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Dammit. One is never enough, is it?
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I know for sure I'm nowhere near the first person to make this observation...but owning a single electric guitar - and I love my Tele to bits - just seems to feel incomplete somehow... 🤔

...so, this will be here soon. 🤗

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I thought long and hard about the Casino - especially because I'm playing a ton of Beatles music these days - but I think I'm saving my P90 experience for a Les Paul to be named at a future date, and I'm not sure I'm ready for the full on hollow body thing yet; plus, the 335 thing has always been holy to me. My buddy brought his over recently, and I near about lost my mind playing that bad boy. grin

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Are you kidding!!?? More like, "Twenty is never enough, is it?"


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Sitting at 30...


For now.


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One? You had ONE?

You're doing it wrong!!!!!! It will get lonely and cry itself to sleep! :- D

Great choice, the 335 style semi-hollow is truly one of the great guitars. Those Epiphones are nice guitars.

I've had a 1986 Gibson ES-335 Studio since 1988 or so.
I "modified" it massively. Some would say I boogered it but it's MY guitar so they can go kick cans or something.

Alll gold colored hardware instatlled. Sperzel locking tuners (will add days to your life not spent putting strings on!), super jumbo frets, custom plexi pickguard painted on the backside (Gretsch style), Schecter Tri-Lock bridge bolted to the guitar permanently, gold "bell" knobs, EMG HB (Steinberger bass pickup in the neck, 81 in the bridge, ONE volume knob, nearest the 3 way switch - the rest are dummies.

It screams, it sings, it cries and girls like it because it's pretty. Yes, there are more... you'll find out what is about to happen soon enough...
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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
One? You had ONE?

You're doing it wrong!!!!!! It will get lonely and cry itself to sleep! :- D
Remember, guys - I'm mainly a keyboard player. I'm down to something like 30 of those. Pics of a few of them attached. smile

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
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One? You had ONE?

You're doing it wrong!!!!!! It will get lonely and cry itself to sleep! :- D
Remember, guys - I'm mainly a keyboard player. I'm down to something like 30 of those. Pics of a few of them attached. smile

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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Lots of nice wall space to mount guitar hangers!!! :- D
idea roll 2thu

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Congrats on a sweet looking Epi Dave! Epi puts out the best guitars on the market for the price IMHO! They make it so you can afford to buy as many as you want! thu


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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
One? You had ONE?

You're doing it wrong!!!!!! It will get lonely and cry itself to sleep! :- D
Remember, guys - I'm mainly a keyboard player. I'm down to something like 30 of those. Pics of a few of them attached. smile

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*pfffft*

I’m primarily a singer! laugh


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Originally Posted by Dannyalcatraz
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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
One? You had ONE?

You're doing it wrong!!!!!! It will get lonely and cry itself to sleep! :- D
Remember, guys - I'm mainly a keyboard player. I'm down to something like 30 of those. Pics of a few of them attached. smile

dB
*pfffft*

I’m primarily a singer! laugh

Plus, one simply cannot do with just a couple of electric six string guitars. One needs a nice acoustic guitar too, and a 12 string, and a nylon string, and an ukulele, and a lap steel, and a bass guitar, and another bass guitar with no frets, and a 5 string banjo, and a fretless banjo, and a requinto. And stuff...
Plus amps, did I mention amps?


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I played a Gibson 335 sunburst in my favorite high school music store.
I've had one or two um..psychic experiences.
That is among the top.
Then I moved halfway across the country. I had to say goodbye to my friends.
I was heartbroken. Then slowly, I started to look around and realize, I was meeting some pretty cool people-
and playing some pretty cool instruments.
One of those cool people was Bob Cage. Sadly, he left us a couple years ago.
His great-grandparents started a music instrument company named after their child.
That is now the Epiphone company.
Bob had kind of a dark side musically, but he was a really fine player. Look him up on youtube.
I have never owned an Epiphone. But if I could try first, I'd definitely buy one.

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I bought a new vintage sunburst version last year from Guitar Center. Gotta great price on it too. I love playing it. Great tone.


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@Dave Bryce - I have an Epi DOT from the Samick factory in Korea - one of the nicest playing Guitars I've ever owned, and I'm a solid-body guy. That finish is really beautiful, as well. Enjoy!

FWIW, even as a Guitarist, I have more Synths than Guitars by around 3-to-1, but good used Synths are much less expensive than good used Guitars.

Edit: afterthought from looking at your KB photos. If that black bean-shaped POD is the one you were trying to access with the Express floorboard, sadly, it seems that's one model the Express doesn't want to work with.

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I prefer the Casino to the Dot, and almost bought one, but went with an Eastman equivalent instead. It's a very versatile guitar that works in many styles and genres, and can put on a lot of personalities and disguises. I'd recommend getting to know it really well, before deciding what your third guitar should be -- even though I already know you'll need a Strat, as nothing can quite "fake" it (even when Nile Rodgers tours with something else, such as a Les Paul, he doesn't quite get his own signature sound!).


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I have 3 guitars, and after owning and selling a large quiver over time, three is enough for me. All of mine are cheapies, & all play and sound great. I have had most of the iconic guitars in my quiver including about 5 Les Paul's or so, and Strats, Tele's, a Gibson 345. I am down to a few requirements 25-1/2 " scale, hum-bucking pickups either full sized or strat sized, two potentiometers 1 tone 1 volume, 24 or preferrably 24 frets and an accessible cutaway to get to those highest frets. strat or similar shape, Done, I need nothing else.


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I'm going to have to be satistied with what I have for now, my DP Strat and my Squier. I have no idea what the future holds, so no major purchases. We reopened the store Friday and have had 4 customers and no sales so it's cheaper to stay closed. 34% unemployment and zero tourists does not look good.


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Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
@Dave Bryce - I have an Epi DOT from the Samick factory in Korea - one of the nicest playing Guitars I've ever owned, and I'm a solid-body guy. That finish is really beautiful, as well. Enjoy!
Thank you, brother!

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Edit: afterthought from looking at your KB photos. If that black bean-shaped POD is the one you were trying to access with the Express floorboard, sadly, it seems that's one model the Express doesn't want to work with.
I know it now...but it does like my Spider III, so it'll stay there.

FBV3 showed up for the POD HD today. Muuuch happier now.

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Remember, guys - I'm mainly a keyboard player. I'm down to something like 30 of those.
I had no idea you played guitar! Also coming over from keyboard world, I currently have exactly one guitar- a Kiesel Osiris O6X HSS (headless). But I did recently sell off a couple of guitars, so now I am eyeing a Tom Anderson Classic, cause, you know, sometimes you have to...

and btw, that Casino is gorgeous!

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One guitar is like one beer.

It is not a correct concept...


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I now see that I failed to include a baritone, a Nashville tuned guitar and a 5 string tuned like Keef.

Plus a cigar box and maybe one these here shovel guitar thingies... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9-ltPsbw9g


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I have to say, that Epiphone Casino is a really nice looking guitar. Now it's got me thinking about getting one sometime this year.


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Originally Posted by Sharkman
I have to say, that Epiphone Casino is a really nice looking guitar. Now it's got me thinking about getting one sometime this year.


The guitar in the photo is a Dot, a copy of a Gibson ES-335 semi hollow.
The Cssino has P-90 pickups and is fully hollow. I think the neck is set farther in on the body as well, less access to the high frets.

Very different guitars but both very nice. Cheers, Kuru


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I have always kinda liked this guitar, Foo Fighters notwithstanding:

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I've heard that Nashville tuning is especially popular on electric semi-hollow 12-strings, so that could be a two-birds-with-one-stone expansion purchase later on, mitigating the G.A.S. a bit. :-)


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Originally Posted by Mark Schmieder
I've heard that Nashville tuning is especially popular on electric semi-hollow 12-strings, so that could be a two-birds-with-one-stone expansion purchase later on, mitigating the G.A.S. a bit. :-)


Interesting... so, double courses in octaves? It does make a certain sense, since many electric 12 strings have a single saddle for each course and can never be properly intonated with those courses in octaves.
I bet that would sound fantastic, I like the idea!

One of my projects is an Ovation Deacon 12 string neck and a Preacher body. I have the parts, need to fabricate a bridge mount for a Gotoh fully intonatable bridge and cut a new pickguard.
The Ovation pickup system for their solid body 12 strings was the same as their 6 string system - mid forward and not very chimey. I will correct that problem, the necks were the best electric 12 stirng necks I've ever played and I've gone through quite a few of them.


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Thanks, Kuru. I was actually thinking about looking at an Epiphone Sheraton, but I would still check out both the Dot and the Casino before I make any decisions.


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Originally Posted by Sharkman
Thanks, Kuru. I was actually thinking about looking at an Epiphone Sheraton, but I would still check out both the Dot and the Casino before I make any decisions.

The Sheraton is the pretty one! I think the Sheraton is the same basic guitar as the Dot but with fancy inlays. They will sound more like a Les Paul but still with a bit of hollow resonance.
The Casino is another animal entirely, it is hollow and it sounds it. If you play loud or with high gain you may get feedback or howling. The P-90 pickups tend to hum more although there are aftermarket options that are very quiet.

My best advice is difficult right now, at least up here where our music stores are closed.

I like to play the guitar first, unplugged. If it sounds good unplugged it will sound good plugged in.
Sweetwater has a great inspection program for mail order guitars and they've always held their end up when I've dealt with them.
Right now if I had to have a new guitar (I buy used almost always), that's where I would get it.


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Good step up.

Dammit yes, one is never enough. As a fellow keyboard player I stopped at seven guitars, seven amps, seven speaker cabinets. These days I am focusing more on keyboards.

I got a good Tele, Strat, LP, Martin 6 and 12 string acoustic, mandolin, and still have my 1st guitar (Epiphone Genesis). None are redundant, they all offer something unique.

Amps can be a money pit. I grew up with a bad a## guitar player brother and was exposed to all the good guitar amps of the 1970s. Modeling amps are convenient but they aren't everything and having heard the good amps the modelers can come up short. I still use tube amps, even vintage stuff. I chose separate heads and speaker cabinets for my guitar rigs. The cabinets all have different speakers which do have their own tone especially for emulating certain genres. I found that mixing amps, cabinets, and guitars gets me a LOT of variety. The permutations are endless. But I've heard some plugins that are pretty darn good.

Then there is changing out strings, pickups... Different alloy strings can improve the sound.

I'm a keyboard player and I only play rhythm guitar. Some lead players I worked with thought I had better tone than them. They ask why does a keyboard player know so much about guitars? I like to reply that I adopt the mantle of West Point graduates - "know your enemy" grin

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...and now, the next one... boing

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Eh...whaddayagonnado? Had to have P90s, right? idk grin

On it's way even as we speak.

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
...and now, the next one... boing

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Eh...whaddayagonnado? Had to have P90s, right? idk grin

On it's way even as we speak.

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I had one, should have kept it. Mine came with EMG pickups installed so it was nice and quiet.

It reminded me of how great the wraparound tailpiece/bridge sounds. I have some stainless steel round head hex drive bolts that fit the threads of the tailpiece mount. I used washers to set the action, put the bolts in tight but not firm, strung it up, did the intonation thang and clamped it down. Clarity, deep bass and SUSTAIN for days!! Less fiddley changing strings too. Kept the pickups and the bolts, stuck a set of P-90s in it and traded it for a hand wired true point to point "clone" of a 1958 Vox AC-15 Top Cut amp mounted in a vintage hi-fi chassis. Figured there was only going to be one of those in my world and I can get another guitar.

Then, a multi-boogered late 50's early 60's single cutaway Melody Maker appeared in my life. I need to get her up and running but that one's a keeper.

Honestly, I think your Melody Maker is one of the best designs Gibson has ever produced. It looks cool, plays great and sings. Cheers, Kuru


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...and now, the next one... boing

Eh...whaddayagonnado? Had to have P90s, right? idk grin

On it's way even as we speak.

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Yeah, and I ended up buying that Tom Anderson Classic I saw on eBay..."on its way even as we speak."

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Back in the 60's, I read an article about Zal Yanovsky, the lead guitarist for the Loving Spoonful. He said he had a Guild acoustic 6, and a Guild acoustic 12, as well as Guild electric 6s and 12s. My brain went "POP!" and I knew that I wanted to have one of each too, acoustic & electric 6 & 12 strings, so I'd be able to get all the sounds. Later on I found out it was a lot more complicated than that, because different electrics sounded different; Les Paul vs Strat vs Tele vs jazz box, baritone, 3/4 size, etc etc. And there are the different acoustics; dreadnought, OM size, single O, double O, triple O, resonator, 12 vs 14 frets clear of the body, 6 string banjo, etc etc. And then there's bass guitars; 4 string, 5 string, 6 string, Jazz Bass Verses P Bass vs Music Man Stingray, maybe even Gibson basses, fretless, active or passive electronics, etc etc.

And I ain't EVEN gonna get into amps.

There is not now nor will there ever be enough.

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Nice Marzzz! Give us a review on the action, sound, feel, quality, etc. It looks like a master tone and master volume. I like the way the volume knob is set lower from the 1st string. Standard Strats are too close IMHO. I'm wondering what the mini toggle switch does? Series vs Parallel? Kill switch? Cut the middle pickup? Looks Nice - Congrats! thu


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My Melody Maker landed yesterday, and I am completely in love.

While it seems to lack a bit in the spank and snarl area compared to the Tele and Epi Dot , it more than makes up for in richness of tone and life/dynamic range.

What an amazing sound. Really sings...way digging those P90s...

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
My Melody Maker landed yesterday, and I am completely in love.

While it seems to lack a bit in the spank and snarl area compared to the Tele and Epi Dot , it more than makes up for in richness of tone and life/dynamic range.

What an amazing sound. Really sings...way digging those P90s...

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From experience, I can tell you that a significant part of that tone is the wraparound bridge. You have two adjustment points, the mounting screws. The bridge is a single, solid piece of metal (0K, maybe 4 with the two intonation screws).
Your Epiphone will have 8 adjustment points (what I call "fugitive threads") and your Tele will have between 9 and 18 depending on which bridge was used.

Wraparound bridge offers good sustain, even response and that "singing" tone. That's a nice guitar, great choice!!!!

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Sweet little guitar Dave! Congrats! thu


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Thanks, guys!

My bandmate and good friend Stan Cotey works at Fender. He tells me I now need to own a Princeton...muttered something about tubes... idea grin
I know, I know...I'm a dead man. pop

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Thanks, guys!

My bandmate and good friend Stan Cotey works at Fender. He tells me I now need to own a Princeton...muttered something about tubes... idea grin
I know, I know...I'm a dead man. pop

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I have mixed feelings on this topic. I've owned several vintage Fender Tweed amps, Deluxes and one Harvard, some Valco, Kay, Danelectro/Silvertone, a Rivera-era Fender Concert, a pair of Champ chassis with consective serial numbers, a Bassman, a converted McGowan PA head, a vintage Gibson, an Orpheus, 9 Mesa Boogies, an Allen Accomplice and a Red Plate Blues Machine. Plus a hand wired true point to point converted Hammond organ amp done up as a modified Fender 5D3 circuit and another converted hi-fi amp wired as a Vox AC-15 Top Cut channel with an EF86 preamp tube. And stuff I am probably forgetting.

Currently I own and gig a Boss Katana 100 combo, a Roland Cube 40GX, Peavey Vypyr VIP 1 and 3, a recent Peavey Envoy 110 and a red stripe Peavey Transtube 258 EFX. I also have a Tech 21 Tri-AC pedal (Sansamp) that is a go-to for recording both guitar and bass.

I don't miss the tube amps, not for tone and certainly not for reliability. Tube amps are reliable, tubes are not.
You've got a Line 6 setup, I haven't used one much but friends gig with them and they sound really good to me.

Not dissing a Princeton at all, played through many and they are great sounding amps. 5 years ago I would have said you needed it.

I don't think so anymore. I suspect a blindfold test with your Line 6 dialed up pretty and a great tube amp - both through the same speaker - would not show any sort of compelling response in terms of votes for one or the other. Various sorts of tube emualtions have gotten REALLY good.

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I hear ya, Kuru...but no worries. idk

I plan to let the Princeton live in the studio with my modest pedal collection. I still really like the Line 6 rig not only because it sounds great to me through my PA..but also because I can take apart the programs to learn how they made those tones. Then, ideally, I'd like to try doing some of them the old skool way on the Real Thing just to learn and experiment.

No sports, no gigs...may as well spend the time trying to learn something. Besides, I have a few keyboards that might enjoy having a tube amp in the studio. cool

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
I hear ya, Kuru...but no worries. idk

I plan to let the Princeton live in the studio with my modest pedal collection. I still really like the Line 6 rig not only because it sounds great to me through my PA..but also because I can take apart the programs to learn how they made those tones. Then, ideally, I'd like to try doing some of them the old skool way on the Real Thing just to learn and experiment.

No sports, no gigs...may as well spend the time trying to learn something. Besides, I have a few keyboards that might enjoy having a tube amp in the studio. cool

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A Princeton is a fine amp. i've passed on the opportunity to buy one too many times. Should have gotten a Blackface Princeton Reverb when they went cheap.
For all that, with a guitar I truly prefer the raw, evil snarl of the older Tweed amps. Neil Young is one iconic example.

It really depends on what guitar is used and other circumstances. I read an interview with Mick Ronson and he was asked how he got the tone on Moonage Daydream from Ziggy Stardust. Being British and all, I expected to hear "Marshall" but he plugged into a Fender Deluxe Reverb, dimed it and just ripped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPUAldgS7Sg

The solo at the end is iconic.

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Besides, I have a few keyboards that might enjoy having a tube amp in the studio. cool

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Forgive me for truncating your post, but I wanted to make a point about running KB's through Guitar Amps; approach with caution. Some of those low frequencies will beat the living hell out of a Guitar Amp, especially a compact low-wattage combo Amp. Tubes are more forgiving than IC's, but it's not cheap blowing out and replacing tubes, either.

I knew a few KB players in the late 80's/early 90's who were using JC-120's or Polytones, but they were also mostly playing EP's, not full Synth rigs. Just a precaution . . . FWIW, I'm a Guitarist with more Synths than Guitars, so I've had experience killing a Guitar Amp with Synth tones, and low Pitch-Shifted sounds. Found a Roland KC60 in a local pawn shop, and that's worked for me.


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Besides, I have a few keyboards that might enjoy having a tube amp in the studio. cool

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Forgive me for truncating your post, but I wanted to make a point about running KB's through Guitar Amps; approach with caution. Some of those low frequencies will beat the living hell out of a Guitar Amp, especially a compact low-wattage combo Amp. Tubes are more forgiving than IC's, but it's not cheap blowing out and replacing tubes, either.

I knew a few KB players in the late 80's/early 90's who were using JC-120's or Polytones, but they were also mostly playing EP's, not full Synth rigs. Just a precaution . . . FWIW, I'm a Guitarist with more Synths than Guitars, so I've had experience killing a Guitar Amp with Synth tones, and low Pitch-Shifted sounds. Found a Roland KC60 in a local pawn shop, and that's worked for me.

Truth. Most likely with a Princeton - the speaker will die first, a horrible, flatulant flubbering until the cone, voice coil and spider can take no more and expire.

I have 2 go-to 10" speakers for guitar. Weber Neo Mag 10 is modelled after the JBL D-110 (which now goes for stupid money) is a great sounding speaker, more "hi-fi". My other favorite is the Peavey Scorpion 10", which can often be found at very affordable prices, always used so choose your seller well. It is a great guitar speaker, my favorite 10" overall. Be prepared to be frightened, the Princeton will be a completely different beast with either of these installed. Still not recommended for keyboards.

Your best bet would be to solder the speaker output wires to a 1/4 jack, you could mount a project box on the inside of the Princeton cabinet. Then you can either use the internal speaker or plug it into a full range cabinet that can handle the lows.

Be aware that every octave you shift downards requires/provides a considerable increase in output even though it won't be louder. As a general rule, a guitarist with a 15 watt amp and a good speaker can compete with a bassist with a 200 wat amp on stage. It just takes more watts to get a good low frequency sound.

It'll be fun but be aware that one could create the "yellow smoke". Been there, it's sort of fun at the moment but could run up some $$$ in repairs. Cheers, Kuru


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Originally Posted by Larryz
Nice Marzzz! Give us a review on the action, sound, feel, quality, etc. It looks like a master tone and master volume. I like the way the volume knob is set lower from the 1st string. Standard Strats are too close IMHO. I'm wondering what the mini toggle switch does? Series vs Parallel? Kill switch? Cut the middle pickup? Looks Nice - Congrats! thu

Thanks Larryz!

This is a New Old Stock 2015 guitar from a shop in South Florida, that closed a few years back. There isn't a mark on it. My most recent guitar is a headless HSS Kiesel, but it has a "D" shaped 24 fret neck and I have been moving more into single-coil sounds, especially at the neck. So I decided that if what I really wanted was a Strat, I should get a...Tom Anderson! I was originally spec-ing a guitar new, when this came up on eBay and was literally exactly what I wanted, save the color which is a classic Olympic White. If it's good enough for Hendrix and Jeff Beck, it's good enough for me.

As far as the guitar itself, it is a classic (pun?) Tom Anderson instrument. Completely top-notch in construction, finish, setup, electronics, etc. The neck is a satin finish, C-shaped "Even Taper," which is ridiculously smoother and easier to play than a standard Strat neck; I also find it more comfortable to play than the "D" shaped neck of my Kiesel- my slightly smaller than normal hands are better able to hook the thumb or grab chords in general. I had been going back-and-forth between Even Taper and Even Taper Plus .030 neck depth; when this guitar came up I went with it, and Even Taper turned out to be the right size for me (though the difference would be subtle). TA has a model called the "Icon," which exactly duplicates a Strat, but the Classic has only one Volume and one Tone knob. The switching is standard Strat, but there is an option to pull the Tone knob to add the bridge pickup; this gives you neck+bridge in position 1 (a take on a Tele), or all three pickups in position 2 which is also a cool sound that I am just starting to play around with. The pickups are SC1-SC1-SC3, which are noiseless single coils. It definitely sounds like Strat tones to me, though purists can opt for actual single coils if they wanted.

The Toggle switch is the "VA Booster," it is a passive circuit that adds about 4 dB of saturation and volume to each pickup. TA describes it as "instantly putting in the next hotter set of pickups into your guitar." The effect is definitely noticeable, and may work better with higher gain amp settings. It certainly adds versatility to the guitar; again I have to play around with it.

The guitar definitely fills my "Strat mojo," it sounds great, it is very high quality, and it sustains really well. The feel of the neck has pretty much ruined me for my other guitar; I am probably going to sell my Kiesel and for humbucker needs I may start looking for a TA Cobra (Tele-shaped Gibson scale mahogany). Hopefully two guitars will be enough?

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
My bandmate and good friend Stan Cotey works at Fender. He tells me I now need to own a Princeton...muttered something about tubes... idea grin
I know, I know...I'm a dead man. pop

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Two words: Kemper Profiler! I sold off my Mesa Boogie tube amp after I got one.

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Originally Posted by Marzzz
Hopefully two guitars will be enough?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

Best post ever! Cheers, Kuru

PS, nice strat, the feature set sounds awesome - enjoy!


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Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Besides, I have a few keyboards that might enjoy having a tube amp in the studio. cool

Forgive me for truncating your post, but I wanted to make a point about running KB's through Guitar Amps; approach with caution. Some of those low frequencies will beat the living hell out of a Guitar Amp, especially a compact low-wattage combo Amp. Tubes are more forgiving than IC's, but it's not cheap blowing out and replacing tubes, either.

I knew a few KB players in the late 80's/early 90's who were using JC-120's or Polytones, but they were also mostly playing EP's, not full Synth rigs. Just a precaution . . . FWIW, I'm a Guitarist with more Synths than Guitars, so I've had experience killing a Guitar Amp with Synth tones, and low Pitch-Shifted sounds. Found a Roland KC60 in a local pawn shop, and that's worked for me.
Sage counsel - thank you, brother!

Originally Posted by Marzzz
I am probably going to sell my Kiesel and for humbucker needs I may start looking for a TA Cobra (Tele-shaped Gibson scale mahogany).
Wait...what? Tele-shaped Gibson???? drool

Sigh...it just never stops, does it? facepalm

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Originally Posted by Marzzz
I am probably going to sell my Kiesel and for humbucker needs I may start looking for a TA Cobra (Tele-shaped Gibson scale mahogany).
Wait...what? Tele-shaped Gibson???? drool

Sigh...it just never stops, does it? facepalm

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Plus, Gibson-shaped Teles and...
Once you go bolt on neck the possibilities are beyond all reason.

This is a fun little place, one of many. My experience with Warmoth parts has been universally positve, they make great stuffs. https://www.warmoth.com

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I hear good things about this company "Build Your Own Guitar", look at the prices......I know people who have done biz with them and were astounded at the price vs quality.

https://www.byoguitar.com/Guitar_Kits/Guitar-Kits.aspx


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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Wait...what? Tele-shaped Gibson???? drool

Sigh...it just never stops, does it? facepalm

Or, a Telegib!

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Originally Posted by Marzzz
Hopefully two guitars will be enough?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

Best post ever! Cheers, Kuru

PS, nice strat, the feature set sounds awesome - enjoy!

yeahthat +1 Kuru and Thanks for the review Marzzz! It sounds like you'll be very happy but, one is never quite enough, so go for that TeleGib and watch out for #3! thu

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Pretty much, if there’s something you want, someone either made one, is making one, or will make one. I’ve personally bookmarked a few hundred websites for multinational guitar makers down to lutheries of 1-7 people.


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There's a flip side to all the variety out there in the Guitar world - once you've found a model, or design that really works for you, you'll tend to stick with it, or go back to it.

After years working in Music Retail, where I got to try anything and everything that came through wherever I was working, I'm down to 8 Guitars, and two of them are nearly identical 2003 Gibson SG Specials that I've extensively retro-fitted with Schaller parts, and Grover tuners on each one. My favorite Acoustic is my Ovation Custom Legend, which I got in the last year os so to replace an Ovation Legend that finally died (fatal crack in top). I've had other Gibson Electrics, more than a few Fenders, Schecters, a couple of PRS SE models, a Yamaha with a Tele-style body & HB's, and a bunch of different Acoustic or A/E models, I can't recall everything else offhand, but I've been playing SG's and Ovations since the 1970's, and they're still my go-to Guitars even now. At this point, I'd rather play the damned things than collect them, so I'm probably set for a while.


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