sign Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 We will have another black day in history this week, since it seems war is inevitable . UN is a joke? It's all the fault of the French? I just watched the news on TV. George is laughing with Tony, they look like two boyscoutleaders. It makes me very sad. The alchemy of the masters moving molecules of air, we capture by moving particles of iron, so that the poetry of the ancients will echo into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosh Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by sign: [b]We will have another black day in history this week, since it seems war is inevitable . UN is a joke? It's all the fault of the French? I just watched the news on TV. George is laughing with Tony, they look like two boyscoutleaders. It makes me very sad.[/b][/quote]I'll back you on this,I saw the footage too. Strange way of acting,laughing and joking together and thinking you stand above everybody else in the world while you send thousands to a certain death. Sad day indeed. Fan, nu pissar jag taggtråd igen. Jag skulle inte satt på räpan. http://www.bushcollectors.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosh Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Just realized ,we're gonna get all the shit now I think,cause we're dutch and made a bad remark. Fan, nu pissar jag taggtråd igen. Jag skulle inte satt på räpan. http://www.bushcollectors.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark LaCoste Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 You'll get no shit from me for your honesty. I'm glad I don't get TV. -mark Rubber Lizard Studio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosh Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Rubber Lizard Studios: [b]You'll get no shit from me for your honesty. I'm glad I don't get TV. -mark[/b][/quote]Thankzz,... I usually don't back people in political things. It just struck me that when I was at my parents house I saw Bush and Blair laughing and joking which I find not apropriate in situations like this. I don't watch tv in my own home and now I know why again. Fan, nu pissar jag taggtråd igen. Jag skulle inte satt på räpan. http://www.bushcollectors.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philter Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 There are plenty of Americans who feel the same way that you do. ---------------------------- Phil Mann http://www.wideblacksky.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljp Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 yup, the americans were bamboozled in the presidential "election". G, Jr and cronies have wanted this for over a decade. You can see his big boner when he starts going on about war. King G is nothing but an opil hungry war monger. Plain Evil. sad, very sad. war "In the name of peace". People being arrested for wearing anti war t-shirts. sad, sad, sad.... Come you masters of war You that build the big guns You that build the death planes You that build all the bombs You that hide behind walls You that hide behind desks I just want you to know I can see through your masks You that never have done nothin' but build to destroy You play with my world like it's your little toy You put a gun in my hand then you hide from my eyes Then you turn and run farther when the fast bullets fly Like Judas of old you lie and deceive A world war can't be won, and you want me to believe But I see through your eyes and I see through your brain Like I see through the water that runs down my drain You that fasten all the triggers for the others to fire Then you sit back and watch while the death count gets higher You hide in your mansions while the young people's blood Flows out of their bodies and gets buried in the mud You've thrown the worst fear that can ever be hurled Fear to bring children into the world For threatening my baby, unborn and unnamed You ain't worth the blood that runs in your veins How much do I know to talk out of turn You might say that I'm young, you might say I'm unlearned But there's one thing I know, though I'm younger than you Even Jesus would never forgive what you do Let me ask you one question: is your money that good? Will it buy you forgiveness? Do you think that it could? I think you will find when your death takes its toll All the money you made won't ever buy back your soul And I hope that you die and your death will come soon I'll follow your casket through the pale afternoon And I'll watch while you're lowered into your death bed Then I'll stand over your grave till I'm sure that you're dead. -Bob Dylan, Masters of War llornkcor rocknroll http://llornkcor.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sign Posted March 17, 2003 Author Share Posted March 17, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by boosh: [b]Just realized ,we're gonna get all the shit now I think,cause we're dutch and made a bad remark.[/b][/quote]Bad remark? We have a lot of American friends on these forums. What really makes me pissed is to see the laughing face of George junior. I expected to see a worldleader with a worried face, telling us how sorry he is to have no other choice. It occurs to me that the majority of the American people is pro war, but is also seems to me that the vast majority of the intellectual part of them are against. Even on this forum it seems that the well educated and experienced people are having doubts about this war. Sorry, but that's my opinion. We're not going to have a party. The alchemy of the masters moving molecules of air, we capture by moving particles of iron, so that the poetry of the ancients will echo into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosh Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by sign: [b] [quote]Originally posted by boosh: [b]Just realized ,we're gonna get all the shit now I think,cause we're dutch and made a bad remark.[/b][/quote]Bad remark? We have a lot of American friends on these forums. What really makes me pissed is to see the laughing face of George junior. I expected to see a worldleader with a worried face, telling us how sorry he is to have no other choice. I noticed U.S. citizens cursing at eachother here cause they had different views on this subject. I know the majority on here are nice guys and they help me a lot with my stupid sound engineering questions.However,I also know that the nicest guy in the world turns in to satan when you critisize him. That's why I thought we were gonna get shitty remarks. I was wrong. Thank God there are some people who listen and reply in a gentlemans way. It occurs to me that the majority of the American people is pro war, but is also seems to me that the vast majority of the intellectual part of them are against. Even on this forum it seems that the well educated and experienced people are having doubts about this war. Sorry, but that's my opinion. We're not going to have a party.[/b][/quote] Fan, nu pissar jag taggtråd igen. Jag skulle inte satt på räpan. http://www.bushcollectors.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljp Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 the real problem is, if you speak out against a war, you are label 'anti-american', and perhaps might even be in the cross hairs of the terror polizia. That and the anti-war coverage both world wide and domestic in the american news is laughable. You dont see all the demonstrations happening world wide against a war, barely see any coverage here at home, unless the police go berzerk and tear gas people. Land of the free, my ass. its become land of the fat couch potatoes, taking king georges 'truth' as gospel. You dont see the coverage about the made up reports, and about the fabricated 'evidence'. King George should listen to his own minister, who is on a tv advert against the war. llornkcor rocknroll http://llornkcor.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosh Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 My opinion and stand: I am against war. I am not against the U.S. I'm done,have to make music not war. Fan, nu pissar jag taggtråd igen. Jag skulle inte satt på räpan. http://www.bushcollectors.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick K. Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 I'm an American. I am not Pro-War either. I think war sucks. I think sometimes war is necessary if it's the lesser of two evils. We should take a moment to remember the 20,000 victims of Saddam's CHEMICAL attack 15 years ago today. If we don't do anything to stop him, he may do it again. Oh, I forgot, he doesn't have any of these weapons. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtoledo3 Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Rick, He doesn't consider the Kurds his people, even though people keep saying that. It's kind of like us and the native americans, or Isreal and Palestine. Want mix/tracking feedback? Checkout "The Fade"- www.grand-designs.cc/mmforum/index.php The soon-to-be home of the "12 Bar-Blues Project" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philter Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 It's so frustrating that many people can only think in yes/no black/white thinking... doesn't your brain go any deeper than that? I could write a Javascript program that could replace your political philosophy. ---------------------------- Phil Mann http://www.wideblacksky.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP3 Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Rick Kreuzer: [b] Oh, I forgot, he doesn't have any of these weapons. Rick[/b][/quote]Israel will see if he does have these weapons, soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sign Posted March 17, 2003 Author Share Posted March 17, 2003 Rick, I want the end of Saddam's regime as soon as possible, no doubt about it. But I feel this is the wrong way to end it. Although I'm on the other side of our planet, it gives me shivers to see all these young Americans on TV, knowing that many of them will die. And George's laughter will stop when the first bodybags arrive. George is having a political debacle today. It makes me very very sad. The alchemy of the masters moving molecules of air, we capture by moving particles of iron, so that the poetry of the ancients will echo into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick K. Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 I'm referring to 20,000 human beings attacked with nerve gas by Saddam. Philter, please clarify your Java script statement. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salyphus Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Rick, I can believe that you care about the Kurds that Saddam gassed, I really can. But let's be honest here. You and I both know that Bush could not give less of a fuck about the Kurds. The fact that he is laughing today shows what a truly shallow shell of a human being he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlahib.no Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 did you remember this day last month? http://www.deoxy.org/wc/wc-death.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philter Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Rick Kreuzer: [b]I'm an American. I am not Pro-War either. I think war sucks. I think sometimes war is necessary if it's the lesser of two evils. We should take a moment to remember the 20,000 victims of Saddam's CHEMICAL attack 15 years ago today. If we don't do anything to stop him, he may do it again. Oh, I forgot, he doesn't have any of these weapons. Rick[/b][/quote]The way you frame your argument, we have 2 stark choices: 1. Attack now. 2. Do nothing. That's a grossly distorted oversimplification of reality. And it's being beat into our heads by this manipulative administration, which treats the US public like imbeciles. The sad part is that a majority of the US public is responding positively to these insultingly base tactics. ---------------------------- Phil Mann http://www.wideblacksky.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick K. Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 Sorry if you feel as if I'm oversimplifying this. I don't intend to. I just think that there are so many people here that hate our President so much that they cannot see what a villain Saddam truly is. I believe that those UN resolutions meant something, don't you? Do you not feel as if there's a time to say enough's enough? I hate, I MEAN I HATE, the fact that this is where we are right now. It's not as simple as saying 'war or no war'. However, if something's NOT done, do you really think for a second that he's really gonna comply on his own? NO!! He hasn't so far. We've given him opportunities to come clean. He hasn't so far. Where do you draw the line? Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtoledo3 Posted March 17, 2003 Share Posted March 17, 2003 I think it's going out on a limb to assume that b/c someone is anti-war, or even anti-administration, that they hate Bush. I think what's going on is pretty hairy, but on a non-political level, Bush could be allright. He seems to be a party guy. I have friends that have done things I really disagree with. Albeit, not quite on this level. Want mix/tracking feedback? Checkout "The Fade"- www.grand-designs.cc/mmforum/index.php The soon-to-be home of the "12 Bar-Blues Project" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljp Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 And just who sold Saddam all those chemicals that he used on the Kurds? and who provided the intelligence and coordinates so he could gas those 20,000 people. and who stood by and let him do this? hmmm, why, the great democracy, the USA! thats who! We know he has chemicals, cause we still have the receipt! bush is acting like a tunnel-visioned po-dunk cowboy as the world around him is all against his actions and his rhetoric. what a sad frickin' day. I think I'll go vomit... llornkcor rocknroll http://llornkcor.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisDude Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 [img]http://216.136.200.194/auction/Mar/20033175508330003393721.jpg[/img] This is the really sad part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick K. Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 Yep, dude, that does suck. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrn Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 ..."Do you not feel as if there's a time to say enough's enough?" It's about time to take care about the real problem here.... Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 8 Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 REGARDING BUSH'S LAUGHTER: C'mon people, you see a short snip on TV and you make a ton of assumption. Is that REALLY smart? I've been to funerals and I see close family members of the deceased, talking and laughing. If THAT was all I saw, I suppose I could say; "boy, look at those people! They must not even care that someone has died!". That would be a pretty rash assumption on my part, wouldn't it? Many of my friends -including myself- often use humor as a way of diffusing tension, or sadness. I don't know what they were laughing about. But I would bet money on one thing: If you think the President doesn't feel the weight of this situation to an extreme degree, you are just being naive and possibly sadistic about this. There hasn't been a President I've seen yet who hasn't aged CONSIDERABLY during their term(s) in office. THAT'S CALLED STRESS, PEOPLE!!! I've tried (unsuccessfully) to get this point across several times, and I'll keep on trying: If you want to protest the war -you have my vote! I think every war should have protesters -I think it's essential! BUT... Protest it WITHOUT DEMONIZING people! The President is as much a human as any of us. Some of you understand this. Others? Well, lets just say I'd hate to have seen you in Salem during the witch trials... :( Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salyphus Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 Super8, I don't demonize him. In fact, I think most people give him WAY too much credit, he's really just a figurehead. I would just like to see him back where he belongs, say a bag boy at the local supermarket... It is just 'venting' to take a potshot at him here and there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Philter: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Rick Kreuzer: [b]I'm an American. I am not Pro-War either. I think war sucks. I think sometimes war is necessary if it's the lesser of two evils. We should take a moment to remember the 20,000 victims of Saddam's CHEMICAL attack 15 years ago today. If we don't do anything to stop him, he may do it again. Oh, I forgot, he doesn't have any of these weapons. Rick[/b][/quote]The way you frame your argument, we have 2 stark choices: 1. Attack now. 2. Do nothing. That's a grossly distorted oversimplification of reality. And it's being beat into our heads by this manipulative administration, which treats the US public like imbeciles. The sad part is that a majority of the US public is responding positively to these insultingly base tactics.[/b][/quote]Yes. It's not a binary answer here, but it's not just the administration, but also the media that does this. The media has a strong tendency to pit things against each other without getting into any sort of nuanced exploration. I would also like to point out that the example that you are giving about Hussein using chemicals is from *15* years ago. An obvious question to ask would be: why is it suddenly so imperative to attack NOW? If it's the liberation of the Kurds and the Iraqi people and the fact that Hussein has had chemical weapons and all sorts of other bad stuff for umpteen years that has our government's panties in a bunch, what makes NOW the time for action? Why wasn't it, say, 15 years ago? Or 10 years ago? Or a year and a half ago? What makes NOW so crucial? Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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