Jazz+ Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I"m trying to decide between these four VST clean tone Rhodes libraries: Keyscape, VTines, Famous E, and Scarbee 88. Has anybody compared all four? Which has the best unaffected clean tone in response to playing? Quote Find 660 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I have Canterbury (my favourite), VTines, Scarbee 88, & NeoSoul Keys 2. Scarbee can be very clean. VTines has (have?) a lot of modeling options that are well presented visually, so that you can virtually see what you're doing when you tweak. You might really like that and I think if you're willing to spend as much time editing and creating as you do searching for a library with just the right preset, you may be further ahead. You can always have your favourite tone playing in the background as you adjust the various elements in VTines to your taste, and "best" is arbitrary. Just my 2¢. Quote ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Canterbury is my favorite just from demos, but I got Scarbee 88 because it was cheaper, and I don't really use rhodes all that often in my music Scarbee is excellent, no complaints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Schmieder Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I've had all but the new OTS one, and only retained Scarbee 88 after much comparison, albeit with the matrix expansion (which makes a big difference). I find it the most open and articulate in both clean and dirty mode, but initially I liked Canterbury a bit better. After doing direct comparisons by replicating my personal presets in both, I found the Scarbee to cut through the mix better. Probably just due to different miking choices. Quote Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrythek Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Thanks for that info, Mark. I didn't know about the matrix expansion... didn't keep up with what he was doing. Purchased... I too really like his work. Jerry I've had all but the new OTS one, and only retained Scarbee 88 after much comparison, albeit with the matrix expansion (which makes a big difference). I find it the most open and articulate in both clean and dirty mode, but initially I liked Canterbury a bit better. After doing direct comparisons by replicating my personal presets in both, I found the Scarbee to cut through the mix better. Probably just due to different miking choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffincltnc Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I have a lot of Rhodes VSTs. I would rank the ones I own in the following order of how much I use them: Soniccouture Canterbury Suitcase Scarbee EP88s Soniccouture EP73 Purgatory Creek - especially the Mk2 is amazing. Only reason I don't use this the most is because it's not NKS Neo Soul Keys 2 XLN Addictive Keys Mk1 Logic Pro X Electric Piano Arturia V Collection 7 (I have heard the V Collection 8 is a big upgrade) Scarbee v1 - which is still awesome and better than some of the ones above but I just never use it anymore If I didn't have all these and was just buying one I would probably go with Keyscape or Famous E but still get Purgatory Creek for the price. Quote Yamaha U1 Upright, Roland Fantom 8, Nord Stage 4 HA73, Nord Wave 2, Korg Nautilus 73, Viscount Legend Live, Lots of Mainstage/VST Libraries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 I have Canterbury (my favourite), VTines, Scarbee 88, & NeoSoul Keys 2. Scarbee can be very clean. VTines has (have?) a lot of modeling options that are well presented visually, so that you can virtually see what you're doing when you tweak. You might really like that and I think if you're willing to spend as much time editing and creating as you do searching for a library with just the right preset, you may be further ahead. You can always have your favourite tone playing in the background as you adjust the various elements in VTines to your taste, and "best" is arbitrary. Just my 2¢. Between just Scarbee 88 and VTines which was recorded better? Which responds more appropriately out of the box to the player"s touch? Quote Find 660 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Scarbee 88 is all samples and it sounds great out of the box. VTines is sampled + modeled. The basic samples are deep, but it's what you can do with the modeling that gives you the possibility of designing your sound, and I know you have specific tastes. I'm assuming you've checked out YouTube for what the two instruments sound like, but if you haven't seen the VTines "overview," you may get a lot out of it. AND WITH THAT, I've just realised I've passed 4,600 Beers On The Wall Quote ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 In this ' Angela' clean tone shootout, I think the AcoustSamples (is it VTines?) has a more nasal tone and the Scarbee has a rounder tone. Like Lennon and Mccartneys voices. Quote Find 660 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan011 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 One more vote for Canterbury. I found it pretty flexible and tons of character if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 In this ' Angela' clean tone shootout, I think the AcoustSamples (is it VTines?) has a more nasal tone and the Scarbee has a rounder tone. Like Lennon and Mccartneys voices. This video doesn"t compare the two VI"s you"ve been asking about: AcousticSamples VTines vs Scarbee 88. The shootout title lists AS Mark 79 and Scarbee Mark 1. Quote ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 Played Keyscape today from the same controller (Kawai ES110) that I play Scarbee 88 from, I also have The Famous E Piano. The Keyscape dynamics were weird... Scarbee is my favorite, Scarbee behaves very well (dynamically) and it has a very full sound: Its a players vst. Quote Find 660 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1203 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Yes, Scarbee 88 is really a great Rhodes VST. But i found the Famous E is on par with. Both need a bit of eq tweaking to shine. Different character but both great! Quote Nord Stage 2 76, Nord Electro 5D 73, Rhodes Mk2 73, Sequential Prophet 10 Rev4, Akai Miniak Synth, Roland JC 120 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 My go to is Keyscape's LA Rhodes but i'm really liking the sound of that V-Tines. Acousticsamples make quality stuff. Quote https://linktr.ee/rabihrihana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Schmieder Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Scarbee 88 by far. I even now prefer it to Canterbury (by a hair), once adding the expansion module (which curiously isn't promoted or shown in a very visible way on the main product page, last I checked). I'm more easily able to match Canterbury sounds with Scarbee 88 than vice-versa. Both both are great, and to my ears sound more three-dimensional, organic, articulate, and have a broader palette of clean to dirty sounds than others. Ah, I see this is a revived older thread, and much of what I said was already stated in a different way previously, with the new query being more about Scarbee 88 vs. VTines. So now I'll point out that I place VTines just behind PSound's Vintage Electric, which is also for UVI Workstation. I felt the PSound library was more versatile in cutting through and reacting to dynamics in a natural and believable way. But Scarbee 88 makes me feel like I'm sitting at the real thing. Yet I'll reiterate that I rarely use it without the expansion engaged. Quote Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickiefunk Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I own NI Scarbee Rhodes, Orange Tree Famous E and Pianoteq E.Pianos. My favourite of all of these is the Pianoteq Rhodes. This really surprised me. I also really like the Acoustic Samples V Tine and am pretty tempted to pick this one up at some point. I have their B5 V3 Hammond library and this is the most authentic sounding Hammond VST I've heard! (I compared it to B3X, Blue 3 and VB3 II). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Acoustic Samples also makes a really nice Wurly (or two)... see https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/3022553/acousticsamples-vreeds-wurly Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I have XLN Audio Addictive Keys Mark One. It satisfies my Rhodes VST. Quote PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 For Rhodes, unlike acoustic, it's a feast! I'd also love to hear favorite wurlis Quote RT-3/U-121/Leslie 21H and 760/Saltarelle Nuage/MOXF6/MIDIhub, SL-880/Nektar T4/Numa Cx2/Deepmind12/Virus TI 61/SL61 mk2 Stylophone R8/Behringer RD-8/Proteus 1/MP-7/Zynthian 4 MPC1k/JV1010/Unitor 8/Model D & 2600/WX-5&7/VL70m/DMP-18 Pedals Natal drums/congas etc & misc bowed/plucked/blown instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted February 24, 2021 Author Share Posted February 24, 2021 I own NI Scarbee Rhodes, Orange Tree Famous E and Pianoteq E.Pianos. My favourite of all of these is the Pianoteq Rhodes. This really surprised me. I also really like the Acoustic Samples V Tine and am pretty tempted to pick this one up at some point. I have their B5 V3 Hammond library and this is the most authentic sounding Hammond VST I've heard! (I compared it to B3X, Blue 3 and VB3 II). Interesting, why the PianoTeq E Piano? I guess playability is it's strong point Quote Find 660 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBarker Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I'm surprised I've heard no mention of Lounge Lizard. I know it's old, but I "upgraded" to it from Skarbee V1, and I've seen that mentioned a few times here. I love how immediate its controls are. Probably the first great modeled Rhodes. I use Scarbee EP88 now, but there are things about LL that I miss. Quote Puck Funk! Equipment: Laptop running lots of nerdy software, some keyboards, noise makersâ¦yada yada yadaâ¦maybe a cat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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