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#450159 10/05/01 05:10 PM
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In no particular order;

Peter Gabriel
Bill Laswell
Tim Freise-Green
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Marc Johnson
Mitchell Froom
Brian Eno
David Sylvian

I'm sensing a trend.

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#450160 10/05/01 05:28 PM
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Whoah George! I'm guessing there is some history there? I'm not the only guy who mentioned him in this thread you know, better grab your eraser

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#450161 10/05/01 05:47 PM
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Whoah George! I'm guessing there is some history there? I'm not the only guy who mentioned him in this thread you know, better grab your eraser


Why is this mysterious/secret (pantload name deleted by administrator)-thing happening?

I love his work with Neville Brothers, Willie Nelson, Emmylou Harris and U2. And his solo albums.

GM, is there something you'd like to tell us?


Just curious,
Mats

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#450162 10/05/01 06:27 PM
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I totally second the nomination of Zappa.
The first most original indie producer to beat the sytem.

BTW the category is rock PRODUCERS - how does J. Page or Hendrix fit into this??? Pay attention.

Another - not based on quality but on his success in bringing color-blind music to the masses during a time of great social change. - Berry Gordy.

Also -Alan Parsons - How many years was Dark Side ofthe Moon on the charts?

However, If I had to pick just one G. Martin would have to get the nod.He changed the world.


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#450163 10/05/01 06:58 PM
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i have to add my voice to those nominating chris thomas... listen to the early pretenders, inxs... and pete townsend's "all the best cowboys have chinese eyes." all different music, all powerful and true to the artists, and all GREAT sounds....

and for those of you who scoff at david foster, listen to the tubes' "completion backwards principle." yes, a lot of his work is schlocky... but not all of it!

finally, i have seen no one mention john leventhal. maybe he isn't a "rock god" producer; his stuff tends towards softer material. but his work with shawn colvin and especially mark cohn is great... often very earthy, gritty sounds mixed with more modern ones, and always in service of the song. for me, that is the mark of a great producer, and that is why sir george is on so many people's lists. the arrangement matches the song and adds to its atmosphere. anyone can say "it needs strings!" but few decide it needs a plywood guitar or calfskin-head drums or classical harp....

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#450164 10/05/01 07:09 PM
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Great list...all of the above mentioned are in my list, as well as

Hugh Padgham..."Synchronicity" is a masterpiece in my opinion...so are his other Sting productions

Bob Ezrin...whether you like "Pink Floyd" or not, "the Wall" is an excellent production...seminal

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Well, as usual I'm in 100% agreement with d gauss... Mutt Lange gets a vote from me if only because of his work with AC/DC but later on he kinda lost me... Trevor Horn never did much for me in the first place... Jeff Lynne, ARRRGGHHH, he ruined so many records by artists that I liked, by leaving his big greasy thumbprint all over everything, that it makes me wanna puke.

I am really not into Roy Thomas Baker, Brian Eno or [pantload deleted by list admin] either, although everyone else seems to think they're gods. Too heavy handed IMO. Ditto Phil Spector. Maybe it's just me, but although I like it when an ARTIST is instantly recognizable I just really don't dig it when you can put on a record and know who produced it. To me, the producer is about making the artist sound great, not drawing attention to himself. But, many others would disagree so...

That said, here are my favorite rock gods in no particular order:

Sir George, duh
Jimmy Page
Jimmy Miller
Steve Albini

Brendan O'Brien, Chris Thomas and Rick Rubin should get honorable mention too, they are dudes with great attitudes and obvious fans of what they do. I don't always buy the records they do but I appreciate them.

--Lee


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and for those of you who scoff at david foster, listen to the tubes' "completion backwards principle." yes, a lot of his work is schlocky... but not all of it!

Which is why I hesitantly put forward David's name. He's done some *great* work (lest we forget, he's one of the best piano players on earth) and he's done some real schlock (anyone remember the music video for the David Foster orchestral project featuring him, groovy stubble and all, "air-conducting" an orchestra from high atop a remote plateau?).

I mixed two tunes on Completion Backwards Principle (uh, who didn't?), and I thought at the time it was a giant piece of good production work.

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O.K., here's your chance to compare the rock (producer) godz of the last half century (or so).

I would nominate:

George Martin
Mutt Lange
Trevor Horn

not to leave out:
Jeff Lynne
David Foster (just for the flame opportunity)

...and ask what everyone thinks makes these guys immortal. Or add to the list!

George


Well since you did say ROCK god I would have to vote for Mutt since he has a much more aggressive roster than my original pick, George Martin. It's hard to pass up the guy that virtually invented the definition of the pop music producer but George's work spans more than just rock "sounding" music.
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What does a Jamaican know about rock anyways? I'm too busy getting my ice skate blades sharpened...and my bobsled waxed....

Personally, I like Metallica's "on the road again". Whomever did that is cool wid me.

I like Toto's Rosanna. Kudos again.

Maybe if I actually went back and read a few of those album credits....

On a less serious note, I'd also liek to nominate the biggest ROCK ZEUS of all times...

Barney Rubble and his sidekick F. Flintstone.

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Hi everyone,

Some great names already mentioned, but I'd also like to add that I'm a big fan of David Foster's work!

Chris

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[...David Foster's] brilliant earlier work with EWF (In The Stone is my favourite EWF song inwhich David Foster co-penned)


David had very little to do with the production on In The Stone.

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I am really not into Roy Thomas Baker, Brian Eno or [pantload deleted by list admin] either,


LOL gm you're cracking me up!!

I guess you can't let his name stay on here even if he's getting ragged on!

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george martin
jeff lynne
alan parsons

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LOL gm you're cracking me up!!

I guess you can't let his name stay on here even if he's getting ragged on!

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I'm dying to know who this deleted person is and what he/she did. Any hints?

My nominations to the status of god are:
Sir Curious George Martin - no explaination needed.
Chris Blackwell - Reggae to the US
Eno - for Devo and Talking Heads
Bill Laswell - sometimes this guy is brilliant, sometimes not. Why he tried to produce Motorhead...
Michael Froom - Los Lobos
Sam Phillips - my vote for the one who really started the ball rolling.
Willie Dixon - He wrote and worked behind the scenes for all the electric bluesmen.
Glen Ballard - the guy does good work.
Berry Gordy - I think this guy made some hits, not sure though...

That's it for now.

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Oh man! I almost forgot to mention Helios Creed! The undisputed god of all things distorted.

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If I'm following it correctly, you can find out who the (pantload name deleted by administrator) is here . If that's not the person that's being discussed, then the word "pantload" is being used far too much around here...


Incorrect!! I know Trevor Horn. He is no pantload.

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That, and Trevor's name is still plastered all over this thread. And why would a pantload be deleted in one thread but not in thread specifically about him?

I really dug, by the way, Brian Eno and Steve Lillywhite on that U2 album. Did they do any more work together?

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Some of my faves are (in no particular order):
1) Zappa
2) George Martin
3) Steve Lillywhite
4) Bill Laswell
5) Terry Brown
6) Quincy Jones

John Zorn gets honourable mention for "Mr. Bungle" - landmark for Attention Deficit Disorder victims!

Is there a "least favourite" category we can submit for? If so, Mannfred Eicher gets that honour for all the washed out, reverb laden, going nowhere jazz albums rampant throughout ECM's existence

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Uh huh.

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First name - Daniel?

Why?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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"David had very little to do with the production on In The Stone."

Yeah, but it all starts with a good composition.

"After the Love has Gone" is also another.

Sure David has produced some shlock (who hasn't).....we won't mention Mutt Lange/Shania Twain, or Mutt Lange/Britney Spears, is that schlock or just good ole cheese?

Maybe not a rock god, but i'd put Tommy LiPuma up there also.



1 more!, Jay Graydon.






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There must be something about [P.L.] that I don't know. What's wrong with him? He's from my side of the country anyway...

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It's the hat.

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I've always thought highly of the following (for their incredible depth rather than flash)...

George Martin
Ahmet Ertegun
Paul Samwell-Smith
Peter Asher
oh, and Glyn Johns


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my top ten producers:
1. chris thomas
2. george martin
3. jon brion
4. the one gm don't like (wrecking ball is one of my faves)
5. nick launay
6. sam philips
7. mitchell froom
8. tony cohen
9. tony visconti
10. lobby lloyde

rock gods: there is no god, but jimi, and jimmy is his prophet
(no offence to religions, other than rock)

cheers
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