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Went past an appliance store yesterday with a sign that said "Our vacuums suck worse than 2020."

 

We've had fires, floods, hurricanes, and tornadoes, which of course happen but this year, they seem unusually severe. On top of that we have the virus that won't go away and has left almost a million people dead worldwide, and 200,000 in the US (whether you believe those figures are correct or not, they still translate to "a helluva lot of dead people"), economic turmoil, a nasty election, no idea whether the info we're being fed from various sources is accurate or not, and as if that wasn't enough, the new season of "The Mandalorian" won't start until October 30.

 

The reason why I mention "disaster fatigue" is that if you look at the damage hurricane Sally did, in normal times we'd be seeing notices of hurricane relief efforts, where to contribute, etc. I'm not seeing those...maybe it's too soon and they'll show up in a day or two, or maybe it's just "one more thing," and we've had enough "things" already.

 

I'm not trying to be a downer, I don't think I'm saying anything you don't know. The question is what's the best way to deal with it?

 

The "head in the sand" approach, where you just shut off the news and go on with your life for as long as nothing impacts you directly?

The "activism" approach, where you sign up for things that may mitigate some of the issues?

The "think globally, act locally" approach where you'll help out with issues in your community (like a natural disaster), but wish "good luck" to everyone else?

The "denial" approach, where you convince yourself these things aren't really happening, or at least not as they're represented?

The "pointing fingers" approach, where you comfort yourself by saying it's all the fault of those [fill in the blank] so you don't have to take responsibility for why things are messed up?

 

Anyone got answers? The best answer I've come up with is doing music, getting exercise, and keeping clients happy to maintain some degree of cash flow. Not sure what else I can do.

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first of all, I recognize how sturdy, resilient, and adaptable our great grand parents/grand parents where

during the 1918 influenza pandemic and World war 1

 

finding a silver lining may have originated during those nearly impossible times.

 

IMO, thats where the lessons are.

 

call it an attitude reset.

 

with that, I can hunker down for + 1 year, adapt, enjoy life and the time.

 

I am confident that many of the problems we see can be solved.

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I've been pretty OK until recently.

 

While we are certainly not in the worst of it, the fires up and down the West Coast have caused a convergence of smoke here and it is not safe to go outside until further notice.

The air is truly foul. I do have a cartridge respirator, it has proven effective both for removing some of the particulate matter but also seems to frighten other humans so I have a wide swath for a "comfort zone."

 

It does not alleviate the discomfort the air causes the eyes, nor does it alleviate the gloomy bleakness of our days.

 

My exercise walks have come to an end, it's rather warm inside to exercise and the air is not as fresh or robust so I've ignored my Schwinn Aerodyne.

 

I think a lack of exercise will cause distress, we need those endorphins to flow!!!! Ugh...

 

For all that, I know that many have it much worse than I do. I hope for better days for everyone!

It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is.
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We do have a lot of disasters these days, some of which, thank goodness, are still "natural," but many are of our own making, either as a result of industry, business, and economy. All of them, with equal opportunity, are over-amplified by the news media and that's what I find to be overloading. The stories get bogged down in details that don't have any meaning to someone a thousand miles away.

 

I don't watch TV news. I listen to NPR Morning Edition and APM Marketplace, and read the Washington Post. My newspaper reads are getting quicker these days because of my inclination to skip over the 6 paragraphs about the family (safe and elsewhere) of someone evacuated from a fire area. Though to be fair, I'd probably read a few paragraphs about how the fire-fighting techniques work.

 

And how many times must we hear that we'll have a Covid-19 vaccination in a few months and that we won't. There's only so much spin you can put on it, so I avoid it.

 

Absorb as much as keeps your interest, play some music, take a walk, have a nice dinner with a glass of wine, and get a good night's sleep.

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Are you kidding? I've had disaster fatigue since I was 5. The U.S. in particular is a giant adrenaline junkie. Over-amping is the order of the day. Every match is a wildfire, every wildfire is a nuke and then there are the real wildfires. A girl on "The Walking Dead" says "I'm bored." Carol says "You feel safe enough to be bored? You're lucky." I gave up TWD because misery porn has become so common, its like living in an anime epic. By tale's end, everyone has lost an eye, a limb, a loved one, a pet or an entire city. NO one lives happily ever after!

 

Part of my fatigue resides in having to hunker down for how it will be within the next year, as the setbacks march on, the flu season appears and the idea of a serious vaccine still hovers over things until spring. You can't rush that as if you were pirating Baby Yodas with a 3D printer.

 

Mr. Bryce's great band offering is one good way to resist. (Cheap Trick was the thinking man's Ramones! HA!) I'm tweaking the more glaring D-50-isms out of the soft-D-50 I bought, which is leading to a nice folder full of uber-pads. My sister gave me a nice Christopher Parkening CD, which reminds me to be humble about playing Strum. :P I'm also reading 6 kinds of books 'at once,' which has taken on a new, surreal aspect, with so much of the world holding a destruction derby. One more gold star: new synth porn ahoy, as we all drool over Arturia's PolyBrute. :cheers::snax:

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Some friends and I responded to the pandemic by starting a recording project band called Jamie Rubin & the 2020 Hurts. :D

 

Our first tune.

 

Tom Petersson from Cheap Trick is playing bass with us. That's kinda cool. :thu:

 

dB

 

Thanks for that, Sir Dave! A great way to spend time, creating. Tom Petersson? The ONLY bassist with a 12 string signature model bass and he plays the hell out of it. I've seen Cheap Trick 4 times, always a great show. Surrender is one of the greatest rock songs ever written.

 

While I only posted above about a relatively brief and recent disaster fatigue, I have been fairly happy most of the summer. There have been quite a few small outdoor parties with close and careful friends, live music and incredible food. I've spent considerable time improving my home studio and have a few more projects in mind. Recording is MUCH easier in terms of what needs done to get started, all of my improvements are based on saving time as an Engineer to make life better for the Artist (usually, both me!).

 

I've finished quite a few guitar projects that were sitting around. Some have happy new owners elsewhere and a few stay here. I've always thought of studios in terms of what fun stuff can you use to play music.

 

I've been selling all sorts of bits and dabs that I'd stashed away and now realize I do not need or want. I'll be listing quite an assortment tonight and tomorrow, make it go away!!!! That feels good.

 

As Sir Emm points out, life is a nightmare. It is also a glorious and never ending battle against truth, justice and the Murikan Way!!! :laugh:

 

I found MPN this summer, I've met lots of cool people and learned all sorts of interesting things.

 

Last but not least, I went to a meeting with our Association property manager and she offered me a part time job, which is perfect since gigs are pretty much gone for now.

There is much to keep busy and stay happy, but Craig's question seemed this morning to be about how grouchy I was, and I was. So it goes.

It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is.
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I usually help others during disasters, but being unemployed since March 17, and what looks like a long dry spell ahead of me, I need to control my own disaster before sending money to others.

 

I also donate blood after disasters, as I know my type is one of the better donor types, but I'm not going anywhere where I don't have to because of the risk of COVID. I know what happened to 3 family members and that is nothing I want to get.

 

My first responsibility is to keep my wife safe, and that also means keeping myself safe. It means being frugal so that I can take care of her and it means being healthy so I don't give her COVID.

 

I don't watch TV, haven't for over 30 years so the hype doesn't get me. I read news from NPR, The Atlantic, The Hill, NY times, WaPo, BBC, Al Jazeera, our local paper and a few others and I avoid FOX, MSNBC or anything more extreme than those as I know there are more lies than truth in those publications.

 

I am tired of disasters, I'm tired of isolating, I'm tired of not gigging, I'm tired of not going out to dinner, I'm tired of not being able to take a late summer vacation, but I'm not tired of being not-dead.

 

We were planning to go to Madagascar this fall, but that's postponed until whenever it's safe again.

 

On the other hand, I'm lucky. I chose my house and it's location carefully. I live in a sparsely populated area on a half acre full of trees. I'm on a dead-end street, in the Florida Alps (32' above sea level), and with good neighbors I can depend on.

 

My wife and I get along so well 24/7/365 isn't enough time together. The mortgage is paid, we have no debt so we can hold out for a long time until the gigs come back. And when this is over, I think the gigs will come back. Music is a good stress releaser.

 

So we take it day by day. I just sequenced a backing track for The Cars "You Might Think" and I'll work on the live parts tomorrow. I left room for about 24 bars of wind synth solo. We learned "Tennessee Whiskey" last week and added an Etta James verse from "I'd Rather Go Blind" plus a sax solo. I'm writing styles for Band-in-a-Box, and Leilani is working on fake disks for Band-in-a-Box, so we haven't the time to be bored.

 

Having something productive to do is essential in taking the fatigue out of the disasters. Luckily the only ones we have are unemployment and potential COVID. We're luckier than most.

 

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I've been surprisingly productive since March, and I use that word because I thought the pandemic would have the opposite effect. Instead, the lockdown removed a lot of the distractions I can mistake for things that need doing when in fact I'm procrastinating the actual things that need doing.

 

But yes, the sheer incessant back-to-backness of disasters and bad news has me in a constant state of low-level depression. It's manageable and I have great support tools and people locally, but it's there nonetheless.

 

I think I really need to get off my ass when it comes to creating more of my own music. I'd give anything to even play a cover band gig right now, but in the meantime, I have this roomful of synths. I'm lucky that my partner, who lives with me, is a total music nerd and a gifted conductor and soprano, so it's something we can do together.

 

Outside of that it's been exercise and mindfulness work. It sounds "woo" but I can't say enough about the impact of taking breaks to pay attention to one's breath throughout the day. It's not something anyone can do constantly (maybe some Tibetan monks can) but even little three-minute sessions go a long way. Staying hydrated has been hugely important to my mood, too.

 

I am quite grateful to be in Vermont currently, where we are neither underwater nor on fire and the cooties count is the lowest in the nation. I really do miss my L.A. area music peeps, though, and were it not for the pandemic would have been out there two or three times this year already (e.g. Synthplex).

 

To pick up on one of Craig's original questions, I do put some time into getting food to those in need through connecting farmers with food banks and sometimes directly with families. That helps my own state of mind tremendously.

 

About all I got right now but great topic. This has been on my mind quite a bit of late.

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Digital Piano Consultant, Piano Buyer Magazine

 

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I was getting fatigued and bored about 2 months ago (around June), stretches of lethargy. But my brain did a complete 180 and just started ignoring the junk that was cluttering my brain. I went from drifting in the doldrums, to racing down the freeway a little past the speed limit.

 

First - for some reason, I started watching a lot of audio engineering Youtube channels (Dave Rat, Anderton etc.), interspersed with Astronomy and Physics channels. That's what sent me down the path of setting up a soldering station and doing custom wiring and audio cables in my house.

 

Now I'm building up my garage workshop, with a couple of woodworking projects. Just bought a table saw and a router. Gonna build me a couple of work and house tables out of wood and a custom keyboard stand using T-Slot Aluminum (Wow! Legos for adults!!!!).

 

Oh and in between all that, I ordered an Arduino Start Kit and started wiring the electronics for a keyboard MIDI Controller. (WTF?!?). And my brain's been grokking all of it like a sponge. The last thing on my mind this morning was how to build a template/jig to quickly cut piano keys from a block of wood.

 

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** on a side note: what do you think about piano keys made of aluminum? or half-aluminum on the bottom with the wood on top (maybe that should be it's own post).

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After spending days running a chainsaw to clear out tree limbs and continuing work to pack things up and move them into storage it's fair to say I have disaster fatigue in a very literal sense. I'd never heard of a Derecho until the day I was standing there looking at the attic through what used to be a ceiling.
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I'm finding it harder to get started on things that I've put off for too long already. I have a couple of articles on the brain that I keep trying to get the first couple of paragraphs written so I'll know what I'm going to write about. After that I'm usually in the groove, but I just can't seem to set the needle down and get past the lead-in.

 

And closer to the intended subject: I listen to NPR programs a lot, and they interview a lot of people for their articles. With all the unpleasant and sad things going on these days, it's difficult to ignore or downplay these issues, but in more and more of these interviews, it seems that the interviewee at some point breaks into tears. I'm getting really tired of hearing sobbing on the radio. I don't expect them to be upbeat about losing their home, a family member, or a close friend, but, call me an unsympathetic hardass, but I can be sympathetic without the prompt of tears.

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There's also this "sword of Damocles" effect where uncertainty adds to current anxieties. There may be another spike (it's already happening in many places, especially Europe). There may be a second wave, exacerbated by the standard flu. There may be a full-fledged depression because it won't be possible to stimulate the economy artificially forever. Life may not return to normal, whatever that is, until late next year. The election may run into logistical issues that will tear people even further apart. And no matter where your politics lean, there will be uncertainty about what happens after the next election.

 

But here's the good news.

 

Being self-employed, my entire life has been built around uncertainty. And if there's one thing I've learned, it's that seismic shifts present opportunities that would never have existed otherwise.

 

It all started with the recessionary times of the 70s, when people were hurting economically. So I wrote "Electronic Projects for Musicians," and that's when my post-gigging/studio/touring career took off. Then synthesizers came out and knocked guitars off their throne for a while - and it opened up a new career oriented around MIDI and synth programming. Traditional studios started dying, but then there were new opportunities in home recording. Hal Leonard didn't get any traction with my Musician's Guide to Home Recording book series, and although I basically lost a year of my life from writing 8 books that went nowhere, it encouraged me to self-publish...which has been immensely more successful.

 

Now, I still haven't figured out how to get royalties from my music :) But it hardly matters. My music is basically just an ad that says "whether you like the music or not, you gotta admit I know what I'm doing, so read my articles, buy my books, check out my products, etc." Doing music is also the same as doing R&D for my gig.

 

Life comes in waves, and if you catch the wave and ride it, you'll get a decent ride before you have to start looking for the next wave.

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I think that response is likely about as it has been, both from Federal/State and from others (like Red Cross, faith-based groups), but; the extreme focus form most of the media on tearing down the "other side" has resulted in less publicity for other things.

Two years ago, almost to the day, Eastern NC got hit by a very similar event, hurricane that lingered for days, put down as much as three feet of rain in places only a few miles from me. The very first real help was from groups like the NC Baptist Men, who maintain disaster relief vehicles, cooking vehicles, and a pretty good base of volunteers (sorry, I'm not one of them. My COPD makes it way too hazardous to go into such areas, and my construction ability is pathetic; but I can and do contribute financially). Another faith-based group with mostly ex-military folk came here and spent months repairing homes. Shucks, the Baptists were still in the area working in Pamlico county, which got hit severely seven years ago. One construction guy spent almost a year sleeping inside our church building and working on homes, and he was under way to Louisiana almost before the storm left (he lives about 80 miles from here, if he ever gets home).

 

One conclusion that I made: It is NEVER a good thing when Jim Cantore visits your town (unless he goes on vacations, IDK).

 

I'm sure that the lockdowns (NC is still in a so-called "Phase 2.5" which only started a couple of weeks ago; our schools in this county are still on-line ony at this moment, with huge problems for parents without good Internet, or with no Internet, which includes a LOT of parents), the number of people without work, the general fear that the anarchists, looters, and rioters will show up in our neck of the woods (knowing local game hunters like I do, I don't think they will be here long) have had their effects.

 

My own physical condition has deteriorated some. Normally, my wife and I walk in the neighborhood during temperate seasons, and go to the Y and walk on their indoor track in heat and cold times; but the Y has ben closed, we have had an exceedingly large number of rainy/muggy/hot days (although none of the three has been as bad as some summers, the effect of that type weather since March AND being cooped up hasn't made it easy or possible a good bit of the time to walk. Our other form of physical exercise is Ballroom Dancing, and the local studio has been forced closed for almost six months. Couple of weeks ago, gyms and dance studios were given permission to re-open with considerable limitations on number of people. Still haven't heard from them, pretty sure any of the full-time instructors have had to leave NC or find some other occupation to make ends meet.

 

Personally, my faith keeps me from any real mental depression; but there was a substantial time of just not getting much done in a day because it didn't seem to matter (no, it didn't interfere with my occupation, my firm was classed as "essential" as long as we were servicing "essential businesses," and truthfully, I will NOT make home calls nor even business calls unless I have reason to believe that those to whom I will be exposed are doing their best to avoid close contact with others. I did legitimately receive a bit of money from the EIDL program for my self-employment business (and have spent almost all of it being careful to spend only on appropriate bills), but my overall revenue has been just about the same as the previous year (really glad that the real estate market is doing well, that helps me too).

 

In many ways, we are reaping what has been sown. Those western states in flames have refused for decades to use proper forest management, like NC does. We do have some forest fires each year, but controlled burning over the decades has eliminated a lot of them (even though the particulates make outdoors difficult for folk like me). Unfortunately, as has been true through history as far as I can see, in many cases, those folk who had no part in the sowing of a particular matter wind up reaping what others have sowed.

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Am I getting disaster fatigue?

 

Yes.

 

And the disasters are not just the floods and fires and so forth. It's the continual bad news, not being able to teach the way I want to teach, and much more.

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I've been considering going on a news diet and finally took the first steps towards that this week by unsubscribing from The Daily email from NYT, notifications from their app, and the Apple News daily email. One thing those were doing was giving me a distraction most mornings and I allowed that to cut into other things I "should" be doing like practicing. I mean, I run or walk every day as well as do yoga, and between that, the news, and cleaning up, I'd often not get going until 11. Geez. I've also been finding myself having some low-level depression.

 

My belief is that I can still know what's going on without spending so much time on it. I was talking with my wife about it at lunch yesterday. We had out first lunch out in townâit was only around 80°, the patio at this restaurant was empty, and a nice breeze was blowing. We have been pretty lucky. She still has her job, we haven't lost anyone we know from the virus, all the other disasters haven't affected us, so we're pretty grateful. We need to focus on that. I know I do.

"I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck

 

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I've been considering going on a news diet and finally took the first steps towards that this week by unsubscribing from The Daily email from NYT, notifications from their app, and the Apple News daily email.

 

Pretty much everything on my phone has notifications disabled, except for weather and Instagram...and the only reason for enabling Instagram is because it's really taken off, and I want to make sure I reply to any questions. Disabling notifications makes the battery last longer, too :)

 

I don't subscribe to any newspapers with a paywall. I check headlines periodically to make sure we haven't invaded Canada or something, but that's about it. Besides, the picture you get of the world is so incomplete. I didn't realize that there had been a series of pretty intense riots across Russia when Navalny was poisoned, nor did I see anything in the "news." The only reason I knew about it is because my daughter speaks Russian, and she was reading info from Russian sites.

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Also...remember that the purpose of "news" is NOT to inform you. It's to get you to click, so the organizations can see what you click on, and build a better profile of who you are for when they pitch products at you.
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After spending days running a chainsaw to clear out tree limbs and continuing work to pack things up and move them into storage it's fair to say I have disaster fatigue in a very literal sense. I'd never heard of a Derecho until the day I was standing there looking at the attic through what used to be a ceiling.

 

I find that by and large, people often worry about the wrong things. I have a friend who's a bit of a worrywart...and similarly to your Derecho experience, one day his house got hit by lightning, and it took out his bedroom roof. I can guarantee that of all the things he worried about, having his house hit by lightning was not one of them!

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Also...remember that the purpose of "news" is NOT to inform you. It's to get you to click, so the organizations can see what you click on, and build a better profile of who you are for when they pitch products at you.

I see it like the music business vs. musicians. One is in it to sell you more, the other wants to do a good job and hopes you want what they're producing. Sometimes it's a nice balance, sometimes it pushes the wrong way. But it's the only system we've got.

"I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck

 

"The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI

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My mother has died, my dog died, I lost half of my business, where my wife works there is a continual list of people who have been infected, and get guitar lesson inquiries asking "are you teaching in person or only online?" and then getting quips about being a "lib" or worse for being "afraid of nothing".

 

It seems like weeks have been flying by. The day is staring at a little 2009 Macbook screen doing guitar lessons, inevitably asking people "can you tilt your camera down?" as everyone seemingly manages to position their guitar necks *just* below the viewable area, tap dancing between FaceTime, Skype, Zoom.

 

At first working from home was different, and if a guitar lesson canceled I could go to the kitchen and get more green tea, or go outside for a moment. But now it seems the little square screen (gah, I've got to upgrade... ahrgh) has the feeling of "life is in that little square screen for most of the day".

 

*A lack of 3 dimensional, multi-axis interaction*.

 

There is something about interaction being reduced to a flat, 2d plane, with rather poor and latency ridden audio that I think is altering my perception of time. I'm sleeping even less than normal, and I no longer seem to be able to tell what time it is during the day, when once I could do it almost to the minute upon waking up.

 

I'm anxious to get to Vaccine Time, and it's like I've turned off the "living" part of my brain waiting for this to be over.

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Luckily, I've always been a loner, so this doesn't hit me as hard as people who are social creatures. I've been interacting with people mostly online for several decades, so at least for me, it's a step up to be able to see them, and not deal with a text-only medium. I will say the quality of online interactions is lacking, what with latency, video issues, etc...it keeps reminding you that you're in an artificial environment.

 

I mentioned Midiable in another thread, where someone across the world can play my MIDI sound generator in almost real time. The first time I used Midiable, it was a shock to have an online experience with the same sound quality as what I heard in my studio...baby steps.

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Disaster Fatigue, absolutely. The working from home part has been manageable -- I'm lucky with how supportive and reasonable my place of employment and my team there has been, and it's been a --if I can use the word -- convenient time for my wife and I to have bought a home and be settling in. I miss playing with my bands a lot, but I've had lots of music projects to work on, and lots of things to write about, of course, since I've never shied away from writing political music.

 

But I feel like over the past few years, the visible horrors and deliberate cruelty nationally and globally have just been piling on, and piling on, and getting more aggressive, more callous, more vicious, and the entry of the virus into our sphere just took it to a whole new level of awful. Part of me is incredulous, and part of me is completely unsurprised by the way things are going -- things are presented differently, but nothing that's happening is new, just shocking. It's a very, very unsettling time. I'm sure the 60s were too, and the 80s, and every decade for the last 300 or 400 years if you're, for example, an Indigenous person. I'm trying to live my life to the best of my ability and use what powers I have for good, but it is exhausting, and it's terrifying.

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