analogika Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Sorry to the Behringer-haters, but this is probably the single Behringer synth product that is truly relevant to my personal interests, and I figured I"m probably not alone. They"ve floated renderings and ideas in the past, but as of their Facebook announcement today, they"ve officially begun development. Quote "The Angels of Libra are in the European vanguard of the [retro soul] movement" (Bill Buckley, Soul and Jazz and Funk) The Drawbars | off jazz organ trio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 This one interests me, as does the OB-xa and the Prophet 800 clones. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveCoscia Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Behringer keeps buzz going. Quote Steve Coscia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzzz Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 So we will see this when? Before the UB-Xa? Before the next millennium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Music Bird Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Just can"t wait. Always liked budget stuff, and Behringer fits that role perfectly! Quote Yamaha MX49, Casio SK1/WK-7600, Korg Minilogue, Alesis SR-16, Casio CT-X3000, FL Studio, many VSTs, percussion, woodwinds, strings, and sound effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bg Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Wake me if it has P-AT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real MC Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Another "tease"... yawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song80s Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 I much prefer the communication as Behringer proceeds. The Big dogs wouldn't dare say anything like this. It doesn't bother me that a co like Behringer might take a year to finish a new product. Or whatever timeline. Quote Why fit in, when you were born to stand out ? My Soundcloud with many originals: [70's Songwriter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogika Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Wake me if it has P-AT. They"ve already stated that they have working poly aftertouch. Quote "The Angels of Libra are in the European vanguard of the [retro soul] movement" (Bill Buckley, Soul and Jazz and Funk) The Drawbars | off jazz organ trio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Looking like a voice card. I"d also like to see more about this proprietary poly AT keyboard they are building for it. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconoclast Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 P-AT and the touch strip! That is enough for me to get excited. Quote You want me to start this song too slow or too fast? Forte7, Nord Stage 3, XK3c, OB-6, Arturia Collection, Mainstage, MotionSound KBR3D. A bunch of MusicMan Guitars, Line6 stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mike Metlay Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 To have the proper UI experience, you need poly aftertouch, a ribbon controller with the right response curve, and the front row of short-throw "paddles" for fast and smooth parameter shifts. They have claimed the first two of those, and it will be interesting to see what they do about the third. As it is, my interest in a CS-80 clone has pretty much dropped to zero since I got the Hydrasynth, but that's just me. Quote Dr. Mike Metlay (PhD in nuclear physics, golly gosh) Musician, Author, Editor, Educator, Impresario, Online Radio Guy, Cut-Rate Polymath, and Kindly Pedant Editor-in-Chief, Bjooks ~ Author of SYNTH GEMS 1 clicky!: more about me ~ my radio station (and my fam) ~ my local tribe ~ my day job ~ my book ~ my music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 The CS-80 was so pricey, there are so few people who have actually ever played one. Even now, I think I saw one the other day for $34k. Personally, I only know about it from watching every Vangelis video I could find. It looks like a lot of fun mainly because of that user interface and the after touch is part of that. Any Behringer variation on it has to capture that feeling if not a faithful copy. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I got to play the real thing twice at some length, so its just as well that I'm not in the market for a clone. My standards are too high. Only the Prophet T-8 and Digital Keyboards Synergy offered a similar touch-to-sound experience, but they still weren't CS-80s. For full realism, it'll also need a 200 pound wooden frame. I'll only believe it if Eddie Jobson says it makes the grade. Quote "Why can't they just make up something of their own?" ~ The great Richard Matheson, on the movie remakes of his book, "I Am Legend" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Let me know when they clone a Steinway model D. ð Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzzz Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Let me know when they clone a Steinway model D. ð Steinway Model D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenner13 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Boy, wouldn't it be great if it had a poly-touch ribbon across 76 keys of poly-AT and 2000 user presets managed by a key-word menu with a super quick favorites section , wicked TC Electronics 6-part effects section, and a deep 16-line mod matrix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuelBLupowitz Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Boy, wouldn't it be great if it had a poly-touch ribbon across 76 keys of poly-AT and 2000 user presets managed by a key-word menu with a super quick favorites section , wicked TC Electronics 6-part effects section, and a deep 16-line mod matrix?If it will brew my coffee while I play, I'll add it to my Sweetwater wishlist! Quote Samuel B. Lupowitz Musician. Songwriter. Food Enthusiast. Bad Pun Aficionado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wd8dky Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 But how good will the internal speakers be, and how long will it run on a fresh set of AA's? Quote http://www.weisersound.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 [video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyFF Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 So what is the turnaround from start to finish for other Behringer synths? I'll bet even B can't do a 61 note poly AT, ribbon, paddles, sound engine, fx, etc., for less than $2,000. Quote Numa Piano X73 /// Kawai ES920 /// Casio CT-X5000 /// Yamaha EW425 Yamaha Melodica and Alto Recorder QSC K8.2 // JBL Eon One Compact // Soundcore Motion Boom Plus Win10 laptop i7 8GB // iPad Pro 9.7" 32GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogika Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 The Behringer post on poly-aftertouch: Quote "The Angels of Libra are in the European vanguard of the [retro soul] movement" (Bill Buckley, Soul and Jazz and Funk) The Drawbars | off jazz organ trio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Hmm, will they put it in the OB, Prophet 800? If they scale up production of the action - maybe it will bring cost of adding it to the CS down. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSynth Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 To have the proper UI experience, you need poly aftertouch, a ribbon controller with the right response curve, and the front row of short-throw "paddles" for fast and smooth parameter shifts. They have claimed the first two of those, and it will be interesting to see what they do about the third. As it is, my interest in a CS-80 clone has pretty much dropped to zero since I got the Hydrasynth, but that's just me. Mike, You're so on point re: the overall UI. IMHO it's the performance/playability aspects of the CS80 that sets it apart (still even today) -- from the feel of the keybed and aftertouch response, the abilility to flick the rocker 'paddles' and move multiple sliders one-handed simultaneously on the fly, to the 'gold standard' ribbon controller implementation. You can recreate the 'sound' of a CS a dozen or more ways today, but you have to create something that 'plays' like a CS80 keybaord & front panel. If the Hydrasynth had sliders & rockers for the Macros instead of rotary encoders and push switches it would be real close ! Manny Quote People assume timbre is a strict progression of input to harmonics, but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timbrally-wimbrally... stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Verelst Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 When Behringer goes "row row row that boat" I can't help feeling a little sad it isn't one of the original manufacturers doing a cheap remake with well chosen degree of circuit integrations and modern tech. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogika Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 I concur â except for Korg. I suppose Roland and Yamaha are just too big and involved in their digital platforms to bother with the comparatively minuscule market of analogue classics? Quote "The Angels of Libra are in the European vanguard of the [retro soul] movement" (Bill Buckley, Soul and Jazz and Funk) The Drawbars | off jazz organ trio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael_I Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 So what is the turnaround from start to finish for other Behringer synths? I'll bet even B can't do a 61 note poly AT, ribbon, paddles, sound engine, fx, etc., for less than $2,000. I'm sure they can. Ashun Sound Machines sells the Hydrasynth for barely more than half that figure. I'd be certain that Behringer has some of the lowest manufacturing costs in the industry - less than ASM for sure. I don't think any of the new PolyAT keyboards are built like the CS-80. Newer materials, newer sensors, different designs. They are all building them for mass manufacture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzpiano88 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 When Behringer goes "row row row that boat" I can't help feeling a little sad it isn't one of the original manufacturers doing a cheap remake with well chosen degree of circuit integrations and modern tech. T Yamaha has at least been considering it. It"s over a year old so they may have dropped the idea. http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2019/04/30/yamaha-considering-making-a-modern-cs-80-synthesizer/ Quote J a z z P i a n o 8 8 -- Yamaha C7D Montage M8x | CP300 | CP4 | SK1-73 | OB6 | Seven K8.2 | 3300 | CPSv.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I'd be certain that Behringer has some of the lowest manufacturing costs in the industry - less than ASM for sure. I'm not so sure Behringer's costs are lower. I believe ASM has some affiliation with Medeli, another low cost manufacturer. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyscrapersax Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 I'd be certain that Behringer has some of the lowest manufacturing costs in the industry - less than ASM for sure. I'm not so sure Behringer's costs are lower. I believe ASM has some affiliation with Medeli, another low cost manufacturer. Sorry to hijack your post, Another Scott, but since I know you have a Numa C2x, can you please tell me if "Numa" shows up as an audio interface in a DAW, Kontakt, Pianotec, etc? On mine, it doesn't. Another poster said to utilize ASIO4ALL (which I hate). I have been emailing with Gianni at Studiologic, he said it should show up. Thanks, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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