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#450249 10/10/01 03:04 AM
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At Motown OUR favorite rock gods around 1965 were Bob Crewe, Leiber & Stoller and Phil Spector.


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someone mentioned artist-producers:

nominations are:

1. artist formerly known as mr. squiggle
2. beck
3. tom waits
4. tony joe white

and the winner is.....


frank zappa


also, i'd like to mention mick harvey, who's been a great job of rock production of late (pj harvey(no relation), conway savage and more)

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The above posts both have merit. Bob Crewe is VASTLY under-rated. He wrote and produced for many people (most notably Franki Valli and the Four Seasons, who RULED the charts in the pre-Beatle early 60's), and Frank Zappa was a brilliant producer/composer who's music unfortunately is a little eccentric for most folks...

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someone mentioned artist-producers:

nominations are:

4. tony joe white



i second the nomination, and add "original-home-recording-in-a-tar-shack-in-west-virginia-since-the-50's-one-man-band-psychobilly-nut: hasil-adkins" to the list

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i know milli vanilli, it doesn't make them good

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Great list, and it's kinda cool to see a few that normally walk on water getting [ ].... here a few that haven't been mentioned yet and have the special ability to capture the artist's emotion without imparting a producer's signature.

Paul Northfield
Ted Templeman
Jim Messina

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I think 80% of what's out there sucks. Thin sounding stuff made on the best gear, u87, neve, 1176, to two inch 24 track. Drums with no top end or punch, buried in the mix. Or an instrument or vocal WAY WAY out front for the sake of the "hook" or "artist".Horse Shit! I would rather wonder what a word was rather than bring something so far out front at the expense of the full mix any day. Some of this stuff sounds like you are listening a block away. Thin and dead. You can go too far with this crap about carving out a space for everything to sit in. I know tha average Joe doesn't care. But I can't believe the shit quality being released by so called pros. Okay already. What is a good mix? IMHO
1. "Toy Matinee" mixed by Bill Bottrell

2. Kevin Gilbert "Thud" produced by Kevin Gilbert

3. Jude Cole "Start the car" produced by Jude Cole and James Newton Howard and oh yeah engineered by Chris Lord Alge huuumm

These three come to mind, lots of others. Put one on, I dare you to fall asleep. Sorry about the rant. Brad

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I'll second Mister Waits. His last album was stunning. Jeff Lynne should be hung, drawn & quartered for completely shitting upon the Beatles like that, what a mess.

How about Norman Cook as artist - producer? Have you seen the shit he has to make records on? I think he still uses an Atari ST and Cubase.


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hi everybody! just my 02 eurocents ...

dont know how old you are, what is rock for you, and what really does a producer, but for a young french guy like me, who for sure respects george martin for what he did but doesnt agree at all with conservative sayings, the ultimate rock producer is trent reznor.

just listen to the downward spiral (and antichrist superstar if you're into heavy rock)

as an opposite example i fall asleep when trying to listen to tool LPs...

hervé

ps:tom waits too is one of the persons that make music going better and better !

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Quote:
Originally posted by max:
i know milli vanilli, it doesn't make them good

cheers
max
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WHO are 'Max' or 'Lamp'?

Never heard of them. Any good?



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hi everybody! just my 02 eurocents ...

dont know how old you are, what is rock for you, and what really does a producer, but for a young french guy like me, who for sure respects george martin for what he did but doesnt agree at all with conservative sayings, the ultimate rock producer is trent reznor.

just listen to the downward spiral (and antichrist superstar if you're into heavy rock)

as an opposite example i fall asleep when trying to listen to tool LPs...

hervé

ps:tom waits too is one of the persons that make music going better and better !


You know, Herve, I do respect that opinion. I think that Trent is very creative and sort of ahead of his time. He has certainly done things no one else has and made it sound good (At least to me). Dispite the incredibly depressing themes, I still enjoy the production and the music he does. It's like he can make anything non-musical sound musical. It's an interesting (if not totally drug-induced) approach that caught on quickly.

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im looking for a more in your face sound than zep had drumwise, something that sounds like it does in a club with the subs pounding on the kick etc... not many recordings have that sound.



mmmm.....that sounds like tendency towards Hip Hop or repeatitive 4/4 beat dance music, no?

Use the the sub woofer for back message, it also works great for air circulation when fresh air is required in your studio.

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the mix fix wrote:

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i know milli vanilli, it doesn't make them good
cheers
max
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>WHO are 'Max' or 'Lamp'?

>Never heard of them. Any good?

i don't know 'lamp', but i know i'm not any good yet (that's ok, it just gives me lots of room to improve)

but, bob, do you really think that notoriety equals quality?

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mmmm.....that sounds like tendency towards Hip Hop or repeatitive 4/4 beat dance music, no?


not at all. a ROCK kick on a nice PA sounds NOTHING like a kick naturally does. it sounds bigger than life, alternatively, john bonhams drum sounds on a lot of zepplins albums like the room is bigger than life... at least to me it does.

now ac/dc on the other hand has just got some wonderful sounding drums.


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No, but it MAY equal *fame*.

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Sir George (god himself) Martin,

and the guy who produced Iron Maiden,

and the guy who produced Deep Purple


so what's the WIFM?
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osama bin laden is famous
so is p. diddy

i rest my case

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You didn't really add Sheryl Crow, did you? Yep, you did. Oh my, oh my...Kevin Gilbert's [Toy Matinee] life poured out and wasted.

You didn't really fucking say Sheryl Crow did you? Sheesh, I fucking quit.

Cheers,

Mark



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Could you be more specific?



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An interesting thread which seems to have slalomed off the original piste...
"Rock Godz" would seem to suggest overblown late 60s/early 70s preeners, of which Richy Blackmore represents the supreme archetype...undisputedly talanted, obsessed, driven, insecure, a social cripple with an ego the size of betelguese....
We've veered over to producers, whom would engender all of the above, plus, no clue as to what's going on, and serious grief placating the record company.....
I guess that's why the recording engineer has the crappiest job....if he/she does it well, the producer gets the credit....if the producer fucks up.....
the engineer gets the blame.....oy vey!...it's a funny old world....
I'll just add Joe Meek to the top producers list.....

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rock god? keith richards the "new" elvis g

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#450271 11/19/01 01:48 AM
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Zappa / Alan Parsons / Brian Eno / Jimmy Page / Jimi Hendrix / William Orbit (sorry for the "O", mate...)


Alphajerk...

guess we got a couple of things in common, I guess...
Did you buy Drawn from Life yet?

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OK I read all the posts. Most of my favorites have been mentionned.

I don't get why Daniel Lanois is getting such a bad rap.

I'm usually impressed by how just and fair Mr. Massenburg's statements are even when in conflicting discussion. So this reaction really has me scratching my head because I'm figuring this opinion is informed.

I've always loved the D.L. work I've heard. So what is the deal, someone else is always fixing his stuff and he is pure fraud ?

Emile
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I'm not sure if he counts as a "Rock God" by everybody's standards (although his records with the Association and the Turtles would qualify him as such by 60's rock and roll standards) but I have to mention Bones Howe here. His records with Tom Waits (I know, not exactly rock and roll) are just wonderful.

I'd also like to put in a good word for Joni Mitchell and/or Tom Scott for "Court and Spark," and Al Schmitt for "After Bathing At Baxter's" by the Jefferson Airplane (talk about an adventursome record!)

I also agree with a lot of the other people who have nominated other candidates for this list.

I won't argue with people who want to narrowly define "Rock and Roll," but in the 60's, when I was a kid listening to the radio, we tended to use the term to cover a lot of ground- Motown, Surf Music, the English Invasion, Folk Rock, etc. I just took a look through Lillian Roxon's "Rock Encyclopedia" from 1969, and found entries that you would expect: Hendrix, Beatles, Chuck Berry, etc., but also Flatt and Scruggs, Tiny Tim (a non-rocker if there ever was one) and Pat Boone. Mr. Boone made songs by black artists (notably Little Richard) acceptable to white, suburban households in the mid-1950's, and, in doing so, helped spread the gospel of rock and roll throughout the land.

The most interesting thing about the word is that started out as pretty much just a marketing conceit. The word was used by DJ Alan Freed to re-name what had previously been called Rhythm and Blues. (If I have my story straight, Freed needed a catchy phrase to use to get white kids to come to Rhythm and Blues dance parties that he was hosting in the Cleveland/Akron area. I also remember reading that the term "rock and roll" ws street-slang for sex. Sure to attract adolescents.) I recall seeing an interview with Fats Domino whose response to the Rock and Roll craze of the mid-fifties (rock and roll's first wave, if you will) as a little puzzling to him. He had been playing the same music for years, and suddenly, iwith a new name, everyone was interested in it.

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Of course, the obviously talented Mutt Lange and Trevor Horn, but another person comes to mind is Gino Vannelli.

The music he and his brother Joe produced back in the 70's and 80's, was pretty damn amazing. I was over at Blue Moon studio's one time, and Joe pulled up a mix of something they were working on. I fell on my ASS!!! Till this day, I don't think I can compare Gino's sound with any one elses. They are original in every sense of the word.

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it can't have been Paul....the line about Love Me Do gives it away. (Macca does actually OWN the rights to Love Me Do/P.S. I Love You......)

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