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#756055 - 10/11/06 11:12 AM Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
zeronyne Offline
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That's right, IT HAS A ZERO FRET!

Master Luthier Dennis Galuszka of the Fender Custom Shop made 50 of these.

Has anyone played a Jazz-type instrument with a zero fret? The only zero fret bass I've ever played was from Michael Tobias (MTD) and it made an appreciable difference.
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#756056 - 10/11/06 11:17 AM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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It's hard to spot a zero fret on that pic. I must admit, it wasn't the first thing to jump out at me.
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#756057 - 10/11/06 11:17 AM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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Do the extra pickups make it twice as jazzy?
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#756058 - 10/11/06 11:18 AM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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I see space for 2 P pickups... ummm....
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#756059 - 10/11/06 11:19 AM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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In Motown, the "zero Fret" is normally called the nut. ;\)
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#756060 - 10/11/06 11:24 AM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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Quote:
Originally posted by zeronyne:
Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
Do they still make that color? :rolleyes:
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#756061 - 10/11/06 11:33 AM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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Originally posted by butcherNburn:
I see space for 2 P pickups... ummm....
Funniest thing I've read today.
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#756062 - 10/11/06 11:43 AM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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OK, you'll have to forgive my ignorance but what the crap is a Zero Fret and where am I supposed to be seeing it?
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#756063 - 10/11/06 12:01 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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Tenstrum, look one space down from the nut...
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#756064 - 10/11/06 12:21 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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thier are lots of nuts out here so be more precise
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#756065 - 10/11/06 12:25 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
Dave Brown Offline
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Nut: the place near the headstock that hold the strings in place. Probably made of bone in this instance.

The you know where is the first fret? The second? Work backwards and you'll see a fret in the zero spot.
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#756066 - 10/11/06 12:52 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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Dave,

Thanks man, I couldn't of done it without you!
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#756067 - 10/11/06 03:34 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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I assume you are talking about what looks like a metal fret that is against the nut. I'm not sure what I am seeing in this picture but it does look like a metal "0" fret. You said 50 of these were made?? Do the strings touch the fret? If they do not then I can only imagine it is totally useless. If the strings do touch it, why not just use a metal nut. I'm confused, someone help me out here.
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#756068 - 10/11/06 04:01 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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Sorry, folks, I have been on this board for so long that I forget that not everyone has seen something like this.

A zero fret is placed just before the nut so that open strings sound the same as fretted ones. You can't use a metal nut as a substitute because the contact area within a slot is different (hence also tonally different) than that of a fret to string.

On some basses (and many guitars) it makes a huge difference. I have actually had experience on a guitar that previously did not have a zero fret. the notes, especially with overdrive, sounded VERY different in terms of open string vs. fretted. After the addition of a zero fret, the difference was negligible.

Here's a much better picture of the zero fret on that bass:

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#756069 - 10/11/06 05:45 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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Oh, NOW I see it (It is hard getting old..)

(I was gonna comment about the tounges but everything I typed sounded nasty so..I'll leave that for another music-related board... ;\) )
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#756070 - 10/16/06 02:37 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Brown:

The you know where is the first fret? The second? Work backwards and you'll see a fret in the zero spot.
I don't see what it is ya'll are talking about what I see looks like a bone nut.
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#756071 - 10/16/06 02:44 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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If you look closely you can see a fret right next to the bone nut.

I've never understood the concept of a zero fret.

I think it is supposed to make the open strings sound more like the fretted strings.

It seems that it would make adjusting string height at the nut impossible.
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#756072 - 10/16/06 03:20 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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OK, I see what you are tlaking about now. It was so obvious that I completely overlooked it.

So it's supposed to help open strings sound like fretted strings?????
Why?

I'm with Jeremy, as I don't see the point in it.
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#756073 - 10/16/06 03:37 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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I would be more interested to find out if that is really his tongue. Man, that is longer than my............Nevermind.
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#756074 - 10/16/06 07:37 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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I think that is Gene's tounge photoshoped! hehehe

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#756075 - 10/16/06 07:55 PM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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That is a very long tongue...
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#756076 - 10/17/06 04:57 AM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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His?? They both look like ladies to me??
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#756077 - 10/17/06 09:20 AM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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His?? They both look like ladies to me??
Perhaps these ladies are his long lost cousins? \:D
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#756078 - 10/17/06 10:08 AM Re: Anyone notice anything weird about this Jazz?
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09,
Have you noticed an appreciable difference or all-around change to the intonation from having a perfectly level zero fret? Does it change the brightness of the open string, as it's contact point is much smaller than going thru a nut?

I've wondered about the sound of a zero-fret on an acoustic guitar, but never had the chance to try one out. This looks sweet, however.
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