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#450189 10/06/01 05:55 AM
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having had 24 hours to think (since my initial post on subject), i would like to agree with Lee about Jeff Lynne; and would like to remove his name from my list and replace it with Bob Clearmountain.......and Bill Laswell.

As far as Sir George goes; there are alot of muso's that got into music because of the Beatles......i wonder how many of us on the other side of the glass got into it because of Sir George and his groundbreaking work in the 60's?

Who produced "Trouble Man" by Marvin Gaye? I LOVE that sound!!!!

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Some things are simply intolerable.
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Hey! What's your beef with D.L.?! I think "Wrecking Ball", "Teatro", "So", "Acadie", "For the Beauty of Winona" and most of the U2 stuff sound great. Am I missing something here?


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add 'time out of mind' and 'yellow moon'

i, too, am intrigued by the animosity, to say the least
personal..?

cheers
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I think "Wrecking Ball", "Teatro", "So", "Acadie", "For the Beauty of Winona" and most of the U2 stuff sound great. Am I missing something here?

Yes.

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add 'time out of mind' and 'yellow moon'

i, too, am intrigued by the animosity, to say the least
personal..?


Completely personal. On one hand it's been a guideline here not to personally attack anyone in public; on the other hand, I get to choose who's venerated and who's revealed. My professional opinion is that Lanois is at the very least extraordinarily lucky, not to mention overrated.

A discussion of the many circumstances that, taken together, couch my personal opinion will have to wait until that dinner I hope we all have together in NY.

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What does a Jamaican know about rock anyways? I'm too busy getting my ice skate blades sharpened...and my bobsled waxed....


ROFLMAO...BTW...the current track is taking Tropical storm Iris (strengthening to hurricane strength) right for Jamaica Sunday morning. I hope if you still have family and friends down there they'll be safe.


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Sir George Martin
In no particalllyy order:
Leonard Chess
Sam Phillips
Jimmy Page
Lou Adler
Chet Atkins
Phil Spector
Motown
Felix Pappalardi
Jimi Hendrix
Tom Dowd
Steely Dan
Rudy Van Gelder
Treavor Horn
Sherly Crow
Henry Lewy
I left out lots of people.



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My professional opinion is that Lanois is at the very least extraordinarily lucky, not to mention overrated.


i tend to think the same thing about radiohead actually 90% of the people in the music business.

geez, that makes me want to come to aes more than all the gear in the world.


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i guess we can also argue what does a rock god producer make?

is it invisibility/technicality/musicianship/meticulousness/hit records?

whatever works?

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ps. i wish i could be there in new york, but newcastle is very far away, so i'm sending my best wishes instead

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BURRRRRRRRRRRNMMP
THIS IS A TEST, ONLY A TEST, OF THE EMERGENCY POST SYSTEM. THIS IS ONLY A TEST:

One day a little boy said to his mommy, "oh no, mommy, I seem to have a Daniel Lanois"!.

The mommy said to the little boy, "yes, indeed, it does appear you have quite a big Daniel Lanois"!.

"I'm sorry I made a Daniel Lanois, mommy!" the boy exclaimed.

The little boy learned later that if one eats too many beans in too much of a hurry, one might get a Daniel Lanois by accident.

THIS HAS BEEN A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY POST SYSTEM. THANK YOU, DRIVE THROUGH

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GM's "Pantload" notwithstanding, this is the quintessential 'pantload piece of walking human feces'. This motherfucker has glommed onto, and totally fucking ruined more potentially decent records than any man breathing should have been permitted to do (in any 3 lifetimes). The king of no taste, no ears, and financial sodomy played upon unsuspecting musicians that can least afford it.

This no account talentless ball of shit should have stayed in insurance sales where scumbags like him belong.

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It's OK, George, I got this one for you:

Quote:
Originally posted by Chip McDonald:
BURRRRRRRRRRRNMMP
THIS IS A TEST, ONLY A TEST, OF THE EMERGENCY POST SYSTEM. THIS IS ONLY A TEST:

One day a little boy said to his mommy, "oh no, mommy, I seem to have a [Pantload]"!.

The mommy said to the little boy, "yes, indeed, it does appear you have quite a big [Pantload]"!.

"I'm sorry I made a [Pantload], mommy!" the boy exclaimed.

The little boy learned later that if one eats too many beans in too much of a hurry, one might get a [Pantload] by accident.

THIS HAS BEEN A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY POST SYSTEM. THANK YOU, DRIVE THROUGH



So, what I want to know is this...
Who saved HIS ass? I apologize for admitting that he's from my part of the country. Maybe he's not?

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George,

It's quite refreshing to see that you're not in the "shit" business.

Quote:
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Completely personal. On one hand it's been a guideline here not to personally attack anyone in public; on the other hand, I get to choose who's venerated and who's revealed. My professional opinion is that Lanois is at the very least extraordinarily lucky, not to mention overrated.

A discussion of the many circumstances that, taken together, couch my personal opinion will have to wait until that dinner I hope we all have together in NY.

George



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I don't take no shit.
I'm not in the shit business.....

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How is it that this thread has gotten so many posts without ANY mention of Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis?!?

These guys MADE Janet Jackson's career! They are number three in producing number one hit records, next to George Martin and Steve Sholes!

A lot of talented producers have already been given just praise in this thread, but let's not forget two of the all time greats!


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janet jackson, puhleeez. they should be drawn and quartered then. number one hits does not a good producer make [contrary to commercialistic ideology of this overly materialistic biz]


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All right. Let's put it this way then. These guys aren't just producers, they're writers and arrangers as well. They definitely bring talent to the table!

BTW, Janet Jackson is just one in a long list of artists they've produced; and IMO a number one hit means a lot more when the artist you produced was going nowhere fast before you arrived on the scene, which is why I mentioned Janet Jackson.

Off topic: alphajerk, you're getting awfully close to that magic 5,000 post mark. Are you going to throw a party?


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Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis maybe talented, but certainly not Rock. Then again I don't think the Beatles were rock either.

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Well, they've produced Rod Stewart and Elton John; but I get your point. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis are mostly known for R&B. I guess it all depends on what you call "rock." When I was a kid, rock was just about anything that wasn't classical or jazz. Even today, some record stores put R&B and hip hop in the "rock" section.

Still, I acknowledge that when talking about rock, many people think of it much more narrowly. Itís kind of like classical music. Many people define the genre in a broad way that includes composers like Bach, Wagner, and Stravinsky. Others define classical music more narrowly, as a period that began with Mozart and ended with Beethoven, thinking of Bach as being from the baroque period, Wagner as being from the romantic period, and Stravinsky as being from the modern period.

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Boy, are we edumacated or what!?!?

Just to be contradictory, The Beatles were rock and definitely influenced all of rock music that followed. Of course, we all know this and I'm just typing to see myself type (?). I think, maybe, music that was more openly influenced by drugs would be considered "rock" more so than any other style.

But Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis - from what I see
http://www.jamlewis.f2s.com/en/discography_artists.htm
they weren't exactly what I would call "influential" or even "ground breaking." But - it's all a matter of taste and opinion, so if Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis are your "Rock Gods," so be it. You're more of a man than I!

BTW, Brian Eno seems cooler to me everyday...

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Oh - has anyone mentioned Bob Rock? Didn't he make quite an impression? The king of simplicity? Mr. Bob "I said QUARTER NOTES, Dammit!" Rock? Just wondering. He certainly made an art out of commercializing rock/heavy metal. And I'm not being sarcastic. That, to me, is a rare talent. So few people understand what simple can do.

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Howabout Gus Dungeon (sp)?

Definately up there imo!

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Hey, don't underestimate Mutt Lange. If we could all do it like that and have the hits, we would. (And I ain't talkin' about his wife.....necessarily )

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well the article on jimmy jam and terry lewis in the last EQ was simply fabulous. i do really love those guys as people from that article. they have such a great outlook, unlike the other 2 guys who were interviewed that issue.


off topic [and sort of on topic] anyone heard the buddy guy album 'sweet tea'? now that is some heavy muthafuckin shit. whoever recorded that fucking killed. the bass is simply amazing. total hendrix sound for guitar...


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A couple I admire and overlooked would include...

Tom Dowd (If for no other reason than Layla - though he did tons of great stuff)

Quincy Jones... great producer, but not much of a "rock" pedigree.

Bill Szymczyk (okay, flame away, but I LIKE the Eagles...)

Glynn Johns (rumour has it that he's an as* to work with, but I like the end results)

Flame suit firmly on, but some of Rik Ocasek's productions really sound good to me... the new Weezer, for example, is a great little power pop / rock record. Hooks for days.

And a couple I just don't like or "get":

Phil Spector... yeah, he influnced someone I do like (Brian Wilson), but IMO, all his records sound too much alike, and as if the artist was "incidental". For the most part, I prefer producers who help the artist get their sound rather than stamp their sound on the artist's records... Roy Thomas Baker notwithstanding. But you have to love a guy who's willing to pull out a .45 ACP and start blasting away at the studio monitors just because he didn't like what he was hearing, don't you?

[pantload not mentioned by name in order to save the moderator the trouble of deleting said pantload's name] Seems to me he gets a lot of credit for the efforts of others... and like GM said, he was just plain lucky to be in the right place at the right time.

The infamous Lord-Alge brothers... sorry, but IMO they've probably ruined more records than [pantload] has.

Jeff Lynne... Sorry, but I'm not a big fan of the "everything AND the kitchen sink" school of production solely for the sake of being able to say you used "everything AND the kitchen sink" on the record. But I heard that Lee Flier REALLY REALLY likes his work. Tell all your friends...

Oh, and I'd like to say that while David Foster has done his share of schmaltz over the years, I have to give him credit... the cat does have some talent. I actually got to meet him once, and he came across as very quiet, soft spoken and humble. And he IS a killer pianist.


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A name I haven't seen mentioned here before:

Kevin Gilbert (RIP) - His writing/production on Toy Matinee & his solo works (Thud, Shaming of the True) are brilliant, and let's not forget all that he did, quite thanklessly, for Sheryl Crow's career.

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Paul Kolderie and Sean Slade - anyone from Boston or New England can attest to how important these two were for indie rock. Radiohead, Morphine, Mighty Mighty Bosstones. They might not be Rock Godz, but the records they made easily have as much influence on rock and roll as anyone else out there.

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Interesting...
What artists who produced themselves are noteworth?

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Interesting...
What artists who produced themselves are noteworth?

adam


how about fugazi?

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Let's remember the topic:
ROCK!!!!! GODS!!!!!

Eddie Kramer = sounds to tape/disk, there is no equal.

Brendan O'Brian = the only mixer on the planet that can hear what's in our head as we right the music, and convey it to our ears time after time. All hail Brendan O'Brian king of the highpass filter at all the proper frequencies.

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