Bif_ Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I'm wondering what these two pieces of tech are going to do to the used keyboard market down the road. My Forte uses Flash RAM. I know the Kronos uses an SSD. These things fail after so many read/write cycles, correct? What happens on that fateful day? My trusty Motif ES has everything baked in. 17 years old and still a workhorse. Thoughts on the downside of SSD's and Flash RAM? Quote Kurzweil Forte, Yamaha Motif ES7, Muse Receptor 2 Pro Max, Neo Ventilator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael_I Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I don't think you need to worry about it. It is writes that wear the drives out, not reads. And they are all rated for much more use than they get. Additionally, the SSD in the Kronos can be swapped out easily. No downsides, only upsides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIDI2XS Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 [...]My trusty Motif ES has everything baked in. 17 years old and still a workhorse. [...] User Voice data, Performances, Patterns, Songs, Utility mode (System) settings are all stored in flash memory in your Motif ES. It seems it's been working for 17 years. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF6 and XS6, A3000V2, A4000, YS200 | Korg: T3EX, 05R/W | Fender Chroma Polaris | Roland U-220 | Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song80s Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Additionally, the SSD in the Kronos can be swapped out easily. No downsides, only upsides. actually, Kronos 1 , SSD upgrade is 'easier '. For Kronos 2, its a tighter process as internals are crowded. Quote Why fit in, when you were born to stand out ? My Soundcloud with many originals: [70's Songwriter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 The storage management on newer drives is much better at hot spot detection, moving where it write data to keep regions from being used too much. not overwriting deleted files until the space is needed and other techniques. It would be great if board makers using SSD's would put a compartment on the board so a backup drive could be easily inserted and add to system software ability to do a dd (Linux utility for a bit level copy) of the system drive. You'd would have a drive that is a mirror image of the original. The only issue with dd is it is very slow. Then a regular copy for backing up user data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I'd be more concerned about finding a replacement display if it was needed. Quote Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I'd be more concerned about finding a replacement display if it was needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfields Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 SSDs are usually designed to survive a number of writes that exceeds their expected use by a comfortable margin. If Korg's done their job right, other things will fail much earlier. But you should always backup anything that's important to you, just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bif_ Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 Additionally, the SSD in the Kronos can be swapped out easily. No downsides, only upsides. So you can pop a new SSD in the Kronos and turn it on and it will know what to do? Guess I thought the O.S. was on the SSD. Quote Kurzweil Forte, Yamaha Motif ES7, Muse Receptor 2 Pro Max, Neo Ventilator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bif_ Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 [...]My trusty Motif ES has everything baked in. 17 years old and still a workhorse. [...] User Voice data, Performances, Patterns, Songs, Utility mode (System) settings are all stored in flash memory in your Motif ES. It seems it's been working for 17 years. I had no idea that Flash memory was used in that manner on the Motif. Interesting. Quote Kurzweil Forte, Yamaha Motif ES7, Muse Receptor 2 Pro Max, Neo Ventilator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Additionally, the SSD in the Kronos can be swapped out easily. No downsides, only upsides. So you can pop a new SSD in the Kronos and turn it on and it will know what to do? Guess I thought the O.S. was on the SSD. OS is on the SSD. Kronos comes with restore DVDs. If you put a new SSD into a Kronos, you can connect a USB DVD drive and restore that way. (Though 10 years from now, a USB DVD drive may not be the easiest thing to find...) Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunaman Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Additionally, the SSD in the Kronos can be swapped out easily. No downsides, only upsides. actually, Kronos 1 , SSD upgrade is 'easier '. For Kronos 2, its a tighter process as internals are crowded. Not on the K2 73... I"ve done it twice and it is a piece of cake. Hardest part is taking out the screws on the bottom panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunaman Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 OS is on the SSD. Kronos comes with restore DVDs. If you put a new SSD into a Kronos, you can connect a USB DVD drive and restore that way. (Though 10 years from now, a USB DVD drive may not be the easiest thing to find...) It is also quite simple to clone the original SSD (to a much larger SSD even), as long as it is functional. Then the original drive can be stored away should it need to be employed again for cloning due to a drive failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 It is also quite simple to clone the original SSD (to a much larger SSD even), as long as it is functional. Then the original drive can be stored away should it need to be employed again for cloning due to a drive failure. Yes, failure will be easier to accomodate if you prepare for it! Also, I was thinking that even if you don't have a USB DVD drive around, you can probably use images via other media, so as long as any USB readable media is around, you should be able to restore. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bif_ Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 It is also quite simple to clone the original SSD (to a much larger SSD even), as long as it is functional. Then the original drive can be stored away should it need to be employed again for cloning due to a drive failure. I've used this approach with my Receptor 2. I cloned a drive a few years ago and picked up an SSD last year and cloned and installed that, so now I've actually got two backups. I know it's essentially frozen in time (I have no desire to add any software to it as it does more than I begin to use), but I rely mostly on it to run Ivory. The ironic part of owning the Receptor and something that others will certainly run into, is that I've got to keep an old laptop that hasn't been upgraded to Win10 as nothing new will interface with it. Quote Kurzweil Forte, Yamaha Motif ES7, Muse Receptor 2 Pro Max, Neo Ventilator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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