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New virtual Jupiter-8 from Roland (Zenology expansion)


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https://www.roland.com/us/products/rc_jupiter-8_model_expansion/

 

I know that you have to subscribe to Zenology to use such a thing on a computer, but can someone enlighten me on how it works with ZEN-Core hardware such as the Fantom or Jupiter-X?

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I still find all the roland could stuff a bit baffling. But the Jupiter-X already includes Jupiter 8 emulation, so it's presumably not an issue there. I don't know whether it can be loaded into the Fantom... my guess is no, but I"m not sure.

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it depends which plug-ins you care about

 

https://www.rolandcloud.com/roland-account/memberships/

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Not long after I was grousing about subscriptions, the D-50 finally appeared as a free-standing plug-in. Yes, I knew what I was getting into with an 80s icon, but its already a nice WIN. The layering aspects are especially pleasing beyond what I remembered from my Bronze Age experience. Just a bit can greatly broaden other synths. I have a fistful of random-patch-generator fare on top of some 3rd party buys, so its a self-contained bit of fun. This worked well, so I can cautiously recommend the Jupiter-8 in the same form. Give Arturia's version a look as well, just to compare. It has its own pluses.

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https://www.roland.com/us/products/rc_jupiter-8_model_expansion/

 

I know that you have to subscribe to Zenology to use such a thing on a computer, but can someone enlighten me on how it works with ZEN-Core hardware such as the Fantom or Jupiter-X?

 

Pardon my diverted ramble over the D-50, but here is a pretty definitive chart for you. The RD-88 thread has more on it, but it seems that you can drop a Zen-core PATCH into any compatible instrument, minus the hardware controls. If you build a JP-8 patch you like in Zenology, its transferable.

 

https://www.roland.com/us/support/by_product/rc_sdz001_crystal_mood/support_documents/319ed642-8e1d-4b0b-a6ec-5d730f30cd8d/

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here is a pretty definitive chart for you. The RD-88 thread has more on it, but it seems that you can drop a Zen-core PATCH into any compatible instrument, minus the hardware controls. If you build a JP-8 patch you like in Zenology, its transferable.

 

https://www.roland.com/us/support/by_product/rc_sdz001_crystal_mood/support_documents/319ed642-8e1d-4b0b-a6ec-5d730f30cd8d/

I see they have updated that link, but I don't think it says what you think it does.

 

It does confirm my initial post... the Jupiter 8 expansion doesn't apply to the Jupiter X because it's already built into that model; and it is not available on the Fantom (or RD88). But contrary to your post, I see no reason to believe you can load a JP-8 patch into a board that does not have the JP-8 model expansion in it.

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I haven't had a chance to compare it yet to the non-Zen version (or to Arturia's).

 

NI have a sort-of clone as well, called Super 8, but it's kind of a hybrid synth, emulating a Prophet as well as digital stuff.

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here is a pretty definitive chart for you. The RD-88 thread has more on it, but it seems that you can drop a Zen-core PATCH into any compatible instrument, minus the hardware controls. If you build a JP-8 patch you like in Zenology, its transferable.

 

https://www.roland.com/us/support/by_product/rc_sdz001_crystal_mood/support_documents/319ed642-8e1d-4b0b-a6ec-5d730f30cd8d/

I see they have updated that link, but I don't think it says what you think it does.

 

It does confirm my initial post... the Jupiter 8 expansion doesn't apply to the Jupiter X because it's already built into that model; and it is not available on the Fantom (or RD88). But contrary to your post, I see no reason to believe you can load a JP-8 patch into a board that does not have the JP-8 model expansion in it.

 

Oh, I hear you, no free lunch and all that. I wrote to a Sweetwater rep about this and he said "As I understand it, you can create a sound within Zenology and then drop it into any Zen-core instrument." That sounds like JP-8 sounds without the JP-8 expansion proper. Zenology patches can (seemingly) be fed to any empowered instrument.

 

However, I'll talk to the rep by phone and confirm. I don't wish to misinform, nor labor under an illusion. I hope I'm correct, because it'd be a savvy way to sell more users on the Roland Cloud. Its not as if the RD is lacking much without it, TBH.

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Oh, I hear you, no free lunch and all that. I wrote to a Sweetwater rep about this and he said "As I understand it, you can create a sound within Zenology and then drop it into any Zen-core instrument." That sounds like JP-8 sounds without the JP-8 expansion proper. Zenology patches can (seemingly) be fed to any empowered instrument.

 

However, I'll talk to the rep by phone and confirm. I don't wish to misinform, nor labor under an illusion. I hope I'm correct, because it'd be a savvy way to sell more users on the Roland Cloud. Its not as if the RD is lacking much without it, TBH.

I suspect you can transfer any sound from one zen-core model to another if they are straight zen-core engine sounds, but if a sound required an optional engine to create (e.g. JP8), it probably requires the presence of that engine to load the patch.

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