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I hate to be the bearer of bad news ,but since Nashville is close to many of our hearts.......

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4044708001

1-800-CALL-FBI for tips or information about this.

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It's very bizarre. If it was a terrorist attack, it makes no sense to do it at 6:30 AM, when there aren't a lot of people around to mess up. I'm betting on relationship craziness gone even crazier.

FWIW it's not possible for many people on AT&T to make or receive calls, and 911 isn't working at the moment. So if you have friends in Nashville and can't contact them, don't worry.

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"In a statement, AT&T said: "Service for some customers in Nashville and the surrounding areas may be affected by damage to our facilities from the explosion this morning. "

The explosion was in front of an AT&T data center building. Maybe someone was unhappy with his data service. Maybe we'll eventually learn something interesting about this, maybe not. News reporting is different from how it used to be.

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It really sucked not to be able to call people on Christmas, and the loss of 911 lines means people could die from this. But customers being outraged at AT&T makes no sense...AT&T's service wasn't blown up because someone got drunk and threw up on a server or something. It's like if you were rear-ended and your car totaled on the way to work, and your boss got mad at you.

There are still no leads on who or why. I can't help but wonder whether an RV was chosen because there was plenty of room to put lots of explosive material, and if that's the case, why was it so important to create a massive explosion in downtown Nashville? Was it a trial run to see how easy it would be take out infrastructure?

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Like most sane people, I'm very disturbed by this. We are living in a strange era in the US now.

The thing that confuses me is the motive? The recording warning people to get away at a time of day when the street is not crowded? Loss of life doesn't seem to be the object. I see suspicions of suicide, but aren't there easier ways to off yourself?

I suspect it will die down in the press here in Florida before and if the investigators ever figure it out.

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Originally Posted by Notes_Norton
Like most sane people, I'm very disturbed by this. We are living in a strange era in the US now.

The thing that confuses me is the motive? The recording warning people to get away at a time of day when the street is not crowded? Loss of life doesn't seem to be the object. I see suspicions of suicide, but aren't there easier ways to off yourself?

I suspect it will die down in the press here in Florida before and if the investigators ever figure it out.

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Some sources have suggested that this was the home of the "Kraken" super computer run by Dominion voting systems.

I'll say no more than that. You can draw your own conclusions.

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I am glad that apparently, only the occupant of the RV died in the explosion. He was 63 and an early report suggests that he was bothered by material he was reading online. If you already feel as if dark forces are gathered against you and you're wearing an aluminum foil hat, the Internet is a terrible place to go for comfort. The 15-minute warning being played from the vehicle makes it seem like a weirdly disturbing suicide. I'll bet you a folder full of FX WAVs featuring analog camera shutter clicks that we'll hear about a notebook manifesto or cache of haunting e-mails somewhere. Its not as if this is new. Its just the latest instance.

So I turned that off and watched my DVD, "The Ballad of Don Lewis." If you don't already know of him, or at least this doc, lean in and listen. Its an uplifting piece of synth lore.

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Originally Posted by techristian
Some sources have suggested that this was the home of the "Kraken" super computer run by Dominion voting systems.

I'll say no more than that. You can draw your own conclusions.

Well, there's this...

But the more compelling evidence, to me, was in interviews the police did while pursuing leads with those who knew the bomber. They said he believed 5G was being used to control or spy on people. He was 63, apparently not exactly socially skilled...I could see that kind of person feeling he did an heroic act by sacrificing himself to save people from "the dangers of 5G." It will be interesting to see if any "manifesto" is uncovered.

To be clear, the jury is still out as to whether cell phones have deleterious effects on the human body - there have been conflicting studies - but they have nothing to do with spying on people. They're about the effects of low-level radiation exposure.

On the other hand, here I am refuting a theory that the Nashville blast was associated with election irregularities. It's certainly suspicious...

* I use an AT&T cell phone, but use Comcast for internet. Was I tipped off that AT&T internet would be disrupted, so that's why I use Comcast?
* I live in Nashville, yet specifically avoided that part of downtown on Christmas morning. What did I know...and when did I know it?
* I do not use a 5G service. Why does a technology fan not go for the latest technology? A little suspicious, don't you think?
* "Anderton" has the same number of letters as "Dominion."

Coincidence? You decide!

I'm just glad no innocent bystanders were killed.

I'm old enough to remember people like the Unabomber, the bombings related to the Puerto Rican independence movement, the "mad bomber" who terrorized New York (he was angry at the Con Edison electric company), the March 2018 bombs in Austin, the Olympic Park bomber in Atlanta, the Midwest Pipe Bomber, etc. etc.

Rational people have a hard time understanding irrational acts, so we look for an explanation, even if it's far-fetched. I think the explanation is simple: like these other bombers, the guy was off his rocker, and liked blowing things up. Let's face it - he got the whole country to pay attention, so on one level, he succeeded in what he presumably wanted to do.

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It reminds me of that guy that shot the judge's family. He was dying, so it was a risk he was willing to take. I wonder if this 63 year old felt his life was over soon anyway.


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I think most of the spying comes through the microwave oven. I read that on the Internet.

Furthermore, I keep a tin foil hat on the microwave.

And my first name "Bob" is not only the same forwards and backwards, but it is on digital clocks, including the one on the microwave twice a day, at both 8:08 AM and PM. Coincidence? You decide.


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It doesn't matter what you say to someone who loves conspiracy theories because they always think they know more than the "sheeple" who adhere to "facts" and read the "mainstream media" that do investigative journalism because....well, they've done their "resurch" on the "interwebz".

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For every difficult question there is an easy to understand wrong answer.

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The problem is that some conspiracy theories turned out to be true, like the Gulf of Tonkin incident being mostly manufactured to drum up support for attacking North Vietnam. The government really did poison alcohol during prohibition, the CIA really did give LSD to people in mind control experiments in the MK-Ultra project. Contaminated polio vaccines spread a cancer-causing virus at one point, the government planned to fabricate acts of domestic terrorism and blame Cuba to get people to support a war against Cuba (Kennedy stopped it), the US really was investigating UFOs even when the official line was that such investigations had stopped, John Lennon was being spied on by the FBI, and of course, Watergate, Operation Condor, etc. All of these were conspiracy theories at some point, and there are some more localized ones that turned out to be true (an airport in Oregon where all the locals said it was being used by the CIA...and it was).

Then there are the suppression issues, like the NFL burying the damage of concussions, or the attempt to cover up that smoking causes cancer. So it's not always easy to separate fact from fiction.

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It seems like someone was very knowledgeable about ATT weak spots. While I use ATT I never had any inconvenience with the outage. My family, friends and I used Facetime and Apple text over home internet. I hardly ever make an actual call.


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The latest conspiracy theory is that it wasn't an exploding truck, but a missile. Only problem is the video "proving" it was obviously doctored.

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Originally Posted by Anderton
To be clear, the jury is still out as to whether cell phones have deleterious effects on the human body - there have been conflicting studies - but they have nothing to do with spying on people. They're about the effects of low-level radiation exposure..

Just a word of clarification, if you'll permit it.

The radiation exposure is to microwave radio at extremely low amplitude, not to ionising radiation, i.e. not nuclear radiation.

The theory is that these radio waves may affect the growing tissues (e.g. brain) of children. The likely affect on adults is considered to be far less harmful, if at all.

As you said, Craig, the jury is out.


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There are ample studies showing cell phone radiation impacts cell tissue, as well as having macro effects on the brain operating as a whole. The only way they're approved as "safe" is by doing studies with the antennas x cm away. Radiation doesn't have to be ionizing to have an effect on atoms/molecules.


When most people crush their phone against their ear when they're using them.

It's easy to find scientific evidence - very quick look:


"Nerve cell damage in mammalian brain after exposure to microwaves from GSM mobile phones "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12782486/

"Exposure to GSM 900 MHz electromagnetic fields affects cerebral cytochrome c oxidase activity"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18585429/

"Continuous Exposure to 1.7 GHz LTE Electromagnetic Fields Increases Intracellular Reactive Oxygen Species to Decrease Human Cell Proliferation and Induce Senescence"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32514068/




.... and there are plenty more. And there are studies that show 5G is pretty bad, and the use of different narrow band EM fields is a big growth sector of DOD projects for crowd control.


It's easy to dismiss everything as being "Alex Jones!" but it doesn't mean there isn't truth in there somewhere.



So now I reach a homeostasis of returning to being a "conspiracy nut" here, while mysteriously I'm a sheeple to the 1,000 right winger "friends" on my Fb who think 5G caused SARS COV2 and won't take the vaccine because Bill Gates put a nano chip in it.


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A worrisome trend IMO is the "post Alex Jones Dismissal" effect.

It's now trendy-hip to be flippant about anything that is non-mainstream, to make a joke about it. Even now, despite the Snowden revelations - people have returned to thinking "they're listening to you through your phone" is a "wacky conspiracy theory". Even now, when Google, Facebook, every other tech presence is going it - and we *KNOW* it - the herd mentality is "don't worry about it" at the most.

It's a weird sensation of cognitive dissonance, when I hear so many of the right wingers echo a sentiment of distrust I've always had, but ramped up in a weird non-sensical way. It's almost like a social manipulation project to polarize "believers" from the "sheeple", in ironic agreement with the anti-science anti-mask people I despise. People have been brusquely forced into a habit of polar, non-nuanced thinking.

It's almost as disturbing to me to hear a "left leaning" friend dismiss Alex Jones as it is to hear a right winger say "the vaccines are a mind control experiment!" or some such. Both are non-cognitive response to information that may contain partial truths, buried in what I'm increasingly thinking is a carefully crafted noise of misinformation.


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Chip, I wasn't trying to say that microwave radiation exposure was of NO risk, just of a different risk to ionising radiation.

Many of the tests that I've read are of relatively high amplitude, i.e. they exceed the maximum output of a cell phone, or the exposure is for a prolonged period, i.e. 72 hrs continuous exposure.

The output from a cell phone can be as little as 1mW in a good reception area but as high as 1W or 2W (dependant open radio wave frequency). Some of the tests I've read are using up to 6W of radiated power!

This is from the BMJ:

"The operator’s network controls and adjusts the output power of each connected mobile phone to the lowest level compatible with a good signal quality. This is obtained by logarithmically scaling the power from the maximum (1 or 2 W at 1800 MHz and 900 MHz, respectively) down to a level that may be as low as 1 mW. Such adaptive power control (APC) takes place continuously, with the selected power level depending on several factors, including the distance from the base station, the presence of physical obstacles, whether the phone is used indoors or outdoors, and handovers."

That's why, to some extent, the jury is still out.

BTW. Alex Jones is/was the female presenter of The One Show on the BBC here in the UK.
Are you referring to her?

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Originally Posted by JohnG11
BTW. Alex Jones is/was the female presenter of The One Show on the BBC here in the UK.
Are you referring to her?
Sadly, no.

(I'm not meaning to get political, just informative.)


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Originally Posted by Chip McDonald
A worrisome trend IMO is the "post Alex Jones Dismissal" effect.

It's now trendy-hip to be flippant about anything that is non-mainstream, to make a joke about it. Even now, despite the Snowden revelations - people have returned to thinking "they're listening to you through your phone" is a "wacky conspiracy theory". Even now, when Google, Facebook, every other tech presence is going it - and we *KNOW* it - the herd mentality is "don't worry about it" at the most.

It's a human tendency to want to be part of a tribe. Being part of a tribe usually means accepting the beliefs of the tribe's members - not to do so leads to becoming persona non grata. We see this in politics all the time - someone from one party finds something of merit in a proposal done by a different party, and all of a sudden, they're shunned.

The same thing happens to an even more transparent degree in popular culture - you're not hip if you don't agree with what the tastemakers think is hip.

Members of one tribe will inherently have a knee-jerk reaction to what members of the other tribe believe. I think that perhaps the single biggest positive change that could happen in the world is if everyone considered everything on its own merits, devoid of what others think (or want you to think). This also requires rejecting the idea that there are simple yes/no answers, and instead, investigating nuances and cost/benefit to try to arrive at an evaluation that's both realistic and fact-based.

A simple example of what I mean is listening to loud music. Is it good or bad for you? It depends on how loud it is, how long your exposure is to it, your age, and other factors. Once you are in full possession of the facts, you can act intelligently.

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The thing to remember about Alex Jones, Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity, Jake Tapper, etc. is that they are entertainers who speak exclusively to their tribe/audience. They do this so that they can extract money from advertisers who want to sell things to their particular audience. Some of these people do actual research, but most are content to be storytellers, where they make up the stories based on what they think will please their audience. Even the ones that do research will spin the facts so they they're palatable to their audience.

As long as people think their side is 100% right and the other side is 100% wrong, we'll never make progress. Even changing that ratio to 80/20 would do wonders - finding common ground on even 20% of what's facing us would have far better results than finding common ground on 0% of what's facing us.

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Originally Posted by Notes_Norton
I think most of the spying comes through the microwave oven. I read that on the Internet.

Furthermore, I keep a tin foil hat on the microwave.

And my first name "Bob" is not only the same forwards and backwards, but it is on digital clocks, including the one on the microwave twice a day, at both 8:08 AM and PM. Coincidence? You decide.
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Originally Posted by Anderton
The problem is that some conspiracy theories turned out to be true

Don't forget Alger Hiss, exonerated by the popular culture, employed by NPR as a commentator, and then posthumously confirmed as a known spy when the Venona papers were declassified.


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Originally Posted by Anderton
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As long as people think their side is 100% right and the other side is 100% wrong, we'll never make progress. Even changing that ratio to 80/20 would do wonders - finding common ground on even 20% of what's facing us would have far better results than finding common ground on 0% of what's facing us.

Sometimes it seems that media from and including FOX and points right or MSNBC and points left is trying to keep us divided by telling us 'the others' are 100% wrong.

Remember what Abe Lincoln said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

And as long as this house is divided, the true rulers of the USA, the ones that pull the strings of the marionettes we elect to office can continue to reap in billions of dollars while feeding the majority of us little more than crumbs off the table.

That's why we need to remember those on the opposite side of the fence are not enemies, but patriots with a different idea of the best way to run the country. The great tradition of debate and compromise are much more productive than 'my way or the highway'. That's why we should not be swallowing hook, line, and sinker most of what the propaganda pundits are baiting us with.


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Originally Posted by Notes_Norton
That's why we need to remember those on the opposite side of the fence are not enemies, but patriots with a different idea of the best way to run the country. The great tradition of debate and compromise are much more productive than 'my way or the highway'. That's why we should not be swallowing hook, line, and sinker most of what the propaganda pundits are baiting us with.

Just remember, the Foxes and MSNBCs of this world don't have deeply held philosophical beliefs. They are not educational institutions, but for-profit enterprises. They are selling what they believe will bring in the most income, just like any other for-profit enterprise. They have found that, like sports, people will root for their teams, and buy merch smile

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I will say that it was a little weird hearing about the bombing and hearing about Tony Rice's passing concurrently. He is frequently associated with Norman Blake's "Church Street Blues" which I thought was roughly about that part of Nashville (mentions Church and Charlotte).

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Originally Posted by JohnG11
That's why, to some extent, the jury is still out.

I've seen studies in the mw range. But none take into account resonance, and can't really, for small scale structure geometry.

But the thing that is telling to me is - put your phone very near and object, a mm or 2 away, and then call it from another phone and run music through it for an hour. Then feel the temperature of the object.

That it won't boil water doesn't matter to me. Temperature change and EM fields impact cell interactions, whether it's significant or not I have no proof of, but given it's your brain I err on the side of caution (use the speakerphone).

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Not since she changed her name from Bill Hicks.


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Originally Posted by Anderton
A simple example of what I mean is listening to loud music. Is it good or bad for you? It depends on how loud it is, how long your exposure is to it, your age, and other factors. Once you are in full possession of the facts, you can act intelligently.


It occurs to me I was always the guy complained about because I wore earplugs. Everyone has always been "anti-mask" around me, and I didn't internalize it as an affectation of basic i.q..


Quite a lot of analogous behaviors there, and now that I'm thinking about it.... a person I know that is "very anti-mask" is also someone I was in a band with that liked to insist "you can't be rock and roll with ear plugs!". A curious thing to announce - as if you're of a station whereby your pronouncement of such a thing shouldn't be offensive, or questioned.

"I'm more rock and roll not because of my talent, but because of my willingness to destroy my hearing", "I'm more of a patriot not because of my active role in making America better, but because I'm not afraid of COVID".


Masks = ear plugs?


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Originally Posted by Anderton
The thing to remember about Alex Jones, Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity, Jake Tapper, etc. is that they are entertainers who speak exclusively to their tribe/audience. They do this so that they can extract money from advertisers who want to sell things to their particular audience.

There are outliers now, thanks to YouTube. I don't think Rogan, Jimmy Dore, Lex Fridman have the same "acting!" motivation as the above. Or rather, there isn't a performance aspect. But that differentiation seems lost on most people. It's one of the main reasons I developed and almost physical abhorrence for network television in the 90s: the Fake Talking Head Presentation. Nobody seems to have a problem with being welded with attention to such people as a source of information instead of entertainment, when those people went into "broadcasting" as a business decision, and in most cases did spend time acting at some point.

Or worked with the CIA, hah. "Chip, in the year 2021 every network tv news show will feature presenters that are from the CIA". Wow.

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Some of these people do actual research, but most are content to be storytellers, where they make up the stories based on what they think will please their audience. Even the ones that do research will spin the facts so they they're palatable to their audience.


I don't know. I would say it's more sinister than that. They are given a narrative to deliver, whether it's Hannity or Maddow. Or the View, or any of the other clandestine messaging "entertainment shows".

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..and that's deliberate; remove nuance and make everything polar, keeps the demographics clean.


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Originally Posted by Notes_Norton
Sometimes it seems that media from and including FOX and points right or MSNBC and points left is trying to keep us divided by telling us 'the others' are 100% wrong.


It seems that way?

*IT IS*.


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That's why we need to remember those on the opposite side of the fence are not enemies, but patriots with a different idea of the best way to run the country. The great tradition of debate and compromise are much more productive than 'my way or the highway'. That's why we should not be swallowing hook, line, and sinker most of what the propaganda pundits are baiting us with.

Just remember, the Foxes and MSNBCs of this world don't have deeply held philosophical beliefs. They are not educational institutions, but for-profit enterprises. They are selling what they believe will bring in the most income, just like any other for-profit enterprise. They have found that, like sports, people will root for their teams, and buy merch smile
I understand that. The problem is way too many people watch them and think they are reporting the news and taking it in as the 'gospel truth'. How do you get them to recognize that? I wish I knew.

Mark Twain said: "If you don't read the paper you are uninformed. If you do read the paper you are misinformed." Add TV, radio and social media to the paper and the quote is updated.

I have a friend who truly believes Bill Gates is putting a microchip in every vaccine. She says Gates wants to track her every move. She heard this on one of more extreme than even Fox stations.

Yet she has an iPhone almost surgically attached to her and Siri in her living room.

And because what these people are fed on propaganda media is believed as truth, there is no amount of logic that can change their minds.

How do we wake people up?

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I don't know. I would say it's more sinister than that. They are given a narrative to deliver, whether it's Hannity or Maddow. Or the View, or any of the other clandestine messaging "entertainment shows".

You can add NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, etc. to that list. The majority of your media (I'm Canadian) has gone from being biased to outright lying. What puzzles me is that so many people still believe them.

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You can add NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, etc. to that list. The majority of your media (I'm Canadian) has gone from being biased to outright lying. What puzzles me is that so many people still believe them.

So you are saying that when they say something happened it really didn’t? Like this bomb didn’t happen and they simply all got together and fabricated the story when nothing happened?

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You can add NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, etc. to that list. The majority of your media (I'm Canadian) has gone from being biased to outright lying. What puzzles me is that so many people still believe them.

So you are saying that when they say something happened it really didn’t? Like this bomb didn’t happen and they simply all got together and fabricated the story when nothing happened?
No one claimed the bomb story was fabricated. However, there are plenty of other examples of media lies or blatant omissions on record.

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We discuss this issue with some frequency around here - namely, the reliability, the influence, the biases, the quality of news reporting, etc. We have friends and family with media-related jobs and education - and a number of heavy news followers.

Every day I look at the New York Times, NPR, Fox, and a conservative paper, the Washington Examiner which is an interesting publication. It's conservative but not particularly pro the current administration at all. So I like to visit a variety of sources, and it's quite telling. The bread and butter reporting is pretty much what it's always been - some good writing, some lousy writing - but the actual news reporting is still accurate enough as far as it goes.

The big differences between these news sources are:

1 - the editorials. Beyond any doubt, the editorial slant is clear to all from any of these outlets. Which is ok - they are editorials. I do wish people would not get their news so much from the "commentators". A lot of them are slanted to the point of absurdity. On both the left and right sides. But at least we know these are people with a spin - that's what the editorial section is for.

2 - the choices of what to present. Everyone covers most all of the big events. But there are other stories that, through the simple means of selecting what to print, clearly advance the politics and worldview favored by the general editorial stance and readership. For example, one conservative paper constantly runs articles on crimes committed by undocumented persons present in the U.S. Another liberal paper constantly runs stories about women being mistreated by men. I don't doubt the truth of either type of article - but the repeated selection of these particular types of stories out of all the countless news stories available every day - clearly reveals an agenda on the part of the editorial team. Another example - the reporting of opinion poles never ceases - but the poles that get mentioned seem to point up trends that the left-leaning or right-leaning readership rather likes to hear, depending. This tendency to select out events to report on is a big deal, I think - it's part of the virtual world creation that the media does. If you read, say, nothing but stories about people getting sick, then you start to fear sickness - if you read nothing but the "bad news" about some general group of people or ideas, then you start to think the bad news is the only news about them.

3 - related to the choice of stories to run, there is the huge element of choosing what expert or talking head gets quoted in articles. A lot of editorial-slant content slips into articles that are basically just giving the news, but you get these mini-commentaries from some quoted expert or other, which are often quite biased. For example, say the Fed sets some new policy goal that will have some economic effect or other - there are any number of economists and think tanks brimming with people who write articles, lobby, get on talk shows or news programs to give their spiel. These folks might be smart, sensible, and extremely informed, but they also typically come from one camp or other, liberal or conservative - and it shows in the way they comment on things like Fed policies. I do like how NPR frequently handles these sorts of commenters - they get one from each opposing camp to have their say. Of course, there's rarely anything like a real discussion - each one tends to just spin their company line talking past each other. But at least you get both points of view in your news.

At least in our world, we're pretty content getting news from these major sources. It's important to not just get your news from the same source all the time. It's pretty amazing sometimes how the front pages of these different media sources seem to come from different worlds.

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Originally Posted by PrairieGuy
No one claimed the bomb story was fabricated. However, there are plenty of other examples of media lies or blatant omissions on record.

I didn't think you were saying the bomb story was fabricated. I know exactly what you mean - there are always lists of the most underreported stories in any given year.

I would also temper "lying" just a bit in some cases to "misleading beyond belief." So much of this is due to the fight for SEO and click bait headlines (another reason why social media has contributed perhaps more than anything else to tearing apart the fabric of society). You read some headline that seems beyond belief, and when you click on it...it is beyond belief.

It would be like Guitar Player running the headline "Craig Anderton Agrees the Guitar is Dead: Says 'No More Guitars for Me!'" and then you read the full quote..."After laying down a dozen overdubs on guitar, that's probably enough...at that point I say to myself, "no more guitars for me!"

That of course is a pretty harmless example. However, there are media outlets that bend reality so much to fit a narrative it might as well be lying. Remember, the definition of lying requires an "intent to deceive." If I say "I think it's going to rain tomorrow" and it doesn't, that doesn't mean I lied. So these buff dudes and hot babes who tell us the news need to know that they're actually trying to deceive us in order to be liars. I don't know if they're smart enough to know that, I think they just read what they're fed by people who may be trying to deceive us. Another possibility (and I think a strong one) is that they have sociopathic tendencies, so they truly believe what they say.

This DOES relate to the OP. The consequences of this pandemic are far worse than they should have been, and I hold social media primarily responsibility. Compare this to how the US handled smallpox and polio, and the only conclusion I can come to is that Devo was right...we have de-evolved.

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So as to Alex Jones, as many of you already know, I retired 10 years ago. I decided that I needed to keep up my exercise, by biking and walking. I stumbled upon an Alex Jones podcast, in the PLAY STORE ,and have been listening to him since then, during my bike rides and walks.

For the first 3 months ,that I discovered his podcast, I listened EVERY DAY. I found that a steady diet of his stuff WAS TOO NEGATIVE for daily listening but I continued to listen every 3 or 4 days mixing his stuff with other podcasts.

Yes his rant about aliens with David Ike may be too far out. Yes his theory about the 911 being an inside job is also way far out, but I remember him saying , in the fall of 2019, that they would "create" a crisis and "marshal law" would be declared in 2020. It sounded insane.........but....... Here we are. They haven't called it "marshal law" but some states have curfews and "lockdowns" (house arrest)

In my entire province of Ontario, Canada, only "essential" places like Walmart and Costco are allowed to have customers in the store.... today , almost 10 months after the "emergency"??

As to 5G being dangerous...2 facts

1) There will be many more transponders/microwave antennas and they will be closer together with 5G.
2) 5G is supposed to be starting around 4-5 times the frequency of 4G 20-25ghz and will eventually reach 200-300ghz which is very close to the frequency of INFRARED.

I hardly ever use my cell phone but my wife can't live without hers. That may also be a factor.


We can't believe everything that any single individual says but we should ,at least, be open minded to hear the alternate views .....at least for 5 minutes

Just remember "ONLY 2 WEEKS TO FLATTEN THE CURVE"

end of rant

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My opinion on Alex Jones is that even if only 2% of what he says is true, that's enough to be scary.

As to cell phones, I always use a hands-free wired earpiece. Logarithmic drop off is your friend :), I am not at all convinced that being bombarded with EMI is a good thing, I have enough of that in the studio.

The problem with Covid is that it is the "novel" corona virus, not the "been there, done that" one. No one got it right. Here it is almost a year later, and we're still learning new things about it on an almost daily basis.

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Originally Posted by techristian
As to 5G being dangerous...2 facts

1) There will be many more transponders/microwave antennas and they will be closer together with 5G.
2) 5G is supposed to be starting around 4-5 times the frequency of 4G 20-25ghz and will eventually reach 200-300ghz which is very close to the frequency of INFRARED.

You need to double check your "facts" as they have no impact in the real world.

So yes, while there would need to be an antenna in every hallway just at 30GHz, the signal simply dies out very quickly at that frequency. So roughly 300x the current number of transmitting antennas would be necessary to cover even the highest current cell phone frequency but more like 1000x more antennas would be necessary compared to what is needed for typical cell phone frequencies. so roughly a million times more antennas than the current 3-400,000 cell phone towers would be necessary to cover the country in 300GHz service. Doesn't sound like a money maker to me. Once you figure it out for a specific frequency it falls off at inverse square anyway so unless you stick a high power transmitter up to your skull for a long time you probably receive much more gamma radiation from an airplane flight. So not much problem here.

First 5G is simply a coding scheme not a radio transmission. Its radio transmission at ionizing frequencies that can be the real problem. Currently the "Start frequency" for 5G phone service is 617MHz and the highest possible licensed frequency is just south of 30GHz. 300GHz cell phone service would only be practical ifor very small spaces. It will never happen driving down the street so your phone would have to switch over to something much lower. It is highly doubtful that there could ever be service at anything near 200-300Ghz because the transmission your only be for a few feet. it wouldn't make it down from the top of a lampost to street level before dying out. RF power dies very quickly at high frequency. The difference between 30GHz and 300GHz would be a difference of an additional free space path loss of 30dB. That would put any usable signal way below the noise floor if you were transmitting more than a couple of feet.

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And let's also differentiate among observed phenomena, theories, and conspiracy theories.

Observed phenomena: At this point, I think there's no denying there are flying objects that aren't identified. The Navy thinks so, there's tons of video footage, pilots have seen them (and not been grounded for being hallucinatory), etc. Just because we have no idea what they are doesn't mean they aren't an observed phenomenon.

Theory: Some theories are they could be time travelers, aliens from another civilization, mass hallucinations, evidence of a parallel universe. etc. My theory is that earth is on the rural fringes of the Milky Way, and the last decent rest stop with plenty of water and extractable minerals from same, before heading off into interstellar space. In other words, we're like the Vince Lombardi service center on I-95 in New Jersey - sure, pick up some gas, but don't deal with the natives doing drugs in the bathrooms.

Conspiracy theory: The US government is collaborating with alien beings to exchange human organs for technology, in secret places that are surrounded by secrecy and deception.

Okay, now we're clear on that smile

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Here is a heavy one to swallow. I have been hearing about the mess with the money for the past 5 years.

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Catherine Austin Fitts (born 24 December 1950) is an American investment banker and former public official who served as managing director of Dillon, Read & Co. and as United States Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Housing during the Presidency of George H.W. Bush. She has widely written and commented on the subject of public spending and has alleged several large scale instances of government fraud.



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This is not a place for politics, especially when it's not on-topic. I respect Dave Bryce's wishes too, and agree there are other places people can discuss politics, but nowhere like MusicPlayer where they can discuss music. So, I'm locking the thread.

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