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Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3050146 06/21/20 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam CA
Originally Posted by Marzzz
If you are considering the VPC-1, you absolutely owe it to yourself to try the MP11SE first. I had a chance to compare them directly, and thought the VPC-1 was sluggish and a bit stiff in comparison. I would really like to see the MP11SE action in a "VPC-2"

I was just looking at it the other day. Apparently it has a whole different keybed with longer keys if I remember correctly. Reviews are confusing as always. Some say the VPC-1 is more piano like, and some say the MP11SE is heavier. I could've checked them both at NAMM 2020, but at the time I wasn't interested. It'd be nice to test both for my own curiosity, but I'm really after a controller than a synth or stage piano. I already have Kronos 2 to satisfy that category.

I've played both side by side at Pierre's in a quiet environment and yes the MP11SE is better if you are looking for something to closer emulate an acoustic grand for practice or performance. While I found the VPC-1 sluggish for piano as well, at least triggering the Ravenscroft piano, it would probably be optimal for playing orchestral or synth sounds. Provided you were more a pianist and liked the weighted action for that particular function.

Plus Sam already just bought a Kawai smaller grand if I remember correctly. Yes go with the VPC-1. Fwiw, I highly prefer the MP11SE to the Kronos for attempting to emulate an acoustic piano.

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Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3050274 06/22/20 12:15 AM
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Hi Sam,

If you can afford the higher price, get the MP11se. I own an MP11 and I was in similar shoes five years ago. For me, the ability to quickly fire up the instrument and get sounds is invaluable. The onboard sounds aren't going to rival a sample library (except the extraordinary Tine Electric Piano 1), but they are still quite good. There are many times I just want to play in a pinch and firing up my computer, loading Cubase etc., takes up to ten minutes. You also get pitch/mod wheels, four assignable knobs, a simple onboard sequencer/recorder, and of course the triple pedal assembly.

I don't gig (thus I don't have to worry about weight/portability), but the MP11 is the Swiss watch of actions. Yes, it's going to run you about three-large with a high-quality stand, but for me, it took away any instrument excuses. If a part or performance isn't right, it's not the instrument. It's me...

Best of luck with your decision.

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Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3050674 06/24/20 02:26 AM
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Thank you Todd, Dave and Dave Ferris,

I thought about the MP11 for a couple of days, as it's certainly within my budget. Eventually I had to remind myself that I've only used Kronos as a sound module or a controller for the most part. Buying another workstation doesn't really make sense for me, as I know I'm not going to be using it in that capacity. Since I have the Kronos for instant satisfaction type of experience, a midi controller would be the right choice.

@Dave Ferris,
Yes, I have that Kawai 6' GL-40 in my home studio.That's another reason why I don't need an additional workstation.

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Sam CA #3050685 06/24/20 03:26 AM
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I'm kinda thinking about the VPC, too. Actually, a VPC2 would be great. Throw in a mod wheel & expression pedal jack, & I'd be really good to go.
As far as the MP11, I wouldn't think of it as a workstation... to me it's more like a VPC with internal sounds.
I have an MP7SE, and I'm happy with it.

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Originally Posted by skipeb3
I'm kinda thinking about the VPC, too. Actually, a VPC2 would be great. Throw in a mod wheel & expression pedal jack, & I'd be really good to go.
As far as the MP11, I wouldn't think of it as a workstation... to me it's more like a VPC with internal sounds.
I have an MP7SE, and I'm happy with it.

Right. It's pretty much a stage piano. If I were a giggin? musician, I would totally consider a keyboard with internal sounds. I did exactly that with a Triton Studio for a few years. It was a little heavy, but very convenient for stage performance.

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Originally Posted by Sundown
There are many times I just want to play in a pinch and firing up my computer, loading Cubase etc., takes up to ten minutes.
Todd

If I may be so blunt it doesn't have to be this way. In my case 2 button pushes, one for powering up hardware keyboards, synths and effects and one for the amp equipment with 20 seconds in between to allow my Andromeda to fully boot up. Oh and a Ctrl U to wake up my USB devices in Reaper. Less than a minute each morning, that's it.

Just saying it's not necessarily a factor in buying a controller vice a board with internal sounds.

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Markyboard #3050870 06/25/20 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Markyboard
If I may be so blunt it doesn't have to be this way.

That's fair. That situation may be unique to me and the way I work.

I still think it's worth having the extra controllers, the slightly better action, and that lovely Tine Piano 1 Rhodes sound.

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Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Kurt W #3051928 06/30/20 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurt W
Check that the software you are planning to control handles the triple sensor midi-implementation of the VPC1.

Note that the VPC1 has a "2-sensor mode" option in the rare event that your software doesn't play nice with 3-sensor actions.
As noted in the software update changelog:

Originally Posted by VPC Software Update changelog
Added: 2-sensor mode, for improved compatibility with software that does not support 3-sensor keyboard events fully.

To enable 2-sensor mode (while the VPC1 is turned on):
1. Press and hold the power button.
2. Press the bottommost (bass end) black key (A#0).
The 2-sensor mode setting will be applied to all memories globally, and will remain active even after the VPC1 is turned off.
To restore 3-sensor mode, repeat the steps above.

The VPC1's triple-sensor keyboard action has been developed to recreate the expressive touch of a concert grand piano. However, some virtual instrument hosts and sequencing software may not interpret these triple-sensor key events correctly, potentially resulting in prematurely cut or unintentionally repeated notes, especially when playing non-piano sounds. The 2-sensor mode provides a work-around for such symptoms, albeit at the expense of reduced expression and keyboard responsiveness.

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Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3051988 07/01/20 12:13 PM
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I've had the VPC-1 for a couple of years...
At first I thought the action was too heavy (and sluggish) but have finally warmed up to it now.
I use it to trigger my NE3...which feels better than the software pianos I tried.
When/if you get your chops together on this one, you can play anything smile


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Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
analogholic #3051990 07/01/20 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by analogholic
I've had the VPC-1 for a couple of years...
At first I thought the action was too heavy (and sluggish) but have finally warmed up to it now.
I use it to trigger my NE3...which feels better than the software pianos I tried.
When/if you get your chops together on this one, you can play anything smile

Does the NE3 handle the triple sensor midi information from the VPC-1? The Nord Stage 3 does not so I am just curious.

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