veinmelter Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Does anyone know what keyboard stand this is? On Derek Sherinian\'s website it says he uses Ultimate Support stands but the most similar looking thing I see on their site is this . http://www.dereksherinian.com/images/gallery/px/pxbulgaria2.jpg http://www.dereksherinian.com/images/gallery/billyidol/derekbillyTO06.jpg Anyhow, it looks like such an awesome stand. I just tried resting my keyboard on my knees and playing it at that natural angle and it's so comfortable I wonder why this isn't the standard way to play live, standing up! Not to mention that fact that the audience can actually see what you're doing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 You can do this with the Ultimate Support A-frame. Just use it backwards. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veinmelter Posted May 9, 2005 Author Share Posted May 9, 2005 You can do this with the Ultimate Support A-frame. Just use it backwards.But how? It doesn't look like the same stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnegrad Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 I thought that Sherinian's stands were custom made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Veinmelter... welcome to the forum. This has already been discussed, as a search of the forum would have shown. Click Here ... ... or here . Cheers, SG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 How 'bout taking up the accordion. The keyboard is already facing the audience and you can still move and jump about on stage. ... or on the other hand, you could tilt backwards and for some of those in the audience it might appear that the keyboard moved and not you. Sorry, couldn't resist. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Originally posted by veinmelter: You can do this with the Ultimate Support A-frame. Just use it backwards.But how? It doesn't look like the same stand. It's not the same stand (anymore) but you can do this with the A frame. By setting up the tiers backwards you can lean your boards backwards instead of forwards. Now just turn your stand around so that you are in back of it instead of in front. Viola! Down slanted boards. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Nothing that a slightly creative individual with a hacksaw and a couple additional clamps couldn't do in the comfort of their own home.... Originally posted by cnegrad: I thought that Sherinian's stands were custom made. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogman1 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 I recently saw a keyboard stand advertised, which specifically said you could tilt the keyboards forward. I will look it up and post it here. BTW, this is not a new thing...a lot of old "combo" organs like Farfisas and Vox's were set up this way , IIRC. Tom Nord Electro 5D, Modal Cobalt 8, Yamaha upright piano, numerous plug-ins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyS Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Originally posted by veinmelter: Anyhow, it looks like such an awesome stand. I just tried resting my keyboard on my knees and playing it at that natural angle and it's so comfortable I wonder why this isn't the standard way to play live, standing up! Not to mention that fact that the audience can actually see what you're doing... can someone give an answer to this?? to have a natural angle I have to set my stand really high.You won't have to do this if you tilt it. But there have to be something why not al players play like this. Rudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botch. Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 I've been tempted to pull out my old Ultimate and try playing a gig this way, but I see one big disadvantage: seeing the knobs, buttons and displays on the keyboards would be highly difficult. If you're playing a show where everything's pre-determined (song order, patch changes, etc) and you're stepping through patches with a footswitch, well then no problem. But if you're playing a club where songs are swapped out, gotta play a request or "Happy Birthday", this would be quite a bit more difficult. Botch "Eccentric language often is symptomatic of peculiar thinking" - George Will www.puddlestone.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Doe Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Wouldn't it spill your drink? I just don't get it ... No signature required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botch. Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Originally posted by Jon Doe: Wouldn't it spill your drink? I just don't get it ... Get with the program, Jon, professionals use a Camelback! Botch "Eccentric language often is symptomatic of peculiar thinking" - George Will www.puddlestone.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veinmelter Posted May 9, 2005 Author Share Posted May 9, 2005 Originally posted by Ohtar: Originally posted by veinmelter: Anyhow, it looks like such an awesome stand. I just tried resting my keyboard on my knees and playing it at that natural angle and it's so comfortable I wonder why this isn't the standard way to play live, standing up! Not to mention that fact that the audience can actually see what you're doing... can someone give an answer to this?? to have a natural angle I have to set my stand really high.You won't have to do this if you tilt it. But there have to be something why not al players play like this. My point exactly. It seems that either you have your keyboard quite high, which IMO looks and feels a bit silly with most stands, or you get little control and an uncomfortable feeling of not really being 'at' the keyboard. I've been tempted to pull out my old Ultimate and try playing a gig this way, but I see one big disadvantage: seeing the knobs, buttons and displays on the keyboards would be highly difficult.This is true. I guess you would just have to employ some combination of knowing all the button presses, compromising on the angle of the tilt and leaning forward to look at the display. A lot of people have also said that visually letting the audience see your fingers on the keys is showing off, and sure, this is a great way to go about it. However, aside from this, I also think the audience probably like to see what your fingers getting up to. It all adds to the live experience. Would you enjoy as much a guitarist play a nice expressive lead with, say, his back to you? And finally, how cool does Derek look with that Triton at the top of this post... By the way Sven, thanks for the welcome, and sorry I didn't think to search beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Originally posted by Jon Doe: Wouldn't it spill your drink? I just don't get it ... Excellent! No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Originally posted by Jon Doe: Wouldn't it spill your drink? I just don't get it ... You put drinks on your board(s)??? Sad... very sad. Slainte mhath, SG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogman1 Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Apparantly, the stand(s) I was looking at did offer tilting - except it was *backwards*! So back to square one - does anybody have any ideas how to do this? Tom Nord Electro 5D, Modal Cobalt 8, Yamaha upright piano, numerous plug-ins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Originally posted by veinmelter: And finally, how cool does Derek look with that Triton at the top of this post... Well, if he's trying to entertain John and Joan Q. Public, I'd say he's not doing a very good job of it. Three guys, all staring at their instruments. Zzzzzzzz.... Now, given that these are guys that only attract musos and prog-heads, then that doesn't matter, does it? All that crowd wants to see/hear is guys shredding (at least based on the recent output from Mr. Sherinian). So, in that context.... well, no, that picture still makes him look a little goofy. Now, his Billy Idol setup is way cooler, in my opinion (that's the second pic, with his Nords and his red-tape-wrapped Triton ). So, again, welcome. Cheers, SG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Pierce Posted May 9, 2005 Share Posted May 9, 2005 Originally posted by coyote: Nothing that a slightly creative individual with a hacksaw and a couple additional clamps couldn't do in the comfort of their own home.... Originally posted by cnegrad: I thought that Sherinian's stands were custom made. Coyote, I thought we weren't going to talk about what you can do with a hacksaw and some clamps any more... --Dave Make my funk the P-funk. I wants to get funked up. My Funk/Jam originals project: http://www.thefunkery.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithoJazzoSphere Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Now, given that these are guys that only attract musos and prog-heads, then that doesn't matter, does it? All that crowd wants to see/hear is guys shredding (at least based on the recent output from Mr. Sherinian).Bah, how much Planet X or Derek Sherinian solo material have you heard? It's very technical, yes, but labeling it as Malmsteen-clone wanking is not accurate at all, it's high musical, though certainly pretentious. A picture may paint a thousand words, but a melody can paint a thousand pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veinmelter Posted May 10, 2005 Author Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by LithoJazzoSphere: Now, given that these are guys that only attract musos and prog-heads, then that doesn't matter, does it? All that crowd wants to see/hear is guys shredding (at least based on the recent output from Mr. Sherinian).Bah, how much Planet X or Derek Sherinian solo material have you heard? It's very technical, yes, but labeling it as Malmsteen-clone wanking is not accurate at all, it's high musical, though certainly pretentious. Agreed. Though I'm not a fan of Derek's solo stuff, Planet X is not just general prog metal wanking, it's something special. I'm actually surprised that loads of people on this post seem to know who Derek Sherinian is... do I smell a lot of prog fans on this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 I'm actually surprised that loads of people on this post seem to know who Derek Sherinian is... do I smell a lot of prog fans on this forum? You're kidding right? You know this is a keyboard forum, right? Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMcM Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Hi veinmelter, Check out THIS for all the parts needed to make your own Sherinian stand. If you look at the back cover of the Ultimate Support catalog HERE you will see a picture of Derek Sherinian with his Nord's and custom red USS stand. Regards, Dave Wm. David McMahan I Play, Therefore I Am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by LithoJazzoSphere: Bah, how much Planet X or Derek Sherinian solo material have you heard? It's very technical, yes, but labeling it as Malmsteen-clone wanking is not accurate at all, it's high musical, though certainly pretentious. Do me a favour, and please point out where I compared it to Malmsteen... or called it 'wanking'. Go ahead, I'll wait. If you choose to describe tracks such as "Day of the Dead" or "God of War" (off his latest disc, "Mythology") as "high (sic) musical," that's your prerogative. I find it highly derivative personally, and not much more than an excuse for him to play pseudo-guitar synth tones over top of (or alongside) guitar "shredders" (not wankers, thank you) like Zakk Wylde, Steve Lukather, John Sykes, and Allan Holdsworth. All eminent musicians, but (aside from Luke) not well-known for their memorable hooks. (geez, I can just hear the masses squealing upon reading that... ) Please note that I am not suggesting that Mr. Sherinian is a bad player; the guy can play circles around most anyone on this forum, myself included. This is merely a critique of his music, based upon my personal opinion. Oh, and because I'm sure some people will want to know... I do listen to prog, metal, and other 'aggressive' forms of music; I own all of the Dream Theater catalogue (and prefer the pre- and post-Sherinian DT, truth be known)... as well as his Black Utopia disc. I feel qualified to state my opinion in this matter, although you're free to state otherwise. Cheers, SG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunkman Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 ...Nothing that a slightly creative individual with a hacksaw and a couple additional clamps couldn't do in the comfort of their own home.... ...Which is pretty much what I've done: A black PVC pipe cut to fit across an Ultimate X-stand at my preferred angle, although not nearly at as steep an angle as Sherinian's. The front of the 'board rests on the pipe, the back rests on the x-stand. The rubber footings on the bottom of the keyboard keep it from sliding away from me. And, at the more shallow angle, I can read the displays on top of the keyboard. Just for fun, I've drilled a hole at one end of the PVC, where I can mount a strobe light to occasionally zap the drummer. (He loves that! ) Sorry, I haven't thought to photograph this masterpiece of guerilla engineering. "If more of us valued food, cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world." - J. R. R. Tolkien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyMary Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 There's the QuikLok X8 (or T8, dont remember precisely). it's a single frame single tier X stand with adjustable angle of the top. Check out Jens Johanson of SAtratovarius and Janne Warman from Children of Bodom (both metal-heads) and their stands. Also check out my solution for the problem (pics soon) - a regular single frame X-stand, with 2nd tier added and that second tier's tubes (those with adjustable andle) are turned upside down the stand is also slightly modified fit my KB more. The whole construction folds quickly and weights less than 5 kg. BUT - it's for single keyboard only. Jens and Janne put their DX7 on such stand, I put my Yammie S-03 61 keys synth. http://desertband.com/images/desert_in_thorheim_05.jpg - the only pic of me and my stand by now. not realy clear, but more explanatory coming soon Stage: MOX6, V-machine, and Roland AX7 Rolls PM351 for IEMs. Home/recording: Roland FP4, a few guitars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veinmelter Posted May 10, 2005 Author Share Posted May 10, 2005 Check out Jens Johanson of SAtratovarius and Janne Warman from Children of Bodom (both metal-heads) and their stands.Hmm... I have to say Janne's stand set-up looks rather odd in my opinion: http://mr-20260.mr.valuehost.co.uk/gallery/tuska03/tuska03_04.jpg Anyhow, bloodyMary, greetings fellow metal player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 You can do the same thing with the USS A frame as you see in that photo with the X stand (IQ?). However, with the A frame it will look more natural AND you can put multiple boards on it. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravi Ivan Sharma Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 I have used one of those rolling five wheel quicklock stands made for small mixers or BRC to hold a uQk and tilt it forward. It also allows rolling around and moving on stage: http://noision.com/pub/tilt.jpg Especially to keep from getting burned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veinmelter Posted May 11, 2005 Author Share Posted May 11, 2005 Originally posted by Krakit: You can do the same thing with the USS A frame as you see in that photo with the X stand (IQ?). However, with the A frame it will look more natural AND you can put multiple boards on it. Carl I had a look at the A frame but I didn't really like the way it looks. It's so tall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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