Music Player Network
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
#3049401 06/17/20 07:56 PM
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
S
Sam CA Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
S
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
I'm seriously thinking about getting one. There's a ton of positive feedback on it online. PianomanChuck shows how quiet the keys are, which is a big plus. I can't stand that klunk klunk klunk sound of most controllers. There are some older threads here too, but people change their mind after using an instrument for a longer period of time. Be nice to hear all of your good and bad experiences/feedback. Thanks!

KC Island
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049403 06/17/20 08:08 PM
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 9,809
Likes: 74
MPN Advisory Board
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MPN Advisory Board
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 9,809
Likes: 74
I played one a week and a half ago at Little Grey studio in Springfield, VA. Can't beat the action for piano. Actually, I was playing Wurli on V TINES, but it felt really good. Volume was being controlled via a Yamaha FC7 pedal. Vibrato depth (and anything else for that matter) had to be adjusted on the computer.


A reason why I collect old keyboards is that I feel partly responsible for doing it, responsible for preserving history and being a custodian for these things
Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
1 member likes this: Sam CA
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049404 06/17/20 08:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 8,169
Likes: 47
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 8,169
Likes: 47
Excellent piano action. I believe it is what Nord stuck in the Nord Grand. A good friend of mine picked it up for his wife, it’s in the house, works great with the software piano libraries and some of them have actually done dynamic curve settings specifically for it.


Live: Casio PX-560, Roland VR-700
Home: Rebuilt 1910 Chickering 5'2", Fender Rhodes MKI 88k, Yamaha S90ES
1 member likes this: Sam CA
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049405 06/17/20 08:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,229
Likes: 10
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,229
Likes: 10
I have had one for quite a while now. Very happy with it.

1 member likes this: Sam CA
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049420 06/17/20 08:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 299
Likes: 3
K
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
K
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 299
Likes: 3
Check that the software you are planning to control handles the triple sensor midi-implementation of the VPC1. I hoped to use a Kawai MP11 to control a Nord Stage 3 Compact but found that Nord did not react on retriggering via the middle sensor. Just a tip.

2 members like this: Sam CA, CraigT
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049421 06/17/20 08:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,542
Likes: 19
M
MPN Advisory Board
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MPN Advisory Board
MP Hall of Fame Member
M
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,542
Likes: 19
At 30kg's it would need to be solid wink


The trouble with doing the job correctly first time, is no-one will ever know just how difficult it was.
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
davedoerfler #3049422 06/17/20 09:02 PM
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 6,962
Likes: 87
MPN Advisory Board
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MPN Advisory Board
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 6,962
Likes: 87
Originally Posted by davedoerfler
I played one a week and a half ago at Little Grey studio in Springfield, VA. Can't beat the action for piano. Actually, I was playing Wurli on V TINES, but it felt really good. Volume was being controlled via a Yamaha FC7 pedal. Vibrato depth (and anything else for that matter) had to be adjusted on the computer.

It’s my “time out” board for when I want to get socially distant with all the other tech. It’s positioned where I can’t reach the pc mouse, knobs, sliders or do anything else other than play. I do have 2 FC-7 pedals under it; 1 for volume (thus far) and 1 for whatever other parameter I choose to preset it up for in the VST. Both pedals are connected through my MOTU interface. The VPC-1 can only accommodate the 3 pedal set that comes with it- no other external CV inputs.

For piano type sounds I love it. Some people here find the action too heavy but I think it’s all what you’re used to.

1 member likes this: Sam CA
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049482 06/18/20 02:45 AM
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
S
Sam CA Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
S
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
It sounds more and more like a perfect piano controller for me. I love heavy action keys! I usually buy my gears from Sweetwater. I don't remember ever paying for shipping with them, but looks like there is a shipping fee for this item. I gotta get a stand (piano chair height) too.

What do you think of this stand for this controller?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/OmegaStd--k-and-m-omega-table-style-keyboard-stand-black

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049496 06/18/20 03:57 AM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,229
Likes: 10
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,229
Likes: 10
I use this Profile stand. Heavy and sturdy. Not expensive either. My vpc is also in the bottom of it's flight case. Profile Keyboard Stands KDS450MA

Attached Files
61Y7NiUB1nL._AC_SL1105_.jpg (52.78 KB, 388 downloads)
1 member likes this: Sam CA
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049501 06/18/20 04:25 AM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 526
Likes: 8
F
Gold Member
Offline
Gold Member
F
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 526
Likes: 8
Now for that VPC-2 ...

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
ElmerJFudd #3049519 06/18/20 06:59 AM
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 6,500
Likes: 33
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 6,500
Likes: 33
Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
Excellent piano action. I believe it is what Nord stuck in the Nord Grand. .

Wasn't that the MP7SE action ? Just repeating what I thought I read on PW.

Totally fwiw, a recent exchange between me and EssBrace on PW talking about the Kawai and Yamaha P-515.

Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
Originally Posted by EssBrace
I've owned both P515 and VPC1 (I sold the VPC1 today actually).I would say the VPC1 has the superior action. .

I've played the Kawai two years in a row at NAMM and once at Pierre's store. On all occasions it was hooked up to the Ravenscroft piano and going through the Focal monitors. I also listened with phones. The same set up you see video demos at NAMM on youtube.

The player connection as a Jazz player simply wasn't there at all for me. I recall fumbling through Dolphin Dance and going...man I sound pretty cr*ppy on this thing. I feel like I'm plodding through sand trying to run.

The times I've played the P-515 , yeah it's still a digital, and it is what it is, but my playing is more free flowing. Even though, no, it doesn't resemble an acoustic in the least.

Maybe with a different piano I'd have a better experience with the Kawai. Just trying to give it the benefit of the doubt. But generally and historically speaking, my experience with midi has not been a good one.

Originally Posted by EssBrace
And frankly fiddling around with a computer when I just wanted to play just p*ssed me off!

I know loads of people are happy with a great keyboard+software (and for this purpose the VPC1 is pretty much perfect). But the software route is not for me. I can't believe I'm the only one either.

yeah, it's not at all for me.

Based on my perhaps limited experience with the VPC-1, it wasn't for me.

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Dave Ferris #3049527 06/18/20 10:44 AM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 81
E
EVC Online Content
Senior Member
Online Content
Senior Member
E
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 81
Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
Wasn't that the MP7SE action ? Just repeating what I thought I read on PW.

From the top of my head, yes, RH-III (used on MP7SE and ES8 among others) with modifications (it seems they removed the escapement simulation notch - there may be others).

VPC-1 uses the RM3II, according to this kawai page

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Michael Wright #3049634 06/19/20 12:53 AM
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
S
Sam CA Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
S
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
Originally Posted by Michael Wright
I use this Profile stand. Heavy and sturdy. Not expensive either. My vpc is also in the bottom of it's flight case. Profile Keyboard Stands KDS450MA

Thanks Michael. Yes, that's the type of stand I'm thinking about.

1 member likes this: Michael Wright
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049638 06/19/20 01:05 AM
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
S
Sam CA Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
S
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
I found out one of my friends who is a B R I L L I A N T pianist uses the VPC 1. This is what he had to say:

"This is one of the greatest controllers I've ever had. The only minor issue that it has is the fact that keys don't bounce back to the original position fast enough. It only becomes noticeable when you do real fast repeated notes. Other than that I can't think of anything else. "

1 member likes this: Michael Wright
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049641 06/19/20 01:10 AM
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 9,809
Likes: 74
MPN Advisory Board
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MPN Advisory Board
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 9,809
Likes: 74
well then, looks like a go. thu


A reason why I collect old keyboards is that I feel partly responsible for doing it, responsible for preserving history and being a custodian for these things
Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
1 member likes this: Sam CA
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049666 06/19/20 04:23 AM
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 2
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 2
I've had a VPC-1 for a while. It was kinda disappointing. All that expectation. Sat down. Started playing. Felt like a piano smile Reliable, quiet, heavy. It's just me and my technique again... The right pedal is a little creaky. For most of my playing that doesn't need half pedaling, I have the middle pedal assigned as a sustain pedal 'cause it's quieter. I did put lithium grease inside the pedal unit.

Regarding noise, truth to be told, I did mod a yamaha GHS to be a quiet keyboard. Put strips of contact felt where the yamaha strip was, which worked quite well. But then I was going to try to sell it, so I got a yamaha felt strip, and then it was noisy again...

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049714 06/19/20 03:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 20
J
Member
Offline
Member
J
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 20
I'm thinking of getting one of these, but the near 2 grand price tag kind of hurts... What would the next step down be? I'm thinking the Studiologic SL88 Grand is next in line as far as controllers go.

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049756 06/19/20 05:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,017
Likes: 3
Platinum Member
Offline
Platinum Member
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,017
Likes: 3
I've heard only goof things about the vpc-1 but the quality come at the
cost of gigable weight, which keeps it at home for the shleping player.


Triton Extreme 76, Kawai ES3, GEM-RPX, HX3/Drawbar control, MSI Z97
MPower/4790K, Lynx Aurora 8/MADI/AES16e, OP-X PRO, Ptec, Komplete.
Ashley MX-206. future MOTU M64 RME Digiface Dante for Mon./net
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Throbert #3049779 06/19/20 06:10 PM
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
S
Sam CA Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
S
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
Originally Posted by Throbert
I've heard only goof things about the vpc-1 but the quality come at the
cost of gigable weight, which keeps it at home for the shleping player.

What's a shleping player?

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3049780 06/19/20 06:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,229
Likes: 10
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,229
Likes: 10
Originally Posted by Sam CA
Originally Posted by Throbert
I've heard only goof things about the vpc-1 but the quality come at the
cost of gigable weight, which keeps it at home for the shleping player.

What's a shleping player?
roll

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Kurt W #3049971 06/20/20 03:12 PM
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 186
C
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
C
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 186
Originally Posted by Kurt W
Check that the software you are planning to control handles the triple sensor midi-implementation of the VPC1. I hoped to use a Kawai MP11 to control a Nord Stage 3 Compact but found that Nord did not react on retriggering via the middle sensor. Just a tip.

I’ve heard this before but am not sure of the implications. Does this mean the Compact will respond as if it were a 2 sensor controller? Does it effect playability greatly? I feel controllers like the VPC1 and SL88 Grand are the only good options for the Compact because they have customizable velocity maps.

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Kurt W #3050038 06/20/20 07:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 470
Likes: 1
D
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
D
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 470
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by Kurt W
Check that the software you are planning to control handles the triple sensor midi-implementation of the VPC1. I hoped to use a Kawai MP11 to control a Nord Stage 3 Compact but found that Nord did not react on retriggering via the middle sensor. Just a tip.
Something about this doesn't seem kosher to me. Maybe it's my ignorance, in which case I hope someone here will be able to enlighten me.

Doesn't MIDI transmit just simple "note on" and "note off" messages? If that's the case, then wouldn't the onus be on the controller to transmit the MIDI note on via the middle sensor?

Maybe this is a parameter setting within the VPC1?

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3050045 06/20/20 07:20 PM
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 17,137
Likes: 37
MPN Advisory Board
10k Club
Offline
MPN Advisory Board
10k Club
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 17,137
Likes: 37
MIDI doesn't know about triple sensors. Check what the middle sensor sends on a retrigger - if it's a note on, any sound source should respond correctly.


Moe
---
"I keep wanting to like it's sound, but every demo seems to demonstrate that it has the earth-shaking punch and peerless sonics of the Roland Gaia. " - Tusker

http://www.hotrodmotm.com
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3050075 06/20/20 09:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,017
Likes: 3
Platinum Member
Offline
Platinum Member
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,017
Likes: 3
Originally Posted by Sam CA
Originally Posted by Throbert
I've heard only goof things about the vpc-1 but the quality come at the
cost of gigable weight, which keeps it at home for the shleping player.

What's a shleping player?
Do you want to lift that thing out/in your ride, up/down stairs on/off your stand?


Triton Extreme 76, Kawai ES3, GEM-RPX, HX3/Drawbar control, MSI Z97
MPower/4790K, Lynx Aurora 8/MADI/AES16e, OP-X PRO, Ptec, Komplete.
Ashley MX-206. future MOTU M64 RME Digiface Dante for Mon./net
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Throbert #3050088 06/20/20 10:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
S
Sam CA Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
S
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
Originally Posted by Throbert
Do you want to lift that thing out/in your ride, up/down stairs on/off your stand?



I'm a home player. My instruments barely leave my home studio. I do have light-weight keyboards for rare occasions. So does that make me a "shleping player"?

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3050092 06/20/20 10:54 PM
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 6,962
Likes: 87
MPN Advisory Board
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MPN Advisory Board
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 6,962
Likes: 87
Originally Posted by Sam CA
I'm a home player. My instruments barely leave my home studio. I do have light-weight keyboards for rare occasions. So does that make me a "shleping player"?

Only if you catch Schleprocy.

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3050102 06/20/20 11:55 PM
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,858
Likes: 15
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,858
Likes: 15
If you are considering the VPC-1, you absolutely owe it to yourself to try the MP11SE first. I had a chance to compare them directly, and thought the VPC-1 was sluggish and a bit stiff in comparison. I would really like to see the MP11SE action in a "VPC-2"

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3050108 06/21/20 12:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,017
Likes: 3
Platinum Member
Offline
Platinum Member
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,017
Likes: 3
Originally Posted by Sam CA
Originally Posted by Throbert
Do you want to lift that thing out/in your ride, up/down stairs on/off your stand?



I'm a home player. My instruments barely leave my home studio. I do have light-weight keyboards for rare occasions. So does that make me a "shleping player"?
If you haul and move your gear from where ever to the gig and back or where ever
else then yes you are. If you made enough to afford roadies then you're one of the few.


Triton Extreme 76, Kawai ES3, GEM-RPX, HX3/Drawbar control, MSI Z97
MPower/4790K, Lynx Aurora 8/MADI/AES16e, OP-X PRO, Ptec, Komplete.
Ashley MX-206. future MOTU M64 RME Digiface Dante for Mon./net
Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Marzzz #3050113 06/21/20 01:11 AM
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
S
Sam CA Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
S
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 452
Likes: 7
Originally Posted by Marzzz
If you are considering the VPC-1, you absolutely owe it to yourself to try the MP11SE first. I had a chance to compare them directly, and thought the VPC-1 was sluggish and a bit stiff in comparison. I would really like to see the MP11SE action in a "VPC-2"

I was just looking at it the other day. Apparently it has a whole different keybed with longer keys if I remember correctly. Reviews are confusing as always. Some say the VPC-1 is more piano like, and some say the MP11SE is heavier. I could've checked them both at NAMM 2020, but at the time I wasn't interested. It'd be nice to test both for my own curiosity, but I'm really after a controller than a synth or stage piano. I already have Kronos 2 to satisfy that category.

Re: Thinking about getting the VPC1 Piano action controller
Sam CA #3050129 06/21/20 02:26 AM
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 9,809
Likes: 74
MPN Advisory Board
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MPN Advisory Board
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 9,809
Likes: 74
Originally Posted by Sam CA
Originally Posted by Marzzz
If you are considering the VPC-1, you absolutely owe it to yourself to try the MP11SE first. I had a chance to compare them directly, and thought the VPC-1 was sluggish and a bit stiff in comparison. I would really like to see the MP11SE action in a "VPC-2"

I was just looking at it the other day.

Like anything else, it might come down to budget. The MP11SE is $1000.00 more than the VPC-1.


A reason why I collect old keyboards is that I feel partly responsible for doing it, responsible for preserving history and being a custodian for these things
Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Dave Bryce, Stephen Fortner 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4