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#450129 10/05/01 03:43 AM
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O.K., here's your chance to compare the rock (producer) godz of the last half century (or so).

I would nominate:

George Martin
Mutt Lange
Trevor Horn

not to leave out:
Jeff Lynne
David Foster (just for the flame opportunity)

...and ask what everyone thinks makes these guys immortal. Or add to the list!

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I think you would know my vote

Mutt Lang is very talented, yes. But more in a commercial manner. He seems to know and understand simplicity and how to market it.

George Martin, well, I think he probably is God, but needs to move over for Trevor Horn!

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Jimmy Miller, the product speaks for itself.
lowell george, the product speaks for itself.

Emotion is such a fleeting occurance, to be able to bring out the best and most sincere emotion from a performance is a talent so few have ever had, or will ever have. The product speaks for itself.

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#450132 10/05/01 04:49 AM
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I would have to say all of the above with a couple of minor additions.....Todd Rundgren for his work with XTC; and David Gamson for his stuff with Me'shell Ndeogecello (forgive the spelling); just personal faves, y'know!

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#450134 10/05/01 04:54 AM
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niles rodgers....

honorary mention.....jimmy page

#450135 10/05/01 05:37 AM
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Mutt Lange is my personal pick of the litter. I don't care what anyone says, Def Leppard rules!

Let's get, let's get, let's get, let's get rocked!

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Chris Thomas - Pink Floyd, Roxy Music, Sex Pistols, INXS, Pulp, Elton John, Eno, John Cale, Pretenders etc... And he was George Martin's assistant on the White album. Unlike those brilliant auteurs Mutt Lange and Trevor Horn, he has no sound - the band just always sounds like it's the best it could possibly be.

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George Martin
Roy Thomas Baker
Brian Eno


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What? you mean I can take this block of fine swiss and make a song??...COOL!

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brian eno- the one responsible for me doing it all in the first place
bill laswell- the one who makes me want to be even better
dave friddman- uber genius, no one does it better more creatively
jimi hendrix- he IS god

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#450139 10/05/01 07:20 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by alphajerk:

dave friddman- uber genius, no one does it better more creatively


Dave Fridmann... possibly the only guy in Western New York... involved in music, who isn't a total A-Hole... Go Dave!

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Jimmy Page.

The depth, diversity, and originality of talent in one man, plus the legacy left by those recordings, (however flawed - even the flaws are cool), puts him a cut above. He realized a personal vision of a sound that even today influences rock and roll, and he knew exactly what he was doing when he did it. "God" is a strong term to use in any case, and I realize that it was not to be taken too seriously, but "messiah" would not be an inaccurate term in Jimmy Page's case, because his accomplishments were not a "fluke," but rather the product of an excellence in will to achieve an original vision. And that's just from a "production" aspect - the style and execution from the live musician aspect was equally impressive in scope. He did it all, man. You got to respect that.

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#450141 10/05/01 07:55 AM
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Sorry guys
Brian Eno and George Martin are great and all. But Sam Phillips was the first real rock god producer. The rest are followers. It is one thing to out due those before you. However, the real credit must go to the one who blazed the trail FIRST. And that was Sam.

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#450142 10/05/01 08:14 AM
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No one's mentioned George Massenburg?!?

Okay, I'll quit the a** kissing...

I'll vote for Sir George Martin as my personal all time favorite. His all around approach. His knowledge. His "facilitator" instead of "dictator" attitude. The variation in his records in terms of arrangements and sonic techniques. His arranging skills. His willingness to be groundbreaking. He's the #1 reason I got involved in production.

Other favorites I like in the "rock" genre include Roy Thomas Baker, Mutt Lange, Brendan O'Brein, and Steve Lillywhite. Brian Wilson was the ONLY choice for his own music, but I don't know that you'd consider him a "rock" producer. But the guy did some amazing stuff.


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I concur with George Martin, Lowell George, Brian Eno, and Steve Lillywhite. How about [pantload name deleted by list administrator]? He's definitely made some great recordings and pioneered a sound. Chris Blackwell - I guess that's reggae, but he's been involved in many great recordings. Those Steely Dan records sound pretty good to me, too.

However, if I had to pick one it would be Frank Zappa. Certainly he put great players together, made music that was unique, innovative and entertaining, and made incredible sounding recordings. If Frank isn't a rock god, he was at least a mortal genius.


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Chris Tsangarides - He did Sad Wings of Destiny, need I say more?
Tom Allom - His work during the early 1980's was groundbreaking
Chris Goss - Kyuss' "Blues for the Red Sun" remains a landmark of utter hugeness... that, and a "to hell with perfection" approach that captured the band doing what they do best. Heavy rock in a raw and unsanitized form. Imagine that!


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#450145 10/05/01 09:49 AM
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god, there's so many...

=leonard chess (chuck berry, muddy waters, howlin wolf, bo diddly, little walter, etc.)

=jimmy page- covered above

=george martin- covered above

=andre williams (brilliant solo artist,taught berry gordie a thing or two, wrote/produced mustang sally, produced motown's rawest group-the contours)

=jimmy miller-mentioned above, but made the world's biggest garage band sound delicate and dangerous at the same time.

=phil spector! without phil, no brian wilson, and like it or not...no sonny bono...

=prince- say no more.

=tony visconti- (bowie, t-rex, many others..hippie bubblegum meets hard edge with strings thrownn!)

=rick rubin- i hear he only says 2 things in the conrol room..either "cool" or "sucks." he ain't a musician, but he's a big fan. maybe that's why he brings the heart out of his artists...tom petty, johnny cash, run dmc, beasties, etc...

=bob ezrin- gets the shrink/cleanup award. who else could deal with a junkie, egotistical lou reed, a messed up alice cooper, a dysfunctioanl pink floyd, and a fucked up ace frehley/kiss, and deliver classic albums?

=quincy jones-jeez what is there to say? sinatra to sanford and son,to no-nose jacko himself..

i'm sure i forgot a few...


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Quote:
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Dave Fridmann... possibly the only guy in Western New York... involved in music, who isn't a total A-Hole... Go Dave!


Hi, I'm KHAN, a guy in Western New York... involved in music..... Hmmmm..........



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Oh yeah, the topic:

Hendrix
Terry Brown
George Martin
Trevor Horn

no particular order


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#450148 10/05/01 10:05 AM
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Quote:
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I would nominate:

George Martin
Mutt Lange
Trevor Horn

not to leave out:
Jeff Lynne
David Foster (just for the flame opportunity)

...and ask what everyone thinks makes these guys immortal.



martin-no argument

mutt- can go either way. ac/dc on the plus side, but his overattention to detail/use of fairlight seemed to drive everyone nuts... just ask def leopard and especially the cars. heard his wife is a country singer or something

trevor horn- lots of fun ear candy (art of noise, yes, stanky goes to hollywood)but leaves me cold. sure knew how to get the most out of a fairlight.

jeff lynne- ahhh. yikes. danger! danger! great for his band ELO, but...and its a big but... both him and dave stewart are guilty of so many horrible things with other great artists! i.e. tom petty, and especially dave edmunds!


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Favorite rock cod......lessee

They catch pretty good ones Down in Newport Harbor area and do even better out near the Channel Islands. With another mild El Nino expected you can expect to see them as far north as Santa Cruz this winter.

I prefer albacore.

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Ahh you may knock David Foster but need I remind anybody of his brilliant earlier work with EWF (In The Stone is my favourite EWF song inwhich David Foster co-penned), Al Jerreau (Mornin' is another classic), and the classic Chicago power ballads (They're great all but the simmons drums), Boz Scaggs, Chaka Khan, Gordon Lightfoot, Manhattan Transfer, George Benson, etc etc etc.

I vote David Foster absolutely. Not only can he play (I'm not talking about the 3 chord lamers of today, he's fluent in classical, jazz, and rock), but he can compose, arrange, produce ALL WELL IMHO)

Flame away if you must

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George Martin
Tom Dowd
Jimi Hendrix/Eddie Kramer
George Massenburg
Jimmy Page

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I'm loath to exclude any of the greatz, but

I think Bill Bottrell is doing some bloody brilliant stuff. Talk about going all around the yard...

Brendan O'B is also at the top of his game. Train. Latest STP. Both monsters.

Alan Moulder rocks pretty hard.

But no "head-and-shoulders" people around these days. Is it because there aren't any "H&S" artists?

JW

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Sir George
Alan Parsons
Trevah Horn
Jame Guthrie
Brendan O'Brien
Butch Vig
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Tough one ...

1) George Martin (whom I met once, probably the most starstruck I've ever been and what a lovely man he is. Very humble, decent and .... very tall!)

2) Steve Albini

3) Phil Spector

That should cover everything.


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Quote:
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But no "head-and-shoulders" people around these days. Is it because there aren't any "H&S" artists?


what!? nigel godrich, beck mutations is classic. radiohead aint bad either if you are in a coma.


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Connie Plank, Sir Martin, and the guy responsible for Menudo.

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-----Sir George Martin, of course. Listen to some of the Beatle's early versions of their songs versus the finished cuts. (ie: Anthology or some of the bootlegs...) George was such a great editor. He knew every time what worked and what didn't. Definitley the "fifth Beatle", they wouldn't have achieved near as much musically without him. Also, fast-forward to his later work with Jeff Beck and other artists, and you hear the gifts being used in a very different way. Classy, creative, the best...

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I humbly bow my head and nod in total agreement with ALL previous posters!

The list goes on and on, there are so many talents. I would not even try to list all of the ones I like - I could not stand the embarrasment if I missed anyone. However, I read all above posts very fast and didn't notice (=probably missed) any mentioning of some other very influential people whose artistic & conceptual contributions very much has changed our line of work: Les Paul, Chet Atkins, Bowie, Sly Stone, ABBA + Michael B Tretow, Ry Cooder, Georg Neumann, Willi Studer, Leo Fender, Ahmet Ertegun, Bob Moog, Tom Hidley.

My honorary award goes to Grateful Dead, who where very influential in groundbreaking development of modern live sound technology.


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