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I know for sure I'm nowhere near the first person to make this observation...but owning a single electric guitar - and I love my Tele to bits - just seems to feel incomplete somehow... 🤔

...so, this will be here soon. 🤗

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I thought long and hard about the Casino - especially because I'm playing a ton of Beatles music these days - but I think I'm saving my P90 experience for a Les Paul to be named at a future date, and I'm not sure I'm ready for the full on hollow body thing yet; plus, the 335 thing has always been holy to me. My buddy brought his over recently, and I near about lost my mind playing that bad boy. grin

Psyyyyched. boing

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Are you kidding!!?? More like, "Twenty is never enough, is it?"


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Sitting at 30...


For now.


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One? You had ONE?

You're doing it wrong!!!!!! It will get lonely and cry itself to sleep! :- D

Great choice, the 335 style semi-hollow is truly one of the great guitars. Those Epiphones are nice guitars.

I've had a 1986 Gibson ES-335 Studio since 1988 or so.
I "modified" it massively. Some would say I boogered it but it's MY guitar so they can go kick cans or something.

Alll gold colored hardware instatlled. Sperzel locking tuners (will add days to your life not spent putting strings on!), super jumbo frets, custom plexi pickguard painted on the backside (Gretsch style), Schecter Tri-Lock bridge bolted to the guitar permanently, gold "bell" knobs, EMG HB (Steinberger bass pickup in the neck, 81 in the bridge, ONE volume knob, nearest the 3 way switch - the rest are dummies.

It screams, it sings, it cries and girls like it because it's pretty. Yes, there are more... you'll find out what is about to happen soon enough...
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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
One? You had ONE?

You're doing it wrong!!!!!! It will get lonely and cry itself to sleep! :- D
Remember, guys - I'm mainly a keyboard player. I'm down to something like 30 of those. Pics of a few of them attached. smile

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
One? You had ONE?

You're doing it wrong!!!!!! It will get lonely and cry itself to sleep! :- D
Remember, guys - I'm mainly a keyboard player. I'm down to something like 30 of those. Pics of a few of them attached. smile

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Lots of nice wall space to mount guitar hangers!!! :- D


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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Lots of nice wall space to mount guitar hangers!!! :- D
idea roll 2thu

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Congrats on a sweet looking Epi Dave! Epi puts out the best guitars on the market for the price IMHO! They make it so you can afford to buy as many as you want! thu


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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
One? You had ONE?

You're doing it wrong!!!!!! It will get lonely and cry itself to sleep! :- D
Remember, guys - I'm mainly a keyboard player. I'm down to something like 30 of those. Pics of a few of them attached. smile

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*pfffft*

I’m primarily a singer! laugh


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Originally Posted by Dannyalcatraz
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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
One? You had ONE?

You're doing it wrong!!!!!! It will get lonely and cry itself to sleep! :- D
Remember, guys - I'm mainly a keyboard player. I'm down to something like 30 of those. Pics of a few of them attached. smile

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*pfffft*

I’m primarily a singer! laugh

Plus, one simply cannot do with just a couple of electric six string guitars. One needs a nice acoustic guitar too, and a 12 string, and a nylon string, and an ukulele, and a lap steel, and a bass guitar, and another bass guitar with no frets, and a 5 string banjo, and a fretless banjo, and a requinto. And stuff...
Plus amps, did I mention amps?


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I played a Gibson 335 sunburst in my favorite high school music store.
I've had one or two um..psychic experiences.
That is among the top.
Then I moved halfway across the country. I had to say goodbye to my friends.
I was heartbroken. Then slowly, I started to look around and realize, I was meeting some pretty cool people-
and playing some pretty cool instruments.
One of those cool people was Bob Cage. Sadly, he left us a couple years ago.
His great-grandparents started a music instrument company named after their child.
That is now the Epiphone company.
Bob had kind of a dark side musically, but he was a really fine player. Look him up on youtube.
I have never owned an Epiphone. But if I could try first, I'd definitely buy one.

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I bought a new vintage sunburst version last year from Guitar Center. Gotta great price on it too. I love playing it. Great tone.


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@Dave Bryce - I have an Epi DOT from the Samick factory in Korea - one of the nicest playing Guitars I've ever owned, and I'm a solid-body guy. That finish is really beautiful, as well. Enjoy!

FWIW, even as a Guitarist, I have more Synths than Guitars by around 3-to-1, but good used Synths are much less expensive than good used Guitars.

Edit: afterthought from looking at your KB photos. If that black bean-shaped POD is the one you were trying to access with the Express floorboard, sadly, it seems that's one model the Express doesn't want to work with.

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I prefer the Casino to the Dot, and almost bought one, but went with an Eastman equivalent instead. It's a very versatile guitar that works in many styles and genres, and can put on a lot of personalities and disguises. I'd recommend getting to know it really well, before deciding what your third guitar should be -- even though I already know you'll need a Strat, as nothing can quite "fake" it (even when Nile Rodgers tours with something else, such as a Les Paul, he doesn't quite get his own signature sound!).


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I have 3 guitars, and after owning and selling a large quiver over time, three is enough for me. All of mine are cheapies, & all play and sound great. I have had most of the iconic guitars in my quiver including about 5 Les Paul's or so, and Strats, Tele's, a Gibson 345. I am down to a few requirements 25-1/2 " scale, hum-bucking pickups either full sized or strat sized, two potentiometers 1 tone 1 volume, 24 or preferrably 24 frets and an accessible cutaway to get to those highest frets. strat or similar shape, Done, I need nothing else.


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I'm going to have to be satistied with what I have for now, my DP Strat and my Squier. I have no idea what the future holds, so no major purchases. We reopened the store Friday and have had 4 customers and no sales so it's cheaper to stay closed. 34% unemployment and zero tourists does not look good.


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Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
@Dave Bryce - I have an Epi DOT from the Samick factory in Korea - one of the nicest playing Guitars I've ever owned, and I'm a solid-body guy. That finish is really beautiful, as well. Enjoy!
Thank you, brother!

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Edit: afterthought from looking at your KB photos. If that black bean-shaped POD is the one you were trying to access with the Express floorboard, sadly, it seems that's one model the Express doesn't want to work with.
I know it now...but it does like my Spider III, so it'll stay there.

FBV3 showed up for the POD HD today. Muuuch happier now.

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Remember, guys - I'm mainly a keyboard player. I'm down to something like 30 of those.
I had no idea you played guitar! Also coming over from keyboard world, I currently have exactly one guitar- a Kiesel Osiris O6X HSS (headless). But I did recently sell off a couple of guitars, so now I am eyeing a Tom Anderson Classic, cause, you know, sometimes you have to...

and btw, that Casino is gorgeous!

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One guitar is like one beer.

It is not a correct concept...


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I now see that I failed to include a baritone, a Nashville tuned guitar and a 5 string tuned like Keef.

Plus a cigar box and maybe one these here shovel guitar thingies... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9-ltPsbw9g


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I have to say, that Epiphone Casino is a really nice looking guitar. Now it's got me thinking about getting one sometime this year.


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Originally Posted by Sharkman
I have to say, that Epiphone Casino is a really nice looking guitar. Now it's got me thinking about getting one sometime this year.


The guitar in the photo is a Dot, a copy of a Gibson ES-335 semi hollow.
The Cssino has P-90 pickups and is fully hollow. I think the neck is set farther in on the body as well, less access to the high frets.

Very different guitars but both very nice. Cheers, Kuru


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I have always kinda liked this guitar, Foo Fighters notwithstanding:

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I've heard that Nashville tuning is especially popular on electric semi-hollow 12-strings, so that could be a two-birds-with-one-stone expansion purchase later on, mitigating the G.A.S. a bit. :-)


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Originally Posted by Mark Schmieder
I've heard that Nashville tuning is especially popular on electric semi-hollow 12-strings, so that could be a two-birds-with-one-stone expansion purchase later on, mitigating the G.A.S. a bit. :-)


Interesting... so, double courses in octaves? It does make a certain sense, since many electric 12 strings have a single saddle for each course and can never be properly intonated with those courses in octaves.
I bet that would sound fantastic, I like the idea!

One of my projects is an Ovation Deacon 12 string neck and a Preacher body. I have the parts, need to fabricate a bridge mount for a Gotoh fully intonatable bridge and cut a new pickguard.
The Ovation pickup system for their solid body 12 strings was the same as their 6 string system - mid forward and not very chimey. I will correct that problem, the necks were the best electric 12 stirng necks I've ever played and I've gone through quite a few of them.


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Thanks, Kuru. I was actually thinking about looking at an Epiphone Sheraton, but I would still check out both the Dot and the Casino before I make any decisions.


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Originally Posted by Sharkman
Thanks, Kuru. I was actually thinking about looking at an Epiphone Sheraton, but I would still check out both the Dot and the Casino before I make any decisions.

The Sheraton is the pretty one! I think the Sheraton is the same basic guitar as the Dot but with fancy inlays. They will sound more like a Les Paul but still with a bit of hollow resonance.
The Casino is another animal entirely, it is hollow and it sounds it. If you play loud or with high gain you may get feedback or howling. The P-90 pickups tend to hum more although there are aftermarket options that are very quiet.

My best advice is difficult right now, at least up here where our music stores are closed.

I like to play the guitar first, unplugged. If it sounds good unplugged it will sound good plugged in.
Sweetwater has a great inspection program for mail order guitars and they've always held their end up when I've dealt with them.
Right now if I had to have a new guitar (I buy used almost always), that's where I would get it.


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Good step up.

Dammit yes, one is never enough. As a fellow keyboard player I stopped at seven guitars, seven amps, seven speaker cabinets. These days I am focusing more on keyboards.

I got a good Tele, Strat, LP, Martin 6 and 12 string acoustic, mandolin, and still have my 1st guitar (Epiphone Genesis). None are redundant, they all offer something unique.

Amps can be a money pit. I grew up with a bad a## guitar player brother and was exposed to all the good guitar amps of the 1970s. Modeling amps are convenient but they aren't everything and having heard the good amps the modelers can come up short. I still use tube amps, even vintage stuff. I chose separate heads and speaker cabinets for my guitar rigs. The cabinets all have different speakers which do have their own tone especially for emulating certain genres. I found that mixing amps, cabinets, and guitars gets me a LOT of variety. The permutations are endless. But I've heard some plugins that are pretty darn good.

Then there is changing out strings, pickups... Different alloy strings can improve the sound.

I'm a keyboard player and I only play rhythm guitar. Some lead players I worked with thought I had better tone than them. They ask why does a keyboard player know so much about guitars? I like to reply that I adopt the mantle of West Point graduates - "know your enemy" grin

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There is never enough...trust me.


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...and now, the next one... boing

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Eh...whaddayagonnado? Had to have P90s, right? idk grin

On it's way even as we speak.

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
...and now, the next one... boing

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Eh...whaddayagonnado? Had to have P90s, right? idk grin

On it's way even as we speak.

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I had one, should have kept it. Mine came with EMG pickups installed so it was nice and quiet.

It reminded me of how great the wraparound tailpiece/bridge sounds. I have some stainless steel round head hex drive bolts that fit the threads of the tailpiece mount. I used washers to set the action, put the bolts in tight but not firm, strung it up, did the intonation thang and clamped it down. Clarity, deep bass and SUSTAIN for days!! Less fiddley changing strings too. Kept the pickups and the bolts, stuck a set of P-90s in it and traded it for a hand wired true point to point "clone" of a 1958 Vox AC-15 Top Cut amp mounted in a vintage hi-fi chassis. Figured there was only going to be one of those in my world and I can get another guitar.

Then, a multi-boogered late 50's early 60's single cutaway Melody Maker appeared in my life. I need to get her up and running but that one's a keeper.

Honestly, I think your Melody Maker is one of the best designs Gibson has ever produced. It looks cool, plays great and sings. Cheers, Kuru


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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
...and now, the next one... boing

Eh...whaddayagonnado? Had to have P90s, right? idk grin

On it's way even as we speak.

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Yeah, and I ended up buying that Tom Anderson Classic I saw on eBay..."on its way even as we speak."

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Back in the 60's, I read an article about Zal Yanovsky, the lead guitarist for the Loving Spoonful. He said he had a Guild acoustic 6, and a Guild acoustic 12, as well as Guild electric 6s and 12s. My brain went "POP!" and I knew that I wanted to have one of each too, acoustic & electric 6 & 12 strings, so I'd be able to get all the sounds. Later on I found out it was a lot more complicated than that, because different electrics sounded different; Les Paul vs Strat vs Tele vs jazz box, baritone, 3/4 size, etc etc. And there are the different acoustics; dreadnought, OM size, single O, double O, triple O, resonator, 12 vs 14 frets clear of the body, 6 string banjo, etc etc. And then there's bass guitars; 4 string, 5 string, 6 string, Jazz Bass Verses P Bass vs Music Man Stingray, maybe even Gibson basses, fretless, active or passive electronics, etc etc.

And I ain't EVEN gonna get into amps.

There is not now nor will there ever be enough.

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Nice Marzzz! Give us a review on the action, sound, feel, quality, etc. It looks like a master tone and master volume. I like the way the volume knob is set lower from the 1st string. Standard Strats are too close IMHO. I'm wondering what the mini toggle switch does? Series vs Parallel? Kill switch? Cut the middle pickup? Looks Nice - Congrats! thu


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My Melody Maker landed yesterday, and I am completely in love.

While it seems to lack a bit in the spank and snarl area compared to the Tele and Epi Dot , it more than makes up for in richness of tone and life/dynamic range.

What an amazing sound. Really sings...way digging those P90s...

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
My Melody Maker landed yesterday, and I am completely in love.

While it seems to lack a bit in the spank and snarl area compared to the Tele and Epi Dot , it more than makes up for in richness of tone and life/dynamic range.

What an amazing sound. Really sings...way digging those P90s...

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From experience, I can tell you that a significant part of that tone is the wraparound bridge. You have two adjustment points, the mounting screws. The bridge is a single, solid piece of metal (0K, maybe 4 with the two intonation screws).
Your Epiphone will have 8 adjustment points (what I call "fugitive threads") and your Tele will have between 9 and 18 depending on which bridge was used.

Wraparound bridge offers good sustain, even response and that "singing" tone. That's a nice guitar, great choice!!!!

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Sweet little guitar Dave! Congrats! thu


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Thanks, guys!

My bandmate and good friend Stan Cotey works at Fender. He tells me I now need to own a Princeton...muttered something about tubes... idea grin
I know, I know...I'm a dead man. pop

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Thanks, guys!

My bandmate and good friend Stan Cotey works at Fender. He tells me I now need to own a Princeton...muttered something about tubes... idea grin
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I have mixed feelings on this topic. I've owned several vintage Fender Tweed amps, Deluxes and one Harvard, some Valco, Kay, Danelectro/Silvertone, a Rivera-era Fender Concert, a pair of Champ chassis with consective serial numbers, a Bassman, a converted McGowan PA head, a vintage Gibson, an Orpheus, 9 Mesa Boogies, an Allen Accomplice and a Red Plate Blues Machine. Plus a hand wired true point to point converted Hammond organ amp done up as a modified Fender 5D3 circuit and another converted hi-fi amp wired as a Vox AC-15 Top Cut channel with an EF86 preamp tube. And stuff I am probably forgetting.

Currently I own and gig a Boss Katana 100 combo, a Roland Cube 40GX, Peavey Vypyr VIP 1 and 3, a recent Peavey Envoy 110 and a red stripe Peavey Transtube 258 EFX. I also have a Tech 21 Tri-AC pedal (Sansamp) that is a go-to for recording both guitar and bass.

I don't miss the tube amps, not for tone and certainly not for reliability. Tube amps are reliable, tubes are not.
You've got a Line 6 setup, I haven't used one much but friends gig with them and they sound really good to me.

Not dissing a Princeton at all, played through many and they are great sounding amps. 5 years ago I would have said you needed it.

I don't think so anymore. I suspect a blindfold test with your Line 6 dialed up pretty and a great tube amp - both through the same speaker - would not show any sort of compelling response in terms of votes for one or the other. Various sorts of tube emualtions have gotten REALLY good.

The best part is, you can use that money to buy another guitar!!!! laugh


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I hear ya, Kuru...but no worries. idk

I plan to let the Princeton live in the studio with my modest pedal collection. I still really like the Line 6 rig not only because it sounds great to me through my PA..but also because I can take apart the programs to learn how they made those tones. Then, ideally, I'd like to try doing some of them the old skool way on the Real Thing just to learn and experiment.

No sports, no gigs...may as well spend the time trying to learn something. Besides, I have a few keyboards that might enjoy having a tube amp in the studio. cool

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I hear ya, Kuru...but no worries. idk

I plan to let the Princeton live in the studio with my modest pedal collection. I still really like the Line 6 rig not only because it sounds great to me through my PA..but also because I can take apart the programs to learn how they made those tones. Then, ideally, I'd like to try doing some of them the old skool way on the Real Thing just to learn and experiment.

No sports, no gigs...may as well spend the time trying to learn something. Besides, I have a few keyboards that might enjoy having a tube amp in the studio. cool

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A Princeton is a fine amp. i've passed on the opportunity to buy one too many times. Should have gotten a Blackface Princeton Reverb when they went cheap.
For all that, with a guitar I truly prefer the raw, evil snarl of the older Tweed amps. Neil Young is one iconic example.

It really depends on what guitar is used and other circumstances. I read an interview with Mick Ronson and he was asked how he got the tone on Moonage Daydream from Ziggy Stardust. Being British and all, I expected to hear "Marshall" but he plugged into a Fender Deluxe Reverb, dimed it and just ripped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPUAldgS7Sg

The solo at the end is iconic.

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Besides, I have a few keyboards that might enjoy having a tube amp in the studio. cool

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Forgive me for truncating your post, but I wanted to make a point about running KB's through Guitar Amps; approach with caution. Some of those low frequencies will beat the living hell out of a Guitar Amp, especially a compact low-wattage combo Amp. Tubes are more forgiving than IC's, but it's not cheap blowing out and replacing tubes, either.

I knew a few KB players in the late 80's/early 90's who were using JC-120's or Polytones, but they were also mostly playing EP's, not full Synth rigs. Just a precaution . . . FWIW, I'm a Guitarist with more Synths than Guitars, so I've had experience killing a Guitar Amp with Synth tones, and low Pitch-Shifted sounds. Found a Roland KC60 in a local pawn shop, and that's worked for me.


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Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Besides, I have a few keyboards that might enjoy having a tube amp in the studio. cool

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Forgive me for truncating your post, but I wanted to make a point about running KB's through Guitar Amps; approach with caution. Some of those low frequencies will beat the living hell out of a Guitar Amp, especially a compact low-wattage combo Amp. Tubes are more forgiving than IC's, but it's not cheap blowing out and replacing tubes, either.

I knew a few KB players in the late 80's/early 90's who were using JC-120's or Polytones, but they were also mostly playing EP's, not full Synth rigs. Just a precaution . . . FWIW, I'm a Guitarist with more Synths than Guitars, so I've had experience killing a Guitar Amp with Synth tones, and low Pitch-Shifted sounds. Found a Roland KC60 in a local pawn shop, and that's worked for me.

Truth. Most likely with a Princeton - the speaker will die first, a horrible, flatulant flubbering until the cone, voice coil and spider can take no more and expire.

I have 2 go-to 10" speakers for guitar. Weber Neo Mag 10 is modelled after the JBL D-110 (which now goes for stupid money) is a great sounding speaker, more "hi-fi". My other favorite is the Peavey Scorpion 10", which can often be found at very affordable prices, always used so choose your seller well. It is a great guitar speaker, my favorite 10" overall. Be prepared to be frightened, the Princeton will be a completely different beast with either of these installed. Still not recommended for keyboards.

Your best bet would be to solder the speaker output wires to a 1/4 jack, you could mount a project box on the inside of the Princeton cabinet. Then you can either use the internal speaker or plug it into a full range cabinet that can handle the lows.

Be aware that every octave you shift downards requires/provides a considerable increase in output even though it won't be louder. As a general rule, a guitarist with a 15 watt amp and a good speaker can compete with a bassist with a 200 wat amp on stage. It just takes more watts to get a good low frequency sound.

It'll be fun but be aware that one could create the "yellow smoke". Been there, it's sort of fun at the moment but could run up some $$$ in repairs. Cheers, Kuru


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Nice Marzzz! Give us a review on the action, sound, feel, quality, etc. It looks like a master tone and master volume. I like the way the volume knob is set lower from the 1st string. Standard Strats are too close IMHO. I'm wondering what the mini toggle switch does? Series vs Parallel? Kill switch? Cut the middle pickup? Looks Nice - Congrats! thu

Thanks Larryz!

This is a New Old Stock 2015 guitar from a shop in South Florida, that closed a few years back. There isn't a mark on it. My most recent guitar is a headless HSS Kiesel, but it has a "D" shaped 24 fret neck and I have been moving more into single-coil sounds, especially at the neck. So I decided that if what I really wanted was a Strat, I should get a...Tom Anderson! I was originally spec-ing a guitar new, when this came up on eBay and was literally exactly what I wanted, save the color which is a classic Olympic White. If it's good enough for Hendrix and Jeff Beck, it's good enough for me.

As far as the guitar itself, it is a classic (pun?) Tom Anderson instrument. Completely top-notch in construction, finish, setup, electronics, etc. The neck is a satin finish, C-shaped "Even Taper," which is ridiculously smoother and easier to play than a standard Strat neck; I also find it more comfortable to play than the "D" shaped neck of my Kiesel- my slightly smaller than normal hands are better able to hook the thumb or grab chords in general. I had been going back-and-forth between Even Taper and Even Taper Plus .030 neck depth; when this guitar came up I went with it, and Even Taper turned out to be the right size for me (though the difference would be subtle). TA has a model called the "Icon," which exactly duplicates a Strat, but the Classic has only one Volume and one Tone knob. The switching is standard Strat, but there is an option to pull the Tone knob to add the bridge pickup; this gives you neck+bridge in position 1 (a take on a Tele), or all three pickups in position 2 which is also a cool sound that I am just starting to play around with. The pickups are SC1-SC1-SC3, which are noiseless single coils. It definitely sounds like Strat tones to me, though purists can opt for actual single coils if they wanted.

The Toggle switch is the "VA Booster," it is a passive circuit that adds about 4 dB of saturation and volume to each pickup. TA describes it as "instantly putting in the next hotter set of pickups into your guitar." The effect is definitely noticeable, and may work better with higher gain amp settings. It certainly adds versatility to the guitar; again I have to play around with it.

The guitar definitely fills my "Strat mojo," it sounds great, it is very high quality, and it sustains really well. The feel of the neck has pretty much ruined me for my other guitar; I am probably going to sell my Kiesel and for humbucker needs I may start looking for a TA Cobra (Tele-shaped Gibson scale mahogany). Hopefully two guitars will be enough?

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
My bandmate and good friend Stan Cotey works at Fender. He tells me I now need to own a Princeton...muttered something about tubes... idea grin
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Two words: Kemper Profiler! I sold off my Mesa Boogie tube amp after I got one.

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Originally Posted by Marzzz
Hopefully two guitars will be enough?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

Best post ever! Cheers, Kuru

PS, nice strat, the feature set sounds awesome - enjoy!


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Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Besides, I have a few keyboards that might enjoy having a tube amp in the studio. cool

Forgive me for truncating your post, but I wanted to make a point about running KB's through Guitar Amps; approach with caution. Some of those low frequencies will beat the living hell out of a Guitar Amp, especially a compact low-wattage combo Amp. Tubes are more forgiving than IC's, but it's not cheap blowing out and replacing tubes, either.

I knew a few KB players in the late 80's/early 90's who were using JC-120's or Polytones, but they were also mostly playing EP's, not full Synth rigs. Just a precaution . . . FWIW, I'm a Guitarist with more Synths than Guitars, so I've had experience killing a Guitar Amp with Synth tones, and low Pitch-Shifted sounds. Found a Roland KC60 in a local pawn shop, and that's worked for me.
Sage counsel - thank you, brother!

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I am probably going to sell my Kiesel and for humbucker needs I may start looking for a TA Cobra (Tele-shaped Gibson scale mahogany).
Wait...what? Tele-shaped Gibson???? drool

Sigh...it just never stops, does it? facepalm

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Originally Posted by Marzzz
I am probably going to sell my Kiesel and for humbucker needs I may start looking for a TA Cobra (Tele-shaped Gibson scale mahogany).
Wait...what? Tele-shaped Gibson???? drool

Sigh...it just never stops, does it? facepalm

dB

Plus, Gibson-shaped Teles and...
Once you go bolt on neck the possibilities are beyond all reason.

This is a fun little place, one of many. My experience with Warmoth parts has been universally positve, they make great stuffs. https://www.warmoth.com

Hahahahahahahahah!!! Just another little slice of Guitar Hell... Cheers, Kuru


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I hear good things about this company "Build Your Own Guitar", look at the prices......I know people who have done biz with them and were astounded at the price vs quality.

https://www.byoguitar.com/Guitar_Kits/Guitar-Kits.aspx


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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Wait...what? Tele-shaped Gibson???? drool

Sigh...it just never stops, does it? facepalm

Or, a Telegib!

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(not mine, something currently on Reverb that I currently can't afford...intriguing color, but for these I actually like blue!)

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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Originally Posted by Marzzz
Hopefully two guitars will be enough?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

Best post ever! Cheers, Kuru

PS, nice strat, the feature set sounds awesome - enjoy!

yeahthat +1 Kuru and Thanks for the review Marzzz! It sounds like you'll be very happy but, one is never quite enough, so go for that TeleGib and watch out for #3! thu

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Pretty much, if there’s something you want, someone either made one, is making one, or will make one. I’ve personally bookmarked a few hundred websites for multinational guitar makers down to lutheries of 1-7 people.


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There's a flip side to all the variety out there in the Guitar world - once you've found a model, or design that really works for you, you'll tend to stick with it, or go back to it.

After years working in Music Retail, where I got to try anything and everything that came through wherever I was working, I'm down to 8 Guitars, and two of them are nearly identical 2003 Gibson SG Specials that I've extensively retro-fitted with Schaller parts, and Grover tuners on each one. My favorite Acoustic is my Ovation Custom Legend, which I got in the last year os so to replace an Ovation Legend that finally died (fatal crack in top). I've had other Gibson Electrics, more than a few Fenders, Schecters, a couple of PRS SE models, a Yamaha with a Tele-style body & HB's, and a bunch of different Acoustic or A/E models, I can't recall everything else offhand, but I've been playing SG's and Ovations since the 1970's, and they're still my go-to Guitars even now. At this point, I'd rather play the damned things than collect them, so I'm probably set for a while.


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I have a StratoPaul.

Found this custom shop "set-neck" Strat (not a bolt-on neck) with mahogany body and maple top and I thought "same woods in a LP!" Ebony fingerboard gives it sustain, and an interesting pickup wiring makes it bark like a LP.

They came from the shop with Lace pickups but this one has SD JB in the bridge and Texas Special single coils. Fender has the records and they're original. I bought it from the original owner who hardly ever played it he only bought it as an investment (I bought it for 1/4 what the guitar listed for).

It can still "twang" like a Strat... another versatile guitar.

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
My bandmate and good friend Stan Cotey works at Fender. He tells me I now need to own a Princeton...muttered something about tubes... idea grin
I know, I know...I'm a dead man. pop

P-90s through a Princeton? Stellar combination!

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Originally Posted by The Real MC
I have a StratoPaul.

Found this custom shop "set-neck" Strat (not a bolt-on neck) with mahogany body and maple top and I thought "same woods in a LP!" Ebony fingerboard gives it sustain, and an interesting pickup wiring makes it bark like a LP.

They came from the shop with Lace pickups but this one has SD JB in the bridge and Texas Special single coils. Fender has the records and they're original. I bought it from the original owner who hardly ever played it he only bought it as an investment (I bought it for 1/4 what the guitar listed for).

It can still "twang" like a Strat... another versatile guitar.

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Damn, MC - that's gorgeous!!!! Looks like a player from here, LOVE ebony board and you have the 22nd fret too. Keeper for sure!!!!


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Let me know more about how you like that Epi "Dot", Dave. I've been sorely tempted for a while now by that Epiphone Riviera Custom P93, three black "dog ear" P-90s, Wine Red, gold hardware, Bigsby... but I've never been able to test-drive one, and never had quite the nerve to pull the trigger on ordering one whenever I've had the cash...

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Originally Posted by Caevan O'Shite
Let me know more about how you like that Epi "Dot", Dave. I've been sorely tempted for a while now by that Epiphone Riviera Custom P93, three black "dog ear" P-90s, Wine Red, gold hardware, Bigsby... but I've never been able to test-drive one, and never had quite the nerve to pull the trigger on ordering one whenever I've had the cash...

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I had a lust for something similar, the Yamaha SA503 TVL. But by the time I discovered them, they were out of production...and were still $1600.
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Then I found the Reverend Manta Ray 390 LE.
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What. A. Killer.

One of the things I’ve found out about Reverend’s in-house P90s over the years is that they’re ridiculously good. When I bought this Fret-King Esprit III, I thought it sounded nice...but not as good as any of my P90 equipped Reverends.
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So after a while, I upgraded the Esprit to a set of Bareknuckle Stockholms.so now that guitar sounds as good as my Revs...after spending a few hundred on installing aftermarket pickups.

Basically, Joe Naylor of Reverend and Railhammer knows how to wind a pickup. His RevTrons- miniHBs based on FillerTrons- are a great as well.


...which is all a very long-winded way of saying I think you would love a semihollow guitar with a trio of P90s, Caev.

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Originally Posted by Caevan O'Shite
Let me know more about how you like that Epi "Dot", Dave. I've been sorely tempted for a while now by that Epiphone Riviera Custom P93, three black "dog ear" P-90s, Wine Red, gold hardware, Bigsby... but I've never been able to test-drive one, and never had quite the nerve to pull the trigger on ordering one whenever I've had the cash...
I love it to bits. Such personality and feel....and what an amazing sound... love

I've played my buddy's $5k 335, and while his is definitely in a different league than my Dot, I'm shocked my how much of that magic mine delivers.

A high-up from Gibson once told me that one of their biggest fears is that more people might figure out the many Epiphones are 90% as good as their Gibson counterparts.

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I bought an old black Sheraton II at a pawn shop. I knew what mods I would do to it to get it where I thought I would like it. I haven’t changed a thing. The old guitar is perfectly fine stock. I wonder if it has Gibson pickups. It’s an old Korean Epi.


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A high-up from Gibson once told me that one of their biggest fears is that more people might figure out the many Epiphones are 90% as good as their Gibson counterparts.

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Reputation runs deep and lasts beyond all reason. The Kalamazoo Epiphones were made in the same factory as Gibson guitars, by the same craftsmen using the same materials.
They are very highly regarded.

When Norlin moved Epiphone manufacturing to Japan, the quality took a nosedive. We started seeing plywood top acoustic guitars with bolt on necks, very obviously built to a price.

Epiphone may never overcome that reputation, it reminds me of the reputation Peavey amps got early on due to reliability problems. Lots of people still look down on Peavey gear, despite the huge increase in reliability and improved sound, the resale value is really low and bargains can be had. Ironically, Hartley Peavey was the first to use CNC machines to make quality guitars and that is a huge reason the newer Epiphones are so good compared to the previous import models.

I'd like a Dot so I could take it out and thrash it with impunity, my 86 335 Studio stays at home because it's fully intact with no headstock break and I would not be happy to have it broken. A Dot? I'd be annoyed but I'd get over it. That's the beauty of the Epiphones, you can take them out and use them!


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Originally Posted by Marzzz
Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Wait...what? Tele-shaped Gibson???? drool

Sigh...it just never stops, does it? facepalm
Or, a Telegib!
And true to the topic of this thread, the purple guitar will be here Friday...


idk facepalm noway

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Originally Posted by CEB
I bought an old black Sheraton II at a pawn shop. I knew what mods I would do to it to get it where I thought I would like it. I haven’t changed a thing. The old guitar is perfectly fine stock. I wonder if it has Gibson pickups. It’s an old Korean Epi.

If it's old (before about 2008 or so) & Korean it's most likely built by Peerless, who make very fine mid-market guitars. They made the Gretsch Historic & Electromatic series instruments which are quite nice affordable instruments.


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I bought an old black Sheraton II at a pawn shop. I knew what mods I would do to it to get it where I thought I would like it. I haven’t changed a thing. The old guitar is perfectly fine stock. I wonder if it has Gibson pickups. It’s an old Korean Epi.

If it's old (before about 2008 or so) & Korean it's most likely built by Peerless, who make very fine mid-market guitars. They made the Gretsch Historic & Electromatic series instruments which are quite nice affordable instruments.

@CEB - Here's a useful link to find out when and where your Guitar was made. This site has proved to be a very reliable source. General rule of thumb for MIK Epiphones, if the serial # starts with an "S", the Guitar was made by Samick, "U" means it was made by Peerless (IIRC), not sure what the letter code for Cort was?

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
I've played my buddy's $5k 335, and while his is definitely in a different league than my Dot, I'm shocked my how much of that magic mine delivers.

A high-up from Gibson once told me that one of their biggest fears is that more people might figure out the many Epiphones are 90% as good as their Gibson counterparts.

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I bought an Epi ES-175 Premium a few years ago that came stock with USA made 57 Gibson humbuckers and upgraded Gibson 500k pots. It cost $1,000 and keeps up with it's $4,000 Gibson counterparts. The guitar is made in Korea and assembled with US parts here in the US. It is very cool to have this type of quality at an affordable price. I think Gibson is in on the fear factor. If I had a real Gibson 175, it would stay at home while I banged around town with the Epi LOL! cool


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The main issue for me with the DOT vs 335 argument is that both are made with Maple laminate; neither one has a solid top, back, nor sides. Nothing can convince me that American "plywood", to put it crudely, is worth several thousand dollars more than Korean plywood.

Maybe if I were playing in a major Jazz club, and making good money at it, I could see the value in fronting a Gibson logo . . . maybe, but I doubt it. My DOT cost me $300US when it was new, plus 5% tax, so $315 in all; I still see used ones selling for that much, or more. Even some of the used DOT Studio models are selling for $250-325, which is more than I'd pay for one, but still, how often do you see an import Guitar that holds its value, while it's still a current model?

FWIW, I'm less impressed with many of the other Epiphone models, at least in their solid-body lines. Neither the Les Pauls nor the SG's (G-400) have ever quite measured up for me, in sound nor feel. The DOT is the only Epiphone model I've hung onto.


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The main issue for me with the DOT vs 335 argument is that both are made with Maple laminate; neither one has a solid top, back, nor sides. Nothing can convince me that American "plywood", to put it crudely, is worth several thousand dollars more than Korean plywood.

Maybe if I were playing in a major Jazz club, and making good money at it, I could see the value in fronting a Gibson logo . . . maybe, but I doubt it. My DOT cost me $300US when it was new, plus 5% tax, so $315 in all; I still see used ones selling for that much, or more. Even some of the used DOT Studio models are selling for $250-325, which is more than I'd pay for one, but still, how often do you see an import Guitar that holds its value, while it's still a current model?

FWIW, I'm less impressed with many of the other Epiphone models, at least in their solid-body lines. Neither the Les Pauls nor the SG's (G-400) have ever quite measured up for me, in sound nor feel. The DOT is the only Epiphone model I've hung onto.

While the Gibson name holds value, I agree with your assessment. My choice of the Gibson Studio model was based on three things - bearing in mind this was in 1987-8. One, it has a FAT 50's style neck. That is still more towards the small side for my huge hands but the slimmer necks are simply not my flavor. Two, an unbound ebony fretboard. That made refretting it with gigantic frets very easy. Last but not least, the owner of the small used guitar shop (remember those?), knew me and was willing to sell it for $400 and take payments.

One great thing about the Epiphone Dot is you can hot-rod it to your hearts content and play it anywhere without fear for your "investment". Locking tuners have meant I can take one guitar to a gig, string changes if/when they happen are super fast and easy. I like EMG pickups and only one volume control. I'd gut the wiring on an Epi in a heartbeat without a second thought. I love the sound of locking bridge hardware on my 335, it makes it more "Les Paul-ish), especially on the neck pickup. There is little or no risk of compromising the value of a Dot, you can just make it your own and play it. That is a value-added feature to me!


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I bought an old black Sheraton II at a pawn shop. I knew what mods I would do to it to get it where I thought I would like it. I haven’t changed a thing. The old guitar is perfectly fine stock. I wonder if it has Gibson pickups. It’s an old Korean Epi.

If it's old (before about 2008 or so) & Korean it's most likely built by Peerless, who make very fine mid-market guitars. They made the Gretsch Historic & Electromatic series instruments which are quite nice affordable instruments.

@CEB - Here's a useful link to find out when and where your Guitar was made. This site has proved to be a very reliable source. General rule of thumb for MIK Epiphones, if the serial # starts with an "S", the Guitar was made by Samick, "U" means it was made by Peerless (IIRC), not sure what the letter code for Cort was?

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Thanks. I never knew any of that. I guess my Sheraton is a Peerless. The SN# starts with U07060***.

Apparently the guitar was built in June 2007 in the Unsung factory in Korea. I like the guitar.

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I bought an old black Sheraton II at a pawn shop. I knew what mods I would do to it to get it where I thought I would like it. I haven’t changed a thing. The old guitar is perfectly fine stock. I wonder if it has Gibson pickups. It’s an old Korean Epi.

If it's old (before about 2008 or so) & Korean it's most likely built by Peerless, who make very fine mid-market guitars. They made the Gretsch Historic & Electromatic series instruments which are quite nice affordable instruments.

@CEB - Here's a useful link to find out when and where your Guitar was made. This site has proved to be a very reliable source. General rule of thumb for MIK Epiphones, if the serial # starts with an "S", the Guitar was made by Samick, "U" means it was made by Peerless (IIRC), not sure what the letter code for Cort was?

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Hmmm; what's the general consensus on Peerless-made vs Samick-made MIK Epiphones?


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I don’t know. I just have the one Korean guitar. I think it’s a much better guitar than my Chinese Baby Casino. (Casino Coupe).

The Casino Coupe seems to have a dead spot in the neck between 10th-15th position. Maybe that is just the nature of a small body Casino or any Casino or 330. To be fair I like the Casino and thought I could use it the whole night. I liked the way it talked back to the amp but I tried to play the solo to Dead Eye Dick’s song New Age Girl but there are some runs starting on the 7th bar and it just sort of dies out. Wrong tool for the wrong job.

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I don’t know. I just have the one Korean guitar. I think it’s a much better guitar than my Chinese Baby Casino. (Casino Coupe).

The Casino Coupe seems to have a dead spot in the neck between 10th-15th position. Maybe that is just the nature of a small body Casino or any Casino or 330. To be fair I like the Casino and thought I could use it the whole night. I liked the way it talked back to the amp but I tried to play the solo to Dead Eye Dick’s song New Age but there are some runs starting on the 7th bar and it just sort of dies out. Wrong tool for the wrong job.

I am not exactly sure why so many hollowbody electric guitars exhibit these inconsistencies - dead spots and live spots. I've owned a few different ones and they all seem to do it to some extent.

It took us a while but we finally convinced our bassist to stop playing his Beatle bass copy and another hollowbody he has. One note will BOOM and the next one you can barely hear.
He's back to solid bodies and the problems have vanished.


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Originally Posted by Caevan O'Shite
Hmmm; what's the general consensus on Peerless-made vs Samick-made MIK Epiphones?

Don't know if it's a consensus, but I have 3 archtop Epiphones which all have the same body: an Emperor Regent, a Zephyr Blues Deluxe, & a Broadway. They differ in the pickup complement, & a spruce top on the Emperor, while the others are maple. The Emperor & Zephyr are Peerless, & the Broadway is Samick. I like & play them all equally. I don't see any quality distinction between them. Peerless have a reputation for quality at affordable prices, but I have to say I can find no faults whatsoever with the Samick.


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Hmmm; what's the general consensus on Peerless-made vs Samick-made MIK Epiphones?

Overall, the Korean-made Epiphone semi-hollow Guitars were very well regarded. When I was selling Epiphones, we'd get a lot of serious players who'd buy a DOT or a Sheraton and drop Gibson pickups in them. Bear in mind that the Gibson pickups cost as much or more than a DOT by itself, and it was still cheaper than buying a 335.

I've had a number of Epiphone models, over time, mostly LP & SG models, but I've also tried a couple of Bass models, the Thunderbird and the EB-0. Both of the Basses were pretty awful, for sound and playability. Guitars have been a mixed bag, nothing truly awful, but not inspiring, either. I had one Ivory G-400 for a while, and it was nice, just not quite up to my other SG's. Eventually, I traded it in for something else?

Of all the Epiphone Guitars I've had over time, the DOT is the only one I've kept, and it's not going anywhere . . . I recently ordered a Schaller Roller Bridge for it, one of my favorite after-market upgrade parts. Schaller is now offering the Roller Bridge with a set of posts that will retro-fit import Guitars, as well, so you can upgrade your Epi, LTD, or what-have-you, without drilling and routing.


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Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
Overall, the Korean-made Epiphone semi-hollow Guitars were very well regarded. When I was selling Epiphones, we'd get a lot of serious players who'd buy a DOT or a Sheraton and drop Gibson pickups in them. Bear in mind that the Gibson pickups cost as much or more than a DOT by itself, and it was still cheaper than buying a 335.

+1 I talked a buddy into dropping in a pair of 57 Gibson pups into his Epi Sheraton and upgrading the pots. He liked the upgrade so much that he has done it to a couple more of his guitars. Not cheap at $160 for each pup. A lot of guys have upgraded MIM Strats, Squiers, etc. But a few serious players were into upgrading the Epi's. They could get the cheaper guitars and make them sound great as the pups really make the difference. Epi is doing the upgrades for you these days using US made humbuckers and P90's. They cost a bit more but are still way cheaper than a Gibson counterpart. cool


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That’s where I’m at right now. I have some high value guitars. Mostly Fender stuff. I’m old and it’s stuff I bought when I was young before it became vintage but I’m not taking the stuff out anymore. I’ll take a Tele or two ( usually a Baja 50s model and an Esquire build I did last year) But my workhorses are a pair of modded up 600 series Yamaha Pacificas. They’re made in Indonesia. They feel like my old 70s 4 bolt Strat. I swapped bridge pickups and installed momentary kill switches. For the most part they needed nothing. They were good enough off the rack. I just don’t leave stuff alone.

All this Epiphone talk I got the Sheraton out and been playing it this week while on vacation.

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That’s where I’m at right now. I have som high value guitars. Mostly Fender stuff. I’m old and it’s stuff I bought when I was young before it became vintage but I’m not taking the stuff out anymore. I’ll take a Tele or two ( usually a Baja 50s model and an Esquire build I did last year) But my workhorses are a pair of modded up 600 series Yamaha’s. Their made in Indonesia. They feel like my old 70s 4 bolt Strat. I swapped bridge pickups and installed momentary kill switches. For the most part they needed nothing. They were good enough off the rack. I just don’t leave stuff alone.

All this Epiphone talk I got the Sheraton out and been playing it this week while on vacation.

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All y'all with your sweet semi-hollows are making me want one!!!
I love my Gibson but I don't want to risk it at some of the places we played back when there were gigs.
It's not a NEED but it is a WANT!!!!

Got a beater parts Strat customized to the hilt, love it. Not the same tone or feel as a semi-hollow. I guess I'll just keep spankin' the plank...


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All this Epiphone talk I got the Sheraton out and been playing it this week while on vacation.

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Damn, brother, that is nice, always loved the Black w/Gold hardware look!


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That is GORGEOUS, Kuru! I love the black and gold.

So, I mentioned to my good friend Stan that I was selling one of my Poly Evolver synths. He wants a Poly Evolver...one thing led to another, and this is now on it's way here.

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That is GORGEOUS, Kuru! I love the black and gold.

So, I mentioned to my good friend Stan that I was selling one of my Poly Evolver synths. He wants a Poly Evolver...one thing led to another, and this is now on it's way here.

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Dammit. wall

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Well, it's not mine!!!! It's CEB's guitar and yes, it is GORGEOUS!!!! Photo of mine attached, it's pretty too. 86 Gibson ES335 Studio - red and gold.

You are going to LOVE that SG!!!! That's one of the high end models. Full access to the entire neck and some fat sounding screamer/creamer pickups. Plus, they don't hum. Awesome guitar, Sir Dave - well done.

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And true to the topic of this thread, the purple guitar will be here Friday...


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That is GORGEOUS, Kuru! I love the black and gold.

So, I mentioned to my good friend Stan that I was selling one of my Poly Evolver synths. He wants a Poly Evolver...one thing led to another, and this is now on it's way here.

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Dammit. wall

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This picture makes me ask...what version of the SG is that?

I ask because I once walked into my FLMS and they had a trio of SGs that looked like that, except they had metal flake finishes. One was that same shade of blue, the others were ruby red and emerald green. They were flawless. I was thinking hard about getting one, but decided to sleep on it. When I went back a few days later, someone had purchased all three.


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And true to the topic of this thread, the purple guitar will be here Friday...


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That is an awesome Tele!!!!


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That is an awesome Tele!!!!
Thanks! That is actually a TA Cobra- mahogany/maple top, 24 3/4" scale

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That is spectacular, Marshall! I'm way jealous. I'm sure you'll enjoy that... rocker

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Well, it's not mine!!!! It's CEB's guitar and yes, it is GORGEOUS!!!!
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You are going to LOVE that SG!!!! That's one of the high end models. Full access to the entire neck and some fat sounding screamer/creamer pickups. Plus, they don't hum. Awesome guitar, Sir Dave - well done.
Damn...now I'm even more psyched. Thank you, brother!

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This picture makes me ask...what version of the SG is that?

I ask because I once walked into my FLMS and they had a trio of SGs that looked like that, except they had metal flake finishes. One was that same shade of blue, the others were ruby red and emerald green. They were flawless. I was thinking hard about getting one, but decided to sleep on it. When I went back a few days later, someone had purchased all three.
Stan sez it's a 2006 reissue of a 1961 model. I've seen a bunch of them in Pelham Blue, but the Sapphire seems pretty rare.

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Stan sez it's a 2006 reissue of a 1961 model. I've seena bunch of them in Pelham Blue, but the Sapphire seems pretty rare.

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So technically, it is a reissue of a 61 Les Paul guitar but in 2006 Gibson had resumed building the original Les Paul guitars and Les Paul was still alive. He was famous for not liking the SG much plus his pending divorce with Mary Ford made him want to reduce his income for the settlement so he cancelled his contract with Gibson.

They made SG "Les Pauls through 1962 or so if I am not mistaken. A friend of mine has one of the SG Les Paul Jr. guitars from the same era and it is a great playing and sounding guitar with a fat neck and one of those P-90s that injures the guitar amp and makes it howl.

2006 was a great year for Gibsons, that will be a sweet axe and it's a cool color!


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2006, eh? Sounds about right. And if the metal flake colors were so rare AND that was a good production year, I can see why someone snapped all three up.


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That is spectacular, Marshall! I'm way jealous. I'm sure you'll enjoy that... rocker
Fortunately, my wife gives full approval because she loves the color! duck

Wood like that top is just too beautiful to be hatin' on it!!!!


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That is spectacular, Marshall! I'm way jealous. I'm sure you'll enjoy that... rocker
Fortunately, my wife gives full approval because she loves the color! duck
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I SO get that. My wife loves the Blueberry burst Dot - especially the flame top.

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Now it’s time to start buying amps. 😀

Them's fightin" words!!!!! laugh

A good few guitars have found homes here, amps have come and gone for the most part. I would have done well to keep all the vintage stuff but the quest for something "better" has caused an amp cycle around these parts.

My tastes and needs have changed in 40+ years of gigging, so has what's on offer. It''s an evolutionary process. Some obvious things have been sussed out, others remain nebulous.

I am down to 9 now and am slowly processing the idea of having two different modern solid state amps with multiple effects for stereo guitar.

There are at least 3 amps that need new homes - two of those are vintage tube "clones." I keep them so I can use them to test a considerable stash of vintage tubes first - that is a long process.

I'd like one of the modern, small, light, loud and amazing sounding bass amps but my bassist will let me borrow one if I have a gig. Bass gigs are not that common so I'll probably just borrow.

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I have too many amps and I’m getting an itch to build a 5E3 with a Celestion Blue. Priced speakers today. I sure didn’t realize that was a $280 driver.

Right now I’m not using an amp to gig with. Playing through a Helix direct to the desk.

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I have too many amps and I’m getting an itch to build a 5E3 with a Celestion Blue. Priced speakers today. I sure didn’t realize that was a $280 driver.

Long ago and far away, I had a couple of those. My brother bought one that had been spray painted black at a garage sale for $20.
I bought a TV front Deluxe at the swap meet once for $15, then the cats used it as a scratching post.

I also had a late 50's Harvard, sort of a Deluxe with 1-10 or a Princeton thingie. It sounded great dimed!!!!

Tons of overpriced and overrated (IMHO) speakers out there and Celestion is flogging their name. Eminence offers better value, just for one. I've never tried their speaker with the built in attenuator but that might be nice for a Deluxe since you have to turn them pretty loud to get that tone and cranking the speaker down might get the volume to a more sensible range.
I'm also a fan of the Peavey Scorpion speaker, you can find used for less than 1/4 of what that Celestion costs and I like the sound of it better by far but it's pretty efficient.

JBL G125-8 is a fantastic guitar speaker, unknown and under-rated. It will make your Deluxe build so loud you can barely stand it though.

One of my two clones is a converted Hammond organ amp with the original transformers - a 5D3 Deluxe circuit (modded). The Hammond came with EL84 outputs but the circuit is very similar to 6V6 so the builder converted it. All true point to point hand-wired, matched vintage output tubes. The builder jumpered the two channels internally and made one of them brighter than the other. You can dial in either or both, just those two knobs and a tone knob. It's a great amp but I just don't play that loud anymore. I've thought about putting my JBL in a bass cab, it makes a great bass speaker - and using the Deluxe for a home recording bass amp. All the fat and grind you'd ever want.

My other clone is a converted hi-fi amp with orginal transformers. A hand wired point to point clone of the original Vox AC-15 Top Cut circuit. The tone knob does nothing, the volume and top cut both work. It has the EF86 preamp tube - double the gain of a 12ax7. It can get evil but again, louder than I want to be on stage. Very different tone with the EF86.

I never use either of them, my experience with tubes is that the amps can be very reliable but tubes will wet the bed sooner or later. I've had too many problems at gigs to ever use a tube amp again, I just want reliable.

Current main gigger is the Boss Katana 100 Combo set for 1/2 watt. That allows the output section to run hard enough to start sounding really good. It isn't "just like tubes" but it isn't the cliched "solid state, thin yet harsh" tone either. I really like it and the speaker simulated line out run through a Whirlwind IMP2 sounds just like the amp speaker coming through the PA. It's more than good enough. Cheers, Kuru


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So, after a half a day of playing, I'm thinking this may be my favorite one yet. The feel and especially the tone of this guitar are nothing short of fabulous. Just about everything I play on it makes me grin. Dinner was a half hour late last night because I couldn't put the thing down. I was already picking on it around 7AM this morning (at low volume, of course).
...and the look of it just kills me. love rocker

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It was inevitable, at some point all of us find our happy place. You can play anything on that guitar, now it's all right there in your hands.

I've always had at least one Tele laying around, always with a fat neck. I play and enjoy other electric guitars and my Tele is massivly boogered to my tastes but it's still a Tele and I still favor it.
I sorta feel bad flogging a Strat lately...

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Congrats Dave, she's a beauty! It's fun to be in love again! thu


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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
So, after a half a day of playing, I'm thinking this may be my favorite one yet. The feel and especially the tone of this guitar are nothing short of fabulous. Just about everything I play on it makes me grin. Dinner was a half hour late last night because I couldn't put the thing down. I was already picking on it around 7AM this morning (at low volume, of course).
...and the look of it just kills me. love rocker
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I am not of fan of Gibson guitars, but if I had to choose one it would be an SG without question. The TA Cobra I just purchased fits nicely into that tonal slot for me.

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Originally Posted by CEB
Now it’s time to start buying amps. 😀
Kemper Profiler!

My wife works from home (for the past 15 years, not just recently) so I have to be quiet around the house, especially when she is on deadline. I have owned several Mesa Boogie amps in the past, most recently a Lonestar 2x12 combo, then an Electrodyne 1x12. Even in low power mode, those things were so EFFING LOUD that even with the volume at 0.5, just enough to push it through to the power amp, it was just too much. I tried various "headphone" solutions including a Line 6 Pod and an Apogee Jam into Garage Band or Guitar Pro, and it just didn't do it for me. The Kemper Profiler sounds amazing (especially the clean tones) even through headphones, makes it easy to record, you can get a powered version with cab if you play out, and best of all can sound like almost any amp, to the point where you can decide what actual tube amp you would like based on the profiles. Christoph Kemper has been continually introducing firmware updates, the next major addition will be an acoustic guitar simulation, to make your electric sound like an acoustic. Uncanny...

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Now it’s time to start buying amps. 😀
Kemper Profiler!

My wife works from home (for the past 15 years, not just recently) so I have to be quiet around the house, especially when she is on deadline. I have owned several Mesa Boogie amps in the past, most recently a Lonestar 2x12 combo, then an Electrodyne 1x12. Even in low power mode, those things were so EFFING LOUD that even with the volume at 0.5, just enough to push it through to the power amp, it was just too much. I tried various "headphone" solutions including a Line 6 Pod and an Apogee Jam into Garage Band or Guitar Pro, and it just didn't do it for me. The Kemper Profiler sounds amazing (especially the clean tones) even through headphones, makes it easy to record, you can get a powered version with cab if you play out, and best of all can sound like almost any amp, to the point where you can decide what actual tube amp you would like based on the profiles. Christoph Kemper has been continually introducing firmware updates, the next major addition will be an acoustic guitar simulation, to make your electric sound like an acoustic. Uncanny...

I want a Kemper!!!! I watched the Doug and Pat Show on YouTube where they had a friend with a Kemper come in and model their beloved Vox AC10 and it blew their minds.

I've had 9 Mesa amps, even the 5:25 Express with 1-10 set to the 5 watt single-ended position was too loud for doodling in my multi-unit condo complex. My current favorite home amps are Peavey Vypyr VIP - 1 and 3. I LOVE TransTube, I think it is Hartley Peavey's greatest contribution, it's been 25 years since the first TransTube amps and they've really got it down - analog solid state emulating tubes. All the fun effects are built in, you can dial up just about anythnig and play at low volumes with a convincing tone. The VIP 1 needed a good 10" speaker - Weber Neo-Mag, now it sounds great. Just gotta figure out the Sanpera thing and I may just mic it up and gig with it.


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On the amp front, I have a Fender HRD and an Orange TH30. I bought the Orange to handle metal tones the Fender couldn’t touch. But because of real-world complications, I haven’t been able to actual PLAY the damn thing since I brought it home for Christmas...2017. It got played in the store, so I know it works. But...

I say that to say this: I have a short list of amps I’d love to own- from makers like Quilter, Mesa, Supro, Peavey, Carvin, etc.- but I promised myself I wouldn’t buy ANY until the Orange gets some love.


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I have too many amps and I’m getting an itch to build a 5E3 with a Celestion Blue. Priced speakers today. I sure didn’t realize that was a $280 driver.

Well worth the price. I have a repro Vox 2x12 cabinet from NorthCoastMusic.com with a set of Celestion Blues. The Weber alnico speakers sound great and are cheaper, that's what I use in my tweed 5F10 Harvard.

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Right now I’m not using an amp to gig with.

Modelers aren't completely reliable either. My Vox Valvetronix failed at a gig. Effects Insert jacks went bad. They are poor quality jacks - since I never use them, I just opened it up and hard wired them from send to return.

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Playing through a Helix direct to the desk.

Currently gigging my Valvetronix head (not combo) into a vintage Groove Tubes Speaker Emulator, direct into FOH. Great sounding box. No guitar cabinet needed.

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I also had a late 50's Harvard, sort of a Deluxe with 1-10 or a Princeton thingie. It sounded great dimed!!!!

Deluxe has a tone recovery tube, 5F10 Harvard doesn't. Different plate voltage too. Different sound but both sound great.

But those 5F10 Harvards sound louder than ten watts!!! My amp is here, found a fixer-upper for a good price.

Harvard used a single triode 6AT6 in the preamp stage, basically 1/2 a 12AU7. No other Fender amp used that tube. I landed a pile of NOS 6AT6 tubes (various OEMs Sylvania, GE, etc) including some 6AV6 with higher gain. But if you have too much gain (like 6AV6 with a hot 12AX7 in the PI), the Harvard flubs out and it doesn't sound pretty. DON'T use a 6AU6, that is a pentode not a triode and is not compatible.

Changing tubes in the phase inverter can alter the tone. Cathodyne phase inverters in the tweed amps were more sensitive to tubes than the long tailed phase inverter in the bigger Bassman and Twin amps. The cathodyne PI introduces distortion of its own, you can hear it when changing tubes. Almost nobody experiments with that tube. I settled with a GE 5751 in the PI, that tube is selected for "matched" triodes which makes the amp sound fuller.

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Tons of overpriced and overrated (IMHO) speakers out there and Celestion is flogging their name.

My Harvard was missing the original driver, it came with a 60s Jensen ceramic speaker which is not period accurate. I replaced it with a Weber alnico 20w speaker and it sounds great.

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Current main gigger is the Boss Katana 100 Combo set for 1/2 watt. That allows the output section to run hard enough to start sounding really good. It isn't "just like tubes" but it isn't the cliched "solid state, thin yet harsh" tone either. I really like it and the speaker simulated line out run through a Whirlwind IMP2 sounds just like the amp speaker coming through the PA. It's more than good enough. Cheers, Kuru

My Valvetronix amp - the 1st version "blue face" - has a tube in the power amp section. I can hear the tone improvement with the master volume above 7, the power amp started crunching and sounds fuller. Power tube distortion is often overlooked in amp modelers. I don't use a guitar cabinet onstage, I go direct into FOH using a Groove Tubes Speaker Emulator. I have a Red Box and that sounds great but is missing the inductive load of the GT.

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Deluxe has a tone recovery tube, 5F10 Harvard doesn't. Different plate voltage too. Different sound but both sound great.

But those 5F10 Harvards sound louder than ten watts!!! My amp is here, found a fixer-upper for a good price.

Harvard used a single triode 6AT6 in the preamp stage, basically 1/2 a 12AU7. No other Fender amp used that tube. I landed a pile of NOS 6AT6 tubes (various OEMs Sylvania, GE, etc) including some 6AV6 with higher gain. But if you have too much gain (like 6AV6 with a hot 12AX7 in the PI), the Harvard flubs out and it doesn't sound pretty. DON'T use a 6AU6, that is a pentode not a triode and is not compatible.

Changing tubes in the phase inverter can alter the tone. Cathodyne phase inverters in the tweed amps were more sensitive to tubes than the long tailed phase inverter in the bigger Bassman and Twin amps. The cathodyne PI introduces distortion of its own, you can hear it when changing tubes. Almost nobody experiments with that tube. I settled with a GE 5751 in the PI, that tube is selected for "matched" triodes which makes the amp sound fuller.

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Tons of overpriced and overrated (IMHO) speakers out there and Celestion is flogging their name.

My Harvard was missing the original driver, it came with a 60s Jensen ceramic speaker which is not period accurate. I replaced it with a Weber alnico 20w speaker and it sounds great.

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Current main gigger is the Boss Katana 100 Combo set for 1/2 watt. That allows the output section to run hard enough to start sounding really good. It isn't "just like tubes" but it isn't the cliched "solid state, thin yet harsh" tone either. I really like it and the speaker simulated line out run through a Whirlwind IMP2 sounds just like the amp speaker coming through the PA. It's more than good enough. Cheers, Kuru

My Valvetronix amp - the 1st version "blue face" - has a tube in the power amp section. I can hear the tone improvement with the master volume above 7, the power amp started crunching and sounds fuller. Power tube distortion is often overlooked in amp modelers. I don't use a guitar cabinet onstage, I go direct into FOH using a Groove Tubes Speaker Emulator. I have a Red Box and that sounds great but is missing the inductive load of the GT.


My Harvard is long since gone.
I agree on the PI tube, it is overlooked and important. I have a nice stash of vintage tubes.
12AT7 can also be a good sounding PI. Pretty safe swap, has never given me problems.

The Vox circuit is unique, I've owned a couple of Vox amps and found the overall build quality and access to the tube when it failed (which it did) to be cautionary and now somebody else's problem.
I did like the AC 15 modelling, it was a good sound.

Our PA system is simple so an onstage speaker is a must. The Katana is by far the biggest and heaviest combo I use now - 31 pounds is doable. Lately I've been playing a Roland Cube 40gx - 40 watts and 1-10" speaker. That is more than enough. It shuts the speaker off to use the speaker sim line out so I mic it or we are playing a small place as a duo and the speaker is more than enough for the room.
The Katana line out sounds fantastic and there the same switch that has 100-50-1/2 watts also has bypass for silent stage.
My Peavey Envoy 110 also has a great sounding speaker sim DI, that's 40 watts and 1-10 and TransTube, which is my favorte modeling so far. The Tech 21 stuff is excellent too. Both Peavey and Tech 21 use analog circuits for amp models, it feels better to me than the Katana.


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In the amp department: Fender 410 Hot Rod Deville, Fender 112 Hot Rod Deluxe, ZT Club 12, Roland Street Cube EX, Fender 112 Deluxe Tone Master...Fender Floor Pedal Direct to my Carvin PA (s), Fishman Solo Amp.
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So...how am I doing? rocker

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
So...how am I doing? rocker
Can't seem to get away from black and blue finishes... idk
I am kinda envious that you can keep your guitars out like that. Here in the desert, where current relative humidity is literally 8%, they have to stay in their cases with humidifiers.

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+1 Marzzz, I start to worry when the humidity drops below 30 and/or above 50...I can't imagine 8% ! crazy


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Black and blue are good colors. For me it depends on what colors i tend to wear. Mostly I favor darker hues so lighter and brigher guitars stand out more.

Was on a red kick for a while there, still have red basses. Yesterday an Epi ES335 Pro came up on craigslist for $300 with HSC. I want it but the timing is wrong. Plus, it will need a fat neck, like my Studio model.

Looked nice though and I would not hesitate to gig with it.


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We had a lighting director who dislike dark colors. He hated black drums. I would usually wear white slacks, white fedora but a black shirt because I was fat. He loved reflective color.

The best light guys smoke weed. 😀


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We had a lighting director who dislike dark colors. He hated black drums. I would usually wear white slacks, white fedora but a black shirt because I was fat. He loved reflective color.

The best light guys smoke weed. 😀

Maybe I should consider a second career . . .


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I don’t know... it’s just been my experience that the really good ones smoked a lot of weed. Maybe it helps establish a good frame of mind for visualizing and programming all those scenes.

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
So, after a half a day of playing, I'm thinking this may be my favorite one yet. The feel and especially the tone of this guitar are nothing short of fabulous. Just about everything I play on it makes me grin. Dinner was a half hour late last night because I couldn't put the thing down. I was already picking on it around 7AM this morning (at low volume, of course).
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That's a beauty!!!

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I promised myself - and the wife - that I wouldn't buy any more guitars... because I have all the bases covered and some redundancies...

but a couple of days ago the G.A.S. hit and I bought one of the Squier Classic Vibe Bass VI things when offered at a decent (cheap) price.

Hey, it's not a "guitar!"

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I hemmed and hawed for a long time over Bass VI choices, and one of the ones I was interested in got discontinued. I ended up taking a risk on the latest version (third rev!) of Schecter's Hellcat VI and am quite pleased. Great pickups, good feel and sound, and excellent workmanship.

The Squier was my backup choice if it didn't work out; the most recent Fender model didn't hit all the right buttons for me.

I think of the Bass VI a more of a low-tuned Baritone Guitar than as a traditional Bass Guitar role.

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2006 was a great year for Gibsons

My LP G0 is my best guitar and it was made in 2006, no argument there.

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I forget what year my Les Paul Gold Top Custom Shop model is, as I bought it barely-used in 2013, and am too busy to let myself go down any rabbit holes so am not going to try to research it now, but the S/N is #711681. My recollection is that Custom Shop serial numbers follow a different pattern and have to be looked up differently than standard models. Best LP I've ever played!


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I hemmed and hawed for a long time over Bass VI choices, and one of the ones I was interested in got discontinued. I ended up taking a risk on the latest version (third rev!) of Schecter's Hellcat VI and am quite pleased. Great pickups, good feel and sound, and excellent workmanship.

The Squier was my backup choice if it didn't work out; the most recent Fender model didn't hit all the right buttons for me.

I think of the Bass VI a more of a low-tuned Baritone Guitar than as a traditional Bass Guitar role.

I got an Antigua Squier Baritone Jazzmaster a couple of years ago on clearance for $250... and then a guy I play guitar for had a new song he'd just recorded with a baritone guitar solo (which he achieved by just tuning down a guitar for recording) and said "I guess just play it a normal guitar pitch... unless you have a baritone guitar laying around," which I was able to say "oh, yeah... I do." That particular model and finish is apparently now super popular with "Djent Metal" (an ideophonic term for the palm-muted power chords they use) bands so the resale value has soared for them.

I play bass in a friend's Elvis cover band sometimes, and the Bass VI will come in handy for some of that material, like "The Devil In Disguise"... of if I do more Beatles' White Album, Abbey Road, Let It Be shows... or Cure or New Order cover stuff... of just for recording or as an idea-generator.

I always thought Jack Bruce just used a Bass VI for lip sync TV things only, but I find that if you play it with your fingers it does sound like a normal bass, with a pick it gets distinctly twangy, though. It's been fun to goof around with, so far.

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I wanted one of those Bari JM's; they are hard to come by. My next Bari might be the just-revised hardtail version of the Gretsch Jet. I owned the older Bigsby version but this one is made better, is semi-hollow vs. solid, different pickups, and the hardtail design makes it sound way different even from the new version of the Bigsby model. It's one of the few longer-scale baritones on the market.


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