don't recall ever hearing "that was a great CP70 solo!"

Kenny Kirkland, "Bring On The Night/When The World Is Running Down"


+100000000

The CP sound has this melancholic character, which were used by Tony Banks (Duke) and Peter Gabriel to make some great music. It deserves a place in those vintage keys synths like this Korg product, the Nord Electro/Stage, etc. And I think it has been a fairly good sounding substitute for a real piano for a long time. I'm never annoyed when it is used in that way in pop or jazz contexts.
IMHO of course.
Posted By: synthdogg

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/24/09 01:04 PM

Well, count me in the camp that loves the CP sound. If the SV-1 didn't have it included, I would be looking for a different "stage piano" solution.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/28/09 05:53 PM

There are two CP sounds: the acoustic sound and the direct sound. Most modern sample libraries only provide the direct sound, which isn't what most people here at gigs or on stage. This includes the expensive Prominy PCP-80 that I bought a couple of years ago.

Which sound did Korg add to the SV-1? The miked sound, direct sound, or a mixture/blend?

I do find the CP useful when covering 70's rock and some 80's rock, as that was what was in the originals and also has a bit more of a guitar sound (when direct-only) so often blends better on stage. It is a compressed sound that often works better than a ROMpler low-res compressed acoustic piano sound. But you really have to work with the EQ to tame it and get it to sit.
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/28/09 06:00 PM

Considering that Soft Rock songs are making a huge comeback, those CP70 samples have to be included in every digital stage piano. laugh cool
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/28/09 06:07 PM

Originally Posted By: marsalone
Face it, the CP70 stinks all around. It is just a poor man's piano. The cats talking about how the Rhodes and Wurly are like poor man's pianos too are only half right. Sure they took the place of playing non existent or non-functional acoustics but they have character to their sound. The CP70 just sounds like a bad piano.


Yeah. We're half right. And you're all wrong. I understand you and others don't like it. There's plenty of other folks that DO like it.
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/28/09 06:10 PM

Originally Posted By: tonysounds
Originally Posted By: marsalone
Face it, the CP70 stinks all around. It is just a poor man's piano. The cats talking about how the Rhodes and Wurly are like poor man's pianos too are only half right. Sure they took the place of playing non existent or non-functional acoustics but they have character to their sound. The CP70 just sounds like a bad piano.


Yeah. We're half right. And you're all wrong. I understand you and others don't like it. There's plenty of other folks that DO like it.

Yeah, I had a blast playing a CP70 just two weeks ago. Thanks Marky. wave thu

At this point, I wouldn't carry the real deal around but I'd certainly use a facsimile of it. cool
Posted By: kobalazs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 10/28/09 07:16 PM

Hi everyone,

I've just found this forum few hours ago and I have to say it's really impressive how much info you gathered about an instrument hasn't released yet. Thanks for that!

The SV-1 was introduced here in Budapest, Hungary a few weeks ago in a music industry trade show called Soundquest. I had the opportunity to try it myself there.

I had only a few minutes and the hall was noisy and loud, but I have to say I was impressed with the acoustic and electric piano sounds. The organ (as you mentioned before) wasn't so good, and I was very disappointed with the rotary speaker simulation. (Although I liked the percusson of the jazz organ preset.) I have no experience with synths so I can't judge there.

IMHO the killer feature of the SV-1 is the touch. I've never tried Korg's RH3 mechanics before but I loved it there! It's definetly not for organists but a great instrument for piano purists on stage. I can't wait to try it in more relaxed circumstances, and I'm pretty sure I'll buy one as soon as I can.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/29/09 06:28 AM

Originally Posted By: ProfD
[quote=tonysounds][Yeah, I had a blast playing a CP70 just two weeks ago. Thanks Marky. wave thu


CP-80 cool
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/29/09 12:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Originally Posted By: ProfD
[quote=tonysounds][Yeah, I had a blast playing a CP70 just two weeks ago. Thanks Marky. wave thu


CP-80 cool

GD, thanks for fixing that. Hopefully, those who saw the pics knew what I meant. laugh cool
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/29/09 03:04 PM

Originally Posted By: ProfD
Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Originally Posted By: ProfD
[quote=tonysounds][Yeah, I had a blast playing a CP70 just two weeks ago. Thanks Marky. wave thu


CP-80 cool

GD, thanks for fixing that. Hopefully, those who saw the pics knew what I meant. laugh cool
Yeah, 12 more keys to loathe laugh wink
Posted By: MojoGuyPan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/29/09 03:54 PM

Does anyone know if Korg has both the CP70 and the CP80 sampled in the upcoming SV-1? I'd like to have the option to play the CP patch with or without the extra octave of cheese.

Peace,
D
Posted By: Bill H.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/29/09 04:40 PM

The CP80 is more than just an extra octave of cheese. Of the notes that they share, the strings in a CP80 are longer than they are in a CP70. Although they are definitely in the same family, the 80 has a bit fuller sound and the notes are more apt to stay in tune because the extra string length gives it better stability.

And a CP80 doesn't snap strings nearly as easily.

That said, I've never heard a sampled keyboard really capture the sound of one of these beasts. The real deal sounds much better than any sampled CP I've come across. They really aren't all that bad and I admit a certain nostalgia to the signature sound of a vintage CP.
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/29/09 04:47 PM

I've not experienced Prominy, but the Stage Grand in the Roland SRX Ultimate Keys card is pretty smokin....but very anemic in terms of db output.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/29/09 09:41 PM

Interesting; the Prominy PCP-80 has very weak output as well. I suppose this is due to using the direct signal vs. miking it. After all, many early keyboards and synths had rather low output.
Posted By: MojoGuyPan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/30/09 01:19 AM

My oh my, such big love for the CP80 on this forum. I can take a hint. I'm going to have to head over to H-Central where my despise of the Yamaha Electric Grand will be appreciated.

But seriously I can't wait to check this board out. Maybe our man Kovacs can post up some more details after he plays it again.

Peace Out
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/30/09 10:06 AM

Hello folks:

While we're all waiting for the first shipment to arrive (we won't be in US dealers for another week or so), we've posted 12 new audio demos of "the maestro" himself, Greg Phillinganes playing the SV-1.

http://www.korg.com/sv1

We also shot video with him, and have some other guest artist demos/clips coming soon. But while we're editing all that footage we wanted to share these spontaneous performances of Greg checking out the sounds.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy

P.S. Sorry the CP playing will have to wait for the video!

:-)
Posted By: DanS

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/30/09 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: ProfD

Yeah, I had a blast playing a CP70 just two weeks ago. Thanks Marky. wave thu

At this point, I wouldn't carry the real deal around but I'd certainly use a facsimile of it. cool


The S70XS has a CP with chorus that's pretty nice. It's actually the best one I've heard from all the gear I've ever owned.
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/30/09 01:22 PM

I gotta say, none of these demos makes me feel like my Nord Stage is in jeopardy of being sent to the bench. I will still go and play one for myself, but the GAS isn't building.
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/05/09 11:49 AM

Just a bump to ask if anyone has one of these yet, and to see how they fit into a mix?
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/05/09 01:20 PM

Quote:
by Calumet:

I gotta say, none of these demos makes me feel like my Nord Stage is in jeopardy of being sent to the bench.


There are so many really good instruments on the market these days that when players buy a new instrument in a similar category of their existing instrument that isn't more than a few years old, you end up with duplication and less money in your wallet.

Mike T.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/05/09 01:51 PM

I'm really quite impressed with the sound on the Phillinganes demos, particularly Grand 2 - lots of wood and soundboard resonance in that bottom end, and damper off noise.
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/05/09 02:04 PM

Originally Posted By: MikeT156
Quote:
by Calumet:

I gotta say, none of these demos makes me feel like my Nord Stage is in jeopardy of being sent to the bench.


There are so many instruments in a similar category...you end up with duplication and less money in your wallet.

Mike T.

Quit stirring the pot. That is blasphemy around here. laugh

In my trek up to the music store a few days ago, I was hoping to run across the new SV-1. I'm curious to lay hands on it myself. Not in a GAS-y way at all. Maybe next time. cool
Posted By: Tonysounds

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/05/09 02:08 PM

They were supposed to be in stores a week or two ago (according to local store), but as of now, nobody here has them.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/05/09 02:27 PM

Quote:
by ProfD:

Quit stirring the pot. That is blasphemy around here.


Especially if brother ERIC reads this thread! I COULD be banned for life! grin

Cheers, all you gasaholics!


Mike T.
Posted By: lowerhodes

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/06/09 12:20 AM

I was talking to a sales guy at a local shop today who has been working there for decades and also gigs locally on keys and does some sessions. He said they will get an SV-1 in Tuesday to demo for customers and that he had played one a couple of days ago. His take, FWIW, was that the acoustic pianos were really good but that the EP's were no better than on an NE3. Of course, that's highly subjective but if true I was hoping for more. This guy knows I have an NE3 and that I am interested in the SV-1 so he had no motive to say that other than sharing his honest opinion. This won't stop me from trying it out for myself but thought I'd throw it out there.
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/06/09 12:27 AM

Interesting info. I DON'T have an NE3, so it's still a possible object of GAS. My Kawai's acoustic piano sits surprisingly well in a live mix, but the EPs are defeat the porpoise.
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/06/09 02:31 PM

Porpoise? Dontchu mean dolphin? Really, Ive been wanting to ask someone about the ep's on the kawai's..a salesman told me that the
ep's on this thing are the same as in my m50? Who to believe...
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/06/09 03:05 PM

I've never played a M50, all I can say is ep's in my MP4 are nothing to write home about. Don't cut through a mix well, no top end sparkle. Like a base layer in cycling. I'm told the eps in the MP5 and MP8 are different than the MP4. IIRC, the MP5 I played was a different and better animal than my MP4.
Posted By: Markyboard

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/06/09 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: MikeT156

Cheers, all you gasaholics
Mike T.


At first I read that as gasholes eek
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/06/09 08:40 PM

Tim, I found a dealership, going to try a few of those..cannot find this Korg..theyll be around soon enough..
Posted By: kobalazs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/09/09 09:33 AM

Just found a new video with the SV-1 used in a band rehersal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3CGN4rlw9A
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/09/09 11:44 AM

Nice video, too bad the keyboard is pretty quiet compared to bass and drums. I can't really evaluate the sound.
Posted By: funkphingerz88

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/09/09 01:29 PM

im making vids...hold out
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/10/09 04:17 PM

Quote:
by timat:

I've never played a M50, all I can say is ep's in my MP4 are nothing to write home about. Don't cut through a mix well, no top end sparkle.


Does your MP4 have any editing capability? Curious. I doubt that any KB can please everyone that tries it out of the box. Buying a KB you can't edit is like buying a Marshall Amp for guitar. It has ONE sound, it sounds like a Marshall.

Mike T.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/10/09 10:08 PM

I edit most or all of my sounds. Sometimes only in the context of a Performance vs. as an individually saved Voice (I'm using Yamaha terminology here). I can't imagine using the out-of-the-box sounds! They're designed to impress in a noisy music store.

So I reiterate Mike T.'s question. Can the MP4 not be tweaked?

My understanding is that the SV-1 is eminently tweakable. I wish Roland had made this same choice with their VP-series keyboards, which are hugely overpriced for being preset-only (though the new model apparently adds some user control and save/restore).
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/09 03:35 AM

The MP4 allows tweaking of effects and a fairly usable 4-band EQ. Aside from that, it's really a preset digital piano. I wouldn't have considered it as a new purchase, it was on eBay for a few hundred dollars, weighs half of my K2600XS, and I needed something to gig immediately at the time.

With a decent action and a good acoustic piano sound, I've more than recouped the investment, which I can't say for every other piece of gear I've bought. What makes the EP difference painfully obvious is being able to A/B it with EVP88 in Logic.

That's also what makes the SV-1 attractive to me. Mike's correct, isn't a single board that does everything satisfactorily for everyone - or we'd all own the same board. Somewhere there's a cruel boardroom conspiracy to slice up the one magic machine into itty bitty slices and dole them out in mutually exclusive portions.
Posted By: Flexby

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/09 06:03 AM

Demo:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTI2NDc4NzI4.html

(video loads very slow though...)

Posted By: leavity

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/09 02:35 PM

Does the SV1 have the same soundset as the M3/M50?
Posted By: Fusker

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/09 02:38 PM

So, any verdicts??
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/09 03:18 PM

Originally Posted By: leavity
Does the SV1 have the same soundset as the M3/M50?


No.

As Jerry from Korg posted earlier:

"The acoustic pianos, most of the main electric pianos, 1 of the clavs, all the real vintage stuff (including new tape strings) and all of the organs are new. So the majority of the instrument is new."

Busch.
Posted By: Keys to the Hwy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/09 05:35 PM

I currently have one on order from Sweetwater. Looks like it will ship anytime between this week and next March. LOL...
Can't wait.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/09 06:08 PM

Tim, that's an amazing deal you scored on your MP4. I'd certainly buy one for that price as well. :-)

I still haven't secured a pass for NAMM (though I bought my air tickets last month), but it's really some of the more boutique stuff that won't up in stores (such as Roland's latest digital harpsichord, and the Eigenharp), that has me interested (also seeing anything new from Kurzweil).

I imagine the SV-1 will show up in stores shortly, along with the Wavedrum. I can't imagine either would be too "exclusive" to be a common item at local pro audio stores or even GC.
Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/09 08:42 PM

The only place near me that sells keyboards has one ordered. The 88-key will be going for 2400$ CAN.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/09 09:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Keys to the Hwy
I currently have one on order from Sweetwater. Looks like it will ship anytime between this week and next March. LOL...
Can't wait.


Sweetwater has the 88-key in stock. Did you order the 73?

I've got a 73 on order from a local dealer.

Busch.
Posted By: Keys to the Hwy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/12/09 01:30 AM

73, I never have enough stage space to handle an 88.
Posted By: jon from oz

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/12/09 06:39 AM

Hi Guys
This is one I will put on my list of boards to try in the near future. The local Korg rep said he would try and have one of these sent to the establishment I work for, and if he does I will let you know my thoughts
My fantom X8 is great as an all-rounder, I pick up a few blues festival gigs so I would like a more dedicated Piano/E Piano instrument. Great if it is smaller and weighs less.
I will have my hands on a S90XS next week,and I have road tested the SP2X and it is on my list of contenders.
Posted By: Bronks

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/14/09 06:09 PM

Made my order today! Jeah!
Posted By: J. Dead

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/14/09 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Keys to the Hwy
Looks like it will ship anytime between this week and next March. LOL...


Sounds like when my company releases new products. "Due to be released in April"... of course, the joke is that they don't say what year.
Posted By: Mogut

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/14/09 06:26 PM

At this point this board isnt dazzling me. So many boards now have killer EP's, whats the big draw? Organ sounds like poop to boot.

I'll try not to player hate too much till I get my fingers on it tho.
Posted By: Keys to the Hwy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/14/09 07:30 PM

For me the attraction is good AP and EPs with decent weighted action in a small footprint. I've tried the RH3 on a M50 and liked it. As for organs I'll use an electro 3 or CX-3 as a second board. I love my RD700sx, but it's just to big and bulky to be schelping around. I really don't know of another board this small and light that has decent piano action.
I'll report when it gets here.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/14/09 07:42 PM

Do the piano note samples decay a little too quickly after their initial attack or not? It sort of sounded like it in the demos I heard when single note lines were played by the right hand.
Posted By: FunkKeysStuff

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/14/09 09:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Keys to the Hwy
For me the attraction is good AP and EPs with decent weighted action in a small footprint.


Ditto for me. Add in simplicity of interface, and the absence of a bunch of crap I'll never use, and it was appealing enough for me to take a chance and order one earlier this week (from a place with a good return policy, of course).
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/25/09 03:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
What do people use a CP70 on? I can't imagine it ever being a priority. A Keane cover band maybe? I don't recall ever hearing "that was a great CP70 solo!"


Check these videos out:
Here or this one
I think that the CP-70 is a great alternative when an ordinary acoustic piano sound is too boring and a Rhodes is not brilliant enough... I don't know why so many people dislike the sound. For me, it was also a criterion to buy the SV-1...
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/25/09 04:33 PM

Originally Posted By: masterjam


I think that the CP-70 is a great alternative when an ordinary acoustic piano sound is too boring and a Rhodes is not brilliant enough....


Yeah, agreed. Pianos can be boring, ESPECIALLY acoustic. In fact I'm thinking of selling mine and getting 3 dozen CP-70s.
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/25/09 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Originally Posted By: masterjam


I think that the CP-70 is a great alternative when an ordinary acoustic piano sound is too boring and a Rhodes is not brilliant enough....


Yeah, agreed. Pianos can be boring, I'm thinking of selling mine and getting 3 dozen CP-70s.

laugh

DF, on the brighter side, that will be 2,628 note polyphony and a sh*tload of cables and power strips. grin cool
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/25/09 05:46 PM

Originally Posted By: masterjam

Check these videos out:
Here or this one
I think that the CP-70 is a great alternative when an ordinary acoustic piano sound is too boring and a Rhodes is not brilliant enough... I don't know why so many people dislike the sound. For me, it was also a criterion to buy the SV-1...


As long as we're forgiving the '80's dress and attitude, this one ain't too shabby either:

Duke In Tokyo 1983

Regards,

Jerry
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/25/09 10:39 PM

Wow! I musta been there myself! party on, George!!!
Posted By: WWW

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/25/09 10:43 PM

OT?? I thought this was av SV1 post... now it has turned CP70?
Posted By: MojoGuyPan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/26/09 12:51 AM

Look everyone knows that the SV-1 has the absolute best spot on sample of the CP80. Some here may say that it is the best thing going on the SV-1. I am here just hanging around trying to find out if the acoustic piano on the SV-1 is any good or is it your standard Korg fare.

I just see posts from the tinfoil hat wearing guy who thinks on the german Korg demos there is a conspiracy by Korg and Andreas to hide the flaws in the SV-1 AP by playing in the style of Liberace.

D.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/26/09 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: wdl
OT?? I thought this was av SV1 post... now it has turned CP70?


Sorry to get caught up in the '80's moment...

Hey, did you know the SV-1 has a CP-80 sample set in it? Does that help to get back on topic?

:-)

Seriously - I'm happy to announce that we now have started shipping the 73-key model as well, so be on the lookout for it. I see a lot of talk about trying to find the SV at Guitar Center, and that's because they are starting by stocking only the 73 at this time, and we shipped the 88 first. Not in all store, but in a select group of around 40 locations. So look around/ask them - they should be able to look up which stores have it.

And there are other dealers who sell musical products as well...

;-)

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: MonksDream

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/26/09 11:48 AM

Thanks for keeping on top of this thread Jerry! Do you have any info about availability in Canada? I'm just itchin' to check out a 73 myself.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/26/09 12:16 PM

I just checked with my counterpart in Canada, he says they just got their first small shipment and they went out to dealers. So use their dealer locator and call around:

Dealer Locator

regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy

P.S. Reading a great new bio about your Avatar/Mentor"!
Posted By: bloodsample

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/26/09 02:07 PM

I jumped into this thread late and I didn't feel like reading all 40 pages so forgive me if this video was already posted.

Good demo of the SV-1's acoustic and electric pianos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9K8IaBxQuc
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/26/09 02:18 PM

Originally Posted By: bloodsample
Good demo of the SV-1's acoustic and electric pianos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9K8IaBxQuc


Great demo! First demo showing the SV-1's great CP-Sound ;-)
Posted By: MonksDream

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/26/09 02:20 PM

Thanks for the quick response Jerry! I'll call around to see who has one on the floor.

Yes, the Robin Kelly bio! I read the 1st chapter on the NYTimes website and it looks excellent. I'm eager to pick it up but my wife frowns on me to buying stuff for myself this time of year because it reduces her gift-giving options. wink It's on my Xmas list though!
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/26/09 02:22 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
I'm happy to announce that we now have started shipping the 73-key model as well


Hey Jerry,
do you have any information on the shipping to European dealers(e.g. Germany)?

Thanks in advance!
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/26/09 03:10 PM

Originally Posted By: masterjam

Hey Jerry,
do you have any information on the shipping to European dealers(e.g. Germany)?

Thanks in advance!


My understanding is that they started shipping late this month, perhaps just starting now.

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: fjzingo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/27/09 06:38 PM

Just tried one out in a music store in gbg sweden, so they're here in europe.

Cool and nice looking, but I would never replace my nord stage with it.

Nice sounding retrokeyboards, but for some reason I wasn't impressed.

/Fred
Posted By: Nillerbabs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/28/09 09:15 AM

How come? Action, interface, design, sound? Please do elaborate smile
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/28/09 12:42 PM

Yes, please elaborate for those of us with Nord Stages who are getting GAS.
Posted By: fjzingo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/28/09 03:21 PM

It is a cool nice looking keyboard, even better looking in reality,

I played it only for a short time whilst waiting for the store owner to connect some studio monitors, 5-10 min. What I felt was that it didn't sound better than the nord stage (i.e. as good as). I liked the piano sound when I heard JD73 play it on youtube, but when played the piano myself I didn't like the response of the sound nor something with the mid range. It might have been the monitors.

The wurli was cool, the rhodes ok clavinet ok, .hammond ok no drawbars or light bars(new name for the nord variant?)..

Anyhow I would definitely try out this instrument in greater detail if I were to buy a new keyboard for emulating rhodes and so on and compare it thoroughly to a nord stage- they do play in the same league. Since I have the nord stage and some rhodes pianos, clavinet and so on, this is not for me.

/Fred
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/28/09 06:42 PM

"It might have been the monitors"

I think we all need to do side by side comaprisons to really judge the characteristics.
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/03/09 10:15 PM

Just played the 73-key at the local Guitar Center (Concord).

Personally, I'm really impressed. Physically the thing is the size of most 61-key synths. Heft is a welcome relief from my MP4.

I dug the relationship of the keybed to the piano sounds. I could play expressively and the thing reacted well to my touch. Acoustic piano timbre is nicer than my Kawai and I could definitely see myself gigging with it (jazz, r&b, standards, etc.). Yes, Ivory is nicer and more nuanced, etc., but I see that as apples/oranges.

EPS are really useful. I could see myself gigging those all day long. Orchestral strings is another standout, very expressive. The interaction of amp model and timbre/response is really interesting, the tube is not just a glow bottle for distortion. EQ is pretty powerful as well.

Organs I'm undecided on. The static sound is there, but I don't see it replacing the other organs I use (Kurzweil KB3 in my PC361 or Logic EVB3). Clavs I'm not digging.

But it's so small and the pianos play really well, at least in my opinion. In my opinion, the bBottom line is if you already have a small, light, great-feeling board you're happy with for AP and EP, you may not find enough to make a switch. But if there's some part of that equation that's still missing (like me), it's something to consider.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/03/09 11:38 PM

Tim, thanks for the heads-up -- I was too rushed on Monday to drop in after depositing my cheque at Patelco, and had meant to call the San Francisco flagship store but now won't bother!

I'll check it out next time I visit Patelco, which might be Saturday. Looking forward to it. I'd rather do it now than at NAMM where it's so noisy.
Posted By: FunkKeysStuff

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/04/09 01:01 PM

One fault I've found with it: over the first two weeks of gigging with it, there were three times that it suddenly just stopped producing sound in mid-song. Switching patches and fiddling with knobs did nothing, and I had to restart it. After the second time I was about to start making phone calls, but on the third time, I figured out what was going on: I was accidentally hitting the Local Off button, which is located inconveniently close to the keys. I've also hit the Function button right next to it a time or two, but it's not a "solo killer" like the other one is. ("Yeah, I'm burnin'! I'm killin' it! I'm... silent? WTF?!?!?")

So, Jerry or anyone else from Korg who may be listening, here's my first official request for the next OS: a way to globally disable the Local Off button from the editor.

But that minor quibble aside, I'm loving the thing on gigs. The other night we had a sub singer who called "What'd I Say" (not in this band's usual rep), and I got a big goofy grin on my face which spread to the rest of the band when I kicked off the tune.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/04/09 01:25 PM

Originally Posted By: FunkKeysStuff


So, Jerry or anyone else from Korg who may be listening, here's my first official request for the next OS: a way to globally disable the Local Off button from the editor.


Just dropped in for a moment... yes, we know about this and are working on something. We had noticed accidentally brushing a Favorites button and changing a sound, but this is not a desirable thing either. Unless your guitar player thinks you're overplaying!

:-)

Sorry,couldn't resist.

We'll announce what we're doing as soon as it's ready. We've got you covered - don't worry.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/04/09 05:35 PM

Originally Posted By: FunkKeysStuff
I figured out what was going on: I was accidentally hitting the Local Off button, which is located inconveniently close to the keys. I've also hit the Function button right next to it a time or two, but it's not a "solo killer" like the other one is. ("Yeah, I'm burnin'! I'm killin' it! I'm... silent? WTF?!?!?")
Yeah, why after all these years manufacturers insist on putting buttons so close to the keys is beyond me. The simple things they overlook, or just don't bother to ask the opinion from actual real live musicians...
Posted By: bhodaway10

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/05/09 05:03 AM

I checked out the Korg SV-1 73 today at the San Jose GC. I only had about 15 minutes but what a fun 15! Like Tim, I didn't care for the organs but I loved the EP's, Clav's, and the pianos. I thought the action was also great - IMHO better than the Nord Stage.
Posted By: Music*aL

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/06/09 02:53 AM

I spent a few minutes with the SV-1 88 last week at my local music store. It looks cool and the keybed feels great.

I didn't warm up to the acoustic pianos. They sounded like I was playing an average rompler to me. There seemed to be a lack of detail in the pianos and there didn't seem to be any wood in the samples.

I thought the EP's were very good and the effects were also very good. I didn't play the organs, strings or synths because those do not interest me from a rompler. I also didn't play the clavs or wurlies in part because I am not much of a clavinet or wurlie player.

I recall when a certain red board came out that some said they felt as though they were playing a real instrument, not a sampled imitation: a high compliment. My assessment is that the SV-1 falls short of that mark.

aL
Posted By: Mogut

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/06/09 03:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Music*aL

I recall when a certain red board came out that some said they felt as though they were playing a real instrument, not a sampled imitation: a high compliment. My assessment is that the SV-1 falls short of that mark.

aL


Words well put.
Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/06/09 03:32 AM

I got to spend a few minutes with the 88 today. Quite sub-optimal conditions, though, so my opinions on the sound aren't quite formed. What I heard was very good EPs, decent APs, decent clavs, ok organs. So basically what most people have been saying here. The action felt good. I guess what with not being able to properly evaluate everything, the impression I really came away with is just how fun it is to play.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/07/09 07:18 PM

I had a chance to try the smaller model today at Concord's Guitar Centre, and was hoping to re-try the PC3X at Leo's in Oakland right afterwards but they had sold theirs and the one in the back room wasn't out of its box yet. But I can try it later vs. the M50, which they do stock, just to verify that I don't need to also have that graded action at hand vs. just the balanced action.

OK, so the action is better than any Yamaha electric keyboard that I have tried, which is a bonus, but I don't think it's quite as responsive as the PC3X. I just need to re-compare to be sure. Whatever the case, I know for sure that I personally feel a bit more comfortable on the PC3X, even though neither is ideal from a pure Acoustic Piano point of view (that is asking a bit much of an electronic keyboard, in my opinion). But I certainly could live with the R3H action, if combined with a good sound set.

Unfortunately, Guitar Centre had the SV-1 mated to a Behringer keyboard amp. I worked a lot with the EQ and settings of the SV-1, but it was hopeless. Even so, I think I was able to draw some judgments that would hold against a better sound delivery system. And my take is the opposite of most postings so far (I so love being a contrarian).

I was most impressed by the Clavinets, and barely at all by the E-pianos, except for one or two of the twelve patches. I'm sorry, but I'm just so used to Scarbee by now. So maybe that's not a fair comparison. If compared to other live keyboards, it blows away any Yammie that I've played, for acoustic and electric pianos. More fluid and musical, and more gradual transitions between the zones -- yet the "kick" and "bite" seem to beg for a customized velocity curve (I didn't have time for that). How they fit in the mix, on stage, would be the key.

I actually find the acoustic pianos quite playable, given that I am assuming the abrasive tone was the result of the Behringer amp and not indicative of the SV-1's natural timbre. My judgment is based on the increased dynamic range over most of the competition, and the lack of obvious compression artefacts in two or three of the acoustic patches.

I also found the organs impressive, considering how low my expectations were. I can't say for sure they would be usable at a gig, without trying, but they seemed more believable than anything I've heard on a ROMpler. I found that swipes came off particularly well, with all the correct note interaction and believable envelopes for how quickly each note "speaks".

As I said earlier in the thread, nothing can deter me from a PC3X (except maybe a 2700), but I was curious to see whether I might want both a Kurzweil and an SV-1 for stage work -- especially due to the SV-1 having graded action and being more dedicated to the pianos. My conclusion is that I will not be buying an SV-1 and therefore will definitely go with an 88-key Kurzweil model, but I would like to hear the SV-1 matched against the PC3X directly, for the Clavinets and E-Pianos, to be fair.

The Clavinets on the SV-1 spank the way I like them to. I've had trouble with this on every clavinet patch I've tried, from GEM to Nord to Scarbee to Yamaha and beyond. The Kurzweil clavinets have been the most usable to me thus far. I'd like to compare them again if I get a chance. But I don't tend to use much clavinet in live situations, so it's not a selling point for me.

The "Other" bank is useless in my opinion. By useless, I don't mean bad sounding, as much as not the most likely sounds one would most often need to complement traditional keyboard sounds at a gig primarily focused on keyboard sounds. I'm not sure if its inclusion is meant to minimize the times you need a second board, or just meant to help move these in stores, but if the latter, I hope a firmware update will allow an overwrite of that bank.
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/07/09 07:53 PM

And just to clarify, as otherwise my mini-review may be misinterpreted as negative (which it isn't meant to be), I chose to focus on aspects that had not been covered already by other people (or where I disagree with the majority view).

This is an excellent addition to Korg's lineup, and a great option for many people. It fills a unique niche in the market, and I can see it forming the base of a new line of keyboards that continues to grow and improve with time.

The organs, by the way, are pretty ballsy, which surprised me. It's just hard with six patches to know whether they're the ones you'll most likely need at a gig -- especially on cover songs. But I should have been clearer that I was impressed by the organs in absolute terms and not just relative to my expectations. A couple of them sounded very CX3-like.
Posted By: Music*aL

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/07/09 08:24 PM

I'm with Mark about the Organs. I have always thought that Korg had the best rompler organs in the business! Where I differ with Mark is concerning their usefulness.

aL
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/07/09 08:27 PM

??? I'm kind of humoured by the comment, as I said I couldn't judge their usefulness without trying them in a band/stage context, and since that's a neutral statement, I guess either finding them useful or finding them useless differs with my statements, so it sounds like you're being coy. :-)
Posted By: Music*aL

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/07/09 08:38 PM

I should have said that although you weren't sure about the organs' usefulness, I could find no use for them. I tried using the Korg rompler organs in a band setting, and the frustration of using them (although they sound good solo'ed) was beyond description. Besides the fact that there are no real time controls over most of the organ sound, the sound being drenched in reverb, when played against other instruments, for some mysterious reason, the organs sounded thinner than a wafer (not to quote Monty Python).

So, where I disagreed is that whereas you were not sure of their usefulness, I am sure of their uselessness!! grin

aL
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/07/09 09:16 PM

Thanks for clearing that up -- I actually couldn't tell before you clarified, what your position was. :-)

I have had similar experiences with other keyboard sounds in the past, including the GEM stuff (as much as it pains me to say that).

I use organ a fair bit at gigs, but usually on songs where I temporarily switch off bass guitar for a quick solo or bridge, so I haven't been able to justify the cost (yet) of a dedicated B3 clone.

This is why the utility of the organ sounds in the SV-1 is actually a fairly important component of the overall sales pitch for me. But I know that won't apply for many people here.

I also need to spend more time with the improved KB3 mode in the PC3X. And at least there, you get sliders for drawbars vs. nothing or vs. buttons. Click-stop is better, of course. :-)
Posted By: New&Improv

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/07/09 09:57 PM

I played a 73-key model at Apple Music in Portland this weekend. Spent about 1/2 hour playing it with headphones, and, I must admit, I was pretty impressed.

The EP's did it for me immediately, not just the sounds but the action and playability seemed really right for my fingers. I use the Scarbee samples, which I love, but my controller is not so great. I've really tried to like the Nord Electros, but while I really like the sounds, the keyfeel has never been right for me on the EP's, while it's great for organ. The SV is the opposite, the organ sounds are OK, though not nearly tweakable enough, but it just doesn't feel right on the weighted keys. The action is perfect for EP's. I liked the variety of EP's, especially the more obscure ones. If I was just playing EP in a band, I'd jump on the SV in a flash, but as it is, I'm mainly doing a mix of B3 and synths, and can't really justify $2k on a secondary board. But it is loads of fun to play.
Posted By: Music*aL

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/08/09 02:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder


I use organ a fair bit at gigs, but usually on songs where I temporarily switch off bass guitar for a quick solo or bridge, so I haven't been able to justify the cost (yet) of a dedicated B3 clone.



I too use a lot of organ. That's why the Stage made lots of sense to me when it came out. I have the classic not the EX, and while it is now a bit behind the latest and greatest B3 offerings, it still holds its own quite well for Organs, Piano, EP's, Wurlies and Clavs.

aL
Posted By: Nillerbabs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/09/09 08:20 PM

FunkKeysStuff, a question:

So far we've only seen a screen shot of the main editing window of the software editor. What's with the other windows - how in-depth and specific is the RX and amp editing?

/ Niels
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/10/09 12:22 AM

The manual for the Editor can be found here.

Busch.
Posted By: Nillerbabs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/10/09 04:32 AM

Waiuw!
Thanks.

The only obvious lack on this board which can not be argued with different tastes seems to be the lack of an onboard knob for mid frequency. What would be really kewl was if Korg made it possible to press the 'function' button and suddenly the Mid knob - granted that it's not occupied by another function already - would do this. This would make a world of a difference for me in using EP's. Is it possible?
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/12/09 05:22 PM

burningbusch,

Have you played the SV1 yet? I would like to know your thoughts on it's AP and EP.

TIA
J+
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/12/09 05:35 PM

I had about 10 min. with an SV-1 /73 at GC and I really like the action. Not a thing wrong with the organs, after I turned off the vibrato effect - took out the little electric cheese tinge after I figured out the vib. was on. For my brief run through, I found none of the sounds wanting at all. I liked the knobs and dials but I bet it'll take a while to set up the sounds just right. The size is perfect. I think the 73 is just right for small stage gigs. I especially liked the pianos. I'm using my electro 2/61 this afternoon at a private party gig, and I'd like to have the sv-1 pianos along with me. All in all I think I'll angle for one after the first of the year. One question, though, I noted the korg guy saying this or that is being corrected - are the changes available on line, or should I hold out for some months until all the bugs are worked out? Should I wait until the next model year?
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/14/09 01:37 PM

I own an SV-1 73 now and I'm totally happy with it. It perfectly fits into the back of a compact car, the sounds are great (including the organs to my pov - I only use them rarely as I am not a Organ fan). My wife probably dislikes the SV right now as I could not be seperated from the piano during the last weekend ;-)

The only thing that really disturbs me is the fact that there is a noticable white noise when playing with the Amp simulation turned on.

@Jerry the Korg Guy:
Is there any possibility to fix this (change the tube, etc.)?
Posted By: lowerhodes

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 12:18 AM

I bought a 73 key SV-1 last week and while I will very likely keep it I have considered returning it every day. Most of my initial impressions from when I tried it out still hold true for me. 1) AP sounds are good and even the mono patch is usable for some applications (what I refer to as "right hand tinkle") which is a big plus 2) EP sounds seem good one day and poor the next but that is probably my getting used to what they seem to be intended for by Korg. While the base Rhodes and Wurlitzer samples sound OK the one issue I have is with the amp selector. Any of the six options deliver too much overdrive at even the lowest setting. No subtlety is possible. If you're competing with grinding guitars that may not be bad but if not.... Bypassing the amp selector entirely produces a comparitively lackluster sound, particularly with the Rhodes. 3) I find all the other sounds (Clav/organ/strings/synth brass thing?) very simply uninspiring. 4) The effects are also not particularly impressive although the same can be said of most digital boards IMO. In particular, the reverb, which even at it's lowest setting is excessive. Not a big deal for me but I thought it worth mentioning for guys who use it. Perhaps this and the amp selector can be adjusted via the accompanying software but why should that be necessary? 5) This is a minor issue but I also thought it worth noting as it affected my initial tryout of the SV-1. The control panel is black, The knobs are black. The settings are backlit but on a dark stage (Stage Vintage?) it can be difficult to find what you need quickly. Annoying, although I'm sure this will improve as I become more familiar with it.
What's good about it you may ask? The size and weight. Incredible. As a matter of convenience I like the stereo line in's. Eliminates the need for a mixer when I'm using it with my NE3 for quickie setups. Simple user interface. Lastly, the action has grown on me and I now really like it. All very subjective. Are these reasons to buy and keep one? For me, today they are.
Posted By: lowerhodes

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 12:56 AM

I forgot to mention that the SV-1 EP's seem to posses the rare characteristic of sounding better through stage amplifaction than near field monitors.
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 03:28 AM

I got my 15 minutes at GC today. It was a classic GC experience. I had been there a week ago hoping to see it but they had just sold their units. Today I was in again. It was in stock, and the pro audio counter guy, who may have been lower-level management, invited me to play it saying, "I want to hear you play it." (Nice sales tactic.) But then he walks over to it, calls up the "Jump" patch and begins plunking around, apologizing because he's not a player. After 30 agonizing seconds of that I got a turn at it.

Amplification was two little Yamaha monitors. Good enough for a quick run-through. I love the color of the 73. I love the shape of the cabinet. The front panel controls are almost over-the-top retro. It feels like a little of this, a little of that. That's not to say I don't like the controls--I do. The layout makes sense and you know what you're grabbing when you grab it...as long as there's light on stage, as mentioned above.

Again...this was a very quick demo. I liked the acoustic pianos very much. The first variation was brighter than I'm use to but the second was a little warmer and quite musical. After a bit of fooling around I was able to get a Rhodes sound really impressed me. I couldn't get the Wurly to sound as good as my Scarbee. I imagine that with its editing capabilities I could eventually get there. The clav was fine, but I don't like playing clav parts on a weighted action. Likewise the organs. I'm a drawbar guy. This unit isn't going to replace a dedicated organ.

I'm not considering the clav, organ, or ancillary sounds in my overall decision to buy this thing. I need a good action (which this has), believable sounds, and a smaller footprint. The strings etc., are entertaining but I don't see myself using them. It'd be nice to be able to swap them out.

I'd like to hear this through my amplification, but short of buying it I'm not sure how to make that happen. And that's not a deterrent. I'm pretty impressed overall with this thing. Maybe I can talk the guy into taking it into the pro-audio room and running it through the ADAMs. It's definitely worth another look.

K.
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 05:20 AM

Originally Posted By: lowerhodes
I bought a 73 key SV-1 last week and while I will very likely keep it I have considered returning it every day.


Would it be too much to ask you to try tweaking it with the provided software? I am very much interested in this board, but "too much drive", and "too much reverb" might be the kind of glitches that would turn me away from this kb. Can you try tweaking it? If I understand correctly, all effects are tweakable, and you should be able to set it up to give you a lesser amount of drive and reverb (and other effects for that matter).

I have a question about the rhodes. Can it be setup to sound more like Herbie's rhodes, and less bell like? All the demos I heard sound way too bell-like for my taste, with added over the top tine noises you get only when bashing the real thing. I have a Mark II and I would like to come close to it's tone somehow. Does tweaking the EQ and velocity curves solve the issue?
Posted By: Nillerbabs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 05:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Pale
the rhodes. Can it be setup to sound more like Herbie's rhodes, and less bell like?


That too is my only concern.
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 08:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Pale
I have a question about the rhodes. Can it be setup to sound more like Herbie's rhodes, and less bell like?


The Rhodes that has been used for most of the posted demo vids on YouTube is probably either the "Farvourite no.3"-Sound or the E-Piano-Section01 - Sound 01. These sounds use the AmpSimulation by default. If you turn the Amp off, the sound gets much "darker" and less bell-like. Additionally, turing down treble by using the EQ also works fine.

But I suppose you'll have to check at a store if this will do for you. The "right" sound is something very subjective, personal...
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 08:29 AM

The "right" sound is highly subjective, but what is important to me is the option to dial in extremes of the "right" sounds (from dark Herbie tone to bell-like dyno tone) , and everything in between. Or at least to come close to that.
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 09:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Pale
The "right" sound is highly subjective, but what is important to me is the option to dial in extremes of the "right" sounds (from dark Herbie tone to bell-like dyno tone) , and everything in between. Or at least to come close to that.


OK - I'll check later @home whether I can configure a sound setting that comes close your requirement.
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 02:08 PM

That would be great, thank you!

I only have a few requirements from my next board:

-good keybed
-good acoustic piano
-good rhodes

Currently I'm playing yamaha p120, and it's keybed is nearing the end of it's lifespan. I will need a replacement soon, and sv-1 is my prime candidate.

Btw, how do you all who have tried the SV1 like it's action? I don't care for organ and clav playing, I have a dedicated clone for organ. I am looking at this board from purely piano players perspective.
Posted By: Floyd Tatum

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 02:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Pale
That would be great, thank you!

I only have a few requirements from my next board:

-good keybed
-good acoustic piano
-good rhodes

Currently I'm playing yamaha p120, and it's keybed is nearing the end of it's lifespan. I will need a replacement soon, and sv-1 is my prime candidate.

Btw, how do you all who have tried the SV1 like it's action? I don't care for organ and clav playing, I have a dedicated clone for organ. I am looking at this board from purely piano players perspective.

I can't comment on the SV1, not having played one yet. But if you like the P120, it seems to me that your replacement short list should probably include the P155, and the CP33, both of which have good pianos and rhodes. The rhodeses are not quite as good as the P120's rhodes, in my opinion, but close. But I think the pianos on both of those boards are as good as or better than the P120, and, coming from Yamaha, they will be similar to what you're used to.
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 02:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Pale

Btw, how do you all who have tried the SV1 like it's action? I don't care for organ and clav playing, I have a dedicated clone for organ. I am looking at this board from purely piano players perspective.


I own an Ensoniq TS-12 since 1994 (Fatar hammer action keybed) and I think that the SV-1 is much more realistic. I am used to play on a real Ibach Grand Piano 3 times a week and concerning the SV-1's action for piano playing, I can definetly recommend it.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 02:58 PM

Floyd, can't say I share your enthusiasm for the CP33's Rhodes. To me, it always sounded like an explosion in a tine factory.
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 03:19 PM

Actually, I tried cp33. I can't stand it's rhodes. One would say I am spoiled by the real thing. But the thing is, p120 has a decent rhodes, certainly usable. I don't understand why yamaha felt the need to degrade the quality of a decently sounding rhodes sample.
I tried nord stage.... while the wurlitzer was awesome, rhodes was just ok, and piano was awful.

Sv-1 is my next hope.
Posted By: Floyd Tatum

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Pale
Actually, I tried cp33. I can't stand it's rhodes. One would say I am spoiled by the real thing. But the thing is, p120 has a decent rhodes, certainly usable. I don't understand why yamaha felt the need to degrade the quality of a decently sounding rhodes sample.

I understand what you mean. The P120's rhodes was a special thing. I owned a Stage 73 Rhodes for about 25 years, and then a MkII for a few years. I was able to A/B the P120 with the MkII, and they were very close. It seems a lot of rhodes players really like the P120 rhodes sound, but somehow that message is not getting through to Yamaha (along with various other messages, like reducing the size & weight of the S90/S70 for example). I'm considering buying a CP33, I need a second keyboard. I don't dislike the CP33's rhodes as much as you, I could put up with it, but I wish Yamaha would use that P120 rhodes voicing, or an improved version, on more of their digital pianos.

In any case, I don't want to take this thread off-topic. You just mentioned that you were replacing a P120, so I just thought I would recommend a couple of similar keyboards for you to add to your list, in addition to the Korg SV-1.

By the way, I'm also very interested to try out an SV-1. Although, its above my weight limit, so I doubt I would buy it. But I'm interested to know what it's like, nonetheless. There, back on-topic.
Posted By: theharmonium

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 03:29 PM

pretty excited to try the sv1 ... I've read some less than savory reviews of the organ; I play a cx-3 live (which i love) and i was hoping this would have the 'same guts' ... any one really dug into the organ on this thing? how tweakable are the organs and how is the leslie sim? ... a really good organ and this things a bargain IMO

I personally love the rhodes on my NE2 - in fact I thought it was the only acceptable one out there for a long time but I have drastically changed that opinion realizing for me good rhodes live is as much about the amp as the patch ... NE2 is still my favorite but a good amp with a good reverb tank and tremelo will go a long long way ...

Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 03:55 PM

True that! RIght now I have 2 amps sitting next to me, peavey classic VT (hybrid) and a DIY transistor head. My rhodes sounds absolutelly awful through the peavey classic compared to that diy transistor amp. THe choice of amp is crucial for a good rhodes tone.

To this day my favourite is a small Carvin 15W (or was it 18W?) tube 112 combo. I can't recall the model, but I remember it sounding awesome.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/15/09 04:13 PM

Yamaha should make their own version of the SV-1. Include a selection of their acoustic piano sounds from over the years, a selection of the Motif EPs, and that's it, no other sounds. Call it the LSP (Legacy Stage Piano).
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/16/09 12:16 AM

Originally Posted By: lowerhodes
the one issue I have is with the amp selector. Any of the six options deliver too much overdrive at even the lowest setting. No subtlety is possible.

In particular, the reverb, which even at it's lowest setting is excessive. Not a big deal for me but I thought it worth mentioning for guys who use it. Perhaps this and the amp selector can be adjusted via the accompanying software but why should that be necessary?


Both of these issues are easily dealt with from the software. You really owe it to yourself to check it out. Why "live and die" only by the factory presets when you can make some small adjustments to taste to refine an instrument to your liking?

Thankfully so many of today's instruments do give you control over the sound, as opposed to being entirely preset. Take the leap!

:-)

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/16/09 12:21 AM

Originally Posted By: masterjam
The only thing that really disturbs me is the fact that there is a noticable white noise when playing with the Amp simulation turned on.

@Jerry the Korg Guy:
Is there any possibility to fix this (change the tube, etc.)?


The best way to deal with this is to use the Editor, turn down the initial gain a little and bring up the amp attenuation a bit. Then use the NR (Noise Reduction which is a noise gate) to dial out more of the amp noise. Guitar amps are inherently a bit noisy, to make the sound real and not digital there's going to be a little bit of noise. When guitar player's get a good tone pushing an amp they actually have a pretty serious level of standing state noise... we're just not as used to that in our world.

Try those tweaks and let me know if you're finding a better result. We can always talks via PM to take a specific sound and suggest some tweaks.

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: Gas In The Air

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/16/09 05:34 AM

Originally Posted By: floyd tatum
Originally Posted By: Pale
Actually, I tried cp33. I can't stand it's rhodes. One would say I am spoiled by the real thing. But the thing is, p120 has a decent rhodes, certainly usable. I don't understand why yamaha felt the need to degrade the quality of a decently sounding rhodes sample.

I understand what you mean. The P120's rhodes was a special thing. I owned a Stage 73 Rhodes for about 25 years, and then a MkII for a few years. I was able to A/B the P120 with the MkII, and they were very close. It seems a lot of rhodes players really like the P120 rhodes sound, but somehow that message is not getting through to Yamaha (along with various other messages, like reducing the size & weight of the S90/S70 for example). I'm considering buying a CP33, I need a second keyboard. I don't dislike the CP33's rhodes as much as you, I could put up with it, but I wish Yamaha would use that P120 rhodes voicing, or an improved version, on more of their digital pianos.


Floyd,

I had both the P120 and The CP33. I very much regret that I sold the P120 for the CP33. The piano sound was only a bit different CP33 is just brighter but not better. I actually liked the playability (connection keyboard/sound) better on the P120. The CP33 Rhodes as you said was worse. Also the DX E-piano was much worse. So I sold the CP33 and now I am little lost. The P155 is not a real alternative, same ugly Rhodes and DX as on the CP33. The new 4 layer piano is also not a big step forward if you think that between the P120 and the P155 were 8!!! years of development time. Thinks about how the computer industry developed in 8 years.

I might wait for the new CP series if there is any. Those keyboards are 4 years old now, hopefully there is an announcement at Winter Namm. If not, hmmm? I dont know. The S90xs is not a real alternative as you can see in my thread who can say something positive about the S90xs http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads...ive#Post2139464
Too bad I would like another Yammy. My dream would be a RD700gx version from Yamaha.
Posted By: toad

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/16/09 11:42 AM

If you can't layer the different sounds I can't use it!
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 03:45 PM

Originally Posted By: toad
If you can't layer the different sounds I can't use it!


Well, on the one hand you can't.

But we can!

We are working on some new sound releases and there will be some layers in there. And we can make more. Please describe your top-needed types of layers and we can reference that for future sound releases. They must be based on the samples that are inside, but they can have different programming so it can say things like piano and fast strings, piano and slow attack/release pad, etc.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 03:49 PM

And here's a just-released video of R&B great Frank McComb playing and reacting to the SV-1:



Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 04:18 PM

God damn, I was going to treat myself to either a PC3, Or a Roland FP4, probably the Fp4, but I can't bring myself to do it until I demo this next week. Is the acoustic piano on par with an FP4 do you think?
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 04:23 PM

Personally, I "connect" with the SV-1's AP much better than with the FP4. A lot of that is a composite of timbre, touch, velocity curve, what the weight of the keybed "does" when you expect something, etc. Put it this way, I was jamming away on AP at the local store and all of a sudden it's 30 minutes later. You owe it to yourself to at least play the thing before you decide either way.
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 07:09 PM

I have test driven the s90xs, the casio 330, Yam cp300, nord stages, and I connect best with the sv-1. I think it's the action, but the sounds get me, too.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 07:09 PM

Are there any demos of this thing getting a dark Herbie Rhodes sound? Everything I have heard sounds like an agressive Rhodes on steroids.
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 07:47 PM

Yeah, I'd like a less dyno like sound too. It's sample based right? If so, was it sampled off the harp the same as the Scarbee stuff? In which case you should just be able to turn off the guitar amp simulation and get near I would have thought.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Are there any demos of this thing getting a dark Herbie Rhodes sound? Everything I have heard sounds like an agressive Rhodes on steroids.
Yeah, I like an older early-70's Rhodes sound. More meat, less bell
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 09:44 PM

Dark Herbie sound:

Maybe one of the new owners here could try the 3rd EP (turn off the tremolo) and answer back - that one uses less velocity layers. Reacting to that would give me an idea of how you want us to approach this - we can certainly use a different mix/amount of layers to get what you're talking about.

The "bell" is usually more pronounced in softer playing on a Rhodes, and goes away the harder you hit it. So we might make a new sound using only the hi-mid to higher layers...

name some songs/tracks as well to give me your personal reference. Not going to happen right away, but we can work towards it, no problem.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy

Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 11:27 PM

I want to be able to get THIS sound:

http://www.hotrodmotm.com/sounds/dogclip.mp3
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 11:45 PM

Originally Posted By: mate_stubb
I want to be able to get THIS sound:

http://www.hotrodmotm.com/sounds/dogclip.mp3


Sounds like Jan Hammer, but I don't know the cut/album. What is it?

Regards,

Jerry
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 11:50 PM

Yup, that's Jan with "Magical Dog" from Oh Yeah.

It's dirty, midrangy, solid, and just a really cool sound I've never been able to nail.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/18/09 11:54 PM

Yeah, I don't have any of those later Jan Hammer Group recordings. Needs some serious compression, and not too many velocity layers. I'll share that with Jack Hotop and see what we can come up with.

Jerry
Posted By: ksoper

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 01:48 AM

Man, I love the fact that the Korg guys are truly interested in the development of this board with musician input. If there will be a way to swap out the "other" sounds for things that may be more useful you've got another sale here.

thanks,
K.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 02:19 AM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
name some songs/tracks as well to give me your personal reference. Not going to happen right away, but we can work towards it, no problem.
This is about as bright as I dig. The farther away from dyno, the better IMO....

Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 02:34 AM

.

This is another example of HERBIE HANCOCK'S Rhodes sound, it's a stock Rhodes sound with reverb added. Anybody know how this was recorded for the CTI session?

Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 05:17 AM

Originally Posted By: timwat
Personally, I "connect" with the SV-1's AP much better than with the FP4. A lot of that is a composite of timbre, touch, velocity curve, what the weight of the keybed "does" when you expect something, etc. Put it this way, I was jamming away on AP at the local store and all of a sudden it's 30 minutes later. You owe it to yourself to at least play the thing before you decide either way.


+1 I own an FP-4 and will be trading for an SV-1 as soon as possible. There is definetly a better connection, action-wise, on the SV-1. I also like the sound and the layout better.
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 07:23 AM

Thanks, that shoots down the FP4 for me, I think they have both the FP4 and SV-1 in store, so I will try them, but I know where Im leaning already.

Those two videos from kanker and Jazz+ are what I call the perfect tone setup, and I hope is acheivable on the SV-1. Always been a fan of the transistor suitcase sound rather than a guitar amp. Using Scarbee the last few years I have high standards, so Im hoping the SV-1 can pull it off next week.
Posted By: FunkKeysStuff

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 07:36 AM

At the risk of stating the obvious, simply trimming the highs on the basic Rhodes patch does a pretty good job of minimizing the bell. If I get a chance early next week, I'll try to put up a quick and dirty demo of that sound. (Maybe even a Herbie tune, if I can manage not to butcher one too badly after six months of playing "Jesse's Girl.")

Still, I'd be interested in the version Jerry mentioned with the re-done layers.
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 08:28 AM

I tried to find some clips on youtube, this is the tone I'd like to get on SV-1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVBOy7UF-XQ

Examples given by kanker and Jazz+ are also wanted smile THat's the whole point - to have a few rhodes sounds you are able to dial in without the hassle of lifting the harp cover and spending the entire afternoon tweaking.

I am not sure why, but most of the people (ok, musicians) I know do NOT like the overtone rich, treble bell-like toned rhodes, but yet almost every keyboard out there gives us exactly that flavour. Is the the curse of dx7 or what? I don't get it.

I am too pleased with the initiative from jerrytek, a bit more personal approach from a big company always goes a long way, at least in my book. I'm still waiting to get the sv-1 somewhere in my vicinty, so I can try it out. In meantime I can only jibber-jabber about it here on forum smile
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 08:40 AM

Jerrys involvement here is very much appreciated, if only some of the other 'big guns' gave the time to chat to the guys in the field using their gear every day Im sure a lot of releases wouldn't get the battering they get because of non communication.

Eugh, I know if I buy the SV-1 next week, Im going to have a lot of bother not using it long enough to complete my assignments over the holidays, it's bad enough being a mature student!

Still.......there ARE 24 hours in a day. ;o)
Posted By: funkphingerz88

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 08:53 AM

Yeah Jerry's approach is very refreshing. Korg are listening im sure.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 09:34 AM

Originally Posted By: ksoper
If there will be a way to swap out the "other" sounds for things that may be more useful you've got another sale here.


There certainly is a way. Right now, anyone using the editor can tweak sounds (touch curve, tuning table RX noise level, and ALL the FX) and save those edits to ANY location in the SV. So you can overwrite the Other Bank with custom settings you like. Or you could save them to the Favorites. But if you need (for example) EP's with Delay instead of Reverb, a Wah Rhodes, etc. you can make them now and save them over any location you don't need. You'll always have the back-up file to restore a single sound if desired.

Shortly, we will release the first Bank of new sounds (based on the existing waveforms in the product) to add variety to your sound selection. The first Bank may not be the most drastic set of variations; it includes a number of blends/layers that and variations on the basic themes that people have asked for.

In time we will release more and more, and try to expand the sound selection in ways that you (and we) want. But we have never promised to add in completely new sounds like a different brand/make of piano, or new/different organs, for example. I just want to be clear and not misquoted later.

Does this help to clarify how you can change/overwrite sounds you don't need?

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 09:52 AM

Not sure if this has been asked or is possible. But using the existing waveforms could you create a split patch with say a midrange octaves of the Rhodes over 3 octaves on the left side and a string patch with the remaining octaves?
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 10:31 AM

Originally Posted By: b3boy
Not sure if this has been asked or is possible. But using the existing waveforms could you create a split patch with say a midrange octaves of the Rhodes over 3 octaves on the left side and a string patch with the remaining octaves?


Sure, that's possible. Any split based on the existing waveforms is possible. This is not as flexible as a true split feature, of course, since we have to decide the split point and then it can't be moved. Interesting question: Where do you usually split keys when doing LH comping and RH "other stuff"?

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 10:46 AM

It depends on the number of keys you have available. On my xk1 my split point is 2 octaves from the left. On 88 key keyboard I split it 3 octaves from the left. I usually split it at C (C belonging to right hand), but if a certain song requires another tone, for example C#, I will make the adjustment accordingly.
I do not do a lot of splits, but it would be nice if korg could make a preset split you could load instead of a sound you don't need. left hand strings - right hand rhodes (or wurly, or piano) Combinations like those would be fun to play. Any combo giving you a nice carpet in left hand with a leading sound in right is fine by me. Walking bass combos as well, but since there are no bass sounds available I'm not sure what could be split to mimic a bass. Maybe a rhodes sound, or an organ sound.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 01:10 PM

.

Does it do the Herbie Rhodes sound out of the box?

Posted By: Keys to the Hwy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 06:15 PM

Jerry, I have a SV-1 73 and am loving it. What would be ideal is to have some kind of editor that would allow us to create our own split points and voice combos based on existing waveforms.


Originally Posted By: b3boy
Not sure if this has been asked or is possible. But using the existing waveforms could you create a split patch with say a midrange octaves of the Rhodes over 3 octaves on the left side and a string patch with the remaining octaves?
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Keys to the Hwy
Jerry, I have a SV-1 73 and am loving it. What would be ideal is to have some kind of editor that would allow us to create our own split points and voice combos based on existing waveforms.


hi Keys:

Glad you're liking it! I hear you, but I can't promise that would be possible. For now give us input on what types of layers and splits you want.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 08:05 PM

I suppose this is as good a place as any to 'fess up to ordering a 73. The GX will still get taken out for classical or band gigs where I need more complex stuff (along with the Motif XS rack) but I'm hoping the new arrival will prove a handy, inspirational little board which will be somewhat easier to get in and out of solo piano gigs. It also provides back-up redundancy and means I won't be forever packing and unpacking the GX.
Posted By: Keys to the Hwy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 08:36 PM

You won't be sorry. I have an RD700sx that I would just love to gig with, but between the weight and size in a band and limited stage space I end up enjoying it in the home studio.
The SV-1 73 is a joy, reasonable weight, small footprint and great weighted action it really fills the bill. I've got it sitting with a NE3 73 to cover the organs and it works out great.
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/19/09 09:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Does it do the Herbie Rhodes sound out of the box?

It is interesting that folks want a sound that Herbie hardly ever uses. Yet, if he sat down and played the SV-1 it would sound fantastic in his hands.

At some point, musos have to accept that a) the player has a lot to do with how any KB sounds and b) these KBs are sampled/modelled instruments. The KBs sound good but lack the physical characteristics of the originals.

So, even if a manufacturer samples/models that same Rhodes Herbie played, after playing the emulator for a while, it still won't sound quite the same.

The SV-1 sounds good from the demos. Of course, I'll have to lay hands on it myself to see if there is a connection. wink cool
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/20/09 08:10 AM

Noone in here is in delusion that having the same tone as Herbie had will make him actually sound like Herbie. Herbie sounds like Herbie because he is Herbie. (if that made sense to anyone smile )
The whole point in all requests was that most of the people do not like the bell-like quality if it is anything more that subtle. Or at least to say, even if someone likes bell-tone one woule like to have the option to have the "herbie tone" as well.
Posted By: Nillerbabs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/20/09 08:16 AM

... I.e. like the MkI versus the MkII or the Suitcase Nord samples.
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/20/09 08:26 AM

Off to try the 73 note in an hour, will report back my humble opinions.
Posted By: FunkKeysStuff

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/20/09 08:55 AM

For what it's worth, in the past I've never been a fan of "bell-heavy" Rhodes sounds either, and always preferred the meatier, darker variety. Also, I've never owned a real Rhodes, so I'm lacking that point of reference, and my tastes are based pretty much on what I've heard on records. All that said, I gotta say I've really been enjoying the SV-1 Rhodes as-is. It's just so damn expressive, I find myself enjoying the bell-like quality more than I would have imagined. I suppose it's because the bell tone comes in at the right time and in the right way, which I've never experienced before. All the previous "Dyno" patches I've experienced have been all shimmer and no ass. But this gets plenty meaty and gritty when you dig into it. Of course it's a subjective matter, and I'm sure it won't be to everyone's taste. All I'm saying is, don't write this thing off based solely on the preconception that "the Rhodes it too bright," because you might just be surprised.
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/20/09 01:00 PM

Ok, just bought the 73. Spent sometime in the shop, and got a 100 off the week old one on display, it's like new so I have a few extra pennies this Xmas which is nice.

Looks great, and am amazed at the compactness of it. The keybed is a joy to play and the biggest factor for me, a 73 weighted keyboard. People speak about connectivity from keybed to sound, and it's true. I have been playing Ivory at a buffer of 32, but I just feel more connected to the sounds.

Getting cataract out tuesday so it's staying in it's box until then, I'll comment further as I go through it.

Can I just say the build quality is really good, the knobs are very tight and solid, you don't feel like you have to tiptoe with them.

More comments next week!
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/20/09 05:39 PM

Thought I would add my voice to the chorus of people wanting the darker, Manchild-era Herbie Rhodes. If the SV-1 had a good representation of that sound, I would get the Discover card out immediately.
Posted By: kobalazs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/22/09 12:05 PM

Well, here's the real competitor of SV-1 just released by Nord:
Nord Piano 88



General
88 keys, weighted hammer action.

Piano Section
6 selectable categories of pianos - Grand, Upright, EP Tines, EP Reeds, Clavinet & Harpsichord. Each category can contain several different types. Stereo pianos can be played back in mono.
512 MB is available for the pianos
Each and every piano in the Nord Piano is exchangeable by the user. New models can be uploaded to the Nord Piano using the Nord Sound Manager application

Effects Section
Effect 1 - pan, tremolo, auto-wah, three selectable depths for the pan and tremolo, rate controlled with the Effect 1 Rate knob
Effect 2 - phaser, flanger and chorus, three selectable depths, rate controlled with the Effect 2 Rate knob
Comp/Amp - three amp/speaker simulations and a compressor, drive/compression amount controlled with the Drive knob
Reverb with six algorithms - Room 1 & 2, Stage 1 & 2, Hall 1& 2, Dry/Wet control
Three band EQ, with sweepable mid. +/- 15 dB gain/attenuation

Connections
2 Audio outputs L & R - ", 6,35 mm jacks, unbalanced
1 Monitor input - 1/8", 3,5 mm stereo jack
1 Headphone output - ", 6,35 mm stereo jack
1 Piano pedal input - ", 6,35 mm jack
1 Aux Switch pedal input - ", 6,35 mm jack
MIDI In, MIDI Out - 5 pin DIN connectors
USB - type B connector
IEC320 C7 power connector

Dimensions
1284 mm (50.5"), 121 mm (4.8"), 340 mm (13.4")

Weight
18 kg (39.6 lbs)

Included accessories
Nord Piano pedal
User Manual
Power cord
Nord DVD-ROM
Accessories
Nord Retro Legs
Nord Soft Case
Nord Music Stand
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/22/09 12:24 PM

Having only had my SV-1 73 in my possession for barely a few hours, I can tell you that its APs wipe the floor with my the currently available Nord samples. The new batch may be better, but very happy with my choice so far. More when I quit playing around with the thing...
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/22/09 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: kobalazs
Well, here's the real competitor of SV-1 just released by Nord:


I don't think that the new Nord samples will be significantly better than those of the SV-1. Clavia already had severals years to improve the acoustic pianos and did not manage to do it ;-)

I also do not regret the my choice to buy the SV-1. The sounds are just perfect to me. And by the way: the ugly red Clavia-design would never get my wife's "living room permission"
;-)
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 12/22/09 01:47 PM

Nord should get rid of that picture. It looks like a damn toy.

Busch.
Posted By: burningbusch

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 01:50 PM

Kobalazs, here's a smaller version, please use. Thanks.

Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 02:41 PM

My take on it is that Nord is primarily best at organ reproduction, and piano takes a back seat. Korg is best at piano and ep, and organs are good but not foremost like with Nord. I really do not have faith in Nord jump starting their pianos. The sv-1 is the frontrunner for me.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 03:20 PM

Originally Posted By: daviel
I really do not have faith in Nord jump starting their pianos. The sv-1 is the frontrunner for me.


Agreed. I think Nords are great for rock/funk/r&b keyboardists but not Jazz based pianists. I will certainly be curious to put my hands on the new Nord and hope they have a good product although I agree with Busch the thing does like tinker toyish.

I need to get down to Hollyweird to check out the SV-1. That is the frontrunner for me also. Haven't had a Korg DP since the SG-PROX which I loved and used for many years.
Posted By: Keys to the Hwy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 03:37 PM

I let each do what they are best for, but got to say my SV-1 is my favorite right now.

Posted By: Mogut

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 03:38 PM

what the fudge happened to this page?
Posted By: fjzingo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 03:39 PM

Just made a perfect copy of Herbies Butterfly rhodes on my nord stage.....

Tried and compared the SV-1,Yamaha S70sx and the nord stage, I also got to try out the V-piano for the first time.

FIrst I must agree with what is stated about the action, I liked the SV-1 acction over the yamaha and nord stage action. And I think connected to the sound is a good description. Playing the SV-1 for the second time I must say it's a quite nice keyboard-did not like the acoustic pianos though. Must say I'm a bit disappointed of the S70sx, it did not appeal to me.

I think the SV-1 has a lot o give wit respect to the rhodes and wurlies and the overall build quality seems great. Still wouldn't replace my nord stage with it.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 03:42 PM

OK, after a few hours, some first impressions:

General impressions

It's a really nice-looking, compact form. Not amazingly lightweight but probably all the better for that. I can easily carry it under arm, so it will be ideal for wedding gigs, where you're typically moving about a lot - ceremony, drinks, meal etc.

It feels a lot more solid on my V-stand than the GX, presumably simply because there's a whole lot less overhang.

As someone else has already commented on this thread, it feels very well built - no fears of knobs coming off in your hands etc.

Keybed

It's not the best in the world, but this is where I expected to be disappointed, as everything pales in comparison when you're used to playing a GX.

The key return is a bit sluggish but not disastrously so. The actual weight of the action is quite nice, however - this is definitely a keybed you can dig into.

I would love to be able to tweak the velocity curves in more detail in the editor, rather than just the presets provided by Korg.

Sounds: Acoustic pianos

The Steinway is quite rich and a little dark. Crucially, the tenor range sings quite nicely - I play a lot in this area of the piano so this matters to me - while the top is suitably sparkling, with a nicely judged amount of hammer noise.

The Yamaha is more strident and needed some judicious EQ-ing to take some of the slightly artificial sheen off it. But having adjusted it, I can imagine this being useful in pop/rock settings.

The mono is based on the Steinway, I believe, yet initially to these ears sounds closer to the Yamaha. Sounds a little compressed but maybe it's because I'm only hearing it through stereo studio monitors. Will reserve judgment until I hear it down into a single EON on a gig.

Electrics

Yep, these are a bit aggressive as set. In fact, on both the Rhodes and Wurli I've dispensed with the amp modelling on my Favourite buttons as I prefer a gentler sound. But you could spend a lot of time playing around with the fx etc getting loads of nice sounds - it's here that I can't help thinking that eight Favourites is a bit on the mean side, but I guess it keeps it simple for gigging.

Clavs are very useable - lack of a mute sound might be a problem if you're a hardcore clav player, but if you are you're probably playing the real thing or an Electro, which is no doubt a better playing surface for that activity. Having said that, the clavs on the SV-1 are very playable on this keybed.

Organs and others

Not of huge interest to me. For me, these sounds only have significance maybe in a scratch rehearsal situation, or perhaps there's just one or two songs you need them on in a gig. In which case, they get you there.

General stuff

So far, my big annoyance is that I can't seem to adjust the relative volumes of patches. So every time I go from the Steinway to the Wurli, for example, I need to turn the master volume down. I loaded up the editor in the hope that there'd be a way to adjust this there but it appears not.

Jerry, is there anything you guys can do about this? Normalisation of sound levels from patch to patch is very important in a gig situation.

The music stand is a welcome addition, though it knocks a few style points off. Oh, and the sexy curved shape does make it a bit tricky to see the inputs etc from the front. But that's the price one pays for sex appeal, I guess.

Overall, very happy with this thus far. Confident enough to peel off my "RH3" label, I think...
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 03:46 PM

Aidan, how does the AP on the SV-1 compare to the Roland RD-700GX AP? Can you get a Herbie Rhodes sound (basicaly a "non agressive, non-dyno" straight factory Rhodes sound)? Still wondering.
Posted By: fjzingo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 03:46 PM

By the way I think the layout of the knobs on the new nord piano could have been designed in a different way. I miss some knobs sort of .....let's see how it looks in real life.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 03:59 PM

Originally Posted By: fjzingo
Just made a perfect copy of Herbies Butterfly rhodes on my nord stage.....

Would you mind sharing with us how?
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 04:06 PM

Jazz, as far as the AP is concerned, the Steinway's character strikes me as about a halfway house between the Expressive and Superior grands on the GX. It isn't as full-on in the midrange as the Superior yet it's not as aggressive as the Expressive can get when played towards fortissimo.

As a side note, I've personally not got any concerns about the sustaining quality of the Steinway voice, to the point that I'd forgotten it had even been mentioned here as a potential problem until I started this reply.

As far as the Rhodes is concerned, simply switching off the amp modelling will give you that more bell-like, less aggressive sound that people are talking about. Indeed, that's what I've done on both my default Rhodes and Wurli settings.

It still has quite prominent tines in the sound, though these can be toned down a little with EQ if you prefer. Bottom line: is it Everybody's Rhodes? Maybe not. Is it a selection of useful Rhodes sounds for most genres. Definitely.

Hmm - I see that Keys to the Hwy hasn't taken off his RH3 label. Will it affect my resale value if I take it off, I wonder? smile
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 04:17 PM

OK, here's a quick scratch recording I did with my Rhodes default sound. Might give a better idea than try to describe it in words.

Rhodes test
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 04:20 PM

So Aidan, nice review, but to which gigs do you take this or the GX? This appears to be fairly similar in tone and action to the m50-88 line. Im not knocking it, I think Korgs have some of the best sounds out there.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 04:36 PM

ADino, the idea is that the GX + Motif XS rack will come out when I need a much wider range of tonal palette, or maybe if someone wants a whole bunch of classical stuff.

Meanwhile, the Little Red Keyboard That Could will be used for everyday gigging, giving me lighter weight and smaller footprint, both of which are good things, yes?

Waiting on the case now, but they won't be available until January. So will have to pack out the 88 case with some foam inserts.

I will probably keep the V-stand for gigging. The Korg does have its own stand but it looks quite fiddly to assemble. And although it can also be stowed in the dedicated case, you're then adding more weight to the keyboard unit in and out.

The V-stand has its issues but the cable management keeps things looking neat (an important feature in the sort of stuff I'm typically doing), plus I've already invested in the music and mic stand add-ons, which again make for a neater, all in one solution.
Posted By: Keys to the Hwy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 04:48 PM

Hmm - I see that Keys to the Hwy hasn't taken off his RH3 label. Will it affect my resale value if I take it off, I wonder?

I has literally just received my unit the day that pic was taken and had not taken the sticker off, but I do have to admit I would ask premium if I ever sold it with the sticker...LOL.

BTW, I'm using a Nord Stage 76 soft case for my SV-1 and it works perfectly if you tuck down the side and rear flaps and use the front one to cover the keybed.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 04:53 PM

Thanks Aidan for your nice demo. The Rhodes there sounds like a Dyno-My-Piano Rhodes modification. Chuck Monte ran the company called Dyno-My-Piano that customized Rhodes extensively, giving them a bell-like sound had practically taken over the Top 40 and R&B airwaves. Herbie Hancock on the other hand mostly used a straight factory Rhodes sound that didn't have that enhanced bell quality.

Aidan's Rhodes demo:
http://www.artofpiano.co.uk/mp3s/rhodestest.mp3

Hancock's factory Rhodes sound:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOa4FPxBSco
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 04:54 PM

Cheers Keys! I've now actually significantly devalued mine now smile I just thought it wasn't particularly necessary for my fans to know what model keybed I favour...

Alas I sold my Nord 76 case with the keyboard itself. It isn't too long to manage so will hold out for the official case, I think. I also used to worry about that attractive red case standing out too much in the car!
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 05:13 PM

There's too much bell ping to this for me to use it as a primary Rhodes sound.
Posted By: Keys to the Hwy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 05:18 PM


what the fudge happened to this page?

I think the large Nord Piano post is causing the scroll problem. I should be corrected if the pic is removed/replaced.
I've sent the poster a PM
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 05:24 PM

Jazz, thanks for the link. I'll obviously be continuing to experiment and will post another demo if I think I get closer at any point.

Keys, I'm past the problem image now on this page. But I do wish people would look at the results after they post an image and adjust accordingly.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 06:14 PM

Thanks Aidan for your nice demo. The Rhodes there sounds like a Dyno-My-Piano Rhodes modification. Chuck Monte ran the company called Dyno-My-Piano that customized Rhodes extensively, giving them a bell-like sound had practically taken over the Top 40 and R&B airwaves. Herbie Hancock on the other hand mostly used a straight factory Rhodes sound that didn't have that enhanced bell quality.

Aidan's Rhodes demo:
http://www.artofpiano.co.uk/mp3s/rhodestest.mp3

Hancock's factory Rhodes sound:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOa4FPxBSco
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 06:19 PM

Originally Posted By: fjzingo
Just made a perfect copy of Herbies Butterfly rhodes on my nord stage.....




How so? Just the right combination of effects? Care to share your settings?
Posted By: WWW

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 06:21 PM

I just spent 2 hours playing the SV-1 at a local music store, through my QSC K12's. And I am sorry to say that I was disappointed. I know it is a matter of taste, but here are some observations:
1. The APs had very little presence and almost no sense of harmonics. They were, in short, kind of listless. The action was muddy and did not feel 'decisive,' for lack of a better word.
2. The EPs were better, but not very authentic. The auto-pan was misnamed 'tremelo,' and was very digital and harsh as it moved from left to right.
3. The organs were quite weak - not nearly up to spec of the current clonewheels.

The only 'pros' were the nice build quality, and small footprint.
I really wanted to like it, but the Nord Stage still is the one to beat on all counts - including its APs.
Posted By: fjzingo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Originally Posted By: fjzingo
Just made a perfect copy of Herbies Butterfly rhodes on my nord stage.....

Would you mind sharing with us how?


Just teasing you all a bit......

Use the Mk1 deep

pull in some delay, then some reverb....or choose either

Add amp model 1 and roll off a little high and add a little mid...

I can upload a patch on the Nord stage yahoo group tomorrow if I get the time..

Fred
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: wdl
The action was muddy and did not feel 'decisive,' for lack of a better word.

IMO, that defines the Nord Stage's action perfectly.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 06:30 PM

Thanks Fred.
Posted By: fjzingo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 06:48 PM

Thanks Aidan for you're demo and review, much appreciated, and good luck with you're new board. I like the bell sounds, I don't think it sound like the dyno-my -piano. More like the piano was sampled directly from the harp, anyhow the bell character is quite clear. (I use laptop computer speakers when listening to this demo)

It's easier to get a rhodes to cut when having these frequencies to play with. You could probably get the HH sound by lowering the high eq and bit get a bit of nose with the mid and then add some delay and/or reverb....some amp model can also help.

Heres the dyno-sound for you muddy rhodes piano lovers wink

http://www.fenderrhodes.com/audio/jrf/dyno-clean.mp3

Also have a listen to this silver top model rhodes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zirVk09rFiI



/Fredrik
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/22/09 07:29 PM

I 1st heard the Dyno on the 1st Jackets LP..at least thats I what I assumed...

Aidan, I tried the light thing going thru a few boards to attain that..still ended up w/the GX....ah jus been workin out!! Which doesnt seem to help hohoho...

Well good luck on your new board, hope it does everything you hope it will....I was thinking of buying myself a Christmas present also, I just cant get Santa to ante up the rest of the zero's for that certain Steinway....or the GT-R..or that little place on the beach....I may wait up for the little bugger come Christmas Eve...
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 06:54 AM

OK, so here's a second Rhodes test for you all which hopefully sounds a little less "Dyno". It was created by taking the "RX noises" all the way down, changing the velocity curve to it's "hardest" response and taming the treble in the EQ.

There's still an undoubted "bell characteristic" to the upper end but it's certainly a less aggressive sound.

Second Rhodes test

By the way, I found out this morning that you can adjust the relative volumes of the "Favourites" patches via the software editor.

What I would like is to be able to alter the default settings outside of the "Favourites" when selecting a certain sound. That would effectively create more user memory.

Jerry, any chance of this?
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 08:12 AM

And a further test recording, of the Steinway, tweaked a little for EQ and touch. I've let the final chord ring out as long as possible to give you an idea of the sustain.

Reasonably seasonal tune
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 08:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Aidan

By the way, I found out this morning that you can adjust the relative volumes of the "Favourites" patches via the software editor.

What I would like is to be able to alter the default settings outside of the "Favourites" when selecting a certain sound. That would effectively create more user memory.

Jerry, any chance of this?


Sure, you can edit every location of the SV-1 using the Editor, not just tweaking the sound but actually even overwriting them with other sounds.

Editing any location can be done and then saved using the Write Preset button on the lower right side of the Editor.

To overwrite a location you can Back-up sounds, open up the Back-up and then drag a sound from the Back-up to any of the 36 locations (or to a Favorite, of course). Try it and let me know how you're getting on.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 09:11 AM

Hi Jerry, that's great - thanks.

I wonder, can you add any info for us about the matching stand? Specifically, how long does it typically take to assemble, and what's the weight of that like?

Loving it so far, btw!
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 10:28 AM

I just attached an expression pedal to the SV-1 to control the Wah - simply great :-) You just get addicted to it. The response is just as you would expect when using a "real" Wah - even when not using the genuine Korg expression pedal.
As it works like a filter, you can also use it to create a "less belly-like" sound.

One more comment on the Nord Piano: it looks to me like a quick "Copy-Paste" action from Clavia, selecting the paste option "match destination formatting" ;-)
Seriously: I always admired Clavia for their innovative products (Nord Lead, Nord Modular, Nord Electro, Nord Stage were all great innovations when they were launched) - but I cannot see anything innovative looking at the Nord Piano. Clavia is now definetly in a defense/ 2nd mover position which does neither combine with their image nor with their pricing...
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 10:48 AM

piano has never been Nord's strong suit, but let's wait and see.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 11:25 AM

Hmm. Regarding the matching stand, just found the assembly brochure on the Korg site. It states that two people and a spanner are needed to assemble it. That rules it out for me - sticking with the V.
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 11:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
[...] assembly brochure on the Korg site. It states that two people and a spanner are needed to assemble it. [...]

That does not seem very comfortable - I ordered the stand because it fits into the genuine SV-1 bag which I thought was very helpful... But 2 persons for assembly?! Maybe it would be better to cancel the order and look out for something else...
:-(
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 12:09 PM

It looks to me like the stand is more aimed at semi-permanent locations, masterjam. I guess it might just be possible to do it with one person if you laid the piano on its side, attached the stand, then righted it yourself - Jerry?
Posted By: Nillerbabs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 12:47 PM

Don't know about this one, but attaching the custom legs to the Nord Stage isn't much of a problem - I just take out the legs, open the gigbag, turn over the Stage so it's lying on its back, screw in the legs, then lift it up to playing position. The latter can be a little complicated and is a lot easier when someone's helping you, but it definitely can be done. OTOH, don't need no spanner...
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 01:28 PM

Aidan, thanks for posting these demos. The Steinway sounds quite good, though the decay is a bit short. How do you think the mono version compares?
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 01:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
And a further test recording, of the Steinway, tweaked a little for EQ and touch. I've let the final chord ring out as long as possible to give you an idea of the sustain.

Reasonably seasonal tune


Nice playing Aidan. It sounds very good there, I can guarantee it did not sound THAT good through the Beyerdynamic 880 phones yesterday---maybe I need to hear it through speakers like you said, I'll definitely give it another shot at some point in time.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 02:07 PM

Is the "Steinway" piano #1 or #2 ?
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 02:26 PM

Nillerbabs, yeah had a Stage myself so know that's fairly simple.

D-Bon, Mono sample on my studio monitors sounds a bit compressed but useable - will let you know once I've tried it out at my gig tonight.

Dave, not got the manual to hand right now but I think it's the second of the two APs.
Posted By: fjzingo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 03:56 PM

I listened to you're rhodes demos again in my studio monitors, really nice sound with the vibrato on smile

You tamed the upper register pretty well with the eq and changed the sound.

The SV-1 got a killer rhodes sound!

The settings of the tines plays an enormous role for the sound and I guess Ideal is the setting used(correct me if I am wrong about the setting of the tines) so I would try if test different sample sets if there are more to get closer.

The preamp on the rhodes does a major difference to the sound the mark 1 is quite muddy, mark two less so. I used to have a preamp from vintagebua in norway and used it on my mark 1, guess what dynosound smile. I'll see if I can get that one repaired.

/fred





Originally Posted By: Aidan
OK, so here's a second Rhodes test for you all which hopefully sounds a little less "Dyno". It was created by taking the "RX noises" all the way down, changing the velocity curve to it's "hardest" response and taming the treble in the EQ.

There's still an undoubted "bell characteristic" to the upper end but it's certainly a less aggressive sound.

Second Rhodes test

By the way, I found out this morning that you can adjust the relative volumes of the "Favourites" patches via the software editor.

What I would like is to be able to alter the default settings outside of the "Favourites" when selecting a certain sound. That would effectively create more user memory.

Jerry, any chance of this?
Posted By: ITGITC?

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 05:06 PM

I had about 3 minutes with this keyboard today at GC.

So now I'm thinking:

1. PC3
2. Korg SV-1
25. NE3


Yeah, the NE3 dropped to #25 because I just can't play piano on that synth action keyboard. And the AP sounds on the Korg aren't bad.
Posted By: Morizzle

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 05:31 PM

Originally Posted By: ITGITC?

1. PC3
2. Korg SV-1
25. NE3


Shun the non-believer, shun!!! With all that Clavia hatin' going on on this forum (I think it's a conspiracy fired by you, Tom, you PC3-o-phile) I think I'm going to have to post some gig reports.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 08:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
It looks to me like the stand is more aimed at semi-permanent locations, masterjam. I guess it might just be possible to do it with one person if you laid the piano on its side, attached the stand, then righted it yourself - Jerry?


I've always assembled the stand by myself, and the rolling carrying case we made has a compartment for the stand, so it can certainly be moved around. After it is assembled the first time it simply folds up, no dis-assembly/re-assembly required.

I've always stood the stand up, placed the SV carefully over the screw holes and tightened. The hand screws have a cotter pin holding them in place when the piano is not on the stand so it works out pretty well.

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Is the "Steinway" piano #1 or #2 ?


#1 Bright Japanese Grand
#2 Smooth European Grand

:-)

regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: ITGITC?

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 09:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Mo 'Wurst
Originally Posted By: ITGITC?

1. PC3
2. Korg SV-1
25. NE3


Shun the non-believer, shun!!! With all that Clavia hatin' going on on this forum (I think it's a conspiracy fired by you, Tom, you PC3-o-phile) I think I'm going to have to post some gig reports.



grin

OH. No no no no no no no.... I don't HATE the NE3! HATE is a strong word. I really LIKE the NE3.

But I like the action on the SV-1 better... particularly for AP sounds.

And the PC3 is still at the top because of its bang for the buck - so many great sounds.

Plus, the depth of VAST programming, pristine effects, drawbar simulation, S/PDIF output...

And a great sound design & support team that hang out on Sonikmatter.

There's a history and a lineage that goes all the way back to being able to use even K2000 data to build current programs on the PC3K. I've got a bunch of those.

But no, I think the NE3 is a fine board. As for the SV-1, Aidan's demos are fantastic. And WHO KNEW that he was going to buy one of these for himself?

That rascal. snax
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 09:01 PM

Originally Posted By: wdl

2.The auto-pan was misnamed 'tremelo,'...



It's spelled Tremolo on the front panel. As for that being mis-named, that's a matter of taste/perception. To be most accurate it's a stereo tremolo, since we are modulating amplitude, not just panning.

But here's something to make you go hmmm... On the original suitcase Rhodes the effect was called Vibrato...

!??!?!?!?

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: ITGITC?

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/23/09 09:14 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
Originally Posted By: wdl

2.The auto-pan was misnamed 'tremelo,'...



It's spelled Tremolo on the front panel. As for that being mis-named, that's a matter of taste/perception. To be most accurate it's a stereo tremolo, since we are modulating amplitude, not just panning.

But here's something to make you go hmmm... On the original suitcase Rhodes the effects was called Vibrato...

!??!?!?!?

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy



WTF? freak

What were they THINKING?

EVERYBODY knows it's spelled Vibreto which, if you would take just un momento and look it up in

Ye Old Farting Musician's Guide To Electric Pianos That Only THEY Can Mumember How They REALLY Sounded,

you would find that it means The Herbie Rhodes sound out of the box (a sound that Herbie hardly ever uses). wink

Why come you not know this? cool
Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/24/09 03:51 AM

Originally Posted By: masterjam
I just attached an expression pedal to the SV-1 to control the Wah - simply great :-) You just get addicted to it. The response is just as you would expect when using a "real" Wah - even when not using the genuine Korg expression pedal.


Woooooooord. There is not one single keyboardist on staff at the shop where I had the chance to demo it (PITA), but the guy I was talking to said they were all going over and just playing with the wah. The first thing any of the other employees said when they heard the name "SV-1" mentioned was "Did you try out the wah? Man! Fantastic!"
Posted By: FunkKeysStuff

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/25/09 01:03 AM

Possibly dumb question: What board is the "80's Synth Piano" sound (E. Piano 2 bank, sound #5) meant to emulate? The description is, "An innovative, accurate and expressive piano sound, created in the late 80s with a popular digital keyboard/synthesizer." To my ears, it sounds to realistic to be a D-50, but not metallic enough to be an M1. Any hints?
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/26/09 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: FunkKeysStuff
Possibly dumb question: What board is the "80's Synth Piano" sound (E. Piano 2 bank, sound #5) meant to emulate? The description is, "An innovative, accurate and expressive piano sound, created in the late ’80s with a popular digital keyboard/synthesizer." To my ears, it sounds to realistic to be a D-50, but not metallic enough to be an M1. Any hints?


Look at this:
http://www.tastenwelt.de/test_korg_sv-1.0.html
http://www.tastenwelt.de/uploads/pics/korg_sv-1_sound.jpg
http://www.tastenwelt.de/uploads/pics/korg_sv-1_fx.jpg

This is from a German well known keyboard magazine - the gallery pics reveal their (?!) opinion of the fx and sounds. Acutally, I don't know, if everythin is correct - they stated that the "Other (6) - 6" -Sound (as used by Van Halen) is a Jupiter. I always believed that the "Jump"-Sound is generated by an Oberheim OBX-A ?!?
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/26/09 05:10 PM

So they think it is an MKS-20? Hopefully preset 3 - although sampling it destroys its appeal, which is seamless touch response due to the SA synthesis engine.
Posted By: Morizzle

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/26/09 07:11 PM

Hi guys,

someone one a German keyboard forum made some comparative mp3s between the SV1 and a real Wurly and Rhodes.

http://www.musiker-board.de/vb/digitalpianos/349191-korg-sv1-7.html#post4370007

Interesting.
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/26/09 08:15 PM

Had mine just under a week, it's got a great action and is as good as and better than the stage pianos in most respects, but it still falls way short of the Scarbee soundsets. Herbies tone is nailed with Scarbee. The Scarbee clavinet is far more detailed. However I have took it as what it is, a great stage piano in hardware format which will ease my setups.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 02:53 AM

The SV1 Rhodes sounds like a digital rompler Rhodes to me, not really much like the real Rhodes in these side by side recordings of Misty:

http://www.musiker-board.de/vb/digitalpianos/349191-korg-sv1-7.html#post4370007
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 03:22 AM

Jazz+, have you actually played one yet? If not, I encourage you to find one if you have the time and opportunity.

I've got a real Rhodes upstairs, and have played the SV-1 several times. I gotta tell you, if I had the money right now I'd have no problem buying and gigging one for my staples - Acoustic Piano, Rhodes and Wurli.

Is it perfect? No. Does the best software still beat it? Yep. Does it play with that connectedness that elevates it to an actual instrument? Certainly does.
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 05:19 AM

That's the key, I went in knowing that it would not beat the Scarbee stuff in terms of detail and was happy doing so, neither does Nord, I wanted the best hardware board for that soundset, and for me it works great. I haven't even loaded the editor on my computer yet so my first impressions are not totally formed.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 08:02 AM

OK, more impressions after three gigs:

Gig one was piano/vocal for Christmas guests at a hotel in Nottingham. SV-1 was fed in stereo into my Yamaha mixer, then everything out to two JBL EON10s.

To be honest, I was so out of my comfort zone at this gig (Christmas stuff I should have really rehearsed more, plus first time playing and singing without a walking split bass line most of the time) that I didn't really take much notice of the sound I was putting. However, it sounded OK to these ears. I mostly just used the main Steinway all night, using piano/pad for a couple of numbers.

That venue is a bastard to get into - round the back, take equipment up a hoist, then up a goods lift, then through the kitchens down a corridor - and I certainly appreciated the lower weight of the SV-1.

Gig two was also supposed to be piano/vocal but they switched my venue to the bar, meaning space was at a premium, and by then I'd developed a full-on chest infection, making it more or less impossible to sing. Luckily, the manager was fine with me just doing piano solo, so I bought a minimal rig in - just the SV-1 and one JBL.

I began by trying out the mono piano for a few numbers but, as I suspected listening over studio monitors, this sounds far too aggressive for most solo jazz stuff. Fine in a rock setting, though.

I'm not sure whether being able to adjust the velocity curve over a wider range would help, or whether there's just a whole load of compression on the sound.

Instead, I switched back to the stereo Steinway. I'd set this up with some EQ adjustments and it sounded a bit boxy and unnatural at first, but then I cancelled the EQ altogether and running it totally flat, this sounded pretty good. Not the greatest piano sound in the world, but one you could certainly live with.

One slight issue which did raise its head at this gig is the velocity response of the Steinway sample's lower end. Occasionally I would go to play a bass note quietly and it wouldn't sound at all. Maybe I just need to get used to it, but there appears to be a little unevenness there. Stereo Steinway all night.

Gig three was last night, same place, same bar. Same setup, but I allowed myself the luxury of bringing in a second speaker. It did make a big difference to these ears, and the Steinway sounded almost as good as over my studio monitors. The subtleties of the bass response appeared easier to handle, too.

Last night I did try some Rhodes on a couple of songs. The original Rhodes patch I posted a demo of earlier on in this thread just didn't work for me in this situation - sounded like a collection of doorbells. Whether it would sit better in a band mix, we'll have to see - I'm doing a quintet gig on Tuesday so will report further then. Instead, I went for the patch in my second demo, which did sound pretty good solo.

So far, so good, then. But now we come to a major concern, one which has been raised earlier in this thread.

In all three gigs, at some point in the evening (and at one gig more than once) I have managed to inadvertently change or modify patches while playing. Maybe I just have a messy technique, I don't know, but I've been engrossed in a solo when suddenly my Steinway turns into a Rhodes.

This has obviously sounded awful and made me look bad. I don't need a keyboard to do that - I can do that myself!

Jerry, I think you indicated that you were working on some kind of work-around for this - well, please get it done asap, because this is a major issue.

I hope you're not just thinking of some kind of "panel lock" feature, because that would just cripple half the functionality of the SV-1.

Personally, I think there needs to perhaps be some way of switching the board into a "security mode". This could then operate in two ways:

1) For the buttons to work, the user would also need to hold down the "function" key at the same time.

2) A more elegant solution, if the hardware allows it, would be to make it so that you had to "double click" the buttons to change their status, rather like in a mouse double click.

Jerry, do either of these sound feasible to you?

And while you're at it, can we not have some way of adjusting individual relative patch volumes on the keyboard rather than just in the editor?
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 12:46 PM

Jazz+,

It's obvious that the SV-1 isn't for you. Move along, move along...

deadhorse
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 01:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The SV1 Rhodes sounds like a digital rompler Rhodes to me, not really much like the real Rhodes in these side by side recordings of Misty:

http://www.musiker-board.de/vb/digitalpianos/349191-korg-sv1-7.html#post4370007


I actually thought the SV-1 held up rather well when compared to the real things.

Scarbee is definitely the gold standard when it comes to fake Rhodes sounds. However, it took some considerable tweaking with various VKFX to get the sound I was looking for. Knowing that the SV-1 is very tweakable gives me some hope that it can be tailored to get pretty close to whatever sound I am looking for ("Manchild" era Herbie).

I might have to pick one up for a trial run.
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 02:13 PM

Hey Jerry,

I see the SV-1 bags listed on European sites but not on any American music store sites. Any way to get one of the special cases in the U.S.?

Thanks,

Mitch
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 02:27 PM

I played the SV-1 yesterday and left totally confused. Not sure how Korg could have put the time and effort into making the thing and yet got so many things so completely wrong, particularly with the Electro as a prime example of what works. First things first - I only tried the APs and the EPs. I don't have any interest in the 'extra' sounds.

The action was pretty darn good. Felt solid and playable. The acoustic pianos sounded like Korg's best effort to date, but they still sound like Korg pianos, particularly in the fortissimo range where they become incredibly brittle and strident. While this is typical of every Korg piano sound I've heard to date, at least it doesn't really start to rear its ugly head until you reach the upper end of the velocity range. The Rhodes was just too much, too barky, too bright, and the layers switched too obviously for as many layers as they claim to have put in the thing. In some ways fewer layers can be less obvious. While the raw Rhodes sound will appeal to lots of folks, it's just nowhere near what I like. I like the darker, earlier Rhodes tones. This is a prime example of where Korg went horribly wrong with this board - you can't load in a different Rhodes. The (virtually) decade old Electro offers 4 different Rhodes from which you can choose. Load in the one or two you want, three even if you want to sacrifice another sound, any you're good to go. Huge oversight by Korg, and after playing the SV-1, it feels like an even bigger oversight. Next comes the Wurly, which I liked the most of all the sounds, yet still was too strident for my ears.

The effects. Major F- all the way around. I don't care what they sound like. The notched knobs are stupid. Again, the Electro's continuous control should have been the model. It's not as if standard pots haven't been around for a while. The SV-1 even uses a standard pot for the volume control - go figure. The change from one notch to the next is just too extreme, and it doesn't allow you to "play" the effects. I don't care what you can do in an editor - if the thing is supposed to be a performance instrument, make it a performance instrument. Don't hide shit in editors.

These things will sell, sure. Just not to me. Way too many mistakes that beta testing with a few gigging players would have resolved. Even just asking folks on this forum, particularly Electro owners and those who find fault with the Electro would have yielded a pretty focused bunch of pros and cons on which to build a very powerful "Electro-killer". Heck, Clavia even screwed up with the Electro 3. Anyway, I really wanted to like this thing so much that my credit card would fly out of my pocket and I'd be left to explain to my wife what just happened. Instead I just left confused....
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 03:04 PM

The Rhodes sound is quite bright and barky, not my personal tone, but Im hoping to eq it sufficient and do something with the velocity curve. As sick and twisted as it sounds, Im looking forward to trying the keyboard with Scarbee. I love the action.

It might work if the hardest velocity layer samples were removed to tame that bark.
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 03:20 PM

Originally Posted By: kanker.
The effects. Major F- all the way around. I don't care what they sound like.


So what is important for any effects if not the sound?!? What is the benefit of other knobs than those built in into the SV-1 when you just want to turn the effects off anytime because of a disgusting sound?! I think concerning a musical instrument, sound is always first. Do you really need a completely stepless change of effects?

I used the SV-1 on 3 gigs now playing in a more "unplugged" setup(a Rhode or CP-70 unplugged?! No questions on this please ;-) - anyway: together with classic instruments such as violin, flute, etc.). To my mind (and the colleagues' and audiences' mind as well) the Rhodes, Japanese Grand and also the CP-70 sounds (I hardly use anything else) can be played very expressively on the very good keybed and the sounds fit in very good - even the "belly like" Rhodes.
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 03:45 PM

Originally Posted By: kanker.
Not sure how Korg could have put the time and effort into making the thing and yet got so many things so completely wrong, particularly with the Electro as a prime example of what works.

[...]

The notched knobs are stupid. Again, the Electro's continuous control should have been the model.


I think that the "Clavia vs. Korg" topics start getting tiring and exhausted. Of course, a Nord fan will try to find 1000 things in order to justify his decision and to not regret the money spent.
For my purposes the Electro never did it because of the keybed that is simply not piano compatible, the very weak acoustic piano samples, the Rhodes that I did not like sufficiently (maybe as well due to the organ keybed and therefore the unrealistic response) and the not that convincing CP-70.

I really apreciated the notched knobs with the LEDs during live performance (also for the effects). Very helpful that you see what you get before touching the keys...
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 03:48 PM

I read a review somewhere online (just looked for it...can't find it) where they pointed out that Korg, for some reason, programmed the initial patches with the RFX cranked. This was probably to showcase that particular feature. However, the reviewer said, this makes the sounds very exaggerated and hard to play. He went on to say that once you dial those things back and eq the board a bit that it plays and sounds much more realistic.

My initial impressions at the Korg videos reflected what this reviewer said. They seemed to be way too jumpy and noisy (especially the Wurly). From reading what some of the owners have posted on here, it sounds like this board can be personalized to better deliver the Rhodes and Wurly sounds a person is looking for. Maybe some of the owners can give more insight into this.

I will find out soon myself. smile
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 04:01 PM

Calumet, I'd say that is definitely the case. I've yet to work too much on the Wurli, but easing back both the RX noises and effects has helped a lot on both the Rhodes and the APs for me.

Sorry, Jerry, another question when you get round to looking back here. Can you tell us how much the stand weighs?
Posted By: ITGITC?

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 04:18 PM

PC3 thu
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By: masterjam
Do you really need a completely stepless change of effects?
Yes, I do. I play the effects. I use them in realtime. Steps don't allow for fluid change. There is no good reason in 2009 to have stepped pots on an instrument this expensive, nor for the effects to be slave to those steps.

It's great that you like the SV-1, but compared to an instrument that is one of it's main competitors, and that has been on the market for nearly 10 years, the SV-1 misses the boat IMO because of bad decisions on Korg's part. As I said, so does the Electro 3. The blueprint was there for both of these manufacturers, and they both messed it up.
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/27/09 05:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
The original Rhodes patch I posted a demo of earlier on in this thread just didn't work for me in this situation - sounded like a collection of doorbells.

Another example of how amplification exposes things. laugh

So Aidan, I'd like to know which sounded better, the doorbells of Korg or chimes of Big Ben. grin

masterjam, in reading kanker's review of the SV-1, even as a proponent of the Nord Electro Rack, he was ready to whip out the credit card if the SV-1 met his needs and he also felt Nord missed the mark in certain aspects of the NE3.

Overall, I think he gave his unbiased opinion of the SV-1 from the perspective of a gigging muso of many years who owns everything from a real Rhodes to Electro and other KBs too. cool
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/28/09 03:10 AM

I heard a guy playing a SV1 today through a PA at a sound check. The Rhodes sounded nice but the AP didn't sound very good to me, sort of harsh, much preferred the tone of the AP my FP4 I had. I got to try the action of the SV1 when it was turned off and it reminded me somewhat of how recent Studio Logic actions feel.
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/28/09 03:44 AM

Jazz+ - did you get rid of your FP4? Just curious, your sig still has it. I know you seemed to love that axe.

The funny thing about that Korg "RH3" action or whatever they call it...I played it on the M3-88 and absolutely hated it. I was so disappointed when the SV1 was first announced, I figured it was going to be an automatic "pass" with that dog action.

But when I actually played one, whatever they've done (I suppose a combo of velocity curves, sensitivity or whatever), I never would have identified the SV1's as the same action as the M3-88.

Which is why I noted earlier you ought to play one before deciding what you think one way or another. For me at least, it connects as an actual instrument.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/28/09 09:42 AM

I'll agree with Kevin that there are some bad misses in the SV-1. I'm guessing the reason for the step controls is recall of positions by showing the LEDs - in this case, the Stage stepped controls are better.

It would have also been nice to have had flash memory for the sounds so we could upload new ones.

But I'm guessing both those choices would have made the SV-1 significantly more expensive.

Will everyone like the pianos? Don't make me laugh. Is there every Rhodes sound you need on there? Perhaps not.

What we do have here, though, is a compact, relatively lightweight package which offers a broad range of some of the most popular piano sounds, many of which I rate pretty highly.

One thing I would say is that the SV-1 has this in common with the RD700GX; as delivered, the presets are not that impressive. Most users will need to play with the EQ, RX effects and amp models to start getting the best out of this board. It also appears to be more impressive through monitors than through headphones.

I guess there was so much GAS over this thing that the backlash was inevitable. We saw the same with the GX. But that doesn't suddenly make the SV-1 a piece of junk.

It won't be for everyone - it might be for you.
Posted By: Mike Warren

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/28/09 09:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Aidan

I guess there was so much GAS over this thing that the backlash was inevitable. We saw the same with the GX.


IMO that this is the case with pretty much any keyboard on forums.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/30/09 06:44 AM

Just a quick shout out - as I head out of the door for my first of two gigs today and the third and fourth of six this week - to say that the SV-1 kicks ass in a band situation, on the evidence of last night's Feels Like Midnight gig.

Fuller report follows at the weekend, hopefully!
Posted By: Fusker

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/30/09 07:17 AM

Getting tempted here!!
Posted By: FunkKeysStuff

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/30/09 10:43 AM

After several weeks of gigging, I concur with Aidan.

Latest discovery: E. Piano 2 Bank, Variation 1, + Amp 3, Drive at 2, + Tremolo, Speed at 8, Intensity at 4 = Donnie Hathaway's Wurlitzer.
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/30/09 11:11 AM

After the first weeks of enthusiasm, there are unfortunately some things that at least bother me (maybe there's somebody out there who'S of the same opinion):

1.: The SV-1 Editor: is it really necessary to turn/ modify knobs using a computer mouse? The GUI looks nice but after all, faders could be used more intuitively on a computer. A functionality that allows to change the mod from "keyboard-nob-style" to "computer-fader-style" should be programmable in Java with low effort.
Furthermore it would be nice to be able to directly input/type the desired values into the value-text-boxes (currently read only - just displaying the selected value).

2.: The Amp models: I have been using the AmpliTube Fender Edition extensively for my software instuments etc. - e.g. together with the Prominy CP-80 samples. The presets already created a warm, smooth and pleasant sound so that few modifications were necessary. The SV-1 amps are sometimes really disappointing. How come that every sound gets thin and sharp when turning an amp simulation on?! Would it be possible to create a handful of useful amp presets that is useful directly from the start without having to attach a notebook and spent a lot of time editing?

This might be nitty-gritty things to some persons, but I do not have the time and patience to spent hours and hours with a software editor to get the sound right. Unfortunately I do have a very time-consuming and exhausting job and I bought the SV-1 for leisure/ recreation & some few and small concerts/ gigs. The idea was NOT to attach computers/ etc. anymore to keyboards before being able to play and enjoy...
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/30/09 01:25 PM

This is another drive-by report, but I spent a little time with an sv-1 at the GC in Dallas central, and am impressed with the range of the effects. I think you could make this instrument sound like just about anything you want just turning knobs. the straight, flat ep-1 sound, zero effects, I like. I think I am back on board, pending release of the cp-5.
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/31/09 12:20 AM

Why can't someone just put the Scarbee samples in a box with no latency? I'd buy it!
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/31/09 01:40 AM

Well, I finally got a chance to play the SV-1. Korg has joined the bread and butter fray in a major way with this KB.

The action is nice. It doesn't have the sound I usually associate with Korg. It still reminds me of a ROMpler but with a very good limited soundset.

The 'other' sounds will work in a pinch. But, the SV-1 excels within it's selling point i.e. EP, AP and Clav. Also, I think the organs will suffice for those who do not pull drawbars and/or kick pedals.

The SV-1 will certainly appeal to performance-oriented KB players. Especially those who have been relying on ROMplers and synths filled with more sounds and features than they really want or need.

Nord has competition. The SV-1 has the right action and sounds at a reasonable price. If I were in the market for this type of KB, I'd seriously consider it. Otherwise, I'd definitely encourage KB players to take it for a spin. cool
Posted By: keyguy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/31/09 07:21 AM

Where did you play it? I'm in DC this weekend. Levin's?
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/31/09 09:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Calumet
Why can't someone just put the Scarbee samples in a box with no latency? I'd buy it!


it's called a Muse Receptor, which quite happily runs them at a buffer of 32. smile
Posted By: ProfD

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/31/09 10:35 AM

Originally Posted By: keyguy
Where did you play it? I'm in DC this weekend. Levin's?

That is correct. thu

The SV-1 is in the back left corner of the Korg part of the store. The sound is coming through a pair of Tannoy Active monitors. Not the beloved KC350. laugh cool
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/31/09 01:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Calumet
Why can't someone just put the Scarbee samples in a box with no latency? I'd buy it!


Yes, Muse Receptor...still a really good box.
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/31/09 02:38 PM

Well, I did my own in-home test drive of the SV-1 yesterday and I already have it packed up in the box for return. Here is my overview and comparison to my Nord Stage.


- The Rhodes sound, which was the main thing I was attracted to, is very good and detailed. However, around the A above middle C, the sample changes to become way more bellish, so much so that it really stands out compared to the notes around middle C. Kind of like having two different Rhodes pianos on one keyboard. I didn't like this and it is what prevents you from getting the "dark Herbie" sound. The Rhodes sound is more detailed than the Rhodes in the Nord Stage...but is somehow not as inviting to me. The velocity switching is more noticeable on the SV-1 also.

- The amp simulations are immensely tweakable with the software. You can really get some different sounds with the various combinations. I wish the Nord had that.

- I did not like the keyboard action. As others have said, it is just a little bit spongy and doesn't quite return fast enough.

- The Wurly is awful. This was a big strike against the SV-1 since I play a lot of Wurly in my band. It sounds synthetic and fake and no amount of amp tweaking can change that. The Nord destroys the SV-1 in this category.

- The RX effects seem more like a gimmick than anything else. I really don't think they add that level of realism that Korg would like to say they do. I tended to turn them way down. The pedal effect with the piano was especially useless.

- The pianos are fine. Not great. Not crappy. Just fine. However, the sustain on held notes is ridiculously long and, as they pointed out in the Keyboard Magazine review, you can hear obvious loop points. I have never had a keyboard where the loop points were so obvious. Bad form.

In conclusion, I was unable to convince myself that the SV-1 would really replace my Nord Stage. The Rhodes is a bit more detailed in the SV-1, but not so much so that I would be happy with all the other issues with the SV-1, especially the Wurly. I was like Kanker...I REALLY wanted this board to be awesome...so much so that I put it on the card sight unseen...and I got a great deal on it. However, I also have a 45 day return window which I will be using in the next couple days. I will be sticking with the Nord Stage and looking forward to the new Nord Rhodes samples coming sometime after NAMM.

Mitch
Posted By: Fusker

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/31/09 07:30 PM

Pretty interesting. My experience with player view points on the SV has to date been 100% as follows: Owners of a Nord Stage don't like it. Non-Nord Users love it. Is there no inbetween out there? My next board is going to be either the the Electro 3 73, or the 73 version of the SV-1. I haven't been able to try either one yet, but I'm guessing it will come down to which action works for me.
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/31/09 08:37 PM

Fusker, as an owner of the Electro 3, I can tell you for sure that the E3 action is not suited to piano or electric piano sounds. It is very hard to control. For organ, it is awesome.
Posted By: Bronks

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/31/09 08:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Calumet
Fusker, as an owner of the Electro 3, I can tell you for sure that the E3 action is not suited to piano or electric piano sounds. It is very hard to control. For organ, it is awesome.


Yes, that's what I was wondering too. Those keyboards are for different needs.
Posted By: Fusker

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 12/31/09 08:58 PM

I want a second board that's lighter than my XS8 for rehearsals and a solid/great addition to my XS8 for when I use both. So high utility is a good thing, but I don't need a lot of bells and whistles. I really don't see these two as serving that different of a purpose in my scenario. The Nord is half the weight of the SV-1, but I'm guessing has keys that may drive me nuts. The utility of the two is a wash in my opinion, so it will be a weight vs. action debate for me.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/01/10 04:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Fusker
Pretty interesting. My experience with player view points on the SV has to date been 100% as follows: Owners of a Nord Stage don't like it.
I don't own a Stage, and I don't like the SV-1 wink
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/01/10 12:19 PM

I dunno. I kinda liked the way the lights for all the settings changed and "rotated" when you go from one sound to another. That was pretty cool. wink
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/01/10 12:56 PM

I dont own a Stage...n I dont like the SV1..then again, I dont like the Stage either..
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/01/10 01:37 PM

Originally Posted By: kanker.
Originally Posted By: Fusker
Pretty interesting. My experience with player view points on the SV has to date been 100% as follows: Owners of a Nord Stage don't like it.
I don't own a Stage, and I don't like the SV-1 wink


If A then B does not imply if not A then not B.

Therefore your lack of Stage ownership does not disqualify you from disliking the SV-1, according to this theory.

I'm sure you are relieved. wink
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/01/10 03:50 PM

Lol...thanks for confusing me even more...what year is this?
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/01/10 03:50 PM

Oh n by the way, Im not really dissen any boards, they all have something good to offer..
Posted By: richwhite9

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/01/10 04:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Fusker
Pretty interesting. My experience with player view points on the SV has to date been 100% as follows: Owners of a Nord Stage don't like it.


That suggests there are limits to bad taste but Starbucks is still in business to refute that.
Posted By: mebush

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/01/10 05:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Calumet
- The Rhodes sound, which was the main thing I was attracted to, is very good and detailed. However, around the A above middle C, the sample changes to become way more bellish, so much so that it really stands out compared to the notes around middle C. Kind of like having two different Rhodes pianos on one keyboard. I didn't like this

I agree with this completely, but I think I've found a way to tweak the sound via the editor to compensate for the unevenness of the samples. Mitch - you might want to (get it out of the box again and) try these settings:



For my Wurlitzer sound I've adopted FunkKeysStuff's suggestion earlier in this thread re Donny Hathaway's Wurlitzer - it sounds great to me - although I prefer a little more amp drive personally:
E. Piano 2 Bank, Variation 1, + Amp 3, Drive at 2, + Tremolo, Speed at 8, Intensity at 4 = Donnie Hathaway's Wurlitzer.
Posted By: toad

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/02/10 12:01 AM

I've got an sv-1 on route for delivery on the 5th. I also own a nord stage 73 which I'm gett'n tired of the action. Now listening to you guys it sounds like I'm in for trouble. The shipping already got screwed-up, and it didn't make it in for my long weekend off from work. My Fantom X-8 is just too big and heavy to gig with. Oh Well, if I have to ship it back I will. Too bad no one makes a two tier board with both hammond and piano action!
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/02/10 01:22 AM

Mebush,

I appreciate the suggestion and the time you took to make the screen capture! However, I have already passed judgement on the SV-1 and, actually, trying it out really has made me appreciate my Nord Stage 76.
Posted By: Fusker

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/02/10 04:21 AM

well, now that we cleared that all up...
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/02/10 05:11 AM

Yep, might have known it needs the "California" setting. :-)
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/02/10 12:12 PM

OK, as promised, some more comments from a few gigs in with my SV-1.

First of all, I should mention just how convenient a combination of weight and form factor this keyboard is in its 73-note version. Certainly, in venues here in the UK, allocated performance spaces seem to get smaller and smaller all the time, so the modest stage footprint of the Korg is a real asset.

On Monday 28th, I was called to do a last-minute job up in Manchester, solo piano in a hotel restaurant. Because the get-in was so awkward (city centre, no nearby parking), I decided to run with just the one JBL monitor.

Unfortunately, this brought home to me that the SV-1 is really not a good mono board. Without the balance of the other speaker, both the acoustic pianos were simply too aggressive. The mono piano, unfortunately, suffers even more in this respect. I got through the gig but it wasn't a happy experience.

The following night was a quintet gig, and here the Korg came into its own, as the space allocated to five musicians was just ludicrous. As we began to play, I began to appreciate the SV-1's capabilities even more. Perhaps because the pianos are generally brighter than my RD700GX, it seemed to "sit" better in the band mix, yet I could still play expressively.

The EPs were great, and adding a little edge with the amp modelling allowed me to get funky and compete on equal terms with the guitarist. Even the bell-laden tone of my "Rhodes 1" sample earlier in this thread suddenly made sense in a band setting, whereas I'd found it unusable solo a few days before.

Overall, none of these are the most subtle sounds in the world, but in the reality of less-than-perfect sound found in most spaces, they worked well and I had a lot of compliments from the rest of the band about how I sounded and played.

This was followed by four more solo gigs, one using a top-end Clavinova supplied at a venue for an afternoon wedding. Very nice instrument, and I was wary about how the SV-1 might compare at my next gig that evening, but to my surprise it still felt pretty good under my fingers.

It's been stereo all the way since my gig in Manchester, btw. NYE I did some piano-vocal at a restaurant near my home - again, I mostly dug the sound, though I did find myself EQ-ing the EPs a bit. Last night, the final gig in this run, they wanted some stuff to dance to, so I took along my iPod and streamed in some backing tracks. Again, in this "virtual band", the piano sat really nicely and I enjoyed the chance to put in some extended soloing on some of the Abersold stuff.

So, that's the report from the "frontline", as it were. Now I'm back home, with time to evaluate the Korg, and in the meantime it seems to have been taking a fair amount of stick. So what do I think now?

Let's talk about the negatives first.

Firstly, I can't say with hand on heart that any of the sounds on this board are class leaders.

The acoustic pianos are decent but can't compete with my GX for complexity and depth. They can get a little forceful, no doubt about it, and there's a spot round about C5 where the sample has a rather unpleasant metallic feel to it. The bottom end could do with more presence and a more even response.

The EPs are good but not as varied in their tonal possibilities as those on the Nord Electro and Stage, mainly because I suspect that you're really only getting one sample each of Rhodes and Wurlis.

The amp modelling can be problematic. Using the "Drive" function on the Stage, it was possible to get clean-sounding EPs which just had a little dirt and bite when dug into hard. On the Korg, it appears to be either the famine or the feast. If you use the drive lightly, you get thin-sounding, trebly pianos. Bring up the drive to give yourself a more substantial-sounding source sound and it distorts heavily. C'mon Korg - it's always been possible to drive things like Fender Twins cleanly but with a full sound - why can't I achieve that in your amp modelling?

It may be I need to spend more time with the more detailed amp-modelling options available through the editor - but that, of course, brings us back to one of this board's weaknesses.

As before, I'm not going to mention the other sounds as I didn't buy the SV-1 for its organs, mellotrons and synths and I suspect, neither will most people.

So yes, there is quite a bit on the negative side of the sheet. But then I come back to the weight, the footprint, and an action which again though not class-leading, is a lot better than some of its competitors.

Casting around for alternatives, where would I look?

The Nord Electro 73 is lighter and more compact still than the SV-1, but I can't play acoustic piano (my bread and butter) on that keybed.

The Stage 76 is about the same size and weight and has more features and better EPs but I dislike Nord's APs and again, I found the action to be a real stumbling point, especially for solo piano.

The Yamaha S70XS may still be its closest competitor for my own needs - I think the EPs on my Motif XS Rack are still way ahead of the SV-1's and one would get those in the "S" package. But it's relatively big and heavy for its size, I'm not sure about a non-graded action and that S6 piano has come in for a lot of criticism. On the plus side, there's that mic input and USB key feature which would mean I wouldn't have to haul around a separate mixer and iPod for piano-vocal/backing track work.

If I only needed acoustic piano, I might also be tempted to return to the CP33, but I need better EPs than that board can offer.

Then there's my own RD700GX. It has a matchless action, great piano sound and can work OK in mono. But it's heavy, takes lots of space and the EPs are not as good, IMO, as the SV-1s.

So, to sum up, this is a board full of compromises. But compromises which might make sense for you, depending on your own requirements. It seems to make sense for me.

However, there is one big, black cloud on this horizon. And much as I hate to end on a downer, I feel the caveat is necessary at this point.

The problem of inadvertently being able to hit buttons as you play is a serious, serious, serious flaw. And it keeps happening to me, no matter how careful I try to be. Last night, in the middle of a solo piano number, I hit the "local off" button. Fortunately, I realised immediately what had happened and I quickly remedied the problem. But it still caused a two or three seconds silence which was just plain embarrassing.

I'm disappointed that we've had no further comment so far from Korg on this - I guess Jerry may just be taking a no doubt well-earned holiday.

But guys, this needs fixing now. And until it is, as much as I like a lot of its features, I'm unable to wholeheartedly recommend the SV-1.
Posted By: mate stubb

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/03/10 12:07 AM

Got to spend an hour on an SV-1 73 in the local GC today. I took my Grado cans in so that I could avoid having to listen to it in mono thru the Behr$%^er kbd amp they had it plugged into.

It was fun to play. It did have that connectedness that the Nord keyboards have, which makes it feel more like a real instrument than the generic romplers do. And the thing is physically tiny!

The action was pretty good too, lighter than a real piano but fast. Of course it lacks the fast repeat and the correct inertia that all modern DP hammer actions do.

Knobs felt a bit wobbly, which is probably due to having a push function which zeros the value to a preset level.

From here on I will be comparing sounds to my Nord Stage:

The main piano sound is pretty good, in that it has a fairly bright timbre that will cut in a band setting. It has nothing like the subtleties of some of the better DPs though. I found that it had a somewhat weak upper octave range similar to some of the earlier Nord pianos. The special effects noises I didn't really hear, and didn't really know how to play with making them louder. The other selections of acoustic pianos I did not find useful.

Rhodes and wurli were good, fun to play, but not up to the variety and detail of the Nords IMO. The CP70 is not as vivid as the one on the Stage either.

The clav is pretty good. It has the 4 basic pickup sets sampled, but I don't think that the actual instrument they sampled was in top shape - there were semi dead clunker notes here and there. The special clav EQ switches on the Stage are missing here, so again my nod for clavs goes to the Stage.

When I heard the first organ sound, I gagged and quickly had to wash the sound out of my ears with some more rhodes.

They really nailed the Jump patch and an RMI though! grin

The effects were a mixed bag. The wah was really strong, much better than Nord's. There was a Univibe that had a nice basic sound but which I could not crank to make extreme enough. I could not get the chorus to work in mono at all - sounded like weird pitch shifting. In stereo though, it was just fine. I never could get the stereo Rhodes pan thing going.

I didn't get along with the amp sims too well either. There is a terrible interaction between switching settings and gain going completely wacky. In fact, I view this as a bug. I think in general, they have some bugs in the OS that they need to deal with:

1. I should be able to switch amp sims and effect variations without the gain jumping to zero or killing notes. I often found I had to replay something after making a value switch.

2. The sustain pedal should not cut off when I switch either - nor should I have to release it and press again for the piano to realize that it was down.

I'm not sure that I like the way the variations work. When switching amongst piano or epiano variations for instance, it also switches EQ and amp sims and FX in and out. I'd almost prefer that the variations just switch the basic sound, because it makes it harder to audition and compare the different pianos, for instance.

If I didn't already have a Stage, I would love this thing a lot more. But I've invested time tweaking my instrument, loading my favorite libraries, setting up my presets, etc.

I'd like to spend a session on the Korg with the software editor, to see how far I could take it too.
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/04/10 11:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Calumet
Why can't someone just put the Scarbee samples in a box with no latency? I'd buy it!


I feel like there's an increasing demand for the rebirth of hardware samplers... Besides that it has a ridiculously small memory size (128 MB) today, my old e6400 was able to load all kinds of sample libraries at the time... Combined with Ensoniq's idea of flash memory it would probably be exactly what you need...
Posted By: MonksDream

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/06/10 06:10 AM

Having read this thread I've been itching to try out the SV-1. I finally got the chance to try the 88 at a local dealer yesterday. Fortunately it was early on a Monday so I was left alone for more than an hour. I used their cans for monitoring.

Even though I can't look at it without thinking of Spock's coffin the SV1 88 looks great in person. I like the red and I think the rounded top is a great design decision because it makes it feel more like an EP. Sitting at it felt like sitting at a Wurly or a Rhodes to me.

I really liked the action. It's fast with a nice key feel; more Roland than Yahama feeling, if that makes any sense. It's a definite improvement over the SP250 IMO and a very nice balance between the needs of piano and EP. Nice work Korg!

The control panel is very well laid out and I LOVE the toggle for the power switch. smile I don't understand why down is ON. When I sat down at it I instinctively flipped the switch up and wondered why it wasn't working. I didn't hit any panel buttons while playing but I can see how one easily could.

I ran through all of the presets, played with the knobs, and never saw the editor. The acoustic piano sounds decent, not as good as the Roland RD or Yamaha CP series but certainly more than acceptable. I preferred the 2nd variation to the first one but YMWV.

The EPs are stunning! They sound really good when you spank 'em too. There's a very nice connection between the sound and the action. You very much feel like you're playing an instrument and not just triggering a sample, and that's true with all the sounds. I now understand why people are complaining about the tine sound on the Rhodes though. There really should be a way to turn it down or off. Nothing I could do from the front panel helped. There were no pedals so I couldn't try out the wah-wah.

As for the other sounds, no one is buying the SV1 for its organ, string or synth sounds; however they're there if you need them and they sound good. In some cases really, really good.

The amp sim's Drive knob drove me f#$king crazy! Why does taking the Drive knob all the way down kill the signal? Was that considered useful? Aidan's right; the overdrive is often all or nothing on this board. I kept dialling up great presets and wanting to just turn the Drive down a bit. I'd reach and turn the knob one detent left and the signal would nosedive. While I'm on the subject, level-matching patches on the SV1 is going to be very important. Unless you've done your tweaking at home I can see frantically reaching for the Master Volume a lot when you switch patches.

I found the effects uniformly excellent sounding. I spent more time than I'm comfortable admitting listing to the Leslie sim change speeds! I have an issue with the resolution of the detented controls. I found myself often wanting to set a value somewhere between the detents. Funny enough I had the same issue with my M1 way back in the Stone Age. Pitch bend, mod wheel, and aftertouch would have been nice but Rhodes and Wurlis and RMIs didn't have them either, and that's who this KB is aimed at.

Even with my complaints this is still one killer board!! If you play a lot of EP and clav, and don't already have an Electro this KB should be on your short list. I wouldn't sell my RD to get one but I think the 73 note SV1 would make an excellent alternative for some gigs. Even with all its quirks I like it! I like it a lot!
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/06/10 07:52 AM

Pretty much sums up my opinions after a couple of weeks of owning one. Still, I await the next OS. It's a great board for me as I was after something like the electro but without the organ and a better action for pianos. Gets a great response on it's cosmetic look from the non musos!
Posted By: markm

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/06/10 10:20 AM

I agree. This is a great bit of kit.

While the EPs (deservedly) get the headlines - I think the acoustic pianos are excellent as well. I love the look of the Nords and would say that the Electros are just as good looking as the SV-1s. But when you factor in things such as keyboard feel and action, the SV-1 works for me.
Posted By: tucktronix

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/06/10 12:54 PM

Thanks for all the helpful comments on the SV-1. I've been thinking of getting one this summer to replace my S80, so my main concerns would be the AP's and EP's, the keyboard action and effects. I will try it out at the local music store here(not GC). Hopefully, Korg will come out with a new OS by this summer.
Posted By: Fusker

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/06/10 01:56 PM

Helpful...but not! I had ruled out the SV-1 until I read MD's review. Still waiting to get my paws on one.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/06/10 03:07 PM

I've found that the secret to the SV-1's acoustic pianos is, don't try and EQ them. I tried to calm the treble of the Steinway by switching in the EQ and rolling off the top - sounded OK with studio monitors but very artificial through my EONs.

As soon as I disabled the EQ, the piano sound improved by a huge amount. This also got rid of the metallic ringing I was complaining about in the top register in a previous post on this thread.

The amp modelling is a bit of a mystery. I've now been able to spend some time playing in the editor with different amp models and cabinet combinations and it is a bit more possible to get some good clean(ish) sounds, but this is one area where Korg need to refine, I think, as too many controls seem to go 1, 2, a whole bunch...

The good news is I do believe Korg is committed to building upon the foundations. I've been in private correspondence with Jerry about one aspect in particular and what I can say right now is that improvements are coming.

Going back to the APs, funnily enough today was the first time I've had both the SV-1 and RD700GX set up and running side by side in the studio. Although the RD's action beats the SV-1's by miles (as you might expect), I actually found myself preferring aspects of the SV-1's Steinway over the Roland's.

To those about to demo the Korg, I'd counsel trying if at all possible to listen to it over good stereo monitors, whether studio or stage gear. It's rubbish in mono and the headphones output appears flawed as well. In stereo, over decent speakers, it sounds great.
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/06/10 03:42 PM

I know when I listened to the rhodes #1 with flat eq and nothing else turned on it sounded just fine.
Posted By: Bronks

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/06/10 06:48 PM

And still there is one big plus for this gear.


It fits allmost perfectly...

Posted By: Nillerbabs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/06/10 07:00 PM

Oh man, I so wanna like this board. But what they did with the rhodes is almost unforgivable. I could never live with just one type of rhodes sound, that being hells bells...
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/06/10 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: MonksDream
The control panel is very well laid out and I LOVE the toggle for the power switch. smile I don't understand why down is ON. When I sat down at it I instinctively flipped the switch up and wondered why it wasn't working.

crazy
Posted By: EscapeRocks

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/06/10 08:52 PM

Originally Posted By: MonksDream

The control panel is very well laid out and I LOVE the toggle for the power switch. smile I don't understand why down is ON. When I sat down at it I instinctively flipped the switch up and wondered why it wasn't working.


My guess, and why I like the "down is on" switch:

I can see where people could accidentally hit the switch downwards during an enthusiastic stage show. This, of course, would turn off your keys if the switch was the other way.

I just got one. I love it. It covers the piano sounds I need. More importantly, I feel it truly is a stage performer's dream. Not having to wade thru a touch screen on the fly when I want to change things up, as on my old Yamaha S08. Just a simple interface, angled right at me.

It sits on the lower tier of my Apex stand, with my Triton ex61 on the upper tier.
Posted By: lowerhodes

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/07/10 12:06 AM

I am closing in on 30 days now and have to decide whether to return my SV-1 or keep it. My impressions have not really changed since I tried it out. I like the AP sounds but like most stereo AP samples they do not lend themselves to live performance. EP's are the opposite. They sound much better to me through my stage rig than through near field monitors or headphones and I'm happy to say that all the exagerated characteristics of the Rhodes seem to be improved by a band setting. I did a comparison with several other digital Rhodes that I have playing along with canned backing tracks and I thought it sounded as good as any or better in that context. By itself I preferred the others. The amp selector is unusable for me and I bypass it completely. Using the software editor has not yielded any significant improvement. I have found that, with the Wurlitzer in paticular, that with adjustments to the "noise", EQ and touch settings I have a sound I rather like. It's other sounds are unimportant to me and I have not spent much time with them but I wasn't impressed when I tried them out. Anyway, I am probably going to keep it because of it's size and weight, action and it's stereo in's. They will enable me to connect my NE3 to it and then run outs to both my monitors and FOH directly from the SV-1. In addition, despite it's severe controller limitations, I can MIDI to the NE3 and use it's Rhodes if I deem it preferable. With the SV-1 / NE3 tandem I can cover my needs adequately and combined weigh less than a lot of boards. If I didn't have the Nord I would probably be more inclined to drop the Korg.
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/07/10 01:24 AM

Just curious, lowerhodes, but if you could keep only one of the boards would you keep the nord or the korg?
Posted By: lowerhodes

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/07/10 01:29 AM

The Electro but that's because it's my only option for organ and it does organ nicely. I have a lot of alternatives, including the real things, for AP and EP sounds although none as portable as the SV-1.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 02:58 AM

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
My guess, and why I like the "down is on" switch:

I can see where people could accidentally hit the switch downwards during an enthusiastic stage show. This, of course, would turn off your keys if the switch was the other way.
I would find it curious that they would think of that and NOT think to position buttons further away from the keyboard to avoid accidental triggering, like the Local Off button that can be a real PITA if you accidentally turn it on...
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 09:38 AM

Originally Posted By: lowerhodes
With the SV-1 / NE3 tandem I can cover my needs adequately and combined weigh less than a lot of boards.


Interesting thought. After all discussions that have been going on concerning SV1 vs. Nord it seems that the peaceful coexistence of both in one setup is finally very value-adding. One covers lot of the weaknesses of the other and vice versa...
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 11:10 AM

the sv-1/73 is looking better. It fits on top of an xk3 perfectly and it has a decent piano.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 11:41 AM

Originally Posted By: daviel
the sv-1/73 is looking better. It fits on top of an xk3 perfectly and it has a decent piano.


Yes, I think the 73 is the pick of the two. The 88 has some stronger contenders but only the Nords approach the SV-1/73 on footprint.

Since I've had them side by side for a bit, here are both the RD700GX Expressive Grand and SV-1 Steinway in action:

Click here
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 11:42 AM

Is NAMM here yet? I'm ready to move on.

deadhorse snax
Posted By: Nillerbabs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 11:51 AM

Not impressed by the piano sound, to say the least. High mid and high range doesn't sound very inviting or lively to me.

We haven't heard much about the removal of the bell tone from SV-1 owners (please do correct me if I'm wrong here), but do you think with your experiences with the editor that the bell cann be brought done to a minimal level?
Posted By: David Loving

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 12:18 PM

Aidan: Which is which?
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 12:26 PM

Nillerbabs, it can certainly be controlled, mainly by reducing the velocity curve and pulling down the treble. However, you will still hear the bell tones around certain areas of the sample - I think it's to do with the Rhodes Korg sampled.

Which of the pianos did you not like, btw? You realise there were two instruments in that little demo, and I didn't specify which was which?

D-Bon, sorry if I'm boring you but you can choose to not read this thread, you know!

Posted By: Keys to the Hwy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 12:31 PM

That's my current setup. SV-1 lower with a NE3-73 Up top.





Originally Posted By: lowerhodes
I am closing in on 30 days now and have to decide whether to return my SV-1 or keep it. My impressions have not really changed since I tried it out. I like the AP sounds but like most stereo AP samples they do not lend themselves to live performance. EP's are the opposite. They sound much better to me through my stage rig than through near field monitors or headphones and I'm happy to say that all the exagerated characteristics of the Rhodes seem to be improved by a band setting. I did a comparison with several other digital Rhodes that I have playing along with canned backing tracks and I thought it sounded as good as any or better in that context. By itself I preferred the others. The amp selector is unusable for me and I bypass it completely. Using the software editor has not yielded any significant improvement. I have found that, with the Wurlitzer in paticular, that with adjustments to the "noise", EQ and touch settings I have a sound I rather like. It's other sounds are unimportant to me and I have not spent much time with them but I wasn't impressed when I tried them out. Anyway, I am probably going to keep it because of it's size and weight, action and it's stereo in's. They will enable me to connect my NE3 to it and then run outs to both my monitors and FOH directly from the SV-1. In addition, despite it's severe controller limitations, I can MIDI to the NE3 and use it's Rhodes if I deem it preferable. With the SV-1 / NE3 tandem I can cover my needs adequately and combined weigh less than a lot of boards. If I didn't have the Nord I would probably be more inclined to drop the Korg.
Posted By: Nicky

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 12:40 PM

the 1st one (Korg right?) sounds like it would work better on a gig. The Roland doesn't have enough presence.
Posted By: Music*aL

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 12:54 PM

Aidan, your playing is lovely.

Now, to the pianos: the first sample is very bright. I don't think that's the Roland. Also, the samples seem very linear, i.e., the only expression you get is volume change. There's a metallic ping in the middle octaves that is artificial and I hear a CP-80 quality as well.

My guess, that's the Korg.

aL
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 01:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
D-Bon, sorry if I'm boring you but you can choose to not read this thread, you know!

Aidan, my comment wasn't directed at you personally, so please don't take offense.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 01:02 PM

None taken, D-Bon smile Was only joshing back at ya!
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 01:16 PM

This forum needs more joshing! smile thu
Posted By: masterjam

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
Since I've had them side by side for a bit, here are both the RD700GX Expressive Grand and SV-1 Steinway in action


Very nice playing, Aidan!

My favourite Grand on the SV-1 is actually the Yamaha (#1 of Piano-Bank). Aidan, how do you like this one? What were your Live/ Gigging experiences?

By the way: how about the resolution of your sound-quest? (I could make a guess, but actually this would not be fair ;-) )
Posted By: Calumet

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 02:49 PM

Nillerbabs,

Judging from reading many of your posts in the last year, I think I know what you are looking for in a Rhodes sound. Based on my experience with the SV-1, the Rhodes sound you are looking for can't be captured with the SV-1. It is too bellish no matter what. And since you can't ever hope for an updated sample, you are stuck with what is in the board.

MItch
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 05:04 PM

I'd say that if you wanted the best variety of Rhodes sounds, you need to go either the Nord or Motif/S route. The SV-1 is a pragmatic collection of a few good useable sounds in a small package with a decent action.

I must admit, going back to the GX action always reminds me that everything else is second best on that score, and it really marries nicely with the Motif rack's EPs.
Posted By: ADino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/10 06:11 PM

GX action? I knew you'd come back to your senses...Juuussst kidddiinngg.....

My GX is actually too light, but Im in the manual on the action section, so we'll see how that works...
Posted By: Nillerbabs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/08/10 06:43 AM

Thanks folks - I'll be pushing this one out of my mind, then. And Aidan, I was referring to the second piano sample - the first one sounded quite lively to me, whilst the latter sounded dull, and the attack on some notes were quite unpleasant; it's difficult to describe, it was just one big dislike.

I certainly have considered the GX, mostly for practice purposes given its hefty weight, but I'm not too keen on the GX rhodes. The new Yamahas certainly have given me some hope of a great-action board with both great pianos and rhodes. Now, when it comes down to weight, I'll see whether I end up going CP5 or CP50. Or maybe Nord Piano? wink
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/08/10 07:16 AM

FYI, everyone, I can confirm that the first sample in the demo is the Korg's Steinway. smile
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/08/10 01:06 PM

I knew that the second piano was Roland because it sounds like it actualy has overtones and the notes don't decay too quickly.

Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/08/10 01:21 PM

And yet it's thinner and has less presence than the Korg.
Posted By: Mr.E

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/09/10 10:36 AM

Hi,

I'm new to this forum, but not new to the music. I'm considering getting Korg SV-1 73 for gigs. My only questions are about original stand and case.
Are they heavy? Do they add another 20 lbs? Does the case add another 4 inches on the side.

Thanks,
Ed
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/09/10 10:50 AM

Been playing around, turned off the amp sim for the Rhodes until they can make it sound subtle, makes a significant improvement and reduces bell tone, much better!
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/09/10 10:56 AM

Oh and the Yamaha is far better IMO than the Steinway which doesn't sound as lively and not as full sounding. Going to spend some time with the editor over the weekend, am liking it more and more as I get under the hood.

I'd find it difficult to go back to the Electro action I once had, still, if I was after an organ clone, it's the sensible option. I haven't fired up the Scarbee samples for a couple of months, maybe not wise to shatter the illusion!
Posted By: Bronks

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/09/10 04:18 PM

Originally Posted By: mebush

I agree with this completely, but I think I've found a way to tweak the sound via the editor to compensate for the unevenness of the samples. Mitch - you might want to (get it out of the box again and) try these settings:



Thank you for sharing. Tried that - liked that.
Posted By: mebush

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/09/10 04:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Bronks
Originally Posted By: mebush

I agree with this completely, but I think I've found a way to tweak the sound via the editor to compensate for the unevenness of the samples. Mitch - you might want to (get it out of the box again and) try these settings:



Thank you for sharing. Tried that - liked that.

Great - glad you liked it. I've subsequently started playing my SV-1 through an old (late 1970s?) Roland Cube Bass 60 now though, which - of course - makes everything sound quite different compared to my JBL Eon 10s. The lo-fi-ness suits the Rhodes somehow. I now realise that when we each listen to the same patches/settings what we hear may not be the same at all. I have a new favourite setting for my Rhodes now, but I won't post it this time for the reason I've just given!
Posted By: jook

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/11/10 12:26 AM

I've played a few SV-1's recently.

My first play was underwhelming. I thought the acoustic pianos sounded nice, but the electric pianos were way more dynamic than the real thing and didn't quite respond with the detail I had anticipated.

The second time I was in a different shop and it played much better. The EP's came alive, I felt and heard the mechanisms move, and it responded like a Rhodes.

I started to question why, when I realized that both times I played, I had used headphones and they were different. When I finally plugged into speakers, it once again sounded very different and was much more playable.

So I think it's worth noting, and most people do acknowledge this to some point: headphones are not a good judge of keyboards. Admittedly there's few options in a shop with other noisy customers around, but I wouldn't judge the board based on impressions given from headphones alone, let alone one pair of headphones.

Some people bring in their own headphones for the task but this is no less conclusive (although it can be better) because headphone outputs vary and the impedance of your headphones can make it sound underwhelming when driven by an unsuitable headphone output.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/11/10 06:53 AM

I'd agree with jook's comments about auditioning the SV-1 with headphones. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, when I listened to the APs especially through the phones jack I was seriously underwhelmed.

Gary, I'm intrigued that you like the Yamaha more than the Steinway, as the Yammie always sounds thin and slight to me. Again, perhaps it's down to different amplification.
Posted By: timwat

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/11/10 07:31 AM

Making a definitive judgement about a keyboard based on headphones is perfectly reasonable. If everyone in your audience will be listening to you play on their own headphones. All the same model as yours, of course.
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/11/10 08:09 AM

Yes Aidan, I prefer variation #1 on the AP bank, my monitor speakers are no great shakes, just Alesis. In Ivory I always use the Steinway soundset. However, over time I may like the Steinway on the SV-1. I have yet to try it through a PA. Need to do more digging!
Posted By: Cliffk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/21/10 05:50 PM

Frank McComb puts the SV-1 through its paces showcasing piano, Rhodes and clavinet. Particularly noteworthy is that, unlike in a previous clip, this Rhodes setting allows harder knocks before it starts barking.
Posted By: Nillerbabs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/21/10 06:16 PM

Man, I'm still looking forward to trying it this weekend - now even moreso. Frank sure does deliver!
Posted By: Mogut

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/21/10 06:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Cliffk
Frank McComb puts the SV-1 through its paces


Jesus he's good!!!!!
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/21/10 08:52 PM

He really is good!

Btw, I like the rhodes sound much better than the bell toned one I heard from earlier demos.
Posted By: Bronks

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/22/10 02:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Pale
He really is good!

Btw, I like the rhodes sound much better than the bell toned one I heard from earlier demos.


That's what I was thinking too. I wonder if this is somehow tweaked sound, because any of presets doesn't sound like that. Or then it's due to amps. Not bellish at all.

Enormous playing!
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/22/10 06:50 AM

Perhaps Jerry can enlighten us? Korg did promise a whole bunch of new sounds to download eventually - maybe this is one of those?
Posted By: Pale

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/22/10 07:36 AM

Or maybe that's not rhodes at all :), maybe it's wurlitzer patch that is EQed somehow (speakers, enviroment, effects) and sounds like a rhodes patch?

But is sounds like a rhodes to me....
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/22/10 08:33 AM

I've got the SV-1 in front of me now, and during a brief experiment with EQ, amp model and FX, at no point did it lose its unmistakeable reed characteristic. Admittedly I didn't open up the editor, but I'd be surprised if that wasn't the Rhodes sample.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/22/10 08:40 AM

Actually, on the Rhodes sample, if you turn the treble right down and the mid right up, the bell characteristic does become less and less prominent. You can still hear it subtly through studio monitors but maybe through PA speakers in a relatively noisy environment you wouldn't notice it at all. My bet for the most likely explanation.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/23/10 02:55 AM

Frank McComb has got the "Herbie Rodes" sound there. How does it compare to the Yamaha CP Vintage Rhodes?
Posted By: BlackandWhite

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/23/10 06:17 PM

Late to the party, but there (here?), nonetheless...

Bought the 73 last night at GC. I could only really listen with headphones, as the ambience there was very, say GCish...

Having played it at home through a small Roland cube amp, a Behringer combo amp and a different set of headphones, I am generally pleased with most of the sounds. I was almost moved to tears when I realized there is not a single harpsichord patch. (Q for Yamaha: why is this in your top 5 on so many boards?)

Also, really like the feel/texture of the black keys.

I look forward to hours of tweaking, before an audition for a 9-piece band tomorrow. I'm determined to make the B3 (Organ 1) servicable.. Any tips out there?
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/23/10 07:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
Perhaps Jerry can enlighten us? Korg did promise a whole bunch of new sounds to download eventually - maybe this is one of those?


Nope, stock SV-188. I didn't even load in the Wah-Wah Rhodes tweak Frank and I made during his "official" video he did with us. So it's all his touch and playing.

We recorded straight from the board with no special EQ or sweetening either.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/23/10 11:35 PM

To augment Aidan's reply, those needing a larger palette of Rhodes sounds can also look to the Kurzweil PC3 series.
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/24/10 01:58 AM

Jerry,

If it's straight from the board and a stock Rhodes patch, then how did the bell tone get so minimized to sound like a "Herbie Rhodes"? Why can't Aiden and others seem to defeat the prominent bell tone in the Rhodes patches? Which patch was Frank using and how did he have it tweaked?

J+
Posted By: NYKeys

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/24/10 04:15 AM

Thanks Aidan for the Demo

Cliff thanks for the link, I might have to pull the trigger on this.

Check this out
Greg Phillinganes and the Korg SV-1
Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/24/10 05:48 AM

Fantastic playing!
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/24/10 08:34 AM

I'm so pleased I bought one, I had the opportunity to try the NE3 that my uni just bought, and it felt very inferior in it's playability, the action just plasticky. I found the other bells and whistle sounds quite poor too, the mellotron sounds are very lacklustre in their detail. I preferred the NE2 I had.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/24/10 10:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Jerry,

If it's straight from the board and a stock Rhodes patch, then how did the bell tone get so minimized to sound like a "Herbie Rhodes"? Why can't Aiden and others seem to defeat the prominent bell tone in the Rhodes patches? Which patch was Frank using and how did he have it tweaked?

J+


I'd have to ask Frank which sound he started with, but I know he turned off the Amp Sim and rolled off some treble. The rest is is touch and what he played. Let me ask him if he has any more to add.

regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/24/10 11:31 AM

That sounds logical to me. If you roll off the treble and boost the mids on the SV-1's Rhodes you do lose a lot of the bell prominence. You don't lose it altogether but then the Rhodes is a tine piano after all.
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/24/10 12:02 PM

Turning off the amp aim is the first thing I did as I posted earlier in the thread, I also rolled some treble off and changed the velocity response. Very nice it is now. I love the immediacy of control, and the fact it's pointing towards you.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/24/10 02:01 PM

Gary, just out of interest, which response number are you using?
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/25/10 05:02 PM

Jerry:

I have some questions about the SP-170. I posted them in a separate, specific thread, but since you didn't respond, I'm re-posting them here:

Are the piano and EP sounds derived from the SV-1?
Are the two piano sounds "Japanese" and "German"?
Are the two EP sounds a Rhodes and a DX-style?
How does the new "Natural Weighted Hammer Action" compare to the RH3 action on the SV-1?
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/25/10 05:24 PM

I'll get back to you on the velocity Aidan, I'm away from the SV until the weekend. I picked the heaviest velocity I'm pretty sure. The NAMM live video shows you really can tone down the bells, you can do it without going into the editor. It sounds really nice through a bigger speaker system. My monitors don't do it justice.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/25/10 07:48 PM

Aidan:

I can't find where you first asked me, but the weight of the stand is 6.3 kilos, or 13.89 lbs. by itself.

OK?

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: lowerhodes

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/26/10 04:03 AM

Has anyone found a case / gig bag that the 73 key SV-1 fits well in?
Posted By: BlackandWhite

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/26/10 04:34 AM

Quote:
Has anyone found a case / gig bag that the 73 key SV-1 fits well in?

The 73 fits nicely in my Roadrunner gig bag, with 2" extra length and 3" of extra width in the bag. It's a pretty lightweight bag; I paid $60 or $70 a couple of years ago at GC. Should be good enough for house-to-car-to-stage and back.

Does anyone know if you can use both the 1/4" and xlr outputs simultaneously? The manual seems to imply it's either/or. I had thoughts of running 1/4" outs to my monitors and xlr to FOH. Doable?
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/26/10 07:20 AM

I'm informed by a dealer that the official bag should be available in a few days' time but will probably be a bit more expensive than generics, as you'd expect.
Posted By: Keys to the Hwy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/26/10 04:10 PM

I'm using a Nord GB76 and it fits like a glove with the back and side covers tucked back and the front cover the keys. Not sure if that is bad karma, but they both are red.
Posted By: BlackandWhite

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/28/10 02:45 PM

Quote:
Does anyone know if you can use both the 1/4" and xlr outputs simultaneously? The manual seems to imply it's either/or. I had thoughts of running 1/4" outs to my monitors and xlr to FOH. Doable?

Anyone? Thanks.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/28/10 02:54 PM

Just wanted to drop by and let you know we've released a new OS and new soundbank for the SV-1. For now you can find it here:

SV-1 OS 1.1



It will show up on korg.com and other distributor sites shortly.

Regards,

Jerry

Korg Guy
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/28/10 05:31 PM

Does the new sound bank include a "Herbie Rhodes"?
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/28/10 05:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Does the new sound bank include a "Herbie Rhodes"?


deadhorse deadhorse deadhorse
Posted By: Mogut

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/28/10 06:37 PM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Does the new sound bank include a "Herbie Rhodes"?


deadhorse deadhorse deadhorse


LOL Maybe we should talk about mono piano some more? wave
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/28/10 06:42 PM

Yum yum! An OS update, I'm just too tired to unpack the SV and load it up.

Starting to sound like Danny Glover in Lethal Weapon

"I'm gettin too old for this sh**"
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/28/10 06:58 PM

Now Jerry has broken cover on this, I can tell you I've been demoing the new OS for a couple of weeks. One important difference is that the sensitivity of the buttons has been dialled down, vastly reducing any chance of inadvertently switching sounds or turning off local etc. You can also change the balance in layered sounds like piano/strings.
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/28/10 08:10 PM

Any new presets to write home about Aidan?

Woohoo I managed to drag the SV upstairs to the keyboard room, slowly but surely im getting their. Will do the update tomorrow
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/28/10 11:35 PM

I didn't share the sounds with Aidan - at the time we just wanted to "test" the button response change, while we were finishing the sounds.

D-Bon - this group of sounds were started before the recent dialog about the "Herbie dark sound". We'll be releasing many more sounds, so that stuff will be next on our radar.

Herbie just took receipt of his SV-188, so maybe we should work on that sound with his input - good idea?

:-)

regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/28/10 11:40 PM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Jerry:

I have some questions about the SP-170. I posted them in a separate, specific thread, but since you didn't respond, I'm re-posting them here:


When? I obviously missed it - sorry.

Quote:
Are the piano and EP sounds derived from the SV-1?


Nope. It's a new piano sound for all of our markets, only used once before as part of a silent piano system Korg only sold in Japan. It's really nice, but not the SV-1.

Quote:
Are the two piano sounds "Japanese" and "German"?

Both German variations I believe.

Quote:

Are the two EP sounds a Rhodes and a DX-style?


Yup.

Quote:
How does the new "Natural Weighted Hammer Action" compare to the RH3 action on the SV-1?
It's lighter to the touch/response for sure. It was designed to be put into lower-priced products and to add much less weight than our top-of-the-line RH3.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/29/10 12:50 AM

Jerry:

It was right after NAMM, but no worries; I figured you'd catch them in this thread. Thanks for responding. smile
Posted By: Mr.E

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/29/10 01:08 AM

Originally Posted By: BlackandWhite
Quote:
Does anyone know if you can use both the 1/4" and xlr outputs simultaneously? The manual seems to imply it's either/or. I had thoughts of running 1/4" outs to my monitors and xlr to FOH. Doable?

Anyone? Thanks.


Can we get answer to this question, please.

Thanks,
Ed
Posted By: RedKey

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/29/10 05:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Mr.E
Originally Posted By: BlackandWhite
Quote:
Does anyone know if you can use both the 1/4" and xlr outputs simultaneously? The manual seems to imply it's either/or. I had thoughts of running 1/4" outs to my monitors and xlr to FOH. Doable?

Anyone? Thanks.

Can we get answer to this question, please. Thanks, Ed


Page 9 of this very thread thu

"Can both sets of outputs be used simultaneously?"
Answer: "Yes (headphones too)."
Posted By: FunkKeysStuff

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/29/10 06:20 AM

Nice. Looking forward to the new sounds... but really looking forward to no longer worrying about bumping the Local Off or accidentally switching presets. thu
Posted By: kobalazs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/29/10 07:28 AM

I tried the board on Wednesday second time at a shop in Hungary, as my first meeting with the instrument was at a noisy music show. I played for about an hour, and I have to say I'm still really impressed and have a willing to buy it this year.

There's only one but very fat negative experience about this board: whenever I change instrument it mutes off all the sounds still ringing. This cut is not just really disturbing but sounds awfully digital.

Jerry, is there any chance to find a workaround for this and implement into an OS update? IMHO this issue can really be a deal-breaker for a live performance instrument. Thanks in advance, I really appreciate the great customer support you do on this forum!
Posted By: Al Coda

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/29/10 10:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
Now Jerry has broken cover on this, I can tell you I've been demoing the new OS for a couple of weeks. One important difference is that the sensitivity of the buttons has been dialled down, vastly reducing any chance of inadvertently switching sounds or turning off local etc.


Hi Aidan !

Does that rule for all of the buttons across the frontpanel and is changing programs by favourite buttons slower now too ?
I hope they found a good balance.

Originally Posted By: Aidan

You can also change the balance in layered sounds like piano/strings.


Thats excellent news,- its one of the most important features for me.

It shows, the SV-1 might be more software upgradable than expected.

Now, I hope for a future update offering each programs of a layer will receive MIDI-info on a separate MIDI channel (local off mode) and being able to play one program of the layer w/ the internal keyboard (local MIDI channel) and the 2nd program w/ a 2nd keyboard connected to MIDI-In and on a different MIDI channel (local on mode).
Selectable separate MIDI-Transmit channel would be great too (but maybe its already existing,- dont know).

thx for info

A.C.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/29/10 10:06 AM

Al, yes, the response time has been altered for all the buttons now, including the favourites. I think they've got the balance about right - it does take a quite deliberate press of the button now to work it.
Posted By: Bronks

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/29/10 11:09 AM

[quote=Al Coda
Does that rule for all of the buttons across the frontpanel and is changing programs by favourite buttons slower now too ?
I hope they found a good balance.
[/quote]

I loaded the new update, and I can tell you, that favourite buttons still are fast enough for quick patch changes. Hardly noticable difference.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/29/10 11:16 AM

Jerry actually sent me two updates of the OS during our correspondence. The first, I really couldn't say I noticed a difference. But the second I most certainly could. The test I ran was to lightly knock against the favourite buttons with the back of my fingers. They didn't budge. But a definite press of the button, that's a different matter.

They seem to me to now be a reasonable compromise. That said, I have still managed to inadvertently turn Local Off on (so to speak) but that was when my fingers were all cramped up unnaturally as I stretched for something. I don't think you'll totally eliminate that chance due to simple proximity.
Posted By: bhodaway10

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/29/10 02:50 PM

I saw this on the korg website :

"This is a new collection of sounds for the SV-1 that includes new Electric Pianos, Uprights, Grands, Clavs, Tape Strings and that's not all. This download also includes new layered sounds such as: Piano and Strings, Piano and Choir, Synth Piano and Pad, Grand Piano and VPM, Jazz Organ with Percussion and more!"

Very cool! I must say that I really like how Korg is constantly updating this model!

I'm curious to know if the samples/splits/etc are loaded over a new sound or if it's user replaceable via the editor or?
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/29/10 03:55 PM

Originally Posted By: bhodaway10
Very cool! I must say that I really like how Korg is constantly updating this model!

I'm curious to know if the samples/splits/etc are loaded over a new sound or if it's user replaceable via the editor or?


No new samples - only new Sounds/Programs. They are provided as an Editor File so you can preview each sound individually (sending them to the SV-1 one at a time) and then decide to write one or more to locations you want. That can be any of the 36 dial locations or the 8 Favorites.

There are no splits in this collection, but that can come soon. We're still not clear what types of sound splits the user want, so we'll likely do a survey to capture all your ideas.

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy

P.S. And yes, we need to make that "Herbie" sound as well - I know, I know!

:-)
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/29/10 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By: kobalazs
... whenever I change instrument it mutes off all the sounds still ringing.

Jerry, is there any chance to find a workaround for this and implement into an OS update? IMHO this issue can really be a deal-breaker for a live performance instrument. Thanks in advance, I really appreciate the great customer support you do on this forum!


I don't know, but I understand and I will talk to the designers about this. No promises here...

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/29/10 05:17 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
Herbie just took receipt of his SV-188, so maybe we should work on that sound with his input - good idea?

I think a lot of people would be excited by this. And no more horses would have to get beaten. wink
Posted By: kobalazs

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 01/30/10 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
Originally Posted By: kobalazs
... whenever I change instrument it mutes off all the sounds still ringing.

Jerry, is there any chance to find a workaround for this and implement into an OS update? ...


I don't know, but I understand and I will talk to the designers about this. No promises here...

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy


Thank you! Seeing the great changes of the first update I really hope the engineer guys can find a solution for this issue too.

Just a note: after my try-out, I talked a few words with the shop assistant, who asked about my opinion. When I mentioned my problem he said many customers had claimed about this one too. I don't know about your opinion (everyone on this forum whom already have the instrument), but it seems it's not just me...
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/01/10 08:48 PM

I tried the SV-1 again this morning, briefly, and was surprised by how good the escapement is.

Now they have it hooked up to a red pair of KRK Rokits vs. the Behringers. This has improved the e-pianos at least.

There's enough ambient noise in Guitar Centre to still make it a bit difficult to hear well, unfortunately.
Posted By: tucktronix

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/01/10 09:01 PM

Played the SV-1 73 at the local House Of Guitars last weekend testing the acoustic, Rhodes and Wurlitzer piano sounds and absolutely fell in love with this thing. The keybed action felt great. Can't wait to get one this summer, already GAS-sing over this puppy love
Posted By: Moon Zero Two

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/01/10 09:07 PM

tried to check one out this weekend - but the QC and Ash near home didn't have - in fact the only the S90XS was on display at both - Guess yamaha has the better distribution system.
Posted By: Dugg64

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/19/10 01:36 AM

Hello All:

My name's Doug Carey and I'm new to the forum. If I inadvertently stomp on some posting etiquette, please correct and forgive me.

I have been following this thread as I've been excited about the SV-1. Having checked out all the Korg promotional videos (Neal Evans-Eldar, Greg Phillanganes, Frank McComb), it seems like a keyboard that I would enjoy.

A little bit of my background...

I'm pretty much a keyboardist-wannabe. I own a Alesis DG-8 that has worked for someone like myself who is less than a weekend warrior. I've tap-danced around the dream of getting serious about learning to really play for several years. I just recently committed to an online private lesson regimen through Mark Harrison. The SV-1 seems like a keyboard that has the vintage sounds and effects that lend themselves to my kind of music ('70s funk/soul, R&B, Steely Dan, etc.). Yet it is also an all-in-one package that works with my simplified set-up needs

My local music store has just gotten the SV-1 73 keyboard in. They trust me so much that they are going to let me take it out on approval for this weekend. Sounds like a great opportunity to test drive it at home without dealing with all the noise in the music store.

Again, I've been following this thread and the impressions of the SV-1 have ranged from good to disappointing. I'd like to clear my mind of any preconceived perceptions and give the board a relatively clean test-drive assessment.

That being said, I'd like to ask for some advise on how to go about doing a personal playing assessment of the SV-1. Again, I'm not a "stud-player" or have a strong keyboard-tech savy like many of you, so I would greatly value your expertise on how to go about working through this piece of gear to get a good grasp of what it can do. I'm kind of limited as to what sound system I can run it through - it will either be through my ATH-M40 Audio Techinca headphones or I can use the monitors on the Alesis DG-8. With this scenario, I'm hoping I can do a relatively thorough review.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Doug
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/19/10 10:49 AM

Welcome Doug. You haven't crossed any lines in posting, AFAIK.

I would say just play it the way you hope to use it as much as possible in the time you have. Put on some songs you know and play along the keyboard parts. Heck, put on some songs you don't know and see if you can finally get the keyboard parts you could not before. See if you can get the sound you want out of it, and don't be afraid to tweak it because it won't (shouldn't! wink ) blow up if you do anything to it via the front panel.

We are looking forward to your report after the weekend. thu
Posted By: bhodaway10

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/19/10 12:58 PM

Aidan, can you tell us more about the recent update and what Korg changed sound wise?
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/20/10 06:29 AM

Brian, I haven't actually had a chance to bring the Korg back into the studio and download the new sounds yet.

The main changes with the OS are the adjustment to the button sensitivity, which really helps, and you can now adjust the balance of the "layer" sounds. You do this in the same way as you adjust the "RX noises" by pressing the "Function" button and adjusting the "Bass" knob on the EQ.

I'll report back as soon as I get chance to try the new sounds.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/20/10 12:52 PM

The OS didn't change anything sound-wise, it just offered some control as Aidan (our new Product Manager? :-)) wrote.

:-)

We also released a new Bank of Sounds, offering some variations of existing instruments, and some new layered sounds. Here's the names:

TineEP&DmpRes
Bell Tine EP
Tine&Pad
Dyno&Voices
VPM Piano 2
VPM Tine& Pad
Reed EP 3
Reed EP 4
E.Grand&Pad
M1 Piano
SynPiano&Pad
MIDI Grand&Pad
Clav AC 2
Clav BC 2
Clav Brilliance
Muted Clav
ElectroPno 2
ElectraPno 2
Warm Grand
Piano&Strings
Piano&Choir
Honky Tonk
G.Piano&VPM
Grand&Tine
Jazz Org. 2
JazzOrg/Perc 1
JazzOrg/Perc 2
Rock Organ
Full Tonewheel 2
70's Combo
Full Strings 2
Tape Strings 2
TapeStr&Choir
Piano&Voices
Piano&SynBrass
Brass Pad

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: lowerhodes

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/20/10 06:02 PM

So where on the Korg website do you go to download the new stuff?
Posted By: bhodaway10

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/20/10 06:36 PM

Thanks - That's what I was looking for Jerry.

I'm assuming that all the sounds are tweeked through the editor and then saved as a new variation?
Posted By: Keys to the Hwy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/20/10 07:19 PM

Here you go.

http://www.korg.com/SupportResults.aspx?productid=562
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/20/10 10:47 PM

Originally Posted By: bhodaway10
I'm assuming that all the sounds are tweeked through the editor and then saved as a new variation?


Are you asking how we made the sounds? If so, no, we have all the development tools to make completely new sounds from the existing samples in the SV-1. So we have complete programming control over waveform choices, envelopes, filter, modulation routings and so on.

It's a pretty deep voice architecture!

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: bhodaway10

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/20/10 11:07 PM

Jerry you're awesome. Thanks!
Posted By: Steve123

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/20/10 11:08 PM

Hi guys,

Its been awhile since I posted. I purchased a Korg SV-1 88 and I am very pleased so far. I do have one minor gripe: two of the factory patches, epiano1 variation 4 (dyno ep) and epiano 2 variation 2 (a wurly) use the chorus 1 modulation fx. The sound appears to be panned towards the left channel when this effect is engaged. If I switch to chorus 2 the sound is nicely centered. Ive updated the OS to no avail. Is this deliberate? Is this a software issue? Might I have a defective unit? Ive registered at the Korg forum, but havent been activated yet. I noticed a Korg rep is online here, and you guys are always very helpful, so figured Id post this here.

Thanks,
Steve
Posted By: lowerhodes

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/23/10 01:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Keys to the Hwy


Thanks, Keys!
Posted By: VegasGT3

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/23/10 02:35 AM

I played one for the first time this week. I own both an Electro 3 and a PC3x. First the likes: Easy to use, cool look, logical, can change effects easily on the fly, wuli sound is very good, CP70/80 sound is good, rhodes pretty good, but not as good as the PC3 in my opinion. Keybed is fine, but didn't blow me away.

Organ, strings, ap and other sounds are just ok compared to what is out there.
Overall, I really like the concept, I just think Korg has to get the sounds better. Best feature for me was the wah effect on the clav. Overall I don't think it will make much impact until they can get some of the other sounds better, esp organ.
Posted By: MAJUSCULE

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/23/10 02:42 AM

I have to wonder if the dealers are impleting the OS change. That could affect sales and first impressions significantly.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/23/10 05:16 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasGT3
Overall I don't think it will make much impact until they can get some of the other sounds better, esp organ.


Organ is not this board's focus at all - if that's your main priority I wouldn't hold your breath but move along to either the Electro or Hammond XKs. The organs and strings on the SV-1 are OK for a song or two, but I wouldn't want to play them all night.

The SV-1's strengths are APs, EPs and clavs - there's a much more limited range of sounds available compared with the Electro, but you get a proper weighted keyboard in a very compact package, especially if you choose the 73.
Posted By: MoodyBluesKeys

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/23/10 09:52 AM

Originally Posted By: MAJUSCULE
I have to wonder if the dealers are impleting the OS change. That could affect sales and first impressions significantly.


Based on what I have seen since the PC3X release in Kurzweil - I would think that MOST dealers do not update software on any of their stock. Sweetwater makes a point that they do update, but there is a constant small number of new users posting on Sonik that have just purchased a PC3 (which apparantly had been sitting in some dealer's stock for quite a while) with a way-outdated OS version. These new users find the forum, post something about a problem which has been solved in an OS update for a year or two - and then find out that the OS can be updated (which is not something that a new buyer necessarily knows in advance).

I will admit that it is possible that Korg is better at persuading the individual dealers to perform the upgrades than Kurzweil - but I doubt that happens, since most of the interaction seems to be between manufacturer and national distributor, rather than dealer. There are several valid reasons for dealers not to update hardware that they sell; the first being that some consumers do not like to purchase anything that is not in a still-sealed box, the next being that there is some expense involved in the dealer having someone acquire the update, keep informed about updates on all the different product lines, open up the boxes, install the update without doing any damage, re-box the unit. However, I do think it is pathetic the number of dealers that will have floor samples that do not perform up to par because updates have not been applied.
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/23/10 10:15 AM

No one should think of organ in the SV-1, as Aidan says.
Posted By: tucktronix

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/23/10 01:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
Originally Posted By: VegasGT3
Overall I don't think it will make much impact until they can get some of the other sounds better, esp organ.


Organ is not this board's focus at all - if that's your main priority I wouldn't hold your breath but move along to either the Electro or Hammond XKs. The organs and strings on the SV-1 are OK for a song or two, but I wouldn't want to play them all night.

The SV-1's strengths are APs, EPs and clavs - there's a much more limited range of sounds available compared with the Electro, but you get a proper weighted keyboard in a very compact package, especially if you choose the 73.


I'm in total agreement with Aidan. Organ sounds shouldn't weigh in on the decision to get this board. This is a digital piano, first and foremost. For me, my Korg CX3 covers my organ sounds quite nicely and I really wouldn't want to play organ on a weighted board.
Posted By: denistu

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/23/10 06:58 PM

Hey guys,

I had my first gig with SV-1 last Saturday. I play in a 11 piece R&B /Funk band and everybody was impressed with the live sound of this board. Even during the rehearsals the quality of the EPs were standing out. Before purchasing SV-1 I practiced and gigged with Nord Electro 2 and IMO SV-1 has much better Rhodes, Wurlies and Accoustic pianos.

One thing that probably contributs to this, without getting into the quality of the samples, are the preset effects that are much better on SV-1. Without external effects, NE2 sounds quite plain comparing to SV-1.

Second, the keyboard is waaaaay better in the Korg which gives you a chance to achieve the right dynamics similar to the real Rhodes.

For the past few days I'be been comparing sound of NE2 with SV-1 side by side and SV-1 sounds much better in EP and AP department.

I almost bought PC3X but again I was disapointed with the Kurz's keyboard which is simply put "wierd", not like a real thing. For years I have tried to get used to it but it didn't work for me. Btw, I owned PC2X, PC2 and still have my PC1se which is on sale :-). Don't get me wrong, Kurz sounds are amazing but it simply doesn't feel like a real weighted keyboard. And I am not surprised since they use keybed made by Fatar. I wish they put Yamaha keybed but then you wouldn't be able to play organs on it. So, I do understand why Kurz had to compromise a better weighted keyboard.

SV-1 really feels and sounds like a real Rhodes.

As many of you already pointed out, SV-1 was not designed for heavy organ playing. That's why the organs are problably the weakest link. And who would like to play organs on a weighted keys anyway! :-)

On the other hand, NE was designed with a focus on the organ section, so I think comparing SV1 and NE in the organ section is like comparing apples and oranges. :-)

For me, SV-1 and NE nicelly complement each other.

Just my 2 cents ...
Posted By: VegasGT3

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/24/10 03:32 AM

If I want to use just one board then the SV-1 won't cut it for the style of music I play which is soul, blues and rock which needs a good organ sound. If I was playing solo piano of jazz, I agree an Electro is the weaker choice, but the PC3x keybed for me is great and I can play dynamics just fine (not as good as my Yamaha Grand of course). I really did not find the keybed was any better than the PC3x, so I would choose a PC3 or x. I also didn't find the rhodes to be a WoW compared to a PC3 (just my opinion), but the AP was pretty lame. It was set up mono, so maybe stereo would help.

Korg makes a great organ product, I was just surprised that they would not put it into this board. Then for someone who wants to lug around just one board this could have been their choice.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/24/10 04:39 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasGT3
the AP was pretty lame. It was set up mono, so maybe stereo would help.


The SV-1 sounds crap in mono - but so do 99% of all the digital pianos out there.

Originally Posted By: VegasGT3
Korg makes a great organ product, I was just surprised that they would not put it into this board.


Pianos and organs are opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to touch and response. Neither is suitable for playing the sounds of the other. Korg markets the SV-1 as the "Stage Vintage Piano", so it's fairly clear which side of the divide this sits on.

As I said previously, I think the non-piano sounds in this product are merely included as a way to get you through a rehearsal or maybe one or two songs which need a fairly simple organ sound on them.

Even if Korg had gone further and added CX-3 organs in there, what would you do about drawbar control? Any solution would make the SV-1 bigger, heavier and more expensive - and you'd still have a totally unsuitable playing surface for those kind of sounds.
Posted By: Dugg64

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 02/27/10 05:20 PM

Hey Joe, thanks for the advise. I just knew that I'd have limited time with the board and wanted to pick some more experienced brains for advice.

I was able to mess around with the SV-1 for a few hours last Saturday and Sunday (in between playing with my toddler daughter). I don't think that I came across any revelations about it that haven't already been discussed. But, here's my two-cents anyway...

First, it is a really cool looking piece of equipment! Kuddos to the Italians on this one. It just drips of the vintage vibe that enhances the playing experience. Having the knobs right there eliminates any intimidation of scrolling through menus to tweak sounds.

Having such quick access to the controls, I could have spent days playing with the sounds. Good effects from what I could tell.

The feel of the keyboard seemed great to me. Particularly when playing the Rhodes and Wurly patches. Regarding the quality of the sounds, I don't have much to compare the SV-1 to, but it felt and sounded good to me.

As I am accustomed to the piano sounds on my Alesis DG-1, I wasn't immediately blown away by the APs on the SV-1. Some EQing helped get sounds that were more my taste.

While I understand that many dislike playing Clav parts on a weighted keyboard, it didn't really bother me. The fact you can use a Wah-Wah pedal with the SV-1 is cool.

In terms of sounds beyond the EPs, APs, Clavs and Organs (at this point, the organs sounds are good enough for me), I really wish Korg would have devoted more of the instrument's potential for the vintage, non-synth sounds.

Bottom line - I had fun with the SV-1 and love how it looks and feels.

Now, do I need it? Well, it certainly is inspirational in feel, appearance and the vintage keyboard sounds. Right now, I'm just woodshedding on my ability to play. It would be great to find a gig someday and my choice of whatever I purchase should lend itself to that situation. But then again, I could probably get away with my current apprentice situation by getting some software instruments and controlling them with the Alesis.

I guess it comes down to just how much I'm "jones-ing" for a new keyboard.

We'll see. Next test drive will be the Yamaha CP-5.

Doug
Posted By: Mr.E

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 03/07/10 02:56 PM

Does anyone know, are stand and case available? Are they shipping? I have mine on order for over a month, and still haven't got them.

Thanks,
Ed
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 03/08/10 10:51 PM

There's a really nice gig bag for the SV-1 that is starting to show up on a few sites. A nice tight fit and well-padded, priced around $180.

Looks like it might fit Hammond XK-1 as well, but as the ends of the bag are curved (like the SV-1 itself), it's hard to know whether the shorter or the longer of the end-to-end dimensions was used in the SV-1 specs (maybe someone here could clarify?).
Posted By: BlackandWhite

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 03/08/10 11:14 PM

Holy crap! At $180, it oughta be motorized.

(I'll probably get one.)
Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 03/08/10 11:22 PM

Um, good bags cost money. All of my gig bags (except the PC3X, which the seller bundled with a nice Yamaha stage piano bag), are GigSkinz, which are around the same price for equivalent length.
Posted By: markm

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 07/31/10 10:54 AM

Is this thread still being viewed, would welcome any advice on the following.
To my ears - the Rhodes sound sounds kind of 'chime-like'. I have a few Rhodes VST emulations as well as a sampled instrument on an ASR-10 and they seem to have a bit more 'grit' about them. Am I the only one who thinks that the sound could do with more grit. I've tried changing the amp settings but that seems to just give me an overdriven sound - which is not really what I was looking for.
Also - are there any more sounds coming out for the SV-1 ? What would be great is some sort of mono synth sound. With the USB connectivity the SV-1 has - would we ever get the ability to create our own sounds and upload them to the instrument ?
Mark,

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SV-1, AKAI MPC 3000, ASR-10, Turbo Phatt.
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 07/31/10 11:54 AM

The SV-1 rhodes are kind of different (raw and glassy) to the usual rhodes in other romplers (Herbie-ish). In terms of adding grit, the amp simulation stuff does work but I find its a bit much like you infer.

I still haven't used the editor with mine but think it might be possible to do a fair amount of customisation there.

I doubt there will be any lead synths in the ROM but who knows for sure.
Posted By: markm

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 08/01/10 04:11 PM

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that !! May have to look into using the editor I guess...
Posted By: markm

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 08/10/10 10:02 AM

you know - if anyone from Korg is listening/reading - will there be any more updates coming out for the sv-1 in terms of voices ?There seem to be plenty for the nord keyboards...
Posted By: resigned

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 08/10/10 01:33 PM

From what I've gathered from reading some of the Korg rep comments, there may be waveforms on the SV-1 that have not been used yet - so Korg may be planning future SV-1 updates that will include "new" sounds, ie: voices based on the unused waveforms residing in memory.
Posted By: markm

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 08/10/10 03:53 PM

thanks for the update - just tried out some of the sounds from soundbank 2 and they're not bad - it would be good to have some sort of moog/worm 70's lead sound out of the choices we've got. That 'Van Halen' patch in the original soundbank really doesn't do it for me smile
Posted By: resigned

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 08/10/10 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By: markm
thanks for the update - just tried out some of the sounds from soundbank 2 and they're not bad - it would be good to have some sort of moog/worm 70's lead sound out of the choices we've got. That 'Van Halen' patch in the original soundbank really doesn't do it for me smile


That's been said a lot, but I dunno - I don't really need another Moog clone in my life. I like what the SV-1 does as is. But I guess if a Rush/Tom Sawyer lead synth sound could be put in the place of the Van Halen poly I'd go for it. grin
I'm betting we'll see more Mellotron-ish sounds.
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/10/10 06:06 PM

We've been promising it for a while and we're happy to tell you we've posted the next Sound Pack for the SV-1. Visit www.korg.com/sv1 and read all about it, listen to a lot of demos, and download it if you have an SV-1. We'd love to hear your comments. have a great weekend!

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/10/10 10:17 PM

Quote:
by the Pro:

I like what the SV-1 does as is.


The thing that players have to realize about instruments is this important FOOTBALL analogy "It is what it is". So I'd say you got it Jim.

I've read all kinds of crap being thrown at Yamaha for what they didn't put into the new XF, and a similar thing could be said of the Korg SV-1, but no where near as insulting as what has been going on at Motifator.com.

As you know Jim, I need a workstation to record and play the music that I do live, so I don't run out and buy a lot of different separate keyboards to built some kind of super gig rig. To me, the SV-1 is appealing as a fun synth that is loaded with vintage sounds that would be enjoyable to push a button and play. Korg doesn't seem to be sitting on their collective laurels about making changes to some of the functions and has just added another library of sounds. Maybe the SV-1 isn't for everyone, but it sure covers a lot of sonic territory. thu


Cheers,


Mike T.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/10/10 11:06 PM

Originally Posted By: jerrythek
We've been promising it for a while and we're happy to tell you we've posted the next Sound Pack for the SV-1. Visit www.korg.com/sv1 and read all about it, listen to a lot of demos, and download it if you have an SV-1. We'd love to hear your comments. have a great weekend!

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy


I've just spent some time listening to the new sounds....nice.

I'm very glad to see more Acoustic and Electric based Jazz Musicians represented here. The first one I listened to was Russell's Ac Bass & piano-very nice. It REALLY helps to hear this stuff played by great players in context. His 'Greenhouse" with the Strings was VERY cool too. He's so musical, he could make a DX-7 sound good.

I jumped over to Mitch Forman's E. Bass & piano next. The piano sounded overdubbed unless Mitch grew a third arm since last time I saw him. Again, very cool both the E. bass and piano and a really pretty song, 'Morning Walk". Mitch can play anything great.

I did appreciate Eldar's short display of pianistic virtuosity. A good showcase for the AP sound.

Speaking of virtuosity, it was great to hear Rob Schwimmer in a more introspective mood. He can really play the piano, needless to say. His touch was beautiful there. The tone on both piano 1 &2 sounded very nice.

Phil Markowitz is a terrific player and composer. Not exactly a household name but I've been a longtime fan. I've played "Evans" before, a great tune. Good to hear it in a condensed version here as well as his little Chic tribute on EP. Again both pianos, ac & el, sounded excellent I thought.

Had not heard of Paul Hefner but very nice, Bill inspired playing. A good example of the Piano in a more two hand, full bodied context.

What a wonderful player Chris Clark is. Another new name to me but very versatile and inventive in all styles. He shows off all those new sounds admirably.

I'm not a big organ guy but I really enjoyed Rodney Camps Gospel musings. Tasty and soulful. Those organs sound better then what was originally in there from what I remember.

Overall like mentioned, the EP are a little darker and less hyped. The Pianos do seem to have more sustain. When Russell was playing his lines I thought it sounded very legit. That "prog pad" that Jack played I liked a lot. The organs and the wah-clav seemed noticeably improved.

Now the million dollar question---will it sound that good live through a keyboard amp or a pair of $400-500 Mackie/JBL speakers you get from the GC ?
Probably as good as any other keyboard run through the same system I guess.

I'll be curious to hear/play it when it starts shipping with the SP-2 in the stores. Maybe I'll pick one up again.

A question that I think I know the answer to but wanted to check--would it be possible with the editor to keep any sounds from SP-1 (one of my favorites was "other bank/6" #5 Synth Brass ) when loading SP-2 in ? I'm guessing no.

It appears you can blush -"In addition, the Editor/Librarian software allows each of the 36 sounds and the eight Favorites to be programmed and saved individually".
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/11/10 08:48 AM

Nice to hear your reaction, Dave. When we finished the sounds I was about to reach out to you to get some pre-release feedback and then.... you posted your sold your SV-1!! :-(

As you surmised, you are in complete control to mix and match sounds from the preload, SoundPack 1, Sound Pack 2, your own edits, sounds shared by users etc.

This is a support release, and we are not changing factory production - it's not an official re-voicing, it's more choices. So you won't necessarily find store units completely loaded with these instead. But any dealer or user could use a laptop to audition and vary the sounds in the floor model.

Again - glad to get reaction!

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Music*aL

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/11/10 10:35 AM

Jerry,

I haven't followed that discussion very closely so, forgive me if I'm asking questions that have been answered already.

1) Can the split point be moved? If so, can you do it on the fly or must you use the editor?

2) Can the LH split voice be routed to a different output than the RH split voice?

3) In split mode, can the effects be applied separately to each voice?

Thx,

aL
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/11/10 11:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Music*aL
Jerry,
1) Can the split point be moved? If so, can you do it on the fly or must you use the editor?


Not by the user, it is programmed into the Sound itself. The SV-1 doesn't have a split function, but so many people asked for them so we knew we could do this - provide them for you. We could easily make new variations of the sounds if enough users say they need a different split point, for example.

Quote:
2) Can the LH split voice be routed to a different output than the RH split voice?

If we left off all stereo effects we could do that with panning for mono sounds, but that's a pretty kludgey workaround IMHO. So I'd rather just say no.

Quote:
3) In split mode, can the effects be applied separately to each voice?

Well, let's now remember to not say split mode - there is no mode. :-) Just like the layered sounds, we can remove the effects completely for one section, but we can't have separate/different effects on each half.

This is why we're not going to go crazy with splits, but we can certainly make more within the design of the product. So give us feedback - what type of sounds, what types of layers, what type of splits do you want/need? Within reason we can likely make them.

Enjoy!

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: Moonglow

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/11/10 01:35 PM

Sorry if I missed this, but is there a program consisting of a piano/strings layer? I only played an SV-1 briefly on one occasion, and don't recall auditioning a piano/strings program. Thanks.
Posted By: HAM&EGZ

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/11/10 03:21 PM

I believe there is an AP and string layer in soundpak 1.
To carry that a little further is there some mojo residing in the board that will let the factory create a piano string layer where the string layer volume could be controlled by the expression pedal ?? I am aware that the noise layer knob regulates the volume of the string layer now, but kinda hard to reach over in real time and do swells..
Posted By: Music*aL

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/11/10 03:36 PM

Thanks Jerry. I understand there is no split "mode", it was just shorthand to clarify my question!! Thanks for your answers.
Posted By: allan_evett

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/11/10 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Sorry if I missed this, but is there a program consisting of a piano/strings layer? I only played an SV-1 briefly on one occasion, and don't recall auditioning a piano/strings program. Thanks.


It does exist, the further question is: "Does it come with currently shipped models ?" The piano/string layer program is listed in the first of two Soundpacks now available; but, I also noticed it listed in Bank 4, under 'Sounds' on the SV-1 Specifications page.

I played the SV-1 very briefly at NAMM. After listening to the Soundpack, and checking out the SV-1 page a bit more, I may go play one today - as I'm in the midst of a bottom tier, live rig '88' re-evaluation: CP 5/50; RD-700 GFX, or NX; and now SV-1....
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/14/10 02:07 AM

The APs all sound generally improved but as I'm doing more detailed listening here with phones I'm liking the sound of Piano 2a the best.

On Chris Clark's tunes I like the F. Bass & E. Piano on "Mendy's" except I'm not a huge fan of a phaser on the Rhodes, I'm assuming you can take that off and just have the straight Rhodes. The EP has a nice sound to it especially doubling the unison line with the bass. That's a great demo.

I also like both of his Wurlitzer demos, I'm more partial to "Street Fair" 200B Reed EP. This guy's really a great player .

I can't quit listening to Russell's "Greenhouse" with the "String Ensemble". Very compelling piece of music.

I love the three pieces played by William Blyden- His "Tallis Variations" w/ "Small Strings" is beautiful as is his very moving rendition of "For All Saints" with the SV-1 choir. Gorgeous stuff.

I like the sound of Organ 2 in John Novello's "Time Crunch" and it sounds like the same organ again in "Nov Cee Blues". It kinda has that Larry Young vibe to it. And again Organ 2 in a contrasting Gospel style of Rodney Camps on "Moving Thoughts"...makes me want to learn how to REALLY play the organ.

Kudos Korg guys for putting the best musical examples, for a "keyboard" , played by great players that I've ever heard on the net.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/10 04:27 AM

I've never yet been tempted to re-buy an instrument I've let go but listening to these demos, the SV-1 could provoke that reaction in me. I've had a weekend of playing the CP5's EPs and clavs and while the EPs at least are OK, they have a flat and artificial quality compared with those in the Korg.

I think my mistake was to buy the 73-note version. Anytime I've tried to compromise on keyboard length, the pianist in me has rebelled big time.
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/10 05:35 AM

The new demos are seriously top-notch, and worthy of congratulations. But when is the peanut gallery going to get what we all know they really want: a demo of the most deeply Herbie-ish Herbie Rhodes sound, playing a classic Herbie tune in the most Herbie-esque fashion? grin
Posted By: Music*aL

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/10 10:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris

I can't quit listening to Russell's "Greenhouse" with the "String Ensemble". Very compelling piece of music.


One of my alltime favorite tunes. Check out the original here:

Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/10 06:52 PM

While at W. LA Music the other day I was telling Chris, one of the salesmen and a very nice guy, about the new "Soundpack 2". He agreed to download the new OS and SP 2 into their SV-1 floor model. By the end of the day I received a phone call from Chris informing me that the new bank was downloaded and ready to be auditioned. So today I made yet another trip over to W. LA in Universal City.

I spent about an hour playing it and to put it simply--it's a different instrument.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and might look foolish down the road (wouldn't be the first time ) but I think it's fair to say that the SV-1 is now the instrument we were all hoping for it to be when it first came out--at least sonically speaking.

First off I think the APs are much improved. On first listen I liked Piano #1 more then #2 through the less then ideal Maudio monitors. When I put my AKG 240s on I did like the detail and warmth of #2 better. Both pianos are now much more refined and without a doubt much more playable from a pianist's standpoint. The mono piano patch is the best "Mono Piano" I've ever heard. I usually hate the "Mono Piano" sound on a DP. All of the new APs sustain better so consequently the player connection with the action is better. Yes, you can play Jazz on it. taz You're not going to coax the nuances out of it like the CP-5 but it's WAY better than just ok.

I'm not a Rhodes expert (although I did own three in another lifetime ) but I can't imagine even the most hard core Rhodes enthusiast not finding at least one of the new tweaked sounds at worst, very good. The Nord Piano sat 5 feet away and I went back and forth. Without a doubt the NP has some excellent Rhodes sounds and some still might prefer those but the playability of the Korg for me was very attractive. I think all six of the new Rhodes sounds I heard are stellar.

Ditto the Wurlitzers. The Wurli I think is now comparable to the one in the Nord Piano which is really saying something. One thing I did notice is that out of the 12 new Rhodes and Wurlitzer sounds, not one used the "Amp Model" section.

Organs-not a big organ guy here but they'd work for me. Much improved I thought. I really like Organ #2. It has that Larry Young sound to it.

Regarding the Clavs, again not a sound I use a lot but the one or two that I played in the bank seemed less hyped and more realistic. I think they would sit better in the mix, live, then the previous generation.

One thing that was confusing me at first was there were none of the LH bass splits in the 6X6 banks. I asked Chris, "are you sure you downloaded the whole SP-2 ? " And he said ..Yeah, I think so. So I'm thinking to myself, I'm losing my mind, I've gone through these 36 sounds 4 times now and no splits, I did hear them on the demos, where the heck are they ?! They are in the "Favorites", who knew ?!

The split point on all the splits is Eb below middle C. The balance between the bass and the RH is excellent on all. There are variations with Acoustic Bass, Elec. bass and a more synth type bass. They're all very useable in typical LH bass situations you might encounter on a gig.

I could go on but I feel like I should be getting paid at this point so I'll just say, try and get your store or Korg rep guy to download that new bank if you are just familiar with the original sounds. I think it's a night and day difference between the two.
Posted By: Adan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/10 07:09 PM

Very encouraging. I'm going to go home and download. Or try to anyway. I was not able to download soundpack 1, so I've been using factory sounds all this time. I just couldn't see how to do it and Korg did not provide "dummy" instruction such as "next, using your right index finger, press the x button." Unfortunately, that seems to be what I need. There is probably a 9 year old SV-1 owner somewhere jamming away on Soundpack 2 and meanwhile I am stymied.
Posted By: MikeT156

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/15/10 07:13 PM

Its really too bad that the owner of the SV-1 can't create or edit their own splits, and balance between different sounds. So many Performance synths can be edited quickly and easily.


Mike T.
Posted By: kanker.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 12:17 AM

Originally Posted By: MikeT156
Its really too bad that the owner of the SV-1 can't create or edit their own splits, and balance between different sounds. So many Performance synths can be edited quickly and easily.


Mike T.
One of the many things about the SV-1 that leave me scratching my head.
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 04:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
I've had a weekend of playing the CP5's EPs and clavs and while the EPs at least are OK, they have a flat and artificial quality compared with those in the Korg.


Gotta say I've been having a similar reaction. When I got my CP5, it replaced my SV-1 as my main gigging bottom board because the APs were light years better, the EPs were comparable-to-somewhat-better, and the other perks (splits and layers, more "other" sounds) were desirable for my situation.

Now a few weeks later, I have come to the realization that for all the advantages the CP offers on paper, I just don't have as much fun playing it as I did the SV. It's weird, the CP's Rhodes sounds should be preferable to the SV's; they're way "smoother" and less jumpy, without that annoying bell-like quality at lower velocities... and yet somehow, they still manage to be nowhere near as expressive and musical (in my hands, anyway). For Wurlitzer, the SV simply wins hands-down. I thought the CP could hold its own at first, but there's just no contest. The SV makes me think I'm playing the real deal, while CP Wurly just sounds and feels lifeless by comparison. Also, the effects in the SV seem more authentic and organic to my ears (including the ever controversial amp sims), while the CP's sound a little cold and digital. And while I have learned to deal with the CP's nonintuitive interface, it still actively bugs the bejeezus out of me, while the simplicity of the SV's was blissful. The only area where I still think the CP comes out clearly ahead is the APsbut in the rock/r&b band context where I use it most, the difference just isn't that big. It's better, sure, but not by as wide a margin as the other aspects are worse. As for the other "practical" advantages of the CP, like the additional sounds and split capabilities, they are definitely useful... but staying with the board because of them would feel a lot like marrying the person who's stable and will make a good provider/parent/whatever, rather than the one you love.

So last week, while making yet another failed attempt to tweak the CP Rhodes' velocity response and brightness to get it to be even half as expressive and fun as the SV was right out of the box (and that's with the original sound set, not even the new improved ones), my decision was made: the SV-1 will go back to being my main gigging board as soon as I get it out of the shop (hopefully in a week). The only remaining decision will be whether to keep the CP5 as an at-home/recording instrument, or sell it.
Posted By: SK

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 05:12 AM

Originally Posted By: FunkKeyStuff
... the additional sounds and split capabilities, they are definitely useful... but staying with the board because of them would feel a lot like marrying the person who's stable and will make a good provider/parent/whatever, rather than the one you love.
laugh lol
very descriptive
Posted By: Bronks

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 08:17 AM

Originally Posted By: FunkKeyStuff


When I got my CP5, it replaced my SV-1 as my main gigging bottom board because the APs were light years better, the EPs were comparable-to-somewhat-better, and the other perks (splits and layers, more "other" sounds) were desirable for my situation.

Now a few weeks later, I have come to the realization that for all the advantages the CP offers on paper, I just don't have as much fun playing it as I did the SV. It's weird, the CP's Rhodes sounds should be preferable to the SV's; they're way "smoother" and less jumpy, without that annoying bell-like quality at lower velocities... and yet somehow, they still manage to be nowhere near as expressive and musical (in my hands, anyway). For Wurlitzer, the SV simply wins hands-down. I thought the CP could hold its own at first, but there's just no contest. The SV makes me think I'm playing the real deal, while CP Wurly just sounds and feels lifeless by comparison. Also, the effects in the SV seem more authentic and organic to my ears (including the ever controversial amp sims), while the CP's sound a little cold and digital. And while I have learned to deal with the CP's nonintuitive interface, it still actively bugs the bejeezus out of me, while the simplicity of the SV's was blissful. The only area where I still think the CP comes out clearly ahead is the APs—but in the rock/r&b band context where I use it most, the difference just isn't that big. It's better, sure, but not by as wide a margin as the other aspects are worse. As for the other "practical" advantages of the CP, like the additional sounds and split capabilities, they are definitely useful... but staying with the board because of them would feel a lot like marrying the person who's stable and will make a good provider/parent/whatever, rather than the one you love.

So last week, while making yet another failed attempt to tweak the CP Rhodes' velocity response and brightness to get it to be even half as expressive and fun as the SV was right out of the box (and that's with the original sound set, not even the new improved ones), my decision was made: the SV-1 will go back to being my main gigging board as soon as I get it out of the shop (hopefully in a week). The only remaining decision will be whether to keep the CP5 as an at-home/recording instrument, or sell it.


It's amazing how reading your post is like going through my own experiences. I'm now so eager to get my SV-1 from our bands training place to load it eith new sond back. It may be time for CP5 to work as training board...
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 02:21 PM

Originally Posted By: MikeT156
Its really too bad that the owner of the SV-1 can't create or edit their own splits, and balance between different sounds.


Actually, since an OS update a while back, you can adjust the volume of the layer on the fly, and I presume the same mechanism will now adjust the relative volumes in a split.

Jerry, is there a comprehensive list of the new patches in Soundpack 2 available somewhere? If there were enough bread-and-butter splits, it could yet force me to reconsider the SV-1...
Posted By: bhodaway10

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 02:39 PM

I hope Korg can figure out a way to route the splits to different outputs. I find that to be an extremely useful feature in the Nord Stage.

I'd also like to know if the volume of the splits could be adjusted on the fly or if split points could be changed via the editor?
Posted By: Music*aL

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 03:09 PM

Originally Posted By: bhodaway10
I hope Korg can figure out a way to route the splits to different outputs. I find that to be an extremely useful feature in the Nord Stage.

I'd also like to know if the volume of the splits could be adjusted on the fly or if split points could be changed via the editor?



Me too. I play LHB, and use a bass amp to which I feed the Nord Stage bass patch routed to its own output. Simple. No fuss, no muss.

Split points are fixed. Can't be moved. See earlier post from Jerry @ Korg.

I am also scratching my head about the lack of basic functions such as true splits and multiple audio output assignments on a board of this caliber.

aL
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 03:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan

Jerry, is there a comprehensive list of the new patches in Soundpack 2 available somewhere? If there were enough bread-and-butter splits, it could yet force me to reconsider the SV-1...


The list is included with the Editor file - just download and unzip the SoundPack 2.

:-)

Regards,

Jerry
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 05:32 PM

Originally Posted By: FunkKeyStuff

The only area where I still think the CP comes out clearly ahead is the APsbut in the rock/r&b band context where I use it most, the difference just isn't that big. It's better, sure, but not by as wide a margin as the other aspects are worse.


I totally agree with a lot you said FKS regarding the CP-5. I've had mine now 2 days short of a month. There are some things I love about it and some things I'm not too keen on. I think the more clean APs work best in a softer Jazz/Standards context then a Rock/RnB scenario.

I think one of the perception problems with the CP-5, myself included , is that we expected this to be an all in one board. I think the SV-1, with its new soundset, seems to be about has close to that as I've heard in that price range. Of course you could add the S90XS in the mix too as the perfect all in one and maybe for some players it is. With the S6 piano sample issue on the S90XS, I don't think it would be for me.

Don't mean to turn this into a CP-5/S90XS thread. I too really love the Korg, especially after hearing the transformation yesterday. I don't know if I can afford or even want to have both the CP-5 and SV-1 sitting around. I'll probably make up my mind in the coming weeks on which way to go with this.
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 05:40 PM

Haha Dave, you must have an understanding wife grin

Btw... got the ST-SV1 stand today.. gotta congratulate Korg for such an awesome sturdy construction... worth the wait...

thu
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 05:51 PM

She was ready to shoot me (I'm ready to shoot me) but now it's just gotten to the point of--w h a t e v e r . cry
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 06:01 PM

Dave: since you've focused a lot on the sounds in the CP5 and the SV-1, can you compare the actions? Which do you find more enjoyable to play? On which board do you feel more connected to the sounds? Does the CP5's wood keys make a noticeable difference?
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 06:05 PM

From my POV, I know that my RD-700GX has a much better action, but the tradeoff with the weight and far better e-piano sounds makes the SV-1 a much better gigging option for my purposes...
Posted By: jerrythek

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 06:24 PM

A couple of quick notes:

On the new splits we put the LH sounds into the RX/Layer element so you CAN adjust their volume relative to the RH. Just use the Function 8 + bass EQ knob shortcut, or the editor.

You can't set the split point yourself, but we could if enough people said they needed a different point.

I know it's a "kludge" and originally the team was reticent to expose these sounds for the very reason that the product was not designed to offer split functionality. But since we had the extra room in the ROM and chose to put in a few basses for future reuse of the ROM, and then people were asking for the splits we figured why not give you the basic sounds you were asking for/we could rather than holding back... So we knew these issues of flexibility would come up. But isn't it better to do something rather than holding it back?

I'm just sharing some honest dialog with you all. Keep the feedback coming!

Regards,

Jerry
Korg Guy
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 06:37 PM

Hi Jerry,

I'm very appreciative of the updates you guys have done. grin

Btw, y'know I just put my CX3 on that SV-1 stand and I'm just thinking it a shame those holes don't line up with the ones on the CX!! I know I want the moon on a stick right? wink
Posted By: Marillo

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 08:48 PM

Great sounds, but if classical/romantic is your bag (as it is mine) I'm not sure the APs still quite cut it. I'm aware that Chopin nocturnes were not really why this board was created, but it'd be nice to have it all!
Posted By: HAM&EGZ

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 10:15 PM

Splits ARE nice, but I can see where the original concept of the board was mono-timbral and the designers hesitant to open up a can of worms (or waveforms).

I would like to see layering where the second layer could be controlled by the expression pedal, but thats contrary to my previous observation.

Jerry made a statement about the "hidden" bass waveforms/voices in the ROM. I wonder what else might be lurking there?
Posted By: Moonglow

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/16/10 11:01 PM

While I really liked the SV-1 when I briefly played it at a GC in Chicago, I personally can't seriously consider it until it approaches some of the features of my Nord Stage (e.g., splits, layers, MIDI controller functions....dare I say even a dedicated organ section). Admittedly, an unfair comparison given the price differential and inconsistent with the concept Korg had in mind when they developed the SV-1....but I'm afraid the can of worms has been opened.
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/18/10 02:22 PM

The only workaround I could see would be to allow split points to be defined in the software editor... not perfect by any means but better than nothing.

My thinking is that Korg went at the SV-1 to make it clear it was a piano first and foremost and the immediate usability of the UI illustrates that... I have checked out the Yamaha CP-1, CP-5 et al and I have no idea what I'm doing to even change a patch... I had a similar experience with the RD700 in a shop years before I bought the GX... they are not very intuitive at all at first use.

However for the jobbing keyboard player who needs on demand definable splits and all that the SV-1 is probably not ideal for them.. but for the guy who is in a band with a bass player and drummer the SV-1 is tops... I do agree it should have been there orignally though... but then again Moog missed off a WRITE Patch button on the Voyager of all things.. so nobody is perfect in this regard!

Like, Jerry states, Korg have tried to incorporate requests but there is a limit imposed by the interface. I suppose given time again some kind of 'soft key' approach would be better but thats getting back to more complexity that the SV-1 was trying to avoid in the first place...
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/18/10 03:16 PM

Originally Posted By: D-Bon
Dave: since you've focused a lot on the sounds in the CP5 and the SV-1, can you compare the actions? Which do you find more enjoyable to play? On which board do you feel more connected to the sounds? Does the CP5's wood keys make a noticeable difference?

Dana-

From just the one time of playing the revised Korg sounds, I thought the CP-5 still has the superior action for playing the CF Grand patch.
I can't connect however with the CP-5's action on the only Rhodes that will cut through for me live right now--that would be the "78Rd".

I don't think I'm consciously aware of the fact the Cp-5 has the wooden or faux wood keys, I'm more concerned how the action feels then the materiel itself.

I'd probably have to use the new and improved SV-1 live again and see how it responds in the heat of battle to really say for sure but for overall sounds and overall "player connection", I think the Korg would have the edge in that area. Again, I'd need to have the SV-1 in my studio next to the CP-5 for awhile to say for sure, but right now I think I'd still prefer the AP connection on the Yamaha, on the other hand the AP sound of the Korg I'm thinking will have more color and character live, so it's a hard to say for sure till you live with both of them for awhile and really get the sound and feel in your head and hands. That's the way it works for me in any case.

Both keyboards are very nice to play as far as electronic keyboards go-imo they are the two of the best feeling actions available. I'd still prefer to be on a quality acoustic though.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/19/10 09:46 PM

Thanks Dave.
Posted By: HAM&EGZ

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/20/10 10:44 AM

I have to admit it, I got caught up in the split/layer fervor here. I had lost sight of the original goal the designers had in mind for the SV-1 and emulation of electro mechanical keyboards of vintage variety. A Rhodes had no splits or layers, CP-80, Wurli, B3-- NADA
.
I find the APs very usable for the type of music my band is playing. I feel the organs are the least shining in an exposed light, but thats what the Electro 3 is for.

Kudos to Korg for attempting to meet the suggestions of owners for the split and layers with an OS that was not designed to accomplish such.

Finally , the case design is out of the ordinary , but I love the slanted front panel, its easy to grab a knob or push a button asnd its right in front of you.

I hope we see more sound packs from Korg and there are a few more waveforms yet untapped.
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 09/20/10 04:06 PM

good point musicman.... I for sure love the SV-1 in the band context. In solo context or bassless bands (I do a trio sometimes with a singer and sax and I use my GX in that case) its not quite up to the task unless you consider taking another board..

Bottom line... SV-1 is a great board and a modern classic IMHO... but not meant to be an all rounder.
Posted By: RichF

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 10/01/10 11:52 AM

Thanks for the review Dave, glad you liked it.
Posted By: musomarc

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 10/09/10 03:50 AM

Hi Dave and any other Korg SV1 owners,
I'm about to buy a Korg SV1 but having trouble deciding between the 73 and 88 note versions.
I'd just like to get your opinions/feedback on the Korg SV1 73 versus 88 note boards.Which one did you choose and what were your reasons for selecting?
Any comments would be most appreciated.
Regards
musomarc
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 10/09/10 05:01 AM

I originally bought the 73 because I fancied a lighter, more compact piano I could move in and out of small venues and spaces easier. It was brilliant for band work but solo, as primarily a pianist, I found the cut-off at the bottom particularly difficult to work with.

As I work mostly solo piano jobs, I couldn't justify keeping the Korg just for the occasional band work and so sold it. Had I bought the 88, I suspect I would still have it in my possession.

So, if you're going to use it primarily in a band, I'd say save the space, weight and (a little) cash with the 73. If you're going to use it solo for any extended periods, it's 88 all the way.
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 10/09/10 02:43 PM

73 is good for transportation and is a little bit lighter... I didn't mind too much the lack of the other keys for most things as I used a Rhodes 73 for a while, but it is a little strange when playing acoustic piano.. thing is you do get used to it...
Posted By: musomarc

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro Video - 10/10/10 05:25 AM

Hi Korg SV1'ers,
Thanks for your comments and suggestions re 73 vs 88 keys!
Regards
musomarc
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/24/10 09:30 PM

Following up on my post above, I'm just finishing up my second week of gigs after switching back to the SV-1 from the CP5, and I couldn't be happier about it. The SV, even with its limitations and imperfections, just feels and sounds and reacts like a real instrument under my fingers, while the CP, much as I hate to say it, always ended up feeling like a rompler (with the notable exception of the AP sounds). As soon as I got the SV back home, plugged it in and played one chord, I could feel my brain and body go, "Aaahhh, that's what we've been missing."

All the comparisons I made above are still holding true. The Rhodes and Wurli tunes have gone back to being honestly fun to play, rather than a chore of trying to coax something musical out of the sounds. And while AP sounds are clearly not as realistic or detailed as the CP's, I still find them musical and expressive, and easily good enough to do what they really need to do: allow me to forget about them and focus on making music (which no non-AP sound on the CP ever did). Sure, there are times when I miss the CP's piano, but they're a tiny fraction of the times I find myself smiling about something the SV can do, that the CP lacked.

Thus is my journey from SV-1 to CP5 and back.
Posted By: resigned

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/24/10 10:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
I originally bought the 73 because I fancied a lighter, more compact piano I could move in and out of small venues and spaces easier. It was brilliant for band work but solo, as primarily a pianist, I found the cut-off at the bottom particularly difficult to work with.

As I work mostly solo piano jobs, I couldn't justify keeping the Korg just for the occasional band work and so sold it. Had I bought the 88, I suspect I would still have it in my possession.

So, if you're going to use it primarily in a band, I'd say save the space, weight and (a little) cash with the 73. If you're going to use it solo for any extended periods, it's 88 all the way.


I agree with this up to the point of selling the SV-1 73... I still have my faithful Kawai ES4 88-note piano for solo and/or upscale gigs but I keep that SV-1 73 for band gigs, jams, etc. It really is the right size keyboard for band work, and the band likes it too. The SV-1 73 for me is my fun sports car whereas the 88-note Kawai is more like the family sedan.
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/27/10 01:23 AM

Stopped in again and played the APs from SP2 for about a half hour again today.

They have a nice sound and character to them, specifically Piano 2A and 1A/B. Would love to get another SV-1 over here and spend some more time with it in depth outside the music store environment..

Posted By: Moonglow

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 10/27/10 02:17 AM

Dave, I say cop the SV-1 and pull off the trifecta! grin wink
Posted By: Unbalanced Jack

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/10 02:27 PM

Hello

Im new on the forum so hello everyone! Thanks everso for sharing all your insight about the SV-1 on here. Its been a very enlightening and entertaining read!

Ive had a good read through pretty much the entire thread and cant find info on a couple of things that Id really like to know about. I hope you dont mind me asking.

Basically, Im about to splash the cash on one, but having tried one out in the shop I have a couple of niggles.

AMP NOISE The amp presets make the Rhodes (in particular IMO) sound GREAT but very noisy/hissy. Ive investigated as thoroughly as I can and have learned the there is a noise reduction dial in the amp settings on the editor. It appears that works as a noise gate? Does anyone have any experience of successfully reducing the hiss on the amp settings through using this setting? I love the tone, but need to know that I can reduce that hiss before I invest! Has anyone had similar issues?

LOCK is it possible to lock the dials/buttons so that you dont inadvertently click into a Clav half way through a piano ballad?! Ive read its an update thats coming or has it arrived? I cant find an answer to this anywhere and would love to know if anyone knows for sure?

Thanks a lot everyone!
Posted By: Josh Paxton

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/10 05:23 PM

The "lock" issue has been resolved. With the current OS, you have to hold the buttons in for a brief fraction of a second to make a change, so nothing will happen if you just accidentally nick one while playing. This was one of my quibbles with the original OS, as I was accidentally changing patches or hitting Local Off about once per gig. But since the upgrade it hasn't been a problem for me at all.

I haven't had a problem with amp hiss or messed with the noise reduction, so I'm afraid I can't help you there.
Posted By: Unbalanced Jack

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/10 05:34 PM

That's brilliant! Thanks everso for letting me know about the lock update. Much appreciated!

Has anyone else on here had issues with the amp hiss/noise? Maybe I was just being a bit sensitive! I'll go in again tomorrow and experiment a bit I reckon..
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/11/10 05:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Unbalanced Jack
I just noticed your user name. That's frickin' hilarious! thu
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/12/10 03:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Unbalanced Jack
That's brilliant! Thanks everso for letting me know about the lock update. Much appreciated!

Has anyone else on here had issues with the amp hiss/noise? Maybe I was just being a bit sensitive! I'll go in again tomorrow and experiment a bit I reckon..



Yep it is a bit over the top and can't be gotten around... still I have learned to love it... real rhodes were not particularly quiet anyway.
Posted By: Tuggy

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/12/10 08:23 PM

If only the splits can be changed from the software editor, this would be a definite purchase for me. The rhodes on the soundset 2 sounds amazing!
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 11/13/10 12:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Tuggy
IThe rhodes on the soundset 2 sounds amazing!


I'm not a huge "rhodes guy" but I think they are excellent. As I mentioned a few pages back, none of the new "soundpack 2" 12 EPS, rhodes or wurlies , use that "amp modeling" feature. Personally I like them better now without that, they sound less hyped to me.

Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/01/11 06:58 AM

I've been thinking about re-buying the SV-1 88 since Korg introduced the Soundpack 2 sounds back in Sept.. I'm in the position to trade my Yamaha GT-2 Gran Touch DP for an even trade but I'm having second thoughts after continually monitoring the Korg Forums on the SV-1.
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=57

I don't hang out at other dedicated synth sites like the Motif or Kurzweil so I don't know for sure if this is normal, but this board seems to have a LOT of issues--from keybeds to editor and startup problems in addition to other miscellaneous bugs. I owned the SV-1 88 for only about 6 weeks and had no problems. Granted this isn't a long period of time plus I didn't try to download the new OS or mess with the editor and the SP2 sounds.

I'm wondering is this just a small percentage of users having bad luck or is this more widespread ?
Posted By: resigned

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/01/11 09:15 AM

I don't know the answer to this question but i did have some problems with getting the editor to work at one point. I resolved it and have had no other issues thankfully. I gigged with my SV-1 73 extensively last month and have nothing but good things to report, but I too have kept an eye on the Korg forums and I can only hope the issues posted there are isolated problems.

When I was working at a pro audio repair center last year I saw a lot of new Korg M3's come in for warranty repair, but much of it was due to display floor abuse. I wonder if people are buying SV-1's that have been out on display and abused?
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/01/11 09:38 AM

No problems at all from me, I've gigged with it a few times (maybe less than 10 times) so not as much as you guys...

Currently its in its bag at a friends place... for the last month or two..
Posted By: Dugg64

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/05/11 12:33 PM

Hello All:

I pulled the trigger last month and ordered a SV-1 73 through my local dealer.

When my first one arrived, the volume knob didn't work and the low F key was broken. I had no problem with my dealer ordering a replacement for me. The second SV-1 came in last week and all seemed fine.

However, I did notice that some of the knob LEDs were a dimmer brightness than others. Not sure if this is an indication of some impending problem, but so far no major issues other than cosmetic. I think I can live with it if it isn't an indication of things ugly to come.

Also, some of the keys, particularly the low C, seem to make more noise than others. For example, as I'm playing a steady eighth note pattern in C octaves, the low C makes a "thwapping" sound as I play it. I realize that there is some key sound inherent in the RH3 keybed, but this seems particularly excessive to my ears. I could always crank the volume, but I don't feel I should need to do this especially on a new board.

Has anyone else experienced noisy keys on the SV-1? Some might be able to live with it, but it really bothers me. I'll probably have my dealer get another one in, but I'll request that a specialist really do a "go-over" of my board before it ships.

Let me know your thoughts when you can.

Thanks,

Doug
Posted By: tucktronix

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/05/11 12:58 PM

Bought mine last May and have been gigging with it extensively since then. I still have the issue with inadvertent patch changes when a function button is mistakenly hit during a solo. This has happened quite a few times even though I have the latest OS version uploaded.
Posted By: HAM&EGZ

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/05/11 03:18 PM

Dugg64 there is a topic over at the korg forum concerning the noisy keybeds , seems to be an issue with some

edit : i see youve posted there already about the led brightness thing
Posted By: Bronks

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/05/11 03:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Dugg64

Has anyone else experienced noisy keys on the SV-1? Some might be able to live with it, but it really bothers me. I'll probably have my dealer get another one in, but I'll request that a specialist really do a "go-over" of my board before it ships.

Let me know your thoughts when you can.

Thanks,

Doug


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i2wa7dbxJI
Posted By: bhodaway10

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/05/11 03:50 PM

The SV-1 at my local GC clicks like that video. I'm sure it's been "abused."

I hope the issue is resolved.
Posted By: Moonglow

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/05/11 04:07 PM

Originally Posted By: orangefunk
.....Currently its in its bag at a friends place... for the last month or two..

Can I be your friend? grin wink
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/05/11 04:26 PM

The 88 at W. LA Music in U. City, the one I've played a bazillion times now with the SP2 loaded in, clicks too. Of course who knows how many guys have been pounding away on this thing over the last 6 months.

I've also noticed on a few occasions a startup problem on that particular model. One time there was about a five second delay when I powered it on.

Man, I really would like to get this again. The overall sound of the APs might not be as "technically advanced" as the new 700NX that I played for the first time yesterday, or my CP5, but I just really like the sound of it with the new SP2 sounds--the APs, the Rhodes and Wurlis. It has a vibe or character that's hard to put into words, it's just appealing to me. Throw in the smaller footprint and 10 lbs. less then the CP5 it would seem a no-brainer.

BUT-----I can't be screwing with defective keys, the thing not powering on at an important gig or any gig for that matter. I would expect some of these issues with the Casio stuff but not Korg. I'd already decided to buy from an in town store so that if I do have problems , I won't have to hassle shipping it back to Sweetwater or whoever. Still, I'm a little gun shy right now.
Posted By: Gary75

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/05/11 05:42 PM

No issues here with latest OS. SP2 is the best sounding so far to me.
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/05/11 06:18 PM

No problems here either... the start up might be related to the valve warming up and that might be dependent on the temperature of the room.
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/05/11 06:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Originally Posted By: orangefunk
.....Currently its in its bag at a friends place... for the last month or two..

Can I be your friend? grin wink


Of course grin
Posted By: Bronks

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/05/11 07:36 PM

I'm also happy to say mine (73) works just fine after about 20 gigs. Even I brought up that link - just because asked...

I also use many samples of SP2. It just connects!
Posted By: Dugg64

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/11 03:47 PM

Thanks to you all for directing me in the right direction regarding the keybed issue.

I guess I should have done my research before posting. It does seem that others are having the same issue. Yet, some SV-1 owners haven't experienced the key noise problems.

The keyboard guy from my local store came by my house to check out the problem. He was very much in agreement that the keybed issue is real with my board. He will be contacting the Korg rep and see what options are available. I'm pretty confident that my dealer will do right by me. I guess it's just a question of what.

Do certain SV-1s need to be recalled for this problem to be properly rectified? Other Korg boards have the same RH3 keybed without the noise problems.

An option that will probably be available to me is for a replacement to be sent out that will be inspected before it ships. My only concern is whether or not the keybed noise issue will eventually arise over use and time.

Again, thanks for all the help. I'll keep you apprised of what happens.

Doug
Posted By: Jazz+

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/07/11 05:10 PM

The Roland FP4 can have clicking issues with its black keys. There are vertical guide posts under each black key and the black keys bump against them when played from any off center angle. They put grease on the guide poists to quiet it down but eventually the grease can slide away and then the keys click when they bump their guide post.
Posted By: luclepianiste

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/28/11 07:32 AM

Hi from France smile

I apologize for my English, i hope you'll understand my sentences.

I would like to know if we can hope a soundpack3 one day? And if one day we can create our own splits? For example one of my dreams: imagine the upright piano from a1 to e4, and gp2 on other keys (or mono upright may be). It be fantastic! Today the upright piano is very beautiful from A1 to D4, but really unusable on the right half of the keyboard.
Other feedback: the mono upright piano (and mono grand too) sounds really nice to play blues etc...(with a little chorus effect) but it has no decay, it's strange.

Despite this, i really love love love this piano.

Regards
Posted By: CrimsonianKing

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/28/11 11:14 AM

How realistic do the tape strings sound? better than the NE3 mellotron patches?
Posted By: HAM&EGZ

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/28/11 11:51 AM

Originally Posted By: luclepianiste
Hi from France smile

I apologize for my English, i hope you'll understand my sentences.

I would like to know if we can hope a soundpack3 one day? And if one day we can create our own splits? For example one of my dreams: imagine the upright piano from a1 to e4, and gp2 on other keys (or mono upright may be). It be fantastic! Today the upright piano is very beautiful from A1 to D4, but really unusable on the right half of the keyboard.
Other feedback: the mono upright piano (and mono grand too) sounds really nice to play blues etc...(with a little chorus effect) but it has no decay, it's strange.

Despite this, i really love love love this piano.

Regards



I would hope also for additional soundpacks.

As far as creating our own splits, according to Jerry from Korg, that is not possible with the SV-1. Perhaps the SV-2 will do that.
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/28/11 12:26 PM

Originally Posted By: CrimsonianKing
How realistic do the tape strings sound? better than the NE3 mellotron patches?

No.
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/28/11 02:07 PM

Presumably it might be possible for Korg to develop the software editor to program splits, were they so inclined.

PS/ Talk about your Thread That would not Die...
Posted By: Dana.

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/28/11 02:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Aidan
PS/ Talk about your Thread That would not Die...

Blame Joe for starting it. mad

wink
Posted By: Joe Muscara

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/28/11 05:48 PM

grin
Posted By: luclepianiste

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 01/28/11 07:41 PM

Hello again smile

Here is a simulation of the split that I would (vintage piano/grand piano2) made with audacity:

http://www.cijoint.fr/cjlink.php?file=cj201101/cijNzi4EWN.zip
Posted By: Dave Ferris

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 04/04/11 02:43 AM

It's back.... cry

At least temporarily. I swapped a pair of AKG 451s and a few hundred bucks to a friend for his barely used, only in the studio, 88. The mics were largely going unused and I was getting sick of waiting for the Kronos, so I went with it; definitely a spur of the moment thing....

I was at his place laying down some rhodes stuff, we got to talking and the next thing you know..... laugh

I need to download the new OS and SP 2 when I get a minute. But just as it is, I'm digging it, different vibe then the CP5. And 10 lbs. lighter. thu

Anyway, when the Kronos comes out I'll see if it's worth it to me to have the upgraded piano sound and all the other bells and whistles. The SV-1 might be perfectly fine.
I figure I can always sell it , probably not lose too much if any dough, or just hold onto it. I know there will be gigs where I won't feel like it's worth it hauling a 3K keyboard. smirk

I have a few rock/RnB things coming up where this will be cool. cool
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 04/04/11 05:23 AM

YOU ARE BLOODY MAD !!! grin
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 04/04/11 05:24 AM

Dave, when I get a chance I will forward some of my patches... the rhdoes esp improves on the Korg preset..
Posted By: Aidan

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 04/04/11 06:33 AM

Be sure to add this to your setlist, Dave...

Posted By: bhodaway10

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 04/04/11 01:14 PM

Congrats again Dave! smile
Posted By: Mitch Towne

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 05/21/11 02:39 PM

Geez...this forum is hell on my Discover card! I tried out an SV1 about a year ago and returned it because I didn't like the bellish Rhodes nor the plasticy Wurly. (I was one of the "Give me a Herbie tone or give me death!" guys!)

So, now I stumble on this forum and learn that there is a new sound pack out and that it makes the SV1 almost a whole new instrument. It sounds like they listened to what people said and made some changes. Do most of you really feel like the new sound pack "changes the game?"

Thanks.
Posted By: BlackandWhite

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 05/21/11 11:47 PM

Quote:
Do most of you really feel like the new sound pack "changes the game?"

Haven't spent much time with the new OS, yet. For that matter, I was quite happy with many of the sounds "out of the box." Maybe you can get your local dealer to update the floor model.

14 months and some 30 gigs later, I'm still liking my 73. Question: anyone replaced the pre-amp tube yet? What's the expected life of those?
Posted By: marino

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 05/22/11 01:04 AM

Maybe this is a better place to ask again a question from another thread:

Did anybody notice a difference in keyboard weighting between the 73-key version and the 88?
I played both at a store a few days ago, and their actions felt definely different to me. This was confirmed by the guy at the store.
However, the korg site says RH3 action for both.

Note - It was NOT a difference in velocity response cuves; there was a definite difference in the physical feel of the keys.
Posted By: orangefunk

Re: Korg SV-1 Stage Vintage Piano - Official Product Intro V - 05/22/11 06:34 AM

Had the same impression when I played them side by side in Germany a few years back... I assumed the difference was because one may have been played more than the other...
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