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#780355 - 06/17/05 12:24 PM Who uses a china here???
deathdrummer Offline
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Well I don't have one because I've played one, and I don't have any kind of use for one, does anybody know what (besides that it's for effects) a china would be useful for???

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#780356 - 06/17/05 12:49 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
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That seems strange considering your user name. \:D

I like a china in the context of blast/death type metal. I prefer the sound of a smaller one (like a 12"), which sounds about like a metal trash can lid.
Great way to enter a blastbeat. I think they just cut, which is what you need when you are trying to add accents to 2000 watts of screaming guitars and some guy belching like he's trying to take a shit...all of this taking place at about 220bbm. \:D

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#780357 - 06/17/05 12:52 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
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The last kit I had set up was not conventional in the cymbal sense.

14" HH's, 18"crash/ride (taped and muffled for maximum ping), 3 splashes, and a china. For some reason I tend to prefer cymbals with a sharp attack and short sustain.

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#780358 - 06/17/05 01:39 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
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Well I use rock cymbals and I am looking to buy a couple splashes, my current (incomplete) setup is, 14" Sabian B8 HH's, 16" Sabian B8 Rock Crash, 14" Sabian B8Pro Thin Crash, 20" Sabian B8 Ride, and an 18" Sabian B8 Crash/Ride... \:D Notice I use Sabian and am familiar with the B8 series, (I do like AAx though...

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#780359 - 06/19/05 10:41 AM Re: Who uses a china here???
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I have a wonderful, wonderful old china sizzle that I got off ebay for like $20. Man it's cool.

It's maybe 10-12"- little thing. A short, trashy crash with some bite.
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#780360 - 06/19/05 11:36 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
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China cymbals were big in fusion/jazz 25 years ago. Billy Cobham used one. I bought mine over 25 years ago. It is 20" and cost me over $300 back then. It is VERY LOUD.

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#780361 - 06/20/05 03:10 AM Re: Who uses a china here???
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i use an 18 sabian aax china and is great when played with just a snare as has a very fast attack
also have 18 inch AAX Metal crash 19 inch AAX Metal crash 14 inch AAx metal hats 8 inch AAX splash and a 20 inch Zildjian Z series rock ride,
sabian don't make a ride with a large enough bell so i prefer this more expensive option and have had the ride for 11 years!!

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#780362 - 06/20/05 06:49 AM Re: Who uses a china here???
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I have two: a Zildjian 16" that I paid about 100 bucks for at least 15 years ago after I saw Charlie Watts using one and a cheapo 10" Wuhan that I got from Guitar Center for 10-15 bucks a couple of years ago. They're not appropriate on every song, but I love 'em and so did my old bassist.

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#780363 - 06/20/05 03:09 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
deathdrummer Offline
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I might get one now...
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#780364 - 06/20/05 09:40 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
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I've got a 12" Wuhan China that I bought for $20. It gets used a lot, almost as much as my 16" Paiste Crash. You can get a lot of good sounds out of a good china cymbal. I'd recommend trying out a lot of them, they all sound a bit different.
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#780365 - 06/21/05 01:02 AM Re: Who uses a china here???
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i have a 22" zil.. dont make them anymore.. the thing beastly magicial. kinda like my 24" zil ride. i use a 18" zil remix ride now but i love the differnt colors.
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#780366 - 06/21/05 10:46 AM Re: Who uses a china here???
deathdrummer Offline
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Blue Strat, i will take your advice thank you...

EricRIM, do you mean they stop making chinas because i havent seen any by Zil for a long long time...
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#780367 - 06/21/05 12:06 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
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If you get one and you are a hard hitter, make sure you play it with the flair down. They are real easy to crack.

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#780368 - 06/21/05 05:08 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
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Originally posted by deathdrummer:
Blue Strat, i will take your advice thank you...

EricRIM, do you mean they stop making chinas because i havent seen any by Zil for a long long time...
Zil never stoppped making them .. them sell a bunch
http://www.zildjian.com/en-US/products/default.ad2?catalogID=1013&typeID=13

just my beast of a china is no longer around... i like small ones aswell fun fast attack stabs..
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#780369 - 06/22/05 06:52 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
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oh ok, and thanks to the stranger
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#780370 - 06/22/05 07:50 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
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Originally posted by the stranger:
If you get one and you are a hard hitter, make sure you play it with the flair down. They are real easy to crack.
Is it a drumming practice to play with the flair up also?? Obviously it will break more easily this way and destroy your sticks but does anyone do it??? Having said that, spose you can hit anything anyway you want: tis a free world after all!!! \:D
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#780371 - 06/23/05 06:14 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
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Originally posted by richiejazz:
Quote:
Originally posted by the stranger:
If you get one and you are a hard hitter, make sure you play it with the flair down. They are real easy to crack.
Is it a drumming practice to play with the flair up also?? Obviously it will break more easily this way and destroy your sticks but does anyone do it??? Having said that, spose you can hit anything anyway you want: tis a free world after all!!! \:D
Mine is mounted with the edges down so I can hit the edge for a washed gong sound or hit the transition point for a loud bang. \:\)
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#780372 - 07/10/05 10:57 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
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I actuall have an 18" china, 16" wuhan, and a 10" wuhan. The 18" wuhan was too sloppy for me. I like a quick attack. On the 18" china cymbal, I like using it with the edges down. I always use all parts of the cymbal in Jazz. You can get many effects from one cymbal.

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#780373 - 07/21/05 12:03 PM Re: Who uses a china here???
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I own a 20", 18" 16" & 14" Wuhan. I like Wuhan because they sound like a China should (trashy)and they are extremely cost effective.

I mostly use the 20" or the 14". Obviously they are used mostly for a specific accent, however I find playing a ride pattern on a China cymbal can really driver a song.

I play mostly bebop or fusion, but I also get a fair amount of calls for "classic rock gigs" (I guess cause I'm old). I find places to use a China on many songs - but like anything, one must use "good taste".

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#780374 - 07/22/05 12:07 AM Re: Who uses a china here???
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I just recently added my 12" Wuhan back into my kit at the request of my bass player. I'm diggin' it.

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