Corona Virus thread

[Mr. Nightime]

We've been using Lysol Laundry Sanitizer for a while now, long before the outbreak. With our health problems, we felt it a good idea.

 

Looks like others have discovered it, as it's no longer on the shelves.

 

We have a very large WalMart right by our house, and they've closed 2 of the 3 entrances and restricted the number of customers allowed in the store.

 

Unfortunately, there are a lot of the customers that ignore the social distancing. We had masks on, as well as work gloves with latex palms and fingers, so we cold disinfect them right away. Carried Clorox wipes with us to make sure the cart was disinfected, and we could disinfect when we got back to the car.

 

We've decided to use the online shopping, and get a family member to pick it up for us, and drop it on our front porch, and stay completely away from the stores.

 

We found out last night that the 12 year old boy next door has it. He's been to the ER twice. Luckily, the closest we've been to them is saying hello from at least 75 feet away.

 

My work announced last night that we can expect to work from home for at least another couple months.

 

I Really Miss Gigging

[dsetto]

Anybody read good ideas on what opening up economy is going to look like in places that had relatively successful social distancing?

 

I presume effective social distancing translates to less % infected, greater % at risk. But having been a 'slow burn', a flattened curve, there"s less chance of overwhelming medical system and its ventilators.

 

My presumption is social distancing slowly, selectively fades out and life resumes with chance of getting infected, but a more sound safety net in the form of an available medical system.

 

And of course, the super hero vaccine. And medical treatments.

 

Thoughts?

[Docbop]

They are really pushing hard where I live that this is the week to stay at home unless absolutely necessary. So checked and none of the local grocery stores deliver or even do curbside pickup. I went to the ATM and there are now X's on the sidewalk and in the bank to show how much distance to give people. Coming home pass a Target store and people lined up outside waiting to get in and all spaced appropriately. I saw a few without masks and they don't realize they won't let them in. The city has ruled that masks have to be worn inside any building except homes and places are turning away people without masks.

 

Being out today was a emptiest I've seen it here, a very little cars out on the streets, and a few people out jogging. I was suppose to get my INR blood test today, but clinic said wait a couple more weeks then do it. Don't like idea of going near medical building with all this going on.

 

On the funny side the local barbershop's FB page has a picture of one of the women barbers now with a buzz cut, but really funny a whole lotta pictures from customers and from online of people giving themselves haircuts. I ordered a clipper so I will be joining the club of bad home haircuts. I told the barbershop they should open a drive-thru buzz cut business. drive up, stick your head out the window, buzz, buzz, buzz, and drive away.

 

As for the idiots saying staying home violates the Constitution no it violates humanity and trying to help all people to get through this tough time. Hey if you want to die screaming.... "but I have the right!!!" with your last breath go for it.

[bfields]

Anybody read good ideas on what opening up economy is going to look like in places that had relatively successful social distancing?

 

This is one thing I read on that question: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/upshot/coronavirus-four-benchmarks-reopening.html

 

One of the keys seems to be catching new outbreaks as early as possible. I'm kind of amused by this idea: https://news.umich.edu/a-sewage-surveillance-effort-to-track-covid-19/

[p19978]

The China virus death toll here in the US is still less than Swine Flu in '09. And let's not ignore the fact that the "cause of death" reporting is completely inaccurate.

 

We just lost almost $3T USD (that's TRILLION) to a variant of something the media completely ignored 11 years ago.

 

In addition, folks have waived their civil liberties to fight this: it'll be interesting to see what we never get back when all is said and done.

[stillearning]

The China virus death toll here in the US is still less than Swine Flu in '09. And let's not ignore the fact that the "cause of death" reporting is completely inaccurate.

 

We just lost almost $3T USD (that's TRILLION) to a variant of something the media completely ignored 11 years ago.

 

In addition, folks have waived their civil liberties to fight this: it'll be interesting to see what we never get back when all is said and done.

Might make more sense to compare numbers when Covid 19 is done. And I"m not an expert on how these things work, but I haven"t really heard anyone use the word 'lost' when referring to the bailout numbers. Regarding civil liberties, I"m very high risk with two open heart surgeries and intend to stay as healthy as possible. I"m simply viewing it as following medical advice and common sense. I wish everyone did.

[p19978]

I wasn't clear: The loss is economic output, not bailout: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-coronavirus-pandemic-global-economic-risk/

[El Lobo]

Regarding civil liberties, I"m very high risk with two open heart surgeries and intend to stay as healthy as possible. I"m simply viewing it as following medical advice and common sense. I wish everyone did.

+1000. I'm at very high risk too. I'm scared shiftless that this thing is gonna kill me. There's pushback against the stay home and shelter in place orders and people saying we should go out and gather because the orders are violating their constitutional rights. They are risking my life and the lives of others.

[Stokely]

The China virus death toll here in the US is still less than Swine Flu in '09. And let's not ignore the fact that the "cause of death" reporting is completely inaccurate.

 

We just lost almost $3T USD (that's TRILLION) to a variant of something the media completely ignored 11 years ago.

 

In addition, folks have waived their civil liberties to fight this: it'll be interesting to see what we never get back when all is said and done.

 

 

Right here is the bad thing about social distancing working. People pointing to the results and saying "see, this was overblown."

 

Fairly sure we know enough about this thing to say that if we had done nothing, both the number of lives lost AND the economic impact would have been catastrophic. But believe what you want of course.

 

This hasn't really gotten started in many areas, either.

 

We have been waiving our civil liberties away for a long time. Patriot act, anyone? Personally I am willing to do something for the greater good if it makes sense, but I might come down more on the "dirty socialist" scale than many in this country.

[Adan]

The China virus death toll here in the US is still less than Swine Flu in '09. And let's not ignore the fact that the "cause of death" reporting is completely inaccurate.

 

We just lost almost $3T USD (that's TRILLION) to a variant of something the media completely ignored 11 years ago.

 

In addition, folks have waived their civil liberties to fight this: it'll be interesting to see what we never get back when all is said and done.

 

 

If you want to be persuasive, as opposed to just dropping internet memes, you have to do a lot more explaining than that.

[Tom Williams]

but I might come down more on the "dirty socialist" scale than many in this country.

Don't worry -- you'll always be a clean socialist to me.

[ksoper]

The China virus...

 

It has a real name. COVID-19 (Novel Coronavirus)

 

 

...It'll be interesting to see what we never get back when all is said and done.

 

The people we lost. They won't be back.

 

I'm officially out of this thread.

[Adan]

 

I'm officially out of this thread.

 

Sorry to hear that, your posts have been thoughtful and heartfelt. Lobbing incendiary phrases as a substitute for reasoned arguments is, generally speaking, not what this forum is about.

[p19978]

Feel free to correct any errors... and yes, the China virus death toll will possibly surpass Swine Flu when all is said in done... but it hasn't yet and we just blew $3T when we did NOTHING for Swine Flu.

 

And btw, these are statements, not internet memes.

[p19978]

China virus vs Covid?

 

A deadly virus started in a country that lies to everyone. This allowed it to spread without anyone knowing, and the false information was given to doctors around the world, leading down a false tunnel and extensive wasted time.

 

Unless you believe some other theory... it started in China... just calling it what it is.

 

Are you implying something?

[nursers]

Yes - you are purposely using an inflammatory term and now trolling for criticism. Not what this thread is about.

[p19978]

China is a country, not a race.

 

But, using your logic... what race is America?

[Adan]

Feel free to correct any errors..

 

The gist of your argument is comparing the current situation to a hypothetical "business as usual" scenario and claiming that would be better. The only way to have a real discussion about that, as opposed to just spinning fantasies, is to look at countries that have taken a similar approach and try to account for any variables. Japan has been more business as usual than most other countries. Time will tell.

 

All governments should be held accountable for their mistakes in this pandemic, and China tops that list, but calling it "china virus" doesn't accomplish that.

[MAJUSCULE]

This is getting close to thread lockdown.

 

I'm also getting close to punching my screen.

[p19978]

All I'm doing is pointing out some OBVIOUS errors.

 

Switching gears slightly... truth/honesty sometimes can be VERY painful... and in this situation, tough decisions need to be made... tough questions need to be asked:

 

"How long do you shut down the world's most important economy to save 20k people?"

 

"What price does China pay for their role in this?"

 

"Why is the response to the China virus so different than the response to Swine flu?"

 

If you would rather me discontinue then so be it.

 

Good bye and good luck.

 

 

EDIT:

Mods: Feel free to delete any/all of my posts you believe to be "out of bounds"... but echo chambers are much more dangerous than me.

[zephonic]

Bending my own resolution to stay out of this thread, but I think this is important to share. I googled him, he appears to be legit, works at Maimonides Medical Center, Brooklyn, NY.

 

 

[video:youtube]

 

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200407/doctors-puzzle-over-covid19-lung-problems

[nursers]

Bending my own resolution to stay out of this thread, but I think this is important to share. I googled him, he appears to be legit, works at Maimonides Medical Center, Brooklyn, NY

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200407/doctors-puzzle-over-covid19-lung-problems

 

Thanks for this, it's a fascinating video.

 

Is he right on his theory? No way to know without doing a lot more research and the challenge is how do you do a rigorous study where you choose which patients not to support via different ventilator settings to test the theory A huge ethical dilemma but one worth exploring. But can I also say I highly doubt each intensivist is doing exactly the same thing i.e. they will be trying all sorts of options already - the challenge is compiling that data into something that proves an outcome beyond one individual.

 

Is he right to query to specifics of clinical management of this disease? Absolutely: it IS a new disease and there's a chance the 'usual' approach is not the best one. Again that requires research. To this guy's huge credit he's not hysterical, he's not advocating an absolute alternative or loony stuff like 5G / bio-weapon stuff.

 

On the positive side you can be sure there is no shortage of research teams looking at the pathophysiology of COVID-19, but sadly like everything else that takes time

 

P.S. DOn't read the comments on the YouTube video if you want to keep a measure of sanity.

[Dave Bryce]

...and this is precisely why we leave political discussion off the keyboard forum.

 

To the international guys who don't seem to understand why we're a bit tense over the political thing - I'm sorry. I wish it were otherwise...but the fact of the matter is that this crap has turned into a color war-like team blood sport in the US for a bunch of people, and it's really difficult to escape being exposed to it every day. I'm sorry to have edited your posts out - posts that should have been discussable, but would have (and did, in some cases) lead to political nastiness.

 

I simply can't stand it. Some people love this sort of thing. I'm just not one of them.

 

Don't get me wrong. I do not stick my head in the sand when it comes to current affairs - quite the contrary, in fact...but it simply has no place here.

 

I'm sorry to pull rank, but I do not want to watch the members of this forum go at each other over politics, and I'm the one that has to clean it up and deal with all the PM complaints and reported posts.

 

I think it's important that people feel like this is a place they can come where they don't have to deal with this political nastiness that's in our faces so much of the time every day.

 

/thread

 

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