stoken6 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Hello all, I posted in this thread (CLONK) about advice for a small mixer that could serve as a USB audio interface as well as small-scale live PA. On further research, I found several opinions stating "don't waste your money, get a proper audio interface not a mixer". My questions: 1. Would the latency of a dedicated audio interface be lower than that of a "typical" USB-equipped mixer like the Alto 802? 2. Would this still be the case for class-compliant audio interfaces and class-compliant USB mixers? (I'm looking for something that can connect to my iPhone, and I would assume that latency is more a function of the driver than the hardware). Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 It's hard to say because it depends both on the hardware and the designer/developer's commitment to driver development on your operating system. I would suggest asking yourself how many inputs would you need at once, and how many tracks would you be recording at once? Then select an interface from a reputable company with a reputation for excellent drivers and support. If you can share this information, plus what operating system you are based on and your budget - we can make suggestions. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 Thanks Elmer, I just need two inputs, of which one is a mic, for recording/audio-interface purposes, recording one track at a time. (I was thinking about a mixer simply because a USB-equipped mixer doesn't cost much more than a reputable audio interface, and can pull double duty in live PA). OS is Windows and iOS. Budget is c. $150-200 Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Then your answer is most definitely an interface. Your budget dictates your choices. I"d say Steinberg UR12 Presonus Audiobox IONE Both these interfaces are within your budget and support Win/MacOS/iOS Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mike Metlay Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Or you could have both! Check out the Yamaha AG03. It's a little tiny mixer with 3 inputs that is also a high-quality 24/192 audio interface. It would suit your purposes ideally, it's quite affordable, sounds great, and is built like a tank. Even the AG06, which has six inputs and some very nice and usable built-in effects, is within your budget. I swear by them. Quote Dr. Mike Metlay (PhD in nuclear physics, golly gosh) Musician, Author, Editor, Educator, Impresario, Online Radio Guy, Cut-Rate Polymath, and Kindly Pedant Editor-in-Chief, Bjooks ~ Author of SYNTH GEMS 1 clicky!: more about me ~ my radio station (and my fam) ~ my local tribe ~ my day job ~ my book ~ my music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groove On Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Budget is c. $150-200 Cheers, Mike. There's also the Yamaha MG10XU 10-Input Stereo Mixer which sells for around US$200. Similar to the Alto Live 802 Mixer. Personally, for live music, I feel much safer when my devices are dedicated to one task. If an all-in-one USB mixer goes down, it can leave you pretty high and dry. My live music setup includes: 2x audio interfaces (for backup) and a portable mixer - it's a pretty flexible for many situations. Portable Mixer: Yamaha MG06X Audio Interfaces: iRig Pro Duo and Mackie MDB-USB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Check my recent thread. https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/3039300/lowest-latency-usb-c-interface-for-stage-mainstage-etc#Post3039300 Almost all the interface options are in your budget and would do what you want (not sure 100% on iOS capabilities so you"d have to check that). Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76, PC4 (88) | Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Budget is c. $150-200 Cheers, Mike. There's also the Yamaha MG10XU 10-Input Stereo Mixer which sells for around US$200. Similar to the Alto Live 802 Mixer. Personally, for live music, I feel much safer when my devices are dedicated to one task. If an all-in-one USB mixer goes down, it can leave you pretty high and dry. My live music setup includes: 2x audio interfaces (for backup) and a portable mixer - it's a pretty flexible for many situations. Portable Mixer: Yamaha MG06X Audio Interfaces: iRig Pro Duo and Mackie MDB-USB I have a MG10XU and it"s pretty good. Windows can be weird but that"s not necessarily a driver problem as much as it might be my inexperience with Windows for Audio in the first place. I"m still going to say an interface would be better overall for sound quality etc. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76, PC4 (88) | Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marczellm Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Focusrite interfaces are popular in my circles. I'm happy with mine. Quote Life is subtractive.Genres: Jazz, funk, pop, Christian worship, BebHop Wishlist: 80s-ish (synth)pop, symph pop, prog rock, fusion, musical theatre Gear: NS2 + JUNO-G. KingKORG. SP6 at church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Sorry, for "small scale live PA" I imagined working with a band... like 12 inputs or better. Also, note: for iOS you're also going to need a lightning to USB adapter. And check carefully for iOS compatibility as mentioned above. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nightime Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I have the MG10XU as well, and it has been working perfectly as my interface. I haven't noticed ANY latency, and the quality is really good. Mine cost $269, but since it is a gigging board as well, I got the Sweetwater bundle that included a case and a couple 30' mic cables. I use it with Windows 10. The drivers that Yamaha has for it on their site installed and worked perfectly Quote "In the beginning, Adam had the blues, 'cause he was lonesome. So God helped him and created woman. Now everybody's got the blues." Willie Dixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkfloydcramer Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 I've just recently dipped my toe in the DAW waters so no claim to being an authority, but I think Audient iD14 would be a strong contender. Especially if you favor "color" vs transparency for vocals. It's DI for guitar is also getting good buzz (poor choice of words, sorry) but I have not been able to try it out. I believe DB uses an iD4, among others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Verelst Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 I can vouch for the MG series to be good and usable mixers and quality USB converters. You will get, say -80dBr peak amplitude from the mix rail into your ADC, and the audio regime my MG16XU governs your signals with isn't standard yamaha or like anything else. For me the quality without additional considerations was good enough not to complain about on my big monitoring system, which IMO makes it quite ok. The additional audio quality a separate USB interface (i.e. without the mixer) could give out for the money probably isn't of much use for musical or studio purposes, the Yamaha's are pretty good. They use Usb Audio Class 2.0 protocol which gets recognized in standard Linux. Windows has drivers, but should also just connect, don't know about Macs, Android probably is like Linux. Sampling frequency according to the UAC2 protocol is set by the clock generator in the interface, so that the Usb signals follow the device sample rate, with no audio sample rate conversion, which is the preferred method. Audio interfaces might have more attention to ADC/DAC quality at some level (for the same price), but the type and quality of the Yamaha is pretty good, so apart from input noise and some additional distortion (varies per audio level) I don't think it's a must to go separate interface. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 Thanks everyone. So on the subject of latency - I always assumed that class-compliant devices would all use the same driver, and so exhibit the same latency. Companies like RME have a reputation for low latency because of their proprietary drivers. Fair assumption? (I want class-compliant devices so I can use with iOS devices as well as Windows). And @Theo - your response was perfectly targeted. I'm not looking for the absolute ultimate in audio fidelity (how can I for $200?), it just has to be "good enough". Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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