ChazKeys Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Behringer have posted a new teaser - guess the new product. Pretty much looks like a TVS - did they pick up the Oberheim name? https://www.facebook.com/behringer/photos/a.10152059078118914/10158899301338914/?type=3&theater Here's an overlay that shows how close the SEM layout is: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I´d like to see a new SEM,- even in eurorack format and together w/ the stepsequencer,- the "obie" ringmod and phaser in addition. When Tom Oberheim introduced the SEM-X some time ago, I hoped for it´ll see daylight,- but it didn´t. But I´d also wish UB came w/ the SEM module alone,- and sequencer w/ FX together in a separate unit,- allowing to buy several SEM but only 1 sequencer/FX module. A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazKeys Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 Well the Behringer modules are compatible with eurorack so this will give you 2 SEMS in a 80HP package I think. Even if the sound is close the form factor is much smaller so like the Model D the knobs are going to be small and very close together. Anyway, probably at least a year before it comes to market. They have only just started shipping the 2600. Still no sign of the RD-9 and the UBXa is probably another 6 months. Why don't they just announce the product when it's ready - Uli & co seem to spend too much time on social media. Meanwhile Dave Smith and his team quietly get on with developing new products and announcing them when they are ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazKeys Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 But I´d also wish UB came w/ the SEM module alone,- and sequencer w/ FX together in a separate unit,- allowing to buy several SEM but only 1 sequencer/FX module. A.C. It's all down to the form factor - they only have to design the top panel. All the module cases are ready to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I wonder if two of those could make a 4vs with it"s voice allocation scheme/macro control. If so, a huge miniaturization. Agree B has a lot of talk on social media! At some point, surely one of their cost accountants will calculate just how much they are cannibalizing themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 When Tom Obherheim released the new SEM's a few years ago they stayed on my wish list, never to be purchased because of price and the fact that I had purchased Eurorack modules that essentially created the same sound. Quote This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazKeys Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 I wonder if two of those could make a 4vs with it"s voice allocation scheme/macro control. If so, a huge miniaturization. Agree B has a lot of talk on social media! At some point, surely one of their cost accountants will calculate just how much they are cannibalizing themselves? The Behringer modules have a Poly chain mode - so 2 units would give you a 4 voice. But it would need additional note allocation routines to match the FVS. Might be easy for Behringer to add this functionality through SynthTool though. The Neutron app lets you split OSC1 and 2. So if they added this to the TVS system it's getting interesting. What I loved about the FVS was stacking the voices in unison using different pitches and envelope settings as well as the note allocation and splits that were possible. Re accountants: let's see how much a full size synth like the UBX retails for. Most of what they have released to date has been scaled down. Although the DeepMinds are full size and very good value for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Ummm - while I appreciate the fact that Behringer is bringing the authentic vintage sound to the masses (I have a Model D myself), the idea of them patenting the Oberheim name while Tom is still among us, and reproducing an instrument that he's been making until recently, I find disturbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I have a surreal image: someone of smaller finger size who can handle the more limited B'knob sizes, doing a Wakeman in a ring of all Behringers. That creeps me out in some odd way. If I figure it out, I promise not to post my revelations. Quote "I want to be an intellectual, but I don't have the brainpower. The absent-mindedness, I've got that licked." ~ John Cleese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Ummm - while I appreciate the fact that Behringer is bringing the authentic vintage sound to the masses (I have a Model D myself), the idea of them patenting the Oberheim name while Tom is still among us, and reproducing an instrument that he's been making until recently, I find disturbing. T.O. is old and I think that´s why the SEM-X and Oberheim Ringmod as also Phaser in eurorack format didn´t appear on the market. When these were announced, I waited ´til today to get a chance buying ´em, but it didn´t happen. I wanted the combo as partners for my vintage Minimoog D,- some nostalgic recreation of Jan Hammer´s synth- (and Rhodes-) rig in the past. Now, when I can get it from U.B., I´d be happy,- regardless of price. And have in mind, the "new" SEMs, still available from T.O., aren´t eurorack format. That said, normally, I´m not a eurorack guy at all,.- but especially for a complete SEM module and the step sequencer, I liked that format. Tom´s idea bringing Ringmod and Phasor in addition was brilliant and justified patchability (for my purposes),- even I didn´t want to dive into the patchcord synths in my life again. A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Ummm - while I appreciate the fact that Behringer is bringing the authentic vintage sound to the masses (I have a Model D myself), the idea of them patenting the Oberheim name while Tom is still among us, and reproducing an instrument that he's been making until recently, I find disturbing. Moralization ...? In today´s biz,- that´s kind of loanword, isn´t it? You know very well how you´re treated as a musician in today´s world when offering your services. That was VERY different decades ago. The same happens when you´re a hardware manufacturer or run whatever biz in MI.. In fact, the question is: "is it legal or is it not". And don´t forget,- Tom Oberheim didn´t realize his SEM-Plus and SEM-X eurorack projects at all ! So, that´s where the niche is ! And, who knows ? Maybe, they already have an agreement. I don´t see, Tom cannot sell his "new" SEM modules anymore. These are different form factor,- carry his brand name and are still on offer. And, there´s always the difference of legal protection of registered designs and/or a real patent. A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Al - I've read all your points and I think it's useless to argue about them one by one, since we simply have different views. I'll only say that I totally stand by my opinion. I'm usually the one who defends Behringer in this kind of discussion (which pops out frequently), but this just doesn't feel right to me. Legality is a different matter altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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