llatham2020 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 In the chorus, there's more going on than what most people play. It's basically Am7 and D7 (or the recording might be a half step higher) and sounds like maybe G-C moving to F#-C on "2 and" but it seems like it's changing subtly each time. Has anyone figure it all out? The ending kind of does something similar and it's easier to hear. The "tag" on each line in the chorus seems to be A-D - G-C - E - A-D - F#-C - again with the F# in there for the D7 chord. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Skunk on the congas! You got different players playing different inversions, who knows what the hell the chords are intended to be?[video:youtube] Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzikTeechur Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 I think that's the very first 70's variety show performance I've ever seen that was actually live. Most of them are laughably lip-syncing - guitars not plugged into anything, strings on the recording but nowhere in sight on the stage, etc. That band can really groove, and Linda had the pipes. Long before auto-tune and "backing tracks." Quote Muzikteechur is Lonnie, in Kittery, Maine. HS music teacher: Concert Band, Marching Band, Jazz Band, Chorus, Music Theory, AP Music Theory, History of Rock, Musical Theatre, Piano, Guitar, Drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadslayer Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Skunk on the congas! Things that make you go hmm... Quote Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dongna Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Andrew Gold on guitar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 I just saw Linda Ronstadt on an interview, she has parkinsons. How sad. She sad she doesn't really have the will to sing anymore. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 In the chorus, there's more going on than what most people play. It's basically Am7 and D7 (or the recording might be a half step higher) and sounds like maybe G-C moving to F#-C on "2 and" but it seems like it's changing subtly each time. Has anyone figure it all out? Yes. I play it in one of my bands. We absolutely love to play it - one of our faves. It has a bunch of parts - EP and strings are the two I try to cover, but the split I have set up lets me play that awesome opening guitar lick in the middle break using a chorused electric guitar patch so the guitar player can do the follow up lick. You are indeed a half step too low - Bbm7 to Eb. It's got a much cooler mood in that key. I'll try to describe what I play on the chorus - sounds like you're pretty much hearing it already. I hold the Bb in the bass and right thumb and alternate the Eb G (right pinky, middle finger) and Db F (second, fourth finger) then change to an Eb bass but play the same eighth-note pattern with the right. On the outro we essentially play Bbm9, Db, Ebm, then Ab2 to Eb (2nd inversion) on the turnaround. If you listen to the eightnote guitar arpeggios (first one is Bb F Ab Eb, second is Db F Ab Db), you can get them - I pick that part up with the chorused guitar patch. The right hand Eb Bbm pattern from the chorus works it's way in there as well, as does a nice string line. We jam on the outro for a while - it's a killer groove. Hope that makes sense. dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miden Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 ....... but the split I have set up lets me play that awesome opening guitar lick in the middle break using a chorused electric guitar patch so the guitar player can do the follow up lick...... dB Dave, re this ^ - audiences (or indeed other band members) don't think this is too , hmmm, "out of place" for want of a better term? A keys player playing guitar sounds? I try doing that here and all I get is weird looks and not so positive reactions haha! Be great to have audiences and fellow musos who can accept it...especially as I really like doing guitar parts Quote There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Lobo Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Here's the original recording by Dee Dee Warwick, 1963, written by Clint Ballard, Jr. with production by Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller. [video:youtube] Quote These are only my opinions, not supported by any actual knowledge, experience, or expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Interesting. The bass plays a dominant turnaround. Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Lobo Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 There was also a version by Betty Everett that charted in 1963. Quote These are only my opinions, not supported by any actual knowledge, experience, or expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 ....... but the split I have set up lets me play that awesome opening guitar lick in the middle break using a chorused electric guitar patch so the guitar player can do the follow up lick...... dB Dave, re this ^ - audiences (or indeed other band members) don't think this is too , hmmm, "out of place" for want of a better term? A keys player playing guitar sounds? I try doing that here and all I get is weird looks and not so positive reactions haha! Be great to have audiences and fellow musos who can accept it...especially as I really like doing guitar parts I actually do it a bunch, and it usually goes over pretty well. We even call it out and warn people in advance on some tunes: "Y'know, there are few things more musically dangerous than a keyboard player with a guitar patch...." The key is the right sound and a believable performance. I voice the parts the same as I would if I were playing them on guitar, and I do kind of stack my hands over each other so I can effectively strum sometimes. My two other faves are covering the acoustic guitar part in Long Train Rinnin' and the backup guitar in Long Cool Woman. I also have a killer 12 string electric patch I use for Ticket to Ride. Mind you, I'm capable of playing these parts on guitar - I actually think it's fun and unusual to do them on keys. dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Interesting. The bass plays a dominant turnaround. Right...? I dig it! I hadn't heard that version before...very cool. dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 covering the acoustic guitar part in Long Train Rinnin'Do you mean the strumming part, or the syncopated melodic line ( E F#-G e d B G..)? I've yet to find a keyboard patch that can do justice to the former. Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llatham2020 Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 ....... but the split I have set up lets me play that awesome opening guitar lick in the middle break using a chorused electric guitar patch so the guitar player can do the follow up lick...... dB Dave, re this ^ - audiences (or indeed other band members) don't think this is too , hmmm, "out of place" for want of a better term? A keys player playing guitar sounds? I try doing that here and all I get is weird looks and not so positive reactions haha! Be great to have audiences and fellow musos who can accept it...especially as I really like doing guitar parts I play guitar so I actually have to keep the guitar on the whole song to play that one line! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 covering the acoustic guitar part in Long Train Rinnin'Do you mean the strumming part, or the syncopated melodic line ( E F#-G e d B G..)? I've yet to find a keyboard patch that can do justice to the former. Nor I. I do the latter part with a Kurz acoustic guitar patch. dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llatham2020 Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 In the chorus, there's more going on than what most people play. It's basically Am7 and D7 (or the recording might be a half step higher) and sounds like maybe G-C moving to F#-C on "2 and" but it seems like it's changing subtly each time. Has anyone figure it all out? Yes. I play it in one of my bands. We absolutely love to play it - one of our faves. It has a bunch of parts - EP and strings are the two I try to cover, but the split I have set up lets me play that awesome opening guitar lick in the middle break using a chorused electric guitar patch so the guitar player can do the follow up lick. You are indeed a half step too low - Bbm7 to Eb. It's got a much cooler mood in that key. I'll try to describe what I play on the chorus - sounds like you're pretty much hearing it already. I hold the Bb in the bass and right thumb and alternate the Eb G (right pinky, middle finger) and Db F (second, fourth finger) then change to an Eb bass but play the same eighth-note pattern with the right. On the outro we essentially play Bbm9, Db, Ebm, then Ab2 to Eb (2nd inversion) on the turnaround. If you listen to the eightnote guitar arpeggios (first one is Bb F Ab Eb, second is Db F Ab Db), you can get them - I pick that part up with the chorused guitar patch. The right hand Eb Bbm pattern from the chorus works it's way in there as well, as does a nice string line. We jam on the outro for a while - it's a killer groove. Hope that makes sense. dB Thanks. You can see my other response - I actually play guitar on that low line part! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Do you sing as well? If so, props...I"m not sure if I wanna deal with all those keyboard parts and singing with a guitar around my neck for one line... The electric guitar sound I have on the Forte is actually quite good. dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miden Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 ....... but the split I have set up lets me play that awesome opening guitar lick in the middle break using a chorused electric guitar patch so the guitar player can do the follow up lick...... dB Dave, re this ^ - audiences (or indeed other band members) don't think this is too , hmmm, "out of place" for want of a better term? A keys player playing guitar sounds? I try doing that here and all I get is weird looks and not so positive reactions haha! Be great to have audiences and fellow musos who can accept it...especially as I really like doing guitar parts I actually do it a bunch, and it usually goes over pretty well. We even call it out and warn people in advance on some tunes: "Y'know, there are few things more musically dangerous than a keyboard player with a guitar patch...." The key is the right sound and a believable performance. I voice the parts the same as I would if I were playing them on guitar, and I do kind of stack my hands over each other so I can effectively strum sometimes. My two other faves are covering the acoustic guitar part in Long Train Rinnin' and the backup guitar in Long Cool Woman. I also have a killer 12 string electric patch I use for Ticket to Ride. Mind you, I'm capable of playing these parts on guitar - I actually think it's fun and unusual to do them on keys. dB Ok thanks - I might have to "borrow" that line Quote There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Didnt some rock band cover that around 1978? It sounded a little different though. No keyboards. Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Verelst Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I'm sure Linda was aware of major blues elements in this rendering she did, so what's a blue note in Bb, come on guys, these songs boogie! Beginning with all major chords Bb Ab Eb isn't a bad starting point either, but getti g that whole sound of the production to proprrly reflect the accurately bent notes is not trivial, if you've got a decent piano sound to work with, it's an interesting song challenge, maybthe right chords shouldn 't just be given to anybody. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llatham2020 Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 Do you sing as well? If so, props...I"m not sure if I wanna deal with all those keyboard parts and singing with a guitar around my neck for one line... The electric guitar sound I have on the Forte is actually quite good. dB No, thankfully in this band I don't have to sing. I had kind of hoped to only do keys but then I got roped in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonizer Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Linda's lead vocal performance was wonderful, and I really liked how the band played behind her. The only thing that was not great was the backup vocal arrangement. The backup singers seemed quite capable, but there is a killer 3-part vocal that can be sung on the chorus, but it wasn't attempted in the performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miden Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Linda's lead vocal performance was wonderful, and I really liked how the band played behind her............ One of the best this woman for sure! Did you ever hear her collab album with Nelson Riddle? Quote There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esfusion Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Way back I played Wurly in a band with a great chick singer and a musically-challenged bass player with a two-string home made bass. She always introduced You're No Good with "This song is dedicated to our bass player, Lloyd." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonizer Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Way back I played Wurly in a band with a great chick singer and a musically-challenged bass player with a two-string home made bass. She always introduced You're No Good with "This song is dedicated to our bass player, Lloyd." We covered this song for many years. Once a band member introduced it by saying "here's a song my ex-wife wrote about me". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonizer Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 .... Did you ever hear her collab album with Nelson Riddle? I did hear that, and in fact my dad bought the LPs (I think there were 2?). My dad probably did this because he liked Sinatra's work with Nelson Riddle. Linda was totally up to the task on those Nelson Riddle collaborations, and those arrangements really highlighted her vocal tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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