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Posted By: Paul Kondig I feel like quitting - 11/25/19 07:45 PM
Lately i have been feeling like selling everything and saying Hell with it. I know I said I was making an effort, but who am I kidding. I’m not making an effort at all, and not really trying. I just quit and give up. I know a lot of you will say” Paul don’t give up!” Or You have mentioned this before, but I have to be honest with myself, I never really wanted to play or make music in the first place. I would rather spend time on my iPad or iPhone. I just don’t have the motivation too do it. I just don’t feel like it! Even when I was taking piano lessons. I didn’t really care at all, and still don’t. I’m just wasting my time and everyone else’s!

PEACE!
Posted By: Greg Mein Re: I feel like quitting - 11/25/19 09:27 PM
It really is about having fun. It hasn't always been fun for me either. I've been pulled in directions I didn't want to go and stressed out by the amount of work I've needed to do with some bands. I have a great full time job where I'm paid well and don't need to be out playing at all. I've certainly thought and dreamed about being a professional over the years but it most certainly has been better for me to keep it as a hobby. It's a hobby I now get to share with my wife which is totally awesome. Even so, I've been involved in playing essentially all of my life and in recent years it's gotten harder to remain motivated and inspired but since it's not a requirement I mostly do it at my leisure these days and don't spend a great deal of time at it.
Posted By: Nowarezman Re: I feel like quitting - 11/25/19 10:12 PM
I feel similarly from time to time. It passes.

Much better to do something and occasionally feel like it's waste of time than actually wasting your time and occasionally feeling like you should be doing something.

nat
Posted By: KuruPrionz Re: I feel like quitting - 11/25/19 11:00 PM
Everybody is different.
I am incapable of not playing music.
I write songs in my head all the time.

If you don't want to do it, find something you do want to do and do that.
It doesn't matter what it is - George Washington Carver was avid about botanicals, I doubt he chose that. It chose him.
Others knit, draw, shoot pool, etc.

What has chosen you?
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 11/25/19 11:15 PM
An iPad!

Well, there is my collection of antique phonographs and records.
Posted By: Anderton Re: I feel like quitting - 11/26/19 04:33 AM
Then quit - there's no sense in forcing yourself. FWIW I stopped playing guitar for two years many years ago. As you can see, it didn't stick smile
Posted By: Anti-DarkyLord Re: I feel like quitting - 11/26/19 11:18 AM
I recommend checking what brand of cables you use first. You do not want to be accused of
Quit Proco.

coffee
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 11/26/19 12:29 PM
facepalm
Posted By: Notes_Norton Re: I feel like quitting - 11/26/19 03:27 PM
If it ain't fun, don't do it unless you have to. Life is short.

I think gigging is the most fun I can have with my clothes on. I don't intend to ever retire.

Notes
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 11/26/19 06:28 PM
I’m not earning a living from it.
Posted By: Anderton Re: I feel like quitting - 11/26/19 09:08 PM
Originally Posted by paulkondig
I’m not earning a living from it.


Most musicians aren't. I've made a significant amount of money from music over the years, but I don't even try any more. As I tweeted recently, "Happiness isn't about selling records. It's about making music."

I'm simply not "commercial." My music is somewhat cerebral; I don't do "I wanna rock all night and party every day!" My projects are quite different, I'm not even sure I have a "sound." I have no interest in touring to promote music which isn't really intended for a mass audience.

And you know what? IT'S EFFING AWESOME!!! I can play whatever I want, whenever I want. I've never had more fun making music, and I've never been happier with the music I'm making. No pressure.

I'd say lighten up and just play. Play anything! I'm at my best musically speaking when I don't think I should be making music. I just pick up an instrument, try not to think, and see what happens.
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 11/27/19 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anderton
Originally Posted by paulkondig
I’m not earning a living from it.


Most musicians aren't. I've made a significant amount of money from music over the years, but I don't even try any more. As I tweeted recently, "Happiness isn't about selling records. It's about making music."

I'm simply not "commercial." My music is somewhat cerebral; I don't do "I wanna rock all night and party every day!" My projects are quite different, I'm not even sure I have a "sound." I have no interest in touring to promote music which isn't really intended for a mass audience.

And you know what? IT'S EFFING AWESOME!!! I can play whatever I want, whenever I want. I've never had more fun making music, and I've never been happier with the music I'm making. No pressure.

I'd say lighten up and just play. Play anything! I'm at my best musically speaking when I don't think I should be making music. I just pick up an instrument, try not to think, and see what happens.




I know, it’s just trying not to think is the hard part.
Posted By: KenElevenShadows Re: I feel like quitting - 11/27/19 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by Markyboard
I recommend checking what brand of cables you use first. You do not want to be accused of
Quit Proco.

coffee


Okay, that's it, that's TOO painful, man...is there any way we can unceremoniously remove Mark from this forum? wink grin
Posted By: KenElevenShadows Re: I feel like quitting - 11/27/19 07:20 PM
I don't play music for the money! I play it because it's FUN and fills a void and is creative and is utterly enjoyable and, yes, because it's FUN!

If you derive no pleasure out of playing, don't do it. Seriously. Do something that brings you joy!

I also don't make money from eating tacos al vapor, backpacking throughout West Africa or South America, hanging out with friends over drinks, swimming at the beach, going on a long hike in the wilderness, or reading a book. Why do we always have to think about monetizing things? Why do we give a crap about this at all?
Posted By: Anderton Re: I feel like quitting - 11/27/19 07:26 PM
Originally Posted by KenElevenShadows

I also don't make money from eating tacos al vapor, backpacking throughout West Africa or South America, hanging out with friends over drinks, swimming at the beach, going on a long hike in the wilderness, or reading a book. Why do we always have to think about monetizing things? Why do we give a crap about this at all?


This is exactly what I say at my workshops! Although I use bowling as an example. Sure, there are pro bowlers - but it's a really select group, and the odds of making money from it are minuscule. Most people do bowling because it's fun. Same with fishing.
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 11/27/19 07:55 PM
And at the same time. I have a fascination with synthesizers .
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 11/27/19 11:51 PM
Thank you all for your help, and support! I guess I just needed to vent!
Posted By: Notes_Norton Re: I feel like quitting - 11/28/19 01:02 AM
For me gigging is fun, but I know it's not for everybody. I'm fortunate to be able to play music for a living. I've never lacked for gigs. Either I'm very lucky, very good, or I've fooled enough people into thinking I'm very good.

Some people hate playing for a living. It takes the fun out of it for them. Not for me, I love it. Different folks have different personalities.

I've had two "day jobs" in my life, Telephone Installer/Repairman (back when phones had wires) and Cable TV Field Engineer. Playing "Yakety Sax" beats climbing a utility pole or riding up in a bucket truck in the winter -- or actually any day.

I love both my audience and the love they send back to me. They are like extended family, they come up and hug us, and some who vacation here even have given us their addresses "up north" or in other countries telling us we are welcome to stay with them for vacation. We play, they dance and applaud us, they tell us about their families, we celebrate their joys and console their losses. We play shtick games and act silly on stage, get them involved singing along or singing nonsense syllables instead of the real words in the hook, it's like being the class clown in a way.

I'm in a duo with my wife now. When I met her she was in a different band. Both our bands broke up, and we got into a 5 piece together. Eventually we decided to go duo. Later we married. I write my own backing tracks, because it's a creative and learning exercise for me.

I don't record and sell recordings (although some local studios hire me on other people's recordings), I really like playing live. And while pop music tends to be a little simplistic (sometimes the simplicity is deceptive), it's about having fun with it.

I do record aftermarket MIDI styles for the auto-accompaniment app, Band-in-a-Box. When visiting music stores while on vacation, or meeting people in bands I've listened to, I've been asked a dozen times if I'm "The Real Bob 'Notes' Norton". My audience spans over 100 different countries in the BiaB market. To tell the truth, that won't make me rich, but it sure feels good. I think Craig can relate to that good feeling. It's like applause which tells me I'm doing good work.

I started making BiaB styles for myself, gave them to my friends who told me I should be selling them. I took an ad out in Electronics Musician (when Craig was editor) and now 27 years later, I'm still selling them. I write in the summer during the slow season in Florida

I can play 'art music' at home and I definitely listen to art music (mostly great symphonies) when i want that. I also listen to simple music when I'm in that mood.

Being in the phone company or working for the Cable TV Electronics Manufacturer wasn't fun. I could have made a lot more money at it but I really wasn't enjoying life. I found normal to be soooooo overrated wink

OK what is all this crap about me building up to?

Life is short, too short. Don't do it if you don't like it unless you have to do it. Seek every opportunity to enjoy yourself. Follow your bliss. There is no one right way for everyone.

You might try just taking a vacation from music. Give it a rest for a few months and see if you miss it. Whether you think you missed it or not, pick it up again and see if it's fun. It's worth a second chance.

Insights and incites by Notes
Posted By: KenElevenShadows Re: I feel like quitting - 11/28/19 04:32 AM
Originally Posted by paulkondig
And at the same time. I have a fascination with synthesizers .


Follow your fascinations, interests, and whatever, no matter how normal or strange or whatever. Do what really interests you. Seriously. Life's too short to do anything other than that.

You have no idea how LUCKY and PRIVILEGED we are to actually have time to ponder these things and have free time to do it. Most people in the world cannot. Don't squander that. Seize the opportunity. You want to play with synthesizers, do flower arranging, collect pocket lint, travel to all the countries that start with "I", take up knitting, or take up night photography, do it.

But do it because you want to, not because you think it will make money.
Posted By: KenElevenShadows Re: I feel like quitting - 11/28/19 04:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anderton
Originally Posted by KenElevenShadows

I also don't make money from eating tacos al vapor, backpacking throughout West Africa or South America, hanging out with friends over drinks, swimming at the beach, going on a long hike in the wilderness, or reading a book. Why do we always have to think about monetizing things? Why do we give a crap about this at all?


This is exactly what I say at my workshops! Although I use bowling as an example. Sure, there are pro bowlers - but it's a really select group, and the odds of making money from it are minuscule. Most people do bowling because it's fun. Same with fishing.


That's it!

And you're right, the odds of making money from pro bowling is rather slim.

I actually make money from creating bizarre music and night photography, a rather nice form of photography if there ever was one. But that's sure as hell not why I do it. I began making money at it because I became good at it and very small but devoted audiences love this sort of thing. I don't make very much money, but again, who cares? I do it because I love it.

If I wanted to monetize it, it would take some of the fun out of it because I'd probably want to make "normal" music that sells well, such as hip-hop or seriously Auto-Tuned pop, and for photography, I'd need to do wedding photography and portraits or take photos of wild horses galloping or flowers in a meadow. I don't want to do that.

I want to do stuff I love to do. That's it. That simple.


Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 11/28/19 09:57 AM
Thank you!
Posted By: Anderton Re: I feel like quitting - 11/28/19 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Notes_Norton
I've never lacked for gigs. Either I'm very lucky, very good, or I've fooled enough people into thinking I'm very good.


My theory is that you love what you're doing, and because that's contagious, it makes people happy. People like to be happy, so they come to your gigs. Simple!

Whenever bands ask for advice about what to do for a stage act, I always say "have fun and enjoy yourself." Because if you are, the audience will follow along. smile
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 11/28/19 08:59 PM
Thank You to everyone here. I’m going to go, as some people don’t want me here.
Posted By: Anderton Re: I feel like quitting - 11/29/19 03:12 AM
Originally Posted by paulkondig
Thank You to everyone here. I’m going to go, as some people don’t want me here.


22 replies and 260 views would seem to contradict that sentiment smile
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 11/29/19 12:27 PM
True!
Posted By: Anti-DarkyLord Re: I feel like quitting - 11/29/19 04:38 PM
Hey, some people don't want me here either. I won't give specific names...even though I ken.
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 11/29/19 05:17 PM
I am feeling better! Thank you everyone! I just needed someone to listen to me. I know the title probably didn’t make much sense, but it got people’s attention!
Posted By: KenElevenShadows Re: I feel like quitting - 11/29/19 05:19 PM
Originally Posted by Markyboard
Hey, some people don't want me here either. I won't give specific names...even though I ken.


That's right. Those puns are too hard for me to take!! grin
Posted By: Anderton Re: I feel like quitting - 11/29/19 05:47 PM
I feel like knitting.
Posted By: Anti-DarkyLord Re: I feel like quitting - 11/29/19 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anderton
I feel like knitting.


Knit wit hand

Remember....the worse the pun the more pain it inflicts, and therefore the funnier it is. At least that’s what I tell my daughter...who is continually in pain fume
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 11/29/19 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anderton
I feel like knitting.


I feel like qulting!
Posted By: Notes_Norton Re: I feel like quitting - 11/29/19 08:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anderton
Originally Posted by Notes_Norton
I've never lacked for gigs. Either I'm very lucky, very good, or I've fooled enough people into thinking I'm very good.


My theory is that you love what you're doing, and because that's contagious, it makes people happy. People like to be happy, so they come to your gigs. Simple!

Whenever bands ask for advice about what to do for a stage act, I always say "have fun and enjoy yourself." Because if you are, the audience will follow along. smile

When working for a big agency in South Florida when I was still young, the agent gave great advice "Nobody wants to see a sober faced musician."

Notes
Posted By: Anti-DarkyLord Re: I feel like quitting - 11/29/19 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Notes_Norton

When working for a big agency in South Florida when I was still young, the agent gave great advice "Nobody wants to see a sober faced musician."

Notes


Probably good for a thread of it's own but...not quite true imo. Even as a concert goer I don't need or want everyone on stage putting on their "face", especially if the musician has something to say through his/her instrument. The keyboardist is probably the last member that needs the fake smile, gaze into the distance, or worse. Even during their solo moment in the spotlight I rather see them concentrating on their craft and giving it their all. No need for any visual entertainment- that's what the lead singer, guitarist and back-up singers are for.

It's the thing that turned me off from gigging long ago. I get that everyone is an entertainer and certain band situations warrant it, but it's often overdone and comes across as contrived. Let there be visual focus.
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 11/29/19 08:57 PM
I am feeling better, plus I discovered a virtual pipe organ for my iPad and iPhone . Of course i need a better controller keyboard.
Posted By: Notes_Norton Re: I feel like quitting - 11/30/19 10:48 PM
Originally Posted by Markyboard
Originally Posted by Notes_Norton

When working for a big agency in South Florida when I was still young, the agent gave great advice "Nobody wants to see a sober faced musician."

Notes


Probably good for a thread of it's own but...not quite true imo. Even as a concert goer I don't need or want everyone on stage putting on their "face", especially if the musician has something to say through his/her instrument. The keyboardist is probably the last member that needs the fake smile, gaze into the distance, or worse. Even during their solo moment in the spotlight I rather see them concentrating on their craft and giving it their all. No need for any visual entertainment- that's what the lead singer, guitarist and back-up singers are for.

It's the thing that turned me off from gigging long ago. I get that everyone is an entertainer and certain band situations warrant it, but it's often overdone and comes across as contrived. Let there be visual focus.

We have to remember that we listen with musicians' ears. Most of us could care less if the player is attractive, smiling, nicely dressed, or anything other than the music.

But when playing to the general audience, presentation is as important as the music.

Phony, pasted on smiles don't make it. But remember we are PLAYing music, and PLAY is the key word. If we are PLAYing we should be having a good time, and if we're having a good time, it should show with a happy face. There will be a few in the audience who come to actually listen intently to the music, so it's best that you play well too. It's a package deal.

At least that is the way I see it. On stage since 1964 it's worked for me. And I don't have to fake the smile, because gigging is the most fun I can have with my clothes on. wink

Of course, as always YMMV - there is no one correct answer.

Notes
Posted By: Anderton Re: I feel like quitting - 12/01/19 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by Notes_Norton
Phony, pasted on smiles don't make it. But remember we are PLAYing music, and PLAY is the key word. If we are PLAYing we should be having a good time, and if we're having a good time, it should show with a happy face. There will be a few in the audience who come to actually listen intently to the music, so it's best that you play well too. It's a package deal.


Yeah, absolutely - any joy has to be genuine! I'm not into "guitar face." If you're having a good time, you're going to look happy.

Of course, addressing the larger subject of stage presence in general, it doesn't have to be all smiley. When I saw the rebooted Little River Band, they had a dual guitar approach that was really good for "musician's ears." But although they didn't do the guitar face thing, their stage presence was exemplary because of the way they worked together. They were intent, in some ways serious, but you could almost see the lines of communication going back and forth between them. Playing off each other was its own kind of stage presence, and the (non-musician) audience knew it was something cool.

Or take Nine Inch Nails. I wouldn't say they look happy onstage, but they pour their hearts into their playing...which resonates with people.

Ultimately, I think the main thing audiences DON'T want is to see a musician who's just phoning in a part!

Frankie Moreno is playing Nashville on December 28...I hardly ever buy concert tickets, and I'm not a fan of Vegas acts, but I'm making an exception for him. He's a consummate entertainer...I'm up for going to a concert for the sole purpose of feeling good, watching people who absolutely love what they do, and smiling a lot smile




Posted By: Notes_Norton Re: I feel like quitting - 12/02/19 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anderton
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Ultimately, I think the main thing audiences DON'T want is to see a musician who's just phoning in a part!

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Yep. I think that's it in a nutshell.

Notes
Posted By: Dr Mike Metlay Re: I feel like quitting - 12/02/19 08:41 PM
Originally Posted by paulkondig
I am feeling better, plus I discovered a virtual pipe organ for my iPad and iPhone . Of course i need a better controller keyboard.

Glad to hear that you're feeling better, Paul. A good supportive community is very healthy for people facing (hopefully temporary) blocks like you were.

Also: which virtual pipe organ? And if you need a better controller keyboard, give me a budget and desired feature set and I'll be glad to give you recommendations you didn't ask for. grin
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 12/02/19 09:38 PM
JeuxdorgMini and Strand Organ. These are just free samples in the Apple App Store. So they are not the full versions, but they work well on my IPad Pro.

As for a controller keyboard, I was looking at the Nektar Impact GX61.
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 12/03/19 02:04 PM
Also, I was not exploring other options? Which is what i should have done. Like the world of VST’s. People have told me, there is a lot to be gained with software.

Not only have I been fascinated with the pipe organ, but also the Melotron and the Ondilieon and Claviolione. However, there is no stand alone version of either, well the ondilileon is part of Kontakt since it is a plug in. I can however find a stand alone Melotron VST. The Hardware versions are too expensive.
Posted By: Notes_Norton Re: I feel like quitting - 12/03/19 03:24 PM
Happy to see some restored enthusiasm!!!
Posted By: Paul Kondig Re: I feel like quitting - 12/03/19 04:54 PM
grin
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