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#450129 10/05/01 03:43 AM
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O.K., here's your chance to compare the rock (producer) godz of the last half century (or so).

I would nominate:

George Martin
Mutt Lange
Trevor Horn

not to leave out:
Jeff Lynne
David Foster (just for the flame opportunity)

...and ask what everyone thinks makes these guys immortal. Or add to the list!

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I think you would know my vote

Mutt Lang is very talented, yes. But more in a commercial manner. He seems to know and understand simplicity and how to market it.

George Martin, well, I think he probably is God, but needs to move over for Trevor Horn!

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Jimmy Miller, the product speaks for itself.
lowell george, the product speaks for itself.

Emotion is such a fleeting occurance, to be able to bring out the best and most sincere emotion from a performance is a talent so few have ever had, or will ever have. The product speaks for itself.

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I would have to say all of the above with a couple of minor additions.....Todd Rundgren for his work with XTC; and David Gamson for his stuff with Me'shell Ndeogecello (forgive the spelling); just personal faves, y'know!

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niles rodgers....

honorary mention.....jimmy page

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Mutt Lange is my personal pick of the litter. I don't care what anyone says, Def Leppard rules!

Let's get, let's get, let's get, let's get rocked!

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Chris Thomas - Pink Floyd, Roxy Music, Sex Pistols, INXS, Pulp, Elton John, Eno, John Cale, Pretenders etc... And he was George Martin's assistant on the White album. Unlike those brilliant auteurs Mutt Lange and Trevor Horn, he has no sound - the band just always sounds like it's the best it could possibly be.

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George Martin
Roy Thomas Baker
Brian Eno


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brian eno- the one responsible for me doing it all in the first place
bill laswell- the one who makes me want to be even better
dave friddman- uber genius, no one does it better more creatively
jimi hendrix- he IS god

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by alphajerk:

dave friddman- uber genius, no one does it better more creatively


Dave Fridmann... possibly the only guy in Western New York... involved in music, who isn't a total A-Hole... Go Dave!

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Jimmy Page.

The depth, diversity, and originality of talent in one man, plus the legacy left by those recordings, (however flawed - even the flaws are cool), puts him a cut above. He realized a personal vision of a sound that even today influences rock and roll, and he knew exactly what he was doing when he did it. "God" is a strong term to use in any case, and I realize that it was not to be taken too seriously, but "messiah" would not be an inaccurate term in Jimmy Page's case, because his accomplishments were not a "fluke," but rather the product of an excellence in will to achieve an original vision. And that's just from a "production" aspect - the style and execution from the live musician aspect was equally impressive in scope. He did it all, man. You got to respect that.

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Sorry guys
Brian Eno and George Martin are great and all. But Sam Phillips was the first real rock god producer. The rest are followers. It is one thing to out due those before you. However, the real credit must go to the one who blazed the trail FIRST. And that was Sam.

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No one's mentioned George Massenburg?!?

Okay, I'll quit the a** kissing...

I'll vote for Sir George Martin as my personal all time favorite. His all around approach. His knowledge. His "facilitator" instead of "dictator" attitude. The variation in his records in terms of arrangements and sonic techniques. His arranging skills. His willingness to be groundbreaking. He's the #1 reason I got involved in production.

Other favorites I like in the "rock" genre include Roy Thomas Baker, Mutt Lange, Brendan O'Brein, and Steve Lillywhite. Brian Wilson was the ONLY choice for his own music, but I don't know that you'd consider him a "rock" producer. But the guy did some amazing stuff.


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I concur with George Martin, Lowell George, Brian Eno, and Steve Lillywhite. How about [pantload name deleted by list administrator]? He's definitely made some great recordings and pioneered a sound. Chris Blackwell - I guess that's reggae, but he's been involved in many great recordings. Those Steely Dan records sound pretty good to me, too.

However, if I had to pick one it would be Frank Zappa. Certainly he put great players together, made music that was unique, innovative and entertaining, and made incredible sounding recordings. If Frank isn't a rock god, he was at least a mortal genius.


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Chris Tsangarides - He did Sad Wings of Destiny, need I say more?
Tom Allom - His work during the early 1980's was groundbreaking
Chris Goss - Kyuss' "Blues for the Red Sun" remains a landmark of utter hugeness... that, and a "to hell with perfection" approach that captured the band doing what they do best. Heavy rock in a raw and unsanitized form. Imagine that!


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god, there's so many...

=leonard chess (chuck berry, muddy waters, howlin wolf, bo diddly, little walter, etc.)

=jimmy page- covered above

=george martin- covered above

=andre williams (brilliant solo artist,taught berry gordie a thing or two, wrote/produced mustang sally, produced motown's rawest group-the contours)

=jimmy miller-mentioned above, but made the world's biggest garage band sound delicate and dangerous at the same time.

=phil spector! without phil, no brian wilson, and like it or not...no sonny bono...

=prince- say no more.

=tony visconti- (bowie, t-rex, many others..hippie bubblegum meets hard edge with strings thrownn!)

=rick rubin- i hear he only says 2 things in the conrol room..either "cool" or "sucks." he ain't a musician, but he's a big fan. maybe that's why he brings the heart out of his artists...tom petty, johnny cash, run dmc, beasties, etc...

=bob ezrin- gets the shrink/cleanup award. who else could deal with a junkie, egotistical lou reed, a messed up alice cooper, a dysfunctioanl pink floyd, and a fucked up ace frehley/kiss, and deliver classic albums?

=quincy jones-jeez what is there to say? sinatra to sanford and son,to no-nose jacko himself..

i'm sure i forgot a few...


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Dave Fridmann... possibly the only guy in Western New York... involved in music, who isn't a total A-Hole... Go Dave!


Hi, I'm KHAN, a guy in Western New York... involved in music..... Hmmmm..........



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Oh yeah, the topic:

Hendrix
Terry Brown
George Martin
Trevor Horn

no particular order


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I would nominate:

George Martin
Mutt Lange
Trevor Horn

not to leave out:
Jeff Lynne
David Foster (just for the flame opportunity)

...and ask what everyone thinks makes these guys immortal.



martin-no argument

mutt- can go either way. ac/dc on the plus side, but his overattention to detail/use of fairlight seemed to drive everyone nuts... just ask def leopard and especially the cars. heard his wife is a country singer or something

trevor horn- lots of fun ear candy (art of noise, yes, stanky goes to hollywood)but leaves me cold. sure knew how to get the most out of a fairlight.

jeff lynne- ahhh. yikes. danger! danger! great for his band ELO, but...and its a big but... both him and dave stewart are guilty of so many horrible things with other great artists! i.e. tom petty, and especially dave edmunds!


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Favorite rock cod......lessee

They catch pretty good ones Down in Newport Harbor area and do even better out near the Channel Islands. With another mild El Nino expected you can expect to see them as far north as Santa Cruz this winter.

I prefer albacore.

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Ahh you may knock David Foster but need I remind anybody of his brilliant earlier work with EWF (In The Stone is my favourite EWF song inwhich David Foster co-penned), Al Jerreau (Mornin' is another classic), and the classic Chicago power ballads (They're great all but the simmons drums), Boz Scaggs, Chaka Khan, Gordon Lightfoot, Manhattan Transfer, George Benson, etc etc etc.

I vote David Foster absolutely. Not only can he play (I'm not talking about the 3 chord lamers of today, he's fluent in classical, jazz, and rock), but he can compose, arrange, produce ALL WELL IMHO)

Flame away if you must

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George Martin
Tom Dowd
Jimi Hendrix/Eddie Kramer
George Massenburg
Jimmy Page

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I'm loath to exclude any of the greatz, but

I think Bill Bottrell is doing some bloody brilliant stuff. Talk about going all around the yard...

Brendan O'B is also at the top of his game. Train. Latest STP. Both monsters.

Alan Moulder rocks pretty hard.

But no "head-and-shoulders" people around these days. Is it because there aren't any "H&S" artists?

JW

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Sir George
Alan Parsons
Trevah Horn
Jame Guthrie
Brendan O'Brien
Butch Vig
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Tough one ...

1) George Martin (whom I met once, probably the most starstruck I've ever been and what a lovely man he is. Very humble, decent and .... very tall!)

2) Steve Albini

3) Phil Spector

That should cover everything.


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But no "head-and-shoulders" people around these days. Is it because there aren't any "H&S" artists?


what!? nigel godrich, beck mutations is classic. radiohead aint bad either if you are in a coma.


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Connie Plank, Sir Martin, and the guy responsible for Menudo.

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-----Sir George Martin, of course. Listen to some of the Beatle's early versions of their songs versus the finished cuts. (ie: Anthology or some of the bootlegs...) George was such a great editor. He knew every time what worked and what didn't. Definitley the "fifth Beatle", they wouldn't have achieved near as much musically without him. Also, fast-forward to his later work with Jeff Beck and other artists, and you hear the gifts being used in a very different way. Classy, creative, the best...

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I humbly bow my head and nod in total agreement with ALL previous posters!

The list goes on and on, there are so many talents. I would not even try to list all of the ones I like - I could not stand the embarrasment if I missed anyone. However, I read all above posts very fast and didn't notice (=probably missed) any mentioning of some other very influential people whose artistic & conceptual contributions very much has changed our line of work: Les Paul, Chet Atkins, Bowie, Sly Stone, ABBA + Michael B Tretow, Ry Cooder, Georg Neumann, Willi Studer, Leo Fender, Ahmet Ertegun, Bob Moog, Tom Hidley.

My honorary award goes to Grateful Dead, who where very influential in groundbreaking development of modern live sound technology.


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In no particular order;

Peter Gabriel
Bill Laswell
Tim Freise-Green
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Marc Johnson
Mitchell Froom
Brian Eno
David Sylvian

I'm sensing a trend.

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Whoah George! I'm guessing there is some history there? I'm not the only guy who mentioned him in this thread you know, better grab your eraser

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Whoah George! I'm guessing there is some history there? I'm not the only guy who mentioned him in this thread you know, better grab your eraser


Why is this mysterious/secret (pantload name deleted by administrator)-thing happening?

I love his work with Neville Brothers, Willie Nelson, Emmylou Harris and U2. And his solo albums.

GM, is there something you'd like to tell us?


Just curious,
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I totally second the nomination of Zappa.
The first most original indie producer to beat the sytem.

BTW the category is rock PRODUCERS - how does J. Page or Hendrix fit into this??? Pay attention.

Another - not based on quality but on his success in bringing color-blind music to the masses during a time of great social change. - Berry Gordy.

Also -Alan Parsons - How many years was Dark Side ofthe Moon on the charts?

However, If I had to pick just one G. Martin would have to get the nod.He changed the world.


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i have to add my voice to those nominating chris thomas... listen to the early pretenders, inxs... and pete townsend's "all the best cowboys have chinese eyes." all different music, all powerful and true to the artists, and all GREAT sounds....

and for those of you who scoff at david foster, listen to the tubes' "completion backwards principle." yes, a lot of his work is schlocky... but not all of it!

finally, i have seen no one mention john leventhal. maybe he isn't a "rock god" producer; his stuff tends towards softer material. but his work with shawn colvin and especially mark cohn is great... often very earthy, gritty sounds mixed with more modern ones, and always in service of the song. for me, that is the mark of a great producer, and that is why sir george is on so many people's lists. the arrangement matches the song and adds to its atmosphere. anyone can say "it needs strings!" but few decide it needs a plywood guitar or calfskin-head drums or classical harp....

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Great list...all of the above mentioned are in my list, as well as

Hugh Padgham..."Synchronicity" is a masterpiece in my opinion...so are his other Sting productions

Bob Ezrin...whether you like "Pink Floyd" or not, "the Wall" is an excellent production...seminal

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Well, as usual I'm in 100% agreement with d gauss... Mutt Lange gets a vote from me if only because of his work with AC/DC but later on he kinda lost me... Trevor Horn never did much for me in the first place... Jeff Lynne, ARRRGGHHH, he ruined so many records by artists that I liked, by leaving his big greasy thumbprint all over everything, that it makes me wanna puke.

I am really not into Roy Thomas Baker, Brian Eno or [pantload deleted by list admin] either, although everyone else seems to think they're gods. Too heavy handed IMO. Ditto Phil Spector. Maybe it's just me, but although I like it when an ARTIST is instantly recognizable I just really don't dig it when you can put on a record and know who produced it. To me, the producer is about making the artist sound great, not drawing attention to himself. But, many others would disagree so...

That said, here are my favorite rock gods in no particular order:

Sir George, duh
Jimmy Page
Jimmy Miller
Steve Albini

Brendan O'Brien, Chris Thomas and Rick Rubin should get honorable mention too, they are dudes with great attitudes and obvious fans of what they do. I don't always buy the records they do but I appreciate them.

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and for those of you who scoff at david foster, listen to the tubes' "completion backwards principle." yes, a lot of his work is schlocky... but not all of it!

Which is why I hesitantly put forward David's name. He's done some *great* work (lest we forget, he's one of the best piano players on earth) and he's done some real schlock (anyone remember the music video for the David Foster orchestral project featuring him, groovy stubble and all, "air-conducting" an orchestra from high atop a remote plateau?).

I mixed two tunes on Completion Backwards Principle (uh, who didn't?), and I thought at the time it was a giant piece of good production work.

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O.K., here's your chance to compare the rock (producer) godz of the last half century (or so).

I would nominate:

George Martin
Mutt Lange
Trevor Horn

not to leave out:
Jeff Lynne
David Foster (just for the flame opportunity)

...and ask what everyone thinks makes these guys immortal. Or add to the list!

George


Well since you did say ROCK god I would have to vote for Mutt since he has a much more aggressive roster than my original pick, George Martin. It's hard to pass up the guy that virtually invented the definition of the pop music producer but George's work spans more than just rock "sounding" music.
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What does a Jamaican know about rock anyways? I'm too busy getting my ice skate blades sharpened...and my bobsled waxed....

Personally, I like Metallica's "on the road again". Whomever did that is cool wid me.

I like Toto's Rosanna. Kudos again.

Maybe if I actually went back and read a few of those album credits....

On a less serious note, I'd also liek to nominate the biggest ROCK ZEUS of all times...

Barney Rubble and his sidekick F. Flintstone.

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Hi everyone,

Some great names already mentioned, but I'd also like to add that I'm a big fan of David Foster's work!

Chris

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[...David Foster's] brilliant earlier work with EWF (In The Stone is my favourite EWF song inwhich David Foster co-penned)


David had very little to do with the production on In The Stone.

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I am really not into Roy Thomas Baker, Brian Eno or [pantload deleted by list admin] either,


LOL gm you're cracking me up!!

I guess you can't let his name stay on here even if he's getting ragged on!

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LOL gm you're cracking me up!!

I guess you can't let his name stay on here even if he's getting ragged on!

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I'm dying to know who this deleted person is and what he/she did. Any hints?

My nominations to the status of god are:
Sir Curious George Martin - no explaination needed.
Chris Blackwell - Reggae to the US
Eno - for Devo and Talking Heads
Bill Laswell - sometimes this guy is brilliant, sometimes not. Why he tried to produce Motorhead...
Michael Froom - Los Lobos
Sam Phillips - my vote for the one who really started the ball rolling.
Willie Dixon - He wrote and worked behind the scenes for all the electric bluesmen.
Glen Ballard - the guy does good work.
Berry Gordy - I think this guy made some hits, not sure though...

That's it for now.

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Oh man! I almost forgot to mention Helios Creed! The undisputed god of all things distorted.

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If I'm following it correctly, you can find out who the (pantload name deleted by administrator) is here . If that's not the person that's being discussed, then the word "pantload" is being used far too much around here...


Incorrect!! I know Trevor Horn. He is no pantload.

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That, and Trevor's name is still plastered all over this thread. And why would a pantload be deleted in one thread but not in thread specifically about him?

I really dug, by the way, Brian Eno and Steve Lillywhite on that U2 album. Did they do any more work together?

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Some of my faves are (in no particular order):
1) Zappa
2) George Martin
3) Steve Lillywhite
4) Bill Laswell
5) Terry Brown
6) Quincy Jones

John Zorn gets honourable mention for "Mr. Bungle" - landmark for Attention Deficit Disorder victims!

Is there a "least favourite" category we can submit for? If so, Mannfred Eicher gets that honour for all the washed out, reverb laden, going nowhere jazz albums rampant throughout ECM's existence

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First name - Daniel?

Why?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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"David had very little to do with the production on In The Stone."

Yeah, but it all starts with a good composition.

"After the Love has Gone" is also another.

Sure David has produced some shlock (who hasn't).....we won't mention Mutt Lange/Shania Twain, or Mutt Lange/Britney Spears, is that schlock or just good ole cheese?

Maybe not a rock god, but i'd put Tommy LiPuma up there also.



1 more!, Jay Graydon.






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There must be something about [P.L.] that I don't know. What's wrong with him? He's from my side of the country anyway...

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It's the hat.

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I've always thought highly of the following (for their incredible depth rather than flash)...

George Martin
Ahmet Ertegun
Paul Samwell-Smith
Peter Asher
oh, and Glyn Johns


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my top ten producers:
1. chris thomas
2. george martin
3. jon brion
4. the one gm don't like (wrecking ball is one of my faves)
5. nick launay
6. sam philips
7. mitchell froom
8. tony cohen
9. tony visconti
10. lobby lloyde

rock gods: there is no god, but jimi, and jimmy is his prophet
(no offence to religions, other than rock)

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having had 24 hours to think (since my initial post on subject), i would like to agree with Lee about Jeff Lynne; and would like to remove his name from my list and replace it with Bob Clearmountain.......and Bill Laswell.

As far as Sir George goes; there are alot of muso's that got into music because of the Beatles......i wonder how many of us on the other side of the glass got into it because of Sir George and his groundbreaking work in the 60's?

Who produced "Trouble Man" by Marvin Gaye? I LOVE that sound!!!!

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Some things are simply intolerable.
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Hey! What's your beef with D.L.?! I think "Wrecking Ball", "Teatro", "So", "Acadie", "For the Beauty of Winona" and most of the U2 stuff sound great. Am I missing something here?


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add 'time out of mind' and 'yellow moon'

i, too, am intrigued by the animosity, to say the least
personal..?

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I think "Wrecking Ball", "Teatro", "So", "Acadie", "For the Beauty of Winona" and most of the U2 stuff sound great. Am I missing something here?

Yes.

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add 'time out of mind' and 'yellow moon'

i, too, am intrigued by the animosity, to say the least
personal..?


Completely personal. On one hand it's been a guideline here not to personally attack anyone in public; on the other hand, I get to choose who's venerated and who's revealed. My professional opinion is that Lanois is at the very least extraordinarily lucky, not to mention overrated.

A discussion of the many circumstances that, taken together, couch my personal opinion will have to wait until that dinner I hope we all have together in NY.

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What does a Jamaican know about rock anyways? I'm too busy getting my ice skate blades sharpened...and my bobsled waxed....


ROFLMAO...BTW...the current track is taking Tropical storm Iris (strengthening to hurricane strength) right for Jamaica Sunday morning. I hope if you still have family and friends down there they'll be safe.


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Sir George Martin
In no particalllyy order:
Leonard Chess
Sam Phillips
Jimmy Page
Lou Adler
Chet Atkins
Phil Spector
Motown
Felix Pappalardi
Jimi Hendrix
Tom Dowd
Steely Dan
Rudy Van Gelder
Treavor Horn
Sherly Crow
Henry Lewy
I left out lots of people.



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My professional opinion is that Lanois is at the very least extraordinarily lucky, not to mention overrated.


i tend to think the same thing about radiohead actually 90% of the people in the music business.

geez, that makes me want to come to aes more than all the gear in the world.


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i guess we can also argue what does a rock god producer make?

is it invisibility/technicality/musicianship/meticulousness/hit records?

whatever works?

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ps. i wish i could be there in new york, but newcastle is very far away, so i'm sending my best wishes instead

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BURRRRRRRRRRRNMMP
THIS IS A TEST, ONLY A TEST, OF THE EMERGENCY POST SYSTEM. THIS IS ONLY A TEST:

One day a little boy said to his mommy, "oh no, mommy, I seem to have a Daniel Lanois"!.

The mommy said to the little boy, "yes, indeed, it does appear you have quite a big Daniel Lanois"!.

"I'm sorry I made a Daniel Lanois, mommy!" the boy exclaimed.

The little boy learned later that if one eats too many beans in too much of a hurry, one might get a Daniel Lanois by accident.

THIS HAS BEEN A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY POST SYSTEM. THANK YOU, DRIVE THROUGH

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GM's "Pantload" notwithstanding, this is the quintessential 'pantload piece of walking human feces'. This motherfucker has glommed onto, and totally fucking ruined more potentially decent records than any man breathing should have been permitted to do (in any 3 lifetimes). The king of no taste, no ears, and financial sodomy played upon unsuspecting musicians that can least afford it.

This no account talentless ball of shit should have stayed in insurance sales where scumbags like him belong.

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It's OK, George, I got this one for you:

Quote:
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BURRRRRRRRRRRNMMP
THIS IS A TEST, ONLY A TEST, OF THE EMERGENCY POST SYSTEM. THIS IS ONLY A TEST:

One day a little boy said to his mommy, "oh no, mommy, I seem to have a [Pantload]"!.

The mommy said to the little boy, "yes, indeed, it does appear you have quite a big [Pantload]"!.

"I'm sorry I made a [Pantload], mommy!" the boy exclaimed.

The little boy learned later that if one eats too many beans in too much of a hurry, one might get a [Pantload] by accident.

THIS HAS BEEN A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY POST SYSTEM. THANK YOU, DRIVE THROUGH



So, what I want to know is this...
Who saved HIS ass? I apologize for admitting that he's from my part of the country. Maybe he's not?

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George,

It's quite refreshing to see that you're not in the "shit" business.

Quote:
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Completely personal. On one hand it's been a guideline here not to personally attack anyone in public; on the other hand, I get to choose who's venerated and who's revealed. My professional opinion is that Lanois is at the very least extraordinarily lucky, not to mention overrated.

A discussion of the many circumstances that, taken together, couch my personal opinion will have to wait until that dinner I hope we all have together in NY.

George



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I'm not in the shit business.....

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How is it that this thread has gotten so many posts without ANY mention of Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis?!?

These guys MADE Janet Jackson's career! They are number three in producing number one hit records, next to George Martin and Steve Sholes!

A lot of talented producers have already been given just praise in this thread, but let's not forget two of the all time greats!


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janet jackson, puhleeez. they should be drawn and quartered then. number one hits does not a good producer make [contrary to commercialistic ideology of this overly materialistic biz]


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All right. Let's put it this way then. These guys aren't just producers, they're writers and arrangers as well. They definitely bring talent to the table!

BTW, Janet Jackson is just one in a long list of artists they've produced; and IMO a number one hit means a lot more when the artist you produced was going nowhere fast before you arrived on the scene, which is why I mentioned Janet Jackson.

Off topic: alphajerk, you're getting awfully close to that magic 5,000 post mark. Are you going to throw a party?


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Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis maybe talented, but certainly not Rock. Then again I don't think the Beatles were rock either.

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Well, they've produced Rod Stewart and Elton John; but I get your point. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis are mostly known for R&B. I guess it all depends on what you call "rock." When I was a kid, rock was just about anything that wasn't classical or jazz. Even today, some record stores put R&B and hip hop in the "rock" section.

Still, I acknowledge that when talking about rock, many people think of it much more narrowly. It’s kind of like classical music. Many people define the genre in a broad way that includes composers like Bach, Wagner, and Stravinsky. Others define classical music more narrowly, as a period that began with Mozart and ended with Beethoven, thinking of Bach as being from the baroque period, Wagner as being from the romantic period, and Stravinsky as being from the modern period.

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Boy, are we edumacated or what!?!?

Just to be contradictory, The Beatles were rock and definitely influenced all of rock music that followed. Of course, we all know this and I'm just typing to see myself type (?). I think, maybe, music that was more openly influenced by drugs would be considered "rock" more so than any other style.

But Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis - from what I see
http://www.jamlewis.f2s.com/en/discography_artists.htm
they weren't exactly what I would call "influential" or even "ground breaking." But - it's all a matter of taste and opinion, so if Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis are your "Rock Gods," so be it. You're more of a man than I!

BTW, Brian Eno seems cooler to me everyday...

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Oh - has anyone mentioned Bob Rock? Didn't he make quite an impression? The king of simplicity? Mr. Bob "I said QUARTER NOTES, Dammit!" Rock? Just wondering. He certainly made an art out of commercializing rock/heavy metal. And I'm not being sarcastic. That, to me, is a rare talent. So few people understand what simple can do.

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Howabout Gus Dungeon (sp)?

Definately up there imo!

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Hey, don't underestimate Mutt Lange. If we could all do it like that and have the hits, we would. (And I ain't talkin' about his wife.....necessarily )

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well the article on jimmy jam and terry lewis in the last EQ was simply fabulous. i do really love those guys as people from that article. they have such a great outlook, unlike the other 2 guys who were interviewed that issue.


off topic [and sort of on topic] anyone heard the buddy guy album 'sweet tea'? now that is some heavy muthafuckin shit. whoever recorded that fucking killed. the bass is simply amazing. total hendrix sound for guitar...


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A couple I admire and overlooked would include...

Tom Dowd (If for no other reason than Layla - though he did tons of great stuff)

Quincy Jones... great producer, but not much of a "rock" pedigree.

Bill Szymczyk (okay, flame away, but I LIKE the Eagles...)

Glynn Johns (rumour has it that he's an as* to work with, but I like the end results)

Flame suit firmly on, but some of Rik Ocasek's productions really sound good to me... the new Weezer, for example, is a great little power pop / rock record. Hooks for days.

And a couple I just don't like or "get":

Phil Spector... yeah, he influnced someone I do like (Brian Wilson), but IMO, all his records sound too much alike, and as if the artist was "incidental". For the most part, I prefer producers who help the artist get their sound rather than stamp their sound on the artist's records... Roy Thomas Baker notwithstanding. But you have to love a guy who's willing to pull out a .45 ACP and start blasting away at the studio monitors just because he didn't like what he was hearing, don't you?

[pantload not mentioned by name in order to save the moderator the trouble of deleting said pantload's name] Seems to me he gets a lot of credit for the efforts of others... and like GM said, he was just plain lucky to be in the right place at the right time.

The infamous Lord-Alge brothers... sorry, but IMO they've probably ruined more records than [pantload] has.

Jeff Lynne... Sorry, but I'm not a big fan of the "everything AND the kitchen sink" school of production solely for the sake of being able to say you used "everything AND the kitchen sink" on the record. But I heard that Lee Flier REALLY REALLY likes his work. Tell all your friends...

Oh, and I'd like to say that while David Foster has done his share of schmaltz over the years, I have to give him credit... the cat does have some talent. I actually got to meet him once, and he came across as very quiet, soft spoken and humble. And he IS a killer pianist.


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A name I haven't seen mentioned here before:

Kevin Gilbert (RIP) - His writing/production on Toy Matinee & his solo works (Thud, Shaming of the True) are brilliant, and let's not forget all that he did, quite thanklessly, for Sheryl Crow's career.

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Paul Kolderie and Sean Slade - anyone from Boston or New England can attest to how important these two were for indie rock. Radiohead, Morphine, Mighty Mighty Bosstones. They might not be Rock Godz, but the records they made easily have as much influence on rock and roll as anyone else out there.

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Interesting...
What artists who produced themselves are noteworth?

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Interesting...
What artists who produced themselves are noteworth?

adam


how about fugazi?

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Let's remember the topic:
ROCK!!!!! GODS!!!!!

Eddie Kramer = sounds to tape/disk, there is no equal.

Brendan O'Brian = the only mixer on the planet that can hear what's in our head as we right the music, and convey it to our ears time after time. All hail Brendan O'Brian king of the highpass filter at all the proper frequencies.

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Jon Brion.

One of the most amazingly talented guys I've had the pleasure of making coffee for in the studio.

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I'm shocked that no-one has mentioned John Leckie, or have they? And what about Gil Norton's work on the Pixies and Belly stuff? The first Pixies Album IS rock!


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Mr. Spitz, how cool. Taking me waaaaaay back.

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how about fugazi?



im with ya on fugazi. their albums are always superb, 'end hits' is currently my favorite. the album where they finally sound like they have been doing some drugs.

i dont know about eddie kramer, his stuff never has impressed me. jimi is the only reason why he is who he is... and jimi could of sounded a LOT better technically speaking.


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i dont know about eddie kramer, his stuff never has impressed me. jimi is the only reason why he is who he is... and jimi could of sounded a LOT better technically speaking.

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Really!!! Why don't you go get all your Led Zep albums you have been trying to re-create the drum sounds for and see who engineered almost ALL!!! of 'em. Yeah, Eddie Kramer. Yeah, three mics. He mumbled that when the song "The Ocean" came on the radio at about 4 in the morning on the way home from a session from way in the back in the tour bus where he was lying down. All we heard was Thee mics, and he went to sleep.
I've had him get my sounds through ssl pre's, neve 10 series pre's, and focusrite desks, It ALWAYS sounded the same, amazing. That's in the touch. Just like if I plug in my fingers to any amp. I can make it sound like ME!!!
Hendrix album's sounded non impressive? I remember a story Eddie told me about the first Marshall amp ever made being brought in to a Hendrix session at electric ladyland and him saying "what the heck is that". Remember the tools used and inginuity back then. These where genious' at work.Creating and paving NEW territory.
How about YOU!!! you have all the tools they helped create. What will you do with them?
It's not the gear, it's the artist/engineer/mixer at the helm.

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Dan, don't get your panties in a bunch, Mr. Kramer is great. Who else do you dig?

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Anthrax Man---I'll have to agree with you on Eddie Kramer. Alphajerk, you have to realize that Eddie was working with very primitive gear. The first couple of Hendrix albums were done on a THREE track! I think the first three or four Led Zep albums were done on eight tracks machines, little or no outboard gear. He did some amazing recordings given what he had to work with. The guy is very talented, and from the many interviews he's done seems to be real nice, as well...

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Yeah, Eddie Kramer is one of the good guys, ditto Glyn Johns, although I tend to think of them more as engineers than producers.

And Phil, I'll get you for that Jeff Lynne comment!

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hang on, y'all. Alpha made a point. Jimi's stuff could have been better - 3 track or two track or whatever. I think he's referring to his miking techniques. There are a lot of strange phasing problems on that stuff. Now, whether or not it was intentional is another story - but the fact remains that that specifically is what keeps me from actually enjoying the music. Led Zep on the the other hand, did he produce them or just engineer the stuff? "Three mics" may not have been his idea to begin with!

And, Dan, the man from An - thrax, the stories are hip but don't support the argument completely. BTW, who produced Anthrax's earlier stuff? What was it like working with him/her/it? Was Dee Snyder always bugging you guys or is that just more recently?

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i havent really been after the zep drum sounds. all you need for that is a great drummer, a great room, and a couple room mics. 90% of EVERYTHING is the player... but its that last 10% thats a bitch. im looking for a more in your face sound than zep had drumwise, something that sounds like it does in a club with the subs pounding on the kick etc... not many recordings have that sound. so maybe you could say the zep sound is a STARTING point, but i want to amp that up by a thousand fold.

and even most people i know as much as they like zepplin dont think their recordings are very good SONICALLY [they love their playing/arrangement]

check out buddy guys 'sweet tea' album... then put on a hendrix album. you will find that jimi's, sonically, dont hold up. and no, im not talking about the phasing... most of that IMO is intentional, not like SW's innervisions which is just horribly bad in the top end phasing dept.

to be totally honest, i have a hard time NOT making someone sound just like they do... and some [most] of the time im trying to make them sound WAY BETTER than they really are.

and im sure eddie kramer is certainly a super nice guy.


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I'm listening to Zep II right now. You can almost hear Zeppelin's engineer (Kramer?) lunging across the desk to turn down the distorted guitar when it first comes in on Killing Floor!

The cymbals on Livin' Lovin' go spiss-spiss instead of KRESH-KOSH

Or when the tom's roll in on What Is And What Should Never Be, biSH-baDAdooSH-DASH, all distortion and freaked out compression. I love this album but I don't use it for a mix reference.

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Mr Tom Cram----I have heard your engineering work on the Honest Engine CDs and must say you might be an "Eddie Kramer Jr." (You can see from my earlier post I mean that as a compliment.) Good job, man...

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surely there's a better way to complement someone...

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Hah! Ya got me! Teach me to open my big fat mouth!


Uh, err, I meant to say I LOVE Kramer, yeah...that's what I meant to say.

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GM's "Pantload" notwithstanding, this is the quintessential 'pantload piece of walking human feces'. This motherfucker has glommed onto, and totally fucking ruined more potentially decent records than any man breathing should have been permitted to do (in any 3 lifetimes). The king of no taste, no ears, and financial sodomy played upon unsuspecting musicians that can least afford it.

This no account talentless ball of shit should have stayed in insurance sales where scumbags like him belong.



Fletcher,

I'm only recently home from the hospital, and still fairly loaded up painkillers...so, could you be more specific as to how you really feel about this individual?

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Sir George Martin
In no particalllyy order:
Leonard Chess
Sam Phillips
Jimmy Page
Lou Adler
Chet Atkins
Phil Spector
Motown
Felix Pappalardi
Jimi Hendrix
Tom Dowd
Rudy Van Gelder
Gary Katz
Treavor Horn
Sherly Crow
Henry Lewy
I left out lots of people.



You didn't really add Sheryl Crow, did you? Yep, you did. Oh my, oh my...Kevin Gilbert's [Toy Matinee] life poured out and wasted.

You didn't really fucking say Sheryl Crow did you? Sheesh, I fucking quit.

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I've always thought that Jimi's recordings were wonderful, especially the Axis: Bold as Love album. If my recordings (with many more tracks and all the time in the world to nitpick) sounded that good I'd be very happy. The appeal to me about Jimi's and Zeppelin's early albums is that they were recordings of great bands playing together and most likely done rather quickly, not poked, prodded, and ProTool-ed ad naseum. I like to imagine that they are first or second takes. Isn't the most important part of the producers job to capture a good performance? Should we care about the minor technical glitches? Isn't the guitar riff that sends the engineer "lunging across the board" in some way better than the one that sounded like the previous take?

These recordings are archetypes of rock and roll. I'm sure the next time you record Hendrix or Zeppelin it will be a vast improvement, but second guessing Eddie Kramer's recordings is futile; they are bigger than we who attempt to analyze. The test of time has proven that Eddie Kramer did it right the first time, leaving all the rough edges and "accidents" intact.


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Chipotle, I see what you are getting at, but I'm not convinced. You don't think Mr. Kramer would fix an engineering/production mistake here and there if he were given the opportunity? I think any of us would jump at the chance to test the "If I only new then what I know now" aphorism. Just because you have gotten used to a mistake doesn't mean it is no longer a mistake.

I would give my left testicle to just make Mr. Kramer a cup of coffee. Does that make him infallible? Is his work immutable, or above reproach? Let's move on, there are plenty of other great engineers/producers to discuss, okey dokey?

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Yeah, Eddie Kramer is one of the good guys, ditto Glyn Johns, although I tend to think of them more as engineers than producers.


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Lee,

You are so correct:
If you look at an earlier post of mine directed at the question at hand you will see:

Eddie Kramer = sounds to tape/disk (that qualifies as engineer,not mixer, in fact he does not like to mix much)

Brendan O'Brian = mixer (there is no equal or anyone even on the same planet as this mans talent at hand).

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And Phil, I'll get you for that Jeff Lynne comment!

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You mean you DON'T like Jeff Lynne? And here I always thought that he was your "hero" and "inspiration"!

I wondered how long it would take before you saw that!

For the record everyone, I think it's actually Ms. Flier's opinion that J.L. is also in the (pantload} category... and I was just poking fun with my earlier comments.

Although I have heard rumors that Tom Petty's Full Moon Fever is actually her favorite production of all time...

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Twenty years ago I heard "Sgt Pepper´s Lonely Hearts Club Band". The original long play, MONO!. Today that recording (as all Beatles stuff) remain as the right tone... at the right time... with a PRESENCE and a QUALITY I don´t identify in any modern (stereo) recording. It looks that we have much more toys and tools, but after all these years, the CROWN still belongs to Sir George Martin.

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Well here's a bone for ya -

I do like Jeff Lynne's production. Generally.

Especially the Tom Petty stuff.

And he's an honest-to-goodness nice guy with a ton of musical talent.

So, load him out of your pants already...

JW

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I'll second John Leckie and Gil Norton. I also really dig Wharton Tiers stuff with Sonic Youth.

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I do like Jeff Lynne's production. Generally.

Especially the Tom Petty stuff.


EEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

How do you justify the fact that Jeff Lynne makes everyone he produces sound like ELO with a different singer? That he obliterates everything that made the artist unique in the first place?

I mean really - put on the following songs, in the following order:

Tom Petty - "I Won't Back Down"
George Harrison - "Got My Mind Set On You"
Dave Edmunds - "Slippin' Away"
Roy Orbison - "You Got It"

You'd swear it was all the same friggin' record with a different singer!

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Just the snare sound on those Jeff Lynne records is enough to make you crazy.

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Just the snare sound on those Jeff Lynne records is enough to make you crazy.


Yeah, no shit! Between THAT snare sound and those Vocoder-ized backing vocals, it's like, how many times can you use the same stupid tricks?

I'm just waiting for some software developer to release a "Jeff Lynne emulator" plugin, it wouldn't be that tough.

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Lee Flier---Good point about Jeff Lynne. Add to that list the Beatles' (or is it THREE-tles?)"Free As A Bird"...



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Lee Flier-Good point about Jeff Lynne. Add to that list the Beatles' (or is it THREEtles)"Free As A Bird"...



Ohhhh gawd, how could I forget that one? That's one of the worst offenders! The closest thing to a Beatles reunion we're ever likely to have, and it sounds like freakin' ELO!!!

--Lee

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but, but, but, but, but, but,


HE'S A NICE MAN!!!!!!

gotya!

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i left somebody out cause they don't produce all that much (they mostly engineer), but so many of his records sho' sound good....
Don Smith:

i.e. first "cracker" record, "bash and pop", the new delbert mcclinton, stones, petty, dylan, etc.


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someone mentioned artist-producers:

nominations are:

1. artist formerly known as mr. squiggle
2. beck
3. tom waits
4. tony joe white

and the winner is.....


frank zappa


also, i'd like to mention mick harvey, who's been a great job of rock production of late (pj harvey(no relation), conway savage and more)

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The above posts both have merit. Bob Crewe is VASTLY under-rated. He wrote and produced for many people (most notably Franki Valli and the Four Seasons, who RULED the charts in the pre-Beatle early 60's), and Frank Zappa was a brilliant producer/composer who's music unfortunately is a little eccentric for most folks...

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someone mentioned artist-producers:

nominations are:

4. tony joe white



i second the nomination, and add "original-home-recording-in-a-tar-shack-in-west-virginia-since-the-50's-one-man-band-psychobilly-nut: hasil-adkins" to the list

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i know milli vanilli, it doesn't make them good

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Great list, and it's kinda cool to see a few that normally walk on water getting [ ].... here a few that haven't been mentioned yet and have the special ability to capture the artist's emotion without imparting a producer's signature.

Paul Northfield
Ted Templeman
Jim Messina

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I think 80% of what's out there sucks. Thin sounding stuff made on the best gear, u87, neve, 1176, to two inch 24 track. Drums with no top end or punch, buried in the mix. Or an instrument or vocal WAY WAY out front for the sake of the "hook" or "artist".Horse Shit! I would rather wonder what a word was rather than bring something so far out front at the expense of the full mix any day. Some of this stuff sounds like you are listening a block away. Thin and dead. You can go too far with this crap about carving out a space for everything to sit in. I know tha average Joe doesn't care. But I can't believe the shit quality being released by so called pros. Okay already. What is a good mix? IMHO
1. "Toy Matinee" mixed by Bill Bottrell

2. Kevin Gilbert "Thud" produced by Kevin Gilbert

3. Jude Cole "Start the car" produced by Jude Cole and James Newton Howard and oh yeah engineered by Chris Lord Alge huuumm

These three come to mind, lots of others. Put one on, I dare you to fall asleep. Sorry about the rant. Brad

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I'll second Mister Waits. His last album was stunning. Jeff Lynne should be hung, drawn & quartered for completely shitting upon the Beatles like that, what a mess.

How about Norman Cook as artist - producer? Have you seen the shit he has to make records on? I think he still uses an Atari ST and Cubase.


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hi everybody! just my 02 eurocents ...

dont know how old you are, what is rock for you, and what really does a producer, but for a young french guy like me, who for sure respects george martin for what he did but doesnt agree at all with conservative sayings, the ultimate rock producer is trent reznor.

just listen to the downward spiral (and antichrist superstar if you're into heavy rock)

as an opposite example i fall asleep when trying to listen to tool LPs...

hervé

ps:tom waits too is one of the persons that make music going better and better !

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WHO are 'Max' or 'Lamp'?

Never heard of them. Any good?



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hi everybody! just my 02 eurocents ...

dont know how old you are, what is rock for you, and what really does a producer, but for a young french guy like me, who for sure respects george martin for what he did but doesnt agree at all with conservative sayings, the ultimate rock producer is trent reznor.

just listen to the downward spiral (and antichrist superstar if you're into heavy rock)

as an opposite example i fall asleep when trying to listen to tool LPs...

hervé

ps:tom waits too is one of the persons that make music going better and better !


You know, Herve, I do respect that opinion. I think that Trent is very creative and sort of ahead of his time. He has certainly done things no one else has and made it sound good (At least to me). Dispite the incredibly depressing themes, I still enjoy the production and the music he does. It's like he can make anything non-musical sound musical. It's an interesting (if not totally drug-induced) approach that caught on quickly.

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im looking for a more in your face sound than zep had drumwise, something that sounds like it does in a club with the subs pounding on the kick etc... not many recordings have that sound.



mmmm.....that sounds like tendency towards Hip Hop or repeatitive 4/4 beat dance music, no?

Use the the sub woofer for back message, it also works great for air circulation when fresh air is required in your studio.

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i know milli vanilli, it doesn't make them good
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>WHO are 'Max' or 'Lamp'?

>Never heard of them. Any good?

i don't know 'lamp', but i know i'm not any good yet (that's ok, it just gives me lots of room to improve)

but, bob, do you really think that notoriety equals quality?

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mmmm.....that sounds like tendency towards Hip Hop or repeatitive 4/4 beat dance music, no?


not at all. a ROCK kick on a nice PA sounds NOTHING like a kick naturally does. it sounds bigger than life, alternatively, john bonhams drum sounds on a lot of zepplins albums like the room is bigger than life... at least to me it does.

now ac/dc on the other hand has just got some wonderful sounding drums.


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No, but it MAY equal *fame*.

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Sir George (god himself) Martin,

and the guy who produced Iron Maiden,

and the guy who produced Deep Purple


so what's the WIFM?
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osama bin laden is famous
so is p. diddy

i rest my case

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You didn't really add Sheryl Crow, did you? Yep, you did. Oh my, oh my...Kevin Gilbert's [Toy Matinee] life poured out and wasted.

You didn't really fucking say Sheryl Crow did you? Sheesh, I fucking quit.

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Could you be more specific?



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An interesting thread which seems to have slalomed off the original piste...
"Rock Godz" would seem to suggest overblown late 60s/early 70s preeners, of which Richy Blackmore represents the supreme archetype...undisputedly talanted, obsessed, driven, insecure, a social cripple with an ego the size of betelguese....
We've veered over to producers, whom would engender all of the above, plus, no clue as to what's going on, and serious grief placating the record company.....
I guess that's why the recording engineer has the crappiest job....if he/she does it well, the producer gets the credit....if the producer fucks up.....
the engineer gets the blame.....oy vey!...it's a funny old world....
I'll just add Joe Meek to the top producers list.....

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rock god? keith richards the "new" elvis g

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Zappa / Alan Parsons / Brian Eno / Jimmy Page / Jimi Hendrix / William Orbit (sorry for the "O", mate...)


Alphajerk...

guess we got a couple of things in common, I guess...
Did you buy Drawn from Life yet?

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OK I read all the posts. Most of my favorites have been mentionned.

I don't get why Daniel Lanois is getting such a bad rap.

I'm usually impressed by how just and fair Mr. Massenburg's statements are even when in conflicting discussion. So this reaction really has me scratching my head because I'm figuring this opinion is informed.

I've always loved the D.L. work I've heard. So what is the deal, someone else is always fixing his stuff and he is pure fraud ?

Emile
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I'm not sure if he counts as a "Rock God" by everybody's standards (although his records with the Association and the Turtles would qualify him as such by 60's rock and roll standards) but I have to mention Bones Howe here. His records with Tom Waits (I know, not exactly rock and roll) are just wonderful.

I'd also like to put in a good word for Joni Mitchell and/or Tom Scott for "Court and Spark," and Al Schmitt for "After Bathing At Baxter's" by the Jefferson Airplane (talk about an adventursome record!)

I also agree with a lot of the other people who have nominated other candidates for this list.

I won't argue with people who want to narrowly define "Rock and Roll," but in the 60's, when I was a kid listening to the radio, we tended to use the term to cover a lot of ground- Motown, Surf Music, the English Invasion, Folk Rock, etc. I just took a look through Lillian Roxon's "Rock Encyclopedia" from 1969, and found entries that you would expect: Hendrix, Beatles, Chuck Berry, etc., but also Flatt and Scruggs, Tiny Tim (a non-rocker if there ever was one) and Pat Boone. Mr. Boone made songs by black artists (notably Little Richard) acceptable to white, suburban households in the mid-1950's, and, in doing so, helped spread the gospel of rock and roll throughout the land.

The most interesting thing about the word is that started out as pretty much just a marketing conceit. The word was used by DJ Alan Freed to re-name what had previously been called Rhythm and Blues. (If I have my story straight, Freed needed a catchy phrase to use to get white kids to come to Rhythm and Blues dance parties that he was hosting in the Cleveland/Akron area. I also remember reading that the term "rock and roll" ws street-slang for sex. Sure to attract adolescents.) I recall seeing an interview with Fats Domino whose response to the Rock and Roll craze of the mid-fifties (rock and roll's first wave, if you will) as a little puzzling to him. He had been playing the same music for years, and suddenly, iwith a new name, everyone was interested in it.

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Of course, the obviously talented Mutt Lange and Trevor Horn, but another person comes to mind is Gino Vannelli.

The music he and his brother Joe produced back in the 70's and 80's, was pretty damn amazing. I was over at Blue Moon studio's one time, and Joe pulled up a mix of something they were working on. I fell on my ASS!!! Till this day, I don't think I can compare Gino's sound with any one elses. They are original in every sense of the word.

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it can't have been Paul....the line about Love Me Do gives it away. (Macca does actually OWN the rights to Love Me Do/P.S. I Love You......)

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19 years later, it is completely ridiculous to post in this thread.
That's why I am doing it.

John Simon and Robbie Robertson - they co produced The Band by The Band.

Didn't read the whole thread but I bet nobody mentioned them.


It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is.
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